yoshi@atlantis.cs.orst.edu
From: gt9605a@prism.gatech.EDU (Arlo James Aude)
Subject: 2-18" Altec Lansing Subwoofers FOR SALE $250
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology
Lines: 7
The headline says it all!!!!!!!!
--
Oh god I hope it works, Oh God I hope it works
Damn, I should have know that RF stood for 'Rarely Functional'
Arlo              Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
Aude              Internet: gt9605a@prism.gatech.edu
Subject: WANTED: summer sublease in Washington, DC
From: kimgh@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Gene Kim)
Distribution: na
Organization: Purdue University
Lines: 9
I'll be spending this summer in Washington, DC working in Bowie, MD.
Does anyone have a summer sublease that they'd like to unload?  I'll be
in the area from about May 7 - August 20.
Please mail me any pertinent info at (kimgh@mentor.cc.purdue.edu).
Thanks in advance,
Gene
Subject: Diamond Stealth 24 24bit SVGA for sale
From: bi927@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Yi Jin)
Reply-To: bi927@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Yi Jin)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu
Lines: 10
Brand new, still shrink wraped Stealth 24 for sale $150 plus shipping
and COD.
Specifications:
Based on S3 801/805 32bit coporcessor, 1024x768x256 72Hz Ni, 800x600x64K NI,
640x480x16million NI, system requires 386 or 486 based ISA or VESA VL-BUS,
with fast TurboWindows drivers for 3.1 and other drivers for other popular
softwares like WP, Microsoft Word,Lotus,AutoCad.
YJ
From: keith@radio.nl.nuwc.navy.mil
Subject: Tektronix 453 scope for sale
Article-I.D.: radio.621
Lines: 19
X-Received: by usenet.pa.dec.com; id AA26712; Tue, 6 Apr 93 14:51:58 -0700
X-Received: by inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com; id AA16134; Tue, 6 Apr 93 14:51:53 -0700
X-To: misc.forsale.usenet
Tektronix 453 scope for sale:
- 50MHz bandwidth
- portable (NOT one of the 5xx series boatanchors! :^)
- delayed sweep
- works fine
- I don't have the manual (they are available from various places)
- no probes
- $275 + shipping
Email me for more info...
Regards,
Keith
----
Keith Kanoun, WA2Q
kdk@radio.nl.nuwc.navy.mil
From: pchang@ic.sunysb.edu (Pong Chang)
Subject: Video Title Maker for sale
Nntp-Posting-Host: libws4.ic.sunysb.edu
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Lines: 37
Videonics Title maker System
============================
about 2 monthes old, used only once.
includes:
1) character generator model # TM-1
rez: 720x480
8000 available chars.
12 fonts
stereo sound
over a million different colors available.
20 special effects
full keyboard design
mail me for more details.
2) Thums Up Video Editor model # TU-1
marks differnent sections of tape as
"thumbs up" or "thumbs down"
so you can skip the bad parts on tape.
built-in video enhancer for copying tapes or viewing them.
automatic fader (switchable)
use in combination w/ the above unit
both units in EXCELLENT condition, comes with all docs, unregistered
warranty cards.
J&R music world sells these for $399 and $229, respectively.
i am asking $500 for both units.
email me at pchang@ic.sunysb.edu if you are interested.
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C_ommon  	pchang@ic.sunysb.edu
S_ense		State University of New York @ Stony Brook
E_ngineer
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From: tran@f18sunn.nwc.navy.mil (Tri Tran)
Subject: Info on Ultrastor HD controller wanted
Organization: NAWC
Lines: 9
Hi netters,
Does anyone know have any info on the Ultrastor line of controller?
I'm especially interested in the 14F and 34F SCSI controllers.
Please email any info ASAP.  I'm building a system and that's one
of the few conponents that is missing.  Thanks.
Tri
From: sidak_ok@lrc.edu
Subject: Box of chemicals for sale
Organization: Lenoir-Rhyne College, Hickory, NC
Lines: 7
I'm selling $388 worth of chemicals for $100 or I'll split it in two for $50
dollars apeice. Aprox. 380 1oz bottles. Will make a great chem set.
Will pay shipping up to $15. If really interested I will mail a partial list.
Please contact by e-mail only
Omar
From: yb025@uafhp..uark.edu (John Schiefer)
Subject: engagement ring give up
Summary: Beautiful 14k gold band with a .33 carat diamond.  very clean.
Keywords: holmes
Article-I.D.: moe.1psvhj$gp5
Organization: Kansas State University
Lines: 3
NNTP-Posting-Host: uafhp.uark.edu
Diamond engagement ring.  14k gold band.  33point  diamond.  appraised at
1900 dollars.  Will sell for 600 dollars. Appraisal available upon request.
send e-mail to yb025@uafhp.uark.edu
From: pchang@ic.sunysb.edu (Pong Chang)
Subject: Re: For Sale: Quicken 3.0 for the PC
Keywords: Accounting, Checking, Quicken
Nntp-Posting-Host: libws4.ic.sunysb.edu
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Lines: 18
In article <1pma84$hpk@suntan.ec.usf.edu> boneham@sunburn.ec.usf.edu. (Kevin Boneham (CH)) writes:
>In article <1pgvp1INN5ej@phakt.usc.edu> khoh@usc.edu (Oliver Muoto) writes:
>>I have for sale Quicken 3.0 (PC Version) that allows you to balance
>                         ^^^
>i assume you get new releases earlier than we do here? last i saw, version
>2.0 was the latest.
He is probably referring to the DOS version.. the dos versions is up
to like version 6 i think.  The window version just came out recently
so it is only up to like version 2 or something.
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C_ommon  	pchang@ic.sunysb.edu
S_ense		State University of New York @ Stony Brook
E_ngineer
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From: pchang@ic.sunysb.edu (Pong Chang)
Subject: Re: Computer Parts/Camcorder
Nntp-Posting-Host: libws4.ic.sunysb.edu
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Lines: 21
In article <C4z2CF.2n6@cscns.com> zardox@cscns.com (Randie O'Neal) writes:
>
>: 5.25" 1.2MB and 3.5" 1.44 Drives...new... planned on building machine, but
>: ran out of funds... $30.00 each drive
>
>Carl,
>What Brand of drives are these? Do you have documentation?
>I'll go $40.00 + shipping if you have documentation...
do not pay $40 for floppy drives.. they are about $40 new.
also, you do not need documentation for floppies. installation
for these things are idiot proof.
just some advice..
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C_ommon  	pchang@ic.sunysb.edu
S_ense		State University of New York @ Stony Brook
E_ngineer
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From: pchang@ic.sunysb.edu (Pong Chang)
Subject: Re: Microsoft DOS 6.0 Upgrade for sale
Nntp-Posting-Host: libws4.ic.sunysb.edu
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Lines: 36
In article <hatton.733706165@cgl.ucsf.edu> hatton@socrates.ucsf.edu (Tom Hatton) writes:
>adn6285@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>>In article <1pctnfINN6dp@eve.usc.edu>, yuanchie@eve.usc.edu (Yuan-Chieh Hsu) writes:
>>>	MS DOS 6.0 Upgrade for sale	best offer over $45
>>>	(opened, unregistered)
>
>>So, does anyone care to enlighten us whether DOS6.0 is worth upgrading to?
>>How good is it's compression, and can it be turned on/off at will?
>>Any other nice/nasty features?
>
>According to reports, if you don't have DOS yet, and don't have any
>utilities (QEMM, Stacker, PCTools, Norton, ...) then DOS6 may be worth it.
>
>For people who have DOS5, and some sort of utility, DOS6 doesn't offer
>much. You'd never know it from the usual hype that marketing is able
>to create, however. :-)
i installed dos 6 last week, and had nothing but trouble afterwards.
windows apps are hitting protection faults more than a kid can do
to a pinata, and it does not seem to like to work with NDOS (norton
dos 7.0).  other probs include:
set pcplus=d:\pcplus for procomm plus no longer works.
many of the little utilities to written for dos no longer works
either. (mostly shareware)
i now have uninstalled dos 6 , and dos 5 works just fine.
are there any apps that dos 6 will be able to run that dos 5 wont?
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C_ommon  	pchang@ic.sunysb.edu
S_ense		State University of New York @ Stony Brook
E_ngineer
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From: yb025@uafhp..uark.edu (John Schiefer)
Subject: Food coupons
Summary: Deal of century
Keywords: holmes
Article-I.D.: moe.1pt03p$h08
Organization: Kansas State University
Lines: 12
NNTP-Posting-Host: uafhp.uark.edu
Looking to save money?  I am your man.  I will mail you
$5 in food coupons for only$2.50.  Or you will get twice the dollar amount
of coupons.  So mail $15 and get $30 dollars in coupons. Sounds like a great
deal well it is.  Send SASE to 766 S.Elizabeth St. Salt Lake City, Utah 84102
enclose money in form of a money order.  Personally, I would not trust a person
to send coupons after money is sent.  Well, let me earn your trust.  Send
$1 dollar, and I'll send you your $2 in store coupons.
Then we'll talk more
e-mail enquiries to yb025@uafhp.uark.edu
Thank you,
John Schiefer
From: gsfever@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Brent Kirkwood)
Subject: Casio Digital Diary
Nntp-Posting-Host: okcforum.osrhe.edu
Organization: Okcforum Unix Users Group
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]
Lines: 15
For Sale : Casio Digital Diary Electronic Organizer (SF-4000)
32k RAM
will hold approxmiately 1500 names/phone numbers
Big 6 line display
200 Year Visible Calendar
Schedule Function
Memo Bank
Telephone Name, Number, Address Storage
Calculator
Compact folding design fits in your pocket
The above for $25.  It was originally purchased for over $100.  Mail to
gsfever@okcforum.osrhe.edu if interested.  Price does not include shipping.
From: ttesta@kali.enet.dec.com (Tom Testagrossa)
Subject: Re: psychnet
Reply-To: ttesta@kali.enet.dec.com (Tom Testagrossa)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Maynard, Ma.
Lines: 33
--In article <1pfg45INNk23@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca>, okabe@unixg.ubc.ca (Ian Okabe) writes:
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*    //////                                ----------------------
*   //   //  "Electronic Networking For   /   PsychNet.Com      /
*  //////    "Professional Psychology."  /Serving Psychologists/
* // sychNet     (1-800-541-2598)       /  World Wide         /
*//                                    -----------------------
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>Whats with this psychnet thing...its on just about everyones's
>posting no matter where they post from. Its getting very annoying.
>--
>Ian T. Okabe (okabe@unixg.ubc.ca)
>Atmospheric Sciences, University of British Columbia, Vancouver, Canada
It's an experiment, place a not so subliminal, slightly
cagey message in front of a viewer and see how long it takes to create a response, and what was the response...
It was the same thing with the "Blow me" message, only it had a
quicker response time...and some unexpected responses along with the
expectedly negative ones...
Anyone see how long that took?
Yours, in jest...
Tom T
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* Tom Testagrossa -             E-MAIL:  ttesta@kali.enet.dec.com     *
*                               US-mail: 132 Clarendon St Apt #2      *
*                                        Fitchburg, Ma 01420 U.S.A.   *
*                               Phone:  Work (508)493-0437 (Voicemail)*
*                                       Home (508)342-2362            *
* Ask me about my guitars...                                          *
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From: holmertz@ike.navo.navy.mil (Steve Holmertz)
Subject: Parametric EQ (Car)
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-23809]: ike.navo.navy.mil
Keywords: EQ Audio Stereo
Organization: Naval Oceanographic Office
Lines: 16
HiFonics "Ceres" 3-Band Parametric Equalizer
Specs:	3-Bands: 1. 40-640Hz; 2. 100Hz-3KHz; 3. 500Hz-16KHz
Boost/Cut: +/-20db
THD: Less than 0.02%
Size(WxHxD): 190mmx53mmx120mm
This EQ has three variable bands as indicated above with
variable Q. It also has a subwoofer output with variable
cutoff frequency. I originally paid $129 for the unit and
used it for 3 months before selling the car. It is in
excellent condition with all the wiring and hardware intact
and manual in original box. Asking price: $75
holmertz@pops.navo.navy.mil
From: sbrogii@copernicus.Tymnet.COM (Scott Brogley)
Subject: dodge wagon for sale
Summary: 1964 Dodge Dart V8 wagon $300/negotiable
Keywords: 1964 Dodge Dart wagon 273ci v8 sale 300 $ for california cal CAL Bay Area bay area Cal
Article-I.D.: tymix.3647
Organization: 2M&I
Lines: 20
Nntp-Posting-Host: copernicus
To: Dodge Dart collectors
I have a 1964 Dodge (25th anniversary) Dart 273ci V8 wagon to turn into cash.
My asking price is $300.00 although we can negotiate.  The car currently
resides in Union City, California.  Thats on the east side of the San Francisco
Bay Area in the state of California of the United states of America on the
continent of North America of the planet Earth, third planetary body out from
Sol, a mid range yellowish star in the Western Spiral Arm of the Milkyway
Galaxy.
toowhit: north of Silicon Valley
if interested pleas contact Scott by the following means:
internet                sbrogii@tymnet.com
home answering machine  510.489.6165
business voice mail     408.922.6547
loud yell & wave money out the window
^(not recommended in downtown urban environment)
ps. I also have a `72 BMW r60/5 for sale, $700.00.
From: konrad@intacc.uucp (Konrad Skreta)
Subject: Macintosh II cx for sale
Distribution: tor
Expires: 01 May 93
Reply-To: konrad@intacc.UUCP (Konrad Skreta)
Organization: Matrix Artists' Network
Lines: 5
Macintosh II cx with 40 MB HD, 8 MB RAM and 19" monochrome
monitor (Ikegami) is for sale.
Asking $3,000, no reasonable (best) offer will be rejected.
Contact Konrad at (416) 365-0564m Mon-Frii 9-5.
From: barsz@bnr.ca (Peter Barszczewski)
Subject: For Sale: TR-606 and Mirage Rack Mount Sampler
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Lines: 23
For Sale:
Roland TR-606 Drum Machine
Near Mint Condition (no scratches, fully operational).
Sorry no Manuals.
Asking $200 US + shipping
Mirage Rack Mount Sampler
Minor Scratches around rack ear screws
with Advanced Sampling Option, 32 Disks
and both manuals
It's a long story, but I *may* have the Turtle Beach Vision, sample
editing software for the IBM PC.
Asking $400 US + shipping
Send all e-mail requests to:  barsz@bnr.ca
Regards,
--
Peter A. Barszczewski         (      *
(barsz@bnr.ca)                 )    ~|~  spirituality through technology.
Bell-Northern Research, Ltd.  (      |
Montreal, Canada               )
From: akachhy@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (avinash.kachhy)
Subject: MS Excel SDK for Sale
Organization: SELF
Distribution: usa
Lines: 21
I have the following for sale.
Absolutely new, I won it at a raffle and have no use for it.
Microsoft Excel Software Development Kit
Version 4 for MS WIndows and the Apple Macintosh
Contains
- a 498 page book by Microsoft Press
- 2 3.5" floppy disks containing software/sample code
- a poster of the api calls etc.
Orig. price is US$ 49.95.
I would like to sell it for the highest offer over $30 + shipping.
Please email reply to attmail!akachhy
Thanks
Avinash Kachhy
From: fuzzy@hardy.u.washington.edu (Peifeng Xu)
Subject: Answering Machine Phone
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Lines: 17
Distribution: pnw
Reply-To: fuzzy@u.washington.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu
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PANASONIC PHONE WITH ANSWERING MACHINE
- LOOKS LIKE A BRAND NEW
- ALL BASIC ANSWERING MACHINE FUNCTION
- 8 PHONE NUMBER MEMORY + RECALL FUNCTION
- 1 YEAR OLD
ASKING FOR $45.00
Interest? Please call me at 206-720-1089
--- Alex Choe
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From: DMCOLES@NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU
Subject: Chicago area roommate needed (Evanston)
Nntp-Posting-Host: nuacvm.acns.nwu.edu
Organization: Northwestern University
Lines: 21
Non-smoking roommate needed
to sublet
1BR in 2BR carpeted apt.
in Evanston, IL
near the Dempster el stop
parking is available
Rent is $322.50/mo. + 1/2 utils.
avail. May 1 - beg./end Aug.
(entire apt. available Sept. 1)
Roommate is 26 years-old, vegetarian,
non-smoking female who works at
Northwestern
No neat freaks please!
Call Denise (708) 491-7603 (w)
(708) 869-8307 (H)
dc@nwu.edu
From: Craig.Landgraf@f88.n106.z1.fidonet.org (Craig Landgraf)
Subject: NEW CD-DISK'S
Lines: 26
For CD-Disk USERS
----------------------
This is NOT a COMMERCIAL AD!
I have alot of NEW CD-Disks
If You have a CDROM and are interested in purchasing
some of these disks Please download the list mentioned below:
CD NIGHT OWL'S V8.0 $35.00
Download the File---->  CDROMCAT.ZIP
or the Freq the MAGIC NAME of---->    CATALOG
-----------------------------------------------------------
Craig landgraf  Buckwheats Pleasure Dome 713-855-1701
INTERnet/USENET: landgraf@p2.f88.n106.z1.fidonet.org
-----------------------------------------------------------
PODNET 93:9008/5 FIDONET 1:106/88.1 ITCNET  85:841/803 KINKNET 69:1700/3
SGANET 30:301/0
BBS Number (713) 855-1701
P.S. If you send me Email with Your Home Address I will mail you a list
to your house.......The list is 12 pages long...this is if you do not
have a Computer that you can call and get the List faster.....
From: smj@sdf.lonestar.org (Stephen M. Jones)
Subject: Forsale: Drum things.. CHEAP!
Organization: Super Dimension Fortress - Public Access Unix - Dallas, Tx..
Lines: 22
North heavy Duty hi hat stand $45
older stand... but definately in working shape.. could
use a little clean up.  comes with clutch and felts, etc..
Pearl bass drum pedal with felt beater $20
honer cymbal stand $15 (needs some work on cymbal stem)
Zildjian 20" Ride cymbal  $55
main line zildjian... older ride cymbal
Ludwig snare stand $10
okay snare stand.. NOT like a remo though ;)
shipping extra.. please email
--
Stephen M. Jones <=> sdf.system.administrator
smj@sdf.lonestar.org  <Cs&E>
From: cliff@engin.umich.edu (clifford  kaminsky)
Subject: Monitor, add on card, Apple IIe computer
Keywords: monitor I/O Apple computer
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Lines: 30
I need to sell the following items:
an Apple IIe computer
includes:
300 baud modem
80 columns
Zenith green monitor
tons of software and manuals
controller & I/O card
a Western Digital WDAT-440
includes:
Winchester controller
Floppy controller
2 serial ports
parallel port
No docs, but jumper settings are printed on the card.
An AAMAZING  1024x768 .28 dot pitch SVGA monitor
interlaced 14" unlimited colors
includes:
Documentation
power cord and connecting cable
Must sell these items by May 4.  Make me an offer on any of them.
-Cliff Kaminsky
cliff@engin.umich.edu
From: kpeterso@nyx.cs.du.edu (Kirk Peterson)
Subject: Hewlett Packard DeskJet 500 inkjet printer for sale...
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Lines: 43
For Sale ...:
Hewlett Packard DeskJet 500 inkjet printer.
o Perfect condition both internally and externally
o Comes with two FULL ink cartridges
o Less than six months old
o Comes with all original packaging, manuals, cables
and software
This is truly an excellent printer and is the low-cost
alternative to a laser printer.  It prints with the
quality of a laser printer, but for a fraction of both
the inital cost and he long term cost (that is,
replacement of ink cartridges as opposed to replacement
of toner).  The printer prints at a maximum of 300*300
(D)ots (P)er (I)nch (D.P.I.) on many different types
and sizes of paper, including envelopes and
transperencies.  Printer prints in both landscape and
portrait modes.  Printer can accept up to two
cartridges giving it things like more memory or
additional fonts.  Printer works excellently with
Windows and DOS and brings TrueType to its full
potential.
I originally purchased the printer for $375.00.  Make me
an offer, but I would prefer to stay in the $300.00
range.  I will pay the shipping to anywhere in the
continental U.S.A.
If you are interested, please either leave me email or
call Kirk Peterson at (303) 494-7951 anytime.
Thanks!
P.S. The printer will work with any computer that
can accept a standard parallel or serial
connection.  (That is, IBM, Amiga, etc.)
From: reidg@pacs.pha.pa.us ( Reid Goldsborough)
Subject: Word processing utilities for sale
Keywords: software
Distribution: na
Organization: Philadelphia Area Computer Society
Lines: 60
These word processing utilities all include complete printed
manuals and registration cards. I need to get rid of some excess.
They're the latest versions. I've priced these programs at less
than half the list price and significantly less than the cheapest
mail-order price around.
* GRAMMATIK 5 FOR WINDOWS, top-rated grammar checker, helps
you improve your writing by correcting grammar and usage
mistakes, now owned by WordPerfect, list $99, sale $45.
* GRAMMATIK 5 FOR DOS, top-rated grammar checker, helps you
improve your writing by correcting grammar and usage
mistakes, now owned by WordPerfect, list $99, sale $45.
* CORRECT GRAMMAR FOR WINDOWS 2.0, top-notch grammar
checker, from WordStar, list $119, sale $45.
* CORRECT GRAMMAR FOR DOS 4.0, top-notch grammar checker,
from WordStar, list $99, sale $40.
* CORRECT WRITING 1.0 FOR WINDOWS, online writing manual
from WordStar with tips about correct use of punctuation,
capitalization, compound words, numerals, bibliographies,
footnotes, and more, list $59, sale $25.
* RANDOM HOUSE WEBSTER'S ELECTRONIC DICTIONARY & THESAURUS
FOR WINDOWS 1.0, unlike spell checkers provides online
definitions when you're not sure of a word's meaning, also
has larger thesaurus than most word processors for finding
just the right word, list $119, sale $55.
* RANDOM HOUSE WEBSTER'S ELECTRONIC DICTIONARY & THESAURUS
FOR DOS 1.2, same functionality as Windows version, list
$119, sale $55.
* WORD FINDER PLUS FOR WINDOWS 1.0, huge online thesaurus
with more than one million synonyms, list $59, sale $25.
* RANDOM HOUSE ENCYCLOPEDIA FOR DOS 1.02, online encyclopedia
that you can use without needing a CD-ROM drive, easier to
use and less expensive than a book-based encyclopedia, takes
5.5 MB of hard disk space, list $119, sale $55.
* HEADLINER 1.5, DOS-based database of great advertising and
other headlines, proverbs, idioms, song titles, movie titles,
and so on, great for advertising copywriters, newspaper
editors, and, others trying to come up with catchy phrases,
list $195, sale $90.
* WRITER'S TOOLKIT FOR WINDOWS 2.0, amazing collection of
seven different word processing utilities in one package,
includes encyclopedia, great quotations, dictionary of
abbreviations, dictionary with definitions, thesaurus, usage
guide, and grammar checker, list $129, sale $65.
If you're interested in any of these programs, please phone me at
215-885-7446 (Philadelphia), and I'll save the package for you.
--
Reid Goldsborough
reidg@pacs.pha.pa.us
From: reidg@pacs.pha.pa.us ( Reid Goldsborough)
Subject: Utilities for sale
Keywords: software
Distribution: na
Organization: Philadelphia Area Computer Society
Lines: 28
These utilities all include complete printed manuals and
registration cards. I need to get rid of some excess.
They're the latest versions. I've priced these programs
at less than half the list price and significantly less
than the cheapest mail-order price around.
* PC TOOLS FOR DOS 8.0, best-selling utilities collections,
includes DOS shell, antivirus program, backup program,
disk defragger, memory optimizer, remote communications
link, data protection and recovery utilities, appointment
book, address book, and more, list $179, sale $80.
* NORTON BACKUP FOR DOS 2.2, supports DOS 6, tape backup
systems, and LANS, twice as fast as backup in DOS 6, highly
automated and customizable, list $149, sale $65.
* QAPLUS 4.7, top-rated DOS based systems diagnostics
program, more comprehensive than anything included in DOS,
Windows, or utilities collections, invaluable for determining
sources of problems with RAM, video, drives, ports, keyboard,
motherboard, joystick, mouse, speaker, and so on, list $159,
sale $70.
If you're interested in any of these programs, please phone me at
215-885-7446 (Philadelphia), and I'll save the package for you.
--
Reid Goldsborough
reidg@pacs.pha.pa.us
From: reidg@pacs.pha.pa.us ( Reid Goldsborough)
Subject: OS/2 etc. for sale
Keywords: software
Distribution: na
Organization: Philadelphia Area Computer Society
Lines: 20
These packages all include complete printed manuals and
registration cards. I need to get rid of some excess.
They're the latest versions. I've priced these programs
at less than half the list price and significantly less
than the cheapest mail-order price around.
* OS/2 2.0, can run Windows, DOS, and OS/2 programs,
superior stability compared to Windows, list $169, sale
$60.
* NORTON COMMANDER FOR OS/2, provides better file
management than OS/2 does alone, graphical tree and file
list, drag and drop, launch apps from customizable menu,
list $149, sale $60.
If you're interested in any of these programs, please phone me at
215-885-7446 (Philadelphia) and I'll save the package for you.
--
Reid Goldsborough
reidg@pacs.pha.pa.us
From: reidg@pacs.pha.pa.us ( Reid Goldsborough)
Subject: New software for sale
Keywords: software
Distribution: na
Organization: Philadelphia Area Computer Society
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These programs all include complete printed manuals and
registration cards. I need to get rid of some excess.
They're the latest versions. I've priced these programs
at less than half the list price and significantly less
than the cheapest mail-order price around.
* MICROSOFT ENTERTAINMENT PACK VOLUME ONE, includes eight
different Windows-based games, including Tetris, Taipei,
Minesweeper, TicTactics, Golf, Cruel, Pegged, and IdleWild,
list $49, sale $20.
* JUST JOKING FOR WINDOWS 1.0, database of jokes from
WordStar, can quickly find jokes for many different
occasions, useful for business writers, speechwriters,
presenters, and others, more than 2,800 jokes under 250
topics, can search by keyword and author, list $49, sale
$25.
* HUMOR PROCESSOR 2.02, DOS-based database of jokes,
requires only 384 KB of RAM, along with thousands of
categorized jokes you can quickly find also includes an
online tutorial for writing your own jokes with proven
comedy forumulas, list $99, sale $45.
* HISTORY OF THE WORLD 1.0, multimedia CD-ROM covering cave
society to the present, includes recordings of 25 famous
speeches from Churchhill, Gandi, and others, list $795, sale
$160.
If you're interested in any of these programs, please phone me at
215-885-7446 (Philadelphia) and I'll save the package for you.
--
Reid Goldsborough
reidg@pacs.pha.pa.us
From: smb@col.hp.com (Sam Bauer)
Subject: >>For Sale: Waxworks
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division
Lines: 67
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpctdib.col.hp.com
********************[ PC Game For Sale ]******************
Waxworks by Horrorsoft/Accolade (5.25")		   $30
By the same folks who brought you Elvira I & II.  I played
Elvira I & II, and think that Horrorsoft has finally made
a very playable game with Waxworks.  The look and feel is
roughly the same as in the Elvira games, though the real time
fighting is a little easier to survive.  The first two games,
especially Elvira II: Jaws of Cerberus made it very tough to
stay alive and hit-point restoring was very difficult.  This
is not to say that Waxworks is a walk in the park, but it is
quite fair, in that there is always some weapon to be found
that is quite effective, or hint given as to the proper fighting
strategy.  In one of the four wax works to be explored, there is
no fighting at all (well almost none), though all four contain
moderately challanging puzzles.
The really interesting thing about this game is that it is really
broken up into four seperate RPGs, one for each of the four exhibits
you must enter.  In starting each one, your character is transported
with no objects to use, and experience level 1.  One exhibits traps
you inside a multi-level ancient Egyptian pyramid which you must
escape by fighting, mapping and puzzle solving.  Another exhibit
traps you in a mine that has been taken over by creeping plant vines
and pods, while the local humans have been transformed into plant
zombies.  This is a single level maze that requires you to rescue
some humans, kill the head plant alien, and figuere out how to kill
the very tuff plant zombies that are always showing up.  This is
perhaps the most horrifying exhibit.  Another exhibit puts you into
Jack The Ripper England where you appear by the corpse of a fresh Ripper
victim, and of course the police think you are responsible.  You must
avoid police and angry mobs to unravel the mystery of The Ripper and
meet him face to face - but first get a disquise.  The last exhibit
pus you in a graveyard where most of the challenge is in learning to
stop the almost indestructible zombies.
Over all the VGA graphics and music are very effective in setting a
creepy tone for the game, as was the case for the Elvira games, though
gameplay is much improved and makes for a much more enjoyable game.
I heartily recommend it for RPG and Horror fans.
*********************************************************
- All prices include shipping.
- All games are in excellent condition unless otherwise stated.
- US buyers only please.
- All games will be shipped inside a box with packing, insured,
priority USPS.
- All games include all original materials including box, manual,
disks, and registration unless otherwise noted.
The first responder offering asking price is guarenteed to
get the game.  Those just asking questions get no priority until
they offer to buy the game.  Lower offers may be considered
assuming no other offers at asking price are made.
**********************************************************
--
Sam Bauer	|	Hewlett Packard Co.,
(719)-531-4460	|	Network Test Division
smb@col.hp.com  |       Colorado Springs,CO
From: murli@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu ( murli ramakrishnan ISE )
Subject: Zeos daughterboard of Upgradeable 386/25 for sale/trade
Organization: College of Engg. & Tech., Ohio University, Athens, Ohio
Lines: 15
Hi folks,
I have a 386/25 daughter board for Zeos, which I want to upgrade to
486/25 or 33.
So send me mail with you offer if you are
1. Selling 486/25 or 486/33 (zeos daughterboard)
2. Willing to buy my 386/25 (zeos daughterboard)
Thanks..
Murli
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________________________________________________________________
Murli Ram                    murli@cubix.ent.ohiou.edu(NeXT Mail)
Ohio University              murli@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
Athens__________________________________________________________
From: mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson)
Subject: Re: Metal powder,steel,iron.
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Lines: 4
I just love these posts from the ex-Soviet Union.  Among the cars, dinette
sets, video cameras, etc. every now and then an ad pops up for bee venom,
RED OXIDE OF MERCURY, cobalt (100 tons minimum order), etc.  Don't they
have garage sales in Russia?   :-)
From: spooge@carson.u.washington.edu (Jeff Barrett)
Subject: Printer Paper Tray
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Lines: 5
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu
I have a Hewlett-Packard LaserJet Series II Paper Tray for sale.
Its letter size (8.5 - 11), brand new in the box and never used.
I'm asking $40.00 (bought new at Ballard Computer for $65.95)
please reply to Jeffo at spooge@u.washington.edu or (206)543-0340
From: fierro@uts.amdahl.com (Doug Fierro)
Subject: Squaw lift tickets available for $32 each
Distribution: ba
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA
Lines: 14
POSTING FOR A FRIEND- I do not have these tickets.
Interested parties can call John at (408) 522-1904 for more
information.  There are three lift tickets and they are good
for anytime this season at Squaw Valley ski resort.
--
Doug Fierro
|\             UTS System Software
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\_.______________________| * * * * * * * * */      fierro@uts.amdahl.com
__\____                   |=================/       (408)746-7102
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From: robm@ataraxia.Berkeley.EDU (Rob McNicholas)
Subject: FOR SALE: 1984 Toyota Pickup - $2800
Organization: Technical and Computing Services, U.C. Berkeley, Berkeley, CA
Lines: 26
Distribution: ca
NNTP-Posting-Host: ataraxia.berkeley.edu
PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND DIRECTLY TO THIS ACCOUNT
FOR SALE:
Blue 1984 Toyota pickup truck with white blazer topper, AM/FM/Casette,
A/C, cruise control.  Great for camping trips.
New: brakes, master brake cylinder, Michelin tires, shocks,
maintenance free battery, clutch, windshield wipers.
Well maintained with all Toyota parts (all repairs done at the
dealers.)  Very little rust, body in good shape.
126K miles
Asking $2800.  If interested, please contact:
Ursula Fritsch
umf@gene.com
(415)-347-6813
PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND DIRECTLY TO THIS ACCOUNT
--
Rob McNicholas		  Technical & Computing Services, EE/CS, U.C. Berkeley
robm@eecs.berkeley.edu	  Voice: 510/642-8633  FAX: 510/643-7846
From: sidak_ok@lrc.edu
Subject: CHEMICALS FOR SALE
Organization: Lenoir-Rhyne College, Hickory, NC
Lines: 6
The chemicals are gone Thanks for all the response
Omar
From: cozzlab@garnet.berkeley.edu ()
Subject: Re: Printing
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Lines: 28
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu
In article <1993Apr15.053905.16811@sarah.albany.edu> me9574@albnyvms.bitnet writes:
[advertises his printing business]
Oh, dear.  Let me be the first on my block.
You have just violated one of the major shibboleths of the Usenet groups:
you're not supposed to use a newsgroup to plug your own commercial
enterprise (of _any_ kind; people frequently get flamed for announcing
they've got a new book out.)
I don't know whether this is an official Usenet rule or just a long-
standing custom, and it doesn't make much difference from a practical
point of view.
So please don't do it again.
And all you others, who are even now taking keyboard in hand to flame
him off the face of the earth--lay off.  He didn't know any better.
He does now.
Dorothy J. Heydt
UC Berkeley
cozzlab@garnet.berkeley.edu
Disclaimer:  UCB and the Cozzarelli lab are not responsible for my
opinions, and in fact I don't think they know I have any.
From: andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman)
Subject: Re: Catalog of Hard-to-Find PC Enhancements (Repost)
Organization: Computer Science Department,  Stanford University.
Lines: 33
>andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) writes:
>> >In article <C5ELME.4z4@unix.portal.com> jdoll@shell.portal.com (Joe Doll) wr
>> >>   "The Catalog of Personal Computing Tools for Engineers and Scien-
>> >>   tists" lists hardware cards and application software packages for
>> >>   PC/XT/AT/PS/2 class machines.  Focus is on engineering and scien-
>> >>   tific applications of PCs, such as data acquisition/control,
>> >>   design automation, and data analysis and presentation.
>> >
>> >>   If you would like a free copy, reply with your (U. S. Postal)
>> >>   mailing address.
>>
>> Don't bother - it never comes.  It's a cheap trick for building a
>> mailing list to sell if my junk mail flow is any indication.
>>
>> -andy sent his address months ago
>
>Perhaps we can get Portal to nuke this weasal.  I never received a
>catalog either.  If that person doesn't respond to a growing flame, then
>we can assume that we'yall look forward to lotsa junk mail.
I don't want him nuked, I want him to be honest.  The junk mail has
been much more interesting than the promised catalog.  If I'd known
what I was going to get, I wouldn't have hesitated.  I wouldn't be
surprised if there were other folks who looked at the ad and said
"nope" but who would be very interested in the junk mail that results.
Similarly, there are people who wanted the advertised catalog who
aren't happy with the junk they got instead.
The folks buying the mailing lists would prefer an honest ad, and
so would the people reading it.
-andy
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From: tomcat@leland.Stanford.EDU (tom spearman)
Subject: ATTENTION:  ALL NEO-GEO OWNERS READ THIS!
Keywords: neo-geo
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Lines: 25
Hello Neo-Geo owners (and non-owners who couldn't resist the title;)),
I was wondering if any of you out there want to trade or sell games.  I
mean, buying them from the stores can get kinda expensive.  $184.99 is
a little too much to be spending on each game.  But ahh, the quality...
Now I can get them for about $100, but that's still a lot.
Right now, I have:
Crossed Swords
Magician Lord
Baseball Stars 2
Fatal Fury
Nam-1975
I am interested in buying more titles.  If any of you have any interesting
trade ideas, please let me know.
Thanks
Tom
tomcat@leland.stanford.edu
From: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com (Dave Medin)
Subject: Pressure meter
Reply-To: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville AL
Lines: 21
Heise model 710A pressure meter. This is a precision 4-1/2
digit meter measuring 0 - 15 PSI (absolute) in .001 psi
increments.  Case is in extremely good shape, and can be used
as a stand-alone meter or panel mounted. Brass fitting (looks
like standard 3/8") on back. Operates from 110 VAC.
I'd like $50 for it, or make an offer. It is a lot more useful to
a lab than as an ersatz barometer, which is what I've been using
it for.
--
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Dave Medin			Phone:	(205) 730-3169 (w)
SSD--Networking				(205) 837-1174 (h)
Intergraph Corp.
M/S GD3004 		Internet: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com
Huntsville, AL 35894		UUCP:  ...uunet!ingr!b30!catbyte!dtmedin
******* Everywhere You Look (at least around my office) *******
* The opinions expressed here are mine (or those of my machine)
From: chenmin@sage.cc.purdue.edu (zhang chenmin)
Subject: Cheap airline ticket to L.A. wanted
Keywords: airline, ticket, wanted
Organization: Purdue University
Distribution: usa
Lines: 7
Cheap airline ticket to L.A. on April. 21 (tuesday) from Indi. or
Chicago and return about in 10 - 14 days wanted.
Please phone (317) - 743 - 6985 or mail to
chenmin@sage.cc.purdue.edu
From: jaredjma@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jared J. Martin)
Subject: Mother Board for sale
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Lines: 16
FOR SALE:
486 DX/33 Motherboard for sale.  Excellent condition...less than
one year old.  64K cache, expandable to 256K.  RAM expandable to 32MB.
AMI BIOS.  Need to sell...upgrading.
Asking:  $600.00 (neg.)
CONTACT:  Jared Martin at 49-54566 or
email at jaredjma@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
From: Rich.Rubel@launchpad.unc.edu (Rich Rubel)
Subject: Shawnee-on-Delaware (Poconos, PA) timeshare week for sale
Nntp-Posting-Host: lambada.oit.unc.edu
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Distribution: usa
Lines: 15
Second week of January (prime ski season at one of the largest Poconos ski
areas).  Just north of Allentown.
Condo sleeps 6-8 depending on how friendly you all are.  Has hot tub,
deck.  Easy access to parking lot and shuttle to slopes (condo is a few
miles from the slopes).
Cost: $6000 OBRO, price based on what we paid for it (used, also) and
current market.
[RICHR]
--
The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of
North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
internet:  laUNChpad.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center
From: <U34815@uicvm.uic.edu>
Subject: WANTED:Tablehockey Games
Lines: 16
Hello,
I am looking for the Coleco Tablehockey games that were popular
in the 70's.  The games that I seek have straight slots for the
defenseman, not the S shaped slots.  The players are attatched to
rods operated with springs.  If you have a game(or games) that
you would be willing to part with, please send me an e-mail
message at U34815@uicvm.uic.edu.  Price is negotiable and
I would also cover shipping if you are out of state.  I am
part of a league that plays on a regular basis, the CTHL (The
Chicago Table Hockey League), and need a game to practice on.
Also, the league itself is always interested in purchasing
games to expand itself.
Thank You,
Ken Harris.
equipment to expand it's size.
From: broder@src.dec.com (Andrei Broder)
Subject: Re: Squaw lift tickets available for $32 each
Reply-To: broder@src.dec.com
Organization: DEC Systems Research Center
Distribution: ba
Lines: 9
Tickets midweek are now down to $34.  They will be $25 starting last
week in April, or maybe first week in May.  By the way, the current
conditions (was there Apr 12-13) are great for spring skiing, with
excellent coverage, most stuff open, and no lift lines.
- Andrei
From: fozzard@fsl.noaa.gov (Richard Fozzard)
Subject: BMW 530i for sale
Organization: NOAA/CIRES (Univ Colo)
Distribution: co
Lines: 33
1976 BMW 530i
The original four door sports sedan
Arctic Blue metallic with gold alloy plus-1 wheels (Rial 15")
Goodyear Eagle GT+4 racing tires (mud/snow-rated)
3.0 liter, 186 HP, fuel injected engine w/Stahl headers
adjustable gas shocks all around (Koni,BYK)
4 speed stick, 4 wheel power disc brakes, sunroof, PS, AC
Listen-Up installed hidden speaker stereo w/subwoofer
208K miles (yet much better condition than most cars w/100K)
Meticulously maintained: all records, 3K mi oil changes
Faded paint on top, otherwise excellent exterior and interior.
The car has required no major repair work in the more than ten years I have
owned it. It has never failed to start or broken down, even in the coldest
weather. This has been an extraordinarily reliable and economical car, and
shows every sign of staying that way. Yet it is an absolute thrill to drive
when you take it to secluded twisty mountain road! I sell it now,
reluctantly, since I just succumbed to the convertible craving and bought a
new Miata.
$2500 obo
Rich Fozzard	497-6011 or 444-3168
========================================================================
Richard Fozzard                                 "Serendipity empowers"
Univ of Colorado/CIRES/NOAA     R/E/FS  325 Broadway, Boulder, CO 80303
fozzard@fsl.noaa.gov                          (303)497-6011 or 444-3168
From: moy@cae.wisc.edu (Howard Moy)
Subject: Madison WI summer sublet
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Distribution: uwix
Lines: 35
Downtown FURNISHED Summer Sublet
May 15 thru Aug 15
Great location at:
215 N. Frances St.
& Johnson St. (Across Witte)
Near Nitty Gritty & Near Howard Johnson
Near State Street & Near South East Dorms
Near University Square & Near SERF
Two bedroom
Your own spacious room
(the larger!)
Laundry available
Parking available
Bathroom
Kitchen
Large Closet
Dual Desks
Just pay for electricity (~$7/month)
Asking $500 for whole summer!
Send inquiries to:
Howard
608-255-6379
moy@cae.wisc.edu
--
-Howard
_________________________________________________________
!                    Howard Moy				!
!                  (608) 255-6379			!
From: hsb@philabs.philips.com (Hemant S. Betrabet)
Subject: Moving Sale
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff Manor, NY.
Distribution: ny
Lines: 9
For Sale
Dining Table (wooden) with 6 chairs  $ 125
Dining Table Scandinavian style $ 30
Steel Desk - free
If interested, please call Hemant Betrabet 6431
From: aboyko@dixie.com (Andrew boyko)
Subject: Sega Genesis for sale w/Sonic 1/2
Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access.  The Mouth of the South.
Lines: 8
4 month old Sega Genesis, barely used, one controller, in original
box, with Sonics 1 and 2.  $130 gets the whole bundle shipped to you.
Turns out they're not as addictive when they're yours.  Anyway, mail me if
you're interested in this marvel of modern technology.
---
Andrew Boyko              aboyko@dixie.com
From: ecsd@well.sf.ca.us (Eric C. S. Dynamic)
Subject: KAWAI K-4 way el cheapo - buy or be sorry, etc. etc.
Nntp-Posting-Host: well.sf.ca.us
Organization: The Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link, Sausalito, CA
Distribution: ba
Lines: 10
Gotta pay my WELL bill - eating is of mere passing interest in
comparison.
KAWAI K-4 Synthesizer for $400 IF YOU ACT NOW - cash only pleeze,
take delivery in Berkeley. CALL (510) 287-5737 and leave name
and number for me to call back and arrange this MARVELOUS FEAST.
OFFER EXPIRES SOON (how soon? Soon - believe it.)
ACT NOW.
Thank you for your support . . . {wheeze}
From: minh@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Minh Anh Pham)
Subject: <><><><>SIPPs MEMORY FORSALE<><><><>
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Lines: 23
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu
<><><><> SIPPs FOR SALE <><><><>
I have 16 SIPPs for sale.  I upgraded a few systems memory, so I don't need
these no more.  They are:
11- 256x9 SIPPs @70NS
5-  256X9 SIPPs @80NS
--------------------
4 MEG TOTAL          ALL FOR $110
OR  4 (1 MEG) FOR $27
NOTE:  SIPPs are gernally more expensive then SIMMs
These SIPPs are in good working condition........
Buyer pay shipping/handling.
If interested reply to:
minh@wpi.wpi.edu
--
Minh Pham
E-mail: minh@wpi.wpi.edu
Worcester Polytechnical Institute
From: alai@balboa.eng.uci.edu (Anthony Lai)
Subject: <<<< SALE: 3 Software Packages ... pcANYWHERE, antivirus, deltagraph >>>
Nntp-Posting-Host: balboa.eng.uci.edu
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Lines: 28
Hello,
I have three software packages for sale:
1. The Norton pcANYWHERE version 4.5 for dos. This software
include host and remote software. It can control both
dos and windows 3.1 (both standard and enhanced modes)
activities. Registration card is enclosed.
Price: $40.00
2. The Norton AntiVirus for windows and dos version 2.1. It
can update virus information any time. It also support
networks. Registration card is enclosed.
Price: $40.00
3. DeltaGraph Professional for Windows 3.1. This is the BEST
graphics presentation program I have ever seen. Registration
card is enclosed. Reg. Price: $495.00
Price: $150.00
Thank you for your attention.
Anthony Lai
From: cychong@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Robert Chong)
Subject: BOOKS FOR SALE (CHEAP!)
Nntp-Posting-Host: top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University
Lines: 50
Hi, everyone,
Here are some books for sale, all prices are negotiable!!
(****Shipping fee is not included!!)
1. Signals and Systems, Alexander P. Poularik and Samuel Seely
PWS-KENT Publisher,	Old price: $10
New Price: $8.50!!!!
2. Probability: an introduction, Samuel Goldberg
Dover Publisher, 	Old price: $4
New Price: $2!!!!!!!
3. Digital Image Processing and Computer Vision, R. Schalkoff
Wiley Publisher, 	Old price: $30
New Price: $26!!!!!!
4. Digital Image Processing, R. Gonzalz and P. Wintz,
Addison Wesley Publisher, Old price: $25
New Price: $22.50!!!
SOLD!!..5. X Window System User Guide (for X11R4), O'Reilly Associate
6. The Best Book of MS-DOS 5, Alan Simpson
SAMS, 		Old price: $12
New price: $8.50!!!!
7. Elements of Modern Algebra, Hu
Holden Day Publisher, Old price: $8
New price: $3.00!!!!
8. Symmetries, Asymmetries and the World of Particles, T.D. Lee
Washington Publisher, Old price: $12
New price: $9.50!!!!
9. Elementary Particles and the Laws of Physics - the 1986 Dirac		  Memorial Lectures, Cambridge Publisher, Old price: $8
New price: $6.00!!!!
10. A Brief History of Time, Stephen W. Hawking
Bantam books (Paperback), Old price: $8
New price: $4.00!!!!
--
Robert Chong
Department of Mechanical Engineering
The Ohio State University
Email: cychong@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
From: thssgkg@iitmax.iit.edu (Gulshan K Garg)
Subject: Fax Modem Card Wanted
Keywords: Fax, Modem Card
Organization: Illinois Institute of Technology / Academic Computing Center
Distribution: chi
Lines: 8
I am looking out for an inexpensive fax modem card for PC. If you have one to sell, please e-mail
Gulshan Garg
thssgkg@iitmax.iit.edu
312/942-1977 (H)
From: bob@nntp.crl.com (Bob Ames)
Subject: UNIX PC Software for sale
Organization: CRL Internet Dialup Access    (415-389-UNIX   login: guest)
Lines: 41
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: crl.com
Greetings:
Here is a list of items for the 3B1 which I am selling:
dBase III - Full dBase III multiuser Development/Runtime for 3B1!
Microsoft Basic Interpreter - Gives 2.5 Megabytes RAM available!
Microsoft Word - Full featured mouse-based multiuser word-processor.
Microsoft MultiPlan - Nice multiuser spreadsheet program.
GSS-Chart - Nice graphical program for creating business charts.
LPI-C - A robust C compiler.  I'll throw in LPI-DEBUG:single-step,alter vars.
AT&T Electronic Mail - Very nice Office-based front end to mail.
I'll take $500 or best offer for the whole bunch.  I bought all of these
new in 1985, and paid over $2,000 for these excellent programs.
I'd rather sell them together, but don't hesitate to make me an offer for one.
I'd consider possible trades.  I'm interested in the following 3b1 Hardware:
Ethernet Card with or without Software
Tape Backup
External Expansion Unit
Upgraded P5.1 motherboard (Or just info on who can do the P5.1 upgrades)
ICUS 2nd hard drive upgrade kit
AT&T 513bct, 610, 615, or 4415 terminals with the UNIXPC-style keyboard
Make me an offer.
Bob Ames
bob@crl.com
707-546-0669
PS:  I can get UNIX PCs with 40M Drives and 1M Motherboards loaded with 3.51m,
cnews, smail, trn, rn, elm, nethack, gzip, HDB, and a couple other things
for about $550 each plus shipping.  Let me know if you're interested.
PPS:  Priam D519 150M Hard Drives (Exactly same as Maxtor 2190, but faster)
are on sale for $280 thru a vendor in LA (Number not handy, write for info)
This is a VERY good price for these drives, the largest, fastest HDs
available for the UNIX PC.  (Note, to fully use the entire 150M, you'll
need the P5.1 motherboard upgrade [WHO DOES THESE?], and a WD2010)
From: rosen@kranz.enet.dec.com (Jim Rosenkranz)
Subject: Re: Metal powder,steel,iron.
Reply-To: rosen@kranz.enet.dec.com (Jim Rosenkranz)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp.
Lines: 26
In article <79557@cup.portal.com>, mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson) writes:
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|>Newsgroups: misc.invest,misc.forsale
|>Subject: Re: Metal powder,steel,iron.
|>Message-ID: <79557@cup.portal.com>
|>Date: Thu, 15 Apr 93 08:53:51 PDT
|>Organization: The Portal System (TM)
|>References:  <ACpDgohaWA@commed.msk.su>
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|>I just love these posts from the ex-Soviet Union.  Among the cars, dinette
|>sets, video cameras, etc. every now and then an ad pops up for bee venom,
|>RED OXIDE OF MERCURY, cobalt (100 tons minimum order), etc.  Don't they
|>have garage sales in Russia?   :-)
|>
It really doesn't strike me as very funny. It is rather indicative of what
a crisis their economy is in. I imagine they are in desparate need of
markets to sustain industries and people which are nolonger under central
control of the government.
--
Jim Rosenkranz	rosen@kranz.enet.dec.com
"Never try to teach a pig to sing: it can't be done, and it annoys the pig."
From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Subject: soft contact lens cleaning unit (heater)
Summary: Barnes-Hind timer heating unit for boiling soft lenses
Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: PhDs In The Hall
Distribution: na
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My girlfriend switched to gas-permeable hard lenses and no longer
needs a one year old soft contact lens cleaning unit.  It's one of
those where you pop in the lens case filled with solution and the
lenses, press the lighted timer button and let it cook.  No stains
(of course -- if you've owned one of these, you understand), maybe
a little dust on the cover.
Best cash offer, or equivalent worth in used CD's or Betamax tapes
(some blanks or a couple of pre-recorded movies/concerts).
gld
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Gary L. Dare
> gld@columbia.EDU 			GO  Winnipeg Jets  GO!!!
> gld@cunixc.BITNET			Selanne + Domi ==> Stanley
From: hungjenc@phakt.usc.edu (Hung-Jen Chen)
Subject: Forsale: Dynakit PAS-2x tube pre-amp
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Lines: 17
NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu
Dynakit PAS-2x for sale
It's a pure tube pre-amp, using two 12AX7s in phono stage and also
two 12AX7s in line stage. One 12x4 is used in power supply.
clean in and out
neat workmanship
works fine with good sound
owner's manuel
Asking $100 obo plus shipping. Contact Harry if interested. Thanx.
From: tedm@tsoft.net (Ted Matsumura)
Subject: Re: Catalog of Hard-to-Find PC Enhancements (Repost)
Article-I.D.: tsoft.C5JCCG.3Bn
Distribution: usa
Organization: TSoft BBS and Public Access Unix, +1 415 969 8238
Lines: 34
[stuff deleted]
>
>For example, I subscribe to 2 magazines, "ABC news" and "XYZ products".
>I give my name as "Joseph X. Cool" for the first, and "Joe Q. Cool" for
>the 2nd. When I get junk mail addressed to "Joseph X.  Cool", I know
>where they bought my name.
>
>This doesn't help NOT getting junk mail, but you at least know who's
>selling your name. And if you ask companies to NOT sell your name to
>mailing lists/tele-marketeers, they are not supposed to (as in, it's
>illegal.)
>
>And in case you haven't guessed, I don't really use Joe Cool.
>
>--
My company maintains a 20,000+ mailing list which is regularly rented for
one time use by the major software companies.  The method you are using to
"seed" your junk mail, isn't really effective.  Bulk mailers regulary
either send their databases to be "cleaned" by the NCOA, which if you've
moved recently, will revert back to the original "xxx Cool", and in large
mailings, there will likely be a dupe of you, and they'll pick the first, and use the
others for future mailings.
BTW, our list is currently one of the hottest lists for actual buyers of
a MS Windows utility product in the $100 range, and is available through
Direct Media in CT., at $0.10 per name.  Please let your direct mail
marketing rep. know about this..  Thanks.
TEd
>
>  --- Matthew Caprile    || Hey, I only speak for myself ! Even I  ---
>  ---                    || won't admit to the opinions expressed  ---
>  --- caprile@apple.com  || here, so don't expect my employer to.  ---
From: rdi@cci632.cci.com (Rick Inzero)
Subject: Drafting Machine for sale
Organization: [Computer Consoles, Inc., Rochester, NY
Distribution: usa
Lines: 17
For sale:  Precision drafting machine, Bruning OGP-0180.  Solid
older model with spring-loaded counter balance; clamps on table.  Without
scales.  For right handed person.  $60/make offer, includes UPS/parcel post
postage.
I'm guessing that it's from the 1940s or 1950s, a period well known for
excellent drafting machine construction! :-)
It's built with real metal parts, not cheap modern plastic, and it's painted
the typical office grey popular in that period.  It's smooth working, and
each of the two "arms" on it measures roughly 24".  It has a dual clamp to
enable you to clamp it on the edge or corner of a table.
---
Rick Inzero				        rochester!cci632!rdi
Northern Telecom, LTD       			uunet!ccicpg!cci632!rdi
Rochester, NY					rdi@cci.com
From: sunshine@cco.caltech.edu (Tom Renner)
Subject: Apple IIgs
Article-I.D.: gap.1qkm6lINNrc6
Distribution: usa
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Lines: 29
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu
I have a basic Apple IIgs system that I need to sell.  Everything comes with
original boxes and documentation, and is in excellent condition.  Make an
offer; I'll consider anything:
Apple IIgs 1 meg
3.5" drive
13" AppleColor RGB monitor
keyboard/mouse/mousepad/dustcovers/1200 baud Applemodem/random other worthless
stuff.
Here's a list of the games/apps:
Games:				   Applications:
BattleChess				System Disk
Defender of the Crown			System Tools IIGS
Arkanoid II				WordPerfect
Bubble Ghost				Appleworks
Shadowgate				Writer's Choice elite
Balance of Power			Draw Plus
Marble Madness				Copy II Plus
Zany Golf				ProTERM communications software
Chessmaster 2100
If interested, contact:
sunshine@cco.caltech.edu
*******************************************************************************
From: thssjxy@iitmax.iit.edu (Smile)
Subject: FORSALE:   Used Guitar amp.
Article-I.D.: iitmax.1993Apr15.223158.15645
Distribution: usa
Organization: Illinois Institute of Technology
Lines: 14
Two years old Crate Guitar Amplifier model G80XL.
- Handles upto 80 Watts.
- Dual Input.
- Two channels.
- Reverb.
- Three band eq.
- Distortion.
I am asking $150.
(send me a mail to "thssjxy@iitmax.acc.iit.edu" if you are interested.)
Prices maybe negotiable.
From: cbray@uafhp..uark.edu (Chris Bray)
Subject: Cassettes for Sale!!! (Update)
Organization: Kansas State University
Lines: 23
NNTP-Posting-Host: uafhp.uark.edu
Summary: Tapes for sale...
Keywords: tapes, sale, sell
Hi there again...
I still have a few tapes left...
As before they are $2.50 each (postage paid).
Multiple orders appreciated, but not necessary...
Package deals welcome...
Thanks...
Chris Bray
Lewis, Huey|Sports
Hooters|Nervous Night
Poison|Look What the Cat Dragged In
Hall & Oates|Big Bam Boom
Ratt|Out of the Cellar
Quiet Riot|Condition Critical
Seger, Bob|Like a Rock
Outfield|Play Deep
Plant, Robert|Shaken n' Stirred
Journey|Raised on Radio
Duran Duran|Duran Duran
Duran Duran|Arena
Duran Duran|Rio
From: bigjoe@netcom.com (g perry)
Subject: 1956 Elvis autograph
A friend requested that I post the following:
Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Distribution: World
Lines: 9
"	For sale: 1956 Elvis Prestly autograph. Autogaph is one of two, the
othere being Elvis's friend Red West and were obtained by the seller in the
spring of 1956 in Jacksonville , Fla the afternoon following the incident
when Elvis collapsed during a concert at the Gaterbowl in Jacksonville.
Request offers.
Ellen T. (408) 978-7716 (San Jose, CA.)"
From: df456@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David Tsao)
Subject: 486DX33, 4mRAM, 64kCACHE, 130mHD ->$1,298
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
Lines: 18
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu
VESA local bus motherboard,
4MB RAM,
64K cache,
1.2 & 1.44 Floppy,
130 MB Hard Drive,
IDE controller (2HD&2FD)
2S/1P/1G
Local Bus 1MB SVGA Video Card,
14" SVGA Monitor (.28dpi)
Mini Tower, 101-key Keyboard
David Tsao,
cstsao@sam.cs.olemiss.edu
601-234-0969
or
Benjamin Chen
714-257-1138
From: jrm@elm.circa.ufl.edu (Jeff Mason)
Subject: Marvel, DC, Valiant, Image, etc.. For Sale
Organization: Univ. of Florida Psychology Dept.
Lines: 460
NNTP-Posting-Host: elm.circa.ufl.edu
Updated April 17, 1993.
TITLE                                                   PRICE
--------------------------------------------------------------
Alpha Flight 13 (Wolverine appears)                   	$ 8.40
50 (Double Size)				$ 1.05
51 (Jim Lee's first work at Marvel)	$ 6.30
Aliens 1 (1st app Aliens in comics, 1st prnt, May 1988)	$23.10
Amazing Spider-Man 128 (3rd Vulture)                    $15.00
136 (Intro new Green Goblin)            $22.00
137 (Green Goblin appears)              $14.00
180 (Green Goblin appears)              $11.00
238 (1st appearance Hobgoblin)          $60.00
250 (Hobgoblin appears)                 $ 8.40
267 (Peter David script, Human Torch)   $ 2.45
275 (r/origin Spiderman, Hobgoblin)     $ 8.40
276 (Hobgoblin appears)                 $ 6.30
284 (Punisher, Hobgoblin appear)        $ 6.30
291 (Spiderslayer appears)              $ 3.15
293 (Kraven appears)                    $ 5.60
294 (Kraven appears)                    $ 5.60
306 (Todd McFarlane)                    $ 7.00
312 (Hobgoblin vs Green Goblin)         $12.60
315 (Venom appears)                     $10.50
320 (Todd McFarlane art)		$ 4.90
321 (Todd McFarlane art)		$ 4.90
323 (Silver Sable, Paladin, C. America) $ 4.90
324 (Sabretooth appears)		$ 8.40
325 (Red Skull, Captain America)        $ 4.90
328 (Hulk appears, last McFarlane)      $ 5.25
330 (Punisher appears)                  $ 2.80
331 (Punisher appears)                  $ 2.80
337 (Hobgoblin appears)                 $ 2.45
338					$ 1.75
342					$ 1.75
343					$ 1.75
344 (Intro Cletus Kassady - Carnage)    $ 4.90
346 (Venom appears)			$ 4.90
347 (Venom appears)			$ 4.90
348					$ 1.40
349					$ 1.40
350 (52 pages)				$ 2.10
351					$ 1.40
352					$ 1.40
353 (Punisher, Darkbawk appear)		$ 1.40
354					$ 1.40
355 (Punisher appears)			$ 1.40
356 (Punisher appears)			$ 1.40
357 (Punisher appears)			$ 1.40
358 (Punisher appears)			$ 1.40
365 (1st App Spider-Man 2099, Holo-c)	$ 4.20
Annual 24                                       $ 2.45
Annual 25 (1st solo Venom story)                $ 3.50
Annual 26 (New Warriors, Venom)                 $ 3.50
Anne Rice's Vampire Companion 1				$ 5.00
Anne Rice's Vampire Lestat 5				$ 5.00
Archer and Armstrong 1 (Frank Miller/Smith/Layton)	$ 9.00
9 					$ 2.50
10					$ 2.50
Avengers 263 (1st appearance X-factor)                  $ 3.50
272 (Alpha Flight appears)			$ 1.05
300 (68 Pages, new team)			$ 1.75
306						$ 0.70
324 (Alpha Flight appears)			$ 0.70
329 (New team)					$ 0.70
Annual 15					$ 2.45
Annual 18					$ 2.10
Annual 19					$ 1.75
Batman Legends of the Dark Knight 1 (blue cover)        $ 3.85
3 			$ 2.00
Batman Shadow of the Bat 1 (still in polybag)           $ 5.00
Batman Versus Predator 1 (Prestige edition, Predator)	$ 5.00
1 (Prestige edition, Batman)	$ 5.00
Batman Year One (trade paperback, 1st printing)         $ 7.00
Bloodshot 1 (Chromium cover, BWSmith Cover/Poster)	$ 7.00
3						$ 2.50
4						$ 2.50
5						$ 2.50
Daredevil 131 (Origin Bullseye)                         $16.00
138 (Ghost Rider, Death's Head early app)     $11.00
158 (Frank Miller art begins)                 $40.00
159 (Deathstalker appears, Frank Miller art)  $20.00
169 (Elektra 2nd appearance, Bullseye)        $ 5.60
170 (Bullseye, Kingpin appear)                $ 4.20
182 (Punnisher appears, Frank Miller art)     $ 8.40
183 (Punnisher appears, Frank Miller art)     $ 8.40
184 (Punnisher appears, Frank Miller art)     $ 8.40
196 (Wolverine appears)                       $ 8.40
Darkhawk 2 (Spider-Man and Hobgoblin appear)            $ 7.00
Dark Horse Presents 1 (1st app Concrete, 1st printing)	$ 8.40
5 (Concrete appears)		$ 2.80
25 					$ 2.10
32 (Annual)				$ 2.80
37 					$ 1.40
42 (Aliens appear)			$ 3.50
Dazzler 1 (X-Men appear)				$ 1.40
40						$ 0.70
41						$ 0.70
42 (Beast appears)				$ 0.70
Deathlok 1                                              $ 2.80
Deathstroke the Terminator 1 (1st printing)             $ 5.60
2                            $ 3.50
Defenders 125 (Intro New Defenders)                     $ 2.10
152 (Double size, X-Factor appears)		$ 2.00
Demon 13 (Lobo appears)					$ 1.05
14 (Lobo appears)					$ 1.05
15 (Lobo appears)					$ 1.05
Eternal Warrior 1 (Miller cover)			$11.00
2 					$ 7.00
9					$ 2.50
10					$ 2.50
11					$ 2.50
Fantastic Four 112 (Hulk vs. The Thing)                 $25.00
337 (Simonson art begins)		$ 0.70
338 (Simonson art)			$ 0.70
339 (Simonsom art)			$ 0.70
344 (Simonson art)			$ 0.70
345 (Simonson art)			$ 0.70
347 (Art Adams cover art, Wolverine)     $ 3.50
348 (Ghost Rider/Wolverine appear)       $ 2.10
349 (Ghost Rider/Wolverine appear)       $ 2.10
350 (52 pages)                           $ 1.75
351 					$ 0.70
352 (Simonson art)			$ 0.70
353 (Simonson art)			$ 0.70
354 (Simonson art)			$ 0.70
355 					$ 0.70
356 (Fantastic Four vs New Warriors)	$ 0.70
358 (80 page 30th anniversary issue)     $ 2.25
359					$ 0.70
360					$ 0.70
361					$ 0.90
362					$ 0.90
Annual 24				$ 1.40
Flash 27						$ 1.05
28						$ 1.05
48						$ 0.70
50						$ 1.25
53 (Superman/Flash race)				$ 0.70
Ghost Rider 16 (Spider-man/Hobgoblin cover and story)   $ 2.45
17 (Spider-man/Hobgoblin cover and story)   $ 2.45
Ghost Rider and Cable 1	(Sam Keith cover)		$ 4.00
Ghost Rider and Captain America: Fear			$ 5.00
Guardians of the Galaxy 25 (Prism foil cover)           $ 2.50
Harbinger 10 (1st Appearance H.A.R.D. Corps)		$ 7.00
16						$ 3.00
17						$ 2.50
18						$ 2.50
H.A.R.D. Corps 1 					$ 5.00
6 					$ 2.50
7					$ 2.50
Havok and Wolvreine: Meltdown 1				$ 3.50
Incredible Hulk 314 (Byrne art begins)                  $ 3.50
323                                     $ 1.40
324 (1st app Grey Hulk since #1, 1962)	$ 7.00
327                                     $ 1.40
330 (1st McFarlane issue)		$17.50
331 (Grey Hulk series begins)		$11.20
367 (1st Dale Keown art in Hulk)        $14.00
372 (Green Hulk appears, Keown art)	$12.60
373 (Keown art)                         $ 4.20
376 (Keown art, Grey vs Green Hulk)     $ 4.20
377 (1st all new hulk, 1st prnt, Keown) $14.00
381 (Keown c/a)				$ 2.80
384 (Keown c/a)                         $ 2.80
385 (Keown c/a)                         $ 2.80
386 (Keown c/a)                         $ 2.80
387 (Keown c/a)                         $ 2.80
388 (Keown c/a)                         $ 2.80
389 (Keown c/a)                         $ 2.10
390 (Keown c/a)                         $ 2.80
392 (Keown c/a)				$ 2.80
393 (Green foil stamped cover, Keown)	$ 5.60
Infinity Gauntlet 1 (Perez painted cover. Thanos)       $ 7.00
2 (Thanos)                            $ 4.20
3 (Thanos)                            $ 2.80
John Byrne's Next Men 3					$ 3.00
4                                 $ 3.00
Justice League America 46				$ 0.70
47				$ 0.70
50				$ 1.25
52				$ 0.70
Justice League Quarterly 1				$ 2.50
Justice Society of America 1  (April 1991)		$ 1.25
Kamandi 1 (Origin Kamandi, Kirby art)                   $25.00
2 (Kirby art)                                   $15.00
3 (Kirby art)                                   $ 9.00
7 (Kirby art)                                   $ 5.00
Last Generation 1                                       $ 2.10
Magnus Robot Fighter 21 (New direction & logo begins)	$ 5.00
23					$ 3.00
24					$ 2.50
Marc Spector Moon Knight 25 (Ghost Rider appears)	$ 2.50
Marvel Comics Presents 1 (Wolverine, Silver Surfer)     $ 7.00
2 (Wolverine, Master of KungFu)	$ 3.50
3 (Wolverine, Master of KungFu)	$ 3.50
4 (Wolverine, Master of KungFu)	$ 3.50
5 (Wolverine, Daredevil)		$ 3.50
6 (Wolverine, Hulk)		$ 2.80
7 (Wolverine, Submariner)	$ 2.80
10 (Wolverine, Man-Thing)	$ 2.80
11 (Man-Thing, Ant-Man)		$ 1.40
12 (Man-Thing, Colossus)		$ 1.40
13 (Black Panther, Shanna)	$ 1.40
14 (Black Panther, Nomad)        $ 1.40
17 (Ron Lim art, Black Panther)	$ 1.40
18 (Ron Lim art, Black Panther)	$ 1.40
19 (Rob Liefeld art, Cyclops)	$ 1.40
20 (Ron Lim art, Black Panther)	$ 1.40
21 (Ron Lim art, Black Panther)	$ 1.40
22 (Ron Lim art, Black Panther)	$ 1.40
25 (Nth Man, Havok, Blk Panther) $ 1.40
26 (Black Panther, Havok, Hulk)	$ 1.40
27 (Black Panther, Havok)	$ 1.40
28 (Black Panther, Havok)	$ 1.40
29 (Black Panther, Havok)	$ 1.40
30 (Black Panther, Havok)	$ 1.40
31 (Erik Larsen, Excalibur)	$ 1.40
42 (Wolverine)			$ 2.10
51 (Rob Liefeld, Wolverine)      $ 2.10
52 (Rob Liefeld, Wolverine)      $ 2.10
53 (Rob Liefeld, Silver Sable)   $ 2.10
60 (Wolverine, Hulk)             $ 4.20
62 (Jackson Guice, Deathlok)     $ 5.60
63 (Poison, Thor, Scarlet Witch) $ 2.80
64 (Mark Texiera, Ghost Rider)   $ 3.15
65 (Mark Texiera, Ghost Rider)   $ 3.15
66 (Mark Texiera, Ghost Rider)   $ 3.15
67 (Mark Texiera, Ghost Rider)   $ 3.15
72 (B.W.Smith, Weapon X)         $ 5.60
73 (B.W.Smith, Weapon X)		$ 2.80
75 (B.W.Smith, Weapon X)		$ 2.10
76 (B.W.Smith, Weapon X)		$ 2.10
77 (B.W.Smith, Weapon X,Dracula) $ 2.10
80 (B.W.Smith, Weapon X)		$ 2.10
81 (B.W.Smith, Weapon X)		$ 1.75
82 (B.W.Smith, Weapon X)         $ 1.75
83 (B.W.Smith, Weapon X)         $ 1.75
84 (B.W. Smith, Weapon X)        $ 1.75
85 (1st Keith art and Jae Lee)   $ 4.20
88 (Keith, Wolverine, Beast)	$ 2.80
97 (Ghost Rider, Cable)		$ 1.40
104 (Wolverine, Ghost Rider)	$ 1.05
106 (Wolverine, Ghost Rider)     $ 1.05
Maxx 1 (Sam Keith)                                      $ 3.00
Metropol 1 (Ted McKeever)                               $ 3.00
Mighty Mouse 2						$ 1.25
4						$ 1.00
5						$ 1.00
6						$ 1.00
10						$ 1.00
Moon Knight 1 (1980)					$ 3.00
'Nam 6                                                  $ 1.70
7                                                  $ 1.70
52 (Frank Castle (Punisher))                       $ 3.15
New Mutants 18 (Intro new Warlock, Magus)               $ 6.30
85 (Rob Liefeld/Todd McFarlane cover)       $ 1.05
86 (McFarlane cover, 1st app Cable - cameo)	$10.50
88 (Rob Liefeld, 2nd Cable)                 $14.00
89 (Rob Liefeld, 3rd Cable)                 $10.50
90 (Rob Liefeld, Sabretooth appears)        $ 8.40
91 (Rob Liefeld, Sabretooth appears)        $ 8.40
92 (Rob Liefeld cover)			$ 3.50
93 (Rob Liefeld, Wolverine vs Cable)        $10.50
94 (Rob Liefeld, Wolverine vs Cable)        $10.50
96 (Rob Liefeld, X-Tinction agenda)         $ 8.40
97 (Rob Liefeld, Wolverine/Cable cover)     $ 8.40
98 (1st app Deadpool, Gideon, Domino)       $ 8.40
99 (1st app Feral of X-Force)		$ 5.40
100 (1st app X-Force)                       $ 6.30
Annual 4 (Evolutionary War)			$ 2.10
Annual 5 (1st Liefeld art on New Mutants)	$12.60
Annual 6					$ 1.40
Annual 7 (2nd app X-Force)                  $ 8.40
Summer Special 1 (Art Adams art)		$ 2.10
Olympians 1 (McFarlane)                                 $ 2.80
Omega Men 3 (1st appearance Lobo)                       $ 7.00
10 (1st full Lobo story)                      $ 7.00
Annual 1                                      $ 1.05
2                                      $ 1.05
Power Man & Iron Fist 78 (3rd appearance Sabretooth)    $25.00
84 (4th appearance Sabretooth)    $20.00
Power Pack 27 (Wolverine and Sabretooth appear)         $ 7.00
Predator: Big Game 3 (Contains trading cards)           $ 2.10
Punisher 9 (Wilce Portacio)                             $ 7.70
Punisher and Captain America: Blood and Glory 1		$ 5.00
2 	$ 5.00
3		$ 5.00
Punisher P.O.V 1 (Starlin script, Wrightson art)        $ 5.00
2 (Starlin script, Wrightson art)        $ 5.00
3 (Starlin script, Wrightson art)        $ 5.00
Punisher War Journal 16 (Jim Lee art)			$ 3.50
29 (Ghost Rider appears)           $ 1.75
30 (Ghost Rider appears)           $ 1.75
31                                 $ 1.25
32                                 $ 1.25
35                                 $ 1.25
36                                 $ 1.25
38                                 $ 1.25
39                                 $ 1.25
40                                 $ 1.25
Punisher War Zone 1 (Die-cut cover)                     $ 2.45
2                                     $ 1.75
Ragman 1 (Pat Broderick, Origin Ragman)                 $ 3.00
Rocketeer Special Edition (Dave Stevens art, 1984)	$ 7.00
Shadowman 13						$ 2.50
14						$ 2.50
Simpsons Comics and Stories 1 (Polybagged special ed.)	$10.00
Solar Man of the Atom 18				$ 3.00
19				$ 2.75
20				$ 2.75
21				$ 2.50
22				$ 2.50
Spectacular Spider-Man 81 (Punisher appears)            $ 9.80
93 (Answer appears)              $ 2.10
94 (Cloak and Dagger appear)     $ 2.10
95 (Cloak and Dagger appear)     $ 2.10
99 (Spot appears)                $ 2.10
116 (Sabretooth appears)         $ 3.50
117 (Sabretooth appears)         $ 3.50
119 (Sabretooth appears)         $ 3.50
124 (Dr. Octopus appears)        $ 1.75
130 (Hobgoblin appears)          $ 2.80
131 (Kraven appears)             $ 4.20
132 (Kraven appears)             $ 3.50
140 (Punisher appears)           $ 2.10
142 (Punisher appears)           $ 3.50
143 (Punisher appears)           $ 3.50
147 (1st app New Hobgoblin)      $14.00
152 (Origin Lobo Bros, Punisher) $ 1.40
157				$ 1.40
158 (Spider-Man gets new powers)	$ 8.40
159 (Cosmic Spider-Man appears)	$ 5.60
160				$ 1.05
189 (1st ed Hologram, Hobgoblin) $ 5.60
Annual 10 (McFarlane story)      $ 1.75
Spider-Man 1 (Gold edition, direct sale)                $ 3.50
1 (Regular edition, green, unbagged)         $ 3.50
5 (Lizard, Calypso appear, McFarlane)        $ 2.80
6 (Hobgoblin, Ghost Rider appear)            $ 4.20
7 (Hobgoblin, Ghost Rider appear)            $ 4.20
13 (Black costume returns)                   $ 3.50
14 (Black costume, Morbius appear)           $ 5.00
16 (McFarlane/Liefeld art, X-Force appears)  $ 3.00
18 (Sinister Six, Hulk appear)               $ 2.00
19 (Hulk, Deathlok appear)                   $ 2.00
26 (Origin retold, hologram cover)		$ 3.00
Star Trek the Next Generation 1 (Feb 1988, DC mini)     $ 7.00
Star Trek the Next Generation 1 (Oct 1989, DC comics)   $ 6.30
2                         $ 4.20
Strange Adventures (dozens, but in varying high grades) ASK
Swamp Thing 72                                          $ 1.25
73 (John Constantine appears)               $ 1.25
Annual 3                                    $ 1.40
Tales of the Teen Titans 44 (Deathstroke app/orogin)    $ 5.60
Terminator 1 (Dark Horse)                               $ 4.20
Terminator: Secondary Objectives 1                      $ 2.10
Terminator 2 Judgement Day 1                            $ 1.00
Thor 374 (Mutant Massacre, X-Factor, Sabretooth app)    $ 5.60
432 (Eric Masterson becomes new Thor)              $ 2.10
Warlock and the Infinity Watch 2 (Starlin scripts)	$ 2.80
3			$ 2.10
4                        $ 1.60
5 			$ 1.60
6			$ 1.60
7                        $ 1.25
8                        $ 1.25
9 (Gamora vs Thanos)     $ 1.25
Web of Spider-Man 2					$ 4.90
3					$ 4.90
4					$ 3.50
5					$ 3.50
8 (Thunder appears)                   $ 3.15
16 (Magma appears)                    $ 2.30
18                                    $ 2.30
20                                    $ 2.30
21                                    $ 2.30
29 (Hobgoblin, Wolverine appear)      $ 9.10
30 (Origin Rose, Hobgoblin appears)   $ 8.40
47 (Hobgoblin appears)		$ 1.00
52					$ 1.00
66 (Green Goblin as super-hero)	$ 1.40
67 (Green Goblin as super-hero)	$ 1.40
68 					$ 1.00
71 					$ 1.00
72 					$ 1.00
73					$ 1.00
74					$ 1.00
75					$ 1.00
76					$ 1.00
77					$ 1.00
78					$ 1.00
79					$ 1.00
80					$ 1.00
81					$ 1.00
82					$ 1.00
83					$ 1.00
84 (Rose & Hobgoblin story)		$ 1.00
85 (Rose & Hobgoblin story)		$ 1.00
86 (Rose & Hobgoblin story)		$ 1.00
87 (Rose & Hobgoblin story)		$ 1.00
90 (Hologram cover, polybagged)	$ 4.20
91					$ 1.00
Annual 3				$ 2.00
Werewolf by Night 33 (2nd appearance Moon Knight)       $20.00
37 (Moon Knight appears)              $ 5.00
Wolverine 10 (Before claws, 1st battle with Sabretooth)	$16.80
41 (Sabretooth claims to be Wolverine's dad)	$ 7.00
42 (Sabretooth proven not to be his dad)	$ 3.50
43 (Sabretooth/Wolverine saga concludes)	$ 2.80
Wolverine 1 (1982 mini-series, Miller art)		$21.00
Wonder Woman 267 (Return of Animal Man)                 $13.00
Annual 1                                   $ 2.00
2                                   $ 2.00
X-Factor 47                                             $ 1.05
51 (Sabretooth appears)                        $ 3.50
52 (Sabretooth appears)                        $ 3.50
53 (Sabretooth appears)                        $ 3.50
57 						$ 1.00
62 (X-Tinction Agenda, Jim Lee cover)		$ 4.20
63 (Whilce Portacio art begins)		$ 4.20
69 (Whilce Portacio art)                       $ 1.40
70 (Last "Old Team" issue)                     $ 1.40
Annual 6 (New Warriors, X-Force appear)        $ 1.75
X-Force 1 (Signed by Liefeld, Bagged, X-Force card)     $25.00
1 (Signed by Liefeld, Bagged, Shatterstar card) $15.00
1 (Signed by Liefeld, Bagged, Deadpool card)    $15.00
1 (Signed by Liefeld, Bagged, Sunspot/Gideon)   $15.00
1 (Bagged, Cable card)                          $ 4.20
X-Men 210 (Mutant Massacre, Intro Marauders)            $12.60
211 (Mutant Massacre, Marauders appear)           $12.60
212 (Wolverine battles Sabretooth)                $22.00
213 (Wolverine battles Sabretooth)                $22.00
218 (Art Adams cover)				$ 2.80
226 (Fall of the mutants)				$ 5.60
239 (Inferno)					$ 2.80
245 (Rob Liefeld art)				$ 2.10
253 (All new X-Men begin)				$ 2.80
267 (Jim Lee art series begins)			$ 8.40
276 (Jim Lee art)					$ 1.05
277 (Last Jim Lee art)				$ 1.05
279						$ 1.05
280						$ 1.05
281 (New X-Men team, 1st printing)		$ 4.20
X-O Manowar 13						$ 3.00
15						$ 3.00
16						$ 3.00
All comics are in near mint to mint condition, are bagged in shiny
polypropylene bags, and backed with white acid free boards.  Shipping is
$1.50 for one book, $3.00 for more than one book, or free if you order
a large enough amount of stuff.  I am willing to haggle.
I have thousands and thousands of other comics, so please let me know what
you've been looking for, and maybe I can help.  Some titles I have posted
here don't list every issue I have of that title, I tried to save space.
--
Geoffrey R. Mason		|	jrm@elm.circa.ufl.edu
Department of Psychology	|	mason@webb.psych.ufl.edu
University of Florida		|	prothan@maple.circa.ufl.edu
Subject: 20" Color TV San Diego
From: louis@netlink.cts.com (Louis Cornelio)
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA
Lines: 23
========== 20" COLOR TV ============= San Diego Mesa College Area
Emerson M20R w/ "high-tech" square screen
BEST PRICE YOU
features: timer/sleep feature for auto- shut on/off
CAN FIND FOR A
fully cable ready w/ all coaxial video audio jacks
20-INCH COLOR TV
MTS (multichannel sound jack) for processing stereo
or bilingual channels
$ 170.00 FIRM
19 key remote includes review, recall, sleep features
============================================== tel 619-278-8779
please reply to lcornel@eis.calstate.edu for fastest response! -Louis
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| Louis Cornelio  GEnie:L.Cornelio       "The better the technology,         |
| louis@netlink.cts.com             the less efficient the human use of it." |
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From: jrm@elm.circa.ufl.edu (Jeff Mason)
Subject: AUCTION: Marvel, DC, Valiant, Image, Dark Horse, etc...
Organization: Univ. of Florida Psychology Dept.
Lines: 59
NNTP-Posting-Host: elm.circa.ufl.edu
I am auctioning off the following comics.  These minimum bids are set
below what I would normally sell them for.  Make an offer, and I will
accept the highest bid after the auction has been completed.
TITLE                                                   Minimum/Current
--------------------------------------------------------------
Alpha Flight 51 (Jim Lee's first work at Marvel)	$ 5.00
Aliens 1 (1st app Aliens in comics, 1st prnt, May 1988)	$20.00
Amazing Spider-Man 136 (Intro new Green Goblin)         $20.00
Amazing Spider-Man 238 (1st appearance Hobgoblin)	$50.00
Archer and Armstrong 1 (Frank Miller/Smith/Layton)	$ 7.50
Avengers 263 (1st appearance X-factor)                  $ 3.50
Bloodshot 1 (Chromium cover, BWSmith Cover/Poster)	$ 5.00
Daredevil 158 (Frank Miller art begins)                 $35.00
Dark Horse Presents 1 (1st app Concrete, 1st printing)	$ 7.50
H.A.R.D. Corps 1 					$ 5.00
Incredible Hulk 324 (1st app Grey Hulk since #1, 1962)	$ 7.50
Incredible Hulk 330 (1st McFarlane issue)		$15.00
Incredible Hulk 331 (Grey Hulk series begins)		$11.20
Incredible Hulk 367 (1st Dale Keown art in Hulk)        $15.00
Incredible Hulk 377 (1st all new hulk, 1st prnt, Keown) $15.00
Marvel Comics Presents 1 (Wolverine, Silver Surfer)     $ 7.50
Maxx Limited Ashcan (4000 copies exist, blue cover)	$30.00
New Mutants 86 (McFarlane cover, 1st app Cable - cameo)	$10.00
New Mutants 100 (1st app X-Force)                       $ 5.00
New Mutants Annual 5 (1st Liefeld art on New Mutants)	$10.00
Omega Men 3 (1st appearance Lobo)                       $ 7.50
Omega Men 10 (1st full Lobo story)                      $ 7.50
Power Man & Iron Fist 78 (3rd appearance Sabretooth)    $25.00
84 (4th appearance Sabretooth)    $20.00
Simpsons Comics and Stories 1 (Polybagged special ed.)	$ 7.50
Spectacular Spider-Man 147 (1st app New Hobgoblin)      $12.50
Star Trek the Next Generation 1 (Feb 1988, DC mini)     $ 7.50
Star Trek the Next Generation 1 (Oct 1989, DC comics)   $ 7.50
Web of Spider-Man 29 (Hobgoblin, Wolverine appear)      $10.00
Web of Spider-Man 30 (Origin Rose, Hobgoblin appears)   $ 7.50
Wolverine 10 (Before claws, 1st battle with Sabretooth)	$15.00
Wolverine 41 (Sabretooth claims to be Wolverine's dad)	$ 5.00
Wolverine 42 (Sabretooth proven not to be his dad)	$ 3.50
Wolverine 43 (Sabretooth/Wolverine saga concludes)	$ 3.00
Wolverine 1 (1982 mini-series, Miller art)		$20.00
Wonder Woman 267 (Return of Animal Man)                 $12.50
X-Force 1 (Signed by Liefeld, Bagged, X-Force card)     $20.00
X-Force 1 (Signed by Liefeld, Bagged, Shatterstar card) $10.00
X-Force 1 (Signed by Liefeld, Bagged, Deadpool card)    $10.00
X-Force 1 (Signed by Liefeld, Bagged, Sunspot/Gideon)   $10.00
All comics are in near mint to mint condition, are bagged in shiny
polypropylene bags, and backed with white acid free boards.  Shipping is
$1.50 for one book, $3.00 for more than one book, or free if you order
a large enough amount of stuff.  I am willing to haggle.
I have thousands and thousands of other comics, so please let me know what
you've been looking for, and maybe I can help.  Some titles I have posted
here don't list every issue I have of that title, I tried to save space.
--
Geoffrey R. Mason		|	jrm@elm.circa.ufl.edu
Department of Psychology	|	mason@webb.psych.ufl.edu
University of Florida		|	prothan@maple.circa.ufl.edu
From: disham@cymbal.calpoly.edu (David Isham)
Subject: Cobra 146GTL SSB/CB FOR SALE!
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo
Lines: 13
Well, I have it forsale again (the last deal didn't work out) and I lowered
the price again!
Cobra 146 GTL Single side band w/mike  --> $75 or best offer!
dave
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Cal Poly,  		Life, Liberty, and the
SLO, CA 93401		Pursuit of Land Speed Records.
-Autobahn Commuters
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From: aj008@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Aaron M. Barnes)
Subject: Keyboards, Drives, Radios for sale!
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
Lines: 24
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu
Hello.
I have these items for sale.
Terms are UPS COD or prepayment by money order.
2 101 keyboards for IBM compatibles
1 Mitsumi 1.2 MB 5 1/4 floppy disk drive
1 Sony SRF-M30 digital AM/FM Stereo Walkman
The drive cost me $65, the keyboards were $40 each, and the Sony
radio cost $45.
I will sell for the best offers.
Thank You.
--
/ /     Buchanan in `96!
/ /      Fear the goverment that fears your guns.
\ \/ /       Without the 2nd amendment, we cannot guarantee ou
\/ /        r freedoms.           aj008@cleveland.freenet.edu
From: ginkgo@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (J. Geary Morton)
Subject: TI-95 PROCALC + MODULES for sale
Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service
Lines: 17
TEXAS INSTRUMENTS TI-95 PROCALC new in box w/manuals
also
TEXAS INSTRUMENTS TI-95 STATISTICS LIBRARY MODULE FOR PROCALC
new in box w/manual
and
TEXAS INSTRUMENTS TI-95 CHEMICAL ENGINEERING MODULE FOR PROCALC
new in box w/manual
all for $100.00 + shipping
contact Geary Morton <ginkgo@uncecs.edu>
phones: 919-851-6565(h) 919-549-7017(w)
From: battle@cs.utk.edu (David Battle)
Subject: ChemLab EyeoftheBeholder2 ClueBook EthernetTransceiver NintendoControl
Summary: Miscellaneous Items For Sale
Keywords: Chemistry IBM PC Games Clue Book Ethernet Transceiver Nintendo
Reply-To: battle@cs.utk.edu
Distribution: us
Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville - CS Department
Lines: 50
NNTP-Posting-Host: hydra1b.cs.utk.edu
I have the following items for sale.  The highest bid for each to arrive
in my email box by 5:00 pm EDT Wednesday April 21, 1993 gets the item.
1] Skillcraft Senior Chemlab Set 4581
Safe for Ages 10 and Up
Used little
25 bottles of different Chemicals, Plastic Balance, Alcohol Lamp,
Test Tube, Litmus Paper
Manual with "Over 1100 Experiments"
$4 shipping will be added to your bid
2] Eye of the Beholder II
Fun game for the IBM PC
In original box, with original media and Manual
$3 shipping will be added to your bid
3] Clue Book for Eye of the Beholder II
Solve your dilemmas in a hurry and find all the loot
$1 shipping will be added to your bid
Free shipping on this item if you bid highest on this and item 2].
4] Ethernet Transceiver (ST-500 With LanView (AUI to 50 Ohm coaxial))
Works fine
Has nifty blinking leds for send/receive/collision/power, etc.
Built-in T
Includes one 50 Ohm terminator
$2 shipping will be added to your bid
5] Super Nintendo Super Controller
Auto Repeated Fire
Hands-Free Continuous Fire
Slow Motion (accomplished by automatically pausing/unpausing)
Add to a one-controller console to allow two players
$2 shipping will be added to your bid
Be sure to include a  *SHIPPING ADDRESS* with *ALL* bids.
Be sure to include an *EMAIL ADDRESS*    with *ALL* bids.
Send bids to battle@cs.utk.edu (David Battle).
You will be informed by email if your bid is the highest by 5:30 pm EDT
Wednesday April 21, 1993.
Items will be shipped US Postal Service First Class COD on Thursday morning.
A money order for your bid plus the indicated shipping amount will be needed
to receive the item.  Please keep this fact in mind when bidding.
-David
battle@cs.utk.edu
From: eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf)
Subject: Airline ticket: Washington DC -> Champaign, IL (FOR SALE)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Lines: 9
I am selling a one way ticket from Washington DC to Champaign, IL ( the
home of the University of Illinois).  Am willing to offer a good price.
If you are interested, please email me at:  eshneken@uiuc.edu
Thanks,
Ed.
From: ginkgo@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (J. Geary Morton)
Subject: Big Block Dodge Carburetor
Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service
Lines: 11
NAPA remanufactured large 4 barrel carburetor for 78-80
big-block 360/440 Dodge.  Part #4-244.  New in box w/manifold gasket.
Retail: $345.00
NAPA price: $250.00
Your price $100.00 + shipping
contact Geary Morton <ginkgo@uncecs.edu>
phones: 919-851-6565(h) 919-549-7017(w)
From: fang@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Wen-Cheng Fang)
Subject: INFINITY RS-6903 6"x9" Speakers For Sale (BRAND NEW)
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Distribution: usa
Lines: 23
I have a pair of car speakers for sale. They are BRAND NEW, still in box and
plastic wrap. I got them at Highland's going-out-of-business sale just yesterday
However they won't fit my car's rear deck because it's not the right size.
So, I am trying to sale them here.
INFINITY RS-6903
6x9 Three-Way
Freq. Resp. 40-22k Hz
Power Capacity: 90 Watts per channel
Sensitivity: 93 dB SPL/1W/1m
Impedance 4 ohms
Mouting Depth 3"
List Price $200
Stereo Store $140-165 + tax
Mail Order Catalog Price $149 + S/H
My Price $120 obo + Shipping
Please e-mail me at fang@en.ecn.purdue.edu
or call me at (317)743-1394
Michael Wen-Cheng Fang
Subject: MONITOR
From: mike.damico@cccbbs.UUCP (Mike Damico)
Reply-To: mike.damico@cccbbs.UUCP (Mike Damico)
Distribution: world
Organization: Cincinnati Computer Connection - Cincinnati, OH - 513-752-1055
Lines: 2
Tracy your monitor is on its way. Mike Damico
From: yuanchie@aludra.usc.edu (Roger Y. Hsu)
Subject: 14.4K Fax Modem for Sale
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Lines: 28
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu
A slightly used (less than two months old) SupraFaxModem is for sale.
It comes with latest ROM 1.2H, communication software, fax software,
original manuals, and the original registration card.
Here are some specs:
Model #     : SUPFAXV32BIS
Description : SupraFaxModem V.32bis
Type        : Internal
Data Speed  : 14,400/12,000/9600/7200/4800/2400/1200/300 bps data
(upto 57000bps with V.42 data compression)
Protocols   : Bell 103/212A,CCIT V.21/V.22/V.22bis/V.32/V.32bis/V.42/
: V.42bis, MNP 2-5, & MNP 10
Fax         : 14,400/12,000/9600/7200/4800/2400 bps send/receive fax
: Class 1 & 2 commnads
: Group III compatible
Transmission: V.17,V.29,V.27ter
other       :
non-volatile memory; autoanswer/autodial (tone or pulse);
extended AT commands and result codes; includes diagnostics,
phone jacks, subscriptions to free online services.
5 year warranty.
Asking : $180 (neg.) + S/H
If interested, please e-mail.
Thanks!
From: tsen0001@student.tc.umn.edu (Maoee Tsen-1)
Subject: 486DX/33 Intel CPU chip for $265.
Nntp-Posting-Host: student.tc.umn.edu
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: na
Lines: 4
Upgraded my friend's 486DX/33 and have the chip for sale, 486DX/33 Intel
CPU chip, first US$265+shipping will get the chip.  or you can make the
offer if you don't like the price...  Thanks.
From: ergo@wam.umd.edu (Laurice)
Subject: Brand New Software Packages for Sale
Nntp-Posting-Host: rac3.wam.umd.edu
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: um
Lines: 6
Looking for people to buy brand new software packages including Microsoft
Windows, Harvard Graphics, Pagemaker, Paradox, Lotus, etc. at 20-25% off
list price.
E-mail IMMEDIATELY to "ergo@wam.umd.edu" with name, phone #, email address,
and software names.
From: harrij@rebecca.its.rpi.edu (Jonathan Conrad Harriman)
Subject: Top of the line JVC portable disc player for sale
Summary: JVC portable disc player
Keywords: JVC, jvc, portable cd player, cd, cd player
Nntp-Posting-Host: rebecca.its.rpi.edu
Lines: 29
I have used JVC's top of the line portable cd player for three months now.
I have mostly used it in my car on long trips, so it has less than 20 hours of use on it.  The unit is one of the best that I have seen and listened to, but
I am going to part with it to install a disc changer in my car.
Features include:
17 Hz - 20,000 Hz
rechargeable nicad batteries
wireless remote control
AC adaptor
headphones
carrying belt and case
digital 6 band graphic eq with spectrum analyzer
25 presets, 5 user programmable
RCA connections and cord
JVC compulink capability (cord included)
programmable from remote
intro, random, repeat playback
I will include a Discwasher (tm) power converter to convert an automobile's
12v DC to the 5.5V DC that the unit requires.  I had to buy this one because
it was the only one that fits, (JVC makes a unique connection that cannot be
found at Radio Shack etc).
I paid $235 for the disc player and another $30 for the power converter.
I will sell the disc player alone for $180, or both items for $190.
Send replies to harrij@rpi.edu or (518)271-7942
-Jon
From: fml2@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Francis M Lee)
Subject: *** Dayna EtherPrint 10BASE-T (New & Cheap) ***
Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
Reply-To: fml2@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Francis M Lee)
Organization: Columbia University
Lines: 28
Posting for a friend.
Contact directly or leave e-mail and I can forward.
Brand spanking new.
Still in original package.
Never opened.
Dayna EtherPrint-T.
RJ-45 connector to support 10BASE-T-compliant networks.
Connect LocalTalk-compatible printers directly to Ethernet networks.
Will work with _ANY_ LocalTalk-compatible network printer, such as
LaserWriter
ImageWriter
IBM 4216 Personal Page Printer II
Hewlett-Packard DeskWriter
Hewlett-Packard LaserJet printer family
QUME printers
Can daisy-chain a maximum of 4 LocalTalk devices, such as
workstations
modems
printers
to a single EtherPrint device.
Support AppleTalk Phase 1 and Phase 2 protocols.
$300 + shipping.
Cheap ... $329 new without 10BASE-T in MAC World.
Contact Kam Poon at 718-332-2993 after 6 PM EST.
From: rsjoyce@eos.ncsu.edu (ROGER STEPHEN JOYCE)
Subject: Mac monitor **WANTED**
Originator: rsjoyce@c00402-346dan.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: rsjoyce@eos.ncsu.edu (ROGER STEPHEN JOYCE)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Lines: 11
Wanted:  color monitor >= 14"  suitable for use on a Macintosh
Centris 610.  I am planning on purchasing one of these machines
soon and don't want to have to pay full price for a new monitor
when a used one will do me just as well.  If you have one you'd
like to part with, please email me with the specs and price.
Thanks.
Roger
rsjoyce@eos.ncsu.edu
From: orobles@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Oscar B Robles)
Subject: FORSALE: NEW HP48SX WITH SOFTWARE.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Lines: 10
I bought my HP48sx calculator a month ago, used once but put it back in the
box.  Includes manual and I'm including about 7 high density disks packed with
dozens if not hundreds of games and programs. All you need to do is buy the
pc cable for around $20 bucks so you could use the software.
$255 shipping included or best offer.
Thanx.l
From: ctd2t@Virginia.EDU ("Chris Dong")
Subject: WANTED:MEMPHIS SUBLET
Organization: University of Virginia
Lines: 6
Non-smoking, normal law student needs furnished place to live in Memphis
this summer.  I'll be working at a firm downtown and will have
to pass the bar character examination, so you don't have to worry about
your stuff being broken or stolen.  Call Chris at (804)979-2519
or leave e-mail.
From: dkfox@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (fox darin k)
Subject: FOR SALE:  386 Laptop/80 HD/4m RAM
Summary: FOR SALE:  386 Laptop/80m HD/4m RAM
Keywords: laptop 386 for sale
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Lines: 21
*FOR SALE*
Compudyne 386-25SXL Laptop
80 meg HD
4 meg RAM
3.5" FD
VGA Monochrome 64 Grey Scale
+Math Coprocessor!
Asking $1500, or best offer.  Must sell soon.
**Do not reply to this email address**
Call Johnny at 312/856-1767
Email:  phd_cz@gsbacd.uchicago.edu
--
| Darin K. Fox, B.A. '89, J.D. '92    |  Are you master of your      |
| Univ. of Ill. Graduate School of    |  domain?                     |
| Library and Information Science     |                  - Seinfeld  |
Subject: Re: FORSALE: Men Without Hats- Folk of the 80's Part III vinyl
From: andrew@tigress.equinox.gen.nz (andrew king)
Reply-To: Andrew@tigress.equinox.gen.nz
Distribution: world
Organization: Wibble
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Lines: 14
Grinning Evil Death (mute@bigwpi.WPI.EDU) wrote:
: Men Without Hats - "Folk of the 80's (Part III)" - vinyl
Anyone out there who is willing to part with their copy of
Men without Hats, "Pop goes the world!" album on vinyl...or perhaps CD...
please contact me, we wish to purchase it!
|o| Andrew@tigress.equinox.gen.nz  )()                            |o|
| |				  |U  |\   It's late (again)...   | |
|o|				  |___|/ Tea and Lemmings please! |o|
From: ibeshir@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ibrahim)
Subject: Terminal forsale
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Lines: 1
From: ibeshir@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ibrahim)
Subject: Terminal for sale
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: usa
Lines: 5
I have a vt200 and vt100 compatible terminal
with 1200 external hyess modem
amber screens 101 keyboard,cable
make an offer
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From: scalawag@carson.u.washington.edu (Keith Frederick)
Subject: GRE & GRE Economics Test Books for SALE
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Lines: 34
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu
Summary: GRE,GRE Economics Test Books for SALE
GRE Test Aids for Sale
---------------------------------
Cliffs GRE Preparation Guide, (c). 1992
3 full length practive tests w/ answers and explanations
Also includes test-taking strategies. By the same people
who do Cliffs Notes.
---- $5
GRE Economics Test by the Research and Education Association
Revised 1990 edition. Includes 6 full length exams with detailed
explanations and solutions to each question. 648 pages!
---- $10
Practicing to take the GRE Economics Test by ETS.
Includes an official full-length GRE Economics Test from 1985-1986 and
aswers included but no explanations.
---- $4
Practicing to take the GRE General Test-No. 8 by ETS.
Includes three official GRE General Tests from 1989-1990 (w/ answers but
no explanations) and one additional GRE General Test complete with
explanations to answers.
---- $8
Shipping is $1 extra. Buy everything for $25 and I cover the shipping.
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| Keith R. Frederick               | Happiness is our moral purpose.     |
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From: craigb@vccsouth03.its.rpi.edu (Brian Craig)
Subject: speakers for sale
Nntp-Posting-Host: vccsouth03.its.rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Lines: 22
For sale :
Bose A5 subwoofer 1 month old
2 Advent minis    4 months old
email offers to
craigb@rpi.edu
From: james.mollica%pics@twwells.com (James Mollica)
Subject: MATH COPRO SALE/TRADE
Reply-To: james.mollica%pics@twwells.com (James Mollica)
Organization: Pics OnLine! MultiUser System - 609-753-2540
Lines: 14
I am looking for a math coprocessor for a 286-16mhz.
Should be a 80287-10 or 12.
I also have a 80387SX-16 for sale or trade.
TNX-
Jim
* 1st 1.10b #1439 * 1stReader: On the cutting edge of software evolution.
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From: UD156844@NDSUVM1.BITNET
Subject: Software Sale
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computer Network
Lines: 34
Hi,
I have the following software forsale:
Microsoft           MS-DOS  5.0         3.5"DD    $15
-- This is a good buy for those who don't need all the utils in DOS 6.0
Accolade            Hardball II         5.25"DD   $10
--  Good arcade baseball game, graphics/sound are pretty good, has the
ability to make schedules and edit player stats
Accolade           The Third Courier       5.25"HD     $5
--  Adventure/Spy type game
EGA                Earl Weaver 2           3.5"DD      $15
--  Good arcade/strategy type baseball game, you have ability to play
for league play,  i have MLB stats for 1990 and 1991
EGA                Stormovik SU25: Soviet Attack Fighter  3.5"DD $10
--  Good fighter simulation, various missions and levels of play
Sierra                 Thexder FireHawk            3.5" & 5.25"  $5
--  Arcade shoot 'em up type game, nice music and sound effects
Virgen                  Scrabble                    3.5"          $5
--  computer version of the popular board game
I'm willing to negotiate on the prices, prices do not include shipping.
Shipping costs will be split 50/50.  Drop me a line! :)
Roberto Alvarez                                  ud156844@ndsuvm1
Programmer Analyst                               ud156844@vm1.nodak.edu
University of North Dakota                       adrxa@undjes2
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
From: Joseph Dresnok III <JDRESNO@auvm.american.edu>
Subject: !!!!JAZZ CD 4 sale/trade!
Lines: 7
I have an unopened CD called "Bird-The Original Recordings of Charlie
Parker"  It has on it, among others: Miles Davis, Dizzy Gillespie,
Red Rodney, Thelonious Monk, and Lester Young.
I would be willing to sell it to the highest bidder, or else to trade
it for another jazz CD that I would be interested in.
joe
From: geos56@Judy.UH.EDU
Subject: WholeSale TV sets.
Organization: University of Houston
Lines: 3
Reply-To: geos56@Judy.UH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: judy.uh.edu
We are representing some Chinese TV manufacturers who want to wholesale their
products to Latin American countries. We are looking for brokers/agents who
can help us. Products include both color and black/white TVs from 11" to 24". If interested, please e-mail or fax to Mr Z Ho at 713-926-7953 (USA) for more information or inquiries. good commission.
From: rahdert@thrombus.seas.upenn.edu (Dave Rahdert)
Subject: Ticket: San Francisco => Philadelphia
Distribution: na
Organization: Dept. of Mechanical Engineering and Applied Mechanics
Lines: 20
Nntp-Posting-Host: thrombus.seas.upenn.edu
One way ticket (return leg of roundtrip ticket) for female traveler
San Francisco ==> St. Louis ==> Philadelphia
May 21, 1993 (Friday)  leaves SFO     10:25 am
arrives Phila.  8:43 pm
.............$150   or best offer
return E-mail    or call 215/387-0203 (home)
215/898-8099 (office)
From: jf4527@adx.adelphi.edu (Jamie Fitzpatrick)
Subject: Re: Photogrammetric Camera
Keywords: photogrammetric Camera
Organization: Adelphi University
Lines: 20
Hello,
While refurbishing our observatory I came across the above mentioned camera. It was manufactured
by the Instrument Corporation of Florida  ~ 1970. Now for my questions:
1) Does anyone have any knowledge of this equipement ?
2) Does anyone know of the company (phone numbers ?) ?
3) Are there any others out there...I need some parts.
Any responces are greatly appreciated.
take care,
jamie
jf4527@adx.adelphi.edu
From: tin@phan.Eng.Sun.COM (Tin Phan)
Subject: Re: Cellular Phone (Portable) for sale
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
Lines: 16
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: phan
Summary: Takes longer than 24 hours
In article <79599@cup.portal.com>, mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson) writes:
> I offer $100, shipment at seller's expense, payment as personal check
> sent by U.S. mail within 24 hours after receiving goods.  I reserve the
> right to return the goods, at my expense, if I find them to be defective
> or otherwise unacceptable when I receive them (either the merchandise or
> the check would be mailed within 24 hours).
>
> Mark Thorson
I hope you realize that for a cellular phone, you need to subscribe to a
Cellular carrier, and it usually takes at least one working day before
the service is available to you. Only then you can find out whether
the phone is working.
Tin
From: jmu@acpub.duke.edu (Joshua Mostkoff Unger)
Subject: INTEL FAX MODEM FOR SALE
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.
Lines: 15
Nntp-Posting-Host: raphael.acpub.duke.edu
I have an Intel SatisFAXtion Modem/100 INTERNAL for sale.
It runs at 2400 baud data mode and up to 9600 baud as a Class 1 fax modem.
It transmits up to 9600 baud (V.29) and receives up to 4800 baud (V.27 ter.)
The modem has all original manuals and comes with software, icluding
Intel's SatisFAXtion and FAXability, as well as Crosstalk Communicator
I have used this modem less than an hour.  It came with my computer and I
already had another one.
I would like to ask $50 for this modem, but will entertain all serious offers.
Please email to jmu@acpub.duke.edu
Thanks.
From: jmu@acpub.duke.edu (Joshua Mostkoff Unger)
Subject: 486SX Motherboard/Case/Mouse
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.
Lines: 54
Nntp-Posting-Host: raphael.acpub.duke.edu
Hello, I have a motherboard and a case for sale as a package.
Both of them came from a CompuAdd computer I bought last August and am
presently upgrading.
Here are the specs--
Motherboard
-----------
Cyrix 486SL 25 MHz microprocessor
Chips and Technology chipset (SCATsx V2.3.6 SLSLC)
8 SIMM banks for a maximum of 32 Megs of RAM
BUILT-IN Floppy and Hard Drive Controllers
BUILT-IN ports--1 Parallel, 2 Serial (9 and 25 pin)
BUILT-IN Paradise SVGA controller with 1 meg of RAM (Windows drivers inc.)
-can do up to 1024x768 @ 256 colors
-based on the Western Digital WD90C31 chip
Math co-processor slot
3 16-bit expansion slots and 2 8-bit expansion slots
Case
----
Low-Profile Desktop
Very nice grey color
150 watt power supply
Room for 2 floppies plus HD
Mouse
-----
3-button
Microsoft-compatible
Grey color matches case
All original manuals and documentation, video drivers, etc. are included.
You are probably wondering why I must sell the case with the motherboard.
It is simply because the case is custom-made for this particular board and
you would be hard-pressed to fit another MB in it.  However, the case and
this motherboard were made to go together and fit perfectly.
As you can see, since this board includes drive controllers AND a video
controller, you can save some money by buying this unit and not a MB
where you would need to get IO cards, video card, and drive controllers
Its just a lot more convenient on the whole
I would like to ask about $500 for this whole package.  I think this is a fair
price given the facts that it includes a video card and drive controllers/IO
ports.  All you need to do is add drives, a monitor, RAM, and a keyboard.
Also keep in mind that it isn't a generic board, but from CompuAdd.
I also will entertain all serious offers.
Please email at jmu@acpub.duke.edu
Thanks
-J
From: bromgrev@rahul.net (Carl A. Merritt)
Subject: HDs and other Computer parts for Sale / Wanted...
Nntp-Posting-Host: bolero
Organization: a2i network
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Lines: 26
For Sale:
Fujitsu 324meg SCSI drive.  $450
Maxtor 338meg ESDI drive.  $425
Maxtor 160meg ESDI drive.  $225
Toshiba 106meg IDE drive.  $175
XT case & motherboard.  $50
DTC 16-bit MFM 2HD 2FD controler.  $30
All items are used, in full working condition, and have a
warranty for one week unless otherwise specified.  All prices
are %100 negotiable, shipping not included.
Wanted:
Developers kit for SB
17" SVGA moniters (two of them).
--
Carl A. Merritt <bromgrev@rahul.net>
From: cfoley@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU (Ciaran Foley)
Subject: Lots of neat IBM clone stuff for sale
Lines: 34
1) Complete 80386Dx25Mhz System for sale
SVGA card/w color Tatung VGA Monitor
2s/1p
2 floppies (1.44 and 1.2)
230 Watt Power supply
1 meg ram installed
80 meg IDE 14ms Hard drive
Best offer...
2) Bits and pieces
a) IDE controller card
b) internal 2400 baud modem
c) 80386Dx25Mhz CPU
d) 3 megs SIMM memory
e) Standard VGA card
3) Panasonic KXP-1524 Wide Carriage 24 pin Printer
Brand new condition
comes with plenty 'o ribbons
Parallel and Serial ports
Nice crisp output
ALl items are in beautiful condition. All fully functional. Willing to
provide net references if needed. Best offers on all items snag 'em.
Thanks for your time!
Ciaran
Ciaran Foley
cfoley@bonnie.uci.ics.edu
Office:714.830.3579
From: Bob.Stettina@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Bob Stettina)
Subject: NEW AIRCRAFT TU-154M
Lines: 42
DJ> Subject: New aircraft TU-154M for leasing, set spare parts.
>>>>>Category: Offers to leasing >>>>Headline: New Aircraft TU-154M
>>>>
>>>>Mr. Director Agabalaevich:
>>>>
>>>>BTW, are these guys out of their [....] minds, or was
>>>>our propaganda so effective that they believe some
>>>>netters could actually buy such stuff and land in
>>>>their driveway? Too much soda pop, too quick...
>>>
>>Go look up Tu 154M, it should be in most AIRLINER hand-books.
>>
>>
>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
DJ> ~~
>>Sgt. D.J. Morton                        Environmental Resource Sciences
>>Hastings and Prince Edward Regiment     Trent University
>>                                        Peterborough, Ontario
>>                                        K9J 7B8  Canada
DJ> There are a few things wrong with the potential sale of this
DJ> aircraft:
DJ> There is starting to be a glut of new aircraft on the market
DJ> (Airlines are taking delivery, then mothballing their new
DJ> planes).
DJ> Unless the fuel efficiency is better than the Airbus 320 or
DJ> Boeing 767, this plane is not economically feasible for the
DJ> major players (airlines). Unless the price is real cheap, and
DJ> you have an owner that doesn't care about fuel economy (Saudi
DJ> Family, maybe??) sales ought to be pretty glim.
Ummm...
I'd be surprised if you couldn't find a gov't aid program to
subsidize and/or underwrite the lease...  that could make it
quite an attractive arrangement...
Bizarre?  Yes.  Impossible?  Not really...
... Life is like... an analogy!  Yeah!  That's the ticket!
From: janson@crow.csrv.uidaho.edu (Todd Janson)
Subject: FORSALE: Norman Rockwell
Organization: University of Idaho, Moscow, Idaho
Lines: 21
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: crow.csrv.uidaho.edu
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Okay, okay, Norman himself isn't actually for sale.  BUT:
I have two Saturday Even Post's, both of which have Norman Rockwell
illustrations on the front cover.
October 29, 1960  --  with candidate Kennedy on campaign
-- has, obviously, a Norman Rockwell of Kennedy on the cover
November 5, 1960  --  with candidate Nixon on campaign
-- And here we have Nixon.  He's not a crook...
These are both in very good condition.
Let me know if you're interested, and to what tune.  ($$)
--
*=-------------------------------------------------------------=*
*    //                                                         *
*   //          Todd Janson.  No group.  Moscow, Idaho          *
* \\/                                                           *
*=-------------------------------------------------------------=*
From: bitzm@columbia.dsu.edu (MICHAEL BITZ)
Subject: I WANT YOUR 486sx or dx CHIPS!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lines: 14
Organization: Dakota State University
Lines: 14
I am in the market for a couple of Intel 486 chips.
Please let me know if you have one (or more) for sale.
I am interested in both SX and DX models, but they
must be Intel.
email me at: bitzm@columbia.dsu.edu
------------------------------------------------------------
Mike Bitz                   Internet: bitzm@columbia.dsu.edu
Research and Development              bitzm@dsuvax.dsu.edu
Dakota State University       Bitnet: s93020@sdnet.bitnet
From: littaum@atlantis.CSOS.ORST.EDU (Mike Littau)
Subject: Final Public Dragon Magazine Update (Last chance for public bids)
Keywords: Dragon Magazine Auction Bid
Article-I.D.: leela.1qs7o4$c2r
Distribution: usa
Organization: CS Dept. Oregon State University, Corvallis, Oregon.
Lines: 170
NNTP-Posting-Host: atlantis.csos.orst.edu
This is the final public update to my dragon magazine auction.  If there
are no new bids then the current bids stand (like that's gonna  happen.  :) ).
After this, any updates will be by E-mail *ONLY*.  The entire auction
will end as soon as the bids stop coming in.  So if you want to get in
on  this, be sure to bid now.  All bids must be made in *AT LEAST*
25 cent increments.  Buyer will pay shipping.  (Unless you have any
particular fancy, it will be US mail 4th class special, with lots of
padding).
All dragons are bagged.  The condition of them vary quite a bit,
so I've come up with my own condition system.  Some dragons may be missing
items like the inserts.  If you have any questions, feel free to ask.
*
Condition ratings - Usually this is just an evaluation of the cover, as
most of the material inside is in great shape.
Excellent - IE-"As you find them in the store"
Very Good - Still in great condition, but can tell it's been boughten
Good      - On down the line
Very Fair/fair - indicates lots of use (But still "decent")
Poor      -  Indicates the material inside may be damaged (usually by
scissors).
A * by the condition indicates that something from the magazine is
missing (usually the insert)
I'll post another public update sometime this weekend (which will be the
final public posting, after which the auction will be by e-mail until
the bidding stops)
*
Again if you have any questions, ask away.
*
arrow      $2.50 056 - Fair     *- Top secret module missing - Bard tunes -
real maps
TN.DE7     $3.0  073 - Good      - Forest of Doom module (detached but
included) - inner planes
ykchev     $1.75 074 - Good     *- Combat computer missing - 4 dragons
TN.DE7     $1.50 078 - Good/VG   - Monsters - aquatic AD&D module (detached
but included) - Language lesson
geoffrey   $1.50 079 - Good/VG   - top secret module (detached but
included) - magic resistance
mayla      $2.50 081 - Fair      - High level AD&D module (detached but
included) - poison - material spell components
UCCXKVB    $2.00 082 - Very Fair*- Baton races game insert missing - spell
research
TN.DE7     $1.50 083 - Good/VG   - Babba Yagga's Hut module (detached but
included) - unarmed combat
geoffrey   $1.50 084 - Fair     *- Cover missing - Twofold talisman module
squidly    $1.75 085 - Good      - Twofold Talisman module - Clerics
squidly    $1.75 087 - Good      - Top secret module - Wildernes
geoffrey   $1.50 088 - Good     *- Elefant Hunt insert missing - Falling
damage - MARVEL-Phile
geoffrey   $1.50 089 - Good     *- Creature catalog missing - Shields - sci fi
TN.DE7     $1.5  094 - Good      - Ranger changes - Creature catalog II
(detached but included)
geoffrey   $1.50 095 - Fair     *- Cover missing - Into the Forgotten Realms
module, detached but included
ykcheu     $2.75 098 - Fair      - 9th anniversary - Dragons - mutant manual
UCCXKVB    $1.75 099 - Poor     *- Cover Missing - Treasure trove II, some
pictures cut out
thedm      $2.50 100 - Good     *- poster missing - city beyond the gate
module (detached but included) - "raised dragon" texture on cover
geoffrey   $1.50 101 - Fair     *- Cover missing - creature catalog III
(detached but included)
geoffrey   $1.50 102 - Fair     *- Cover missing - Valley of earth mother
middle level module (detached but included)
geoffrey   $1.50 103 - Fair     *- Cover loosly attached - Unearth arcana
update missing - Future of AD&D - Centaur papers
geoffrey   $1.50 103 - Fair     *- Unearth arcana update missing
geoffrey   $1.50 104 - Fair/VF   - Marvel module - thieves - cover detached
but included
geoffrey   $1.50 105 - Fair      - AD&D module - invisibility - cover & back
cover detached but included
UCCXKVB    $2.00 106 - Fair      - Cover 1/2 on - variations of paladins -
more skills 4 rangers
ykcheu     $2.75 106 - Good/VG   - Variations of paladins - more skills for
rangers
arrow      $2.50 107 - Fair     *- Cover missing - Dragons of glory
supplement/questionaire
geoffrey   $1.50 108 - Good      - Mutant manual II - environmental
effects - cover taped reinforced
thedm      $2.00 108 - Very Good - Mutant manual II - environmental effects
ykcheu     $2.25 109 - Good      - Customizing D&D classes - Agent 13 poster
geoffrey   $1.50 109 - Very Fair - Customizing D&D classes - Agent 13 poster
missing
geoffrey   $1.50 110 - Very Good - House on the frozen lands module -10th anniv
squidly    $1.75 110 - Very Good - House on the frozen lands module -10th anniv
geoffrey   $1.50 111 - Good      - Murder Mystery AD&D module
ykcheu     $2.50 112 - Very Good - Ultimate Article Index - Mesozoic monsters
mayla      $2.50 114 - Very Fair - Elven Cavalier - remorhaz - Witch NPC class
ykcheu     $1.75 115 - Good      - Theives - harpies & snakes
squidly    $1.75 116 - Good/VG   - 3-D ship cardboard insert - wild
animals - dr who
UCCXKVB    $2.50 117 - Good/VG   - Dice odds - creative campaigns - sage
advice - bazaar
geoffrey   $1.50 118 - Good      - Tournaments/Competitions - Nibar's keep game
UCCXKVB    $2.00 120 - VG/EX     - April fool's issue
UCCXKVB    $2.00 121 - Excellent - Oriental adventures - cardboard castle
insert
geoffrey   $1.50 122 - Excellent - 11th aniversary - African beasts - druids
UCCXKVB    $2.50 123 - Very Good - Magic and wizardry
thedm      $2.25 123 - Very Good - Magic and wizardry
arrow      $2.5  124 - Excellent - Aerial adventures - 2nd edition ?aire
UCCXKVB    $2.25 124 - Excellent - Aerial adventures - 2nd edition ?aire
geoffrey   $1.50 125 - Very Good - Clay-O-Rama! - Chivalry - quasi elementals
geoffrey   $1.50 125 - VG/EX     - Clay-O-Rama! - Chivalry - Quasi-elementals
UCCXKVB    $2.50 126 - VG/EX     - Undead
UCCXKVB    $2.00 127 - Very Good - Fighters
2FVPMANTEL $3.00 128 - Good      - King's Table insert game
2FVPMANTEL $3.00 129 - Excellent - Demi-humans
UCCXKVB    $2.50 130 - VG/EX     - The arcane arts
TFPAYN01   $2.50 131 - Excellent - Deepearth
arrow      $1.5  131 - VG/EX     - Deepearth
UCCXKVB    $2.0  132 - Very Good - ORCWARS! board game missing
arrow      $1.5  133 - Very Good - Berserkers & Spies-Roman gods -marvel index
geoffrey   $1.50 133 - Very Good - Berserkers & Spies-Roman gods -marvel index
2FVPMANTEL $3.00 134 - VG/EX     - 12 anniversary - Dragons
tbh1       $2    135 - Very Good - Archers - Space sage advice
UCCXKVB    $2.0  135 - Very Good - Archers - Space Sage advice
tbh1       $4.0  136 - Very Good - Cities & Urban adventures
tbh1       $3    137 - Excellent - Wilderness
arrow      $1.5  138 - Very Good - Horror (Haloween)
UCCXKVB    $3.25 139 - Very Good - Pages from the Mages
UCCXKVB    $3.5  140 - Excellent - Clerics & Healers
tbh1       $3    141 - Good      - Humanoids
tbh1       $2    142 - Very Good - AD&D 2nd edition preview
UCCXKVB    $3.25 143 - Very Good - DM's issue
UCCXKVB    $2.00 145 - Very Good*- Poster missing - castles
thedm      $2.5  146 - Very Good*- Poster missing - 13 anninversary - Dragons
tbh1       $3.00 147 - Excellent - MAGUS! board game - magic
tbh1       $3.5  148 - Excellent - Fighting - Deck of Many things insert
TN.DE7     $2.0  149 - Excellent - (No particular feature)
TN.DE7     $2.00 150 - Excellent - Horror (Halloween issue)
TN.DE7     $2.00 151 - Excellent - Oriental Adventures/Eastern
TN.DE7     $2.00 152 - Good     *- Underdark - Poster missing is inside-
slight crumple on cover, only noticable under inspection
TN.DE7     $2.0  153 - Very Good - Gods
TN.DE7     $1.75 154 - Good/VG   - Poster - Dragonlance story - War
TN.DE7     $2.00 155 - Excellent - Faeries - DUNGEON module
TN.DE7     $1.75 157 - Very Good - Buck Rogers
thedm      $2.00 158 - Very Good - 14th anniversary - Dragons
UCCXKVB    $2.00 159 - Excellent - Spelljammer - Poster missing
kohlmaas   $2.00 160 - Good/VG  *- Urban adventures - AD&D trading card
insert missing
UCCXKVB    $2.25 161 - Very Good - DM issue
TN.DE7     $1.75 162 - Good      - Haloween - Poster missing
thedm      $2.0  163 - Excellent - Monsterous compendum insert - Magic
TN.DE7     $2.0  164 - Very Good - Oriental Adventures
TN.DE7     $1.75 165 - VG/EX     - Sea/Undersea
TN.DE7     $1.75 166 - Excellent*- Sci Fi (other games) - Dino wars insert
missing
TN.DE7     $1.75 167 - Excellent - Nature/Wilderness
UCCXKVB    $2.5  169 - Very Good - Slight crease of back cover - Misc
items featured
thedm      $2.5  170 - Good      - Slight crease in cover - Dragon kings game
insert - Dragons - 15th anniversary issue
UCCXKVB    $2.00 171 - Excellent*- Missing poster & trading cards (ARGH!)
Cfrye      $2.75 172 - Excellent - Underdark
hachiman   $2    173 - Excellent - Dark Sun
intravai   $2    174 - Excellent - Horror
intravai   $3.00 175 - Excellent - World building - Campaign help
TN.DE7     $2.00 176 - Excellent - Elves - Giant poster inside
TN.DE7     $1.5  177 - Very Good - Calender poster - DM help (gunpowder too)
intravai   $3.0  178 - Excellent - Fighters & the Fighter class
TN.DE7     $2.50 179 - Excellent - GENCON form - Magic items featured
TN.DE7     $2.50 181 - Excellent - Calendar Poster - Mages/Sorcerors
TN.DE7     $2.50 182 - Excellent - 16 anniversary issue - Dragons
TN.DE7     $2.50 184 - Excellent - Non Player Character enhancement
TN.DE7     $1.75 185 - Excellent - Dark Sun Campaign Monsters - Dark Sun
geoffrey   $1.50 186 - Excellent - Haloween - Horror
TN.DE7     $1.75 187 - Excellent - Wilderness - Outdoors
If you notice any errors, please let me know (other than slight name
misspellings, if it's close to your name, that's you. :)  )
From: Harry Powell Watson <hw26+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Boss Guitar Pedal
Organization: Freshman, Design, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Lines: 5
NNTP-Posting-Host: po3.andrew.cmu.edu
In-Reply-To: <C4vu72.D18@smsc.sony.com>
For Sale:
One Boss Turbo Overdrive Pedal for guitar, bass, or keyboards--$35
or best offer. Thanks!! Respond to hw26 or call 268-4841.
Harry
From: steveg@ravel.udel.edu (Steven N Gaudino)
Subject: Dbase IV for sale (price dropped!)
Nntp-Posting-Host: ravel.udel.edu
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: usa
Lines: 3
Dbase IV, ver 1.5, 3.5 disks.  Manuals still shrinkwrapped, and all
registration materials present.  Asking $125.
From: Charles P. Cox, Jr. <cox@snowhite.eeap.cwru.edu>
Subject: PC stuff forsale
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
Lines: 44
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: b61506.student.cwru.edu
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d17
X-XXMessage-ID: <A7F733DEFC01F042@b61506.student.cwru.edu>
X-XXDate: Sun, 18 Apr 93 21:35:42 GMT
I have the following items for sale.
Buyer pays the shipping costs.
Hardware is new and unused unless marked otherwise.
All software includes original disks and manuals.
No reasonable offers refused.
Send offers/questions to cpc3@po.cwru.edu
Hardware
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Hercules Graphics Card - mono graphics and printer ports
Hercules Color Card -  color graphics and printer ports
Teac 1.2MB 5.25"  floppy drive - doesn't work, sold as is for reapir or
parts
IBM ASYNC card - serial card for PC/XT/AT machines, comes with support
software
Kraft KC10 joystick - works with PC compatibles and Apple II series (not
Mac)
360K 5.25" floppy disks - over 200 bulk-grade disks
2 floppy disk storage boxes - each holds 60 5.25" disks, one has a lock
on it
Software
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Microsoft Macro Assembler 5.0 and 5.1 update - large manual and tutorial
included
Sideways 3.0 - rotates wide spreadsheets 90 degrees to print on 1 page
Games
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WolfPack - WWII submarine simultaion
Space Station Oblivion - arcade-style game similar to Spectre
Demon Stalkers - dungeon game, like Gauntlet
Zork II, Moonmist, Ballyhoo - Infocom adventure/mystery games
Jack Nicklaus' Unlimited Golf and Course Design - excellent golf game
War In Middle Earth - similar to D&D games, based on Tolkien's "The
Hobbit"
Sargon 4 - excellent chess game, play against someone or against computer
Silent Service II - submarine simulation
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Charles P. Cox, Jr.
Computer Engineering
Case Western Reserve University
cpc3@po.cwru.edu
From: oauld@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Orion Auld)
Subject: 386-40 for $500!
Organization: University of North Texas
Lines: 18
FOR SALE: ****************************************************************
386-40 with VGA Color Monitor, dual floppy, VGA card with 1MB on board, joystick,
mouse, 2 MB RAM, no hard drive.
FOR ONLY $500!  Respond quickly!
--
***** Orion Auld *****     *----------------------------------------------*
"We are only fabulous      |     If you're not part of the solution,      |
beasts, after all."       |       You're part of the precipitate.        |
-- John Ashberry          *----------------------------------------------*
Subject: Joe Venuti Record Wanted
From: rbrooks@eis.calstate.edu (Richard J. Brooks)
Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services
Lines: 7
If anyone has Joe Venuti's record "Fiddle on Fire" and would like to sell it
please contact me.
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Richard J. Brooks (El Cerrito, CA)      Internet: rbrooks@eis.calstate.edu
CompuServe: 71121,3406                  Internet: 71121.3406@compuserve.com
From: cow@eng.umd.edu (Thomas L. Fortin)
Subject: 1992 honda accord
Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park
Lines: 11
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: pepsi.eng.umd.edu
1992 HONDA ACCORD FOR SALE
35,000 MILES
ALL HIGHWAY MILES
EXCELLENT CONDITION
WHITE
EX MODEL "LOADED"
$15,000 OR BEST OFFER
call tom @ (201) 653-0638 h
(201) 795-5636 w
From: mark@ardsley.business.uwo.ca (Mark Bramwell)
Subject: Re: Cellular Phone (Portable) for sale
Organization: Western Business School
Distribution: usa
Summary: Takes longer than 24 hours
Nntp-Posting-Host: home-pc1.business.uwo.ca
Lines: 19
>
>I hope you realize that for a cellular phone, you need to subscribe to a
>Cellular carrier, and it usually takes at least one working day before
>the service is available to you. Only then you can find out whether
>the phone is working.
>
>Tin
>
Not true.  Dial 811 and listen to the recording.  If you get it, then your
phone was recognized by the network.  You wouldn't be able to dial a real
number yet (of course!)
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Mark Bramwell, VE3PZR                Located in sunny London, Ontario
Internet: Mark@ARDSLEY.business.uwo.ca  IP Address: 129.100.29.33
Packet:  VE3PZR @ VE3GYQ               UWO Phone: (519) 661-3714
From: kayd@prism.CS.ORST.EDU (Kayd)
Subject: Texas Star DX350 Linear Amplifier or Tornado 100 Linear $150/$100
Keywords: 10m linear amplifier watts HF
Article-I.D.: flop.1qshlgINNb3n
Distribution: usa
Organization: Oregon State University, Computer Science Dept.
Lines: 16
NNTP-Posting-Host: prism.cs.orst.edu
Looking for an amateur radio operator that needs a variable power linear
amplifier for 2-30MHz.  Looks and works like new.  Runs off 12v for mobile
use.  Input: 5-10 watts  Output: ~175 watts AM, ~350 watts PEP SSB.
I need $150 out of it.
If that's too much, I also have a Tornado 100 that takes 5w in and
100/250w out for $100.
Reply with your callsign, address and phone number for verification of license.
Prices do NOT include shipping/packaging.
Darrek Kay
Kayd@Prism.cs.orst.edu
(503)737-9410
KB7RVD
From: danj@iat.holonet.net (dana james)
Subject: trade my 14.4k modem for your PC/XT
Organization: HoloNet National Internet Access System: 510-704-1058/modem
Lines: 20
Trade your old PC for my new modem.
Modem comes with coupond good for travel to/from Europe.
14.4 v.42bis modem
MODEM FEATURES:
MNP5 2-to-1 Compression & Error Correction
V.42bis 4-to-1 Compression & Error Correction
CCITT V.32bis Compatible (14.4k bps)
CCITT V.32 Compatible (9.6k bps)
CCITT V.22bis Compatible (2.4k bps)
AT Command Set Compatible
Compatible with IBM PC/XT/AT/386's and Compatibles
Bundled with Communications Software
PC Bus interface
Two RJ11C Connectors:  Phone and Line
e-mail:
danj@holonet.net
From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Subject: ST (TOS) and SF Movie Videotapes (BETA) for Sale/Trade [repost]
Summary: trade for other Beta, used CD's or barter other merchandise
Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: PhDs In The Hall
Distribution: na
Lines: 52
nyamane@nyx.cs.du.edu (Norm Yamane) writes:
>
>I have the following videos for sale.  All have been viewed once
>and are in good condition:
>
>Star Trek (TOS) Collector's Edition
>       All 79 episodes. (39 tapes)  Asking $800 for the lot.
I've got 7 episodes left on *Beta* for Sale at US$8 each (neg.), or
for Trade 1-for-1 for movie on Beta or a used CD; or, a package deal
for $50 or whatever you care to propose in trade -- e.g., all for a
set of good stereo headphones (e.g. Sony V6 or V7), an Apple IWII
sheet feeder, a good used FM/Cassette stereo "walkman" or a hotel
coupon(s) for free stays FOB New York City (guests coming!)).  The
remaining collection is as follows:
8 - Charlie X
11 - Dagger of the Mind
12 - Miri
17 - Shore Leave
20 - The Alternative Factor
29 - Operation-Annihilate!
33 - Who Mourns for Adonais?
Numbers indicate episode numbering on the tape boxes, for those who
are keeping track of what episodes they're missing in that manner.
RSVP for summaries, if necessary.
The tapes are all in excellent condition in the original packaging.
All have been played at least once, but most have been played ONLY
once, and NONE have been played more than twice. Running time: ~50
min. ea.  (Unedited, uncut store-bought originals unlike those in
syndication; all have *incredible* Beta HiFi sound!)
I also have the following SF and Horror movies on Beta as well; US$10
(negotiable) or Trade (1-for-1 swap for movie on Beta or a used CD):
The Bride (Sting, Jennifer Beales)
*       Buck Rogers Conquers the Universe (Buster Crabbe, Constance Moore)
RSVP for my larger Beta movies/music trade list, or find it on Misc.forsale!
gld
PS: For those of you who may wonder, Beta is alive as a pro/hobbyist
format ... there's life beyond the corner video store! (-;
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Gary L. Dare
> gld@columbia.EDU 			GO  Winnipeg Jets  GO!!!
> gld@cunixc.BITNET			Selanne + Domi ==> Stanley
From: ychen@hubcap.clemson.edu (Eric Chen)
Subject: NEC Multisync Plus for MAC & PC $250
Organization: Clemson University, Clemson SC
Lines: 8
NEC Multisync Plus, model # JC-1501VMA, 15", 960x720, $250 + shipping.
Price is frim.  Do not send me an emai if your offer is less than my
asking.
Thank you.
Yuesea
From: danj@iat.holonet.net (dana james)
Subject: Re: trade my 14.4k modem for your PC/XT
Organization: HoloNet National Internet Access System
Lines: 5
email your replies to:
danj@holonet.net
Subject: *** New Computer Books for Sale ***
From: mparikh@uceng.uc.edu (Mehul Parikh)
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Lines: 15
Hi!
I have several computer related books for sale. They are all new,
unused and hence in excellent condition. The subjects include
Programming Languages (C, C++, LISP, PROLOG), Operating Systems
(UNIX, DOS), Windows, X-Windows, LAN, AI, and Expert Systems.
If you are interested, pls. contact me at:
parikhma@ucunix.san.uc.edu
Thanks.
-M. Parikh
From: laird@pasture.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird)
Subject: WANTED: HP ScanJet (and ADF)
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Lines: 10
I need some used scanners.  I'm limiting my selection to HP models
with document feeders.  I think this means the ScanJet Plus and the
ScanJet IIc.
so...if you have one of these and want to sell it, please tell me.
--kyler
P.S.  I need only one with a Mac interface; the others are for IBM-PC
compatibles.
From: bitzm@columbia.dsu.edu (MICHAEL BITZ)
Subject: Adlib sound board for sale!
Lines: 17
Organization: Dakota State University
Lines: 17
I have an Adlib sound board for sale.  It includes
the original disks, and I'll throw in a Windows 3.1
.WAV sound file driver.  For those of you that are
using your PC Speaker for games, this will be a much
welcomed board for your PC!
$70.00 includes shipping to your home or office.
Email: bitzm@columbia.dsu.edu
------------------------------------------------------------
Mike Bitz                   Internet: bitzm@columbia.dsu.edu
Research and Development              bitzm@dsuvax.dsu.edu
Dakota State University       Bitnet: s93020@sdnet.bitnet
From: sandy47@cats.ucsc.edu ()
Subject: Laserdisks Forsale - $20
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
Lines: 97
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: si.ucsc.edu
The following laserdisks are in used but "like-new" condition:
Category	Title						Price
=========================================================================
Horror		Rabid Grannies					20.00
"A blood-spattered tale of two little old
ladies who open a surprise package from Hell."
CLV Side 2 CAV  88 min.
Horror		Forbidden World					20.00
"Subject 20 is half-human, and one of the
researchers is the father."  Roger Corman, Prod.
CLV 77 min.
Horror		Horror Planet					20.00
"An alien creature has been waiting for a
million years to breed, and its time has come."
CLV 93 min.
Horror		WitchTrap					20.00
"...and in the upstairs shower, we have the
sexy Ms. Ginger Kowowski and this is where all
the chillingly frightful fun comes to a head."
CLV 92 min.
Murder 		Bikini Island					20.00
"Swimwear Illustrated needs a cover girl and
the competition is fierce, very fierce.
CLV 85 min.
Comedy		Hysterical					20.00
"It's a blend of timeless farce, contemporary
satire, nonsensical sight gags and dead people
singing and dancing."  Hudson Brothers
CLV 90 min.
Comedy		Hollywood Hot Tubs 2				20.00
"Valley Girl, Crystal, is back in another
superheated frolic through those "Hollywood
Hot Tubs"."  CLV 100 min.
Comedy		Beverly Hills Brats				20.00
"Scooter's in trouble now, his kidnappers
don't take credit cards."  Martin Sheen
CLV  90 min.
Comedy		Transylvania 6-5000				20.00
"The good citizens of Transylvania invite you
to this, the most frighteningly funny event of
the year."  Ed Begley Jr., Jeff Goldblum
CLV 94 min.
Comedy		Meet the Hollowheads				20.00
"Makes the "Married...With Children" gang look
sane!  Just say NO to butt polish."
CLV 89 min.
Comedy		Don't Tell Mom The Babysitter's Dead		20.00
"No rules.  No curfews.  No nagging.  No pulse.
Home Alone times 5!"   Christina Applegate
CLV 105 min.
Animated	POPEYE at Sea					20.00
"9 hilarious cartoon adventures on the high
seas."
CLV 60 min. Color
Musical		Babes in Toyland				20.00
Disney re-make of the classic with Annette,
Tommy Sands, Ray Bolger, and Ed Wynn.
CLV 105 min.
Action		American Angels	- Baptism of Blood 		20.00
"Meet the first ladies of Wrestling!"
CLV  99 min.
Making of...	Runaway Train/52 Pickup				20.00
"All of the behind the scenes action displayed
for your pleasure."  Jon Voigt  Ann-Margret
CAV 43 min.
Drama		I Posed for Playboy				20.00
"When fantasy meets reality!"  Lynda Carter
CLV 98 min.
Shipping costs of $5.00 per disk ($3.00/disk for 3 disks or more) will be
added to the total.  10% off of orders of 5 or more titles.  No CODs.
MO or checks accepted in advance payment.
Larry McElhiney
(408) 426-5858 x358
mack@mchome.santa-cruz.ca.us
From: sandy47@cats.ucsc.edu ()
Subject: Wargames/magazines Forsale
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
Lines: 107
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: si.ucsc.edu
Discounts!  Please take	$2.00 off each item over $10.00
$1.00 off each item over $ 5.00
Here is the list of magazines, including asking price:
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Strategy & Tactics Magazine (All include unpunched games):
===========================
NEW (52 & 79-90 As mailed with games and all inclusions.)
Issue:	Title:							Asking:
52	Oil War - American Intervention in The Persian Gulf	35.00
79	Berlin '85 - The Enemy at the Gates			20.00
81	Tito - Partisan Army Yugoslavia, 1941-45		20.00
83	Kaiser's Battle - German Offensive March, 1918		20.00
84	Operation Grenade - Rhineland Feb 23-Mar 5, 1945	20.00
89	Sicily - The Race to Messina Jul 10-Aug 17, 1943	20.00
90	The Battle of Monmouth - Colonies take Offensive 1778	20.00
----------End of an Era ---------------------------------------------
NEW (113-127 As mailed with games and all inclusions in envelope.)
Issue:	Title:							Asking:
113	The Battle of Abensberg (Magazine only)			15.00
115     Kanev - Russian Paratroops				15.00
116	Manchu - The Taiping Rebellion				15.00
117	North German Plain - Modern Germany			15.00
118	The Tigers Are Burning - Camp. in the Ukraine '43-44	15.00
120	Nicararagua						15.00
122	Pegasus Bridge - The Beginning of D-Day			15.00
123	Campaigns in the Valley					15.00
124	Fortress Stalingrad - Russian Winter Offensive '42-43	15.00
125	The Far Seas - German Cruiser Operations WWII		15.00
126	Beirut 1982 - Arab Stalingrad				15.00
127	Rush for Glory - War with Mexico 1846-47		15.00
The AH General Magazine:  (Many other articles included in each issue)
=======================
Issue	Title				Asking  Vol. #
7-80    Crescendo of Doom               8.00  	17/2
11-80	Fortress Europa			8.00  	17/4
1-81	Circus Maximus			8.00  	17/5
3-81	Stalingra			8.00  	17/6
5-81	Bismark, Squad Leader Clinic 	8.00  	18/1
Campaign Magazine: (Many other articles included in each issue)
=================
Issue	Title				Asking
97	Crescendo of Doom		 8.00
101	Cross of Iron			 8.00
102	Counterstroke at Inchon		 8.00
104	Squad Leader Variant		 8.00
106	GDW's 1941			 8.00
108     Battle for Leyte Gulf	         8.00
All magazine prices include postage.  ALL ISSUES ARE IN NEW OR LIKE-NEW
CONDITION.
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Games and Books:
===============
Yaquinto Publications, Inc.:
===========================
Attack of the Mutants - Introductory Game			$ 5.00
(Unpunched, new.)
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The Complete Book of Wargames (out of print)			$30.00
--------------------------------------------
Author:  Jon Freeman
(Part 1 Introduction 75 pages -
including Ch. 4 Kassala: An Introductory Wargame)
(Complete information on over 150 wargames as of 1980)
[hardcover, 285 pages, large format]
---
Shipping extra on books and games.
Prefer money orders for payment, I'll allow personal checks to clear before
shipping.
Larry
Larry McElhiney
1385 7th Avenue #10
Santa Cruz, CA 95062
(408)426-5858 x 358 (w)
(408)475-8027       (h)
From: karu@nevada.edu (NARANAPITI KARUNARATNE)
Subject: Software and Hardware FOR SALE
Nntp-Posting-Host: helios.nevada.edu
Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services
Lines: 21
I have the following items for sale:
Animation Works software for Macintosh by Gold Disk
This is a brand new shrink-wrapped copy
Microsoft Excel for Windows Ver. 4.0
Opened, but includes everything including Registration card
Video7 FastWrite VGA card. 512 video memory. 800x600 resolution.
Everex 2400b internal modem.
Video card and the modem are used items.
If you are interested make a reasonable offer. I wish to ship these
UPS COD.
Please email me at karu@nevada.edu.
Thank you.
Karu.
karu@nevada.edu
From: dwilson@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (David Wilson)
Subject: Need APARTMENT/ROOM in BOSTON
Lines: 10
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA
Lines: 10
I will be in Boston (Cambridge specifically) working this summer
and am in need of a place to stay. If you have a room to sublease, or
anything of the sort I would appreciate a mail.
I am a 20-year old white male and am very flexible. I can adapt to a smoking
or non-smoking environment. Access to the 'T' would be nice, though I will
have a car thus need a parking space.
I would need this from late May or early June until aproximately end of July.
Any responses welcome.
_Mike_ mbeck@vtssi.vt.edu
From: dwilson@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (David Wilson)
Subject: COMPUTER/AUDIO/VIDEO/FURNITURE needed as of 4/18
Lines: 60
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA
Lines: 60
Unless otherwise noted, I am mainly interested in USED items.
If you have (any of) the following for sale, please contact me:
EMail           mbeck@vtssi.vt.edu
Phone           (703)552-4381
USMail          Michael Beck
1200 Progress Street #5500E
Blacksburg, Virginia 24060
Please give as much info as possible (brand, age, condition, etc)
~~~~~~~~~~WANTED as of 12AM, 4/16/93~~~~~~~~~~
COMPUTER EQUIP:
1       CHEAP tape drive - pretty much any kind (Used)
1       Memory for PS/2 Model 50Z (New or Used)
1       Macintosh computer
1       486 66mhz chip (New or Used)
1       COLORADO tape drive, 250 megabyte, preferr. w/ 5 tapes (Used)
1       101 key-AT keyboard
1       High Density (1.2 mb) 5 1/4 disk drive
1       Printer - OMS410 or HP LASER or HP DESKJET series
1       Printer - 24 pin or DESKJET
1       High Density (1.2 mb) 5 1/4 disk drive EXTERNAL
1       Adaptec 1542 SCSI 16-bit HD/FD controller (Used)
1       Piggy back memory expansion for INTEL INBOARD 386
1       130 MB IDE Hard Drive
2       17" monitor, 1280 resolution, .28 dot pitch or better, digital
NON-COMPUTER EQUIP:
1       drum set
mult.   amps for a band
1       TV - 27" or bigger, stereo
1       VCR - 4 Heads, stereo
1       Receiver - 100 Watts or more w/ Dolby Prologic Surround Sound
capability
1       Bed - Full or Queen sized - LOCAL OFFERS only, please
1       Desk - LOCAL OFFERS only, please due to shipping constraints
From: dwilson@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (David Wilson)
Subject: VIDEOCAMERA, AMIGA 3000, HP THINKJET For Sale as of 4/18
Lines: 49
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA
Lines: 49
If you are interested in (any of) the following, please contact me:
EMail           mbeck@vtssi.vt.edu
Phone           (703)552-4381
USMail          Michael Beck
1200 Progress Street #5500E
Blacksburg, Virginia 24060
~~~~~~~~~~FOR SALE as of 12AM 4/16/93~~~~~~~~~~
1       PANASONIC AF X8 CCD OmniMovie Camcorder
VHS HQ
High Speed Shutter
Flying Erase Head
ca. 3 years old, but only used VERY lightly
Date/Time stamp
Counter/Memory
Rec Review
Fade
Back Light
Auto/Manual Focus
Built in microphone/Jack for external microphone
Comes with:
Sturdy aluminum/hardplastic carrying case
(20" long X 13" wide X 6" high)
Shoulder strap
Power adaptor/battery charger
Battery pack
Remote recording controller
UHF/VHF ---> cable adaptor
Audio/Video cables and adaptor
Aproximate dimensions (measured around outmost features)
15" long X 4" wide X 8" high (w/ handle)
ASKING PRICE:  $BEST OFFER so far $350, but looking for more
($700 new price)
1       AMIGA 3000UX    25mhz, unix compatible machine w/100 meg Hard
Drive, 4 meg RAM, no monitor, keyboard (ESC and ~ keys
broken)
ASKING PRICE:   $1500 OBO.
1       Hewlett Packard ThinkJet Printer w/ HP-IB interface
Like NEW in original box
ASKING PRICE:   $250 OBO.
SOLD!!     AT&T Portable Cellular Phone, Model 3730
ASKING PRICE:   $SOLD FOR $350 (Listed at $600 new)
SOLD!!  COMPAQ LTE/286 laptop - contact for details
BEST OFFER SO FAR $SOLD FOR $475
From: ac999135@umbc.edu (ac999135)
Subject: *** WANTED: Cheap Used GAMEBOY/TG-16 Games ***
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus
Lines: 7
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: umbc8.umbc.edu
X-Auth-User: ac999135
The title says it all...If you have some cheap used
GAMEBOY or TG-16 (2 Player or more) Games, Please
email me all offers...
Rohit
From: chungy2@aix.rpi.edu (Yau Felix Chung)
Subject: Technical books for sale
Nntp-Posting-Host: aix.rpi.edu
Lines: 39
Hello.  I have the following for sale.  Most of the books are
in perfect condition.  If interested please e-mail to chungy2@rpi.edu.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Through The Telescope (hard cover)				$14.00
Surface Physics (soft cover)					$13.00
The Physics of Structurally Disordered
Matter: An Introduction	(soft cover)			$55.00
Subatomic Physics (hard cover)					$57.00
A First General Relativity (hard cover)				$20.00
Non-Equilibrium Thermodynamics (soft cover)			$8.00
Advances in Atomic and Molecular Physics.  Vol 1. (hard cover)	$30.00
Advances in Atomic and Molecular Physics.  Vol 3. (hard cover)	$30.00
Molecular Beams (hard cover)					$15.00
Molecular Beams and Reaction Kinetics. (hard cover)		$20.00
Perturbation Methods in Applied Mathematics. (hard cover)	$40.00
Elementary Differential Equations and
Boundary Value Problems. (hard cover)			$27.00
Vector Mechanics for Engineers: Statics
and Dynamics. (hard cover)				$30.00
Free-Electron Lasers. (hard cover)				$20.00
Physical Mechanics. (hard cover)				$15.00
From: radley@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Keith Radley)
Subject: Electronics
Summary: VCR and AMP
Nntp-Posting-Host: gibbs.oit.unc.edu
Organization: University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
Distribution: usa
Lines: 18
Curtis Mathes VHS VCR Remote included and it works with universal remotes.
2 heads, Works great but I replaced it with a Stereo VCR.
paid $300 years ago, will sell for $125 delivered OBO.
Radio Shack stereo amp.  2 inputs, tone, and left and right volume.  Speakers
not included.  Compact 12W unit for $20 plus shipping.  Great for Amiga
Stereo output or Soundblaster output.
If you are interested in either of the above mail me, Keith, at
radley@gibbs.oit.unc.edu or call me at 919-968-7779.
I did have these sold but both deals fell thru so if you are still
interested in either email or call me.
_
_  //       Major: Computer Science              /<eith Radley
\\//        Minor:     English              Radley@gibbs.oit.unc.edu
\/      Computer:   AMIGA 3000           University of North Carolina
From: fields@cis.ohio-state.edu (jonathan david fields)
Subject: Misc Stuff for Sale
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Lines: 38
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: frigate.cis.ohio-state.edu
Misc. Items for sale:
Mount Plate:  Sony Model CPM-203P, mounting plate for Sony portable CD players
for Portable: plugs into car lighter, snaps onto the bottom of any Sony
CD Player:    Portable CD player, perfect condition. Will also throw in a
cassette adapter in SO SO condition.
Paid $45...............Asking $30.
Car Speakers:	Sherwood 5 1/4" two way car speakers, in car for 7 months,
5 1/4 inch:	excellent condition, Paid $65............Asking $40.
4 inch:	    Factory Speakers from Toyota excellent condition Asking $20.
Nintendo:   Nintendo Game Boy, Light Boy, Tetris, Super Mario Land,
Gameboy:    NFL Football, Castlevania Adventure, Hyper Lode Runner, 4 years
+ games:    old	all in working condition, Asking $70.
Accessories:
Whole Internet:	The Whole Internet: User's Guide and Catalog by ED Krol,
book:		guide to using the internet, where to fing information and
resources.   Paid $30..........Asking $20.
MicroSoft:    Never Used, came with my computer, Asking $30.
Visual Basic:
MicroSoft: 	   Came with my computer, never used, Asking $100.
Word for Windows:
Thanks,
Jonathan D. Fields
fields@cis.ohio-state.edu
From: mkbaird@david.wheaton.edu (marcus k baird)
Subject: CD-ROMS 4-SALE (NEW)  UPDATE!!!
Organization: Wheaton College, IL
Lines: 102
I'm looking to find some people interested in getting some cd-rom's. Below
is a list with their prices. If you are interested in any of these, send me
some mail and I can guarantee this price. If you are not local their will be
a shipping cost, and cod cost if you prefer it to be shipped that way.
Marcus
Updated prices from last post.
American Business Phonebook             DOS             $20.00
Animals                                 DOS             $30.00
Animals                                 MPC             $18.00
Audoban Birds                           DOS             $20.00
Audoban Mammals                         DOS             $20.00
Barney Bear Goes to School              DOS             $30.00
Bible Library                           DOS             $45.00
Bibles and Religion                     DOS             $15.00
Book of Lists                           DOS             $30.00
Britannicas Family Choice               DOS             $23.00
Britamrica Select                       DOS             $24.33
Business & Economics                    DOS             $19.00
Business Backgrounds                    DOS             $20.00
Business Master                         DOS             $20.00
Carmen San Diego (Where is ...)         MPC             $22.00
CD PLay/Launch                          DOS             $25.00
CD ROM  Software Jukebox                DOS             $20.00
CIA Vorld Taur                          DOS             $35.00
Chess Master 3000 MPC                   DOS             $20.00
CLassic Collection                      DOS             $40.00
CLipert Goliath 	                DOS             $15.00
Colossal Cookbook                       DOS             $15.00
DeLorme's Atlas USA                     WIN             $25.00
Desert Storm                            MPC             $25.00
Deathstar Arcade Battles                DOS             $15.00
Dictionaries & Language                 DOS             $15.00
Education Master                        DOS             $20.00
ELectronic Home Library                 DOS             $35.00
Family Doctor                           DOS             $16.00
Family Encyclopedia by Comptons         DOS             $49.00
Family Encyclopedia by Comptons         MPC             $49.00
Game Master                             DOS             $15.00
Game Pack II                            DOS             $25.00
Golden Immortal                         DOS             $25.00
Great Cities of the World               DOS             $25.00
Greet Cities of the World               MPC             $30.00
Great Cities of the World II            DOS             $25.00
Great Cities of the World II            MPC             $30.00
Groliers Encyclopedia                   DOS             $40.00
Groliers Encyclopedia                   MPC             $40.00
Guiness Disc 1992                       DOS             $13.00
Ham Radio		                DOS             $15.00
Information USA	                        DOS	        $35.00
Islands Designs		       	        DOS	        $20.00
Jets & Props                            DOS	        $18.00
Jones ... Fast Lane		        DOS/MPS	        $17.00
KGB/CIA  World Fact Book	        DOS	        $25.00
Kings  Quest  5:	                DOS/MPC         $20.00
Library of the  Future	                DOS	        $90.00
Loom			                DOS	        $22.00
MPC  Wizard		                MPC	        $15.00
MacMillan  Kids  Dictionary	        MPC             $48.00
Magazine  Rack		                DOS	        $25.00
Majestic  Places		        DOS	        $20.00
Mavis Beacon Teaches Typing             MPC	        $35.00
Mixed Up Mother Goose    	        DOS/MPC	        $18.00
Money,Money,Money,                      DOS	        $20.00
Monkey Island	                        DOS             $22.00
Oak CD Stand		                DOS	        $15.00
Our Solar System		        DOS	        $15.00
Presidents		                DOS	        $85.00
Publish It v 3.0                        DOS	        $20.00
Reference  Library		        DOS	        $35.00
Secret  Weapons/Luftwaffe	        MPC	        $22.00
Shereware Games		                DOS	        $35.00
Shereware  Overload		        DOS	        $15.00
Sher Holmes/Consul Det	                MPC	        $35.00
Sleeping  Beauty		        DOS	        $20.00
Strd. CD Software Bundle - 4 Titles     N/A	        $90.00
Stellar  7			        DOS/MPC	        $17.00
Story  Time - Interactive               DOS	        $14.00
The CD  ROM  Collection	                DOS	        $15.00
Time Magazine Almanac Current           DOS	        $22.00
Time Table of Hist/Sci/Innovation	DOS		$25.00
Tons & Gigs				DOS		$49.00
Too Many Typefonts			DOS		$15.00
Total  Baseball				DOS		$30.00
US  Atlas/w Automap			DOS		$22.00
US  History				DOS		$28.00
US/World  Atlas		                DOS/MPC	        $18.00
US Wars:Civil War			DOS		$25.00
Wild Places				DOS		$20.00
Wing Com/Ultima VI			DOS/MPC	        $22.00
World View				DOS		$25.00
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From: Wil.Chin@launchpad.unc.edu (Wilson Chin)
Subject: 386 Motherboard for sale!
Keywords: 386 motherboard computer forsale cheap
Nntp-Posting-Host: lambada.oit.unc.edu
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Lines: 25
I've got a 386 motherboard for sale:
i386-25DX processor w/2Mb RAM
AMI BIOS w/setup
Math Coprocessor socket
8 expansion slots
Full sized motherboard--fits any full-sized case
All manuals included
Make me an offer!
Reason for sale: I've got a new HP workstation to play with now :)
Also: other peripherals (VGA card/moditor, TEAC Disk Drives, printer, etc)
available.
E-mail for more info.
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From: jmatkins@quads.uchicago.edu (Jonny A (Voltron))
Subject: Panasonic dot matrix printer: $165 complete
Reply-To: jmatkins@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: usa
Lines: 41
I would like to sell my dot matrix printer so I can upgrade to inkjet.
It is a "Panasonic KX-P1124 24 pin Multi-Mode Printer".  Here are the
stats (from memory and the manual):
-  360x360 dot-printing for hi-res graphics, etc.
-  VERY fast (up to 192 cps) printing in "printer-controlled" (as
opposed to Windows driver-controlled) printing
-  Bidirectional printing for faster processing speed
-  5 fonts ("courier","prestige","bold ps","script","sans serif")
-  Epson LQ-2500 and IBM Proprinter X24 printer emulation
-  Can accept single sheets, envelopes, and 3 non-carbon copies by
friction feed
-  Front or bottom paper feed
-  6KB buffer
I will send a sample document and a printed GIF/JPEG file to anyone
who wishes to send a SASE.  With purchase (prepaid, please!), I will
include the following accessories:
-  Manual
-  cable (Centronics)
-  remaining stack of tractor-fed paper (about .4")
-  FREE copy of Windows printer driver (unless this is illegal, or if
it is included with Windows)
-  FREE unregistered DOS shareware program ($2 registration, I think)
that apparently offers some word processing capabilities
from DOS
The last two will be on a disk (either size).  I am asking for around
$165, but I am open to any (reasonable) offers.  I am a college
student, so I cannot afford to buy a new printer without getting a
considerable portion of the money from this printer.  This price
includes all above items, and shipping (probably UPS) is included as
well.  I have the original box, but only one of the original Styrofoam
end pieces.  I will use a towel on the other end (you get a free towel
too!!).  Worked fine getting it here.  The whole shebang might not fit
in the original box; I will figure this out after the offers come in.
Email any questions and offers.		-Jon.
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From: clf3678@ultb.isc.rit.edu (C.L. Freemesser)
Subject: *** TurboGrafx-16 system for sale ***
Distribution: na
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Lines: 24
Nntp-Posting-Host: ultb-gw.isc.rit.edu
For sale:
NEC TurboGrafx-16 video game system.  Package includes:
* Base unit:  with power supply, TV hookups, controller, and the games
"Keith Courage in Alpha Zones" and "Ordyne".
* One extra controller
* TurboTap: let's you hook up as many as 5 controllers to the TG16.
* All original packaging, manuals, etc. for the above items.
* The games TV Sports Football, Alien Crush, Splatterhouse, and
Takin' it to the Hoop.
Current market price for the above system is approximately $130.
Asking price is $75.  System was purchased in January of this year, and
has seen little use since then.  If interested, contact me via one of
the methods in my signature file!
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From: jks2x@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (Jason K. Schechner)
Subject: Re: Adlib sound board for sale!
Organization: University of Virginia
Lines: 23
In article <bitzm.133.0@columbia.dsu.edu> bitzm@columbia.dsu.edu (MICHAEL BITZ) writes:
>
>	I have an Adlib sound board for sale.  It includes
>	the original disks, and I'll throw in a Windows 3.1
>	.WAV sound file driver.  For those of you that are
>	using your PC Speaker for games, this will be a much
>	welcomed board for your PC!
>
>	$70.00 includes shipping to your home or office.
>
>	Email: bitzm@columbia.dsu.edu
Considering that you can get a brand new Sounds Blaster
(original) for around $80 I think this price is way too high.  Then
again, things are worth what someone is will to pay for them....
-Jason
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buy some sensible shoes, and a Chevrolet
And party 'till you're broke and they drag you away. It's ok.
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From: chein@eng.auburn.edu (Tsan Heui)
Subject: Softwares, games (New or Used) for sale
Nntp-Posting-Host: wilbur.eng.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Distribution: usa
Lines: 48
I have following softwares for sale:
NEW ITEMS (never opened):
1. Lucid 3-D, three dimensional spreadsheet:
with pull-down menus, on-line help, up to 8 pages of notes behind every
cell for dynamic detail, 3-D capability, compatible with Lotus 1-2-3, etc.
$15 including shipping (manual, 5.25" disks)
2. Turbo Pascal Express
with 250 ready-to-run assembly language routines that make Turbo Pascal
faster, more powerful, and easier to use.
2 5.25" disks and manual
$15 (including shipping)
3. Dr. Halo III
much more than an icon driven paint program - it's a complete page
composition and presentation graphics package. Automatic aspect ratio
correction for WYSIWYG printing. True color or grey scale output and partial    screen prints.
3 5.25" disks and manual
$12 (including shipping)
4. Key Form Designer Plus
software for making professional business forms.
3.5" disks and manual
$25 plus shipping
Like-new items (package is opened but not registered):
1. JetFighter II
Advanced tactical fighter F-23 as well as F-14, F-16, F/A-18, and F-22.
3.25" disks and manuals
$30 plus Shipping OBO
2. Nighthwak F-117A Stealth Fighter 2.0
The definitive simulation of America's radar-elusive jet.
Sensational sound, nine world's "hot spots": Cuba, North Korea, the Kuwaiti T   Theatre of operations, central Europe, the North Cape, Libya, the persian Gul   f, Vietnam and the Middle East. Awesome missions to challenge you.
5.25" disks and manual
$35 plus shipping OBO
3. Grammatik IV - $20 plus shipping
4. Quattro Pro 1.0 - make an offer
5. GEM chart, graphics, word, publisher, ... V.3.0 - make an offer.
All items above are for IBM/compatible systems.
From: Peter Todd Chan <pc1o+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: *REDUCED* Sony CD Players 4 Sale
Organization: Fifth yr. senior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Lines: 21
NNTP-Posting-Host: po5.andrew.cmu.edu
ITEM: Sony ES-CDPX229*
CONDITION: excellent
AGE: 1 year old
PRICE: $300
*includes TOS.LINK
ITEM: Sony CDP 770
CONDITION: excellent
AGE: 2.5 years old
PRICE: $250
Everything comes with the original packaging and manuals. These items have
only been played through audiophile system and are in excellent shape. If you
are interested, or need any additional information, please e-mail
(pc1o@andrew.cmu.edu) or call me at home.
Thanks,
Jon
(412) 882-6425
P.S. Yes, these are for sale again.
From: jonathan@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Mr J J Trevor)
Subject: [Genesis/MegaDrive] Games for sale/trade
Organization: Department of Computing at Lancaster University, UK.
Lines: 23
I have the following Genesis/Megadrive games for sale or trade for other
Genesis/MD (or SNES games). All games will work with both US and UK
machines (50 or 60Hz) except where stated and all are boxed with
instructions
D&D Warriors of the Eternal Sun
Outlander
Death Duel
Chakan the Forever man
Wonder Boy in Monster Land
A.Sennas Super Monaco GP 2 (50Hz only)
Ill accept US$ or UK sterling.
Make me an offer!
Cheers
Jonathan
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From: marc@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Marc Goldman)
Subject: [SNES] [Genesis] Games for sale or trade.
Organization: Department of Computing at Lancaster University.
Lines: 24
I have the following Genesis carts for sale or trade:
Alien 3
Global gladiators
Crue ball
I have the following SNES carts for sale or trade:
Jimmy connors tennis
Super play action football
Cross system trades are fine.
Cheers
Marc
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From: easwarakv@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: CD'S FOR SALE
Lines: 22
Organization: University of Lowell
Th following cd's are for sale. Each cd cost 10$ except otherwise indicated
which includes shipping and handling.
Achtung baby				U2 *
Joshua tree				U2 **
The immaculate collection              Madonna **  $12
Love hurts                              Cher *
Garth brooks                           Garth brooks *
Red hot ..chilli peppers..               **
OOOOOHHHHH				TLC **
Light and shadows			wilson **
* Used only once.
** never used, most of them are still in shrink wraps
Please email to
kGC @ woods.ulowell.edu
From: suraj@apollo.cs.jhu.edu (Suraj Surendrakumar)
Subject: ===> 10 MONTH OLD POLK SPEAKERS FOR SALE <==
Organization: The Johns Hopkins University CS Department
Distribution: usa
Lines: 17
*** 10 MONTH OLD POLK SYSTEM FOR SALE ***
Excellent condition 10 month old (proof available) Polk Monitor 4.6 bookshelf
speakers are being offered for sale. The are excellent, and sound great. I am
going for a higher model. So I need to sell these speakers. I paid $250 for
the pair of bookshelf speakers. I am willing to consider the best offer.
Send me your offers. E-mail: suraj@cs.jhu.edu.
Also have excellent condition Luxman receiver R-351 and Onkyo tape deck
TA-RW404 for sale. Both are in excellent condition and just 10 months old.
Makes an excellent system. Paid $950 for receiver, tape deck and speakers
10 months back, will consider the best offer. Each piece will be sold
seperately if wanted. E-mail best offer to suraj@cs.jhu.edu
-Suraj
From: etuggle@auc.trw.com (Eddie Tuggle)
Subject: Re: UHC SVR4.0.3.6 forsale..
Keywords: UHC, SVR4
Organization: TRW Denver Operations
Lines: 21
In article <C5I0rs.Kzo@gator.rn.com> larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:
>darylm@illian.mnet.com (Daryl V. McDaniel) writes:
...
>
>considering the conversation about UHC on the net, I wouldn't say $1K is
>a good deal -- considering the package is inflated in price to start with
>
>--
>Larry Snyder
>larry@gator.rn.com
What problems have you had with UHC?  I have been using their OS for 2 years
and have had very few problems.
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From: stephen@access.digex.com (stephen balbach)
Subject: SLS Linux for sale disk/tape
Organization: Taylor Balbach Software, Columbia, MD USA
Lines: 41
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net
Keywords: linux sls
Since I have some free time while looking for a job I thought
I would offer Linux on disk and tape for those who need it.
NOTE: I am offering this service for EXPERIENCED users who
require no support.  Simply put I am just a disk shuffler.  If
you think you will need support I HIGHLY recommend
Softlanding Linux System (SLS) directly.  They provide an
excellent product at a decent price with support.
I am the lazy mans service, for those who don't want to spend
4 hours on the modem and 2 hours shuffling floppies.  And
those who don't need SLS support and opt to go it alone.
What you get... each disk is $1.50(5.25)
$1.75(3.5)       (14 disk minimum).
A Minimal System     : 4 Disks   6.00/7.00
B Base System Extras : 7 Disks   10.50/12.25
C Compilers          : 3 Disks   4.50/5.25
D Documentation      : 2 Disks   3.00/3.50
S Source, misc.      : 1 Disk    1.50/1.75
T TeX                : 3 Disks   4.50/5.25
X X-Windows          : 8 Disks   12.00/14.00
Entire set %5 discount: 40.00/46.50
or the entire set on QC-40 tape for 40.00
Send check or money order
Stephen Balbach
5437 Enberend Terrace
Columbia, MD 21045
send e-mail so I can have it ready sooner ->
stephen@access.digex.com
From: colinm@max.carleton.ca (Colin McFadyen)
Subject: Maxtor 2190 info needed (was Re: UNIX PC Software for sale)
Organization: Carleton University
Lines: 14
In <1qvs59$knh@crl.crl.com> bob@nntp.crl.com (Bob Ames) writes:
>Here is a list of items for the 3B1 which I am selling:
List deleted..........
>PPS:  Priam D519 150M Hard Drives (Exactly same as Maxtor 2190, but faster)
Does anyone know what the jumpers should be set to on the Maxtor 2190??
I have a 2190 that came off of a VS2000 that I would like to use on a PC.
Thanks in advance...Colin.
From: forsythe@leland.Stanford.EDU (David Michael Goldberger)
Subject: FOR SALE:  MAC CLASSIC AND STYLEWRITER 1
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Lines: 6
I am selling my Macintosh Classic and Stylewriter 1 to the highest bidder.
You can reach me at 415 626-5869 (San Francisco)), or via email at
forsythe@leland.stanford.edu.
-David Goldberger
From: halle@rebecca.its.rpi.edu (Ezra D.B. Hall)
Subject: Re: TEst Instruments for sale
Keywords: test,instruments,meter,power,supply,oscilloscope,storage display
Article-I.D.: rpi.wss5lqm
Lines: 24
Nntp-Posting-Host: rebecca.its.rpi.edu
The following is no longer for sale, it has been sold.
-Textronics Type 611 Storage Display (screen dim. 6.5"x8.5)
-Textronics TM503 base with three PG502 250MHz pulse generators.
-Textronics 6289A Adj. DC power supply 0-40volts 0-1.5 amps
-Keithley Instruments Picoammeter
-(3) Analogic 3 1/2 Digit panal mount voltmeters
**************************************************************
Still for sale,
-Hewlett Packard 180A Oscilloscope with 180AA four channel 50 MHz vertical
Amplifier and 1822A time base and delay generator.  Best offer over $300
-(1) Analogic 4 1/2 Digit panal mount voltmeter, powered by 5 VDC,
Model AN2574 1X3P, Same Dimensions as above, ----$55 +shipping----
Reasonable offers will be accepted.  Please respond by e-mail or phone.
E-mail halle@rpi.edu   phone (518)276-7382
From: halle@rebecca.its.rpi.edu (Ezra D.B. Hall)
Subject: Re: Receiver and C-101 equilizer for sale
Keywords: receiver, equilizer ,sterio,amp
Article-I.D.: rpi.zss56vm
Lines: 26
Nntp-Posting-Host: rebecca.its.rpi.edu
I have sold the receiver.  The Equilizer is still for sale
-Technics SA-450 integrated Quartz synthesizer Digital Receiver
-SOLD!!!!!
-Audio Control C-101 graphic equilizer
-This is an awesome Eq., but I am broke.
-10 bands/channel, octave EQ
-subsonic filter
-rumble reducer
-tape monitor
-amazing real time spectrum analyzer with calibrtated microphone and
pink noise generator, calibrated and uncalibrated range adjustment,
display is calibrated in dB and can display the average energy per
band, or the average for the full speactrum(great for checking how
loud your system is)
-The display action has two speed settings to adjust how quickly the
display responds to transients
This is one of the best equilizers around.  It is very quiet, and the display
Is fascinating to watch.  It sells for $400-$450 in stores, so I will sell it
for -$315 obo
send all responses to halle@rpi.edu ,  or call (518)276-7382 eve.
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
From: <BROSE@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
Subject: Hummel Collectors (1 left)
Lines: 13
"Chimney Sweep" number 12/I (5-1/2 to 6-1/2"), closed edition,
3 or 4 line (Purchased in West Germany in 1970) (Retail $270)
Sell $120 (S&H extra)
I have a picture of it if you want to see first; in excellent
shape, no chips or cracks).
Great idea for Mother's Day.  This is a great buy.
Interested?  Please E-mail or call (415) 926-2664 wk
or (408) 248-0411 eves.
BRose
From: rpwhite@cs.nps.navy.mil (rpwhite)
Subject: Re: Catalog of Hard-to-Find PC Enhancements (Repost)
Organization: Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey
Distribution: usa
Lines: 35
Andy Freeman writes:
>Joe Doll writes:
)>>   "The Catalog of Personal Computing Tools for Engineers and Scien-
)>>   tists" lists hardware cards and application software packages for
)>>   PC/XT/AT/PS/2 class machines.  Focus is on engineering and scien-
)>>   tific applications of PCs, such as data acquisition/control,
)>>   design automation, and data analysis and presentation.
)>>   If you would like a free copy, reply with your (U. S. Postal)
)>>   mailing address.
>>
>>    I am very interested in your catalog, but E-mail to you bounces.
>
>Don't bother - it never comes.  It's a cheap trick for building a
>mailing list to sell if my junk mail flow is any indication.
I have a copy of this catalog in front of me as I write this.
It does have tons of qool stuff in it.
My impression is that they try not to send it out to "browsers". It
appears that if your not a buyer or an engineer they do not want to
waste a catalog on you. When you get a catalog there's a "VIP Code" you
have to give them "to ensure your continued subscription.".
Anyway, if you want to get in touch with them, the company is
Personal Computing Tools
550 Division Street
Campbell, CA 95008
(408) 378-8400
(They also have fax #'s and toll free #'s for ordering and tech support)
Please note that I am not associated with them in any way. In fact, I
have never ordered from them so I can't comment on their products or
service but the catalog is real and I am sitting here salivating over
it.
From: jeffl@servprod.inel.gov (Jeff Later)
Subject: eXpEn$iVe MOTOROLA Handheld Radio For Peanuts!
Distribution: na
Organization: WINCO
Lines: 36
Heavy-duty, commercial, TINY,(6x3x1/2 inch) WATERPROOF, VHF 2 watt, 2 channel,
handheld two-way radio.  MOTOROLA EXPO purchased NEW for Amateur frequencies
146.10/70 & 146.34/94.  Absolute  M I N T  condition!  Never scratched, dropped,
opened, or otherwise "comprosmised"!  Can be re-crystaled for business band.
has PL slot.
Original Price:
========================
MOTOROLA EXPO VHF 2WATT/2CHAN. HT--------------------$1200.00
(comes with portable charger, antenna, manual,
NEW Ni-Cad pack, back housing belt clip)
MOTOROLA extra NEW Ni-Cad pack-----------------------$  40.00
MOTOROLA extra VHF rubber-duckie antenna-------------$  12.50
MOTOROLA Desktop quick charger-----------------------$ 135.00
MOTOROLA External speaker-mic.-----------------------$ 125.00
MOTOROLA +12V cig. lighter Battery Eliminator--------$  80.00
MOTOROLA Heavy-Duty Nylon holster--------------------$  25.00
MOTOROLA EXPO Technical Manuals----------------------$   5.00
MOTOROLA EXPO tuning/case opening tools--------------$  N/C
---------------------
$1622.50
Would like $400, or BEST OFFER!!!
Thanks a lot!
Jeff
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From: aboyko@dixie.com (Andrew boyko)
Subject: Re: Sega Genesis for sale w/Sonic 1/2
Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access.  The Mouth of the South.
Lines: 15
aboyko@dixie.com (Andrew boyko) writes:
>4 month old Sega Genesis, barely used, one controller, in original
>box, with Sonics 1 and 2.  $130 gets the whole bundle shipped to you.
>Turns out they're not as addictive when they're yours.  Anyway, mail me if
>you're interested in this marvel of modern technology.
Well, I've been informed that the price on the whole thing I'm selling is now
less than the price I'm selling it for.  That will teach me to wait that long
before getting rid of electronic equipment.  Nevermind, everyone, I'm keeping
the thing.
---
Andrew Boyko              aboyko@dixie.com
From: klwright@eos.ncsu.edu (KENNETH LEE WRIGHT)
Subject: Case, MFM Contr., Game card, Sound Card
Originator: klwright@c00391-346dan.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: klwright@eos.ncsu.edu (KENNETH LEE WRIGHT)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Lines: 29
Forsale
1     Desktop Case, 200 Watt power supply 2 internal 5 1/4" bays and
2 external 5 1/4" origanaly Dell System 200 case. looks real good
all hardware included.
I would like $80 + shipping or best offer.
1     Western Digital MFM controler, 16 bit 2 floppy 2 hard, never had a
problem with it.
I would like  $30 + shipping or best offer.
1     Game card, works well nothing fancy just a joystick port.
I would like $10 + shipping or best offer.
1     INNOVATION Game / Sound Card, Has one game port and an adlib port.
I never used it. ( I got a soundblaster cheep before I installed it)
I would like $5 + shipping
All offers considered, Buyer pays shipping.
please resopnd to
klwright@eos.ncsu.edu
or
(919) 834-3290
thanks
ken
From: ralf@iqsc.COM (Ralf)
Subject: Monitor For Sale
Organization: IQ Software Corp.
Lines: 5
For sale KFC SVGA Monitor 1024X768 .28DP Non-interlaced
14" Screen, still under warranty!   $ 295.00 or best offer!
From: ralf@iqsc.COM (Ralf)
Subject: Used Stuff
Organization: IQ Software Corp.
Lines: 22
I have this used equipment for sale, everything is negotiable!
1200 Baud Compuadd Internal Modem, all docs and software    $ 25.00
SCO UNIX V3.2.2 All disks and Docs (Has UUCP/all Utils)     $150.00
Old 1.2MB floppy drive, functional, out of an old 286.      $ 20.00
Dead ST1196 80MB RLL drive, don't know whats wrong with it. $ 20.00
Old Joystick, don't remember the brand name                 $ 10.00
Old Boat Anchor CGA Monitor with full length CGA CArd       $ 20.00
Serial Card 25 Pin                                          $ 10.00
Test Drive III Accolade                                     $ 20.00
All prices neg +shipping!
From: nasa@suns.chinalake.navy.mil (Chris Adam Thomas)
Subject: 1964 Ford Galaxy - Original Owner - 56914 miles - California Car
Organization: TnA Research
Lines: 12
I'm posting this for my Mom and Dad's neighbor.  Please contact her
directly.
For Sale
1964 Ford Galaxy 500, 4 door, 390 cid engine, automatic, lt blue
56914 miles (YES that is correct.  It was her 2nd car).  Original
owner.  Alway garaged.  California inland valley car - NO rust.
Paint good - original interior good.  Professionally maintained.
Everything in good shape except gas gauge doesn't work.
All original except a "3rd brake light" added :-(      $4000
Call (916)451-3761
From: xanadu@seanews.akita.com (Dan Scherer)
Subject: PS/2 Stuff
Organization: SEANEWS - Seattle Public Access News + Mail
Lines: 30
Misc. P2/2 Stuff!
CARDS: (Micro Channel)
(6) Arcnet, Coax, 83X9648. Net Cards.
(3) Serial Adapter. P/N: 90X8459
(2) Parallel Adapters. P/N: 72X6753
(2) CoProcessor?? P/N: 83X7488
(2) Memory Expansion Option. P/N: 90X9507
Expanded Memory Adapter w/2Mb. P/N: 61X6752
Expanded memory Adapter, 0k, P/N: 90X8799
Alloy FTC500/MCA Tape adapter.
DRIVES: (Hard & Floppy)
30 Mb HDD, P/N: 90X9403  Model WD-336R
60 Mb HDD, P/N: 6128282, Model WD-387T
1.44 FDD, P/N: 15F7503, EC #A79541
1.44 FDD, P/N: 15F7503, EC #88086
This is what I have aquired over the past few years in PS/2
components...
I have posted the part #'s, so if you have any questions as to what a
component is, you can call IBM and find out! (I have no idea!!!)
Make me an offer! Trades welcome!
Dan Scherer
(206) 453-5215 Voice
(206) 996-8350 Pager
--
[] SEANEWS [] Seattle Public Access Usenet News + Mail [] +1 206 747 NEWS []
xanadu@seanews.akita.com
From: cthulhu@mosquito.cis.ufl.edu (Mark Kupper)
Subject: ** Comics for sale **
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.
Lines: 59
NNTP-Posting-Host: mosquito.cis.ufl.edu
I want to get rid of alot of comics that I have. I am selling for 30% off
the Overstreet Price Guide.
COMIC                                           CONDITION
-----                                           ---------
Arion #1                                        M
Batman's Detective Comics #480                  VF-NM
Contest of Champions #1                         M
Contest of Champions #2                         M
Contest of Champions #3                         M
Crystar #1                                      M
Daredevil #181 (Elektra Dies)                   NM-M
Daredevil #186                                  M
Fantastic Four #52 (1st app. Black Panther)     F-VF
G.I. Joe #1                                     M
Hercules #1                                     M
Incredible Hulk #181 (1st app. Wolverine)       VF
The Krypton Chronicles #1                       M
The Man-Thing #1                                M
The Man-Thing #5                                M
Marvel Age #1                                   VF
Marvel Age #2                                   NM
Marvel and DC Present (X-men and New
Teen Titans)                            M
Marvel Graphic Novel #4 (1st app. New Mutants)  M
The Marvel Guide to Collecting Comics           NM
Marvel Team-up #1                               VF-NM
Marvel Team-up #95                              M
Master of Kung Fu #90                           M
The Micronauts #1                               M
Micronauts King-Size Annual #1                  M
New Mutants #1 (5 copies!)                      M
New Mutants #2                                  M
New Mutants #3                                  M
The Omega Men #1                                M
Red Sonja #1                                    M
Ripley's Believe It or Not True War Strories #1 VF
Rom Spaceknight #1                              M
Rom Spaceknight #8                              M
The Secret Society of Super Villains #1         NM
Peter Parker, the Spectacular Spiderman #44     M
Amazing Spiderman #188                          M
Star Trek #4                                    M
Super-Villain Classics #1 (Origin Galactus)     M
New Teen Titans #1                              M
Uncanny Tales #33 (Publisher's File Copy)       NM-M
Vision and the Scarlet Witch #1                 M
What If #3 (The Avengers Had Never Been)        NM
Wolverine #1 (limited series)                   M
Wolverine #2 (limited series)                   M
Wolverine #3 (limited series)                   M
Wolverine #4 (limited series)                   M
X-men #25                                       F
X-men #26                                       F
X-men #30                                       F
X-men #34                                       F
From: 02106@ravel.udel.edu (Samuel Ross)
Subject: Books for sale!!
Nntp-Posting-Host: ravel.udel.edu
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: usa
Lines: 28
SOMEONE PLEASE BUY THESE BOOKS!!!!!  I AM NOT ASKING MUCH!!!!!!
JUST MAKE ME AN OFFER AND I WILL PROBABLY TAKE IT!!!!!
* Calculus w/ Analytic Geometry by Authur B. Simon (copyright date 1982), below avg condition but still readable!
* Writing good software in Fortran, Graham Smith.
* The Holt Handbook by Kirszner & Mandell (copyright 1986) 720+ page writing guide.
* Algebra & Trigonometry, A problem Solving Approach, 3rd edition by W. Flemming and D. Varberg.  Very good condition.
* General Chemistry Principles & Modern Applications, R. Petrucci, fourth
edition.  Big Book! Very good condition!
* Solutions manual for Chemistry book.  Paperback.
* Study guide for Chemistry book.  Paperback.
Send me your offers via email at 02106@chopin.udel.edu
Sam
02106@chopin.udel.edu
From: worsham@aer.com. (Robert D. Worsham)
Subject: Tektronix Equipment: Color Terminal, Printer, Rasterizer & Supplies
Summary: Tektronix Equipment/Supplies for sale
Keywords: color, printer, terminal, rasterizer, tektronix
Organization: Atmospheric & Environmental Research, Inc.
Lines: 27
For Sale:
Tektronix 4208 Color Terminal
Tektronix 4510A Rasterizer
Tektronix 4692 InkJet Printer
Tektronix 4692 Printer Extras (all Tektronix products):
Paper (> 3 boxes)
Transparencies (> 2 boxes)
Maintenance Cartridges (2 cart)
Magenta Ink Cartridge (1 cart)
We would like to sell as a single lot, and preference
will be given to offers for the entire list.  All offers
accepted, best offer gets the equipment.
-- Bob
____________________________________________________________________
Robert D. Worsham  (Bob)                   | email:  worsham@aer.com
Atmospheric & Environmental Research Inc.  | voice:  (617) 547-6207
840 Memorial Drive                         |   fax:  (617) 661-6479
Cambridge MA 02139 USA
From: dietrijj@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (dietrijj)
Subject: WHAT A DEAL!!
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Lines: 36
BOY OH BOY, HAVE I GOT A DEAL FOR YOU !!!!!!!!!
How does this sound.......
I have decided to sell all of this as a package deal,
(unless someone really wants something seperate, then I'm open
to that as well).....
Kramer Striker 100st electric guitar
Dark metallic blue...
Floyd Rose Tremlo...
Tuning lockers at the nut...
Great action, all-around great guitar!!
-plus-
Korg pme40x professional modular effects pedal board
Has flanger, chorus, and graphic equilizer...
Has a unique bonus...you can buy seperate pedal "boxes"
that sort of slide into any of the 4 existing slots..
Mono input, STEREO output...
Perfect for the electric or acoustic guitars!!!
-plus-
DOD American Metal distortion pedal
Durable, great sounding pedal...
Goes great with the Korg pedal board!!
There you have it!  Everything you need for a great sound!!!
Yours as a package deal for only........$300 o.b.o.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Respond by email to  dietrijj@mentor.cc.purdue.edu  or by phone at
(317) 495-4426 and ask for Jason.  Thanks in advance!!!
-Jason Dietrich
From: LLARSEN@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Porsche 928 (Bay Area)
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Lines: 20
Posting this for a friend
Sunnyvale, California
1982 Porsche 928 GTS Package
leather interior
european handling package
sunroof
cruise control
88,000k miles
new paint
Immaculate in every way
********** DELIVERY POSSIBLE TO DESTINATION WITH DEPOSIT ********
$10,000 firm
Low book is 11,500  High book is 16,000
Phone (408) 296-4444 Frank Rosqui
As new this vehicle was $74,000
This posting does not reflect the opinions of my employer
From: sgc1@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (scott.g.crawford)
Subject: Selling Riding Lawn Mower
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: nj
Summary: Riding Lawn Mower for Sale
Lines: 26
1987 ARIENS RIDING LAWN MOWER
This mower is in perfect condition and
contains the following features:
- Electric Start
- 26 inch cut
- Double Rear Baggers
- New Battery
- New Engine (one year old)
- Inflatable Tires (gives nice ride)
- Cushioned Seat (gives nice ride)
I am moving into a house that has a
small area of grass to cut and does not
require such large mower. The engine was
replaced, not rebuilt, last year due to
some faulty work done by a lawn mower
repair shop.
PRICE:  $600.00
PHONE: 908-582-7028 (Leave Message)
From: microfsh@iastate.edu (Alex Fagundes)
Subject: FOR SALE: CHEAP LOGIC BOARDS!!! (update)
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Lines: 67
Here's the updated list of the stuff I still have for sale. Also, feel free to
make an offer.  I'm asking $15 per board.
Currently known Electronic mother boards from old arcade games:
Game Name         Condition     	      Manufacturer
------------------------------------------------------------
-1-
TenYard Fight		?			Iren
TenYard Fight	   Bad(internal short)          Iren
Kangaroo		?       		Sun Electronics?
-2-
Mr.Do                  Okay,but has interference      ?
Guardian
Tip Top			?			Sega
Bank Panic		?			Sega
Sanritsu		?			Sega
*Radar Scope		Okay			Nintendo?
-3-
Poseidon                 ?                      Taito
Ninjakun         Bad(needs capacitor&crystal)    ?
Jass Rack                ?                      Jamma
Double Dribble           ?
-6-
Zoar			Okay			?
Super Trivia		Bad (got fried)	 	Greyhound Electronics
-9-
Slither             Has error message           Century II Corp.
-10-
Music Trivia		?			JALECO
Samurai           Fore Groud char. disapear     Taito
Poseidon                Okay                    Taito
-11-
Ant Eater		?			Tago Electronics
Up n Down	    buzzing sound		?
Tutankham		Bad			Konami
Pro Wrestling		Okay
Video Trivia		?			GrayHound
Asteron Belt		?			Sega
Unknown boards
Sega (1)
Konami (1)
Pacific Novelty Manufacturing Inc (9)
(if anyone has the rom numbers for these boards, please tell me)
1 absolutely unknown board
--Misc Stuff--
Somekind of powersupply(similar to atary audio reg.)  ?
Ram Card		?			Midway
Midway Patter Board
Z-80 Sync Buss Controller-285 (2)
Pacman Filters (16)	?			Midway
50pin scsi cable(2)
(both ends are female)
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|  Alex Fagundes -         Proud owner of a 76 Maverick :) and another      |
|  microfsh@iastate.edu  -          believer that AMIGA rules               |
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From: uschelp3@idbsu.edu (Mike Madson)
Subject: Tires For Sale
Summary: The last one was a test.
Lines: 6
Nntp-Posting-Host: 132.178.16.65
Organization: bsu
I have a set of four 235-60-R14 Big O tires that I had on my 1988 Thunder
Bird. We bought them and then traided the car in. They would not give me
anything for them so I had them taken off. We drove about 2,000 miles on
them. They are 40,000 mile tires. They are sporty looking low-profile, and
take corners realy well. If you are interested please contact me at (208)384-
9236 OR DUSMADSO@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU I am in IDAHO. USA
From: rtwalker@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Robert T Walker)
Subject: Memory
Keywords: memory, simms, hard drive
Nntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: oh
Lines: 11
Howdy! I'm just posting this for a friend so don't reply to me!
I have a friend who has some 1x9 SIMMS for sale, 8MB for $250 or 4MB for
125$. He also has a Conner 170MB hard drive for $250. It runs at 14ms. His name
is John and he can be reached at his BBS called Classified Connection at
(614)575-1345, he is the Sysop, and you can call him and hear his awesome voice
at (614)577-9673.
Adios
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the R, the O, the B, the S-K-I
From: djserian@flash.LakeheadU.Ca (Reincarnation of Elvis)
Subject: For Sale: Jazz Recordings
Keywords: Music, Jazz, For Sale, Help a Starving Student
Lines: 69
************************************************************
*     For Sale - Jazz Compact Discs                        *
************************************************************
I have the following CDs for sale, they are all in mint condition
and are fairly hard to find.  They are all on the savoy label and
put out by Dennon (Dennon bought the rights to Savoy and released
these disks)
I would like to sell them all in one package deal but I will consider
individual orders.
These are the titles and artists:
Telefunken Blues		Milt Jackson, Kenny Clarke, Percy Heath
Frank Morgan, Frank Wess, Walter Benton
Jazz Concert West Coast		The Bopland Boys
Opus De Jazz VOl-2		John Rae, Steve Kuhn, Bobby Jaspar,
Jake Hannah, John Neves
Patterns of Jazz		Cecil Payne, Kenny Dorham, Duke Jordan,
Tommy Potter, Art Taylor
Penthouse Serenade		Erroll Garner
Footloose			Paul Bley
The Imortal Lester Young 	Lester Young, Count Basie
Great Britain's			Marian McPartland, George Shearing
Howard McGhee and Milt Jackson  Self Titled
I Just Love Jazz Piano		Hampton Hawes, John Mehegan, Herbie Nichols,
Paul Smith
Art Pepper & Sonny Reid		Self Titled
Opus De Blues			Frank Wess, Thad Jones, Curtis Fuller
Charlie Fowlkes, Hank Jones,
Eddie Jones, Gus Johnson
Jazz is Busting out All Over	Too many names to list
Opus in Swing			Frank Wess, Kenny Burrell
Freddie Green, Eddie Jones, Kenny Clarke
Jackson's Ville			Milt Jackson, Lucky Thompson, Hank Jones
Wendell Marshall, Kenny Clarke
I will take any reasonable offer on the package of the 15 discs
as well as offers on individual discs.
Please E-mail me with a response or call (807) 344-0010
Thanx
Derek
--
$_    /|$Derek J.P. Serianni $ E-Mail : djserian@flash.lakeheadu.ca           $
$\'o.O' $Sociologist         $ It's 106 miles to Chicago,we've got a full tank$
$=(___)=$Lakehead University $ of gas, half a pack of cigarettes,it's dark,and$
$   U   $Thunder Bay, Ontario$ we're wearing sunglasses. -Elwood Blues        $
Organization: University of Maine System
From: Merv <IO10702@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Subject: EGA/VGA Monitor&Card wanted
Lines: 9
As it says in the subject, I am looking for a decent EGA or VGA monitor/card
combo that is in working condition.
The only thing is that it must be an 8-bit card.
E-Mail all offers to:
IO10702@MAINE.MAINE.EDU
Thanks.
-Merv
From: thomper@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dale Buford Thompson)
Subject: Is itproper net etiquette to advertise a company's junk mail list?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Expires: April 30, 1993
Lines: 102
In article <C5JCCG.3Bn@tsoft.net> you write:
>[stuff deleted]
>
>My company maintains a 20,000+ mailing list which is regularly rented for
^^^^^^^^^^
>one time use by the major software companies.  The method you are using to
>"seed" your junk mail, isn't really effective.  Bulk mailers regulary
>either send their databases to be "cleaned" by the NCOA, which if you've
>moved recently, will revert back to the original "xxx Cool", and in large
>mailings, there will likely be a dupe of you, and they'll pick the first, and use the
>others for future mailings.
>
>BTW, our list is currently one of the hottest lists for actual buyers of
>a MS Windows utility product in the $100 range, and is available through
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Direct Media in CT., at $0.10 per name.  Please let your direct mail
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^   !!!!!!^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>marketing rep. know about this..  Thanks.
>               !!!! !!!!! !!!!
>TEd
It is my impression that net etiquette does not allow companies to
use the net to directly advertise their products.
In addition to improper etiquette, this product is a mailing list
used for generating junk mail.
Am I correct in assuming this is improper, and if so, what can be
done to penalize such an improper use?
Dale Thompson
From: bereson@ide.com (Alex Bereson)
Subject: 1972 Montreal Olympics souvenirs
Originator: bereson@lola
Organization: Interactive Development Environments, SF
Distribution: na
Lines: 14
1976 Montreal Olympics philatelic souvenirs:
1. Color-illustrated booklet in French/English containing all stamps
issued for the Games (mint never hinged) in slipcase, over $6.00
face value in stamps. $13.00 + $2.00 insured first class mailing
2. Unusual "desk pad holder" with Olympic rings on the cover and the
Montreal stadium inside. All the Canadian Olympic stamps are
displayed on the "cover" under heavy plastic. Again, over $6.00
face value. $11.00 + $2.50 insured first class mailing.
Order both for $22 including insured delivery
From: beers@cs.buffalo.edu (Andrew Beers)
Subject: CPM & C64 Stuff Forsale
Distribution: usa
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci
Lines: 23
Nntp-Posting-Host: hadar.cs.buffalo.edu
=======
FORSALE
=======
CPM Computers:
1.  Model AMPRO A13001 Rev A, with or without 2 720K 5 1/4" floppy drives and
system disks.  Z80 processor.
2.  Unknown brand.  w/Miniscribe Model 1006 hard drive.  1/2 height 8" Shugart
model 810 floppy drive.  Keyboard.  System disks.
Also:
2 - 8" Shugart model 801 floppy drives.
Also:
Commodore 64 computer, 1541 disk drive.
Will sell in whole or in parts.  Buyer pays shipping.
To make offers, either email beers@cs.buffalo.edu or call (716) 741-9272, and
ask for Jonathan.
Andrew
From: mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson)
Subject: Re: Realistic PRO-34 Hand-held Scanner
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Lines: 11
I'd offer $150 for your scanner, shipping at your expense, payment to
be sent by personal check within 24 hours after receipt of goods -- or if
you live nearby and can deliver, payment in cash with 24 hour advance notice
so I can go to the bank.  If sent by mail, I reserve the right to return
it at my expense if when I check it out I find it to be defective in some
way.
BTW, why would you sell such a fine scanner?  Did you replace it with
some other instrument or find it not to be satisfactory in some way?
Mark Thorson
From: jboro@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu (Jason Boro)
Subject: 2 PC's, chair & typewriter in Boston
Organization: Center for Clinical Computing - Boston, MA.
Lines: 27
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: cheever.bih.harvard.edu
1. IBM PS/2 286; 30 meg hd; 1.44 disk drive 3.5"; extended keyboard; mouse,
mouse-pad; DOS, DOSSHELL, EXCEL, WINDO S, WORD, AMIPRO, GRE StudyWare.
$500 / b.o.
2.  Zenith Date Systems supersport laptop computer
w/ 120V AC recharger; model 150-308 60 hz.
DOS 4.0
2 disc drives for 3.5" floppy
carrying case, manuals.
$350 / b.o.
3.  2 leather desk chairs  (1) black $200. (2) brown $150. or both for
$300.
4.  Olivetti manual typewriter, Tropical model.
Incl. characters for typing in Italian language.
$100.
Please reply via email or call me at my home number:  (617) 277-9234.
Thanks,
Jason
*---------------------------------------------------------------------*
| Jason Boro ....................... jboro@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu |
| Center for Clinical Computing .......... Boston, MA  (617) 732-5925 |
*---------------------------------------------------------------------*
From: "Jack Previdi" <p00020@psilink.com>
Subject: Re: Printing
In-Reply-To: <1qk2m5$1up@agate.berkeley.edu>
Nntp-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1
Organization: Avoirdupois Institute
X-Mailer: PSILink-DOS (3.4)
Lines: 38
>DATE:   15 Apr 1993 16:32:05 GMT
>FROM:   cozzlab@garnet.berkeley.edu
>
>In article <1993Apr15.053905.16811@sarah.albany.edu> me9574@albnyvms.bitnet writes:
>
>[advertises his printing business]
>
>Oh, dear.  Let me be the first on my block.
>
>You have just violated one of the major shibboleths of the Usenet groups:
^^^^^^^^^^^
nit: Is he unable to type the first 'h' in this word? ;-)
>you're not supposed to use a newsgroup to plug your own commercial
>enterprise (of _any_ kind; people frequently get flamed for announcing
>they've got a new book out.)
>
>I don't know whether this is an official Usenet rule or just a long-
>standing custom, and it doesn't make much difference from a practical
>point of view.
As a matter of fact D.J., it does make a difference.
Almost a half million new users joined the Internet last year,
many of them are commercial businesses. The ban on commercial
use of Internet is no more.
One should have the breeding not to post commercial material
on an account provided by ones employer or school, unless the
provider of such account gives permission. (HA!)
Those of us who pay for Internet access are constrained only
by our innate good taste and no have no "administrator" to
guide(?) us.
Jack Previdi                          Veni, Vidi, Fece!
p00020@psilink.com
Subject: HELP!! How to get refund from Visual Images?
From: koutd@hirama.hiram.edu (DOUGLAS KOU)
Organization: Hiram College
Nntp-Posting-Host: hirama.hiram.edu
Lines: 28
I participated a promotion by a company called Visual Images.
They sent me a award certificate three months ago and asked
me to buy their promotion package in order to receive the major
award. They mislabled my address and I did not receive my package
until one month ago. I was mad and angry about how it took them
so long to get my package. So I wrote them a letter and requested
for a refund. They never return my letter. I was lucky enough to
find out their telephone number through operator and received the
package. I immediately returned the package and wrote them another
letter to ask for refund. The package was returned because they
address they put on the package was incorrect. I attempted to
call them and learnd that they have changed their telephone number.
It took me at least 10 phone calls to find out their new number,
but they refused to take any responsibility. I spoke to their
manager and she said she would call me back, but she has not call
yet. But I was able to get their address from their front desk.
Should I just go ahead and send the package? Or should I waite until
they call me back?
I know there are several people on the net has experience with the
same company. I would like to know how they got their money back.
If you have similar experience, please advise me.
Thanks in advance,
Douglas Kou
Hiram College
From: cst@blueoak.berkeley.edu (Courtney Terry)
Subject: For Sale: 1969 karmann ghia
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Lines: 25
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: blueoak.berkeley.edu
*******************************************************
1969 karmann ghia
*******************************************************
This car is in excellent running condition:
*********
*49,000 mi on new engine
*new tires (Aug 92)
*new clutch (91)
*new carb (91)
*original radio (am/fm)
*upholstery in great shape
*burgundy exterior/ black interior
This car has been well-maintained with regular tune-ups.
Unfortunately, the car's previous owner had a minor
front-end collision.  The right front nose is dented
and patched up with bondo.  I have the hard-to-find part
needed to repair this damage.  Besides that damage, the car
is in excellent condition. $1600/bo
Courtney  email: cst@blueoak.berkeley.edu
phone (after 5 on weekdays): 510-704-9237
From: cst@blueoak.berkeley.edu (Courtney Terry)
Subject: For Sale: 1983 Nissan Sentra
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Lines: 15
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: blueoak.berkeley.edu
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1983 Nissan Sentra
**************************
o two door hatchback
o red
o am/fm cassette
o lots of new parts, well maintained
o very clean, inside and out
o looks and runs great
o $2000/bo
Bob or Tracy at 510-540-8795
(Please do not respond to this account)
From:  dina@litana.obninsk.su (  )
Subject: horse breeding and saling
Reply-To: dina@litana.obninsk.su
Organization: Litana Ltd.
Lines: 31
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?     Dear Sirs,                                                          ?
?                                                                         ?
?     The  private  agricultural  firm  "DINA",  is  breeding  pedigree   ?
?horses of "sportmodel"  class,  mainly  trakenensky,  gannoversky  and   ?
?thoroughbred horses. We have 17 heads of dams, getters of  trakeninsky   ?
?and thoroughbread breeds, colts of 1-2 years old, sport live-stock  of   ?
?horses of concour class (for passing the route  with  obstacles).  The   ?
?firm has a warm stable made of brick, arranged to place 60 horses.       ?
?     We  have  possibility  to  expand  the  field  of  activity   and   ?
?systematically prepare our horses of concour class for sale  for  hard   ?
?currency. The experienced  staff  of  the  firm  (internetional  class   ?
?master)  workes  for  breeding  and  training  of  horses.  Additional   ?
?investments are  necessary  to  purchase  of  larger  dam  live-stock,   ?
?construction of the riding-house for training, extra stables.            ?
?     For two years our firm has been  organizing  hunting  tourism  of   ?
?the territory of the national park not far from Moscow (about 100 km).   ?
?     We are also concerned in the development of  trading connections    ?
?on delivering food products, clothes, foot-wear etc. to Russia.          ?
?                                                                         ?
?                                                Our address:             ?
?                                                Russia, Obninsk,         ?
?                                                pr. Marksa, 34-130.      ?
?                                                phone:(08439)3-49-42,    ?
?                                                      (08439)3-42-30     ?
?                                                fax:  (095)255-22-25     ?
?                                                Electronic Mail:         ?
?                                                dina@litana.obninsk.su   ?
?                                                                         ?
?                                                Vyacheslav Chereshnev.   ?
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From: mxahmad@pbhyg.PacBell.COM (Mehdi Ahmadi)
Subject: ######    San Mateo Duplex House for sale    ##########
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Distribution: ba
Lines: 38
San Mateo Duplex houses for sale:
West side location, Alameda and HWY 92. large lot 55X140. Nice
quiet location, No front neighbor, space for pool or jacuzzi.
spacious rooms, cozy living room with fireplace. Only minutes
from highways 280 and 92 and 101. Excellent schools, shopping
and transportation nearby.
Unit one:  " Remodeled "  2100 SQ foot
3 bedrooms	2 baths		Large master suite
Den/study	Eat in Kitchen	Very large Backyard
Fenced backyard	Hardwood floor	Wall to wall carpet
Marbel/tile/vinyl		2 car garage
car port	Washer and dryer hook up
Living room dinning combo	totally remodeled
Unit two:   " BRAND NEW CONSTRUCTION " 645 SQ Foot
1 bedroom	1 bath		Fire place
Dinning room	Private yard 	Private entry
detached unit	Washer & dryer	Living room
Barbeque patio	All separet Utilities from the city
Price $468,500   ( By Owner )
Call Medi Amadi at   510-601-1525   eves
510-823-3366   days
2 baths
Subject: Wanted restaurant equipment
From: smp@cerc.wvu.edu (Shailesh M. Potnis)
Organization: Concurrent Engineering Research Center
Nntp-Posting-Host: cathedral.cerc.wvu.edu
Lines: 17
Wanted restaurant equipment for starting a new restaurant
1) 4-6 Burner Stove
2) Hot Plate
3) Fryer
4) Stainless Steel tables, Shelves etc
5) Pots n Pans
and a number of other items
If interested, pl. email
Shailesh
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Shailesh Potnis, Associate	|Concurrent Engineering Research
Member of Technical Staff	|Center, West Virginia University
From: jamesl@galaxy.nsc.com (James Lu x3702)
Subject: WANTED: refrigerator.
Nntp-Posting-Host: gallium.nsc.com
Organization: National Semiconductor, Santa Clara
Distribution: ba
Lines: 9
WANTED:
Refrigerator.
contact: (408)721-3702
jamesl@galaxy.nsc.com
From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Subject: Smith Corona Typewriter for sale, Model SCM 70 electric
Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: PhDs In The Hall
Distribution: ny,nj
Lines: 23
Smith Corona Typewriter for sale,
Model SCM 70 electric.
Great for forms, envelopes, labels, small things, etc. that you just
can't do with your microcomputer.
Built like a tank, but not big nor that heavy.  A classic compact
electric, with padded storage bag.  No scratches, enamel paint chips
or dents.  Cloth ribbon, 2 colours.  Will accept best offer near $70.
(Selling for a friend, so these are her instructions not mine.
RSVP to this account, though.  Make any other offers anyways,
I'll pass them along.  A single sheet-feeder for the Macintosh
Imagewriter II would be acceptable in trade, for example.)
gld
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Gary L. Dare
> gld@columbia.EDU 			GO  Winnipeg Jets  GO!!!
> gld@cunixc.BITNET			Selanne + Domi ==> Stanley
Subject: **** Tapes 4 Sale (most sale) ****
From: koutd@hirama.hiram.edu (DOUGLAS KOU)
Organization: Hiram College
Nntp-Posting-Host: hirama.hiram.edu
Lines: 30
Tapes for sale, $3.00 each and the shipping is included.
Those tapes are 1 year old and are hardly used, so there should
not be any problem with it. I really want to sell them, so make
me a package offer if you wish to.
Eagles		The Best of Eagles
Eagles		Hotel California
Elton John	Sleeping with the past
Gloria Estefan	Into the Light
James Ingram	The Power of Great Music
Kenny G.	Duo Tones
Lethal Weapon 3 ( music from the motion picture )
Mariah Carey	MTV Unplugged EP
Michael Bolton	Time, Love and Tenderness
The Phantom of the Opera
Genesis		We can't dance
Phil Collins	... But Seriously
Queen		The Works
Queen		Live Magic
Wilson Phillips
Send me your offer...
Please send your offer to koutd@hirama.hiram.edu
thanks you,
Douglas Kou
Hiram College
Hiram, Ohio
From: mageors@sdf.lonestar.org (Bill Mageors)
Subject: Genie Garage door remote forsale
Organization: sdf public access Unix - Dallas, TX.
Lines: 11
I have a genie garage door transmitter forsale, this unit is a three
button station. will operate three different door or gate openers.
Has never been used, normaly goes for $45.00 Im ask $20.00 + shipping.
If interested please email me.
mageors@sdf.lonestar.org
From: me9574@albnyvms.bitnet
Subject: Apology (printing)
Reply-To: me9574@albnyvms.bitnet
Organization: University of Albany, SUNY
Lines: 14
Dear Fellow Usenet Users:
I would like to give a formal apology for posting an advertisement
about my printing business.  I did not intend this to be an advertisement,
but rather an offer for people on the usenet, many of whom use printing
on a regular basis.  I was not aware that this is not "legal" on the usenet.
I am only trying to put myself through college.  For those of you who
requested information, I will write to you privately.  For those of you who
are having fun flooding my mailbox, I think you can grow up.  To offer advice
is one thing, but to use profanity toward me is another.
Thank you,
Marc    ME9574@albnyvms.bitnet
From: jamull01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu (Joseph A. Muller)
Subject: JFK autograph for sale (serious inquiries only)
Nntp-Posting-Host: starbase.spd.louisville.edu
Organization: University of Louisville
Lines: 12
After hearing about the McGovern House story on Paul Harvey I never had any
idea how much it was worth.  The autograph is on a Senate Pass card
and is signed 'John Kennedy.'  I don't remember if it was signed
'Senator John Kennedy' or whether or not it was dated, because I haven't
looked at it in quite a while.  Currently it is in a safety deposit box.
I would rather sell to a private collector rather then go through an auction
house such as Christy's since that would tend to take away from the profit.
If you (or any collector you may know) has an interest in this please send
me an e-mail expressing your interest.  I will see what I can do to make
a scanned gif of it available to prospective buyers.
From: dwf@kepler.unh.edu (Dennis W Fitanides)
Subject: 2400 baud External modem $25 (mint)
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Lines: 3
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu
box, manual, phonecord    $25 + shipping
Dennis
From: steveg@bach.udel.edu (Steven N Gaudino)
Subject: Dbase IV for sale (price reduced!)
Nntp-Posting-Host: bach.udel.edu
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: usa
Lines: 4
Dbase IV 1.5 for sale, 3.5 inch disks, all registration included (so you
can upgrade to 2.0 if you want), manuals still shrinkwrapped, disks only
opened to verify they all work.  Asking $175 or best offer.
From: xorcist@cyberden.sf.ca.us
Subject: [ For Sale ] EMS Freq. Shifter
Reply-To: xorcist@cyberden.sf.ca.us
Organization: Indescribable Creations
Lines: 20
This is yet for a friend again.
EMS Freq. Shifter. (The machine that made those 3-D swirling guitar effects
way back in the 70's.)
Spacial panner with harmonic shifting. Very rare - A collectors Item. This
is the last unit EMS ever made. Rack mountable. Mono in, Up/Down signals out
with seperate Pan out and sine/unsine voltage outs. VCO input too to control
LFO. If interested contact Kevin before 9 pm PST (California) at 818-362-7883
and make an offer.
Do not reply to this account.
Have a nice day
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| H E   \ Y B E R |/ E N            [ xorcist@cyberden.sf.ca.us ]
The CyberDen - Public Access Waffle Usenet System - 415/472-5527
From: dwilson@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (David Wilson)
Subject: Various COMPUTER/AUDIO/VIDEO items wanted as of 4/16
Lines: 63
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA
Lines: 63
Unless otherwise noted, I am mainly interested in USED items.
If you have (any of) the following for sale, please contact me:
EMail           mbeck@vtssi.vt.edu
Phone           (703)552-4381
USMail          Michael Beck
1200 Progress Street #5500E
Blacksburg, Virginia 24060
Please give as much info as possible (brand, age, condition, etc)
~~~~~~~~~~WANTED as of 12AM, 4/16/93~~~~~~~~~~
COMPUTER EQUIP:
1       CHEAP tape drive - pretty much any kind (Used)
1       Memory for PS/2 Model 50Z (New or Used)
1       Macintosh computer
1       486 66mhz chip (New or Used)
1       COLORADO tape drive, 250 megabyte, preferr. w/ 5 tapes (Used)
1       101 key-AT keyboard
1       High Density (1.2 mb) 5 1/4 disk drive
1       Printer - OMS410 or HP LASER or HP DESKJET series
1       Printer - 24 pin or DESKJET
1       High Density (1.2 mb) 5 1/4 disk drive EXTERNAL
1       Adaptec 1542 SCSI 16-bit HD/FD controller (Used)
1       Piggy back memory expansion for INTEL INBOARD 386
1       130 MB IDE Hard Drive
2       17" monitor, 1280 resolution, .28 dot pitch or better, digital
mult.   XT's, AT's and laptop systems to go to Russia
NON-COMPUTER EQUIP:
1       drum set
mult.   amps for a band
1       TV - 27" or bigger, stereo
1       VCR - 4 Heads, stereo
1       Receiver - 100 Watts or more w/ Dolby Prologic Surround Sound
capability
1       Bed - Full or Queen sized - LOCAL OFFERS only, please
1       Desk - LOCAL OFFERS only, please due to shipping constraints
From: dwilson@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (David Wilson)
Subject: VIDEO CAMERA, AMIGA 3000 For Sale as of 4/16
Lines: 46
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA
Lines: 46
If you are interested in (any of) the following, please contact me:
EMail           mbeck@vtssi.vt.edu
Phone           (703)552-4381
USMail          Michael Beck
1200 Progress Street #5500E
Blacksburg, Virginia 24060
~~~~~~~~~~FOR SALE as of 12AM 4/16/93~~~~~~~~~~
1       PANASONIC AF X8 CCD OmniMovie Camcorder
VHS HQ
High Speed Shutter
Flying Erase Head
ca. 3 years old, but only used VERY lightly
Date/Time stamp
Counter/Memory
Rec Review
Fade
Back Light
Auto/Manual Focus
Built in microphone/Jack for external microphone
Comes with:
Sturdy aluminum/hardplastic carrying case
(20" long X 13" wide X 6" high)
Shoulder strap
Power adaptor/battery charger
Battery pack
Remote recording controller
UHF/VHF ---> cable adaptor
Audio/Video cables and adaptor
Aproximate dimensions (measured around outmost features)
15" long X 4" wide X 8" high (w/ handle)
ASKING PRICE:  $BEST OFFER  ($700 new price)
1       AMIGA 3000UX    25mhz, unix compatible machine w/100 meg Hard
Drive, 4 meg RAM, no monitor, keyboard (ESC and ~ keys
broken)
ASKING PRICE:   $1500 OBO.
mult.   PROTEON P1390 token ring cards
SOLD!!     AT&T Portable Cellular Phone, Model 3730
ASKING PRICE:   $SOLD FOR $350 (Listed at $600 new)
SOLD!!  COMPAQ LTE/286 laptop - contact for details
BEST OFFER SO FAR $SOLD FOR $475
From: mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson)
Subject: Re: Cellular Phone (Portable) for sale
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa
Lines: 7
I offer $100, shipment at seller's expense, payment as personal check
sent by U.S. mail within 24 hours after receiving goods.  I reserve the
right to return the goods, at my expense, if I find them to be defective
or otherwise unacceptable when I receive them (either the merchandise or
the check would be mailed within 24 hours).
Mark Thorson
From: Don_Alder@mindlink.bc.ca (Don Alder)
Subject: Bware of JayHayes/Deleware
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Lines: 10
Had a deal with Jay Hayes from Deleware and was ripped off do not deal with
this guy and if you know him go to his door with a bat! He lives in Deleware
and I will post his full address later as well as his phone number in case
any on e else wants to call and leave nasty messages. He will not return
email and he will not return my phone calls I left a message iwth hgis
roomate to call collect and hes not man enough. He still maintains net
privilages, can we somehow get this turkey off the net.
DA
From: tammy@uclink.berkeley.edu (Tammy Chen)
Subject: Toolwork: MPC Encyclopedia on CD-ROM
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Lines: 14
NNTP-Posting-Host: uclink.berkeley.edu
I have the following program on CD ROM forsale:
Toolwork MPC Encyclopedia on CD-ROM
- Multimedia
- Brand new
- Shrink-wrapped
Asking : $50 / obo
Send reply to : sam@ocf.berkeley.edu
Thank you
From: jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu (JACK ROGERS WATERS)
Subject: Portable Color Television For Sale
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Lines: 17
Hello Everyone,
I have a Casio TV-470 LCD Color Television for sale.  It
is in mint condition.  Retail is $199 but I'm looking to
get about 1/2 of that for it, tops.  Highest bidder in
a week gets it, assuming the highest bidder is at least $60.
TV comes with black case and uses 4 AA batteries.  They also
sell AC adaptor.  It has external jack for phones and external
antenna, etc.  The picture is very good and it has electronic
tuning so you don't have to screw with tuning a picture in, etc.
I have the box and all documentation.  This has seen less than
3 hours use as I have all but sworn off TV.
Best Regards
Jack Waters II
From: dcg6759@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu ()
Subject: Quantum SCSI 40mb Hard Drive For Sale
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Lines: 30
Hi,
I have a Quantum ProDrive LPS 40 MB SCSI hard drive for sale.
It came with my MacIIsi and was replaced by a larger hard drive.
In great working condition. Fast and quiet. Never had a problem.
Asking $100+COD shipping or reasonable offer.
Also for sale with the drive:
Brand new mounting bracket for MacII or MacSE. It also includes
SCSI data and power cable. $10 with the HD.
Please reply with email or call (217)337-5710 and leave message.
Thanks.
Ding-Kai Chen
dcg6759@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
uiuc.classifieds
uiuc.classifieds.computer
misc.forsale
misc.forsale.computer
misc.forsale.computer.mac
misc.forsale.computer.other
misc.forsale.computer.pc-clone
From: arvind@acuson.com (Arvind Jain)
Subject: FOR SALE: Airline ticket for 48 States + Canada
Summary: Airline ticket for 48 States + Cananda
Keywords: sale ticket airline travel
Organization: Acuson; Mountain View, California
Distribution: misc
Lines: 14
FOR SALE:
Northwest Airline Fly-Write ticket for travel within the 48 states
and Canada from anywhere in the country.
2 One Way - $200 (each)
1 Round Trip - $350
This ticket has no restrictions, and is fully transferable.  However,
travel has to be completed buy June 4.
email: arvind@acuson.com
From: HO@kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu (Francis Ho)
Subject: 24-pin Printer
Nntp-Posting-Host: kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University
Lines: 9
TOSHIBA P321SL
-track/friction feeds
-LCD display
-3.5 months old
-like new
-sample print-out sheet (GEOWORKS) available
-EMULASER (a 2-month old program by VERTISOFT
makes print-out look like an inkjet print-out)
-$175 firm.
From: HO@kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu (Francis Ho)
Subject: 286 Laptop
Nntp-Posting-Host: kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University
Lines: 18
MITSBISHI Laptop (MP 286L)
-286/12 (12,8,6 MHz switchable)
-2M RAM installed
-Backlit CGA (Ext. CGA, MGA)
-20M 3.5"HH HDD/1.44M 3.5" FDD
-2 COM/1 LPT ports
-complete manual set
-Built like a tank
-Excellent cosmetic cond.
-dark gray
-used very lightly
Problems:
(1)HDD stops working.
(2)LCD sometimes doesn't work (ext. CAG/MGA works).
Best Offer.
From: crrob@sony1.sdrc.com (Rob Davis)
Subject: Re: DRIVE
Summary: ** Honda XR-100R Dirt Bike for sale ** MINT!
Lines: 10
For Sale: 1987 Honda XR-100R dirt bike. Bought new from dealer in
1989. Ridden only 4 hours, garage kept and well cared for.
The bike is in MINT condition; perfect size for lady or
young adult. price: $600 firm. You will not be disappointed.
Ohio/Kentucky/Indiana inquiries preferred please.
work: (513) - 576-5986. Leave voicemail please.
Rob Davis, Cincinnati Ohio.  Again, this is a new bike.
From: bdolson@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Brian David Olson)
Subject: For Sale: IBM Wheelwriter 6
Nntp-Posting-Host: elvex34.acns.nwu.edu
Organization: Northwestern University
Lines: 11
I just won an IBM Wheelwriter 6 typewriter in a raffle here on campus.
Since I have a nice computer, and really need the cash, I'm putting it up
for sale.  I have an offer from a local reseller for $250.  Best offer
above that plus shipping.
...brian
Northwestern University - Economics & International Studies
b-olson@nwu.edu                      Brian David Olson
bdolson@casbah.acns.nwu.edu   bdolson@cica.es
bdolson@merle.acns.nwu.edu    bdolson@sevaxu.cica.es
From: easu351@orion.oac.uci.edu (Suzanna T. Chow)
Subject: (update) Pioneer DEH-M980 car CD Reciever for SALE!
Nntp-Posting-Host: orion.oac.uci.edu
Summary: (update) Pioneer DEH-M980 car CD Reciever for SALE!
Keywords: pionneer
Lines: 15
features include:
Detachable Face, 30x4 watt amplifier, Infra-red Remote, 8 times oversampling
1 bit DAC, supertuner IV (18fm and 6am presets), best station memory
CD Changer Controller, loud switch, clock
all original packaging, asking $450.00 (or best offer)
This CD reciever is a very nice radio, great condition, the remote comes in very
handy (you wouldn't think it would), TOP of the line CD Reciever
Interested!  send email to Brion Sohn at (easu351@orion.oac.uci.edu)
any resonable offers will be considered
******Latest offer $400.00 (including shipping)*********
From: dennisod@itx.isc.com (Dennis R. O'Donnell)
Subject: McCartney concert tickets for sale
Organization: Interactive Systems
Keywords: dennisod
Lines: 14
Four tickets available for the Paul McCartney concert at the Alamo Dome
in San Antonio, TX on May 29th...
GROUND FLOOR SEATS.
Will sell all four, or in pairs:  $100 each.
E-Mail:   dennisod@itx.isc.com
From: bmaraldo@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (Commander Brett Maraldo)
Subject: AKG 340 Electrostatic/Dynamic Headphones For Sale
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: na
Lines: 14
I have a pair of AKG 340 headphones for sale.  They are an electrostatic
dyanmic headphone; a dynamic element for the bottom end and an electrostatic
for the high end.  They are very comfortable and sound very nice.  They are
in like new condition.  I would like $220CDN for the pair.
Brett Maraldo
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"Alien Technology Today"
bmaraldo@watserv1.UWaterloo.ca
{uunet!clyde!utai}!watserv1!bmaraldo
From: bmaraldo@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (Commander Brett Maraldo)
Subject: Ampex 456 2" Recording Tape For Sale
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: na
Lines: 19
I have 5 full reels of Ampex 456 2" recording tape.  This tape was
used once at 15 ips and carefully stored.  All reel include an Ampex tape
band.  The tape has not been bulk erased to my knowledge.  The history of
the tape in know and available upon request.  JMAR in Toronto sells new
2" 456 for $260+tax (Canadian)  I would like $100CDN/reel which will include
postage.
Brett Maraldo
- Plexus Productions
ps.  The reels are 2500' long; standard thickness.
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"Alien Technology Today"
bmaraldo@watserv1.UWaterloo.ca
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From: smf7s@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Stephen M. Friedman)
Subject: Wizard OZ-9600 pen-based organizer & PC link for sale
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: na
Lines: 39
FOR SALE: Pen-based electronic organizer --
Brand-new Sharp Wizard OZ-9600 (with PC link software and cable)
-15 ounces, measures 7"x4"x1" (fits in most pockets)
-256k RAM, 125k available to user
-pen/touch-screen input for pointing and drawing
-keyboard big enough to touch-type on
-320x240 screen
-windows/pop-up menus
-excellent scheduler with alarms
-3 telephone directories
-3 user-configurable databases
-full word-processor with formatting
-drawing utility
-outliner
-to-do list
-calculator
-clock/calendar
-terminal emulatorw/ dialing directory
-directory/filing system
-serial port/infrared port/IC card slot
-uses 4 AAA batteries (about 3 months of daily use)
-All manuals
Organizer Link II
-software and cable for exchanging data between Wizard and a PC
$480 or best offer for both.     I'll pay shipping.
Steven M Friedman
Horizon Institute for Policy Solutions
Mail path:	smf7s@virginia.BITNET
Voice path:	(804) 295 0235
From: davisonj@en.ecn.purdue.edu (John M Davison)
Subject: TCD-D3 DAT Walkman For Sale
Summary: I am backing out because someone is selling me another
Keywords: Digital Audio Tape Sony TCD-D3 DAT Walkman
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Lines: 64
I recently backed out of purchasing an almost-unused Sony TCD-D3 DAT
Walkman, having found someone else who has a unit I personally prefer (and am
paying more for).  However, it's still a heck of a machine for the price -- it
is quite rugged, and many people out there swear by it.  (It's probably the
most popular walkman-style DAT machine out there.)
Anyway, the guy selling it is Bryan Davis (bdavis@netcom.com), and
here's what he told me:
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Here is what is included:
- TCD-D3 DATman.
- (2) RCA to Stereo 1/8" plug cables.  One for analog input, one for
analog output.
- Optical digital I/O cable (one lead for input, one for output).
- A copy of my sales receipt with a note about your purchase.  The
unit is still under factory warrantee.
- AC adaptor/battery charger.
- Rechargable battery.
I paid $750 + tax for it so I hope you don't mind if I keep the 60 minute
tape it came with (I have some samples on it!).
[By the way, he spent at least $100 too much for it, unless he's including an
extended warranty, which is advised for DAT machines, since it costs about
$300 to replace the head when it wears out, and it probably will within 5
years if you use it a lot.. -- davisonj]
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I'm not going to quote my sale price for him: that would not be nice.
Send him mail and ask him what he wants.
Again, I've used the TCD-D3, and I have to say that I can certainly
understand why it is as popular as it is.  I've been using one for a little
while, and although I had some problems with it recently, I should also point
out that the particular one I was using had been on the road for two years and
had truly been _used_ during that time.  (This is the same exact DAT machine
that was lugged around the U.S. and Canada to record the Jazz Butcher
Conspiracy for their recent live album.)
Bryan Davis says:
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I know at least half a dozen professional musicians and record labels
in S.F who use that model (and have been for a while) with no reported
problem.  My problem is that everyone I know already has one.
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'nuff said.
The reason I'm not getting it is that I found someone else selling me a
unit that features phono-plug SPDIF I/O instead of optical (I don't have any
optical ports on my equipment, but you, the reader, might), and it also has
some other bells & whistles that the TCD-D3 doesn't.  (I am also paying more
for the alternative.)  Note that phono-plug-to-optical SPDIF adapters are
available if you absolutely must have one.
Of course, it has SCMS.  All consumer decks do.  (So do Sony Minidiscs,
by the way.)
Anyway, if you're interested, get in touch with bdavis@netcom.com.
--
John Davison
davisonj@ecn.purdue.edu
From: kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.com (Rev. Michael P. Deignan)
Subject: Hallicrafters S120
Organization: Small Business Systems, Incorporated, Smithfield, RI 02917
Lines: 9
I have a Hallicrafters S120 SW radio for sale. Worked the last time I
tried it out. Make offer.
MD
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--  Domain: mpd@anomaly.sbs.com            /  parents never had it, chances
-- AT&TNet: +1 401 273 4669               /   are you won't either...
-- Telebit: +1 401 455 0347              /
From: Arthur_Noguerola@vos.stratus.com
Subject: son of genuine VINYL records 4SALE
Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA
Lines: 14
NNTP-Posting-Host: m21.eng.stratus.com
Thank you ALL for requesting my list and thank you again
if you purchased  vinyl from me.
LOTSA MORE VINYL LEFTOVER FOR SALE.
VINYL looking for a new home.
PLEASE BUY some (more) so I can STOP running this AD.
Bunches of 12" vinyl records for sale
including a METAL ACETATE!!! NO not heavy metal music)
BUT EM ALL and GET AMAZING DEAL...
email me for BIG list and details. (Mass, USA)
arthur_noguerola@vos.stratus.com
From: ychen@hubcap.clemson.edu (Eric Chen)
Subject: Fortegraph Emulator Card, what's this?
Organization: Clemson University, Clemson SC
Lines: 14
someone gave me this brand new card.  I am thinking to sell it cuz
I don't need it.  but the problem is that i don't even know what this
is.
this was made by Forte Communications Co. it has 2 board combined
together (looks wierd  to me) and has 2 9 pin ports (one male and one
female), and also has a round port (like BNC, not sure).
this was made in 1986, and has a "fortegraph emulator & diagnostic" disk
with it.
has anyone here ever seen this or known what this is.
appreciate your help in advance.
eric
From: dsnyder@falcon.aamrl.wpafb.af.mil
Subject: Re: Wanted: Trombone for a beginner
Distribution: world
Organization: USAF AL/CFH, WPAFB, Dayton, OH
Lines: 31
In article <1qu43p$aam@fnnews.fnal.gov>, Greg Schuweiler <schuweiler@fnal.gov> writes:
>
> Would like to purchase a trombone for a 9 year old because
>
>  "This really really want I want to play daddy I'll practice everyday and
> I'll even keep my room really clean."
>
> Well he must really mean it.  Would like to find a used one.  Please
> e-mail me at
>
> schuweiler@fnal.gov
>
>
> Greg Schuweiler  schuweiler@fnal.gov
I've got a used one for sale.  I used it in high school and just don't have
the occasion to get it out and play it anymore.  Email me and we can work out
something on it.  I can't get email to you for some reason.  David--
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dsnyder@falcon.aamrl.wpafb.af.mil   Wright-Patterson Air Force Base
513-255-5165                        Dayton, Ohio USA
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It is said that GOD doesn't subtract from ones' time on earth, those
hours spent flying.
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1946 Cessna 140 N76234 "The lady in waiting" Owner/Operator
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Opinions expressed are my own and not those of Logicon or the USAF.
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From: dsnyder@falcon.aamrl.wpafb.af.mil
Subject: Golf shoes size 9 1/2
Organization: USAF AL/CFH, WPAFB, Dayton, OH
Lines: 15
Used pair of golf shoes Size 9 1/2 good shape no holes etc.  $10.00 o.b.o.
plus shipping.    David--
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David B. Snyder                     Logicon Technical Services Inc.
dsnyder@falcon.aamrl.wpafb.af.mil   Wright-Patterson Air Force Base
513-255-5165                        Dayton, Ohio USA
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It is said that GOD doesn't subtract from ones' time on earth, those
hours spent flying.
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Opinions expressed are my own and not those of Logicon or the USAF.
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From: jonathan@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Mr J J Trevor)
Subject: [SNES] Games for sale/trade
Organization: Department of Computing at Lancaster University, UK.
Lines: 29
I have the following games for sale or trade for other SNES (or
Genesis/MegaDrive games):
(all have instructions and box except where stated)
SFC:
Mickeys Magical Quest (no instructions)
A.Suzukis Super GrandPrix
Legend of the Mystical Ninja
UK SNES:
Out of this World / Another World
Super Soccer
US SNES:
Krustys Fun House
Irem Skins Golf
Super Tennis (currently under offer)
I will sell for US$ for UK pounds.
Cheers
Jonathan
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'-'________    Fax: +44 524 381707              Lancaster University
E-mail: jonathan@comp.lancs.ac.uk   Lancaster, Lancs., U.K.
From: Michelle Zumbo <mz10+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: DARKROOM SUPPLIES/ENLARGER
Organization: Athletics and Physical Education, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Lines: 28
NNTP-Posting-Host: po3.andrew.cmu.edu
FOR SALE:
* Besler 23C II Enlarger
(including filters & negative carriers)
* Darkroom supplies
(containers, trays, thermometer, beakers,
paper focuser, etc...I also have paper &
chemicals, but I think these 2 are past
expiration date)
Everything is in great working condition.  I bought it
about a year ago and it has served its purpose well.
It hasn't been used it in a few months because I don't
have the time or money to keep up with it and its just
sitting in my bathroom taking up space I'd like to use.
So, I'd like to sell it to someone who would use it
rather than it collect dust in my bathroom.
If you are interested in the whole package, I will sell
everything (including shipping) for $300.  If you have
something else in mind, I'm open to suggestions.
Please reply to this account.
Thank you...
Michelle
From: khcheng@unix.amherst.edu (KIM HONG CHENG)
Subject: Telepath 96/96 FAX/MODEM FOR GATEWAY
Organization: Amherst College
Lines: 7
Nntp-Posting-Host: amhux3.amherst.edu
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
GATEWAY Telepath 9600/9600 FAx/modem for gateway computer
with crosstalk, Winfax Pro 2.01 for windows
Never used.
$170 shipped ($195 from gateway)
Hong
From: wgs1@Isis.MsState.Edu (Walter G. Seefeld)
Subject: Re: Microsoft DOS 6.0 Upgrade for sale
Nntp-Posting-Host: isis.msstate.edu
Organization: Mississippi State University
Lines: 22
In article <AHALL.93Apr5132130@slothrop.fmrco.com> ahall@fmrco.com (Andrew Hall) writes:
>In article <C4rvnz.6wE@unx.sas.com> sasjhc@maxwell.unx.sas.com (Joe Croos) writes:
>
>   |> yuanchie@eve.usc.edu (Yuan-Chieh Hsu) writes:
>   |>
>   |> >    MS DOS 6.0 Upgrade for sale     best offer over $45
>   |> >    (opened, unregistered)
>   |>
>   |> Gee, my copy of PC Magazine states that the upgrade is retailing for $49.99...
>
>   Egghead, across the street, sells it for $47.49 and I'm going that way
>   after work :->
>
>CompUSA has it for 38.xx, in Boston.
I will sell it for $33 including shipping...
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Walter G. Seefeld          |  By the dawn's early light,
940 N. Jackson St. #1A     |  By all I know is right,
Starkville, MS 39759       |  We're going to reap what we have sown.
N5QXR                      |   -Jackson Brown
From: mcadams@trane.rtp.dg.com (Ed McAdams)
Subject: Piano, free to charity
Organization: Data General Corporation, Research Triangle Park, NC
Lines: 15
I have one of those HEAVY antique upright pianos I would like to
contribute to any charity with muscle enough to get it out of my house.
If I get no response from a charity I will sell to for $100, you haul.
It is in good shape, needs tuning.  I'm in south Durham county.
Ed McAdams
Data General Corporation            mcadams@dg-rtp.dg.com
62 T. W. Alexander Drive            {backbone}!mcnc!rti!dg-rtp!mcadams
Research Triangle Park, NC 27709    (919) 248-6369
Ed McAdams
Data General Corporation            mcadams@dg-rtp.dg.com
62 T. W. Alexander Drive            {backbone}!mcnc!rti!dg-rtp!mcadams
Research Triangle Park, NC 27709    (919) 248-6369
From: suraj@apollo.cs.jhu.edu (Suraj Surendrakumar)
Subject: !!!!!!!>> NEW STEREO SYSTEM FOR SALE <<!!!!!!!!
Organization: The Johns Hopkins University CS Department
Distribution: usa
Lines: 29
10 month old stereo system for sale. Luxman R-351 receiver, Onkyo TA-RW404
tape deck, and Polk Monitor M4.6 book shelf speakers are for sale. Receiver
has 5 year warranty, and all equipment is in excellent condition. Paid $950
for the system and willing to consider the best offer. Will sell seperate
pieces also if desired. Please send best offer to suraj@cs.jhu.edu.
Speakers: Polk Monitor M4.6 bookshelf speakers
Paid $250 pair. Willing to consider best offer.
Receiver: Luxman R-351 receiver with 5 year (yes 5 years) warranty.
Paid $475. Willing to consider best offer.
Full remote, 2 pairs of speaker connections,
60 watts per channel, but drives like a 150 watts per channel
Has all the standard features, and more.
Tape Deck: Onkyo TA-RW404 tape deck
Paid $275. Willing to consider best offer.
Dual cassette, Dolby B, C, and HX Pro.
Input level control for recording, auto reverse both sides.
Has all standard features.
Send E-mail with best offer to suraj@cs.jhu.edu
-Suraj
From: michaelq@tlaloc.sw.stratus.com (Michael Quicquaro)
Subject: For Sale:  1990 Pontiac Grand Prix SE
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering
Lines: 45
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: tlaloc.sw.stratus.com
For Sale:  1990 Pontiac Grand Prix SE
White, White rims, Gray interior.
58K miles (mostly highway),
3.8 Litre V6 multi-port fuel-injected engine,
5 speed manual transmission.
Options include:
A/C,
Rear defogger,
Power steering,
Power brakes,
Power windows,
Power locks,
Power mirrors,
Cruise control,
Power glass moonroof with sunshade,
Power seat/recliner (driver's),
Power seat/comfort/lumbar/headrest (both),
AM/FM cassette stero,
Electronic monitor/service system
with graphic compass,
Stereo controls duplicated on
steering wheel,
Remote-keyless entry,
and others.
Asking $11,500.
The car looks and rides like it just rolled off
of the dealers lot.  It has been garaged and pampered.
It gets an average of 27.5 mpg highway, sometimes better;
city is around 19-23 mpg, depending on how it is driven.
Selling because of baby coming soon.  Need 4-door family
car.  Will consider trade or partial trade with Ford Taurus,
Mercury Sable, or 4-door Pontiac Grand Am or similar American
car.
Contact:
Mike at Home: (508) 881-6312
Work: (508) 490-6963, or
michaelq@tlaloc.sw.stratus.com
From: steve@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Steve Glicker)
Subject: 2 5V 200A Power Supplies f/$350 obo
Nntp-Posting-Host: rooster
Organization: Applied Research Labs, The University of Texas at Austin
Distribution: usa
Lines: 12
Two LH Research SM11-1 power supplies (series SM10).
1000W, 5V, 200A (currently wired for 115VAC)
Control lines: +/- sense, on/off, pwr. fail, high/lo margin, current monitor
(List price from LH Research $824.00 each, qty. 1-9)
Asking $350.00 for the pair obo
Steve Glicker
(steve@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu)
From: wagnerbm@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Brent)
Subject: Sony CarDiscman ForSale
Organization: Purdue University
Distribution: usa
Lines: 33
I have a used Sony D-808K CarDiscman for sale.  I bought it new on
June 16, 1992.  It still has
the one-year warranty intact.
Specifications:
Sony's best car discman			perfect condition
8X oversampling				1-bit D/A converter
3-beam laser pickup			dual color display
DSP sound processing (Bass Boost and DDS modes) w/ 3 levels of effect
2-way repeat				hold mode
can also run on just 2 AA batteries	30 track programming w/ repeat
random play w/ delete
fused cigarette lighter adapter (could save the player if something goes wrong
Accesories:
headphone plug & line-out jack		Sony MDR-34 headphones
AC power Adapter			patch cord for home use
automobile mouting plate  		car conecting pack
remote control(great for home use) 	carrying case
extra fuses
This unit is great to use in any car.  Can be moved easily between vehicles.
Works well in home or car. Just need cigaraette lighter/outlet and a cassette
player.
I have everything that it came with manuals, packaging, receipts etc.
The unit is in perfect condition with normal well taken care of use.
Extremely versatile and manuverable unit that can be used anywhere.
I am asking $250 for the system and extras. Please e-mail if interested.
Brent Wagner
wagnerbm@sage.cc.purdue.edu
(317) 495-4471
From: aj008@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Aaron M. Barnes)
Subject: Scanning radio:Realistic PRO-2024-was $200, sell for $150
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
Lines: 45
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu
Article 10886 of alt.radio.scanner:
Path: usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!aj008
From: aj008@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Aaron M. Barnes)
>Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner
Subject: Realistic PRO-2024 for sale-was $200,sell for $150 obo
Date: 20 Apr 1993 16:01:28 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
Lines: 26
Message-ID: <1r16oo$3du@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu
Hello.
I have a Realistic PRO-2024 scanner for sale.Here is a small desc
ription:
60 programible chanels
fully detailed backlighted digital display
headphone jack
antenna jack
removable telescoping antenna
auto search
coverage:
30-50mHz
118-174mHz
380-512mHz
It originally cost $200, but I will sell for $150.
Thank You.
--
/ /     Buchanan in `96!
/ /      Fear the goverment that fears your guns.
\ \/ /       Without the 2nd amendment, we cannot guarantee ou
\/ /        r freedoms.           aj008@cleveland.freenet.edu
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/ /     Buchanan in `96!
/ /      Fear the goverment that fears your guns.
\ \/ /       Without the 2nd amendment, we cannot guarantee ou
\/ /        r freedoms.           aj008@cleveland.freenet.edu
From: suraj@apollo.cs.jhu.edu (Suraj Surendrakumar)
Subject: ==> NEW STEREO SYSTEM/COMPONENTS FOR SALE <==
Organization: The Johns Hopkins University CS Department
Distribution: usa
Lines: 29
10 month old stereo system for sale. Luxman R-351 receiver, Onkyo TA-RW404
tape deck, and Polk Monitor M4.6 book shelf speakers are for sale. Receiver
has 5 year warranty, and all equipment is in excellent condition. Paid $950
for the system and willing to consider the best offer. Will sell seperate
pieces also if desired. Please send best offer to suraj@cs.jhu.edu.
Speakers: Polk Monitor M4.6 bookshelf speakers
Paid $250 pair. Willing to consider best offer.
Receiver: Luxman R-351 receiver with 5 year (yes 5 years) warranty.
Paid $475. Willing to consider best offer.
Full remote, 2 pairs of speaker connections,
60 watts per channel, but drives like a 150 watts per channel
Has all the standard features, and more.
Tape Deck: Onkyo TA-RW404 tape deck
Paid $275. Willing to consider best offer.
Dual cassette, Dolby B, C, and HX Pro.
Input level control for recording, auto reverse both sides.
Has all standard features.
Send E-mail with best offer to suraj@cs.jhu.edu
-Suraj
From: tfoley@camaro.uucp (Tim Foley)
Subject: A1000 Memory Needed!!!
Organization: camaro
Lines: 27
Wanted:  Amiga 1000 Memory Expander
Any Size (at least 1 meg), populated or not
eg. AX2000, Insider, etc.
Needed Desperately!
Cash deal or trade for:
2400 mnp4 Everex Evercom 24e External Modem
2400 pc internal modem
PP 2400SA V42.bis external modem
Apple II+ parts
Lots of PC cards
Panasonic Video CCD Video Camera (BL204) w/ lenses
(Great for Digi-View etc...CCD...no lens...no burn-in!)
Send Email ASAP!
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Subject: Amplifiers and Speakers
From: krschimm@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu (Karl Schimmel)
Organization: Wichita State University, Wichita, Ks
Lines: 27
FOR SALE(of course)
Linear Power model 952 IQ
2 channel automotive stereo amplifier
95 watts peak per channel
2 ohm stable
fidelity tested
$100 You pay shipping
1 Pair (two (2)) Mobile Authority woofers
10 inch
2 inch voice coil
20 oz magnet
130 watt peak power handeling
4 ohms
$40 for both, you pay shipping (will not sell seperatly)
reply thru e-mail to:
Karl R. Schimmel
The Wichita State University
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From: ma225121@umbc.edu (Jonas Schlein)
Subject: Olivetti XT
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus
Lines: 8
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: umbc8.umbc.edu
X-Auth-User: ma225121
I am selling an AT&T XT compatible. It comes with a green screen CGA monitor,
360k 5.25" Floppy Drive, and a 20 Megabyte Hard Drive.
You would think it was brand new from the condition it's in.
Asking price is $150 + Shipping.
Reply via E-Mail if interested.
Subject: VHS movie for sale
From: koutd@hirama.hiram.edu (DOUGLAS KOU)
Organization: Hiram College
Nntp-Posting-Host: hirama.hiram.edu
Lines: 13
VHS movie for sale.
Dance with Wovies	($12.00)
The tape is new and just open, buyer pay shipping cost.
If you are interested, please send your offer to
koutd@hirama.hiram.edu
thanks,
Douglas Kou
Hiram College
From: martimer@jaguar.WPI.EDU (the random one...)
Subject: Re: VHS movie for sale
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Lines: 10
NNTP-Posting-Host: jaguar.wpi.edu
In article <1993Apr19.211400.1@hirama.hiram.edu> koutd@hirama.hiram.edu (DOUGLAS KOU) writes:
>VHS movie for sale.
>
>Dance with Wovies	($12.00)
^^^^^^ what the  hell ios a 'wovie' ?? (wovy (sp))??
--
From there to here, from here to there,
funny things are everywhere 	     Dr. Suess
..jonathan Sawitsky       'some random wierdo'         martimer@wpi.wpi.edu...
From: nave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov (Joe Nave)
Subject: C=64 SYSTEM FOR SALE - MAKE OFFER...
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Distribution: usa
Lines: 24
FOR SALE:
*** COMPLETE PACKAGE ONLY ***
(1) COMMODORE C64 COMPUTER LIKE NEW IN THE BOX WITH POWER SUPPLY
AND OWNERS MANUALS
(2) COMMODORE 1541C DISK DRIVE LIKE NEW IN THE BOX - AND OWNERS
MANUAL
(3) COMMODORE 1702 COLOR MONITOR LIKE NEW AND OWNERS MANUAL
(4) PANASONIC KXP-1091 DOT MATRIX PRINTER LIKE NEW AND OWNERS
MANUAL
(5) PRINTER INTERFACE FOR PANASONIC PRINTER
(6) FASTLOAD CARTRIDGE
(7) HUGE STACK OF BOOKS ON C-64/1541 PROGRAMMING
MAKE A REASONABLE OFFER AND I'LL THROW IN 300+ DISKS OF SOFTWARE...
Please reply in e-mail.
--
Joachim Nave			nave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov
Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Pasadena, California		DISCLAIMER: No, I don't speak for JPL!
From: lazaro@pyuxf.cc.bellcore.com (lazaro,matthew)
Subject: Re: VHS movie for sale
Nntp-Posting-Host: pyuxf.cc.bellcore.com
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Lines: 12
In article <1qvk1u$jnu@bigboote.WPI.EDU> martimer@jaguar.WPI.EDU (the random one...) writes:
>In article <1993Apr19.211400.1@hirama.hiram.edu> koutd@hirama.hiram.edu (DOUGLAS KOU) writes:
>>VHS movie for sale.
>>
>>Dance with Wovies	($12.00)
>	    ^^^^^^ what the  hell ios a 'wovie' ?? (wovy (sp))??
>
It's one of those animals you dance with.
But seriously, I saw this video for sale brand new at Palmer Video
for $9 + tx.   I guess if I could resell them for $12 I would dance
like a Wovie.
From: she3328@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Steven H. Eckwielen)
Subject: -=WANTED=- HP 48s or HP 48sx
Nntp-Posting-Host: vaxb.isc.rit.edu
Reply-To: she3328@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Lines: 10
AS the subject says... looking for a HP 48s or perferiably HP 48sx
Please E-mail replies.
Thanks
Steven Eckwielen
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From: jyow@desire.wright.edu
Subject: RADAR DETECTOR: Whistler: X,K,Ka
Organization:  Wright State University
Lines: 7
Whistler Spectrum 2-SE.  X, K, Ka.  Pulse protection.  Good condition.
Purchased for $130, asking for $80.
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Jason Yow				Human Factors Psychology Program
Wright State University, Dayton, OH	E-mail: jyow@desire.wright.edu
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From: jyow@desire.wright.edu
Subject: CAMERA: Olympus Stylus, super small
Organization:  Wright State University
Lines: 9
Olympus Stylus, 35mm, pocket sized, red-eye reduction, timer, fully automatic.
Time & date stamp, carrying case.  Smallest camera in its class.
Rated #2 in Consumer Reports.  Excellent condition and only 4 months old.
Worth $169.95.  Purchased for $130.  Selling for $100.
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Jason Yow				Human Factors Psychology Program
Wright State University, Dayton, OH	E-mail: jyow@desire.wright.edu
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From: mallen@wyvern.wyvern.com (Marc L. Allen)
Subject: Re: 486DX/33 CPU chip for sale, (Cyrix, AMD 486s not Intel clones)
Organization: wyvern.com
Distribution: na
Lines: 10
>Beware,  From what I understand neither the AMD or Cyrix 486s are clones of
>the Intel 486.  They are using the "name" 486 because they run as fast as a
>Intel 486.  They do not have exactly the same instuction set nor do they fit
>into the same socket.  Most are very fast 386s without coprocessors.
AMD recent won the appeal against Intel to use their Microcode, so they
should be putting out real 486 chips in the near future.
Marc
mallen@wyvern.wyvern.com
From: gtd597a@prism.gatech.EDU (Hrivnak)
Subject: Re: VHS movie for sale
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology
Lines: 14
In article <1qvk1u$jnu@bigboote.WPI.EDU> martimer@jaguar.WPI.EDU (the random one...) writes:
>>Dance with Wovies	($12.00)
>	    ^^^^^^ what the  hell ios a 'wovie' ?? (wovy (sp))??
^^^
what the hell is 'ios'?
Fix your own typos before you blame others....
--
GO SKINS!    ||"Now for the next question... Does emotional music have quite
GO BRAVES!   ||   an effect on you?" - Mike Patton, Faith No More
GO HORNETS!  ||
GO CAPITALS! ||Mike Friedman (Hrivnak fan!) Internet: gtd597a@prism.gatech.edu
From: fbaker12@jade.tufts.edu (Frederick A. Baker)
Subject: Re: 486DX/33 CPU chip for sale, $250
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA
Distribution: na
Lines: 8
This entire dispute over a chip has deluged this newsgroup with a
lot of posts that have nothing to SELL.   It all harkens back to a
certain user's post of a month or so ago: STOP POSTING COMPUTER
EQUIPMENT HERE!!!   Save it for the computer.forsale newsgroups!
If you don't GET the computer.forsale newsgroups, then ask your
sysadmin. to try to subscribe to it at your location.   Otherwise,
knock it off!
From: klj@titan.ucs.umass.edu (KATHERINE L JEFFERS)
Subject: MAC SE FORSALE
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Lines: 11
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: titan.ucs.umass.edu
This is a repost of an earlier.  Thanks to several of you for
offering advise on realistic prices.
MAC SE/ 2.5 megs ram, 20 meg hard disk, 800 K Floppy.
In absolutely perfect condition.
Includes Word 5, pagemaker, quark xpress, quicken and the
latest versions of about a dozen other programs.
Price: 475.00
From: huawang@eng.umd.edu (Wang Hua)
Subject: Canon camera system for sale
Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park
Lines: 16
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: descartes.src.umd.edu
I have the following Canon items for sale, the condition is listed
as numerical. 10 indicates like new condition.
Canon T70 body (Multiprogram AE, Dual metering system,
build in motor drive etc.)   9-
Canon FD 50mm/F1.8   10
Canon FD 85mm/F1.8 with Canon BT-52 hood  8 (excellent portrait lens)
Osawa 28-50mm/F3.5-4.5 zoom (made in Japan) with soft case   10
Soligor 80-200mm/F4.5 MACRO (1:4) zoom (Japan) with hard case   10
Vivitar SMS30D dedicated thyristor flash in box with manual  10
Asking $350/obo. S&H not included.
If interested, e-mail huawang@src.umd.edu
or call (301) 405 2947
From: beb@media.mit.edu (Brian E. Bradley)
Subject: 2-gig Fujitsu 5.25" disk drive for sale
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory
Distribution: usa
Lines: 11
2-gigabyte Fujitsu 5.25" disk drive
internal drive, model M26525A
(uses either a SCSI or EDI interface on your disk controller card)
brand new, still in box, never used
only $1800 (compare to $2400 in cheapest mail-order catalogs)
POSTED FOR A FRIEND.  Pleade respond to:
jbredt@athena
From: steveg@bach.udel.edu (Steven N Gaudino)
Subject: Hard Drive for sale!
Nntp-Posting-Host: bach.udel.edu
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: usa
Lines: 6
I had posted this before, but the buyer fell through, so here goes again....
Western Digital Caviar 2200, 212 meg IDE HD, 3.5 inch drive.  Has built in
cache (I believe it's 64k, but I'm not positive).  Still in unopened,
original static bag.  Asking $275, obo.
From: foxfire@access.digex.com (foxfire)
Subject: Sega CD [Forsale]
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Lines: 35
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net
Ok folks...
I am in need for some money to purchase a Video Game Backup-Unit, so I
have decided to let go my SEGA CD unit... Heres the deal:
Sega Genesis CD/Rom Unit:
------------------------
o Playes Sega CD games
o Playes Regular CD's
o Playes CD-G's (Cd's w/graphics)
o Comes w/ 5 Cd's (Pack-Ins)
o Sega's Hot Hits (Regular CD w/ music)
o Rock Paintings (CD-G - music w/Graphics Karoki like)
o Sol-Feace (Shooter)
o Sherlock Holmes (Mystery) - Clue Book, No Docs.
o Sega Classics (Streets of Rage, Revenge of Shinobi, Columns,
& Golden Axe) - No Docs.
o Box and Documents (CD Unit) Included. All games comes w/Jewels and
documentation unless otherwise specified.
Other Games:
-----------
o Cobra Command (Docs have water dammage)
o Road Avenger *2 Weeks old!!
o Night Trap (No Docs.)
o All games come w/Jewels and documentation unless otherwise specified.
Im going to sell all of this to the HIGHEST bidder as of 4/30/93. I
would like to start all of the above at $250.00 or Trade for a Genesis/Snes
Video Backup-Unit. If you would like to bid or make an offer, just drop me
some mail... I will keep everone informed of what the current bids are..
Foxfire
foxfire@access.digex.com
From: David Ruggiero <osiris@halcyon.com>
Subject: Bare 4mb 386/25 Micronics system - $450/$350 <reduced!>
Organization: [none - why fight entropy?]
Lines: 29
Distribution: na
Reply-To: osiris@halcyon.halcyon.com (David Ruggiero)
NNTP-Posting-Host: nwfocus.wa.com
Originator: osiris@halcyon.com
"Bare" = case, a power supply, and a motherboard (with RAM and a coprocessor).
Everything else is yours to add as you like.
The motherboard:
- US-made Micronics 8-slot motherboard with Intel 386dx/25mhz CPU
- 64kb SRAM cache
- 4mb 80us RAM using 4x1mb simms (worth $120 alone)
- Cyrix 83D87 math coprocessor (worth $90 alone)
- Norton SI 6.0 rating of 26.1
- Latest version Phoenix BIOS
The case/power supply:
- Standard desktop case. 230watt power supply with the usual connectors.
- Room for five floppy/hard drives (three visible, two internal).
*New* Micronics CPUs often command a several-hundred dollar premium
over clone motherboards because they are US-made, use high-quality
components, and are known to be both very reliable and compatible. They
have been OEMed in systems sold by both Gateway and Zeos at various
points in the past. (Check out the ads in the back pages of Byte or PC
Magazine if you want to see this price differential for yourself.)
Price: $450 complete, $100 less if you don't want/need the case and
power supply. The board is fully guaranteed. Email for further details
or for any questions.
Thanks!
--
David Ruggiero  (jdavid@halcyon.com)       Seattle, WA: Home of the Moss People
From: zeno@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (S. Hsieh)
Subject: Video/Audio/Computer equipment for sale..
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Lines: 49
Distribution: na
Reply-To: zeno@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (S. Hsieh)
NNTP-Posting-Host: mickey.cc.utexas.edu
Originator: zeno@mickey.cc.utexas.edu
Time for some spring cleaning, so the following items are up
for sale:
Roland MT-32 Multi-Timbre Sound module.
LA synthesis, upto 32 simultaneous voices, 128 preset timbres,
20-char backlit LCD display, MIDI in/out/thru, reference card,
stereo output, etc
Great for games that support it (music on the MT32 is far
superior to any sound card), experimenting with MIDI, or
for adding additional sounds to your MIDI setup.
$235 + shipping
Canon RC-250 Xapshot still video camera system.
Includes: camera, carrying pouch, battery pack, battery charger,
ac adapter, video cables, two 2.5" floppies (each disk holds
50 pictures for 100 pics total), manuals, etc
Video output is standard NTSC composite and can be sent to any
NTSC device (e.g. to a television for direct viewing of your
pictures, to a VCR to record a slideshow, to a computer video
digitizer to save/manipulate the pictures on a computer system)
$295 + shipping
Ambico Video Enhancer/Audio Mixer
Three-line stereo audio mixer with microphone input and master
volume slider w/video enhancer to boost & sharpen video images
when dubbing from VCR->VCR, camcorder->VCR, etc
$38 + shipping
2400 baud PC internal modem
$25 + shipping
Quantum 105MB 3.5" internal ProDrive hard disk
This unit has recently turned unreliable and erratic in usage.
Could be a simple easily fixed problem or a major problem,
but at any rate I don't have the time to find out where the
problem lies.  If you want to take a risk on it, you can have
it for $45 + shipping.
If interested in any of the above items, please Email me.
-S. Hsieh
zeno@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
From: zeno@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (S. Hsieh)
Subject: Re: Video/Audio/Computer equipment for sale..
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Lines: 14
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: mickey.cc.utexas.edu
On 21 Apr 1993 03:25:29 I wrote:
> Quantum 105MB 3.5" internal ProDrive hard disk
>   This unit has recently turned unreliable and erratic in usage.
>   Could be a simple easily fixed problem or a major problem,
>   but at any rate I don't have the time to find out where the
>   problem lies.  If you want to take a risk on it, you can have
>   it for $45 + shipping.
Forgot to mention that the above mentioned Quantum is a SCSI
drive.
-S. Hsieh
zeno@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
From: zoron@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Soren M Burkhart)
Subject: Dragon's Lair II & Space Ace ARCADE games for sale
Keywords: laser games interactive
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Lines: 64
Dragon's Lair II ($400 Complete)
-------------------------------------
or
$220 Laser Disc
$150 Motherboard/Joystick/buttons
$35  Graphics (For arcade cabinet)
$50  Brick Power Supply +12/-12/+5
Space Ace ($430 Complete)
--------------------------------------
or
$250 Laser Disc
$150 Motherboard/Joystick/buttons
$35  Graphics (For arcade cabinet)
$50  Brick Power Supply +12/-12/+5
Both Space Ace and Dragon's Lair II ($750)
-----------------------------------------------
These games require a Sony 1450 Laserdisc player.  The
nice thing about this player is that you can also watch
normal Laserdisc movies on it as well.  I have one which I
will sell for $600 by itself, $550 with a purchase of one
complete system or $500 if you buy both systems.
I currently run this into my entertainment center.  I have
it housed in a PC computer case with with its own fan, and
power supply.  I run the audio into my stereo system, and the
laserdisc runs directly into the T.V..  I have made a mount for
the joysticks and the buttons.  First person who buys both
games will get it all, otherwise you have to do it yourself.
If you would prefer to have it all housed in a normal
arcade cabinet this can be done as well.  The graphics will
go nicely along the sides and front of the cabinet.
Everything works perfectly.  The laserdisc player has an
RS-232 port which you can use to develop your own multimedia
type applications.  The Laserdiscs have been stored in a safe
place and have no scratches on them.
If you are interested please email me.
Thanks,
Soren
--------------------------------------------------------------
Soren Burkhart
Purdue University        "Yes, well that is just the sort of
A.I. & Robotics		  blink-headed pig ignorance I have
zoron@en.ecn.purdue.edu   come to expect from you non-creative
garbage."
John Cleese (Monty Python)
From: bob@nntp.crl.com (Bob Ames)
Subject: Re: UNIX PC Software for sale
Organization: CRL Internet Dialup Access    (415-389-UNIX   login: guest)
Lines: 1
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: crl.com
From: dlneal@apgea.army.mil (Dennis L. Neal <dlneal>)
Subject: AMIGA Software For Sale!!
Organization: Edgewood
Lines: 22
Nntp-Posting-Host: cbda9.apgea.army.mil
I have the following Amiga software for sale:
ProVideo GOLD                   $50
AmigaVision                     $25
B.E.S.T. Plan It!               $10
spreadsheet
(still in shrinkwrap)
SuperBack                       $10
(hard drive backup)
Certificate Maker               $10
Add s&h to the above and its yours...email me at the address listed below:
thanx,
-Dennis L. Neal        dlneal@cbda9.apgea.army.mil
From: dlneal@apgea.army.mil (Dennis L. Neal <dlneal>)
Subject: 24-pin Printer For Sale
Organization: Edgewood
Lines: 10
Nntp-Posting-Host: cbda9.apgea.army.mil
I have the Star Micronics SG 24, 24 pin printer for sale.  I have used
with the AMIGA and IBM computers and it works great.  I will throw in
a cable and vinyl cover for $150 plus shipping.
First email gets it...
thanx,
-Dennis L. Neal        dlneal@cbda9.apgea.army.mil
(I have gone to a laser printer is the only reason I am selling)
From: drmsr@cislabs.pitt.edu (Marc S Rosenthal)
Subject: CASIO B.O.S.S. For Sale
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Lines: 8
I have a CASIO B.O.S.S. SF-9500 Digital Dairy/organizer for sale.
The unit has 64 kb with the expansion card slot.  Very good condition.
Asking $110.00 plus shipping.
Marc
drmsr+@pitt.edu
From: cse0080@desire.wright.edu (John C. Hansen)
Subject: Borland Software for sale - CHEAP!
Organization:  Wright State University
Lines: 22
For Sale:
Turbo Pascal 5.5 - all original manuals and disks:  $30 obo + shipping
Borland Paradox 3.5 with tall boxed manual set & Kallista desktop - all
original disks.  $50 obo + shipping
Borland Paradox 4.0 - opened but never used.  All manuals & disks.
$125 obo + shipping
Borland Quattro Pro 4.0 (DOS) all manuals & disks.  $40 obo + shipping
E-mail or phone if interested.
John Hansen
(513) 257-6084
--
John C. Hansen
hansen@logdis1.hq.aflc.af.mil		"... I am working on
cse0080@wsu.bitnet			a suitable quote..."
cse0080@desire.wright.edu		- John Hansen
From: thad@cup.portal.com (Thad P Floryan)
Subject: Re: Maxtor 2190 info needed (was Re: UNIX PC Software for sale)
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Lines: 25
In article <colinm.735327894@cunews>
colinm@max.carleton.ca (Colin McFadyen) writes:
|  Does anyone know what the jumpers should be set to on the Maxtor 2190??
|  I have a 2190 that came off of a VS2000 that I would like to use on a PC.
From the Maxtor Product Specification and OEM Manual, Doc. 1011002 Rev. F,
page 35:
J2, (20)                 J1 (34)            POWER
|xxxxxxxxxx|        |XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX|       | UUUU |
+-----+          +--------+                 +-------+      |
|                            4 C 3 2 C 1                   |
|                          [ O O O O O O ]                 |
The only option you "should" jumper is the drive select, shown as "4C32C1"
above.  There is also a drive power-up option jumper (elsewhere on the
drive's board) but the odds of that having been unset are slim.
Since the 3B1 "normally" has only one HD, you would jumper betwwwn "C1" to
select the first (possible) drive address; if the 2190 is your second drive
on the 3B1, then jumper between "2C".
Thad Floryan [ thad@btr.com, thad@cup.portal.com, thad@netcom.com ]
From: jks2x@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (Jason K. Schechner)
Subject: Foot switches for sale
Organization: University of Virginia
Lines: 11
I have 2 foot switches for sale.  They're great for guitar
amps, and keyboards.  Each is about 1" in diameter with a 6' (or so)
cable.  I'd like $15 for both, but make me an offer, who knows...
-Jason
--
Settle down, raise a family join the PTA,
buy some sensible shoes, and a Chevrolet
And party 'till you're broke and they drag you away. It's ok.
Al Yankovic
From: rich@delphi.bsd.uchicago.edu (Rich Long)
Subject: Icom 02AT for sale
Reply-To: rich@delphi.bsd.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Lines: 35
I am looking to sell my ICOM IC-02AT and extras.  I have the
following:
CM-12 Battery
HS-10 Headset
HS-10SA VOX unit
Cigarette Adapter
Leather Case
BC-25V Wall Charger
IC-BP3 Battery		Also have one that needs a new cell (i think,
its been a while)
It is in good condition, has a scratch on the front that is not
visible when in the leather case.
If you are interested, make me an offer.
--rich
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Subject: items for sale [must sell]
From: koutd@hiramb.hiram.edu (DOUGLAS KOU)
Organization: Hiram College
Nntp-Posting-Host: hiramb.hiram.edu
Lines: 62
Items for sale.....
This package was bought throught a award give-away company. I attempted
to cancel my order before I received the package, but I was too late and
the company refused to take the package back for refund. I know the truth
which I would never get my $697 back, but I wish to get my money back as
close as possible. Here is the describtion of the package...
Nishika 3D camera	It takes very good picture, never been opended
or used. It came with wide angle flesh, carring
case, film, and a instruction video. It has four
lens and created a 3D effect on a regular 35mm
film.
Jewelry			It came with the package as additional gift.
Bahama vacation voucher	The voucher is good for two RT airfare to Freeport.
The users get a special hotel rate of $27 per-person
per-night. Meals, ground transfer, hotel tax is
_not_ included.
Las Vegas, Reno, Orlando	The voucher provides one RT airfare, and
hotel accomodation for 3 days/ 2 nights.
Meals, ground transfer, hotel tax is not
included. The voucher is good for all 3
locations, but you can't travel to all 3
places at once.
Cancun, Mexico		The voucher provides one RT airfare, and hotel
accomodation for 3 days / 2 nights. Meals and
ground transfer, hotel tax is not included as
usual.
I paid $697 for the whole package. So try not to be cold-blooded when you
make your offer. Details would be provided by request. I do wish to sell
the whole package at once. So if you are just looking for the vacation
vouchers, I don't care if you sell the camera to other for a higher pric
If you are interested in the camera, you could treat the vacation vouchers
as gift.
If you receive a letter in your mail box which says that you are selected
to be part of the sweeptake and you have at least one out of five awards.
Trust me, you would get the exactly the same package as I did. There is
only one award which will be given away. So don't bother even to call them
back, if you are really interested, you could get it from me for a cheaper
price. And you could receive the package within a week ( I waited three
months to get my first and final packages). Also, they would ask for your
credit card number and you have to pay for the interest to the credit
card company. So why spend more than you should when you could get them
from me for a cheaper price.
If you are interested, please reply to me as soon as posible. I really
wish to get this over with. Make me an offer, if I am confortable with
your offer, I would send the package by U.P.S. the next day morning.
More details could be given if you wish.
Please contact me at koutd@hirama.hiram.edu
Douglas Kou
Hiram College
e-mail address--- koutd@hirama.hiram.edu
Subject: CDs for sale [update]
From: koutd@hiramb.hiram.edu (DOUGLAS KOU)
Organization: Hiram College
Nntp-Posting-Host: hiramb.hiram.edu
Lines: 31
CDs for sale shipping is included
Barcelona Gold		Freddie Mercury, Tevin Campbell, En Vogue
INXS, Madonna, Eric Clapton, Sarah Brightman
($9.00)
Wayne's World		Queen, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Alice Cooper
Eric Clapton
($9.00)
Extreme II		Pronograffitti
($9.00)
Saturday Night Live Band	Live from New York
($7.00)
Harry Connick, JR.	Blue Light			*Sold*
(just open, $10.00)
Dances with Woives	($9.00)				*Sold*
Handel			Classical 	($ 6.00)	*Sold*
Please send your reply to koutd@hirama.hiram.edu
Package deal is welcome.
Douglas Kou
Hiram College
From: teskey@plains.NoDak.edu (Dr. Snake Voivod)
Subject: OS/2 2.0 & Extended Services For SALE ***CHEAP***
Article-I.D.: ns1.C5sMIp.n1C
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network
Lines: 27
Nntp-Posting-Host: plains.nodak.edu
For Sale:
OS/2 2.0 Extended Services -
* Extended Database support
* Extended Networking Support
* Remote Host support
* Extended Communication Support
PLUS! A copy of OS/2 2.0.  The ES package is brand new and uninstalled, all
manuals, disks, etc. are included.  The ES package retails for $495 with OS/2
2.0 selling for $79 or something like that.
I'll let both of them go for $200.  My needs changed thus eliminating my
need for the package once I bought it.
If Interested, please Email me at:
Mark Teskey
teskey@plains.nodak.edu
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From: 02106@ravel.udel.edu (Samuel Ross)
Subject: Books for sale!!!
Nntp-Posting-Host: ravel.udel.edu
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: usa
Lines: 25
SOMEONE PLEASE BUY THESE BOOKS!!!!!  I AM NOT ASKING MUCH!!!!!!
JUST MAKE ME AN OFFER AND I WILL PROBABLY TAKE IT!!!!!
* Writing good software in Fortran, Graham Smith.
* The Holt Handbook by Kirszner & Mandell (copyright 1986) 720+ page writing guide.
* General Chemistry Principles & Modern Applications, R. Petrucci, fourth
edition.  Big Book! Very good condition!
* Solutions manual for Chemistry book.  Paperback.
* Study guide for Chemistry book.  Paperback.
Send me your offers via email at 02106@chopin.udel.edu
Sam
02106@chopin.udel.edu
From: alin@nyx.cs.du.edu (ailin lin)
Subject: 1.2MB external FD for PS/2(extremely cheap)
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Lines: 11
Subject: 1.2 External FD for PS/2 (extremely cheap)
I have a brand new 1.2 external floppy drive for PS/2, still in the box.
I will sell it for $90 + shipping/firm, which is half of the market price
(check page 474 of Computer Shopper, Apr-93 issue, the price is $179 there).
Please let me know if you are interested.
Ailin
803-654-8817
From: alin@nyx.cs.du.edu (ailin lin)
Subject: LD ext. floppy drive for MAC(extremely cheap)
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Lines: 10
I have a brand new low density 5.25" floppy drive for MAC.
It comes with a brand new Apple Macintosh II PC drive card, so
that you can hook the drive up to the card.
It allows you to use DOS formatted disks.
I am selling it for $90 (abt 1/3 retail price).
Ailin
803-654-8817
buyers pay shipping.
Subject: unix sale
From: "mike budlanski" <mike.budlanski@canrem.com>
Reply-To: "mike budlanski" <mike.budlanski@canrem.com>
Distribution: misc
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Lines: 24
****UNIX****UNIX****UNIX****UNIX****UNIX****UNIX****UNIX****
FORSALE:
ESIX UNIX System V Release 4 - NEW!
2 user license system - $400
Unlimited user license system - $450
2 user license system with dev kit - $500
Unlimited user license system with dev kit - $550
The above systems include all of the floppies or tapes and
instalation manuals. They are new and have never been
installed before. Market value for the above systems is
about $1500 US! If you are interested, please contact me
at 416-233-6038.
Thanks,
...Mike
mike.budlanski@canrem.com
--
Canada Remote Systems - Toronto, Ontario
416-629-7000/629-7044
From: jac2y@Virginia.EDU ("Jonathan A. Cook <jac2y>")
Subject: Re: !!!!JAZZ CD 4 sale/trade!
Organization: University of Virginia
Lines: 5
Sell it for $10, then.  I can't really offer more than $8 at
this point.
Thanks,
Jon
From: jac2y@Virginia.EDU ("Jonathan A. Cook <jac2y>")
Subject: Re: Classic CDs 4 sale!!
Organization: University of Virginia
Lines: 7
Hey, I can't send mail to you, so....
Could you please resend me your address?  I lost it (for H. in
Moscow)
Thanks,
Jon
From: dchurch@nmt.edu (Dan Church)
Subject: *** Lots of CDs For Sale! ***
Article-I.D.: nmt.1993Apr19.213217.15250
Distribution: na
Organization: New Mexico Tech
Lines: 43
I have a lot of CDs for sale.  Prices are $7 per CD and $3 per CD Single.
CDs are noted by (CD) and CD Singles by (CDS).  Please include $1 extra
per CD for s/h costs.  IF you want to buy a lot of them, then we'll work
out a deal with the shipping costs!
Type      Group                         Title
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CDS       Boys to Men                   Motown Philly
CDS       C & C Music Factory           Keep it Comin'
CDS       Moby                          Go (Remixes)
CDS       Quadrophonia                  Schizophrenia
CDS       Swing Out Sister              Not Gonna Change
CDS       Recoil                        Faith Healer
CDS       Seal                          The Beginning
CDS       Transvision Vamp              Tranvision Vamp
CDS       C & C Music Factory           Gonna Make U Sweat
CDS       Nitzer Ebb                    Godhead
CDS       Roxette                       How Do You Do!
CDS       B-52's                        Good Stuff
CDS       Duran Duran                   Violence of Summer
CDS       Nitzer Ebb                    AS IS
CDS       Vanessa Williams              Running Back to You
CD        Seal                          SEAL
CD        LFO                           Frequencies
CD        Morissey                      Kill Uncle
CD        Underworld                    Change the Weather
CD        Jody Watley                   You Wanna Dance With Me?
CD        Dead or Alive                 Fan the Flame
CD        Transvision Vamp              Velveteen
CD        Adam Ant                      Manners & Physique
CD        Fine Young Cannibals          The Raw & the Remix
CD        Black Box                     Dreamland
CD        Civilles & Cole               Greatest Remixes Vol. 1
CD        Black Box                     Mixed Up!
CD        Scorpions                     The Best of Rockers &
Ballads
CD        A & M Underground Dance       Jam Harder
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Dan Church        | Quote -> "Only God can make a tree, but it took a man
Box 3268 CS       | <- Mail                     to invent dwarf tossing!"
Socorro, NM 87801 | Email -> dchurch@nmt.edu          - E. Hobbs
From: Peter Todd Chan <pc1o+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Klipsch Forte 2 SPKRS 4 Sale
Organization: Fifth yr. senior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Lines: 14
NNTP-Posting-Host: po3.andrew.cmu.edu
ITEM: Klipsch Forte 2 Speakers
CONDITION: Mint
AGE: 6 months old
PRICE: $1000/pair (retail: $1400/pair)
These speakers are in perfect condition and used only in audiophile system.
They are floor standing and come with all the original packagaing and
literature. They are also still under warranty. If you are interested or
have  any questions, please feel free to e-mail (pc1o@andrew.cmu.edu) or call
me at home.
Thanks,
Jon
(412) 882-6425
From: Kam-Chung Cheung <kc35+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Squirrel Hill Studio
Organization: Masters student, Industrial Administration, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Lines: 18
NNTP-Posting-Host: po3.andrew.cmu.edu
Squirrel Hill Studio/Efficiency available in mid May.  My lease is expiring on
7/31/93.  Perfect for someone looking for temporary housing or someone
who wants
to stay beyond July.
- Nice short walk to CMU
- $325/month
- Plenty of parking space on street
- Quiet neighborhood
- nearly new carpet
- Call 421-8466
From: wgs1@Isis.MsState.Edu (Walter G. Seefeld)
Subject: SyQuest internal 44 drive with 8 cartridges: sale or trade
Summary: Will trade 350Mb for ~300Mb IDE, or sell for $450
Nntp-Posting-Host: isis.msstate.edu
Organization: Mississippi State University
Distribution: na
Lines: 21
This drive is less than one year old.  The cartridges have all been bought
since then.  All is in excellent condition and still under warranty.
Due to a change in system use, I now need a large, contiguous drive.
Offer includes:
SyDos 44i internal drive
SCSI adapter card and cables
All original documentation
Software
All original packaging
8 cartridges totalling over 350Mb (no bad sectors or defects)
The installation was a breeze on my 386 clone.
I will trade for something near 300Mb IDE, or sell for $450.
I will also consider trading for 4 4Mx9 30 pin SIMMs at 70ns.
--
Walter G. Seefeld          |  By the dawn's early light,
940 N. Jackson St. #1A     |  By all I know is right,
Starkville, MS 39759       |  We're going to reap what we have sown.
N5QXR                      |   -Jackson Brown
From: kohlhepp@cae.wisc.edu (Robert Kohlhepp)
Subject: RasterOps 8XL
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Distribution: usa
Lines: 14
I have a video board for sale for Macintosh NU-Bus machines.  My other deal fell through.  I am asking $200.
RasterOps 8XL
640x480
800x600  <--- This was incorrectly posted as 832x624 before.
640x870
1024x768 (60hz & 75 hz)
1152x870
Make offers by mail.
--
RJ Kohlhepp		Novell Systems Staff
kohlhepp@cae.wisc.edu	Computer Aided Engineering
From: loyd@seq.uncwil.edu (David Loyd)
Subject: Sci Fi books for sale! Best Offer!
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Lines: 52
I would like to sell the following sci-fi books at Best Offer.
If you are interested, please email an offer and be sure to include
shipping and handling. I prefer not to ship COD but if you purchase
$25 or more, I will consider.
Han Solo and the Lost Legacy
Han Solo's Revenge
Han Solo at Stars End
Splinter in the Minds Eye
The Empire Strikes Back
Star Wars
Star Trek: The Motion Picture
Star Trek: Wrath of Kahn
The Official Star Trek Trivia Book
Star Trek Reader Vol I
Star Trek Reader Vol II      These are the book form of the
Star Trek Reader Vol III           Original TV Series
Star Trek Reader Vol IV
Dune
Dune Messiah
Children of Dune
God Emperor of Dune
Altered States
Alien
Close Encounters of the Third Kind
DragonSlayer
The Mists of Avalon
The Compleat Book of Sowrds
The Lost Swords
2001: A Space Odyssey
2010: Odyssey II
2061: Odyssey III
Barlowes Complete Guide to ExtraTresstials
Again, best offer and don't be shy.
Thanks
--
loyd@seq.uncwil.edu
Amiga 2000 Tower                                       144 Megs HD Space
VXL 40mhz '030 w/ 33 mhz FPU                           8 megs 32 bit Ram
Supra 2400ZI+ Modem     Sony KV-1311CR Monitor         Wangtek 60meg TB
From: wgs1@Isis.MsState.Edu (Walter G. Seefeld)
Subject: Klipsch KG1 speakers Like New - $200 + shipping
Nntp-Posting-Host: isis.msstate.edu
Organization: Mississippi State University
Distribution: na
Lines: 10
One pair of kg1's in Oak finish with black grilles.
Includes original packaging.
$200 + shipping Firm.
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Walter G. Seefeld          |  By the dawn's early light,
940 N. Jackson St. #1A     |  By all I know is right,
Starkville, MS 39759       |  We're going to reap what we have sown.
N5QXR                      |   -Jackson Brown
From: mkawecki@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (michael.kawecki)
Subject: *** TurboGrafx System For SALE ***
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Lines: 25
Take Everything for $210
TurboGrafx-16 Base Unit (works like new) with:
1 Controller
AC Adapter
Antenna hookup
* Games:
Kieth Courage
Victory Run
Fantasy Zone
Military Madness
Battle Royal
Legendary Axe
Blazing Lasers
Bloody Wolf
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* Will sell games separatley at $25 each
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Please Call Mike: 908-949-3804 (Day)
908-469-3250 (Eves)
From: cs3sd3ae@maccs.mcmaster.ca (Holly       KS)
Subject: Eric Bosco where are you?!
Nntp-Posting-Host: maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca
Organization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University
Distribution: usa
Lines: 4
Eric, send me email with your address, I lost it! I've reconsidered!
Kevin
From: jorge@erex.East.Sun.COM (Jorge Lach - Sun BOS Hardware)
Subject: Typewriter w/computer interface
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc. - BDC
Lines: 17
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: jorge@erex.East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: erex.east.sun.com
I have the following item for sale:
Electronic Typewriter: Panasonic KT-32, with 22K memory, small LCD display. I'm
selling it bundled with a Panasonic computer interface (RPK105) for this
typewriter. You can connect it to any PC parallel port (sorry, no
cable). It works perfect, even in Windows (TTY printer). It's
great if you need to send letter with "typewriter look". In
stand-alone mode it has 3 pitches, and several "effects" like
underline, bold, overstrike. Built-in dictionary and character/word/
line correction. Asking $150 for both the typewriter and the
interface
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Jorge.Lach@East.Sun.Com		East Coast Division, Chelmsford, MA
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From: george@cs.umass.edu (KOSHY GEORGE)
Subject: WANTED/Summer Housing/Seattle(Univ of Washington)
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Lines: 25
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: giane.cs.umass.edu
Summer Housing needed-at University of Washington, Seattle.
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Hi
I am looking for a place to stay for the summer
at the University of Washington, Seattle, where I would be
doing an  internship. If any of you from UofW Seattle, has
got some kind of space for summer sublet, please send an
email/call to me.
I expect to start my internship in the first week
of June.
-Koshy George
george@cs.umass.edu
Koshy George,
54, Puffton Village,
Amherst, MA, 01002.
413-549-7373 H
413-545-2014 O
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From: holmes@mrx.webo.dg.com (Chris Holmes)
Subject: CASIO CZ-101 49 key synth $125/BO
Reply-To: holmes@mrx.webo.dg.com
Organization: Data General Corporation, Westborough, MA
Lines: 29
OK... I've done a little research and the price I've been asking
was a BIT high.  So...
Casio CZ-101 Synthesizer	$125 or best offer
Features:
uses FM modulation to create sounds --
programmable ADSR envelopes for each of 2 DCA's (amplitude), 2 DCW's
(pitch, like a VCF), and 2 DCO's (waveform, like VCO) with up to 8
steps for each
16 preset sounds, 8 more in memory, 8 more still in RAM cartridge.
49 stubby keys
Pitch Bend Wheel
MIDI in/out ports
Includes:
All the manuals you could ever want
AC adapter (can use 6 D batteries)
Line cord
1 RAM cartridge -- holds 8 additional sounds
I'll throw in a bunch of sheet music and "Play Rock Keyboards" too.
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Christopher Holmes      |   Do not insert this email in the ear canal.
Terminals Development Group |  My evil twin blew up the World Trade Center
Data General Corporation  |   and all I got was this stupid .sig file!
Westboro, MA         |       Internet: holmes@mrx.webo.dg.com
From: wsyu@nyx.cs.du.edu (Wei-Yun Yu)
Subject: Windows 3.1(new) for sale $35
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: usa
Lines: 4
I have a Windows 3.1 package for sale. New stil in shrink wrapped. I am
asking for $35. I will consider to trade a used 1.44M floppy drive. Leave
a message if interested.
From: PXY@ECLX.PSU.EDU (Pen-Li Yen)
Subject: Slide projectors trade for photo equipments
Organization: Penn State Engineering Computer Lab
Lines: 17
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: eclx.psu.edu
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24
There are many people want to buy my Kodak autofocus carousel projectors
but I don't have lenses or remote to sell.  They prefer to buy a projector
with all accessaries.  So I have to post another news asking for lenses
to fit those Kodak slide projectors:
I am willing to give away Singer Caramate II or Singer Caramete SP (
w/ built-in unremovable lens, built-in casette player, speaker, new 500 HR
bulb) try to trade for Kodak projector lenses.
Each projector (viewer) will equal trade for 1 or 2 Kodak projector lenses
depend on the focal length.  I will pay for the shipping for Singer
projector (viewer).
Since I don't need those Singer projectors, if you have some 35mm SLR system
you don't need, I am willing to do the trade as well.
Yuesea
From: cwilliam@tigger.cs.colorado.edu (Christopher Williamson)
Subject: ** Oscilloscope for sale $99 + probes $25 ea. **
Nntp-Posting-Host: tigger.cs.colorado.edu
Organization: University of Colorado at Boulder
Distribution: na
Lines: 13
I have a Tektronix T921 15Mhz scope for sale.  It is a nice, simple
unit to learn on.  I used it while I was in school.  If you want one
to play with at home, this is easy and inexpensive.  It has a nice
handle and is quite lightweight and easy to move around.
I will consider selling the probes seperately for $25 ea.  They are HP
10017A probes suitable for this type of scope.  The probes are NOT
included in the price of $99 for the scope.
If you need more technical info, you will have to come look at it, as
I am not a scope expert and what I have said is all I know.
Chris
From: gregg@netcom.com (gregg weber)
Subject: camcorder sony 8 mm forsale $350
Keywords: camcorder
Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Lines: 10
It is 5 years old. Model CCD-V5. 6x zoom. Everything works perfectly.
Uses 8 mm tapes (not Hi-8, that was not around 5 years ago!).
$350 plus shipping or best offer.
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Gregg Weber		Let it be, open and bright like the sky,
gregg@netcom.com	Without taking sides, with no clouds of concepts.
(510) 283-6264		- kun-mkhyen klong-chen-pa
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From: gt0869a@prism.gatech.EDU (WATERS,CLYDE GORDON)
Subject: Re: 486DX/33 CPU chip for sale, $250
Distribution: na
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology
Lines: 20
In article <C5qoBy.9n5@utdallas.edu> goyal@utdallas.edu (MOHIT K GOYAL) writes:
>>> 486DX/33 CPU chip for sale, $250+shipping.  If you like to pay $250 for the
>>Please refer to 7870, he is selling $150 for that CPU.
>
>Correct. & $150 may be high now that AMD has started selling 486 clones!
Indeed! Word is, Intel's lawsuit against AMD was absolutely THROWN OUT of
court Monday! AMD said they would be shipping chips WITH THE INTEL INSTRUCTION
SET next week!!! 486 chip prices are going to go through the floor,
mark my words!!!
Regards,
Gordon.
--
WATERS,CLYDE GORDON-BME '93-Georgia Institute of Technology Atlanta Ga.
"Out of the mountain of despair, we can hew the stone of hope"- MLK Jr.
uucp:	  ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt0869a
Internet: gt0869a@prism.gatech.edu
From: tae0460@zeus.tamu.edu (ANDREW)
Subject: COMPLETE 386 SYSTEM FOR SALE
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Lines: 34
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: zeus.tamu.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41
386DX 25Mhz   (DTK motherboard  Intel microprocessor)
128k internal cache
4 megs Ram
89 meg Harddrive    (IDE controller)
1.2 meg floppy drive
1.44 meg floppy drive
2 serial ports
1 parallel port
Samsung VGA monitor
VGA graphics card
101 key keyboard
2400 baud internal modem
MS-DOS 6.0
Procomm Plus  ver. 2.0
Norton Utilities  ver. 4.5
other varius utilities
I'm upgrading and need to sell.  The system is reliable and ready to go.
I've never had any problems with it.
I'm asking  $1050 o.b.o.
If you're interested, please respond by either E-mail or phone.
TAE0460@zeus.tamu.edu
or
409-696-6043
Thanks,
Andrew
From: pochanay@cae.wisc.edu (Adisak Pochanayon)
Subject: 24-pin Printer For Sale as well
Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin--Madison
Lines: 35
I have a 24-pin printer which is an ALPs Allegro24.  It's both a fast
printer with LQ and a very sophisticated design.  It has a straight paper
path and the capability of auto-forwarding sheets to tear off and then back
(a big paper saver as you never have to waste sheets to get a current
print out).  It can also handle single sheets without removing the formfeed
and has sophisticated preferences options (you can interactively program
all the preferences to control the printer and get printed feedback without
ever using a computer).  You get prompts and menus to pick your current setup
and default set up.  This was THE top of the line LQ dot matrix when I bought
it three years ago for $399.  It is also Epson LQ2500 compatible (besides it's
own modes) and comes with IBM driver software (which I've never used since I
own an Amiga).  Has a card slot for upgrading memory or fonts.
I'll let it go for $150 including shipping prepaid.  COD orders must pay
all shipping and COD costs.
Adisak Pochanayon - 608-238-2463
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Also a light gun and UFORCE controller for Nintendo but with PD driver
software to use them on the Amiga.  The light gun is fully remote (no wires).
Best offer over $75 ($30 less than my cost and they are both brand new).
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Jeez!!! It never fails, get in the tub and there's a rub at the lamp!
-- The Genie from Aladdin.
pochanay@cae.wisc.edu   eddie (Adisak) Pochanayon
Check out all of SilverFox SoftWare's Releases.... your Amiga entertainment.
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From: crane@coral.bucknell.edu (Curt Crane)
Subject: Raichle ski boots for sale, size 11-11.5
Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, PA, USA
Lines: 11
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: coral.bucknell.edu
I also have a pair of size 11-11.5 Raichle Flexon Comps.
These boots are black and yellow.  they are in good condition.
I would like around $100 for them also but feel
free to make an offer.
Please reply to:  crane@coral.bucknell.edu
Thanks,
Curt
From: Gregory.Park@dartmouth.edu (Gregory Park)
Subject: ROLAND JUNO-60 SYNTHESIZER*UNIDEN RADAR DETECTOR 4 SALE
X-Posted-From: InterNews 1.0b15@dartmouth.edu
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
Lines: 10
ROLAND JUNO 60- SYNTHESIZER. EXCELLENT CONDITION. GREAT FAT ANALOG
SOUND. USED IN THE SONG "JUMP" BY VAN HALEN. $300 OR BEST OFFER
UNIDEN RD-9XL RADAR DETECTOR- EXCELLENT CONDITION. DON'T BE CAUGHT BY
THE COPS! $50 OR BEST OFFER! SMALLER THAN A CREDIT CARD. COMPACT!
FOR THE KEYBOARD EMAIL GREG.PARK@DARTMOUTH.EDU
FOR THE RADAR EMAIL RICH.LEE@DARTMOUTH.EDU
CIAO.
Subject: WIN/DOS Misc. Software
From: michael.leonard@exchange.wyvern.com (Michael Leonard)
Distribution: world
Organization: EXCHANGE BBS *21 Nodes*  Tidewaters "Window to the World" 14.4bis (804)552-1010
Lines: 75
Help me make money for a new modem
$180.00 takes it ALL
***** SHIPPING NOT INCLUDED IN PRICE *****
*   All original documentation & disks are include.
Some software unregistered, others will have letter for transfer
of ownership.
*   Will sell software seperately, purchase must be greater than
$30.00.
*   Purchases over $60.00 get choice of two (2) software selections
with "*" footnote
W - Windows 3.x version
D - DOS version
R - Registered (letter of transfer)
U - Unregistered
* - Special offer
MS Windows 3.0
MS Windows 3.0 Resource Kit (bound ed.). . . . . . . . . . $ 15.00 WR
Norton Desktop for Windows 1.0. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 15.00 WR
MS Excel 4.0. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 70.00 WR
Gateway 2000 version (all docs & disks MS)
This is the real thing, it only shipped
with my computer!!
MicroCourier 1.0. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 15.00 WU
Communucations software
MS Entertainment Pack I. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $ 10.00*WR
MicroProse's Gunship 2000 (VGA only). . . . . . . . . . . .$ 20.00 DU
Links 386-PRO. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $ 25.00 DR
Includes Bountiful Golf Course
Wing Commander II
(Vengeance of the Kilrathi!). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 20.00 DR
F-15 Strike Eagle II. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 10.00*DR
Risk (EGA). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$  8.00*DU
EasyFlow 6.0. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 35.00 DU
Brand new - Never used
Quicken 4.0. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $ 15.00 DR
Franklin Language Master. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 10.00*DR
Not a spell checker, but a dictionary
TSR that pops up for any DOS app.
Each word has direct link to the thesaurus
IBM DOS 4.00. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 10.00*DR
TOTAL. . . . . $313.00
- DISCOUNT. . . .$133.00
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YOUR COST. . . $180.00
Call Michael @ (804) 486-7018 any day between 10a & 10p est. or leave
E-mail.  Thanks!
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� VbReader V1.4 �*** BUSH Presidency ABORTED - RECOVERY Hopeful!!! ***
From: easwarakv@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: CD'S FOR SALE
Lines: 20
Organization: University of Massachusetts Lowell
Th following cd's are for sale. Each cd cost 10$ except otherwise indicated
which includes shipping and handling.
Achtung baby				U2 *
Joshua tree				U2 **
The immaculate collection              Madonna **  $12
Love hurts                              Cher *
Garth brooks                           Garth brooks *
Red hot ..chilli peppers..               **
OOOOOHHHHH				TLC **
Light and shadows			wilson **
* Used only once.
** never used, most of them are still in shrink wraps
Please email to
kGC @ woods.ulowell.edu
From: richg@sequent.com (Richard Garrett)
Subject: Computers for sale ( PC and amiga )
Article-I.D.: sequent.1993Apr21.151726.26547
Distribution: na
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Lines: 57
Nntp-Posting-Host: crg8.sequent.com
Its time for a little house cleaning after my PC upgrade.  I have the following
for sale:
Leading Technology PC partner (286) sytsem.  includes
80286 12mhz intel cpu
85Mb IDE drive (brand new - canabalized from new system)
3.5 and 5.24 floppies
1 Meg ram
vga congroller
kb
5.0 dos on hard drive
need to get $300 for system
AT style kb - $20
Logitech serial trackman with latest drivers $45
Amiga 500 with 2.0 roms installed and 1Mb video ram and 4Mb addon ram
501 clone (512K ram and clock)
Roctec addon disk IDE disk controller includes SCSI option
Quantum 105mb SCSI drive with lots of software
4mb ( 4 x 1mb simm) installed in roctec
Amiga DOS 2.04
ICD Flicker Fixer II
Asking $500 for  system,
I will part out the amiga, make an offer!
amiga Software
Cando				- $25
Textcraft Plus			- $5
tetris & welltris		- $5 for both
Sword of Sodam			- $5
Qix				- $5
Carmen Sandiego			- $5
Crossword Construction Kit	- $10
Canadian Prototype Replicas
CD rom Fast File System		- $30
Hypermedia CD rom containing fred fish disks 1-480
includes registration card, low cost upgrades.	$20
Amiga hardware Reference Man	- $5
Amiga to vga monitor cable	- $5
two joysticks			- $5 each
Prices DO NOT include shipping.
Contact Rich Garrett
Email - richg@sequent.com
HOME (503) 591-5466	WORK (503) 578-3822
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Subject: Mives 4 Sale (update)
From: koutd@hiramb.hiram.edu (DOUGLAS KOU)
Organization: Hiram College
Nntp-Posting-Host: hiramb.hiram.edu
Lines: 15
VHS movie for sale
Kevin Costner	Dances withs Wolves
Just open and was used once, $12.00 or best offer, buyer will have
to pay shipping. ($1.00 for shipping)
Let me know if you are interested, and send your offer to this
e-mail address. Koutd@hirama.hiram.edu
thanks,
Douglas Kou
Hiram College
From: Mike Diack <mike-d@staff.tc.umn.edu>
Subject: NuBus NTSC Genlock card f/sale
X-Xxdate: Sat, 17 Apr 93 02:54:45 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host: dialup-slip-1-97.gw.umn.edu
Organization: persian cat & carpet co.
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7
Lines: 5
"Computer Friends" nubus card - good for doing graphics overlays on
your videos etc. $275 with apple 8 bit vid card, $225 without. Wont
sell vid card separately. UPS (U pay shipping).
cheers
Mike.
From: olds@helix.nih.gov (James Olds)
Subject: Thule roof rack with bike accessories: $100 take it all.
Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda
Distribution: na
Lines: 11
For Sale: A Thule Car rack with 2 bike holder accessories.
Comes with Nissan Pathfinder brackets but you can buy the
appropriate ones for your car cheap.
Looking for $100.00 for everything. I live in the Bethesda area.
Thanks for your interest.
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* James L. Olds Ph.D.                 Neural Systems Section               *
* domain: olds@helix.nih.gov           NINDS, NIH, Bethesda, MD. 20892 USA *
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From: mark@ocsmd.ocs.com (Mark Wilson)
Subject: UPDATE: Hard Drive, VGA, etc.
Organization: Online Computer Systems, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Lines: 36
[ Article crossposted from misc.forsale.computers.pc-clone ]
[ Author was Mark Wilson ]
[ Posted on Fri, 16 Apr 1993 13:18:42 GMT ]
UPDATE ("for sale" items):
(All plus shipping)
1. CORE 72Mb Hard drive, model AT72, works fine,
5 1/4" full-height, reduced to $90
2. MFM controller for the above, would like to sell
with above, have $15 asking price,
but will sell with #1 above for $100 combined.
3. AT-style case $10 (in process of selling)
4. VGA card, 512K, now asking $25
5. 386 Max, version 6.0, now asking $25
Please email mark@ocsmd.ocs.com or use phone #s below.
- Mark
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From: am229@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Terry S. Collins)
Subject: SMARTCAM VERSION 7 FOR SALE AND 486 33DX
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
Lines: 14
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu
SMARTCAM VERSION 7 FOR SALE. Purchased in August 1992. Latest version!
Also willing to sell 486 33dx. 124mg hard drive. 17" multi scan monitor.
paid $11,000 for software and $2800 for computer. Also includes 1 yr maintanence
contract that can be updated every year for apx. $950 per year.
Make offer.
Call 1 800 940-7874
or 216-941-7400
ask for Terry
From: alee@ecs.umass.edu
Subject: ***** HP calculator for $13 *****
Lines: 13
Greetings!
HP 20s forsale.
comes with case
no manuals
excellent condition
asking for $13.00
If interested, please E-mail today.
Al
From: rivkin@watson.bms.com (TERRI RIVKIN, TERRI RIVKIN)
Subject: House for Sale in Mercerville, NJ
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1
Organization: Bristol Myers Squibb Pharmaceutical Research Institute
Lines: 22
I am posting this for a friend.  Please do not respond to me.  Thanks.
House for Sale!!!!!
16 Brockton Road, Mercerville, New Jersey
Description:  Beautiful 3 bedroom, 1 1/2 bath cape cod located on a large
tastefully landscaped corner with fenced in lot.  This home features an eat-in
kitchen with built-in corner china closet, a large living room, wall-to-wall
carpeting, hardwood floors, new ceramic tile foyer, and freshly painted
neutral tone decor. This home includes new central air and heating, new roof,
new water heater, aluminum siding, storm windows and doors and Rockwell
insulation in all exterior walls.  Also features a new partially finished
basement with an outside entrance and new Duro shed.  Lots of storage space.
Convenient to Rt. 295.
Extras:  Dishwasher, Washer and Dryer, Ceiling Fans, and Window Treatments
Call for appointment at (609) 586-1946.
*****Open House on Sunday, April 18th, 1:00 - 4:00.  Call for Directions*****
From: jllee@acsu.buffalo.edu (Johnny L Lee)
Subject: RE:  === MOVING SALE ===
Summary: RE:  === MOVING SALE ===
Organization: UB
Lines: 44
Nntp-Posting-Host: lictor.acsu.buffalo.edu
Reduced Prices!
I have a list of things forsale on behalf of my brother, who's moving (moved
already)
Offer:
1) Black and Decker Duster Plus (Portable Hand Vaccum)
purchased for $32, 					  $12
2) SR-1000 Dual Cassette Portable Player, AM/FM
5-Band graphics Equalizer, high speed dubing, Duo
Tape.Tape deck A, seems to have lost treble sound.
But, I bet  it's fixable.
purchased for $80					  $25
3)Monolux Zoom MicroScope, up to 1200X magnification
Made in Japan, includes case and accessories
purchased for $50					  $20
4)Sunbeam 1400 Hair Dryer, the dryer you put your
head under/into. You know, the ones you see in the salons.
(Don't ask me why my bro had it)
purchased for $60				          $24
5)Everylast Speed Bag, all leather. Brand new, never
used								  $10
6)Osterizer Pusle Matic Blender, with 10 speeds
and a cookbook, 5 years old					  $10
purchased for $50
8)Binolux Binoculars . 7x35, extra wide angle
525ft. at 1000yds. with case. very new.		                  $20
9)Proctor and Silex Spray,Steam and Dry Iron.
very new.							  $10
Any questions, contact me thru e-mail and I will reply expeditously
And always, S+H are not included, so please consider this.
And lastly, I'm a very reasonable.Very Reasonable.
Thanks,
John
From: forman@ide.com (Bonnie Forman)
Subject: Mac Classic II
Originator: forman@owl
Organization: Interactive Development Environments, SF
Lines: 13
Mac Classic 2 4/40  for sale
1 year old, excellent condition
Includes dustcovers, freeware/shareware (including many fonts )
$800.00
email or call 510/947-6987 (SF Bay Area)
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From: ac999135@umbc.edu (ac999135)
Subject: <><><> WANTED: TG-16 Games --- 2 Player or More <><><>
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus
Lines: 6
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: umbc8.umbc.edu
X-Auth-User: ac999135
Well, the title says it all...I'm looking to buy cheap used
TG-16 Gmaes which have 2 or more player support (Simultaneous)....
Please email me all offers with a price...
Rohit
From: jllee@acsu.buffalo.edu (Johnny L Lee)
Subject: RE:  == MOVING SALE ===
Summary: RE:  === MOVING SALE ===
Organization: UB
Lines: 44
Nntp-Posting-Host: lictor.acsu.buffalo.edu
Reduced Prices!
I have a list of things forsale on behalf of my brother, who's moving (moved
already)
Offer:
1) Black and Decker Duster Plus (Portable Hand Vaccum)
purchased for $32, 					  $12
2) SR-1000 Dual Cassette Portable Player, AM/FM
5-Band graphics Equalizer, high speed dubing, Duo
Tape.Tape deck A, seems to have lost treble sound.
But, I bet  it's fixable.
purchased for $80					  $25
3)Monolux Zoom MicroScope, up to 1200X magnification
Made in Japan, includes case and accessories
purchased for $50					  $20
4)Sunbeam 1400 Hair Dryer, the dryer you put your
head under/into. You know, the ones you see in the salons.
(Don't ask me why my bro had it)
purchased for $60				          $24
5)Everylast Speed Bag, all leather. Brand new, never
used								  $10
6)Osterizer Pusle Matic Blender, with 10 speeds
and a cookbook, 5 years old					  $10
purchased for $50
8)Binolux Binoculars . 7x35, extra wide angle
525ft. at 1000yds. with case. very new.		                  $20
9)Proctor and Silex Spray,Steam and Dry Iron.
very new.							  $10
Any questions, contact me thru e-mail and I will reply expeditously
And always, S+H are not included, so please consider this.
And lastly, I'm a very reasonable.Very Reasonable.
Thanks,
John
From: chein@eng.auburn.edu (Tsan Heui)
Subject: IN CASE A DEAL IS A LEMON ....
Nntp-Posting-Host: wilbur.eng.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Distribution: usa
Lines: 22
Hi to all.
Since all of you could also be a seller as well as a buyer, I'd like to bring
this issue for discussion - what would be the best solution in case a deal
became a lemon?
As I understand most people selling things over the net do not grant a warranty,I am in such a situation that the seller did not state whether a warranty would be granted or not and the item I received is out of order. The seller insisted
that it was 'in good condition' when he sent it and so would just return half ofthe amount that I paid if I send the item back to him and after he is sured it
is bad. Is this reasonable?
Basically I would like to believe the seller tells the truth. Also, I am positively to say that I've not done anything wrong which might cause the failure of
the thing. My assumption here is everyone is honest - so rule out the possibility that either one of the two parties or both are liars.
I would like to hear your opinion - either in here or directly respond to my
e-mail address.
I know there is such a risk that you could lose money. But, how can we make it
enjoyable to most people and not wasting the bandwidth?
chein
From: steve@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Steve Glicker)
Subject: 2 1000W Power Supplies
Nntp-Posting-Host: rooster
Organization: Applied Research Labs, The University of Texas at Austin
Distribution: misc
Lines: 14
Two LH Research SM11-1 power supplies (SM10 series).
1000W, 5V, 200A (currently wired for 115VAC)
Control lines: +/- sense, on/off, pwr.fail, high/low margin, and
current monitor.
(The list price from LH Research is $824.00 each for qty. 1-9)
Asking $500.00 for the pair.
Steve Glicker
Austin, Texas
(steve@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu)
From: m14494@mwvm.mitre.org (Mike White)
Subject: Re: eXpEn$iVe MOTOROLA Handheld Radio For Peanuts!
Nntp-Posting-Host: smassimini-mac.mitre.org
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Distribution: na
Lines: 23
Jeff Later writes:
> MOTOROLA EXPO VHF 2WATT/2CHAN. HT--------[new]-------$1200.00
> Would like $400, or BEST OFFER!!!
I'm sure that the Motorola is worth it, but this kind of thing
has always mystified me.  $400 is the price of very good, new
dual-band, fully synthasized HT.  Yes, yes, I know Motorola
HTs are bullet-proof, unbreakable, plutonium-based
indestructable -- you can drive a tank over them and they'll
still work.  But just how often does that come up?  Why are hams
willing (and they *are*) to spend the price of a synthaszied
dual-bander for a 2-channel xtal rig???  Note: this is not
a flame; as I said, I'm sure this is a good deal for this rig.
I'm just amazed that it *is* a good deal.  I would have guessed
that a 2 channel xtal rig could never be worth as much as a dual-
bander to a ham, no matter how durable. Just shows you how wrong
*I* can be.
Mike, N4PDY
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From: 02106@ravel.udel.edu (Samuel Ross)
Subject: Books for sale cheap!!!
Nntp-Posting-Host: ravel.udel.edu
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: usa
Lines: 28
SOMEONE PLEASE BUY THESE BOOKS!!!!!  I AM NOT ASKING MUCH!!!!!!
JUST MAKE ME AN OFFER AND I WILL PROBABLY TAKE IT!!!!!
* Calculus w/ Analytic Geometry by Authur B. Simon (copyright date 1982), below avg condition but still readable!
* Writing good software in Fortran, Graham Smith.
* The Holt Handbook by Kirszner & Mandell (copyright 1986) 720+ page writing guide.
* Algebra & Trigonometry, A problem Solving Approach, 3rd edition by W. Flemming and D. Varberg.  Very good condition.
* General Chemistry Principles & Modern Applications, R. Petrucci, fourth
edition.  Big Book! Very good condition!
* Solutions manual for Chemistry book.  Paperback.
* Study guide for Chemistry book.  Paperback.
Send me your offers via email at 02106@chopin.udel.edu
Sam
02106@chopin.udel.edu
From: ttesta@kali.enet.dec.com (Tom Testagrossa)
Subject: Re: Is itproper net etiquette to advertise a company's junk mail list?
Lines: 34
Reply-To: ttesta@kali.enet.dec.com (Tom Testagrossa)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Maynard, Ma.
Distribution: usa
--In article <1993Apr15.234451.15707@leland.Stanford.EDU>, thomper@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dale Buford Thompson) writes:
In article <C5JCCG.3Bn@tsoft.net> you write:
>[stuff deleted]
>
>My company maintains a 20,000+ mailing list which is regularly rented for
^^^^^^^^^^
>[MORE stuff deleted]
>TEd
>>It is my impression that net etiquette does not allow companies to
>>use the net to directly advertise their products.
>>In addition to improper etiquette, this product is a mailing list
>>used for generating junk mail.
>>Am I correct in assuming this is improper, and if so, what can be
>>done to penalize such an improper use?
>>Dale Thompson
Well, Dale, I'd say offhand "Keel-hauling" would work pretty
well...we haven't had a good "keel-hauling" in a long time... (Sorry, it came up in a conversation yesterday and, well, I just love that phrase...)
Or maybe just ask for folks to flood the guys mailbox with
the FAQ for net-etiquitte...sort of poetic justice for all the junk mail
he was trying to generate anyway...
Tom T
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From: pathall@astro.as.arizona.edu (Patrick B. Hall)
Subject: FOR SALE: Sega Genesis system
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ
Lines: 9
My roommate is selling a Sega Genesis system with Sonic I,
in very nice condition, for $100 obo.  Please respond via
email to:
pathall@as.arizona.edu
Alternate email addresses are phall@noao.edu and moe@ccit.arizona.edu.
Thanks,
Pat Hall
From: aaf0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Andrew Aaron Feigin)
Subject: 84 Mazda Pickup, (College Pro, Student Painters, LOOK.)
Organization: Lehigh University
Lines: 26
84 Mazda Pickup
Rebuilt engine at 60,000 miles.
New Transmission, 5 speed.
88,000 miles.
New brakes, new brake calipers.
BRAND NEW CLUTCH, only 200 miles on it.
professional ladder racks, can hold up to 6 ladders..
4 cylinder, gets 30-35 miles to the gallon.
Fog lights.
Tach.
Runs Great.
===============
All inquires should write back or call.  I will have it Saturday Afternoon,
and Sunday if you would like to take a look at it.
Phone: 1-215-882-3154
If your are Painting this summer, this is an excellent vehicle to use.
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From: shaq@shelley.u.washington.edu (Chris Liu)
Subject: Game Boy games wanted!
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Lines: 3
NNTP-Posting-Host: shelley.u.washington.edu
I'm looking for some Game Boy games.  Please e-mail me with your list and offers!  Thanks!  Also, if you have a game boy you want to get rid of, please tell me.
Chris
From: frp@table.NSD.3Com.COM (Frank R. Pereira)
Subject: Moving Sale
Distribution: ba
Organization: 3Com Corporation
Lines: 10
Nntp-Posting-Host: table.nsd.3com.com
Moving Sale: Must sell before May 5:
Futon:  high-end, oak, queen, like new -- $250
Computer Desk:  roll-top, locks securely, like new -- $100
Color TV:  13", perfect cond., great for bedroom -- $50	( ***SOLD)
Coffee Tables/Dresser:  $40 or B.O.
Lamps:  $10
Make an offer!!
Ask for Esther: 415/571-6062 eve
408/736-0490 day
From: lorne@sun.com (Lorne R. Johnson - Sun IC Region SE)
Subject: WARRIORS TICKETS FOR SALE
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Lines: 22
Distribution: ca
Reply-To: lorne@sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: normajean.west.sun.com
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* WARRIORS TICKETS FOR SALE *
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I have 2 tickets that I can't use (Last pair this year).
Section 109, Row P, Seats 8 & 9
DAY	DATE	OPPONENT	TIME
---	----	--------	----
WED     4/21    Sacremento     7:30
Price: $45.00 = MY COST
Call or email if you are interested in these tickets.
Lorne Johnson
lorne@sun.com
(408) 562-6003
From: walshs@cs.uwp.edu (Steven Walsh)
Subject: Sony Receiver and Ten Disc changer for sale!
Keywords: receiver, compact disc, changer
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Parkside
Distribution: misc.forsale
Lines: 38
For sale
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STR-AV1070 Audio Receiver
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120 Watts per channel
Dolby Surround sound with Pro Logic
Learning Programmable remote
10 Watts per channel for surround sound
Supports Dual Room Link Control (to hear another source in a different room)
Index filing of all radio stations
7 band equilizer with real-time analyzer
I need to get $450 for this unit or best offer.
CDP-C910 Sony ten disc changer
------------------------------
Ten disc cartridge
Custom File of your favorite program or title or volume for each disc
(Up to 184 disc memory!)
Remote control
Fixed and Variable volume outputs
Optical output
8x Oversampling rate
$325 firm.
I purchased these items about 6 months ago and need to sell them now to
buy a house.  Both units are in immaculate shape and are priced to move.
Steven Walsh
walshs@cs.uwp.edu
(414) 654-4473
From: cf059@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Orion Bernard Yurgionas)
Subject: INDIANA JONES HINT BOOK WANTED
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
Lines: 11
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu
Looking for hint book for indiana jones and the last crusade
the game is for the ibm.e-mail me or call 481 3740 and ask for orion.
if you don't have the hint book but know how to answer these questions plao.
1.how do you beat biff.
2.how do you open the valt door.
3.how do you knock out the security system.
From: xray@is.rice.edu (Kenneth Dwayne Ray)
Subject: Re: Car Stereo Stolen?
Organization: Rice University
Lines: 31
> I had the front panel of my car stereo stolen this weekend.
> I need to buy the front panel of a Sony XR-U770 car stereo.
> If by any chance anyone has had the body of a Sony XR-U770
> stolen and has an otherwise useless front panel I would
> love to buy it from you.
> If you know anyone who had a removeable-front-panel car stereo
> stolen from them, could you please forward this message to them?
> Thanks!
> Kris
I was my understanding that the purpose of those removeable-front-panels
were to make the radio useless, and thus discourage theft (that is if the
cover were removed by the owner and taken along whenever the car was left.)
If those covers were sold for anything remarkably less than the radio
originally costs, or even sold at all,
then the above discouragement wouldn't be so great.
I personally would be unhappy, if I bought a radio like that, thinking that
removing the cover greatly depreciated the radio's value, and the covers were
sold by the company (or other legitimate source) cheaply.
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Subject: Looking for a person [VHS for sale]
From: koutd@hiramb.hiram.edu (DOUGLAS KOU)
Organization: Hiram College
Nntp-Posting-Host: hiramb.hiram.edu
Lines: 15
I am looking for a person who made an offer of $50 for five
of my VHS movies. I was not able to save the e-mail address
of this person. It has been a week since we made the deal,
please reply.
The five movies are
Basic Instinct
Born on the Forth of July
Backdraft
The Prince of Tides
Presumed Innocent
Douglas Kou
Hiram College
From: jingyao@rainier.eng.ohio-state.edu (Jinyao Liu)
Subject: Home base and Car CB units, Motorola Beeper for sale
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering
Distribution: na
Lines: 31
(1)           Uniden 40 Channel CB Transceiver,  Model Pro 710e.
This is a home base unit, with connectors for external speaker and
PA speaker. 3.5"x3" internal speaker, chanel 9/10 button, NB/ANL/PA
selector buttons, Volume, Squelch, RF Gain, Tone and Mic Gain controls,
Comes with Mic.  Side mount for mic.  measures 14"x8"x3". Plugs into
110v.  Black
Like new. (actually brand new)      Asking $105, shipping included
(2)         Midland International Model 77-101C, 40 chanel, car unit
This one is well used. black w/silver front. comes with mic, power
cord for 12v cigarette lighter socket,  gutter mount antena is also
included (easy to install and remove).
Asking $45, shipping included
Or both for $130, including shipping.  The Uniden alone is about
$150 in Kmart.  These two will work nicely together, have one in
the garage and one in your truck.
(3)  Motorola Beeper.  I can't quite figure out what is the model number
Cost is $133 to buy from USAMobile.  Don't use this no more, $65
From: ray@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Ray Lauff)
Subject: The Abyss on LaserDisc
Organization: Temple University
Lines: 21
Nntp-Posting-Host: astro.ocis.temple.edu
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
[ Article crossposted from temple.forsale ]
[ Author was Ray Lauff (ray@astro.ocis.temple.edu) ]
[ Posted on Wed, 21 Apr 1993 01:04:27 GMT ]
Regular CBS/FOX release of the wide screen edition of the movie
The Abyss for sale, asking $30, including postage.  I want to
purchase the new director's cut and would like to unload this
LaserDisc if possible.
Two discs, unopened, 132 minutes, letterbox.
Email me if interested.
ray@astro.ocis.temple.edu
Ray
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From: al@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Alan Peterman)
Subject: Photo "Stuff" Forsale
Article-I.D.: qiclab.1993Apr21.023937.8223
Distribution: usa
Organization: SCN Research/Qic Laboratories of Tigard, Oregon.
Lines: 62
Time to clear out some miscellaneous lenses, cameras and photo stuff
that's not being used.  Some are gems, some are mundane.
Minolta AF 50/1.7 lens for Maxxum cameras.  New lens, but I guess it'd
be best to call it a "demo" since I did not get the literature, box or
warranty cards.  $30.
Vivitar 2X converter for Nikon F or AI lenses.  Pretty cute "flip back"
tang so it will work with all manual focus Nikon lenses - and bodies.
It will even couple (and double) a non-AI lens to an AI body.  $15.
Pentax 50/1.4 screwmount lens.  Well actually it's a Super-Takumar which
is what they all were back then.  Very mint condition.  $25. Nice hard
case for this lens $5 more..
Alpex 135/2.8 lens.  Beautifully made, all metal construction with fine
optics.  Minolta mount.  $25.  Another hard case that fits this with
strap can be added..call it $7 more.
Vivitar 283 flash.  The one that made Vivitar famous (until the 285
eclipsed it).  Tilt head, removable sensor, variable auto exposure.
$30.
Universal "Roamer 63" folding old "bellows" camera with leather case.
Uses 120 or 620 film, 100mm F6.3 lens.  Kinda cool articulated shutter
release.  Decent shape.  $20.
Weston 540 lightmeter.  Nothin super fancy, but it works well, and is a
good cross check to built in meters.  $7 with case and strap.
And finally..the "gems"
Pentax Auto 110 camera with 24mm F2.8 lens.  This is the little
(and I do mean TINY) SLR that Pentax made.  Has interchangeable lenses,
but try and find the 20-40 zoom, true through the lens viewing with
split image focus, and completely auto exposure.  $70.
Olympus 35RC rangefinder camera.  A really cute little camera with 42mm
lens (F2.8) with built in manual or auto exposure, self timer etc.  I
think this was the predecessor to the XA - and it's nearly all metal.
I won't mind holding onto this one if it doesn't sell.  $60.
Olympus OM-1 with flash shoe, leatherette case, 50/1.4 Zuiko lens, and
Tokina SD (Super Dispersion) 70-210 lens.  These are all in very nice to
mint condition, except for one little ding on the OM body near the film
advance lever.  Lenses are perfect, and the Tokina is a very compact,
and sharp lens.  $225 for the set.
That'll do to clean out some of the stuff.  Feel free to offer on this
stuff, although the cheaper stuff is priced to cover my hassle in
shipping it..
For more details call or email.
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It's odd how as I get older, the days are longer, but the years are shorter!
From: tchen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Tsung-Kun Chen)
Subject: ** Software forsale (lots) **
Nntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University
****   This is a post for my friend,  You can either call    ****
****    him  J.K Lee  (614)791-0748    or Drop me a mail     ****
Distribution: usa
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1.  Software publishing SuperBase 4 windows v.1.3           --->$80
2.  OCR System ReadRight v.3.1 for Windows                  --->$65
3.  OCR System ReadRight  v.2.01 for DOS                    --->$65
4.  Unregistered Zortech 32 bit C++ Compiler v.3.1          --->$ 250
with Multiscope windows Debugger,
WhiteWater Resource Toolkit, Library Source Code
5.  Glockenspiel/ImageSoft Commonview 2 Windows
Applications Framework for Borland C++                 --->$70
6.  Spontaneous Assembly Library With Source Code           --->$50
7.  Microsoft Macro Assembly 6.0                            --->$50
8.  Microsoft Windows v.3.1 SDK Documentation               --->$125
9.  Microsoft FoxPro V.2.0                                  --->$75
10.  WordPerfect 5.0 Developer's Toolkit                    --->$20
11.  Kedwell Software DataBoss v.3.5 C Code Generator       --->$100
12.  Kedwell InstallBoss v.2.0 Installation Generator       --->$35
13.  Liant Software C++/Views v.2.1
Windows Application Framework with Source Code       --->$195
14.  IBM OS/2 2.0 & Developer's Toolkit                     --->$95
15.  CBTree DOS/Windows Library with Source Code            --->$120
16.  Symantec TimeLine for Windows                          --->$90
17.  TimeSlip TimeSheet Professional for Windows            --->$30
Many More Software/Books Available,Price Negotiable
From: harter5255@iscsvax.uni.edu
Subject: Okidata printer for sale
Organization: University of Northern Iowa
Lines: 20
Fellow netters,
I have an Okidata printer I would like to sell.  A description follows:
Okidata 180 printer including cables for both IBM compatibles (Centronics
parallel) and Commodore (RS-232 - round).  Also includes power cable, manual,
and a handful of computer paper to get you started.  This is a 9-pin printer.
I recently cleaned the printhead and installed a new ribbon.  A print sample
can be provided upon request.  This is a very dependable printer - it never
jams or does "weird" things.  I have used it with a Commodore for about 3 years
and am now using it with my 486sx.  I use mainly WordPerfect 5.1 (see next
post) for which I got a driver (at no charge) that directly supports the
Okidata 180 in Epson FX mode.
When I got the printer, it was selling for around $200-220 new (I got mine
from Tenex brand new - for a Christmas present).  I would like to get about
$100 or so for it.  If you are interested at all in it, please give me a ring
(E-Mail) and make an offer.
- Kevin Harter
From: jrm@elm.circa.ufl.edu (Jeff Mason)
Subject: AUCTION: Marvel, DC, Valiant, Image, Dark Horse, etc...
Organization: Univ. of Florida Psychology Dept.
Lines: 63
NNTP-Posting-Host: elm.circa.ufl.edu
Summary: Tuesday April 20, 1993 Update
I am auctioning off the following comics.  These minimum bids are set
below what I would normally sell them for.  Make an offer, and I will
accept the highest bid after the auction has been completed.
TITLE                                                   Minimum/Current
--------------------------------------------------------------
Alpha Flight 51 (Jim Lee's first work at Marvel)	$ 5.00
Aliens 1 (1st app Aliens in comics, 1st prnt, May 1988)	$20.00/KrisM./TWICE
Amazing Spider-Man 136 (Intro new Green Goblin)         $20.00
Amazing Spider-Man 238 (1st appearance Hobgoblin)	$50.00
Archer and Armstrong 1 (Frank Miller/Smith/Layton)	$ 7.50
Avengers 263 (1st appearance X-factor)                  $ 3.50
Bloodshot 1 (Chromium cover, BWSmith Cover/Poster)	$ 5.00
Daredevil 158 (Frank Miller art begins)                 $35.00
Dark Horse Presents 1 (1st app Concrete, 1st printing)	$ 7.50
Detective 657 (Azrael appears, Intro Cypher)		$ 5.00
Harbinger 10 (1st appearance H.A.R.D. Corps)		$ 7.00/B.Matthey/SOLD
H.A.R.D. Corps 1 					$ 5.00
Incredible Hulk 324 (1st app Grey Hulk since #1, 1962)	$ 7.50
Incredible Hulk 330 (1st McFarlane issue)		$15.00
Incredible Hulk 331 (Grey Hulk series begins)		$11.20
Incredible Hulk 367 (1st Dale Keown art in Hulk)        $15.00
Incredible Hulk 377 (1st all new hulk, 1st prnt, Keown) $15.00
Marvel Comics Presents 1 (Wolverine, Silver Surfer)     $ 7.50
Maxx Limited Ashcan (4000 copies exist, blue cover)	$33.50/BrentB/TWICE
Mr T. #1 (Signed Advance copy, 10,000 exist)		$10.00
New Mutants 86 (McFarlane cover, 1st app Cable - cameo)	$10.00
New Mutants 100 (1st app X-Force)                       $ 5.00
New Mutants Annual 5 (1st Liefeld art on New Mutants)	$10.00
Omega Men 3 (1st appearance Lobo)                       $ 7.50
Omega Men 10 (1st full Lobo story)                      $ 7.50
Power Man & Iron Fist 78 (3rd appearance Sabretooth)    $25.00
84 (4th appearance Sabretooth)    $20.00
Simpsons Comics and Stories 1 (Polybagged special ed.)	$ 7.50
Spectacular Spider-Man 147 (1st app New Hobgoblin)      $12.50
Star Trek the Next Generation 1 (Feb 1988, DC mini)     $ 7.50
Star Trek the Next Generation 1 (Oct 1989, DC comics)   $ 7.50
Trianglehead #1 (Special limited edition, autogrphed)	$ 5.00
Web of Spider-Man 29 (Hobgoblin, Wolverine appear)      $10.00
Web of Spider-Man 30 (Origin Rose, Hobgoblin appears)   $ 7.50
Wolverine 10 (Before claws, 1st battle with Sabretooth)	$15.00
Wolverine 41 (Sabretooth claims to be Wolverine's dad)	$ 5.00
Wolverine 42 (Sabretooth proven not to be his dad)	$ 3.50
Wolverine 43 (Sabretooth/Wolverine saga concludes)	$ 3.00
Wolverine 1 (1982 mini-series, Miller art)		$20.00
Wonder Woman 267 (Return of Animal Man)                 $12.50
X-Force 1 (Signed by Liefeld, Bagged, X-Force card)     $20.00
X-Force 1 (Signed by Liefeld, Bagged, Shatterstar card) $10.00
X-Force 1 (Signed by Liefeld, Bagged, Deadpool card)    $10.00
X-Force 1 (Signed by Liefeld, Bagged, Sunspot/Gideon)   $10.00
All comics are in near mint to mint condition, are bagged in shiny
polypropylene bags, and backed with white acid free boards.  Shipping is
$1.50 for one book, $3.00 for more than one book, or free if you order
a large enough amount of stuff.  I am willing to haggle.
I have thousands and thousands of other comics, so please let me know what
you've been looking for, and maybe I can help.  Some titles I have posted
here don't list every issue I have of that title, I tried to save space.
--
Geoffrey R. Mason		|	jrm@elm.circa.ufl.edu
Department of Psychology	|	mason@webb.psych.ufl.edu
University of Florida		|	prothan@maple.circa.ufl.edu
From: jingyao@rainier.eng.ohio-state.edu (Jinyao Liu)
Subject: a few CDs for sale  (brand new)
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering
Distribution: usa
Lines: 10
$6.95 each. add $1.05 for postage (4th class), that makes it $8.
All these 5 discs are still shrink wrapped
(1) Kathleen Battle,Wynton Marsalis   Baroque Duet      Sony Classical
(2) David Sanborn, Upfront                              Elektra
(2) Kenny G Live                                        Arista
(3) Jimmy Buffett,Songs You know by heart/greatest hits MCA Records
(4) Billy Ray Cyrus, Some Gave All                      Mercury
(5) En Vogue,  Funky Divas                              Eastwest Records
From: harter5255@iscsvax.uni.edu
Subject: Not all deals are bad...
Organization: University of Northern Iowa
Lines: 30
Fellow netters,
I just wanted to let you know that there are a few honest and good people out
there (even outside of Iowa).  I'm sorry if anyone thinks that I am wasting
space, but I thought you might want some relief from the "So-and-so is a thief"
posts.  Not that I think we shouldn't hear about the bad deals, but it would be
nice to hear some good news once in a while.
After seeing his post on one of the for sale groups, I mailed Mr. Mark Miller a
request for his copy of WordPerfect 5.1 for DOS.  He suggested a price of $50
in his ad, but when I phoned him, he quoted $40 plus shipping.  That sounded
more than fair to me, so I told him that I would send him a check the next day.
Imagine my surprise when I logged into my account the following day and found a
message from him saying that it had already been sold (after I had just mailed
the money order).  After another E-Mail message to him, he apologized and
assured me that it was a mistake - I was the one who he was holding it for.  He
sent the package as soon as he got the money, along with a letter stating a
transfer of license.  This wasn't good enough for WordPerfect, so I asked him
to fill out one of their forms.  No problem - we thought.  It took three times
to get it to the right address (my fault).  Anyway, he mailed me the form for
my signature and included a Workbook that I had no idea was included in the
deal.  Again, he apologized for not sending it before.  I now have the world's
best word processor and a renewed hope in the world that there are a few good
ones left.  I recoend that if you ever see that Mark is selling anything thatat
you may want, give him a call.  If I had the choice, I would purchase all of my
software from him.
Bravo, Mr. Miller!
- Kevin Harter
From: mrh@iastate.edu (Michael R Hartman)
Subject: Re: Car Stereo Stolen?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Lines: 36
In article <C5t7qG.9IJ@rice.edu> xray@is.rice.edu (Kenneth Dwayne Ray) writes:
>> I had the front panel of my car stereo stolen this weekend.
>
>> I need to buy the front panel of a Sony XR-U770 car stereo.
>>
>I was my understanding that the purpose of those removeable-front-panels
>were to make the radio useless, and thus discourage theft (that is if the
>cover were removed by the owner and taken along whenever the car was left.)
>
>If those covers were sold for anything remarkably less than the radio
>originally costs, or even sold at all,
>then the above discouragement wouldn't be so great.
>
>I personally would be unhappy, if I bought a radio like that, thinking that
>removing the cover greatly depreciated the radio's value, and the covers were
>sold by the company (or other legitimate source) cheaply.
>--
The front covers should be available from Sony.  Check with a local car
stereo shop.  You will probably (definitely) have to provide the units
serial number and hopefully you had registered the warranty card.  I
don't know the cost, but replacements have to be available to people
who damage the face cover, so it stands to reason that it can be replaced.
As to deterring theft:
When I worked for a stereo shop, we referred the customer to a Sony 800
number.  We would not sell the face, nor did we have them available.  Most
people who came in asking for the face cover (or a pullout sleave for that
matter) would look very disheartened to find that they acquired a deck
they couldn't use.  If theft occurs with these decks, notify Sony.  Serial
numbers do catch theives.
Just a thought,
Michael
From: leopold@jekyll.ucsf.edu (John Olson)
Subject: Re: Is itproper net etiquette to advertise a company's junk mail list?
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of California, San Francisco, Dept of Lab Med
Lines: 6
not only is it improper etiquette AND illegal but the people who
are responsible for junk mailings are *EVIL*!!!!
ahhh...ive always wanted to get that off my chest.
From: afhetzel@netcom.com (A.F. Hetzel)
Subject: Aviation Headset D.C. H10-40 For Sale
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Lines: 25
For Sale:
David Clark H10-40 Aviation Headset
Excellent Condition (not even a scratch) -- original packaging.
Discover for yourself why the H10-40 continues to be the favorite headset
of thousands of pilots.  It was the first headset to have the advanced M-4
amplified electret microphone - with a frequency response specifically
designed to match the human voice.  Also includes durable universal boom
assembly and a noise reduction rating (NRR) of 24dB.  Weighs 19 oz.
** Includes Telex "push to talk switch"
Asking $220.00 U.S.
Shipping negotiable.
For more information respond to: afhetzel@netcom.com (Andrew)
--
Andrew F. Hetzel            "I complete less work before 9:00am than
afhetzel@netcom.com          most people do all day."
Ann Arbor, MI USA
From: tim.marshall%goucher@wb3ffv.ampr.org (Tim Marshall)
Subject: VAX PRICING
Distribution: world
Organization: Goucher College, Towson, MD
Reply-To: tim.marshall%goucher@wb3ffv.ampr.org (Tim Marshall)
Lines: 25
Hello All,
Goucher College will soon be retiring a MicroVax II, world case,
2 70MB Hard Drives, 16 port I/O, 2 MB (maybe 4MB) system memory.
Any idea as to how much we can expect to get for this machine on
the open market??
Please reply privately to:
tim.marshall%goucher@wb3ffv.ampr.org
Thanks in advance.....
*//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////*
*                                                                  *
*      Tim Marshall - Associate Director, Academic Computing       *
*   Goucher College, Baltimore, MD.  All opinions are mine alone.  *
* Documentation - A manual which tells you how to use a program,   *
* system, or utility one version ago, and which is now unsupported.*
*                                                                  *
*//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////*
From: frosty@world.std.com (Robert J Nunez)
Subject: !!! IBM Games For Sale !!!
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Lines: 62
I would like to sell some software. Shipping is $3 per order - 1 or more
games in the continental U.S.  $6 to Canada.  Contact me for shipping
to other locations.
Contraption Zack                                $20
Perfect condition. Unregistered & all docs/disks/packaging
A 3-D puzzle game with great animated graphics.  Your tools for
fixing up a manufacturing plant are hidden throughout the levels
and you must solve puzzles to get the tools and then use the tools
to fix the machines.  The levels are HUGE and span many screens.
The graphics are cartoony and humorous.  (256 color VGA,MCGA,
AdLib,Soundblaster,Roland,3.5")
Legend of Kyrandia                              $30
Perfect condition. Unregistered & all docs/disks/packaging
An adventure where you are the unknowing heir to the throne of
the kingdom of Kyrandia.  An evil jester has murdered your parents,
the king and queen, and attempted to take control of the kingdom,
only to be thwarted by a spell cast upon him by your grandfather
and three other magic users.  You must travel to find each of the
magic users to gain use of an amulet that will help you to defeat
the jester.  Beautiful graphics and a great soundtrack. (VGA,MCGA,
Adlib,Sound Blaster,SoundBlaster Pro,MT-32/LAPC-1,3.5")
Spirit of Excalibur by Virgin Mastertronic      $15
Good condition. All docs/disks/packaging.
A fantasy game combining Role-Playing, adventure, and combat
simulation.  You are the Heir to the throne of Britain after Arthur
has died.  You must re-unite the land under your rule and then
defend it against an invading army from the north. (EGA, Tandy, MCGA,
VGA, Sound cards, 5.25")
Loom                                            $15
Perfect condition.  Unregistered & all docs/disks/packaging.
Received a Computer Gaming World Award for Artistic achievement.
An adventure game where you play the role of a young weaver of
musical spells.  You must save your fellow weavers from oblivion
by traveling through the land, casting spells, learning new spells
befriending people you meet, and foiling an evil plot.  All
point and click -- no typing.  Every action in the game involves
casting your musical spells. (VGA,EGA,CGA,MCGA,TANDY,AdLib,CMS sound,
5.25")
Dark Seed					$35
Perfect condition, used very little. Unregistered & all docs/disks/
packaging.  An adventure based on the surrealistic and macabre
artwork of H.R. Giger -- the inspiration for Alien, Alien III, and
Poltergeist II.  You have just bought an old victorian house
at a bargain in a secluded town.  You find that there is a portal
to a dark, sinister world in your house and a plot against the
world as you know it.  You must save yourself and your world from
a horrible fate.  Gorgeous and Gory high resolution graphics.
(VGA,Adlib,SoundBlaster,3.5")
Conquest of Japan by Impressions		$30
Brand new, used only once. Unregistered & all docs/disks/packaging.
Simulation of Samurai conquest. You play the role of a Japanese
Daimyo - a Lord.  You control five cities on Japan's main island,
Honshu.  Each provides money for you to buy armies, with which
you must conquer your enemy.  Battles are fought with Impressions'
Miniature System.  You watch the individual Samurai, Mounted Samurai,
Spearmen, Archers, and Arquebusiers. (VGA, Adlib, 3.5" & 5.25")
From: europa@eng.umd.edu (Tae Hun Kim)
Subject: NEW Hard Drive SALE!!!
Organization: University of Maryland
Lines: 7
NNTP-Posting-Host: coke.eng.umd.edu
Seagate 1.2GB SCSI hard Drive
Brand NEW with full factory warranty.
5-1/4" FH, 15ms access time, 150,000 MTBF
Only $1100+s/h.
Leave E-mail if interested.
From: ssa@unity.ncsu.edu (S. Alavi)
Subject: >>> Technical Books for sale (X/UNIX/C/C++/OS/DB/Netwk...) REPOST <<<
Organization: NCSU Computing Center
Distribution: usa
Lines: 29
My friends and I have a buch of books for sale. They are not
being used due to change of job, loss of interest etc.
Rather than letting them gather dust, we would like to pass them
on to others who may use them (of course at a price :-)
Topics Include:
- C/C++/Other Programming Languages
- UNIX/DOS/OS2/Windows/Other Operating System topics (General)
- X/Motif/OLIT/Xwin
- Networking and Digital Signal Processing
- Computer Graphics
- Microprocessors and Computer Architecture
- Math
- Software Engineering/Algorithms/Software Testing
- Databases
- Expert Systems
The list is long and rather than posting it here I will email
it by request.  I am going to keep the list updated and so will
respond to all requests (lucky me :-)
If you are interested drop me a line
======  S. Alavi    [ssa@unity.ncsu.edu]  (919)467-7909 (H)  ========
From: Rupin.Dang@dartmouth.edu (Rupin Dang)
Subject: Nikon FM2 and lens forsale
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
Lines: 5
Nikon FM-2n with 50 mm Nikkor and accessories for sale.I bought this camera in
Hong Kong two years ago and everything has been looked after very well. I'm now
selling some more gear to finance my next big film project.
Asking $350 for package. NO BARGAINS.
From: walter@psg.com (Walter Morales)
Subject: Nitendo game wanted
Organization: Pacific Systems Group, Portland Oregon US
Lines: 24
Hi,
I am one those uncles that try to please my nephews whenever possible,
so.. they have asked me to find them some Nitendo games, no, it is
not for the super nitendo.. it is for whatever model came prior to
that.
Since they are overseas, I will first ask them if they already have the
games you would have to offer me. Please send me a list, or whatever and
the price you are asking so I can send to my nephews and find out what
they have and what they want.. so bare with me, I will respond, but it
will take me a while.
Thanks,
Walter
walter@psg.com
Please respond directly.
--
______________________________________________________________________
/                                            Portland, Oregon USA      \
|  WALTER T. MORALES                         45 31 25 N 122 40 30 W    |
|  internet: walter@rain.com                 Pop. 366383               |
From: warsaw@athena.mit.edu (Daniel Maung)
Subject: CDs for $6
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Lines: 29
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: alfredo.mit.edu
I have the following CDs for sale for $6 each plus postage.
All CDs are in perfect condition.
Michael Bolton        Time, Love & Tenderness
Paula Abdul          Forever Your Girl
Taylor Dayne            Tell it to My Heart
Lionel Richie       The Composer
Elvis Presley      18 Number One Hits
Bobby Vinton       Greatest Hits
Super Hits of the 70's
(includes  Yellow River, Rose Garden, For the Good Times,
Help Me Make it through the Night, Mr. Bojangles, Sweet Mary,
One Toke Over the Line, Put Your Hand in Hand, Stay Awhile,
Woodstock, Silver Bird, I Ain't got time Anymore)
New Fashioned Love Songs  (import)
(includes extended remixes and dance mixes for the following:
I Know You Were Waiting - Aretha Franklin & George Michael,
Walk Like an Egyptian, Live It Up - Mental As Anything
Is this Love - Alison Moyet
I'll be Alright Without You - Journey
The Rain - Oran Jones
In My Dreams - Reo Speedwagon
Shake You Down - Gregory Abbott
Fight For Ourselves - Spandau Ballet
Between Two Fires - Paul Young
Falling in Love - Miami sound machine
Heartache Away - Don Johnson  )
From: zborowsk@spot.Colorado.EDU (ZBOROWSKI  BRANDON WALTER)
Subject: PaintBall Gun ForSale!!
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Lines: 22
Nntp-Posting-Host: spot.colorado.edu
Paintball Gun for Sale
TIPPMAN SL-68II (In Great Condition)
11" Micro-honed Barrel
Barrel Squeegie
16" Barrel
140 Round Sight Feeder with Elbow
7 oz. Constant Air Tank with Valve Protector and Buttplate
Shoulder Strap
3-7X Bushnell Sportview Scope
40 Round Ammo Box with Flip Top Lid
Barrel Plug
Instruction Manual
Allen Wrenches
Contact me at:
zborowsk@spot.colorado.edu
and make me an offer.
From: rbacalzo@quasar.sierra.com (Roger Bacalzo)
Subject: Victoria, B.C. Hotel Room $40/2 nights
Article-I.D.: sierra.1993Apr20.162758.11363
Organization: Sierra Geophysics, Inc.  Kirkland, WA
Lines: 27
Victoria Hotel Reserv. 2 nights $40
MID-WEEK (Sun - Thurs) Hotel reservation available for Victoria, Canada.
2 nights/3 days for $40.  Expires June 1, 1993.
This is a LETTER OF CREDIT (fully transferrable) issued by HOTELCO for
a hotel room in any of a number of available hotels in Victoria, Canada.
HOTELCO is a reputable hotel booking company that provides hotel stays at
low prices.  This LETTER OF CREDIT normally works for weekends, too, but
all weekends are booked solid for the summer.
So, check with HOTELCO directly for available dates at one of its member
hotels to use this LETTER OF CREDIT before June 1.  HOTELCO can be reached
at (206)485-5200 in Bothell or 1-800-645-8885 during regular business hours.
Then, if you find an acceptable reservation date, contact me for this
LETTER OF CREDIT.
Roger Bacalzo
rbacalzo@sierra.com
(206)828-9094 (home)
(206)822-5200 x360 (work)
--
Roger Bacalzo
Sierra Geophysics
11255 Kirkland Way      	(206) 822-5200 ext. 360
Kirkland, WA  98033		rbacalzo@sibu.sierra.com
From: mb4008@cehp11 (Morgan J Bullard)
Subject: Re: Ami Pro v3.0 for sale!
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Lines: 18
goyal@utdallas.edu (MOHIT K GOYAL) writes:
>Lotus Ami Pro v3.0 - $150
>Please reply if interested.
>Thank you.
Or you could get it new for $39.95.
the phone is 800-732-3396  or  800-358-club  or  800-753-7877 the address is
PC Buyer's Club
62-H Montvale Ave.
Stoneham, MA 02180
I don't work for them, just thought it was too good a deal to pass up.
BTW, I recived mine 3 days before they said it would arrive. :)
Morgan Bullard  mb4008@coewl.cen.uiuc.edu
or      mjbb@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
From: rwrona@cbnewse.cb.att.com (robert.wrona)
Subject: 	TOWNHOME for sale in WHEATON
Organization: AT&T
Keywords: townhome, wheaton, sale...
Lines: 47
TOWNHOME FOR SALE IN WHEATON
Briarcliffe Lakes of Wheaton
Just North Of Butterfield Road
Call (708) 682-8222 and ask for Harriet Bode (Prudential Realty)
Description:    A very neat, well cared for, low maintenance
starter coach home in very fine condition located on a
cul-de-sac . Just move in.
Rooms:(5+1)	- Eat in kitchen (10.3 X 9.2)
- Large master bedroom (12.6 X 12.6)
- Spare Bedroom (12.6 X 10)
- Dining Room (10.9 X 9)
- Living Room (21 X 11.10)
- Utility Room (10 X 5.5)
- 1.25 Baths
Appliances:     - Stove(gas), refrigerator and dish washer
- Garage opener
- Washer and Dryer
- Garbage Disposal
- Gas water heater (3 Years Old)
- Central A/C with DIGITAL Thermostat.
Highlights:	- Electric Fire Place in living room.
- Sliding glass doors which open up to a patio with a
secluded back yard area.
- Plenty of storage space with patio storage closet and
storage closet in garage.
- New ceiling fan in Dining Room,
- Completely remodeled bathroom (new wallpaper, shower
door, shower tile, etc...)
- Mini blinds for all windows
- Newer carpets (beige) (About 3 Years old)
- One car garage and plenty of guest parking
Association Fees: $105.90 which includes the following:
- Lawn Maintenance
- Snow Removal
- All Exterior building maintenance
Taxes 1992:     $1,700
ASKING PRICE OF HOME: $91,900
From: egret@wet.UUCP (thomas helke)
Subject: Re: Kiev 88 Medium format camera, !!! Cheaper Prices !!!
Distribution: usa
Organization: Wetware Diversions, San Francisco
Lines: 8
I agree. I own one. Aside from the shutter, it is built like
a little tank. A very good camera. Your price sounds reasonable,
too. New, I paid $565 for my KIEV 88 Camera Kit. Good luck.
Thomas Helke
egret@wet.UUCP
From: aduh@carson.u.washington.edu (Richard Susanto)
Subject: Labtec speaker for SALE
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Lines: 22
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu
Hi, Anybody interested in buying my Labtec speaker?
Labtec SS-200
Amplified Stereo Speaker System
- Built in amplifier
- 6 volt input
- works with/without batteries
- individual volume controls
- treble boost switch
Great for medium quality PC's sound(adlib,soundblaster..)
walkman
for: $15 (included shipping...)
E-mail me...
--
Richard Susanto
aduh@carson.u.washington.edu
From: Doug_Akerman@abcd.houghton.mi.us (Doug Akerman)
Subject: commodoree
Distribution: world
Organization: Amiga BitSwap Central Dispatch
Lines: 15
I have a wonderful Commodore 128 for sale!!!!
Also included:
1571 disk drive
color moniter
power supply (great shape)
software
joysticks
2 300 baud modems (old, but useable)
contact doug  (906) 487-0369 or (815) 623-6447
-- Via DLG Pro v0.995
From: shapiro@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Brian Shapiro)
Subject: For Sale: Zenith 386-25 Motherboard
Distribution: usa
Organization: Ohio University C.S. Dept, Athens
Lines: 30
The following is posted for a friend. Send replies to the address at
the end of the post please.
Attention Zenith Z-248 owners!!!  upgrade your 8 MHz AT-class machine to '386
performance with a genuine Zenith motherboard for a clone price!  Motherboard
and I/O card pop right in to your Z-248 case while keeping your existing
video and disk controllers.
Zenith Z-386/25 motherboard featuring 16kb of 16-layer, posted-write cache
using 15 ns SRAM; 8 Mb of 70 ns DRAM included, accepts 20 Mb on motherboard
(further RAM upgrades available via SuperSlots running at memory bus speeds;
7 Expansion slots feature 4 Zenith 32-bit SuperSlots: autodetects 8/16/32-bit
adapters; latest rev. of Z-300 setup/monitor ROMs, two serial ports, one
parallel port, secondary fan for improved system cooling, Z-386 User's Guide,
Z-386 Maintenance Guide and diagnostics disk included. $575 (includes
S/H/insurance).
Replies to: stann@aol.com
Replies to me will be forwarded.
Thanks.....
brian
--
Brian Shapiro, Systems Support Specialist
Ohio University, Athens, Ohio 45701
(614) 593-1608
shapiro@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu or SHAPIROB@OUACCVMA.BITNET
Subject: STAR TREK ORNAMENT
From: danguye@eis.calstate.edu (Dang V Nguyen)
Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services
Lines: 10
Hey,
I have some Star Trek Christmas Ornaments for sale.  They are the the
Hallmark Shuttle Craft Galileo.  They went for $24.00 during christmas.  I
am willing to sell it for that price + shipping.  If you are interested
and have some questions, please reply...
give me a call at 714-539-4251.. DANG
From: mellis@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael E Ellis)
Subject: **Nash Metropolitan Forsale!**
Nntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Lines: 34
My little Nash has sat for about a year (had been running), but now I must move
a long distance and there are too many things to carry with me.  Here are the
details of the car:
1958 Hardtop--Exterior condition:
Rocker panels rusted out at weld points, no rust at typical spots like
door hinge mounting points, back battery box, etc.  Missing front bumper,
front pan dented up, one weld popped in front.  This is for the most part
a solid, restorable automobile.
Interior Condition:
Missing original steering wheel, has one of the smaller aftermarket
wheels, seats need reupholstered, general fair condition.
Mechanical Condition:
Had been running, but now does not want to start...needs new rings (which
I have) also have extra parts such as complete long block, extra steering
shaft, etc.
For a car that has not been touched since 1958, it is in solid shape.  It will
obviously need some work, but will make a good project.
PRICE:  Well, this is a tough one, I would like to get around 800.00, but will
consider any serious offers by individuals willing to come and get it. If you
have things to trade such as tools, toys, cameras, comics, cards, etc.,
anything easily movable to Florida, I may consider that as well.
Hit <r>, or my e-mail address is Ellis.15@osu.edu
(614) 777-0791 home (leave message)
Thanks
Mike
From: munroe@dmc.com (Dick Munroe)
Subject: REPOST: Tape Drives (4mm, 8mm) for sale.
Organization: Doyle, Munroe Consultants, Inc., Hudson, MA
Lines: 18
Acorn Software, Inc. has 3 tape drives (currently used on a VMS
system) for sale.  These are all SCSI tape drives and are in
working condition.
WangDat 1300 4mm                $500.00
WangDat 2600 4mm (compression)  $650.00
Exabyte 8200 8mm                $650.00
Plus shipping and COD.  Certified checks only, please.  These
units are sold as is and without warrantee.  Contact me if you're
interested.
--
Dick Munroe				Internet: munroe@dmc.com
Doyle Munroe Consultants, Inc.		UUCP: ...uunet!thehulk!munroe
267 Cox St.				Office: (508) 568-1618
Hudson, Ma.				FAX: (508) 562-1133
GET CONNECTED!!! Send mail to info@dmc.com to find out about DMConnection.
From: smh2@crux3.cit.cornell.edu (Seenu M Hariprasad)
Subject: SONY MHC-3600 BOOKSHELF STEREO SYSTEM
Nntp-Posting-Host: crux3.cit.cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell University
Lines: 25
Forsale:
SONY MHC-3600 HI-FI Bookshelf stereo system
-9 months old
-CD player
-2 tape decks
-Digital graphic equilizer
-Tuner
-4 speakers 60watts/channel
-TOP OF THE LINE SONY BOOKSHELF SYSTEM
Includes amazing remote that actually splits into two! Everything
can be done from the remote (remote has digital display!).
Has the highest quality sound-amazing bass!
Not one scratch on system. VERY WELL TAKEN CARE OF.
Originally purchased for $1299 + tax.
I need cash, and I am looking to get around $750 for it.
Since I really need the money, I will sell it to the person who gives me
the highest offer, and I WILL ACCEPT THE BEST OFFER if not $750.
Buyer pays insured shipping.
Reply soon if intereseted.
Thanks.
From: jb@access.digex.com (jb)
Subject: Re: >>> Bally's/Holiday Health Club \\\ LIFETIME  MEMERSHIP ///
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Lines: 10
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net
In article <C5J5K1.w0@visgraph.uucp> forrie@visgraph.uucp (Forrest Aldrich) writes:
>
>For sale:  Life Time membership to the Ballys'/Holiday Fitness club.  The
>original fee paid for this was over 1,000, and I'll sell it for 600.  The
>membership is fully transferrable via proper paperwork.
>
Does is include raquetball?  Is it good at Espree?  What is the annual fee?
Thanks,
John
From: jbr1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Jarryl B. Ritchie)
Subject: For Sale:  Cannondale 3.0 Road Bike w/Dura Ace 56 cm
Nntp-Posting-Host: ra.msstate.edu
Organization: Mississippi State University
Lines: 12
Cannondale 3.0 Road Bike  56 cm
Bright Blue Color
Dura Ace 8 speed not STI, could be easily converted though.
32 spoke wheelset, clinchers.
Complete Bike $700 or best offer.  All offers will be considered
this bike has to go.  Desperate times call for desperate measures.
Will consider parting out, write for details.
jay ritchie
jbr1@ra.msstate.edu
Organization: Central Michigan University
From: Matthew S. Bailey <32BDZWC@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Subject: FOR SALE: Apple IIgs
Distribution: usa
Lines: 17
Apple IIgs
Imagewriter II COLOR printer
Color RGB monitor
3.5" DRIVE
5.25" drive
keyboard
Mouse
lots of disks
some applications
most manuals
And My utmost gratification for only 650.00 or BO
From: root@zmax.com (The Big Cheese)
Subject: Laptop Cards
Organization: Z/Max Computer Solutions, Inc.
Lines: 17
Laptop Connectivity Cards
-------------------------
Part #T2RN
Desc: 3270 Remote Emulation Card for Toshiba Laptop Computer
Part #T324M
Desc: Easytalk 2400 bd dedicated internal modem with MNP level 5 for
Toshiba T1200 & T1600
Part #T2LL
Desc: Easytalk internal ethernet card for toshiba laptop expansion slot.
Part #T232
Desc: Easytalk 3270 Terminal emulation for toshiba laptop expansion slot
If interested in all or individual parts send email to rotella@zmax.com
From: 02106@ravel.udel.edu (Samuel Ross)
Subject: Sams Comics for sale (no auction!!!!)
Nntp-Posting-Host: ravel.udel.edu
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: usa
Lines: 373
OK.  Instead of holding an auction, I have decided to compute prices for each comic (after many suggestions).  These are the most reasonable prices I can give (not negotiable).  If you would like to purchase a comic (or group), simply email me with the title and issue #'s you want.  The price for each issue is shown beside each comic.  First come, first served!!!  There is no more bidding.  Meet my price and it is yours.  I can be reached at this email address:
02106@chopin.udel.edu or
02106@ravel.udel.edu or
02106@bach.udel.edu or
02106@brahms.udel.edu
NO MORE HAGGLING ABOUT THE PRICE!!!!!!!!
LOTS OF COMICS FOR $1, $2, or $3 LOOK AT LIST!!!!!
For all those who have bought comics from me, thanks!!!
All comics are near mint unless otherwise noted (my books were graded by
mile high comics and other comic professional collectors, not me!)
Here is the list:
Incredible Hulk
156 (vs another Hulk) $3
195 $2
196 $2
246 (vs Captain Marvel) $1
248 $1
249 $1
250 (Double size issue vs Silver Surfer) $5
255 (vs Thor) $1
279 $1
300 $2
312 $2
313 $1
316 (vs Bi Coastal Avengers) $1
347 $1
348 $1
350 (vs Thing) $2
354 $1
358 $1
360 $1
362 (vs Werewolf By Night) $2
364 $1
365 $1
366 $1
379 (1 copy) $5
Punisher
50 $1
57 $2
Punisher War Journal
29 (Ghost Rider) $2
30 (Ghost Rider) $2
Punisher Armory
1 $4
2 $2
Original Ghost Rider Rides Again (Reprint)
1 $1
Ghost Rider (old series)
37 $3
43 (vs Johnny Blaze) $3
77 (2 copies, origin of GR dream) $4 each
Ghost Rider (new series)
15 (1st print, Green glow in dark cover, 1 copy) $5
15 (2nd print, gold cover w/ glow cover) $3
Web of Spiderman
56 (2 copies) $2 each
60 $3
69 (vs Hulk, 1 copy left!!!)  $2
70 (SpiderHulk, 1 copy left!!!)  $2
71 $1
72 $1
78 $1
Deadly Foes of Spiderman
1 (2 copies) $2 each
2 $2
3 $2
Amazing Spiderman vs Dr. Octopus (special NACME issue) $2
Amazing Spiderman
350 (vs Dr. Doom, 1 copy LEFT!!!) $2
Spiderman (1990)
1 (silver, not bagged) $4
6 $3
7 $3
8 (2 copies) $2 each
9 (w/ Wolverine, 1 COPY LEFT!!!) $2
10 $2
11 $1
13 $5
16 $1
New Warriors
1 (gold cover) $2
8 $4
10 $2
11 $1
12 $1
13 $1
14 (w/ Darkhawk) $1
15 $1
Superman Man of Steel #1 $2
Superman (new)
53 (2 copies) $1 each
55 $1
56 $1
Adventures of Superman
479 $1
Annual #3 $1
Superman Annual #3 (Armegedon 2001 tie in) $1
Action Comics #666 $1
Avengers West Coast #69 (Hawkeye vs US Agent) $1
Batman
465 (Robin returns) $2
466 $1
467 $1
Annual #15 (Armegedon 2001 tie in) $3
Captain America
230 (vs Hulk) $2
257 (vs Hulk) $1
Armegedon 2001
1 $4
2 $2
Foolkiller #1 $2
Infinity Gauntlet
1 $6
4 $3
5 $3
Double Dragon #1 $1
Deathlok (series)
2 $1
Transformers #80 (last issue) $2
Wonder Man
1 $1
2 $1
Flaming Carrot #25 (w/ Ninja Turtles) $2
The Comet #1 $1
Legend of the Shield #1 $1
Justice Society of America
1 $1
2 $1
3 $1
4 $1
Official movie mag from Turtles II movie (sealed w/ Jelloman comic) $5
Robin
1 (1 copies w/ poster) $3
1 (3rd print) $1
5 (6 copies) $1 each
Guardians of the Galaxy
1 $6
2 $3
3 $2
4 $2
5 $2
6 $2
7 $2
8 $2
9 (2 copies) $3 each
10 $2
11 $2
12 $1
13 $3
14 $3
15 $1
16 $1
17 $1
18 (2 copies) $2 each
Superman vs Amazing Spiderman (oversized issue from 70's) $7
DarkHawk
1 (3 copies) $8 each
2 (2 copies) $6 each
3 $5
4 $4
5 $4
6 $3
7 $2
8 $2
9 $3
10 $1
Thor
246 $1
428 $1
429 (vs Juggernaut) $2
430 (w/ Ghost Rider) $1
431 $1
432 (Thor vs Loki, 2 copies) $3 each
433 (new Thor) $2
Annual #16 $1
What if....
13 $1
23 $1
25 $2
26 $1
Alpha Flight
29 $1
51 $6
53 $6
94 (vs Fant. 4) $1
New Mutants
22 $2
100 (last issue, 1st look at X-Force, 1st print, 2 copies) $5 each
100 (2nd print, gold cover) $4
Flash (new)
43 $1
48 $1
49 $1
50 $2
51 $1
Annual #4 $1
X-Men (new)
1 (all 5 covers) $1 each but $2 for magneto  foldout cover
Uncanny X-Men
191 $3
215 $2
255 (2 copies) $2 each
258 $6
268 (1 sold,1 copy left!, Lee reg artist) $10
275 (1 COPY LEFT 1st print) $6
275 (gold 2nd print) $3
276 $3
277 $3
278 $2
279 $2
280 $2
281 $3
282 $4
283 $6
Defenders
52 (Hulk vs Sub Mariner) $2
Fantastic Four
347 $4
348 $2
349 (3 copies) $2 each
Wolverine
11 $3
20 $2
41 (w/ Cable, 2 copies) $6 each
42 $4
43 $3
Silver Surfer (1987)
1 $6
2 $3
3 $3
4 $3
5 $2
6 $2
8 $2
22 $2
24 $2
32 $2
49 $2
50 (Foil cover, only 1 copy left!!) $6
51 $2
52 $2
53 $1
54 $1
55 $1
56 $1
58 $2
59 $2
Avengers
326 $3
328 (origin of Rage) $3
X-Factor
40 $6
67 $3
68 $6
71 $3
73 $1
Quasar
21 $1
22 $1
23 $1
24 $1
Green Lantern (1990)
3 $2
9 (2 copies) $1 each
10 $1
11 $1
12 $1
Toxic Avenger
1 (3 copies) $1 each
2 $1
Sleepwalker
1 (3 copies) $2 each
3 $1
7 $1
Kool Aid Man #1 (sealed in white bag, 2 copies) $2 each
X-Force
1 (bagged w/ Cable Card) $4
1 (bagged w/ Shatterstar Card) $3
2 $2
3 $1
4 $1
NFL Superpro
1  $1
Dr. Strange #31 $1
Hawkworld Annual #2 (2nd print, Armegedon 2001 tie in) $1
Hawk & Dove Annual #2 (Armegedon 2001 tie in) $1
Justice League of America Annual #5 (Armegedon 2001 tie in) $1
Send all bids and comments to
02106@chopin.udel.edu
Thanks
Sam (the "ex"  comic book collector)
College of Electrical Engineering, University of Delaware
From: donath@math.uiowa.edu (Matt Donath)
Subject: US Robotics 14.4 modem
Originator: donath@oak.math.uiowa.edu
Nntp-Posting-Host: oak.math.uiowa.edu
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Lines: 5
Reply to haljordan@delphi.com or call 708 674-2603:
U.S. Robotics 16.8 Dual standard, V.32 bis, 14.4k baud,
16.8 hst.  Price: $449.
From: tripper@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (andrew.r.tripp)
Subject: Airline Tickets -- O'Hare->Tuscon
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Keywords: Tickets - O'Hare->Tucson Round Tripp
Lines: 29
Two Round-Trip Tickets
O'Hare --> Tuscon
American Airlines
Good thru November
No Reasonable Offer Refused, But lets start at
$750 for both (Paid $925)
Hopefully someone can use these as I
have no use for them, and don't know a  way
to get my moneys worth without going to
Tuscon again!  `
E-Mail only at this time
tripper@cbnewsk.cb.att.com
//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
Now why would AT&T or Butler Services
have anything to do with my warped ramblings?!
Crabby-Old-Fart Mechanical/PCB Designer w/buku CAD background,
& still working on BSCS is looking for work!
Wants to take a shot at ASIC/IC Layout!!
--------------------------------------------------------------
A.R.Tripp - a.k.a. tripper@cbnewsk.cb.att.com
--------------------------------------------------------------
//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
From: eliz@ai.mit.edu (Elizabeth Willey)
Subject: Re: Printing
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
Lines: 37
NNTP-Posting-Host: corpus-callosum.mit.edu
In-reply-to: "Jack Previdi"'s message of Thu, 15 Apr 1993 20:02:49 GMT
"Jack Previdi" <p00020@psilink.com> writes, in reply to Dorothy Heydt
reminding us that advertising is not done on Internet:
As a matter of fact D.J., it does make a difference.
Almost a half million new users joined the Internet last year,
many of them are commercial businesses. The ban on commercial
use of Internet is no more.
Jack, there is a difference between using the network for commercial
purposes and advertising in newsgroups.  Business communication is
okay.  Advertising to hundreds of thousands of users around the planet
who have no desire to receive advertising is not okay.
Those of us who pay for Internet access are constrained only
by our innate good taste and no have no "administrator" to
guide(?) us.
I suspect that a site which generated a large volume of material not
in anybody's good taste would find itself getting a lot of attention
it didn't want.  You may belong to the public library, but that
doesn't mean you can deface the books, disorder the stacks, or disturb
the other patrons.
You're constrained by the same rules that the rest of the users (many
academic and military, who get irritable about a network for which
they pay with tax and grant money carrying private business
advertising) follow.  There are Secret Masters here, just like
everywhere else.  They're not as obvious as the ones on Prodigy, but
they're here.
No doubt at some point the Internet, like everything else, will become
grotty enough to carry advertising.  At that time I hope it is
confined to its own newsgroups and not on discussion groups---like
misc.writing.
Elizabeth Willey
From: 02106@ravel.udel.edu (Samuel Ross)
Subject: Sams comic sale!! Low prices!!! READ!!!
Nntp-Posting-Host: ravel.udel.edu
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: usa
Lines: 375
OK.  Instead of holding an auction, I have decided to compute prices for each comic (after many suggestions).  These are the most reasonable prices I can give (not negotiable).  If you would like to purchase a comic (or group), simply email me with the title and issue #'s you want.  The price for each issue is shown beside each comic.  First come, first served!!!  There is no more bidding.  Meet my price and it is yours.  I can be reached at this email address:
02106@chopin.udel.edu or
02106@ravel.udel.edu or
02106@bach.udel.edu or
02106@brahms.udel.edu
NO MORE HAGGLING ABOUT THE PRICE!!!!!!!!
LOTS OF COMICS FOR $1, $2, or $3 LOOK AT LIST!!!!!
Shipping is $2 for 1-3 comics.  For more than 3, the price will be determined by the volume of the purchase (I may have to use a big heavy box for large orders which costs more to mail).
For all those who have bought comics from me, thanks!!!
All comics are near mint unless otherwise noted (my books were graded by
mile high comics and other comic professional collectors, not me!)
Here is the list:
Incredible Hulk
156 (vs another Hulk) $3
195 $2
196 $2
246 (vs Captain Marvel) $1
248 $1
249 $1
250 (Double size issue vs Silver Surfer) $5
255 (vs Thor) $1
279 $1
300 $2
312 $2
313 $1
316 (vs Bi Coastal Avengers) $1
347 $1
348 $1
350 (vs Thing) $2
354 $1
358 $1
360 $1
362 (vs Werewolf By Night) $2
364 $1
365 $1
366 $1
379 (1 copy) $5
Punisher
50 $1
57 $2
Punisher War Journal
29 (Ghost Rider) $2
30 (Ghost Rider) $2
Punisher Armory
1 $4
2 $2
Original Ghost Rider Rides Again (Reprint)
1 $1
Ghost Rider (old series)
37 $3
43 (vs Johnny Blaze) $3
77 (2 copies, origin of GR dream) $4 each
Ghost Rider (new series)
15 (1st print, Green glow in dark cover, 1 copy) $5
15 (2nd print, gold cover w/ glow cover) $3
Web of Spiderman
56 (2 copies) $2 each
60 $3
69 (vs Hulk, 1 copy left!!!)  $2
70 (SpiderHulk, 1 copy left!!!)  $2
71 $1
72 $1
78 $1
Deadly Foes of Spiderman
1 (2 copies) $2 each
2 $2
3 $2
Amazing Spiderman vs Dr. Octopus (special NACME issue) $2
Amazing Spiderman
350 (vs Dr. Doom, 1 copy LEFT!!!) $2
Spiderman (1990)
1 (silver, not bagged) $4
6 $3
7 $3
8 (2 copies) $2 each
9 (w/ Wolverine, 1 COPY LEFT!!!) $2
10 $2
11 $1
13 $5
16 $1
New Warriors
1 (gold cover) $2
8 $4
10 $2
11 $1
12 $1
13 $1
14 (w/ Darkhawk) $1
15 $1
Superman Man of Steel #1 $2
Superman (new)
53 (2 copies) $1 each
55 $1
56 $1
Adventures of Superman
479 $1
Annual #3 $1
Superman Annual #3 (Armegedon 2001 tie in) $1
Action Comics #666 $1
Avengers West Coast #69 (Hawkeye vs US Agent) $1
Batman
465 (Robin returns) $2
466 $1
467 $1
Annual #15 (Armegedon 2001 tie in) $3
Captain America
230 (vs Hulk) $2
257 (vs Hulk) $1
Armegedon 2001
1 $4
2 $2
Foolkiller #1 $2
Infinity Gauntlet
1 $6
4 $3
5 $3
Double Dragon #1 $1
Deathlok (series)
2 $1
Transformers #80 (last issue) $2
Wonder Man
1 $1
2 $1
Flaming Carrot #25 (w/ Ninja Turtles) $2
The Comet #1 $1
Legend of the Shield #1 $1
Justice Society of America
1 $1
2 $1
3 $1
4 $1
Official movie mag from Turtles II movie (sealed w/ Jelloman comic) $5
Robin
1 (1 copies w/ poster) $3
1 (3rd print) $1
5 (6 copies) $1 each
Guardians of the Galaxy
1 $6
2 $3
3 $2
4 $2
5 $2
6 $2
7 $2
8 $2
9 (2 copies) $3 each
10 $2
11 $2
12 $1
13 $3
14 $3
15 $1
16 $1
17 $1
18 (2 copies) $2 each
Superman vs Amazing Spiderman (oversized issue from 70's) $7
DarkHawk
1 (3 copies) $8 each
2 (2 copies) $6 each
3 $5
4 $4
5 $4
6 $3
7 $2
8 $2
9 $3
10 $1
Thor
246 $1
428 $1
429 (vs Juggernaut) $2
430 (w/ Ghost Rider) $1
431 $1
432 (Thor vs Loki, 2 copies) $3 each
433 (new Thor) $2
Annual #16 $1
What if....
13 $1
23 $1
25 $2
26 $1
Alpha Flight
29 $1
51 $6
53 $6
94 (vs Fant. 4) $1
New Mutants
22 $2
100 (last issue, 1st look at X-Force, 1st print, 2 copies) $5 each
100 (2nd print, gold cover) $4
Flash (new)
43 $1
48 $1
49 $1
50 $2
51 $1
Annual #4 $1
X-Men (new)
1 (all 5 covers) $1 each but $2 for magneto  foldout cover
Uncanny X-Men
191 $3
215 $2
255 (2 copies) $2 each
258 $6
268 (1 sold,1 copy left!, Lee reg artist) $10
275 (1 COPY LEFT 1st print) $6
275 (gold 2nd print) $3
276 $3
277 $3
278 $2
279 $2
280 $2
281 $3
282 $4
283 $6
Defenders
52 (Hulk vs Sub Mariner) $2
Fantastic Four
347 $4
348 $2
349 (3 copies) $2 each
Wolverine
11 $3
20 $2
41 (w/ Cable, 2 copies) $6 each
42 $4
43 $3
Silver Surfer (1987)
1 $6
2 $3
3 $3
4 $3
5 $2
6 $2
8 $2
22 $2
24 $2
32 $2
49 $2
50 (Foil cover, only 1 copy left!!) $6
51 $2
52 $2
53 $1
54 $1
55 $1
56 $1
58 $2
59 $2
Avengers
326 $3
328 (origin of Rage) $3
X-Factor
40 $6
67 $3
68 $6
71 $3
73 $1
Quasar
21 $1
22 $1
23 $1
24 $1
Green Lantern (1990)
3 $2
9 (2 copies) $1 each
10 $1
11 $1
12 $1
Toxic Avenger
1 (3 copies) $1 each
2 $1
Sleepwalker
1 (3 copies) $2 each
3 $1
7 $1
Kool Aid Man #1 (sealed in white bag, 2 copies) $2 each
X-Force
1 (bagged w/ Cable Card) $4
1 (bagged w/ Shatterstar Card) $3
2 $2
3 $1
4 $1
NFL Superpro
1  $1
Dr. Strange #31 $1
Hawkworld Annual #2 (2nd print, Armegedon 2001 tie in) $1
Hawk & Dove Annual #2 (Armegedon 2001 tie in) $1
Justice League of America Annual #5 (Armegedon 2001 tie in) $1
Send all bids and comments to
02106@chopin.udel.edu
Thanks
Sam (the "ex"  comic book collector)
College of Electrical Engineering, University of Delaware
From: jac2y@Virginia.EDU ("Jonathan A. Cook <jac2y>")
Subject: Stuff for sale- music
Organization: University of Virginia
Lines: 19
CDs ($9 ea inc shipping)
---
Jesus Jones, DOUBT
Residents, HEAVEN?
REM, DOCUMENT
Nymphs, SAD AND DAMNED single
Tapes
-----
Robert Plant, all solo stuff
Led Zeppelin IV
Tshirts
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Robert Plant, Manic Nirvana tour
Led Zeppelin, Symbols/Swansong black
Bob Dylan, 1990 tour tie-dye
All offers accepted.  Mail to jac2y@virginia.edu
From: mjerger@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (militant archangel)
Subject: hp48sx with 128k
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Lines: 12
HP 48SX calculator with 128K card.  Have manuals, boxes, pc cable, etc.  Only
5 months old, hardly used.
Make an offer.
Mike
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Mike Jerger                                | Internet: mjerger@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu
From: thssjyh@iitmax.iit.edu (Jianqing Hu)
Subject: GRE software, cheap !
Organization: Illinois Institute of Technology / Academic Computing Center
Distribution: usa
Lines: 11
GRE software for MS-DOS, from StudyWare. original disk, manual.
Tutorial stuff,tests, examples and a lot more.
Retail price is around $50.
Best offer around $15.00, will pay shipping
For best results, you need a graphic display card, EGA or VGA
Jianqing Hu
thssjyh@iitmax.acc.iit.edu
From: bakerjn@sage.cc.purdue.edu (John Baker)
Subject: OAKLEYS for sale (Bulls vs. Blazers too!)
Keywords: Good Deal!
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University
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I have a pair of Oakleys that cost about $100 new a year ago.  I hardly ever
wore them because they just don't look right on me.  They are orange and
blue and are the "blade" kind (Terminator style).  I am willing to sell these
for $40 to the first response I get.
I also have a Bulls vs. Blazers game for the SNES that is in perfect
condition.  I am selling it for $35.  It includes the instruction manual.
John
bakerjn@sage.cc.purdue.edu
From: andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman)
Subject: Re: Catalog of Hard-to-Find PC Enhancements (Repost)
Organization: Computer Science Department,  Stanford University.
Distribution: usa
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In article <C5JI92.KFu@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil> rpwhite@cs.nps.navy.mil (rpwhite) writes:
>Andy Freeman writes:
>>Joe Doll writes:
>)>>   "The Catalog of Personal Computing Tools for Engineers and Scien-
>)>>   tists" lists hardware cards and application software packages for
>)>>   PC/XT/AT/PS/2 class machines.  Focus is on engineering and scien-
>)>>   tific applications of PCs, such as data acquisition/control,
>)>>   design automation, and data analysis and presentation.
>
>)>>   If you would like a free copy, reply with your (U. S. Postal)
>)>>   mailing address.
>>
>>Don't bother - it never comes.  It's a cheap trick for building a
>>mailing list to sell if my junk mail flow is any indication.
>
>I have a copy of this catalog in front of me as I write this.
>It does have tons of qool stuff in it.
That's one.  Any others?
>My impression is that they try not to send it out to "browsers".
Then they should have used a different advert.
>It appears that if your not a buyer or an engineer they do not want to
>waste a catalog on you.
I'm both.  I've made some $4k worth of PC products purchasing
decisions for one company I'm affiliated with in the past 6 months
alone.  (In a delicious bit of irony, an interesting fraction went to
suppliers that I suspect got my mailing address from these people.)
More is in the pipeline right now.
If they wanted to discuss these sorts of things, upfront is the
way to do it.
>When you get a catalog there's a "VIP Code" you
And who issues that "VIP Code"?  (That policy implementation in the
running for this week's "silly twit" award.)  BTW - It turns out that
I have several VIP codes.  Here's the one I'm using for these sorts of
things: "6".  (If you want one, send me mail and I'll put you in touch
with the folks who do the application interview; if you qualify....)
-andy
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From: andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman)
Subject: Re: Is itproper net etiquette to advertise a company's junk mail list?
Organization: Computer Science Department,  Stanford University.
Distribution: usa
Lines: 42
In article <1993Apr15.234451.15707@leland.Stanford.EDU> thomper@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dale Buford Thompson) writes:
>>My company maintains a 20,000+ mailing list which is regularly rented for
> ^^^^^^^^^^
Oh no!  Someone is provided useful information AND mentioned that they
made money in the field.  Don't they know that usenet is reserved for
uninformed speculation by people trying to sell their personal stuff
(from houses to dead pcs) at a huge markup/trying to unload stuff they
bought from their company at just under retail, and other
"non-commercial" activities.
>>a MS Windows utility product in the $100 range, and is available through
>                                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>Direct Media in CT., at $0.10 per name.  Please let your direct mail
>                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^   !!!!!!^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>marketing rep. know about this..  Thanks.
>>               !!!! !!!!! !!!!
>
>It is my impression that net etiquette does not allow companies to
>use the net to directly advertise their products.
The net is not "supposed" to be a dumping ground for free ads, but
reserving it for tripe doesn't seem to be a significant improvement.
>In addition to improper etiquette, this product is a mailing list
>used for generating junk mail.
So?  Either they target it well enough to pay for it, in other words,
they manage to send it to people who want the stuff (in which case it
is junk only for the "rest" and the transaction costs are borne
appropriately in this case) or they go bankrupt.  Seems fair to me.
>Am I correct in assuming this is improper, and if so, what can be
>done to penalize such an improper use?
You could hold your breath.  You could kill offending messages as
they come onto your machine and refuse to send them any further,
but not until you turn blue.
-andy
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From: tpremo@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Cinnamon Bear)
Subject: Onkyo 55w/ch integrated amp forsale:
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Distribution: usa
Lines: 18
I have a Onkyo integrated amplifier that I am looking to get rid of.
60w/ch
integra series
works great
not a problem
Asking $100 OBO
If your interested call me at (317)743-2656  or email this address.
MAKE ME AN OFFER!!!
Todd
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Subject: Contax camera system for sale
From: joltes@husc10.harvard.edu (Richard Joltes)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Harvard University Science Center
Nntp-Posting-Host: husc10.harvard.edu
Lines: 24
This is posted for a friend who doesn't have net access...you can send replies
to me, but I'll be out of my office all next week, so don't expect a response
until at least 4/27!
For sale:  Contax camera system
Includes:  Contax 139 quartz SLR body
50mm f1.7 Zeiss (!) Planna Lens
135mm f2.8 Yashica Lens
Medium-sized hard case
All items are in exceptional condition.
Asking price:  $175 for all items listed above.  The seller is attempting to
sell the lot as a set, but you can negotiate that with him.
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Dick Joltes						joltes@husc.harvard.edu
Hardware & Networking Manager, Computer Services 	joltes@husc.bitnet
Harvard University Science Center
"Any woman that you become extremely attracted to will immediately tell you
that you're the best friend a woman could ever have."  -- David Crist
From: victorf@babbage.seas.ucla.edu (Victor Friedman)
Subject: Re: Apartment in Moscow for Rent!!!
Organization: SEASnet, University of California, Los Angeles
Lines: 19
In article <1993Apr7.134501.4632@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> vsloutsk@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Vladimir Sloutsky) writes:
>
>                Apartment for rent in downtown Moscow!!!
>
>2- room furnished apartment in a very nice location. 5 minutes walk to
>Belorusskaya subway station. Walking distance to Kremlin, major shopping
>centers, theaters, restaurants, and government buildings.
>
Hmmm... Interesting. What do you mean by WALKING distance? I lived in
Moscow for 21 years, and if I am 5 minutes walk to Belorusskaya
subway station, I CANNOT be walking distance to Kremlin. Unless
1 hour of walking is what you mean. By the way, what is
the price? I may plan a trip there (not sure yet, though) in
late summer.
Vick
(victorf@seas.ucla.edu)
From: news@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Subject: '87 Buick Century Estate Wagon
Nntp-Posting-Host: bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: cmh
Lines: 1
This article was probably generated by a buggy news reader.
From: brain@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (harish.s.mangrulkar)
Subject: Pocono Vacation House Rental
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Lines: 35
Available for Weekly/bi-weekly/weekend Rental :
A brand new chalet in a private resort community located in the heart
of the Pocono Mountains. The chalet has 3 bedrooms and 2 bathrooms and
features full carpeting, cathedral ceiling in living/dining room, an
overlooking loft, stone fireplace, wraparound deck, country kitchen
with all appliances and many other features too numerous to list them
all. Its custom designed and built and tastefully furnished for the
comfort of 8 adults.
The community has 24 hour security and offers 2 large lakes, 4 sandy
beaches, 2 swimming pools, 9 tennis courts, many picnic areas,
4 playgrounds, miniature golf, trout stream/lake fishing, team softball,
shuffleboard, ice skating/tobagun run, teen dances, club house etc. etc.
There are many recreational facilities within easy reach of the
vacation home. Ski resorts, luxury hotels with nitely entertaiment,
Pocono international raceway, golf courses, parks, gamelands,
whitewater rafting, horseback riding, scenic trails, waterfalls,
train rides, historical places, all kinds of restaurants,
factory outlet malls, tourist attractions, just to name a few.
This is an ideal place for a family/group vacation or a weekend
getaway. There is no traffic congestion and air or water pollution
and its only 2 hours from New York, Northern New Jersey and
Philadelphia.
For further information call :
908-834-1254 (daytime)
908-388-5880 (evenings and weekends)
Subject: *** Text Books for sale [must sell]***
From: koutd@hiramb.hiram.edu (DOUGLAS KOU)
Organization: Hiram College
Nntp-Posting-Host: hiramb.hiram.edu
Lines: 22
I have several books which I really wish to sell.
Calculus with Analytic Geometry by Howard Anton 3rd edition
Chemistry by Zumdahl	second edition.
Acts of War-- the behavior of men in battle by Richard Holmes
Observing the Nixon Years by Jonathan Schell
The Things They carried by Tim O'Brien
Shrapnel in the Heart-- Letters and remembrances from the Vietname
Memorial by Laura Palmer
The Good War-- an oral history of world war two by Studs Terkel
Make me an offer, you could contact me at koutd@hirama.hiram.edu
Douglas Kou
Hiram College
From: v5914ane@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Steve)
Subject: Wanted Ultima 5 for IBM
Organization: University at Buffalo
Lines: 4
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41
Nntp-Posting-Host: ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu
I am looking for Ultima V for the IBM, I would like the entire package
(meaning I need more than just the game, I would like the Docs also)
Since it is an old game I do not want to pay a lot of money.
If you are interested in selling this game please respond to this message.
From: gt4661a@prism.gatech.EDU (gt4661a gt4661a PAOLO,MARC ANTHONY)
Subject: Computer For Sale
Distribution: atl
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology
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PAOLO,MARC ANTHONY
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
uucp:     ...!{allegra,amd,hplabs,ut-ngp}!gatech!prism!gt4661a
Internet: gt4661a@prism.gatech.edu
From: johnr@cactus.org (John Hughes Rost)
Subject: Voice Processing for IBM PCs
Keywords: VOICE PROCESSING HARDWARE SOFTWARE
Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx
Distribution: tx
Lines: 29
SALE: VOICE PROCESSING SYSTEM for IBM compatibles
Item:  DIALOGIC/41B Multi-line Voice Processing System
Description: The DIALOG/41B is a PC XT/AT board that provides
processing functions and call progress analysis for four
independent phone lines simultaneously.  The D/41B features
the ability to record, playback, autoanswer, auto-dial,
detect and generate DTMF tones, and perform telephone
mamagement functions.
With this card you can make your computer talk on
4 phone lines simultaneously.  You can design your own
ANSWERING SYSTEM or by one already programmed.  You can build
your own DIGITAL PAGER business and open up a business for
VOICE MAILBOXES.
Comes complete with manuals and demo software and programming
libraries for C (UNIX and DOS).
PRICE: LIST     $1395.00
YOU PAY   $795.00
For more info send mail!
Contact: John Rost
(512) 343-0332 <leave message>
johnr@cactus.org <send mail>
Subject: items 4sale, received from a award giving company
From: koutd@hiramb.hiram.edu (DOUGLAS KOU)
Organization: Hiram College
Nntp-Posting-Host: hiramb.hiram.edu
Lines: 23
I participated in a promotion by a company called Visual Images.
I attempted to cancel my order before the package arrived. I was
not able to stop them and now I have a package which I do not need.
Nishika 3D camera, wide angle flesh, film, carring case, instruction
tapes, and some jewelrys.
3 vacation vouchers to Bahama, Cancun, Las Vegas, Orlando.
I paid $697 for the promotion package, and the vacation vouchers
came as gift. I really want to sell them, so make me an offer for
the whole package. If you are participating in a award, $697 is how
much you would end up paying. And I strongly believe that you would
get the same award as I do. If you are interested in those items,
you could get them from me for a cheaper price.
Let me know, and make me an offer. No flames please, I have got enough.
You could reach me at koutd@hirama.hiram.edu
Douglas Kou
Hiram College
From: tsa@cellar.org (The Silent Assassin)
Subject: Wanted:  286 motherboard, VGA card
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system
Lines: 9
I am looking for a 286 motherboard, preferable 12 or 16, 640k or 1 meg RAM.
I am also looking for a VGA card.
Am willing to trade 1200 external, 5.25" LD Drive, 8088 motherboard,
monochrome monitor, Game Boy, in some combination for the above.
Libertarian, atheist, semi-anarchal Techno-Rat.
I define myself--tsa@cellar.org
From: tsa@cellar.org (The Silent Assassin)
Subject: For Sale:  Game Boy
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system
Lines: 10
For sale:
Nintendo Game Boy, Tetris, Castlevania Adventure, All-Star Challenge,
Nemesis, Play-Action football, link cable.
Make me an offer.
Libertarian, atheist, semi-anarchal Techno-Rat.
I define myself--tsa@cellar.org
From: awakhras@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Amer Wahid Akhras)
Subject: CD's For Sale
Originator: news@nimaster
Nntp-Posting-Host: phoenix.princeton.edu
Organization: Princeton University
Distribution: USA
Lines: 26
The following used CD's are for sale.  They are each $8 unless otherwise
marked.  I will pay for the shipping and handling costs.  If you are
interested in any just e-mail me at awakhras@phoenix.princeton.edu.  At
that point we will figure out the payment and mailing procedure.
Artist				Title
Robbie Robertson		Storyville
Love and Rockets		Love and Rockets
Jeff Lynne			Armchair Theatre
Elvis Costello			Mighty Like a Rose
Public Image LTD		9
Neneh Cherry			Raw Like Sushi
Bobby Brown 			Don't Be Cruel
Depeche Mode			Black Celebration
Traveling Wilburys              Vol. 1
Bad Company			10 from 6
Soul II Soul			Vol. II-1990 A New Decade
The Godfathers			More Songs About Love and Hate
Paul McCartney			Flowers in the Dirt
Simply Red			Stars
Prince				Graffitti Bridge
Amer Akhras
awakhras@phoenix.princeton.edu
From: erc@plitvice.berkeley.edu (Eric Ng)
Subject: Sega Genesis plus 9 sports games for sale
Nntp-Posting-Host: plitvice.berkeley.edu
Organization: University of California at Berkeley
Distribution: usa
Lines: 23
FOR SALE
1 Sega Genesis (including all cables, manuals, boxes)
1 controller
9 games, including all manuals and boxes:
Sonic the Hedgehog
Road Rash
John Madden Football '92
N.H.L. Hockey
Sportstalk Baseball
Bulls vs. Lakers and the N.B.A. Playoffs
John Madden Football '93
N.H.L.P.A. Hockey
Super Monaco GP II
All of the above for $300 (or best offer); price includes UPS COD
shipping.
Send e-mail to erc@zabriskie.berkeley.edu if interested.
-eric
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From: terry.walter@outlan.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Terry Walter)
Subject: LOOKING
Reply-To: terry.walter@outlan.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Terry Walter)
Distribution: world
Organization: Outland BBS
Lines: 12
Looking for a VIDEO in and OUT Video card for the IBM.  One that will
allow you to watch TV (coax) or video IN, and will do Video out,
digitize pictures.  and if I am in Windows, and would like to be able to
look the RCA out for the card to my TV and have it display on there, as
well as DOS apps.
I heard of these SNES and Genesis copiers, that will copy any games, are
those for real?
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Message was posted at outlan.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
#403-478-4010  HST and v.32bis  Try it, you'll like it!
From: jimd@psg.com (Jim Dorman)
Subject: Spring Cleaning Sale!
Organization: Pacific Systems Group, Portland Oregon US
Distribution: na
Lines: 71
Time once again to clean out the ol' closet.  Some stuff is up for offers, some
isn't.  Please read carefully.
In the MAKE OFFER department:
WordPerfect 5.0, upgrade copy.  Includes all disks and all upgrade
manuals.  Best offer.
Balance of Power, 1992 edition, for the Amiga.  With manual and reg.
card.  Best offer.
In the FOR SALE department:
Technics model 715 auto-reverse open-reel STEREO tape deck.  Because
it's auto-reverse, this deck records onto tape just like a cassette
deck does, so it's not very good for splice-type editing.  However,
I have used it effectively in "tape studio" applications for mastering,
and it works great.  3.75 and 7.5 ips speeds, supports up to 7" reels.
Dual lighted VU meters with record indicators.  Full auto-reverse
capable (and the mechanism works, too!).  Adjustable sound on sound,
and socket for remote control (I don't know where you'd find one, but
they used to make 'em), plus a 110VAC unswitched outlet.  This unit
is in excellent condition and I have had it rebuilt once since I got
it--works perfectly.
Price:  $225.00 or best offer, or possible trade (see below).
Panasonic KX-P1624 printer.  24-pin with 360x360dpi resolution in both
text and graphics modes.  Warranty cards, manuals, all the usual stuff
you expect when buying like-new merchandise.  I'm selling it because I
now have a better printer.  This is the wide carriage version of the
KX-P1124, by the way.  Test prints are available upon request.
Price:  $250.00 o.b.o. or trade.
Excalibur custom pool cue.  19 oz., 13 mm, brass joint, Irish linen
wrap, could use a new tip but will hold up for a while.  I've got too
many cues as it is, and don't need this one.  Hits nicely, is very
straight and in excellent condition.
Price:  $125.00 o.b.o. or trade.  Imperial hard case (1 butt/1 shaft)
available for an additional $40.00.
TRADES:  I need the following things, and I have no cash of my own right now,
so if you want to trade, it needs to be straight-across.   The list:
Amiga ROM upgrade to at LEAST 2.04, preferably 2.1+, with appropriate
DOS and Workbench.
1 meg Agnus chip for the Amiga.
Amiga hard drive and controller (preferably SCSI).
IBM-compatible hard drive (and controller if not MFM).  This one's
touchy, as I have a full-height and don't have room for more unless
I swap out--needs to be above 100M, and I will consider trading a
good ST-4096 in the deal.
Intel 9600EX or 14.4EX or similar EXTERNAL high-speed modem.
This is not a complete list, but it's close.  If you've got something way off
the track of this list, it's probably not going to interest me at this point.
Email responses, please.
From: mmchugh@andy.bgsu.edu (michael mchugh)
Subject: Pink Floyd 45 rpm singles for sale
Keywords: Pink Floyd rpm singles
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Lines: 17
I have the following 45 rpm singles for sale. Most are collectable 7-inch
records with picture sleeves. Price does not include postage which is $1.21
for the first record, $1.69 for two, etc.
Pink Floyd|Learning to Fly (Columbia Promo/Picture Sleeve)|$5
Waters, Roger|Sunset Strip (Columbia Promo/Picture Sleeve)|$10
Waters, Roger|Sunset Strip (Columiba Promo)|$5
Waters, Roger|Who Needs Information (Columiba Promo)|$10
If you are interested, please contact:
Michael McHugh
mmchugh@andy.bgsu.edu
From: mmchugh@andy.bgsu.edu (michael mchugh)
Subject: Rolling Stones 45 rpm singles for sale
Keywords: Rolling Stones 45 rpm singles
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Lines: 17
I have the following 45 rpm singles for sale. Most are collectable 7-inch
records with picture sleeves. Price does not include postage which is $1.21
for the first record, $1.69 for two, etc.
Rolling Stones|19th Nervous Brakdown (London Picture Sleeve)|$10
Rolling Stones|Jumpin Jack Flash (London Picture Sleeve)|$10
Rolling Stones|Mothers Little Helper (London Picture Sleeve)|$10
Rolling Stones|Paint It, Black (London Picture Sleeve)|$10
If you are intereste, please contact:
Michael McHugh
mmchugh@andy.bgsu.edu
From: tallen@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Thomas C Allen)
Subject: Northwest Air tix - SAVE $30 ANY FLIGHT
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Lines: 14
Northwest Air tix - SAVE $30 ANY FLIGHT
I have a $400 credit with Northwest Airlines which must be used
by Nov 27, 1993.
There is a $50 charge to change the ticket, so I will sell it for
$320.  It can be used for any Northwest flight, but I don't think
they will refund cash.
Please contact me at tallen@corp.hp.com  or (415)857-5878.
Tom Allen
From: mmchugh@andy.bgsu.edu (michael mchugh)
Subject: SAM Virus Clinic (Mac) Software for Sale
Keywords: SAM Virus Clinic Software Macintosh
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Distribution: usa
Lines: 12
I have one original SAM (Symantec AntiVirus for Macintosh) V3.0 for sale.
It comes with three program discs and one user manual. Will work with 800K and 1.4MB disc drives.
Selling for $17.90 (make an offer) which includes postage.
Respond to:
Michael McHugh
mmchugh@andy.bgsu.edu
From: mmchugh@andy.bgsu.edu (michael mchugh)
Subject: 45 rpm Singles for Sale (Complete List)
Keywords: Beatles Rolling Stones Pink Floyd Starr Lennon Talking Heads Ramons
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Lines: 46
I have the following 45 rpm singles for sale. Most are collectable 7-inch
records with picture sleeves. Price does not include postage which is $1.21
for the first record, $1.69 for two, etc.
Beach Boys|Barbara Ann (Capitol Picture Sleeve)|$10|45
Beach Boys|Califonia Girls (Capitol Picture Sleeve)|$15|45
Beach Boys|Fun, Fun, Fun (Capitol Picture Sleeve)|$10|45
Beach Boys|Little Girl I Once Knew (Capitol Picture Sleeve)|$10|45
Beach Boys|Please Let Me Wonder (Capitol Picture Sleeve)|$10|45
Beach Boys|Rock n Roll to the Rescue (Capitol Promo/Picture Sleeve)|$15|45
Beach Boys|When I Grow Up to Be a Man (Capitol Picture Sleeve)|$10|45
Beatles|Im Happy Just to Dance with You (Capitol Picture Sleeve)|$10|45
Doctor & the Medics|Burn (I.R.S. Promo/Picture Sleeve)|$5|45
General Public|Too Much or Nothing (I.R.S. Promo/Picture Sleeve)|$5|45
Go Gos|Our Lips are Sealed (I.R.S. Picture Sleeve)|$5|45
Lennon, John|Instant Karma! (We All Shine On) (Apple Picture Sleeve)|$15|$45
Lennon, John|Mind Games (Apple Picture Sleeve)|$10|$45
Madonna|Open Your Heart (Sire Promo)|$5|45
McCartney, Paul|Coming Up (Columbia. Picture Sleeve)|$10|45
McCartney, Paul|Mull of Kintyre (Capitol. Picture Sleeve)|$10|45
McCartney, Paul|Stranglehold (Capitol Promo/Picture Sleeve)|$5|45
McCartney, Paul|Wonderful Christmastime (Columbia. Picture Sleeve)|$10|45
Mercury, Freddie|I Was Born to Love You (Columbia Promo/Picture Sleeve)|$5|45
Pink Floyd|Learning to Fly (Columbia Promo/Picture Sleeve)|$5|45
Queen|Kind of Magic (Capitol Promo/Picture Sleeve)|$5|45
Ramones|Sheena is a Punk Rocker (Sire Promo/Picture Sleeve)|$5|45
Rolling Stones|19th Nervous Brakdown (London Picture Sleeve)|$10|45
Rolling Stones|Jumpin Jack Flash (London Picture Sleeve)|$10|45
Rolling Stones|Mothers Little Helper (London Picture Sleeve)|$10|45
Rolling Stones|Paint It, Black (London Picture Sleeve)|$10|45
Starr, Ringo|Photograph (Apple Picture Sleeve)|$15|$45
Starr, Ringo|Youre Sixteen (Apple Picture Sleeve)|$15|$45
Talking Heads|Road to Nowhere (Sire Promo/Picture Sleeve)|$5|45
Waters, Roger|Sunset Strip (Columbia Promo/Picture Sleeve)|$10|45
Waters, Roger|Sunset Strip (Columiba Promo)|$5
Waters, Roger|Who Needs Information (Columiba Promo)|%10|45
If you are interested, please contact:
Michael McHugh
mmchugh@andy.bgsu.edu
From: dlneal@apgea.army.mil (Dennis L. Neal <dlneal>)
Subject: C64/128 GAme: "X-Men" for sale...
Organization: Edgewood
Lines: 7
Nntp-Posting-Host: cbda9.apgea.army.mil
Selling X-men for the C64/128 for only $10 plus shipping.
first email gets it...
thanx,
-Dennis L. Neal        dlneal@cbda9.apgea.army.mil
From: Steve@Busop.cit.wayne.edu (Steve Teolis)
Subject: Re: *** TurboGrafx System For SALE ***
Organization: Wayne State University
Lines: 38
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.217.75.24
>TurboGrafx-16 Base Unit (works like new) with:
>       1 Controller
>       AC Adapter
>       Antenna hookup
>     * Games:
>         Kieth Courage
>         Victory Run
>         Fantasy Zone
>         Military Madness
>         Battle Royal
>         Legendary Axe
>         Blazing Lasers
>         Bloody Wolf
>
>  --------------------------------------
>* Will sell games separatley at $25 each
>  --------------------------------------
Your kidding, $210.00, man o man, you can buy the system new for $49.00 at
Electronic Boutique and those games are only about $15 - $20.00 brand new.
Maybe you should think about that price again if you REALLY need the money.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Wayne State University
Steve Teolis
6050 Cass Ave. # 238
Detroit, MI  48202
Steve@Busop.cit.wayne.edu
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From: harmon@math.ohio-state.edu (Jim Harmon)
Subject: MIDI Keyboard $225
Organization: Department of Mathematics, The Ohio State University
Lines: 13
Distribution: cmh
NNTP-Posting-Host: ford.mps.ohio-state.edu
Roland HS-60 (SynthPlus 60)
- 6 voice polyphonic fully programmable analog synthesizer
- 61 full size keys
- MIDI
- Memory to store 128 patches
- built in speakers
- Connectors: MIDI in thru out, Input(2), Expansion Pedal, Head Phones,
Tape Load & Save, Patch Shift, Pedal Hold, Output(2)
Asking $225
harmon@mps.ohio-state.edu
From: mark@ocsmd.ocs.com (Mark Wilson)
Subject: WANTED: The Nine-Mile Walk
Organization: Online Computer Systems, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Distribution: misc.forsale
Lines: 31
[ Article crossposted from rec.arts.books ]
[ Author was Mark Wilson ]
[ Posted on Wed, 21 Apr 1993 11:55:55 GMT ]
I am looking for the following book, which I have
only seen as a paperback (I lent my copy to someone,
and forgetfulness has made that pronoun PERMANENTLY
indeterminate!).  I am looking for one OR two copies!
Title: The Nine-Mile Walk and Other Stories
(unsure about the hyphen and the exact subtitle)
Author: Harry Kemelman (author of all the "Rabbi" mysteries)
It's a collection of short mystery stories.  Please email
mark@ocsmd.ocs.com OR call the 800 number given below.
Thanks!
- Mark
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From: tarq@ihlpm.att.com
Subject: Forsale - Steyr 9mm Parabellum
Organization: AT&T
Lines: 25
FOR SALE - Steyr GB 9mm Parabellum
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This is an excellent handgun for the first time buyer or
an experienced handgunner. It is in excellent condition.
I never had a misfire with it.
Make:		Steyr Model GB 9mm Parabellum
Magazine:	18 rounds
Barrel:		Hard-chrome-plated inside and outside for
long term durability and wear resistance.
Fixed mount.
Price:		$375, obo.
Comes with 2 magazines, original owner's manual.
Contact:	T. Ahmad, ihlpm!tarq, (708)979-0838 (weekdays)
From: 5417younisa@vms.csd.mu.edu
Subject: Wanted IDE hard drive >40
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
Lines: 2
Reply-To: 5417younisa@vms.csd.mu.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsf.csd.mu.edu
and  A VGA monitor..
e-mail
From: carolan@owlnet.rice.edu (Bryan Carolan Dunne)
Subject: WYSIWYG word processor for DOS!!!!!!
Organization: Rice University
Lines: 70
Hey!!! I've just upgraded my laptop to a Windows-capable one, so I
don't need my DOS word processor anymore.  It's a great word
processor.  Easy-to-use, undemanding on the system, and
best of all, it has a WYSIWYG EDITING mode.  This is something
Word Perfect doesn't have!!  And all I'm asking is $65 + shipping.
It even comes with several hundred dollars of free utilities!!!
$65 for a full-featured WYSIWYG word processor!!!  Perfect for
a laptop, or a lower powered machine!
Check this out:
CA> It has:
CA> - WYSIWYG-mode editing (Word Perfect still trying to do
CA> this!)
CA> - Graphics-importing, scaling, and resizing (Comes
CA> with free art!)
CA> - Scalable fonts (30 typefaces included!)
CA> Indentical from screen to printer! (See below for more info
CA> on font generator)
CA> - On-line spell-checking and thesaurus
CA> (See below for more info!)
CA> - Great 10-level outliner!
CA> - Multiple columns
CA> - Dual-document opening and editing
CA> - Line and box drawing
CA> - Search and replace
CA> - Cut, copy, insert, and paste between documents and inside
CA> documents
CA> - Justification control
CA> - Resettable margins, tabs, and line-spacing
CA> - Savable layouts
CA> - Headers, footers, page numbering
CA> - Table of Contents
CA> - Multiple rulers in one document
CA> - Mail merge
CA>
CA> Also included as free utilities:
CA> - Publisher's Powerpak Font Engine: This gives PFS:Write
CA> scalable fonts  in sizes from 4pt to 72pt!  Support for
CA> screen (in Write) and printer  (even 9-pin dot-matrix looks
CA> great!).  Comes with 30 typefaces.  Supports  subscripts and
CA> superscripts, too!
CA> - Grammatik IV: The grammar and style
CA> checker.  Comes with a quick  reference card for easy use.
CA> It really helped my punctuation and usage!
CA> - International CorrectSpell English and Roget's Electronic
CA> Thesaurus: Th dictionary and thesuarus pack is published by
CA> the publishers of The American Hertiage Dictionary.  If you
CA> can't trust them with your words, who can you trust?
CA> - ClickArt Business Images: A sampler of the ClickArt
CA> library.  Perfect for importing into PFS:Write documents.
CA>
CA> I bought this product 1 year ago for $129. Its easy to use
CA> and turns out great-looking documents, even on a dot-matrix
CA> printer.  So if you  want WYSIWYG editing for your DOS-computer
CA> now, PFS:Write is here!
CA>
CA> I'm looking to get $65.  It comes with full
CA> documentation, registration cards, the box (its still in
CA> good condition), both 5 1/4" and 3 1/2" disks for PFS:Write
CA> and Grammatik, and the ClickArt on a 3 1/2" disk. The
CA> utilities PFS:Write comes with are worth $300 alone, so $65
CA> for a full-featured WP is a REAL BARGAIN.  Buyer pays
CA> shipping.
CA>
CA> Please respond by email to carolan@owlnet.rice.edu
CA> or call (713) 520-5720
CA>
CA> Bryan Dunne
From: cmd@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (craig.m.dinsmore)
Subject: VCR, Cassette, Generator, tube tester, lawn spreader
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: chi
Keywords: forsale
Lines: 21
For Sale:
VCR - Samsung VR2610 basic 2 head machine. It has a problem loading the tape,
otherwise it plays and records just fine, remote is missing. $25 or make offer.
Cassette deck - Pioneer CT-F900, three head, servo control, dolby. This was
the top of the line (or close to it) several years ago. The rewind doesn't
work well. All else is fine. Service & owners manual included. $45 or offer.
Generator - 120 VAC 2000-2500 watt, has a voltmeter w/duplex outlet, a 5 hp
engine should drive it to full output. Manufactered by Master Mechanic in
Burlington Wisconsin.  $50 or make an offer
EICO Model 625 tube tester.   $20 or make offer
Lawn spreader - Scott "precision flow" model PF-1 drop type, excellent
condition, ideal for a smaller yard. $20 or make offer.
Craig    days: 979-0059  home: 293-5739
From: caldwell@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Wayne Caldwell)
Subject: Printer and game for sale
Nntp-Posting-Host: epcot
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Lines: 14
I have the following for sale:
TI 855 Printer in excellect working condition
$100 + postage
Game = The Lost Files of Sherlock Holmes
Original box and contents used 1 time and
unregistered  $30 + postage
If iterested EMAIL me at:
EMAIL = caldwell@epcot.spdc.ti.com
and I will hold it for you.
From: craigb@rs6312.ecs.rpi.edu (Brian Craig)
Subject: Polk S4 's forsale
Nntp-Posting-Host: rs6312.ecs.rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Distribution: misc.forsale
Lines: 14
Pair of Polk S4 for sale
Brand New never opened
$220.00
craigb@rpi.edu
From: vsloutsk@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Vladimir Sloutsky)
Subject: Apartment for Rent in Russia
Nntp-Posting-Host: bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University
Lines: 14
Apartment for rent in downtown Moscow!!!
2- room furnished apartment in a very nice location. 5 minutes walk to
Belorusskaya subway station. Walking distance to Kremlin, major shopping
centers, theaters, restaurants, and government buildings.
Available in early June.
Please, call:
(614)-459-4256
or send E-mail:
vsloutsk@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
From: ralf@iqsc.COM (Ralf)
Subject: Items For Sale
Organization: IQ Software Corp.
Lines: 24
ITEMS FOR SALE - PRICE LISTED OR BEST OFFER!!!!!!!
KFC SVGA Monitor 1024X768 .28DP Non-interlaced 14"
Screen, still under warranty! (Brand New)          $ 290.00
1200 Baud Compuadd Modem Box/docs/software         $  20.00
CGA Monitor with Cga/Parallel Card                 $  30.00
SCO UNIX V3.2.2 Unlimited User OS, has the base
and extended Utilities, and UUCP                   $ 150.00
Turbo C/Turbo C++ The complete reference book.     $  15.00
Serial I/O Card  1 serial Port                     $  10.00
Joystick, three button                             $  10.00
IDE Controller with 2 Serial, 1 parallel and one
Game port  2 available.                            $  10.00Each
(210)545-4741, ask for Ralf
From: mlf@unl.edu (mary flaglelee)
Subject: Wanted:Singer Featherweight 221
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln
Lines: 7
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: unlinfo.unl.edu
Keywords: Singer sewing machine
I'm looking for a Singer Featherweight 221 sewing machine (old, black
sewing machine in black case).
Please contact:
Mary Flagle-Lee
mlf@unlinfo.unl.edu
From: JACK.T.SENDAK@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Jack T. Sendak       (V)")
Subject: Baseball card FOR SALE
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Lines: 7
I have a Roberto Clemente 1969 Topps baseball card for sale, in near-mint
condition (really as close to mint condition as you can get).  It lists for
$55 in my most recent baseball card pricelist for May.  I am offering it for
$50 and I'll pay the certified postage to ship it to you.
Please respond to Jack.T.Sendak@office.wang.com or at 1-800-999-3732 ext. 5269
in Maryland.
From: paschal@tscs.com (Charles O. Paschal)
Subject: Nth Engine Graphics Cards
Organization: Total Support Computer Systems, Tampa, Florida
Lines: 12
I have the following Nth Engine graphics cards for sale w/drivers for
AutoCAD R11. Display list proccessing is done through hardware.
B640	- 640x480
B752	- 752x580
I will take the highest reanable offer.
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UUCP: paschal@tscs					   FAX: (813) 871-2783
US-MAIL: Post Office Box 15395 - Tampa, Florida  33684-5395
From: paschal@tscs.com (Charles O. Paschal)
Subject: Novell 2.0a/3.11
Organization: Total Support Computer Systems, Tampa, Florida
Lines: 10
I have a  novell 2.0a that I will sell for $692 which can be upgraded to 3.11
for $460. The novell has complete documentation but no network cards except
the ID card.
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UUCP: paschal@tscs					   FAX: (813) 871-2783
US-MAIL: Post Office Box 15395 - Tampa, Florida  33684-5395
From: cs3sd3ae@maccs.mcmaster.ca (Holly       KS)
Subject: Re: ROLAND JUNO-60 SYNTHESIZER*UNIDEN RADAR DETECTOR 4 SALE
Nntp-Posting-Host: maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca
Organization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University
Lines: 4
Actually they synth used in "JUMP" was an Oberheim. Watch the video.......
Kevin
From: brett@oce.orst.edu (Brett Barksdale)
Subject: ***** HIGH-END CAR STEREO FOR SALE *****
Organization: Oregon State University, College of Oceanography
Lines: 25
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: porky.oce.orst.edu
=============================================================================
NOTE: This is being posted for a friend. DO NOT REPLY to my account. Please
direct all replies to Scott Burke at scott@sparcom.com
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Alpine 5959S 6-CD Shuttle.  Paid $600, want $420/OBO.
Alpine 1203 Remote CD Changer Control.  Paid $250, want $175/OBO.
Boston ProSeries 10.0 Subwoofers (2) + Box.  Paid $545, want $380/OBO.
All equipment is under 6 months old and includes a full-replacement 5-year
warranty from original point of purchase.  The subwoofer box was custom
designed to fit in the back of a Bronco II and is 14" by 21" by 27".
Send replies to: scott@sparcom.com
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Scott Burke - Project Leader - Sparcom Corporation - Corvallis OR
scott@sparcom.com - Telephone (503) 757-8416 - FAX (503) 753-7821
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From: tsa@cellar.org (The Silent Assassin)
Subject: For Sale:  Misc IBM stuff
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system
Lines: 10
5.25" Internal Low density disk drive.
Monochrome monitor
8088 motherboard, built in parallel and serial ports, built in mono and
color output, 7Mhz.
Libertarian, atheist, semi-anarchal Techno-Rat.
I define myself--tsa@cellar.org
From: shapiro@sofbas.enet.dec.com (Steve Shapiro)
Subject: MS C/C++ BOOK   ** FORSALE **
Nntp-Posting-Host: sofba2
Organisation: SKS Computer Consulting, Inc.
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - Marlboro, MA
Lines: 12
Regards,
Steve.
/*******************************************************************
* Steve Shapiro                 * All views and opinions expressed *
* SKS Computer Consulting, Inc. * are my own and are offered as-is *
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* Steve.Shapiro@f440.n101.z1.fidonet.org  BBS: (508) 664-6354 N81  *
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Reply-To: jfreeman@frontporch.win.net (Jeff Freeman)
From: jfreeman@frontporch.win.net (Jeff Freeman)
Subject: Re: Question/Suggestion for Everyone - Please Read
Lines: 28
>
>If both paries do this, then the transaction will obviously
>be COD.  This allows both parties to exercise the amount of
>trust they see fit.
COD is fine until the buyer opens the box to find they paid 150.00
for a brick. Or if it the seller allows for a personal check to be used
on a COD it's fine till a stop payment is made. There are few methods
to protect both buyer and seller in any sort of transaction. Even with
merchants and customers there are problems...stolen credit cards,
chargebacks, no return policies and getting the wrong item, etc.
About the only protection available to to do business with someone you
trust....someone who has been around for a while.
Jeff
________________________________________________________________________
Jeff Freeman                    1-800-GO-PORCH Toll-Free
Front Porch Computers           1-706-695-1888 <voice>
Rt 2 Box 2178                   1-706-695-1990 <fax>
Chatsworth, GA 30705            75260,21  Compuserve ID #
Internet: jfreeman@frontporch.win.net
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From: anuster@wam.umd.edu (Anu Tuli)
Subject: Car for Sale
Nntp-Posting-Host: rac3.wam.umd.edu
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: usa
Lines: 35
From mikefran Wed Apr 21 10:55:39 EDT 1993
Article: 56 of csc.general
Newsgroups: dc.forsale,dc.general,um.general,csc.general
Path: wam.umd.edu!mikefran
From: mikefran@wam.umd.edu (Michael Francis)
Subject: Car for Sale
Message-ID: <1993Apr21.142729.7039@wam.umd.edu>
Keywords: 1981 Volkswagon Scirocco
Sender: usenet@wam.umd.edu (USENET News system)
Nntp-Posting-Host: rac3.wam.umd.edu
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: csc,um,dc
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1993 14:27:29 GMT
1981 Volkswagon Scirocco
Gold exterior and interior
5 speed transmission
AM/FM Stereo with cassette
Sunroof
Engine in good condition
New Tires
Needs $300 work on front left control arm because of damage caused by
pothole.
Runs well
Asking $800.00  AS IS / OBO.
email: mikefran@wam.umd.edu
From: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com (Dave Medin)
Subject: Transmitter tube
Reply-To: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville AL
Lines: 17
I've got an Eimac 818A/4PR1000A transmitter/linear amplifier tube,
unused, in original packaging (but opened and inventoried). I'd
guarantee this tube to operate and be as observation and its
paperwork say (unused), although I have no transmitter to test it
with. Offers?
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SSD--Networking				(205) 837-1174 (h)
Intergraph Corp.
M/S GD3004 		Internet: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com
Huntsville, AL 35894		UUCP:  ...uunet!ingr!b30!catbyte!dtmedin
******* Everywhere You Look (at least around my office) *******
* The opinions expressed here are mine (or those of my machine)
From: m14494@mwvm.mitre.org (Mike White)
Subject: Re: eXpEn$iVe MOTOROLA Handheld Radio For Peanuts!
Nntp-Posting-Host: smassimini-mac.mitre.org
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Distribution: na
Lines: 30
Agent_X writes:
> I can no longer use anything japanese.  Kenwood, Yeasu, Icom, Alinco, its
> ALL JUNK.
^^^^^^^^
Well, I'm not sure I'd go quite that far, but I agree that Motorola
gear is of better quality.  The question is how much that quality
is worth to a ham in amateur service, not commercial service
>This radio can hear a repeater thats 40 miles away without
> an antenna.
Ok, great. But how often does that come up?  How good is
"good enough", and how much is someone willing to pay for it?
A good ham-quality HT is maybe $500, while a commercial
quality one is maybe $2000. Is the increased reliability and
performance worth 4 times the price *in amateur service*?
Only the individual involved can answer that question, and each
ham has to decide for him/herself.  If Motorola quality is worth
4 times the price to you, then more power to ya'. But I'm amazed
that folks make that choice. For, me, given that I've got $2000 to
spend, I'l pick the Yaesu ht and a nice new HF rig every time over
a Motorola ht alone, no matter how good it is.  To me, ham-quality
gear is "good enough". To each his own...
73... Mike, N4PDY
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* These are my opinions only.*
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From: set@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (ViSioNary Gfx)
Subject: ATTENTION SUPER NINTENDO AND GENESIS PLAYERS READ THIS
Organization: Kansas State University
Lines: 56
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu
IM pleased to announce a new revolutionary device that allows you to
copy super nintendo and genesis games to floppy disk.  Then later
play from floppy disk with out the cart.  This is a independent system
that interfaces with your SNES or Genesis.
OTHER FEATURES
*Store multiple copies of cart. save game to disk (up to 32 saves to disk)
*Save your position in SNES games that don't norally have a save feature
*Switch your SNES into slow motion mode
*Use codes to get unlimited lives and other "cheats" in many games.
The Multi-Game Hunter is capable of copying both SNES and Genesis game
carts to standard IBM PC formated floppy disks. The games can them be played directly from the floppy disk. NOTE:IT does not require a PC
Full color on-screen icons and menus make operation for the MGH so simple
that even a child could operate it.  Options can be selected simply by choosing the selection with the game controller and pressin a button.
Add a Game saver adapter to your system for more game playing power.  The
Game saver allows you to save your position to disk in almost any SNES game!
Reload your saved position any time.  Enable it's slow-motion feature for those really tough games.
For more control over game play, We have the Game finger software.  The
game finger software can give you unlimited lives or warp you to new levels in
your favorite SNES games.  Bring back to life those really frustrating games.
Also if you know how to program 6518 6502 ASM code you can create your own
SNES demos or games.
MGH includes
Base unit,disk drive (high density 3.5 drive), 16megabit RAM, 256 SRAM,
all adapters and comes ready to hook up to your gameing system.
ONly thing not included is the power supply which you can pick up at
radio shack.
All for only $500
DISCLAMER
the customer assumes all responsibility for the use and or misuse of this
product.  We in no way encourage nor condone the use of this product for
software piracy.  This device is intended soley for making legal backup
copies.  Neither Nintendo or Sega has giving official endorsement of the
products described herein.
Email me for more info or to make a purchase
.
Organization: Central Michigan University
From: <3MWIEU4@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Subject: DAK shorwave radio
Lines: 3
Digitally-tuned shorwave radio with alarm clock and 5 presets per band.
Has AM, FM, SW1, and SW2 bands.   Asking $25 + shppg.
Reply for more details.    Thanks      Pete 3mwieu4@cmuvm.cmich.edu
From: davidson@mail.sas.upenn.edu (David Davidson)
Subject: Portable Color T.V. $160
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences
Lines: 20
Nntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu
Hey,
I have a Color Watchman by SONY for sale. It is 6"x3"x1" in total
and the screen is 2.75" diagonal, over 2" wide, over 1.5" tall. I got it 2
years ago for $320, so I'm asking $160 obo.
* VHF and UHF switch for channels 2 through 69.
* slot for Audio/Video in from VCR (appropriate cord provided)
* slot for phones
* slot for A/C adaptor (A/C adaptor also provided)
* slot for external Antenna (internal antenna provided)
* On/Off switch
* Manual Tuning, Volume, Brightness and Hue
* Battery run as well (4 AA batteries provided)
It's been used very little. Looks like new. Email if interested.
-dave
From: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Subject: White Toyota Camry LE 1988 MUST SELL
Reply-To: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Organization: E 4th St Home For The Overeducated Underemployed - New Jersey Div.
Lines: 10
MUST SELL:
1988 Toyota Camry LE -- Car has AC, PS, PB, Sunroof, AM/FM
Cassette radio, Cruise control, etc. 61000 miles.
White with red interior.
Car is in excellent condition.  It is located in the Paramus, NJ area.
$7900 or best offer.
If interested please call 201-666-9207
From: whirley@sage.cc.purdue.edu (whirley)
Subject: Oakleys' for sale; items wanted
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Distribution: usa
Lines: 19
Heya all, I've got a pair of Oakley forsale
There are frogskins, with aurborn red. THere are no
scratches and only used them once or twice last summer.
I'm looking for about 25-30 dollars but please give me a bid.
I'm am looking for the following items
A BUBBLE JET PRINTER that works and is el cheapo...
i was looking for a cannon BJ-5 but if u have a bubble jet
to sell please tell me. I'm looking to spend about $100 or so.
A sound cards (sound blaster compatible). Again I'm looking fer something
cheap, such as $50 or so dollars.
thanks
whirley
Address "whirley@sage.cc.purdue.edu"
From: aharris@athena.cs.uga.edu (Austin Harris)
Subject: BC200XLT Handheld Radio Scanner
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Distribution: usa
Lines: 12
Hello,
I have a BC200XLT handheld radio scanner which recieves police, fire,
ambulance, aircraft, cordless and cellular phone, etc.  The unit is in
original condition and comes with the manual, the power supply and
battery charger.  Price is $200 plus s/h.
Austin Harris
aharris@athena.cs.uga.edu
From: richg@sequent.com (Richard Garrett)
Subject: Wanted original Shanghai for PC
Article-I.D.: sequent.1993Apr21.153350.28573
Distribution: na
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Lines: 11
Nntp-Posting-Host: crg8.sequent.com
I am looking for shanghai, solitaire game with mahjongg tiles
for PC's.  if you have a copy laying around, send email to:
richg@sequent.com
thanks,
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From: his3rrb@cabell.vcu.edu (Robert R. Bower)
Subject: Re: VHS movie for sale
Organization: Virginia Commonwealth University
Expires: Sat, 15 May 1993 04:00:00 GMT
Lines: 19
Didn't McDonald's sell copies of "Dances with Wovies" for $7 not too
long ago?
They were also selling "Babes in Toyland" (the SCOTT BAIO version!)
and something even more forgettable.
Just think:  video drive-thru........
"I'll take a McRib, a McChicken, and a copy of Debbie Does McDallas
to go"
"Do you want fries and napkins with that?"
--Bob  (his3rrb@caball.vcu.edu)
"After this post, I'm really going to start studying.......really..."
From: formula@athena.mit.edu (Ronald R. Duff Jr.)
Subject: New 3M (and used) 8" floppy disks for sale
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Lines: 39
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: vongole.mit.edu
I have some brand-new shrinkwrapped boxes of 8" floppy disks that I
would like to sell.  They are all 3M disks:
40 (4 boxes of 10) SS/SD 8" floppy disks
60 (6 boxes of 10) DS/DD, W/WP 8" floppy disks
Misco is selling the SS/SD 3M disks for 25.90 for a box of ten and they are
selling the DS/DD 3M disks for 31.90 for a box of ten.  I will take the
best offer I can get for the disks (as many boxes as you want).
I also have a quantity of 8" floppy disks that
some people were getting rid of, probably due to an upgrade to a newer drive
system.  All the disks are used and most have labels on them, but they all
appear to be in good physical shape.  However, I make no guarantees of the
quality of these disks.  Here are the statistics:
Quantity	Make	Type
10		3M	Single side/Double density,soft sector,128 bytes/record
66		Memorex Single side/Double density,soft sector,128 bytes/record
I will accept the best offer I receive for the disks and I'm willing to sell
them off in different amounts, the minimum being a box of ten (if I get no
offers on these disks I would considering throwing them in with the new
disks I'm selling above).
I also have a head-cleaning kit for 8" disk drives for which I will take
the best offer I can get.
All sales are final.
I would prefer to ship COD and add the shipping costs onto the total order
cost.
Please send E-mail to formula@athena.mit.edu if interested.
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Address: Ronald R. Duff Jr.         Phone: (508)842-2293 (Home)
29 Lamplighter Drive              (617)253-1652 (Work)(MIT room 6-332)
Shrewsbury, MA 01545    Internet: formula@athena.mit.edu
From: ongh@iastate.edu (Calvin N Hobbes)
Subject: Wanted: One way flight from Des Moines to Chicago
Summary: Ticket needed on 28th of May
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Lines: 5
Hi I need a one way flight ticket from Des Moines to Chicago
on the 28th of May 1993.
please send your replies to jasonlim@iastate.edu or to this account
as soon as possible
thank you
From: foxfire@access.digex.com (foxfire)
Subject: Car Audio [Forsale]
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Lines: 19
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net
Car Audio Products for Sale...
Kicker (Stillwater Designs) - SS10x2: 2 10" Kickers in a sealed box. The box
is manufactured direct from Kicker. (Instructions).
*******Asking $175 + Shipping
Kicker (Stillwater Designs) - 2 Kicker 12" Subwoofers. (Instructions).
*******Asking $175 + Shipping (Sold as a pair only!)
Kenwood KAC923 Amp - 220 Watts X 2. 2 ohm stable (Box & Instruction Included).
*******Asking $375 + Shipping
Im selling the above item for a friend without Internet access... You can
either E-Mail me or call him (Mike Metalios) at (410)665-5773.
Foxfire
From: foxfire@access.digex.com (foxfire)
Subject: Car AMP [Forsale]
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Lines: 45
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net
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=Car Audio System Items:=
=========================
Sony XR-7070 Head Unit (Radio): Pullout
==============================
20 W x 4 max. Dolby B. Controls all Sony CD Changers: disc/track
select; track/disc scan; repeat; shuffle play. Features auto reverse;
logic controls. 6AM/18FM presets; strong station memory; preset scan;
tuner monitor; seek/manual tuning; mono/stereo and local/dx switches.
Metal tape compatible. Fader.......Orig $299
Sony CDX-A15 10 Disc CD Changer:
===============================
4x oversampling, dual D/A converters with single clock design. Features
one-beam laser; spring and silicon-charged suspension system; horizontal
or vertical mounting; 13-pin DIN connector; 10-disc magazine; connecting
cable. 5-20,000 Hz; 0.05% THD.......Orig $399
**** ASKING **** $450 for Both the Radio (CD Controller) and the CD Changer.
There are no problems with either unit and they are both in reasonably good
condition. (The Radio and CD Changers will only be sold TOGETHER.).
TWO (2) Coustic Amp-360:
========================
3 Channels; bridgeable. 30w x 2 + 105w X 1 into 4 ohms from 20-20,000 Hz
with 0.09% Thd. 1 Channel - 150w x 1 into 4 ohms from 20-20,000 Hz with
0.2% Thd or 2 Channels - 65w x 2 into 4 ohms from 20-20,000 Hz with 0.09%
Thd. 2 ohm stable. Features pwm switching power supply w/ protection
circuits.......Orig $249
**** ASKING **** $150/each. The units are in good working condition and
are currently being used to supply power to my subs (Can demonstrate
power ratings!!).
If you are interested in any of the above items, or have any questions
drop me some E-Mail.
foxfire@access.digex.com
From: jlz@sonata.cc.purdue.edu (Jian Zhen)
Subject: computer stuff for sale
Organization: Purdue University
Lines: 93
COMPUTER HARDWARE
( all are working fine last time checked )
Tandy 360k external floppy drive with cable (hardly used)
..................... $70
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SOFTWARE
( all software include original manual  )
( some even with registeration card.    )
Per$onal Financial Accountant
- financial statements
- balance sheet
- income & expense
- etc ...                   ......................... $8
Ainsworth Keyboard Trainer (typing teacher) ............. $8
Easy Working Tri-Pack (includes following ... )
- Filer -- database to store all kinds of information
- Planner -- Spreadsheet
- Writer -- an easy to use word processor
- great for simple calculations, work processing..etc.
.................. $8
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BOOKS
Inside the Norton Utilities, Revised and Expanded
- by Brady Books
- authored by Rob Krumm
- Introduction by Peter Norton, maker of Norton utilities
- Includes detachable Quick Reference Card to Norton utilities
- shows you how to get the most from
* The Norton Utilities - Standard Edition
* The Norton Utilities - Advanced Edition
* Norton Commander (1.0 - 3.0)
* Norton Editor
* Norton Disk Doctor
* Plus the Peter Norton On-Line Guides
- "The only book that does full justice to the power and
variety of all the Norton Utility software" - Peter Norton
- Price originally was $24.95
asking .................................. $14.95
Turbo Pascal Express revised (one disk)
- 250+ ready-to-run assembly language routines that make
turbo pascal faster, more powerful, and easier to use
- equipment determination routines and access to expanded memory
- extensive keyboard and mouse input functions
- extremely fast video facilities, including text-graphics
routines for fancy menus and windows
- routines for bit operations and data compression
- routines for elaborate printer control, formatting, and
error recovery
- powerful routines for searching directory trees and displaying
tree diagrams
- detailed information about writing other assembly routines for
assembly language programmers
- original price was $39.95
asking  ........................ $22.95
Hard Disk Power w/ The Jamsa Disk Utilities (two disks)
- complete guide to hard disk efficiency
- power techniques for maximum PC performance
- understand how your hard disk works - beneath the surface
- original price was $39.95
asking  ........................ $22.95
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* Prices does not include shipping
* Prices are negotiable
Please contact Jian at 1(317)495-3732 or
E-mail to JLZ@SONATA.CC.PURDUE.EDU (preferred)
if you are interested.
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| Jian Liang Zhen          | Lifeforms are extinct on other planets because |
| jlz@sonata.cc.purdue.edu | their science is more advanced than ours.      |
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Subject: USR 16.8k HST External Mo
From: herbert.wottle@cccbbs.UUCP (Herbert Wottle)
Reply-To: herbert.wottle@cccbbs.UUCP (Herbert Wottle)
Distribution: world
Organization: Cincinnati Computer Connection - Cincinnati, OH - 513-752-1055
Lines: 13
For Sale ---
U.S.Robotics 16.8k HST external modem, including power adapter,
Users Guide and Quick-Reference Card.
$515.00.
Call me voice at (513) 831-0162 -- let's talk about it.
Herb...
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. QMPro 1.02 42-0616 . Dogs come when you call.  Cats have answering machines.
From: rajaram@camilla.Eng.Sun.COM ()
Subject: * * * For Sale: Window Shades * * *
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
Lines: 14
Distribution: ba
Reply-To: rajaram@Eng.Sun.COM ()
NNTP-Posting-Host: camilla
Keywords: furnishings window shades
Originator: rajaram@camilla
Kirsch Pull down Window Shades
- White, Light Filtering
- 73.25" Wide, 72" High, can be cut to width
- Brand new, unopened
- "Best Quality", Vinyl Coated Cotton
- Mounting Brackets included
- $35	(Bought at $60 at J.C.Penney)
..............................................................................
rajaram@sun.com         (W) 415/336-5194        (H) 510/796-9932
From: LLARSEN@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: >>> porsche 928<<
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Lines: 6
posting for a friend
1982 porsche 928 new this vehicle was $74,000
today book list this vehicle between 11,500 to 15,000
perfect in every way with all options including new paint, leather interior,
sunroof and low miles
call (408) 264-4444 ask for frank and lets negotiate trades considered
From: rogess@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Knight)
Subject: 41M HD FORSALE OR TRADE
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Lines: 25
I have a 41M IDE HD forsale or trade.  I would like to trade it if possible.
HD
- 41M
- IDE Westren Digital
- No errors or bad sectors
- 13.8ms access time
- 855 kilobytes per second transfer rate
- working in my computer right now.
LOOKING FOR IN A TRADE MAYBE
- SEGA Genesis
- a pair of Sub Woffers
- Souround Sound Stereo/Reciever
- ANY KIND OF ELECTORNIC EQUIPMENT (IF YOU HAVE ELECTORINIC EQUIPMENT I LIKE
ALMOST ANY KIND OF COMPUTRER, CAR, OR HOME
EQUIPMENT, -- IF YOU WANT TO MAKE AN OFFER
ON A TRADE LET ME KNOW. --CD PLAYER ..ect)
Please if you are interested in a trade let me know.
email ------ rogess@sage.cc.purdue.edu
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From: kpeterso@nyx.cs.du.edu (Kirk Peterson)
Subject: Brand new H.P. toner for sale, cheap!
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Lines: 30
For Sale...:
**BRAND NEW** Hewlett Packard toner cartridge
model number HP 92295A.
o I am selling this toner because I recently
bought a Brother HL-10V printer and the
toner that I am selling.  I activated the
toner, but ended up returning the printer.
The store, however would not take back the
toner.  This toner has been used to print
only three pages and is in perfect condition.
I will protect it for shipment so that no
toner escapes.  It comes with all original
packaging and manuals.  The toner is compatible
with ANY laser printer that uses the model
number of the toner I am selling; just look in
your manual to see if it will work for you.
I will not go below $60.00.  I will pay the
shipping to anywhere in the continental
United States.
If you are interested, leave me email or call Kirk
Peterson at (303) 494-7951 anytime.
Thank you!
From: kpeterso@nyx.cs.du.edu (Kirk Peterson)
Subject: IBM software for sale, cheap!
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Lines: 76
For Sale...:
Three software packages for IBM PC and compatible computers:
o Wing Commander deluxe edition
o Includes Secret Missions 1 & 2
o Includes all original packaging, manuals
and disks
o Includes registration card (so you can
send it in and register it in your name)
o Original price for Wing Commander: $69.95
o Original price for Secret Missions I: $29.95
o Original price for Secret Missions II: $29.95
o Total original price: $129.85
o My asking price for all these of these
games TOGETHER is $65.00
o Wing Commander and the Secret Missions is a
battle and flight simulator set in space.  It
includes all the standard fun things about
flight simulators, like taking off and landing
on carriers, flying -- of course -- and better
yet, it is also a battle simulator.  It is a
lot of fun, indeed.
o An IBM PC or compatible with at least 640K, and
dual floppies or a hard drive is required.
o WinWay Resume for Windows
o Includes all original packaging, manuals
and disks
o Original price: $50.00
o My asking price: $35.00
o WinWay Resume is a resume writing program for
Windows.  It is an excellent program (it got
me a job!) and running under the Window's
interface makes it very, very easy to use.  All
you do is answer a few questions, and print out
the results.  In just a few minutes, you have a
beautifully and professionally designed resume.
o An IBM PC with Windows 3.0 or later installed
and 1 MB of free hard disk space is required.
o More Typefaces
o Includes all original packaging, manuals
and disks
o Original price: $99.99
o My asking price: $30.00
o More Typefaces is a package of three TypeType
font families (for a total of twelve fonts) for
Windows 3.1.  The fonts included are: Marque,
Crystal and Architech, and of course italic,
bold and bold italic versions are included with
all those fonts.  Because of the unique font
software included with the package, these fonts
can be used with either the MoreFonts typeface
program, Adobe Type Manager, TrueType, GeoWorks,
Express Publisher and CorelDRAW.
o An IBM PC with Windows 3.1 and a hard disk is
required if you want to use the typefaces in
TrueType format.  For all other formats, an
IBM PC and a hard disk with one of the programs
listed above is required.
If you are interested in any of these programs, please
either leave me email or call Kirk Peterson at (303) 494-7951,
anytime.  If I don't answer, leave me a message on my answering
machine and I'll call you back.  I will pay the shipping on all
of the programs to anywhere in the continental United States.
Thank you!
From: Jeff Wishnie <jwishnie@taligent.com>
Subject: Genesis carts forsale
X-Date: Wed, 21 Apr 93 12:53:47 GMT
Organization: Taligent, Inc.
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d3
Lines: 16
Posting for a friend: please call Steve, 415 252-1618, if interested.
SEGA Genesis games for sale.
In original boxes with original manuals.
Approximately 1 month old.
-- John Madden Football '93, Electronic Arts, $40.00 obo
-- Ecco The Dolphin, SEGA,, $40.00 obo
Again, I'm posting for a friend. If interested, call:
Steve
415 252-1618
From: lohia@apple.com (Raj Lohia)
Subject: 1.2GB DISK for SALE!!!
Distribution: usa
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA
Lines: 10
I have a 1.2GB full size  Seagate SCSI2 disk for sale.  Model No. is ST41200N
This is a brand new disk, never been used or formatted.
Send me your offer at lohia@bharat.aux.apple.com
-Raj
From: berger@c4west.eds.com (Damien Berger)
Subject: Saturn For Sale
Summary: 1992 Saturn SL2 5spd
Keywords: auto, saturn
Nntp-Posting-Host: molokai
Organization: EDS C4 West
Lines: 14
1992 Saturn SL2
5spd  23K miles
AC, cruise, ABS, Air Bag, Cassette, Anti Theft
Excellent
12,000/obo
Consider 85-88 4dr 5spd compact as part trade
Damien Berger
berger@ug.eds.com
From: rclar@ctp.com (Richard Clark)
Subject: 16' HobieCat Special
Organization: Cambridge Technology Partners
Distribution: us
Lines: 9
For Sale:
1982 - 16' Hobie Cat Special, very good condition with
trailer, catbox, righting system, many extras.  Boat
is currently garaged in Natick MA, 25 miles east of
Boston.
$1800.  Contact rclar@ctp.com or call (617) 374-8217.
From: hsieh1@carson.u.washington.edu (Darrell Kirk)
Subject: For Sale: Complete Communicator card for IBM-voicemail, modem, Fax
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Lines: 8
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu
Complete Communicator, latest vers.
New in box
Works in DOS or Windows
One card you get fax, voicemail and modem.  Auto switch, one line handles
all fax, voicemail and modem communications
$500 new
250 dollars, and you pay shipping
From: tpremo@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Cinnamon Bear)
Subject: Optonica tuner and Integrated amp forsale:
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Distribution: na
Lines: 29
I have an old Optonica tuner and integrated amp that I no longer
use.  The integrated amp section does not work right now but should
not cost much to fix.  I believe that it is just a Chip.  I have
used it as a preamp and it works great!
This is a very nice looking and well built set.  They both are low
profile but the amp is rather heavy.
The tuner is in fine working condition and is a match to the amp.
The amp is rated at 75w/ch.
These peices went for about $850 New.
I would like to get $150.  obo  for the pair.
If anybody has knowledge anough to fix the amp, I have had an estimate
done that it should cost less than $50 in parts.
Please email me if you are interested.  I will be moving back home for
the summer and will sell it back there if I do not do so here.
Todd
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/    __	 __   / __   /        %   Environmental Engineering
From: tpremo@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Cinnamon Bear)
Subject: Onkyo Integra series Integrated amp for sale:
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Distribution: na
Lines: 18
I have a Onkyo integrated amplifier that I am looking to get rid of.
60w/ch
works great
Integra series
not a problem
Asking $100 OBO
If your interested call me at 317-743-2656  or email this address.
MAKE ME AN OFFER!!!
Todd
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/              /      /      %   Purdue Universtiy
/    __	 __   / __   /        %   Environmental Engineering
From: bartmich@cwis.isu.edu (BARTA_MICHAEL_D.)
Subject: 1989 Honda Accord LX
Organization: Idaho State University, Pocatello
Lines: 16
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: cwis.isu.edu
************* 1989 HONDA ACCORD LX ***************
Light Brown, Four Door Power Windows, Power Brakes
Power Locks, Power Steering, Power Antenna
AM/FM Cassette, Totally Cloth Interior. VERY NICE!
70,000 miles but excellent condition!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Must Sell, quit my job to go back to school.
Blue book $9,200 in IDAHO
Asking only $8,000 OBO
email bartmich@cwis.isu.edu Phone 208-233-8039
Pocatello, Idaho
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:->  I.S.U.   Electronics Student  <-:       bartmich@cwis.isu.edu
From: mkbaird@david.wheaton.edu (marcus k baird)
Subject: CD-ROMS 4-Sale  (NEW)
Organization: Wheaton College, IL
Lines: 101
I'm looking to find some people interested in getting some cd-rom's. Below
is a list with their prices. If you are interested in any of these, send me
some mail and I can guarantee this price. If you are not local their will be
a shipping cost, and cod cost if you prefer it to be shipped that way.
Marcus
American Business Phonebook             DOS             $20.00
Animals                                 DOS             $30.00
Animals                                 MPC             $30.00
Audoban Birds                           DOS             $20.00
Audoban Mammals                         DOS             $20.00
Barney Bear Goes to School              DOS             $30.00
Bible Library                           DOS             $45.00
Bibles and Religion                     DOS             $15.00
Book of Lists                           DOS             $30.00
Britannicas Family Choice               DOS             $23.00
Britamrica Select                       DOS             $24.33
Business & Economics                    DOS             $30.00
Business Backgrounds                    DOS             $20.00
Business Master                         DOS             $20.00
Carmen San Diego lWhere is ...)         MPC             $30.00
CD PLay/Launch                          DOS             $25.00
CD ROM  Software Jukebox                DOS             $20.00
CIA Vorld Taur                          DOS             $35.00
Chess Master 3000 MPC                   DOS             $35.00
CLassic Col lection                     DOS             $60.00
CLipert Goliath 		        DOS             $15.00
Colossal Cookbook                       DOS             $15.00
DeLorme's Atlas USA                     WIN             $25.00
Desert Storm                            MPC             $35.00
Deathstar Arcade Battles                DOS             $15.00
Dictionaries & Language                 DOS             $15.00
Education Master                        DOS             $20.00
ELectronic Home Library                 DOS             $35.00
Family Doctor                           DOS             $30.00
Family Encyclopedia by Comptons         DOS             $49.00
Family Encyclopedia by Comptons         MPC             $49.00
Game Master                             DOS             $20.00
Game Pack II                            DOS             $25.00
Golden Immortal                         DOS             $25.00
Great Cities of the World               DOS             $25.00
Greet Cities of the World               MPC             $30.00
Great Cities of the World II            DOS             $25.00
Great Cities of the World II            MPC             $30.00
Groliers Encyclopedia                   DOS             $60.00
Groliers Encyclopedia                   MPC             $60.00
Guiness Disc 1992                       DOS             $15.67
Ham Radio		                DOS             $15.00
Information USA	                        DOS	        $35.00
Islands Designs		       	        DOS	        $20.00
Jets & Props                            DOS	        $25.00
Jones ... Fast Lane		        DOS/MPS	        $25.00
KGB/CIA  World Fact Book	        DOS	        $25.00
Kings  Quest  5:	                DOS/MPC         $25.00
Library of the  Future	                DOS	        $90.00
Loom			                DOS	        $35.00
MPC  Wizard		                MPC	        $15.00
MacMillan  Kids  Dictionary	        MPC             $55.00
Magazine  Rack		                DOS	        $25.00
Majestic  Places		        DOS	        $20.00
Mavis Beacon Teaches Typing             MPC	        $35.00
Mixed Up Mother Goose    	        DOS/MPC	        $25.00
Money,Money,Money,                      DOS	        $20.00
Monkey Island	                        DOS             $35.00
Oak CD Stand		                DOS	        $15.00
Our Solar System		        DOS	        $15.00
Presidents		                DOS	        $85.00
Publish It			        DOS	        $30.00
Reference  Library		        DOS	        $35.00
Secret  Weapons/Luftwaffe	        MPC	        $35.00
Shereware Games		                DOS	        $35.00
Shereware  Overload		        DOS	        $15.00
Sher Holmes/Consul Det	                MPC	        $35.00
Sleeping  Beauty		        DOS	        $20.00
Srd CD Software Bundle - 4 Titles       N/A	        $90.00
Stellar  7			        DOS/MPC	        $25.00
Story  Time - Interactive               DOS	        $25.00
The CD  ROM  Collection	                DOS	        $15.00
Time Magazine Almanac Current           DOS	        $35.00
Time Table of Hist/Sci/Innovation	DOS		$35.00
Tons & Gigs				DOS		$49.00
Too Many Typefonts			DOS		$15.00
Total  Baseball				DOS		$30.00
US  Atlas/w Automap			DOS		$35.00
US  History				DOS		$35.00
US/World  Atlas		                DOS/MPC	        $30.00
US Wars:Civil War			DOS		$25.00
Wild Places				DOS		$25.00
Wing Com/Ultima VI			DOS/MPC	        $35.00
World View				DOS		$25.00
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From: Rupin.Dang@dartmouth.edu (Rupin Dang)
Subject: Minolta FD 50 mm forsale
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
Lines: 4
Minolta FD 50 mm lens for sale. Good condition. Asking $30.
Rupin.Dang@dartmouth.edu
From: Rupin.Dang@dartmouth.edu (Rupin Dang)
Subject: Panasonic answering machine forsale
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
Lines: 3
Auto Logic Panasonic answering machine with dual cassette system. I will
include cassettes and AC power adaptor. Excellent condition. Asking $30 with
accessories.
From: plkg_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Paul K. Gloger)
Subject: Mostly non-computer items (Rochester area)
Nntp-Posting-Host: uhura.cc.rochester.edu
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York
Lines: 51
SWELL ITEMS FOR SALE - HARDLY ANY COMPUTER STUFF
o LOTUS 1-2-3 Student Edition for DOS ...................... $10.00
This does just about everything that standard 1-2-3
Release 2.01 could do, but not as much of it.  Worksheet
size is limited to 64 columns by 256 rows, there is no
translation facility (for importing data from other
packages), and the Student Edition does not write files
that can be accessed by Release 2.01.  Includes manual,
original distribution diskettes (5 1/4" - 360K), and key
board templates.
o Subaru Service Manuals ................................... $10.00
This is not a complete set, but includes sections 4, 5
& 6 which cover MECHANICAL COMPONENTS (suspension, wheels
& axles, steering, brakes, pedals & control cables, heater
& ventilator, air conditioning), BODY (body & exterior,
doors & windows, seats, seat belts, interior, instrument
panel), and ELECTRICAL (engine electrical system, body
electrical system, wiring diagram, and trouble-shooting).
These are the genuine Subaru issue manuals.  They are for
model year 1986, but have plenty of good information that
applies to other years as well.
o Miscellaneous Darkroom Equipment ........................ $75.00
Solar enlarger (several objective lenses) with easel and
timer, negative carriers for 35mm and 2 1/4 x 3 1/4, misc.
printing masks.  Developing tanks, thermometer, trays,
constant-temperature bath, ground glass, mirrors, darkroom
lamps, glassware, el-cheap-o tripods..... and (as they say)
MUCH   MORE!
o Beautiful Antique Buffet ............................... $1500.00
Solid cherry (no veneer).  Handmade, with very interesting
dovetail corners in the drawers.  Built (we think) around
1880.  Not gaudy or covered with gew-gaws; a simple, elegant
piece of furniture, but too big (60" long, 37" tall, 24"
deep) for our little Cape Cod house.
Will deliver pricier items (ie, over $10) anywhere in the Rochester
area.  (And will consider delivering the others.)  Will deliver any
of it on (or near) UofR Campus between now and graduation.
Call or E-Mail:   Paul or Mary
(716) 359-2350  (Just south of Rochester, NY)
plkg_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu
From: mkao@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Michelle Kao)
Subject: 4 4MB simms for sale(30 pin, 80ns, for Mac)
Organization: Purdue University
Lines: 2
$400included shipping
From: goldberg@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Mark Goldberg)
Subject: Camera bags for sale
Reply-To: goldberg@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Mark Goldberg)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Naval Surface Warfare Center, Annapolis, MD
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1. Large padded Cordura bag (maker unknown) nge exterior, black
straps and interior.  Five outside pocket plus lid compartment.
Lid overlaps.  Internal dividers can be repositioned.  Held
my whole 2-1/4 Bronica system, Metz flash, etc. $50.
2. Small "Nikon" shoulder bag. SORRY.  SOLD & SHIPPE.
3. Small "Nikon" belt pouch.  Khaki like #2.  Similar in design
Army ammo pouch - belt clips, etc.  Holds flash or small
zoom, lens cleaner, etc.  $5.
4. Domke belt pouch, black.  Also has metal loops of you want to
attach strap.  Velcro closure.  Similar to #3 in concept, but
bigger.  Holds 35-135 zoom or flash, small accessories, etc.
Hardly used; cost me $20 originally - will sell for $15.
5. Coast camera bag - tan with brown strap.  Main and front pocket.
Can hold AF slr with small zoom plus flash, film, etc.  Matl
looks like Gore-Tex but I don't think it really is. $15.
TERMS:  Payment in advance by money order/bank check, or cash.  Buyer
pays shipping.  #1 must go UPS.  For the others, send me an adequate
self addressed mailing envelope (padded recommended) with enough postage.
/|/| /||)|/  /~ /\| |\|)[~|)/~   |   Everyone's entitled to MY opinion.
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========Imagination is more important than knowledge. - Albert Einstein=======
/|/| /||)|/  /~ /\| |\|)[~|)/~   |   Everyone's entitled to MY opinion.
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========Imagination is more important than knowledge. - Albert Einstein=======
From: David Ruggiero <osiris@halcyon.com>
Subject: <very> Bare 386/25 Micronics system - $495
Originator: osiris@halcyon.com
Reply-To: osiris@halcyon.halcyon.com (David Ruggiero)
Organization: [none - why fight entropy?]
Distribution: na
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"Bare" means what it says. You get a case, a power supply, and a motherboard
(with RAM and a coprocessor). *Everything* else is yours to add as you like.
The case/power supply:
- Standard desktop case. 230watt power supply with the usual connectors.
- Room for five floppy/hard drives (three visible, two internal).
The motherboard:
- US-made Micronics 8-slot motherboard with Intel 386dx/25mhz CPU
- 64kb SRAM cache
- 4mb 80us RAM using 4x1mb simms (worth $150 alone)
- Cyrix 83D87 math coprocessor (worth $90 alone)
- Norton SI 6.0 rating of 26.1
- Latest version Phoenix BIOS
Please do not post/email saying "but I can get a Taiwanese SuperClone
386/90 for only $9.95 including a free toaster!". I am *certain* you can
find a cheaper Brand X board without even breaking a sweat. *New* Micronics
CPUs command a several-hundred dollar premium because they are US-made,
use high-quality components, and are known to be both very reliable and
compatible. They have been OEMed in systems sold by both Gateway and
Zeos at various points in the past. (Check out the ads in the back pages
of Byte or PC Magazine if you want to see this price differential for
yourself.)
Price: $495 complete, $100 less if you don't want/need the case and
power supply. The board is fully guaranteed. Email for further details
or for any questions.
Thanks!
--
David Ruggiero  (jdavid@halcyon.com)       Seattle, WA: Home of the Moss People
From: tligman@bgsu.edu (Simurgh)
Subject: Nintendo games forsale (and a dead nintendo)
Organization: Bowling Green State Univ.
Lines: 27
Forsale:
Nintendo control Deck with two controllers and gun, one controller has
grips attached.
the NES will only connect to a composite monitor or TV with audio and
video RCA Input jacks and needs some repairs.
25$ or best offer
games for sale
15$  Tecmo Baseball
15$  Techmo Bowl
15$  Double Dribble
15$  Wayne Gretzky Hockey
15$  Golf
10$  Super Mario/Duck Hunt
10$  Toobin'
10$  Spelunker
25$  Tecmo Super Bowl
============
130$ total, I'll give all of them to you for 100$ or best offer and throw
in the control deck...
I'll also accept the best offer for each of the games
the oldest of these is two years old, most of them are less than a year old.
--
-Tom
<<<>>>Warning, signature under construction, ENTER at your own RISC<<<>>>
From: TTR2+@PITT.EDU (Tod Treganowan)
Subject: For Sale: UREI 527A 27-band Equalizer
Organization: Pitt
Lines: 15
I have a UREI 527A 27-band (mono) Equilizer for sale.  Anyone who knows
this unit knows it's been a recording studio standard for years.  It's a
pretty straightforward unit, with balanced ins and outs.  Power supply caps
were recently replaced, and I added XLR connectors (which can be easily
removed if you prefer, as I mounted them on a bracket outside the case).
The unit is in good shape, and is sonically very clean.
I'm asking $225 + UPS shipping.  They're going for $250 generally.  Make me
an offer.
Tod Treganowan
Computing and Information Services
University of Pittsburgh
(412) 624-6115 @work, 371-0154 @home
From: dabennet@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David W Bennett)
Subject: looking(music for macintosh)
Nntp-Posting-Host: bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Lines: 8
I'm trying to set up a personal studio.
What I'm looking for are a cheap sampler(rack or with keyboard)
or a cheap sound card (AudioMedia I or II or something similar).
Cheap is of course relative.
From: ehud@eng.umd.edu (Ehud Oentung)
Subject: MFM Controller Wanted
Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park
Lines: 9
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: pepsi.eng.umd.edu
I have a friend who is looking to buy MFM controller.
If you have one for sale, would you please contact me through
email...
Thanx.
Ehud.
ehud@eng.umd.edu
eoentung@cbis.com
Subject: CD's For Sale
From: mparikh@uceng.uc.edu (Mehul Parikh)
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Lines: 19
Hi!
I have the following 2 CD's for sale. These are absolutely new and in
the original packing.
Artist		Album				Original	Sale
Price		 Price
Madonna		The Immaculate Collection 	$19.95+		$11.95
Pet Shop Boys	Discography			$19.95		$11.95
If you are interested, pls. contact me at:
parikhma@ucunix.san.uc.edu
Thanks.
-M. Parikh
From: sunbum@cory.Berkeley.EDU (.....)
Subject: Stealth VRAM
Nntp-Posting-Host: cory.berkeley.edu
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Lines: 13
sale item: A brand new Stealth VRAM Hi-Color card w/ 1meg display
price    : $135
It comes with:  install disk
Turbo windows 3.x drivers /w 24bit color
Halo Desktop Imager (24bit) for windows 3.x
Advanced AutoCAD accelerator (includes Big Picture)
a complete manual
If interested, please e-mail  sunbum@cory.berkeley.edu
thanks
From: rtsbangi@msuvx1.memst.edu
Subject: ********cd for sale********
Distribution: world
Organization: Memphis State University
Lines: 11
cd's for sale:
1. jon bon jovi - new jersey      $8.00
2. boomerang    - soundtrack      $8.00
3. the police   - every breath you take  $8.00
*/ $1.00 s/h
e_mail rtsbangi@memstvx1.memst.edu
From: davidk@netcom.com (David Kiviat)
Subject: 88 Toyota Camry super deluxe $9.9k
Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Lines: 15
88 toyota Camry - Top Of The Line Vehicle
blue book $10,500
asking 9,900.
73 k miles
auto transmission
Has Everything!
owned by a meticulous automoble mechanic
call (408) 425-8203 ask for Bob.
posted for a friend.
From: lgibb@nyx.cs.du.edu (Lance Gibb)
Subject: RC Car for trade
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: na
Lines: 30
Title just 'bout says it all:
Grasshopper Remote Controlled Car for Sale/Trade
Features:
-$75 racing engine installed (original included as well)
-2 sets of tires
-Futaba 2 channel radio with servos/receiver
-body completly refinished - great shape
-Battery and charger
-every thing you need to have it running right out of the box,
VERY fast
-everything 100%
I haven't run this thing in a long time.  I had it out the other
day just to check on it and everything is A-OK.
I'd listen to ANY cash offers, but am more interested in trading
for some extra storage for my computer.  If you have any of the
following and are interested in a trade, drop me a line:
IDE hard drive 50+ megs (MUST be 3.5" wide, 1" tall)
SCSI hard drive 50+ megs (MUST be 3.5" wide, 1" tall)
SCSI tape backup (any make/size)
SCSI CD-ROM
9600 baud modem (external)
Please leave any offers/questions in Email to lgibb@nyx.cs.du.edu
From: lgibb@nyx.cs.du.edu (Lance Gibb)
Subject: WANTED: Xapshot digital camera
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: na
Lines: 13
WANTED:
Cannon's Xapshot digital camera.  I'd be interested in any other
makes, but the Xapshot is the only one I'm familiar with.
I need one with a composite output and approx. 50 pictures per
disk capability.
If you have one for sale, or if you know of a cheap place to order one,
please leave me Email at lgibb@nyx.cs.du.edu
Thanks
From: alin@nyx.cs.du.edu (ailin lin)
Subject: VGA card/1 meg wanted
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Lines: 7
it must have 1 meg memory and support res. 1024x768 (even higher will be better)if it has 9 & 15 pin ports and also supports ega/cga , that's better.
I will pay $30 + $1 (shipping) for it.
let me knoe if u have one like this.
ailin
803-654-8817
From: trey@godzilla.larc.nasa.gov (Trey Arthur)
Subject: Re: >>> Bally's/Holiday Health Club \\\ LIFETIME  MEMERSHIP ///
Organization: CSC - NASA Langley Research Center
Lines: 19
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: godzilla.larc.nasa.gov
In article <1r3v9j$t6f@access.digex.net>, jb@access.digex.com (jb) writes:
|> In article <C5J5K1.w0@visgraph.uucp> forrie@visgraph.uucp (Forrest Aldrich) writes:
|> >
|> >For sale:  Life Time membership to the Ballys'/Holiday Fitness club.  The
|> >original fee paid for this was over 1,000, and I'll sell it for 600.  The
|> >membership is fully transferrable via proper paperwork.
|> >
|> Does is include raquetball?  Is it good at Espree?  What is the annual fee?
Since it is a Life Time membership, you won't have to worry about it
until your next life.
--
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*  Trey Arthur                   CSC at NASA Langley          *
*  Aerospace Engineer            MS 157D, Hampton, VA 23666   *
*  j.j.arthur@larc.nasa.gov      (804) 865-1725               *
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From: Rupin.Dang@dartmouth.edu (Rupin Dang)
Subject: NIKKOR 70-210 AF forsale
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
Lines: 4
Nikkor AF 70-210 f/4-5.6 zoom lens. Excellent condition. I'm looking to get the
2.8 version so I'm selling this.
Asking $175 No offers please.
From: Rupin.Dang@dartmouth.edu (Rupin Dang)
Subject: Re: Nikon FM2 and lens forsale
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
Lines: 8
FM-2 has been sold.
Following remains:
* Minolta MD 50 mm lens. $25.
* Ricoh camera with zoom lens. (Identical features as Nikon FE, plus some
more). Great condition. Inquire about low price.
* S-VHS tapes. Brand new. Fuji high quality. Inquire.
From: der@anomaly.sbs.com (Admiral David E. Ryan)
Subject: 144mhz/440mhz amps, 2mtr HT for sale
Organization: Small Business Systems, Incorporated, Smithfield, RI 02917
Lines: 18
I have the following equipment for sale:
1. Kenwood TH-28A 2mtr HT			$250.00
2. RF Concepts 2mtr Amp (45in->170out)		$275.00
3. Hamtronics Class C Continuous Duty
440mhz 10watt-in ~40watt-out amp	$250.00
All prices include shipping/insurance.
For additional information, contact me at the address below.
Dave
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| Admiral David E. Ryan        	     |
| der@anomaly.sbs.com                |
| ...!uunet!rayssd!anomaly!der       |
From: nhuang@cs.ulowell.edu (Bill Huang)
Subject: Sega Genesis For Sale/Trade => Game Gear
Organization: ZEN Self Constraint Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Lines: 16
Sega Control Panel
Super Manaco GP II Catrridge
One Regular Controller
One Turbo Controller
A/C Adapter
A/V Cable
Stereo Cable
Carrying Bag
I would like $90 plus shipping OR trade with Game Gear and game.
Please e-mail if you feel interested, thank you!
-- Bill
From: er1@eridan.chuvashia.su (Yarabayeva Albina Nikolayevna)
Subject: FOR SALE:high-guality conifer oil from Russia,$450/ton,400 ton
Reply-To: er1@eridan.chuvashia.su
Distribution: eunet
Organization: Firm ERIDAN
Lines: 1
Inguiry by address:er1@eridan.chuvashia.su
From: er1@eridan.chuvashia.su (Yarabayeva Albina Nikolayevna)
Subject: FOR SALE:high-guality conifer oil from Russia,$450/ton;400 ton
Reply-To: er1@eridan.chuvashia.su
Distribution: eunet
Organization: Firm ERIDAN
Lines: 1
Inguiry by address:er1@eridan.chuvashia.su
From: mallen@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Matt Allen)
Subject: Amiga's for sale
Keywords: Amiga
Distribution: pa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania
Lines: 20
Nntp-Posting-Host: eniac.seas.upenn.edu
For Sale:
2 Amigas!
Commodore Amiga 1000	Best offer
512k Ram
1 Internal Floppy drive
Detachable Keyboard
2 Button Mouse
Commodore Amiga 500	Best offer
1024k Ram
1 Internal Floppy drive
2 Button Mouse
1 RGB Monitor		Best offer
1 External Floppy drive	Best offer
Call Brian Dickman at (717)872-1719 or send e-mail to dickman_con@huey.
millersv.edu.
From: bbates@pro-freedom.van.wa.us (Brandon Bates)
Subject: WANTED: Video equipment (repost)
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1993Apr21.155915.10932
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)
Lines: 11
I am looking for a working docking deck (deck that goes on back of
camera) for an old JVC GX-S700 Tube video camera.  Any format is
acceptable.  Please send me a message if you even know anything about decks
for the GX-S700.  Also interested in any video equipment for sale,
professional or consumer.  Thank you.
----
bbates@pro-freedom.van.wa.us   -==-   Pro-Freedom BBS - (206) 694-3276
==============================================================
From: pk@wet.UUCP (Philip King)
Subject: PC, NETWORK and OFFICE EQUIPMENT - LONG (Repost, Lower Prices!)
Keywords: PC,LAN,Novell,ethernet,IBM,laser,copier
Distribution: na
Organization: Wetware Diversions, San Francisco
Lines: 161
NEW POSTING, LOWER PRICES!!  MAKE OFFERS ON ANYTHING THAT SEEMS INTERESTING!!
A company I'm associated with is closing out some inventory and office
equipment.  Here's what's available:
Quan.          Item                     Description               Price ea.
******* NEW ADDITIONS!! ********
1             NOVELL              * 100 USER * version of         BEST OFFER
NETWARE 2.15        ADVANCED NETWARE 286, with
TTS, SFT II         System Fault Tolerance level    (Remember
II (Disk Duplexing, Mirroring),  v2.2 sells
Transaction Tracking (Fault      for $3000
Tolerant File System), etc.      for 100
Just the manuals alone take      users!
up a foot and a half of shelf
space!
1             HAYES LANSTEP       HAYES Peer-to-Peer LAN            $40
Starter Package     OPERATING SYSTEM and email.
NetBIOS compatible, expands
up to 128 users. UNOPENED.
1             Canon NP1010        Great little COPY MACHINE -       $200
makes great copies (just needs
toner)  Reduce, Enlarge, etc.
Very Good Condition, a bargain!
(End of new items)
2       Bytex RingOut             Token Ring Cable and MAU     (Was $750)
testing and certification
tool.  This is the standard  NOW: $625
HANDHELD TESTING UNIT used
by large companies such as
Coca Cola and American Express
to certify their physical layer.
Current retail price: $1495.
These are demo or NEW.
1       Microtest Lanmodem        Excellent MODEM SERVER for Novell (Was
Networks.  Supports "Remote LAN    $900)
Node" indial, modem pooling, and
LAN to LAN asynchronous routing.   NOW:
Ethernet version.  Current retail  $750
price: $2000
13      Microtest Lanport         Standalone ETHERNET PRINT    WAS: $200
AUI --> COM1              SERVER for Novell Networks
(The Intel NetportII is      NOW: $150 ea.
based on this.  Original
retail: $595)  Most of
these are BRAND NEW.
12      Microtest Lanport         See above                           "
BNC --> COM1
11      Microtest Lanport         See above                           "
BNC --> COM1, COM2
3       Microtest Lanport         See above                           "
AUI --> COM1, COM2
4       Microtest Lanport         See above                           "
AUI --> LPT1
1       Microtest Lanport         See above                           "
BNC --> LPT1
2       Token Ring MAU            8-port IBM 8228 clone             $100
5       Milan MIL-03P             AUI to 10BaseT Mini TRANSCEIVER (WAS: $50)
NOW: $40
1       QMS SmartWriter 8/3X      HP LaserJet PLUS Compatible    (WAS $400)
LASER PRINTER.  8 ppm, 300 dpi.
Based on the Canon Engine, it   NOW: $325
has serial and IBM TWINAX ports.
Emulates HP, Epson FX, IBM
Proprinter, Diablo, and Qume.
Downloads HP fonts.  Reliable!
2       IBM Quietwriter 2         Quiet, letter-quality PRINTER.    $100
1 sheet at a time feed.  Have
extra ribbon cartridges.
1       IBM Tractor Feed          For the Quietwriter above.        $25
3       IBM PC/XT Compatible      Misc PC/XT compatible COMPUTERS,  (WAS:
some are "PCs Limited" (original  $150)
DELL Computer Co.), some are
"Tech PC/XT".  These come with    NOW:
at least a 20 MB hard disk, a     $125
360 KB floppy, monochrome video
card, keyboard, and 640 kb of
memory.
3       IBM PC/AT or Compatible   Some of these are original IBM (WAS: $200-
AT's, some are TURBO clones.         $250)
Clone brands include Tandon,
Acer, and Everex.  Standard     NOW: $175-
equipment is the same as above,      $200
except most have 30-40 MB hard
drives, and 1 1.2 MB floppy.
4       Amber Monitor for PC      IBM Compatible Monochrome TTL     $20
type, brands vary, including
Samsung, Magnavox, and ADI.
(Mostly want to stay local on
these - too hard to ship)
2       IBM 5151 Green Monitor    Ubiquitous IBM PC Display,        $20
Monochrome TTL type.
(Local - see above)
1       Zenith ZFL181-92          LAPTOP PC. Full-Size and Full-  (WAS $300)
Travel keyboard, XT compatible,
Backlit Supertwist (?) Display,  NOW: $250
Dual 720k floppies.
1       Accton EtherCoax-8W       8-bit, BNC ETHERNET INTERFACE   (WAS: $60)
card for PC compatibles.  This
unit is nicely made (mostly      NOW: $45
(Also have 1 used, BO)    surface mount) clone of the
ubiquitous Western Digital
WD-8003E.  NEW in box with disk.
6       Western Digital WD8003E   The "real McCoy" version of the   $50
above.  Drivers are available
for just about anything.  Used.
Surprising performance for an 8
bit card.  No DMA hassles.
1       Hedaka 2400 Modem         Internal, for PC Compatibles.  (WAS: $35)
In box, almost new, works fine.
NOW: $25
1       Hayes 1200B Internal      Internal 1200 real HAYES modem    $15
for PC compatibles.  Untested.
Terms on the above are C.O.D., shipping extra.  As usual, offers are welcome,
but I think most of these prices are more than fair.  Most of this equipment
is tested and working perfectly, unless otherwise noted.
Please contact me via email as follows:
pk@wet.com  {netcom,hoptoad}!wet!pk
Thanks!
From: pchang@ic.sunysb.edu (Pong Chang)
Subject: FOR SALE: C-128 system w/Printer : $130 OBO
Nntp-Posting-Host: libws4.ic.sunysb.edu
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
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commodore 128
epson homewriter 10  9 pin printer
1571 d/s disk drive
2 joysticks
1 mouse
lotsa software, both games and apps.
rapid fire joystick adapter
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about a year old
$130 OBO
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C_ommon  	pchang@ic.sunysb.edu
S_ense		State University of New York @ Stony Brook
E_ngineer
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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center
From: Noel B. Lorenzana <U38134@uicvm.uic.edu>
Subject: Marvel comics for sale! (mostly cover price)
Lines: 43
Comics for sale. All are Marvel and the majority
of the comics are cover price. Buyer pays shipping.
Shipping costs will vary with the quantity you
buy. All reasonable offers will be considered.
Punisher W.J.     9,10,13,14,15,16,17,
20-28,31-40,43        $1.75 each
Punisher          34,42,43,49,51-54,    $1.50 each
(regular series)  56-62
X-factor          #1               $4.00
2-4              3.00
37,48,41,45,50,  1.75
63               4.00
65,66            3.00
69-75            1.50
Annual #7        2.25
Silver Surfer     4,22,23,29,30,41,
50(1st, 3rd print)
51-62                 $1.50 each
X-force           1-6         $1.50
7-17         1.25
Ghost Rider       #5          $8.00
7           4.00
8,11        3.00
13-34      $2.00 each
New Mutants       2,7,9,14,15-19,26,48,
50,58,63,87(2nd),100  $2.00 each
Marvel Comics     89,91,92,95,96,
Presents          99,100                $1.50 each
Here you have it. Please send replies to
U38134@UICVM.UIC.EDU (Noel Lorenzana)
Thanks.
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center
From: Noel B. Lorenzana <U38134@uicvm.uic.edu>
Subject: More comics for sale!
Lines: 48
Miscellaneous comics for sale. I really would like
to get rid of these for lack of space. Buyer pays
shipping, and all offers considered. OH, and the
first purchase over $20 in any of my posts
gets a free Maxx #1/2 coupon, or a trashed copy
of Amazing spidey #300. Here goes...
Deathlok         #1           $3.00
2-17         $1.75 each
Annual #1     2.50
Special #1    2.00
Sleepwalker      1,2,6,8,9,13  7.00 (set) or 1.25
each
Next Men         #1           $3.00
Ray              #1            1.00
Deathstroke      5,6           1.75 each
Darkhawk         13            1.25
New warrior's    18            1.00
Fantasti Four    358           2.50
Moon Knight      35,36         1.75 each
Hulk             386-388       1.50 each
Punisher W.Z.    1             2.50
Cage             1             1.50
X-force          1             2.00
Silver Sable     1             2.00
X-calibur        26,27,48,49   1.50 each
Hearts of Darkness             5.00
Infinity Guantlet     1-4      2.50 each
Batman v. Pred.       1,3      2.00 each
"   "  "  (deluxe)   1        5.00
Guardians of the
Galaxy                1       3.00
Spider-man 2099       1-3     5.00 (set)
Spec. spider-man      189     3.00 (special hologram)
Let me know if you'd like to buy anything. My
address is U38134@uicvm.uic.edu
Thanks,
Noel Lorenzana
From: rebop@well.sf.ca.us (Bob Ulius)
Subject: Newtek Video Toaster Link For Sale
Keywords: Newtek Video Toaster Amiga Mac
Organization: The Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link, Sausalito, CA
Lines: 16
Nntp-Posting-Host: well.sf.ca.us
I have a bout a dozen Newtek Video Toaster Links available. These connect
Macs and the Video Toaster.  List is $595,  street price likely to be $495.
I can sell them off for $425 including shipping anywhere.. Factory
shrinkwrapped. Plus tax if in California. E-mail rebop or call 916 924-9911
M-F 8-5 if you would like further info.
All Toaster and Toaster accessories and system components are available as
well.
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From: berger@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (David Berger)
Subject: 101 Keyboard wanted.
Organization: Brandeis University
Lines: 7
I'm looking to buy a 100% working keyboard for a 286 system (preferably
a 101 layout.)  I'm looking to spend about $20.
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David
From: jay@gdx.UUCP (Jay Snyder)
Subject: WANTED: avionics equip.
Organization: GDX-BBS,Central Pa Unix BBS/anon uucp (717)737-3249 PEP+/2400/1200 24hrs
Lines: 21
I'm looking for good deals on the following (used or new):
Aviation Headsets (with mic).
Handheld Nav/Com tranciever (may consider COM only).
Portable GPS or Loran Navigator.
Reply here or call:
(717)737-3236 (only after 5pm -- please don't wake the night worker
in my house).
(717)540-2895 if you must call during the day (I can understand if you
want your employer to pay for the call).
_______________________________________________________________________________
Jay A. Snyder               jay@gdx         ...{uunet,vogon1}!compnect!gdx!jay
This is your Brain: (unix)              GDX-BBS (717) 737-3249 WorldBlazer
This is your Brain on drugs: (MSDOS)    Unix and MSDOS File areas + Xenix bins
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Jay A. Snyder               jay@gdx         ...{uunet,vogon1}!compnect!gdx!jay
This is your Brain: (unix)              GDX-BBS (717) 737-3249 WorldBlazer
This is your Brain on drugs: (MSDOS)    Unix and MSDOS File areas + Xenix bins
From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Subject: Star Trek (TOS) novels: 3/$8 package
Summary: Price of the Phoenix; Fate of the Phoenix; Memory Prime
Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: PhDs In The Hall
Distribution: usa
Lines: 16
Some reading from a recent interview trip ... waiting all day at
O'Hare a month ago, waiting out the storm here in New York!
The Price of the Phoenix;
The Fate of the Phoenix;
Memory Prime
Take the package for $8, or in trade for a good used CD ...
gld
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Gary L. Dare
> gld@columbia.EDU 			GO  Winnipeg Jets  GO!!!
> gld@cunixc.BITNET			Selanne + Domi ==> Stanley
From: unpingco@raman.ucsd.edu (Jose Unpingco)
Subject: FOR SALE: ULTRABOTS PC GAME
Keywords: ULTRABOTS,video game, pc game
Lines: 6
Electronics Art's Ultrabots game for sale with book and original
3.5" disks in the original box.
- $22 or best offer.
contact:  unpingco@raman.ucsd.edu
From: jerry.ciz@rose.com (jerry ciz)
Subject: SYNOPTICS LAN H/W
Article-I.D.: rose.1993Apr17.070759.18605
Distribution: misc
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Lines: 21
X-Gated-By: Usenet <==> RoseMail Gateway (v1.70)
For Sale or Trade
2 SYNOPTICS Model 2510, LAN concentrators
o new, never used, original packing
o each unit has 12 RJ45 ports for 10 Mbps ethernet connectivity
o included are one power supply, manuals, bracket hardware for 19" racks
o you can setup LANs using unshielded twisted pair (UTP) telephone wiring
o both units $400
o or, trade.... I'm looking for 386DX/486DX PC hardware
email:  jerry.ciz@rose.com
phone:  416-855-6205 (24hrs, 7days a week)
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RoseMail 2.10 : RoseNet<=>Usenet Gateway : Rose Media 416-733-2285
From: gurakl@aix.rpi.edu (Laura J. Gurak)
Subject: XT clone for sale
Article-I.D.: rpi.+zt5m5_
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Lines: 35
Nntp-Posting-Host: aix.rpi.edu
FOR SALE:
IBM-compatible XT personal computer (DOS)
Brand:  Acer
Age:    4.5 years
Specs:  640K RAM
20 meg hard drive
5 -1/4 floppy drive
Color monitor
2400 baud USRobotics internal modem
Bundled with loads of software: word processing,
communications, spreadsheet, games.
A good computer that successfully got me through
all of my BA, MS, and half of my PhD (I decided to
switch to a Mac for my dissertation). Perfect for
high school student, college student, or person who
needs basic word processing, spreadsheet, and/or
database capabilities.
Best offer.
Reply to
Laura Gurak
userglub@mts.rpi.edu
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Laura J. Gurak/PhD candidate/Dept. Language, Literature, and Communication
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY 12180/gurakl@rpi.edu
rhetorics of science & technology/social aspects of computing/rhet. criticism
From: jr0930@eve.albany.edu (REGAN JAMES P)
Subject: MACINTOSH-PLUS FOR SALE
Expires: 5/5/93
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Lines: 16
******************F O R  S A L E  C H E A P*********************
Macintosh-plus
+++++++++++++++
*includes:
2 - 3.5" drives( 1 external)
software: Word, Excel, Pascal, Intro package(Hypercard, Tour , etc)
Leaving school in May, must sell!!!!!!
A steal at $450
please reply e-mail
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From: hinds@cmgm.stanford.edu (Alexander Hinds)
Subject: Sega Genesis + games for sale
Keywords: sega, genesis, games
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Lines: 11
I have a Sega Genesis (barely used) that IUd like to sell with the following games:
Sonic the Hedgehog (I)
Revenge of Shinobi
Thunderforce III
I'm asking $160 OBO.  I can best be reached via email, or alternatively,
by phone at: (415) 497-3719.
Alexander Hinds
From: hinds@cmgm.stanford.edu (Alexander Hinds)
Subject: Headphones for sale
Keywords: headphones
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Lines: 9
I have two pairs of headphones I'd like to sell.  These are excellent, and both in great condition:
Denon AH-D350
JVC HA-D590
Any reasonable offer accepted.
Alexander Hinds
(415) 497-3719
From: djk@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Dan Keldsen)
Subject: ROK-STEADY keyboard stand FOR SALE - UPDATE
Article-I.D.: geraldo.1qodih$2t2
Reply-To: djk@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Dan Keldsen)
Distribution: usa
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Lines: 29
NNTP-Posting-Host: tramp.cc.utexas.edu
Originator: djk@tramp.cc.utexas.edu
Hello again folks!
Been a while since I last sold thangs, but the last time went with no problems,
and I'm moving again, so I have a few keyboard stands that I don't need
anymore and don't want to drag back across the country.
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Ultimate Support Stand:
**Probably SOLD, will see if it is gone by Saturday (pick-up date).
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Rok-Steady 3-tier keyboard stand:
$95 or best offer (try me)
one x-shaped bottom unit, with two sets of "arms" that attach
to that to support keyboard (2) above the main "X".
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Shipping not included in the above prices, but details can be worked out
if you're interested in these items.
dan keldsen - djk@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
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Dan Keldsen            |  Are you now, or have you ever been:
djk@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu |  a. A Berklee College student?
Univ. of Texas, Austin |  b. A member/fan of Billy Death?
Music Composition, MM  |  c. a MAX programmer?
M & M Consultant (ask) |  d. a Think-C & MIDI programmer?
From: thouchin@cs.umr.edu (T. J. Houchin)
Subject: FOR SALE: Paradise SVGA accelerator card
Article-I.D.: umr.1993Apr17.080644.2922
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla
Lines: 13
Nntp-Posting-Host: mcs213c.cs.umr.edu
Originator: thouchin@mcs213c.cs.umr.edu
FOR SALE:
Paradise SVGA accelerator card
-800x600x32768
-1240x1024x16
-up to 15 times faster than vga
-manual, drivers
-used for 5 months, perfect condition
-WD chipset
$120 OBO
for more info THOUCHIN@CS.UMR.EDU
T.J. HOUCHIN
From: night@acm.rpi.edu (Trip Martin)
Subject: Re: Printing
Article-I.D.: rpi.gxt5g=_
Reply-To: night@acm.rpi.edu
Distribution: na
Lines: 13
Nntp-Posting-Host: hermes.acm.rpi.edu
In <2943988816.0.p00020@psilink.com> "Jack Previdi" <p00020@psilink.com> writes:
>	As a matter of fact D.J., it does make a difference.
>	Almost a half million new users joined the Internet last year,
>	many of them are commercial businesses. The ban on commercial
>	use of Internet is no more.
This is true, but long-standing tradition has been to keep commercial
advertising in the biz.* hierarchy.
--
Trip Martin
night@acm.rpi.edu
night%acm.rpi.edu@rpi.edu
From: blaakso@ua.d.umn.edu (Brian Laakso)
Subject: PC Transporter FOR SALE
Organization: University of Minnesota, Duluth
Lines: 18
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: ua.d.umn.edu
Hello All,
I have a PC Transporter for sale. It will work with either an Apple IIe or a
GS. However, I only have the GS installation kit. This PCT also has a
co-processor installed. It comes with the latest software (2.05) and a 3.5
drive. So what you get is :
PC Transporter  (no problems runs great)
Installation kit for above PCT (GS) with video tape instructions
All needed harware with color adapter for monitor
8087 co processor installed on board
All manuals and software (ver 2.05 AEPC)
one 3.5 800K drive to hook to the PCT (or GS)
Brian Laakso
Send me your reasonable offers....
email blaakso@ub.d.umn.edu
From: nicolas.nowinski@aquila.com (Nicolas Nowinski)
Subject: 14.4k Modem ZOOM
Distribution: world
Organization: Aquila BBS - Aurora, IL - 820-8344
Lines: 10
Here it is
Zoom 14.4k  FAX/DATA v.32bis modem.  I have evreything only purchased in
January.  Will happily provide the Fax/Comm. software and BOX and manuals.
I am selling this for ONLY $125+s/h COD.
Nicolas Nowinski
703-435-9590 FEEL FREE TO CALL for quickest service.
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� OLX 2.1 TD � Yes you to can become a ASM programer for $1,000,000+S/h
From: yuanchie@aludra.usc.edu (Roger Y. Hsu)
Subject: 14.4K Fax Modem for Sale - Repost
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Lines: 14
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu
Hi,
Since the original buyer found out he couldn't use this modem
for his Mac (I beleive I mentioned that it's an internal in my
former post), the modem is re-available now.  This modem is
SupraFaxModem V.32bis.  If interested, please e-mail.
Thanks!
PS: I am sorry I already lost those e-mails stated interested
in this modem.  If you all are still interested, please
e-mail me again.
From: hernandez@info-gw.mese.com (Manny Hernandez)
Subject: Misc. Items (PIP TV tuner,CB Ant,Gym,Scanner & Run brds)
Distribution: atl.forsale,misc.forsale
Organization: Information Gateway BBS -- +1 404-928-7873
Lines: 77
I have the following items for sale.
Rabbit PIP tuner
SoloFlex-like gym
Scanner (800 Mhz)
CB Antenna
Blazer/Jimmy running boards
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Rabbit PIP (picture-in-picture) Box.
This device when used with a VCR tuner will allow you to
have a second channel popped up on any corner of the screen.
The you can press SWAP on the remote and the small picture
will be swapped with the main picture.
The only limitation to this box is that it is has 36 channel
tuner. This means that the box itself cannot tune higher
than cable channel 36. However, if your VCR tuner is capable
of tuning higher than this, then you simply tune the VCR to the
channel desired and then swap pictures (assuming the alternate
picture is channel 36 or lower) and it will work fine.
Original cost: $149
Will sell for:  $75
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Running boards for Jimmy or Blazer
Brand new black running boards for the S10/15 models. I purchased them
and realized that I could not use (after return period expired) them
because of wheel trim that I have installed on my vehicle.
Original cost: $125
Will sell for: $ 65
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Regency MX4200 20-Channel Scanner
Recieves cellular frequencies (800-950 mhz) along
with 7 other bands. Brand new Ni-Cad battery pack.
Original Cost: $249
Will sell for: $135
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GYN/Plex model 2000 workout Gym, similar to Solo-Flex
This gym is similar to Solo-Flex in that it uses resistance
bands to increase the effective lifting weight. It is all black
and made of steel. I have an extra set of bands that I purchased
that will be included.
Original cost: $349
Will sell for: $125
----
Big Stick CB Antenna for 27 Mhz band.
Will sell for: $30
Because of weight or or other difficulty, last 2 items
for Atlanta area only please.
I will share non-COD shipping charges.
Thanks
Manny
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From: schroedj@cnsvax.uwec.edu
Subject: ForSale 286 and Hard-drive
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire
Lines: 17
Packer Bell 12MHZ 286
* 5 16bit expansion slots
* 2 5.25" external drive bays (floppies)
* 1 3.5" internal drive bay (hard-drive)
* 1.44MB 3.5" floppy drive
* 1MB of RAM
$140 or Best offer (including shipping)
Segate 32MB ST138N SCSI Hard-drive
* Great shape
* Controller
* 32MB
* 3.5" format
$85 or best offer (including shipping)
From: zmed16@trc.amoco.com (Michael)
Subject: FOR SALE: 4-TRACK RECORDER
Originator: zmed16@zircon
Organization: Amoco Production Company, Tulsa Research
Lines: 11
I have a Fostex X-26 4-Track Recorder for sale.  It is in excellent condition
and includes Dolby Noise Reduction, sub-mixing, 6 inputs and uses normal cassettes.  If you are interested, make me an offer.  Please respond to:
zmed16@trc.amoco.com
Thanks,
Mike
From: zmed16@trc.amoco.com (Michael)
Subject: FOR SALE: Drum Machine
Originator: zmed16@zircon
Organization: Amoco Production Company, Tulsa Research
Lines: 12
I have an Alesis HR-16 drum machine for sale.  It includes velocity-sensitive
pads, 49 digital sounds, 99 pattern memory and 49 song memory.  If you are
interested, make me an offer.  Please respond to:
zmed16@trc.amoco.com
Thanks,
Mike
From: gregp@acpy01.att.com (Greg Peterson (CXNIXPT1))
Subject: 1990 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX For Sale
Organization: AT&T IMS - Piscataway, NJ (USA)
Distribution: nj
Lines: 26
FOR SALE
1990 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX
* All Wheel Drive
* 195 HP, 16 Valve, Turbo
* 5 Speed Transmission
* Limited Slip Differential
* AM/FM Stereo w/CD Player, Cassette, 6 Speakers
* Fog Lights
* Air Conditioning
* Cruise Control
* Electric Windows
* Front & Rear Intermittent Wipers & Washers
* Alloy Wheels
* Undercoated & Rustproofed
* 22,000 Miles
* Maui Blue
* Excellent Condition
* Asking $ 11,899 (negotiable)
Call Pete:	908 457-2838 (Work)
908 821-5393 (Home)
or respond to:
pvannuis@attmail.com
From: sgc1@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (scott.g.crawford)
Subject: Riding Lawn Mower for Sale
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: nj
Keywords: Ariens Riding Lawn Mower for Sale
Lines: 30
1987 ARIENS RIDING LAWN MOWER
This mower is in perfect condition and
contains the following features:
- Electric Start
- 26 inch cut
- Double Rear Baggers
- New Battery
- New Engine (one year old)
- Inflatable Tires (gives nice ride)
- Cushioned Seat (gives nice ride)
- Tuned up and blade sharpened in the
past month
I am moving into a house that has a
small area of grass to cut and does not
require such large mower. The engine was
replaced, not rebuilt, last year due to
some faulty work done by a lawn mower
repair shop.
PRICE:  $600.00
PHONE: 908-582-7028 (Day)
609-259-0763 (Nights & Weekends)
From: susan@wuee1.wustl.edu (Susan Castleman)
Subject: TEst
Nntp-Posting-Host: wuee1
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Distribution: stl
Lines: 1
This is a test. Thanks.
From: bradd@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (Brad A Davis)
Subject: For Sale: 386/25MHz motherboard (or system) with 8 megabytes
Summary: 386DX/25 system w/8Mb for $475; motherboard alone for $325
Article-I.D.: pdxgate.7251
Distribution: or
Organization: Portland State University, Computer Science Dept.
Lines: 30
I recently upgraded to a 486 and have found out I don't really have a need
for my old 386.  I'd prefer to sell just the motherboard and keep the case
etc, so I'll offer the motherboard and case separately and let you decide.
I'm asking $325 for the motherboard, which has:
25Mhz 386 DX (not SX)
8 megabytes of 32-bit, 70ns memory
AMI BIOS
based on C&T NEAT chipset
(this means the motherboard and bus circuitry timings are
programmable - the BIOS' advanced configuration menus let you
select system, DMA, bus clock, wait states, command delays, etc.)
"baby AT" sized - fits in mini-tower, full-sized or most any other case
(Includes User's Guide and a copy of the BIOS reference manual)
For $150 more you could have the rest of the system too:
full-size AT case with 200(?) watt power supply
2 serial, 1 parallel, 1 game ports
20Mb hard disk
1.2Mb floppy disk
keyboard
video card (choice of VGA or ???)
If you're interested, please give me a call.  The system is set up at my house
in Aloha, and you're welcome to come test drive it.
Random drivel from the keyboard of:       +---+
Brad Davis, NCD Inc, Beaverton OR       |   | Network Computing Devices
bradd@pcx.ncd.com  (503) 642-9927       |NCD| PC-XDivision
(office)(503) 671-8431       +---+
From: kimman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Kim Richard Man)
Subject: SyQuest 44M cartrifge FORSALE
Article-I.D.: magnus.1993Apr17.174951.18029
Distribution: usa
Organization: The Ohio State University
Lines: 5
Nntp-Posting-Host: bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
I have 2 New and 2 slightly used SyQuest 44M cartridge forsale.
Asking $230 for all of them and shipping is included.
Please reply by E-mail.
Richard
From: yhdw@quads.uchicago.edu (stephen t parker)
Subject: DOS 5.0
Reply-To: yhdw@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Lines: 16
Posting for a friend.  Reply to him, not to me.
For Sale:  Micro Soft DOS v. 5.0
Micro Soft DOS v. 5.0
Release date: 11/11/91
3 1/2" diskettes
manual in perfect conditioni
best offer accepted (I pay shippinig)
Contact Randall at:
Randall_Clark@byu.edu
(801) 222-0834 (home)
(801) 378-2722 (work)
Organization: Penn State University
From: <HV0@psuvm.psu.edu>
Subject: Nintendo system + power pad + light gun + games = $80
Lines: 8
Nintendo 8 bit system, power pad, light gun (zapper), 2 controllers
Games: Supermario, duck hunt, power field, and wings.
Asking $80.
Please reply to hv0@psuvm.psu.edu
From: kimd@rs6401.ecs.rpi.edu (Daniel Chungwan Kim)
Subject: WANTED: Super 8mm Projector with SOUNDS
Keywords: wanted
Nntp-Posting-Host: rs6401.ecs.rpi.edu
Lines: 11
I am looking for Super 8mm Projector with SOUNDS.
If anybody out there has one for sale, semd email with
the name of brand, condition of projector, and price for
sale to kimd@rpi.edu
(IT MUST HAVE SOUND CAPABILITY)
danny
kimd@rpi.edu
From: bwee@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Boon-khim Wee)
Subject: Looking for Battletech Games on PC
Distribution: y
Nntp-Posting-Host: midway.ecn.uoknor.edu
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA
Keywords: btech
Lines: 9
I am interested in both the battletech games for the ibm pc.
I will be grateful to anymore with information. Please email me if you
would like to do my transaction. Thank you.!
From: jamal@socrates.umd.edu (Jamal Asi)
Subject: Comics : The complete set of the ad. of Buck Rogers in the 25th century
Organization: University of Maryland University College
Lines: 5
The complete set of the adventures of Buck Rogers is forsale. Make a
REASONABLE offer. Email me back if interested. Thanks.
jamal@socrates.umd.edu
From: RFP@jhuvm.hcf.jhu.edu (Rebecca Priver)
Subject: Summer Sublet available in Baltimore
Organization: Johns Hopkins University, Homewood Academic Computing
Lines: 18
NNTP-Posting-Host: jhuvm.hcf.jhu.edu
Large bedroom for rent from June 1-Aug 15 in row house near JHU (Homewood).
No smokers or pets.  Share house with 2 or 3 F law students.  F professional/
student wanted. 2 bath,large kitchen - remodeled last summer, hardwood floors,
lr,dr, washer and dryer.  Beautiful details.  Rent $325 + 1/4 utilities.
Located on bus lines.
For more info email me : RFP@JHUVM
From: RFP@jhuvm.hcf.jhu.edu (Rebecca Priver)
Subject: Summer Sublet Wanted in DC
Organization: Johns Hopkins University, Homewood Academic Computing
Lines: 7
NNTP-Posting-Host: jhuvm.hcf.jhu.edu
Wanted: Summer sublet in NW DC, on red Metro line. Have own bedroom, but can
share common areas with others.  Apartment or room for $400 or less.
Move in Memorial Day weekend through end of August.  No smokers.
Email PRINAOA @ YALEVM or RFP@JHUVM
Subject: CD ROM
From: mike.damico@cccbbs.UUCP (Mike Damico)
Reply-To: mike.damico@cccbbs.UUCP (Mike Damico)
Distribution: world
Organization: Cincinnati Computer Connection - Cincinnati, OH - 513-752-1055
Lines: 2
IBM 3510-001 cd-rom drive 350ms. drive only make offer or trade.
From: artc@iplmail.orl.mmc.com (Art)
Subject: Re: Brand new IDE/Floppy/2S/2P/1G card for sale
Organization: MMC
Lines: 34
In article <bitzm.124.0@columbia.dsu.edu>, bitzm@columbia.dsu.edu (MICHAEL BITZ) writes:
|>
|>                 For Sale
|>                 ********
|>
|>         IDE Multi I/O Card -- Brand new
|>
|>         Controls:
|>         * (2) IDE hard drives
|>         * (2) floppy drives (3.5" or 5.25", high
|>               or low density
|>         * (2) serial ports
|>         * (1) parallel port
|>         * (1) game port
|>
|>         All in one card, measuring 2.5" x 6"!!
|>
|>         This card is *brand* new (never been opened, much
|>         less used at all).
|>
|>         **** $35.00 (including all shipping charges!) *****
|>
|>         bitzm@columbia.dsu.edu
|>
|>
|>
|>
|> ------------------------------------------------------------
|> Mike Bitz                   Internet: bitzm@columbia.dsu.edu
|> Research and Development              bitzm@dsuvax.dsu.edu
|> Dakota State University       Bitnet: s93020@sdnet.bitnet
|>
A friend of mine is selling the same thing for $25.00!!! ( NEW )
From: cs012055@cs.brown.edu (Hok-Chung Tsang)
Subject: Re: Saturn's Pricing Policy
Article-I.D.: cs.1993Apr5.230808.581
Organization: Brown Computer Science Dept.
Lines: 51
In article <C4vIr5.L3r@shuksan.ds.boeing.com>, fredd@shuksan (Fred Dickey) writes:
|> CarolinaFan@uiuc (cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu) wrote:
|> : 	I have been active in defending Saturn lately on the net and would
|> : like to state my full opinion on the subject, rather than just reply to others'
|> : points.
|> :
|> : 	The biggest problem some people seem to be having is that Saturn
|> : Dealers make ~$2K on a car.  I think most will agree with me that the car is
|> : comparably priced with its competitors, that is, they aren't overpriced
|> : compared to most cars in their class.  I don't understand the point of
|> : arguing over whether the dealer makes the $2K or not?
|>
|> I have never understood what the big deal over dealer profits is either.
|> The only thing that I can figure out is that people believe that if
|> they minimize the dealer profit they will minimize their total out-of-pocket
|> expenses for the car. While this may be true in some cases, I do not
|> believe that it is generally true. I bought a Saturn SL in January of '92.
|> AT THAT TIME, based on studying car prices, I decided that there was
|> no comparable car that was priced as cheaply as the Saturn. Sure, maybe I
|> could have talked the price for some other car to the Saturn price, but
|> my out-of-pocket expenses wouldn't have been any different. What's important
|> to me is how much money I have left after I buy the car. REDUCING DEALER PROFIT
|> IS NOT THE SAME THING AS SAVING MONEY! Show me how reducing dealer profit
|> saves me money, and I'll believe that it's important. My experience has
|> been that reducing dealer profit does not necessarily save me money.
|>
|> Fred
Say, you bought your Saturn at $13k, with a dealer profit of $2k.
If the dealer profit is $1000, then you would only be paying $12k for
the same car.  So isn't that saving money?
Moreover, if Saturn really does reduce the dealer profit margin by $1000,
then their cars will be even better deals.  Say, if the price of a Saturn was
already $1000 below market average for the class of cars, then after they
reduce the dealer profit, it would be $2000 below market average.  It will:
1) Attract even more people to buy Saturns because it would SAVE THEM MONEY.
2) Force the competitors to lower their prices to survive.
Now, not only will Saturn owners benefit from a lower dealer profit, even
the buyers for other cars will pay less.
Isn't that saving money?
$0.02,
doug.
From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen)
Subject: Re: Are BMW's worth the price?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Lines: 19
In article <1993Apr5.135153.11132@wdl.loral.com> gwm@spl1.spl.loral.com (Gary W. Mahan) writes:
>Road and Track (2/88) BMW325is     0-60 7.5s, 1/4 mile 15.7s
>               (Road Test
>                Annual 1993)       0-60 8.3s, 1/4 mile 16.2s
>
>
>Those are the numbers I was quoting, I have driven the older model but not the
>newer.
sure sounds like they got a ringer.  the 325is i drove was definitely
faster than that.  if you want to quote numbers, my AW AutoFile shows
0-60 in 7.4, 1/4 mile in 15.9.  it quotes Car and Driver's figures
of 6.9 and 15.3.  oh, BTW, these numbers are for the 325i.
i don't know how the addition of variable valve timing for 1993 affects it.
but don't take my word for it.  go drive it.
-teddy
From: netops@tekgen.bv.tek.com (Randy King)
Subject: RE: headlights problem
Keywords: headlights
Article-I.D.: tekgen.2407
Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or.
Lines: 6
THANKS TO ALL OF YOU WHO RESPONDED TO MY POSTING.
THE PROBLEM WITH MY TRUCK'S HEADLIGHTS LOW BEAM PROBLEM WAS A "LOOSE WIRE
CONNECTION".  IT WAS NOT THE "FUSE" AS A MINORITY OF YOU SUGGESTED.
THANKS AGAIN.
From: netops@tekgen.bv.tek.com (Randy King)
Subject: left turn signal won't stop automaticaly
Article-I.D.: tekgen.2408
Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or.
Lines: 5
The subject says it all. My 1984 Chev S10 Pickup's left turn signal does
not stop after turning. What cause this to stop automaticaly?. Is this
a mechanical problem by the steering wheel?.
NOTE: This truck has an after market steering wheel (GT-Grant) installed.
From: lxrosser@cco.caltech.edu (Alex Rosser)
Subject: Re: What is " Volvo " ?
Article-I.D.: gap.1pl86tINNfv7
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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NNTP-Posting-Host: blacker.caltech.edu
wolfson@regatta.sps.mot.com (Stephen Wolfson) writes:
>In article <1993Mar31.193406.29625@ugle.unit.no> oep@colargol.edb.tih.no
>(oep) writes:
>> which turns into a teenagers car when it gets old. The average
>lifelength of
>> a Volvo in Norway is 18 years, and in Sweden 20 years)
>Of course someone pointed out when Saab or Volvo was running their
>At least 10 years ads, that the average milage was significantly
>less than than the US average.
That my be, but every Volvo I've ever owned has lasted far longer than most
other cars.....
1981 Volvo 245....125,000 Miles, still on the road.
1983 Volvo 242....195,000 Miles, still on the road.
1984 Volvo 244....175,000 Miles, still on the road.
And I'll admit, the dealer repair cost is high. But with some mechanical
aptitude of your own, and finding a good indi mechanic, you can avoid most
breakdowns, and make the rest cheap(The sum total of the repairs on the car with
195,000 miles has been 2 mufflers and a radiator. Whoa. Bad repair record).
And all of these cars are driven fairly hard. None of them are at the head of
a line of cars going 30 MPH....the first two spend a lot of their operating
life with the speedometer pegged...and the only reason the 84 doesn't is it has
a 120 MPH speedo...
What I want to know is....have all you people who hate Volvos been traumatized
by someone in a 745 Turbo wagon blowing you away on the road, or what?
From: reb@hprnd.rose.hp.com (Ralph Bean)
Subject: Re: saturn pricing blatherings
Article-I.D.: hpchase.1pqkjv$46l
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X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.8]
Mihir Pramod Shah (mps1@cec1.wustl.edu) wrote:
: Robert J. Wade writes:
: > until...and more Saturn retailers are built(like 2 in the same city),
:                        		     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: ...most medium and large cities have...a small handful of Saturn dealers now
Sacramento has two Saturn dealerships.
: Mihir Shah
Ralph Bean
hprnd.rose.hp.com
From: tjo@scr.siemens.com (Tom Ostrand)
Subject: Radio for Toyota Tercel
Keywords: radio,Tercel,replacement
Nntp-Posting-Host: bugatti.siemens.com
Organization: Siemens Corporate Research, Princeton (Plainsboro), NJ
Lines: 19
I'm looking for a replacement radio/tape player for a 1984
Toyota Tercel.  Standard off-the-shelf unit is fine, but
every place I've gone to (Service Merchandise, etc.) doesn't
have my car in its model application book.  I want to just
take out the old radio, and slide in the new, with minimal time
spent hooking it up and adjusting the dashboard.
If you have put in a new unit in a similar car, I'd like to hear
what brand,  how easy it was to do the change, and any other
relevant information.
Please answer via E-mail.
Thanks,  Tom Ostrand
--
Tom Ostrand			E-mail:  tjo@scr.siemens.com
Siemens Corporate Research	Phone:   609-734-6569
755 College Road East		FAX:     609-734-6565
Princeton, NJ  08540-6668
From: carl_f_hoffman@cup.portal.com
Subject: 1993 Infiniti G20
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Lines: 26
I am thinking about getting an Infiniti G20.
In consumer reports it is ranked high in many
catagories including highest in reliability index for compact cars.
Mitsubushi Galant was second followed by Honda Accord).
A couple of things though:
1) In looking around I have yet to see anyone driving this
car. I see lots of Honda's and Toyota's.
2) There is a special deal where I can get an Infinity G20, fully
loaded, at dealer cost (I have check this out and the numbers match
up). They are doing this because they are releasing and update mid-1993
version (includes dual air-bags) and want to get rid of their old 1993's.
I guess my question is: Is this a good deal?
Also, Can anyone give me any feedback on Infiniti?
Thanks,
Carl Hoffman
P.S.
The other cars that I have test driven and which are in the
running are:
Mitsubishi Galant, Honda Accord, and Toyota Camary
From: boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle)
Subject: Re: Basics about maintenance
Article-I.D.: cactus.1993Apr6.002142.6753
Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx
Lines: 30
In article <1993Apr5.175719.7892@telxon.mis.telxon.com> joes@telxon.mis.telxon.com (Joe Staudt) writes:
>In article <1piip4$bo6@agate.berkeley.edu> hubertc@whistle.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Hung-Hsien (Hubert) Chang) writes:
>>
>>Hi! being new to a car owner, I would pretty much like to know more about
>>some basics of maintaining the cars.
>>
>>I know the following:
>>
>>1. Oil has to be changed every 3000 miles.
>
>Change the oil filter, too.
>
>>2. Check tires before going on the high way. And fill up the tank.
>
>Make that monthly, or more often if you know one or more of your
>tires has a slow leak.
If the tire has a leak you should fix it.
>
>>What others? Thank you.
>
>
>4. Check ALL fluids regularly (every month?), check the oil every time you
>   fill up with gas.
Doesn't work too well if the engine is hot, its more accurate to check the
oil when the engine is cool, i.e. not when you are at a gas station.
Craig
From: pp29616@dcl-nextsc.cso.uiuc.edu (Paul Park)
Subject: Re: Integra GSR (really about other cars)
Article-I.D.: news.C51Fs3.37C
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Lines: 21
In article <1993Apr5.212645.15988@nntpd.lkg.dec.com>
kenyon@xqzmoi.enet.dec.com (Doug Kenyon (Stardog Champion)) writes:
>
> It's great that all these other cars can out-handle, out-corner, and
out-
> accelerate an Integra.
>
> But, you've got to ask yourself one question: do all these other cars
have
> a moonroof with a sliding sunshade?  No wimpy pop-up sunroofs or power
> sliding roofs that are opaque.  A moonroof that can be opened to the
air,
> closed to let just light in, or shaded so that nothing comes in.
>
> You've just got to know what's important :^).
>
> -Doug
> '93 Integra GS
hahaha ... my sentiments exactly.
--
From: daz1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DEMOSTHENIS A. ZEPPOS)
Subject: Re: Integra GSR
Article-I.D.: ns1.1993Apr5.234729.100387
Organization: Lehigh University
Lines: 67
In article <3mwF2B1w165w@njcc.wisdom.bubble.org>, jonc@njcc.wisdom.bubble.org (J
on Cochran) writes:
>> >     I'd like to add the Beretta GTZ as a car which will kick GS-R butt
>> >anyday, and it's a lot cheaper to boot
>>
>> I will take this one with a definate grain of salt.  Performance data shows a
>>
>> If this poster has some proof(other than "my friend blew one away last week"
>
>
>     Want proof?  Here is some data on acceleration and handling from
>Motor Trend (apr '93).
>
>          Integra GS-R     Beretta GTZ
>
>0-60         7.7             7.7
>1/4 mile     16.0/88.1       16.1/87.8
>L acc (g's)  .84             .86
>Slalom       63.7            68.4
>***WRONG***
Why don't you look again at Motor Trend's, slalom times, they are 67.9, right
along with the Integra, and the car does that with small 14 inch tires that
are all -weather XGTV4, not to mention that the Integra rides alot better than
a Beretta.
Your acceleartion times also vary, magazine to magazine
Road & Track and Car& Driver have the GS-R at 6.8 to 8.0 for Road and Track.
Also Quarter mile times vary from 15.4 to 16.1
You can't tell exactly by the numbers.  Furthermore, the Integra will
definately outrun the Beretta on the high end.  Car & Driver and Road & track
have the GS-R doing 136 to 141 mph, and it gets there fast.
>     So, the Beretta can out handle the Integra and it can certainly keep
>up with it in acceleration.  And the Beretta probably has a higher top
>speed due to the horsepower advantage (160/117 (hp/torque) for the
>Integra vs. 180/160 for the Beretta).
***You always believe those exact numbers, why don't you drive a GS-R, and see
for your self, while the GS-R has a low 117 torqye, its high gearing over a 8000
rpm make up for the difference (still wouldn't call it a torque moster though!)
>     The biggest advantage would have to be the price.  The Integra costs
>$19,111 (as tested Motor Trend), the GTZ costs $16,134 (as tested).  The
>GTZ also has standard nicities and Airbag and Antilock brakes.  An airbag
>is not available on the Integra and lower models do not have ABS.
>Considering you save almost $3,000 dollars for the Beretta, and the Quad4
>is a reliable engine, it doesn't make sense to get the Integra as a
>performance coupe, which is what people have been trying to make it out
>to be.
>
Quad 4 reliable, yeah, what's your definition of reliable- if that's reliable,
then its safe to say that integra engines in general are near perfect
(not to mention, a hell of alot smoother and quieter - balance shafts.The Acura has the engine
wins the reliablity contest hands down. You can rev that car all day, everyday,
and you'll never blow a hose, or crack the block, or anything else. (I speak
from expierence!)
I'm not saying the Quad 4 is a bad engine, but don't highlight reliability when you
comparing it to a Acura Engine.  AND while the Integra costs alot more, it is a
better investment since it will hold its value considerably much better.  And
does a nice job at being a sporty car and practical at the same time.
NOTE: this isn't a flame on the GTZ, or other GM Quad 4 products.  THe Berreta
is a nice car, and puts out respectable performance and a very reasonable
price not to mention, it has an Airbag.  But to start quoting figures from one
source, isn't too reliable.  Read other sources, and drive both cars.  While I
haven't driven a GTZ, I have driven GTs, and Grand Ams with Quad 4 engines,
(so they are similair.)
From: stlucas@gdwest.gd.com (Joseph St. Lucas)
Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time
Organization: General Dynamics Corp.
Distribution: usa
Lines: 10
Don't have a list of what's been said before, so hopefully not repeating.
How about horizontally mounted oil filters (like on my Ford) that, no
matter how hard you try, will spill out their half quart on the bottom
of the car when you change them?
--
Joe St.Lucas    stlucas@gdwest.gd.com        Standard Disclaimers Apply
General Dynamics Space Systems, San Diego
Work is something to keep me busy between Ultimate Frisbee games.
From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Subject: Re: How hard to change springs on F350 truck?
Article-I.D.: pyramid.186044
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation
Lines: 5
In article <1993Apr3.005245.10615@michael.apple.com> ems@michael.apple.com (E. Michael Smith) writes:
>Does it take any peculiar tools to remove the rear springs from a Ford
>F350 truck? o
Naah.  Just a coupla nice big bumps.
From: edwards@world.std.com (Jonathan Edwards)
Subject: Re: Jeep Grand vs. Toyota 4-Runner
Article-I.D.: world.C51Hn0.2JI
Organization: IntraNet, Inc.
Lines: 18
In article <1pq29p$29p@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> jfox@hooksett.East.Sun.COM writes:
>
>Any reason you are limited to the two mentioned? They aren't really at
>the same point along the SUV spectrum - not to mention price range.
>How about the Explorer, Trooper, Blazer, Montero, and if the budget
>allows, the Land Cruiser?
Any advice on HOW to buy a Land Cruiser? My local Toyota dealer says they
get two a year, and if I want one I can just get on the waiting list.
Forget about a test drive or even kicking the tires.
And if they are that rare, I doubt there is much of a parts inventory on
hand.
--
Jonathan Edwards				edwards@intranet.com
IntraNet, Inc					617-527-7020
From: rcg1597@zeus.tamu.edu (GUYNN, RICHARD CARL)
Subject: Re: MGBs and the real world
Article-I.D.: zeus.5APR199321160020
Distribution: world
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News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41
In article <1993Apr5.181056.29411@mks.com>, mike@mks.com (Mike Brookbank) writes...
>My sister has an MGB.  She has one from the last year they were produced
>(1978? 1979?).  Its in very good shape.  I've been bugging her for years
Last year produced: 1980.
>about selling it.  I've said over and over that she should sell it
>before the car is worthless while she maintains that the car may
>actually be increasing in value as a result of its limited availability.
>
>Which one of us is right?  Are there MGB affectionados out there who are
>still willing to pay $6K to 8K for an old MG?  Are there a lot out in the
>market?
>--
Yes, there are still alot of MGBs out there.  The earlier cars (pre
74-1/2) are usually more desirable due to certain things that went with having
chrome bumpers (ride height, generally more power).  The older cars are
appreciating... slowly.  The newer ones seem to be at a stable level at the
moment.  $6 to $8k would require extremely good condition and low miles.
If the car is in good shape and regular maintenance is kept up on it, the car
should last for a long time.  There are still plenty of parts sources ouththere.
The MGB is a great, fun little car.  If she is keeping it solely in the hopes
that it is going to appreciate, tell her to sell it.  It is not worth waiting
the time it would take to appreciate to a real profitable level.
***************************************************************************
*Rick Guynn -MG driver soontobe.  *  MGA 1600 MkII                        *
*RCG1597@zeus.tamu.edu            *  Rebuild (complete) to be finished ?? *
*Texas A&M University             *                                       *
*Keeper of the eternal octagon    *  `69 MGB Roadster                     *
* a.k.a. The marque symbol that   *     I'll have it registered soon,     *
*        refuses to die.          *        honest!                        *
***************************************************************************
From: tbigham@shearson.com (Tim Bigham)
Subject: Re: Advice on BMWs and winter driving
Reply-To: tbigham@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Lines: 26
This past winter I drove from NYC to Killington,VT 6 or 7 times in my
1990 325i Convertible (talk about poor reputation in the snow!!)
with an EXCELLENT set of snow tires. I put 4 Noika NR10s on in Dec. and have been
sure footed in some pretty severe weather conditions ever since. I've plowed through
4 - 5 inch snow covered roads effortlessly, while other cars have been paralyzed
(front wheel drive included).
Concentrate more on "where the rubber meets the road" rather than driveability of cars
in snowy conditions. Drive carefully, buy good snow tires, and most cars will perform
adequately in less than ideal conditions.
An aside:
I can't praise Noika NR10 snows enough. Absolutely the BEST snow tires I have ever
driven on. If you live in the snow belt, do yourself a favor and get a set of these
next winter.
Tim
---
Timothy J. Bigham			| All opinions expressed above are my own
Lehman Brothers, Inc.			| and should not be construed as those of
AMEX Tower, World Financial Center	| my employer.
New York, N.Y. 				|
From: silver@xrtll.uucp (Hi Ho Silver)
Subject: Re: WAX RESIDUE ON BLACK MOLDING
Organization: What you won't find on my desk.
Lines: 17
Sayeth "Joseph D. Mazza" <mazz+@andrew.cmu.edu>:
$I waxed my car a few months ago with a liquid wax and now have whiteish
$smears where I inadvertantly got some wax on the black plastic molding.
$I've tried repeatedly to remove the smears with no luck.  I'm on the
$verge of replacing the molding altogether (it's a nice car).
Armor All removes Raindance wax on my Mazda Protege's black
plastic bumpers.  Your mileage may vary.
Given this observation, one would be well advised to take care not to
get any of this (or, probably, similar protectants such as Son of a Gun)
on one's paint ...
--
|I know that sometimes my jaw clicks when I eat.  Void where prohibited.|
|Have you seen this boy?  Lust never sleeps.  I say hurl.  Honey, I'm   |
|home. _________________________________________________________________|
|_____/ silver@bokonon.UUCP    ...!{uunet|becker|xrtll}!bokonon!silver  |
From: silver@xrtll.uucp (Hi Ho Silver)
Subject: Re: Who was   or   what is   MIATA, as used in the Mazda Miata?
Organization: What you won't find on my desk.
Lines: 20
Sayeth sjwyrick@lbl.gov (Steve Wyrick):
$Anybody keeping track of how many of these there are?  So far I have
$Miata, Tredia, Previa, Sentra, Maxima, Altima, Camry, and Justy, not to
$mention Lexus, Acura and Infiniti!
You're apparently including names that are, or appear to be,
derivatives of real words in English or some other language (e.g.
Acura, Infiniti, Maxima, Altima), in which case you missed ones such
as Integra, Supra, Allante', Capri and Calibra.  In Canada, add Serenia and
Precidia.  If you count misspellings, add Protege and (in Canada)
Vigor.  How about the forthcoming Mondeo, if it is given that name
in North America?
Others might include Celica, Corolla, Paseo, and Tercel.  In Canada,
add Asu"na.
--
|I know that sometimes my jaw clicks when I eat.  Void where prohibited.|
|Have you seen this boy?  Lust never sleeps.  I say hurl.  Honey, I'm   |
|home. _________________________________________________________________|
|_____/ silver@bokonon.UUCP    ...!{uunet|becker|xrtll}!bokonon!silver  |
From: jfox@hooksett.East.Sun.COM (John Fox - SunExpress IR)
Subject: Re: Jeep Grand vs. Toyota 4-Runner
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
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Distribution: world
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NNTP-Posting-Host: hooksett.east.sun.com
In article IGw@world.std.com, edwards@world.std.com (Jonathan Edwards) writes:
>I am considering buying one of these two vehicles (new).
>I want a fun-to-drive family vehicle that can go through anything.
>The Jeep is very popular, and has the features. All-Wheel-Drive, 4 wheel
>anti-lock, roomy passenger cabin (but limited cargo with an internal spare).
>THe Toyota is an aging design with only part-time 4-wheel and only rear
>anti-lock (and no anti-lock in 4WD!). It also has a very inconvenient
>rear gate, not to mention awkward ingress to the passenger cabin.
>
Any reason you are limited to the two mentioned? They aren't really at
the same point along the SUV spectrum - not to mention price range.
How about the Explorer, Trooper, Blazer, Montero, and if the budget
allows, the Land Cruiser?
Bear in mind that 90% of all SUV's purchased never venture off-road.
Carefully weigh the trade-off between comfort and off-road performance
when choosing one, and realistically decide whether you'll actually
make enough use of the off-road-ability to sacrifice (some of) the
on-road comfort.
John
John
From: bernstei@next3.corp.mot.com (Andrew Bernstein)
Subject: Re: GEICO mechanical breakdown insurance
Organization: MOTOROLA
Distribution: usa
Nntp-Posting-Host: 129.188.149.38
Lines: 36
In article <C50pBH.244@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu
(Robert J. Wade) writes:
@>In article <1993Apr4.010517.9701@lds.loral.com> mcculloc@sps204.lds.loral.com (Thad McCulloch) writes:
@>>
@>>Has anyone had any experience with GEICO's extended
@>>warranty plan.  It seems to be slightly less expensive than
@>>the normal dealer-sponsored policy.
@>>
@>and once again....*never* buy extended warranties....they are a complete and
@>total ripoff period!!!!  you are better off taking your money and putting it
@>
in a bank and using that money for repairs.  many extended warranties never
@>pay or have co-payments etc.
@>
How many people will actually put that money in the bank and keep it there for the
sole use of a automotive repair......maybe for people who have a hard time saving
money or don't want the hassle of  worrying about paying for everything the
extended warranty is worth it.....for some people it is worth it...others not, and
for some the peace of mind knowing you won't have too many unexpected expenses
is enough.....if you drive a lot, your basic warranty can be up in a little longer than
a year....how many people can make the car payments as well as large repairs....
It may work for some people......
Andrew
--
Andrew Bernstein
Motorola Inc.                          "There's no such thing as sanity,
1299 E. Algonquin Road            and that's the sanest fact"
Schaumburg, IL 60196-1077                               ---- Dire Straits
bernstei@next3.corp.mot.com (NeXT mail OK)
From: mike@mks.com (Mike Brookbank)
Subject: MGBs and the real world
Organization: Mortice Kern Systems Inc., Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA
Lines: 14
My sister has an MGB.  She has one from the last year they were produced
(1978? 1979?).  Its in very good shape.  I've been bugging her for years
about selling it.  I've said over and over that she should sell it
before the car is worthless while she maintains that the car may
actually be increasing in value as a result of its limited availability.
Which one of us is right?  Are there MGB affectionados out there who are
still willing to pay $6K to 8K for an old MG?  Are there a lot out in the
market?
--
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Mike Brookbank,                 |MKS| 35 King St. North       mike@mks.com
Director, InterOpen Sales,      |MKT| Waterloo, Ontario      (519)884-2251
Mortice Kern Systems Inc.       |MKS| Canada, N2J 2W9    fax (519)884-8861
From: wen-king@cs.caltech.edu (Wen-King Su)
Subject: male/female mystery [ Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time ]
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Lines: 16
NNTP-Posting-Host: neptune.cs.caltech.edu
In article <1993Apr1.191826.28921@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund) writes:
<apparently you're not a woman - my husband hates the auto door locks
>features, but forgets that besides families with children, a woman
<feels safer in a car that locks easily (in addition to watching around
>& checking out if anyone's near me when I get to my car - never park
<in a secluded spot, etc - have my keys ready to open the door so I'm
>not fumbling in my purse looking for them ....
This has me thinking.  Is there a biological reason why women can't put
their keys in their pants pockets like men do?  I have two pockets on the
back of each of my pants.  I put my keys in one and wallent in another.
Many of the pockets even have a botton on them so I can close them securely.
Everything is that much simpler for me.  Why can't women do the same?
Is is biological (ie, not enough room for a bigger bottom plus keys and
a wallet) or is it the way they are raised by the parents?
Subject: Convertibles
From: bouton@gertrude.cms.udel.edu (Katherine Bouton)
Reply-To: bouton@gertrude.cms.udel.edu
Organization: U of Delaware, College of Marine Studies / Lewes
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I was wondering if someone could point me to somewhere I could
find a list (and hopefully comparison) of all the convertibles that are
out these days. Seems like they are making a big comeback - but I'm not
sure where to look
From: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker)
Subject: Toyota wagons
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Lines: 9
Reply-To: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker)
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Has anybody noticed that Toyota has an uncanny knack for designing horrible
ugly station wagons?  Tercels, Corollas, Camrys.  Have their designers no
aesthetic sense at all?
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thinking we were at when we created them.   - Albert Einstein
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From: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker)
Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time
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Cup holders (driving is an importantant enough undertaking)
Cellular phones and mobile fax machines (see above)
Vanity mirrors on the driver's side.
Ashtrays (smokers seem to think it's just fine to use the road)
Fake convertible roofs and vinyl roofs.
Any gold trim.
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The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of
thinking we were at when we created them.   - Albert Einstein
___________________The Eternal Champion_________________
From: wdh@grouper.mkt.csd.harris.com (W. David Higgins)
Subject: '93 Ford Probe GT -- Engine problems?
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One of the local dealers has a used (7k miles) '93 Probe GT
on the lot with a photocopy of a document taped to the
window saying the dealership bought the car back from
the previous owner because of "Engine noises", but that
the Ford district rep had OK'ed the car saying those
noises were "normal".  I thought it was worth looking
into (the car seems otherwise clean) and mentioned this
to a co-worker, who proceeded to tell me a horror story
about her son's '93 Probe GT, which had several problems,
ending with engine noises which she said "was something
with the heads", that Ford acknowledged the noise, said
they were working on it, but didn't have a cure as of
yet.  Her son traded the car in (and I checked -- not
the same car).  So I have some evidence of a reoccuring
problem with the V6 in the Probe GT's, and by extension
with the Madza 626 and MX-6.
Anything to this?  I'd love to consider buying the GT (I'm
turning 40 -- time for my scheduled mid life crisis :-)
but I'd hate to find out I just became the proud owner
of a Lemon.
From: kenyon@xqzmoi.enet.dec.com (Doug Kenyon (Stardog Champion))
Subject: Re: Integra GSR (really about other cars)
Reply-To: kenyon@xqzmoi.enet.dec.com (Doug Kenyon (Stardog Champion))
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
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It's great that all these other cars can out-handle, out-corner, and out-
accelerate an Integra.
But, you've got to ask yourself one question: do all these other cars have
a moonroof with a sliding sunshade?  No wimpy pop-up sunroofs or power
sliding roofs that are opaque.  A moonroof that can be opened to the air,
closed to let just light in, or shaded so that nothing comes in.
You've just got to know what's important :^).
-Doug
'93 Integra GS
From: shou@logos.asd.sgi.com (Tom Shou)
Subject: Ford Explorer 4WD - do I need performance axle?
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
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We're considering getting a Ford Explorer XLT with 4WD and we have the
following questions (All we would do is go skiing -- no off-roading):
1. With 4WD, do we need the "performance axle" - (limited slip axle).
Its purpose is to allow the tires to act independently when the tires
are on different terrain.
2. Do we need the all-terrain tires (P235/75X15) or will the
all-season (P225/70X15) be good enough for us at Lake Tahoe?
Thanks,
Tom
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From: sheinfel@ssd.comm.mot.com (Aviad Sheinfeld)
Subject: Re: Lo Jack
Organization: Motorola LMPS
Keywords: n
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According to a LoJack representative I saw recently, LoJack must be installed by
an authorized LoJack dealer, and is placed in one of (roughly) 30 spots in the
car...
>Thanks,
>Steve M.  att.com!mantic!srmal
Sure,
Aviad
From: ems@michael.apple.com (E. Michael Smith)
Subject: Re: How hard to change springs on F350 truck?
Organization: Circle 'C' Shellfish Ranch, Shores-of-the-Pacific, California
Lines: 88
Bottom line:  I did it and it worked.
Some 'tips and techniques' are included here:
In article <C4zzpn.Ax7@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) writes:
>In article <1993Apr3.005245.10615@michael.apple.com> ems@michael.apple.com (E. Michael Smith) writes:
>>Does it take any peculiar tools to remove the rear springs from a Ford
>>F350 truck?  This is a 4x4 with leaf springs front and rear.
>>
>>So, with a big socket and an air wrench and a floor jack (and a
>>hydrolic bottle jack ...) can I do this at home?
I found that I needed some smaller sockets to undo the shocks.
And a can of WD40 helped...
The sockets needed were metric (exact fit) but I was able to use
some SAE sockets...  13/16 and 15/16 are rather close to 21 and 24mm...
It CAN be fun having a Canadian Ford ...
>>I'm pictureing this:  Undo U bolts.  Put a bottle jack on the axle
>>and raise the bed/frame to take stress off of the leaf spring.  Undo
>>the end bolts/bushings.  Drop the spring.  Turn the bottom leaf.
>>Re-connect the spring bolts...
>
>Sounds about right.
Didn't have to undo the end bolts/bushings.  Just the 2 U bolts on
each side and the shock absorber.  Jacking up the frame some more
(had to put the spare tire on the garage floor and put a wooden
platform on top of that to get the 'floor jack' high enough to
raise the frame ... I't one TALLL truck...) lifted the spring
free of the axel.  Taking out the block gave me enough room to
undo the pin holding the spring pack together.
The spring pack was held together with a nut on top and a round head
on the other end....  No wrench head...  Vice Grips worked fine...
I soaked the nut with WD40 and it came right off.
Flipped the bottom spring and then...
>>Is this a nightmare waiting to happen, or an easy, though physically
>>demanding, thing to do?
>
>Well, it's easier than doing a decent trigger job on a 1911A1 :-)
>(OK, well, maybe it's not _that_ easy, but it's not terribly
>difficult.)
I donno ... I'm a little more sore today than after working on a
1911A1 ...
A 1.5 foot pipe cheater was a real help.  Torque spec for the U bolt
nuts is 150 to 200 ft-lbs (!).   A 1911-A1 doesn't have that kind of
torque spec ...
It was a 'challenge' to get the 'pack bolt' back in the spring pack.
Squeeze pack with two hands, hold bolt with third, put nut on
with fourth while picking up wrench and vice grips with fifth
and sixth hands ...  I used some string to tie the pack together
while holding the pin in for alignment... then I could let go
to get the {nut, wrench, Vice Grips...}.
Getting the pin back lined up with the lift block was a challenge too...
until I discovered that the axel had 1) Tilted and/or 2) rolled forward.
One the drivers side, a bottle jack under the front of the differential
tilted it back in line enough for the pin head to drop into the right
hole.  On the passenger side, I had to wrestle the wheel into rolling
forward about 1/2 inch to get things to line up.  Spent more than an
hour working on getting the pin head into the hole in the lift block
with levers and ropes and impliments of distruction before I took a
break and thought about WHY it wasn't lined up anymore (since it HAD
been lined up before, and *I* didn't move it, something ELSE must
have ... hmmm, axle no longer constrained not to move ... hmmm, move
it back... hmmm...).
After that, it was all much easier to 'close up'.
BTW, the ride is now softer, but not quite as soft as I was hoping for.
At least it now sits level..
--
E. Michael Smith  ems@apple.COM
'Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it.  Boldness has
genius, power and magic in it.'  -  Goethe
I am not responsible nor is anyone else.  Everything is disclaimed.
From: gwm@spl1.spl.loral.com (Gary W. Mahan)
Subject: Re: Are BMW's worth the price?
Organization: Loral Software Productivity Laboratory
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>sure sounds like they got a ringer.  the 325is i drove was definitely
>faster than that.  if you want to quote numbers, my AW AutoFile shows
>0-60 in 7.4, 1/4 mile in 15.9.  it quotes Car and Driver's figures
>of 6.9 and 15.3.  oh, BTW, these numbers are for the 325i.
Car and Driver rated the 325is (1988) at 7.2 0-60 , 1/4 at 15.2 (after 30k miles) last time I checked 8#}.
Automobile magazine rated new 325is 1/4 mile@16.2.
Gee , aint quotiin funner than the dickens!
Sounds like we need a race.  I'll let you have the newer version.  Can someone out there lend me a 1988 325is for a day 8-].  I wont hurt it, I promise.
>i don't know how the addition of variable valve timing for 1993 affects it.
>but don't take my word for it.  go drive it.
Actually I will take your word on it.  I refuse to test it (new 325is) because
I love BMW's and would probably want to buy it.  Problem is, my income just doesn't support that.
From: jmh@hopper.Virginia.EDU (Jeffrey Hoffmeister)
Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all tim
Organization: ITC/UVA Community Access UNIX/Internet Project
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In article <1ppg8b$fvq@armory.centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes:
>joes@telxon.mis.telxon.com (Joe Staudt) writes:
>>In article <1phoi3$s95@armory.centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost)
>>writes:
>>[stuff deleted...]
>>>
>>>The silly thing about this whole argument is that most of the trunk
>>>releases (I'm tempted to say all, but there's bound to be a
>>>counterexample) only operate if the car is on (ACC or running).  Thus
>>>you can't easily pop the trunk without starting the car.
>
>>"Most" cars?  The only cars I've ever seen with this "feature" have been
>>GM cars.  My `88 Mazda, '80 Honda, and (coming soon) '93 Probe all have
>>cable-operated releases [...].  My '84
>>Camaro had an electric hatch release that was (thankfully) independent of
>>the key in the ignition (the exception to the rule mentioned in my first
>>sentence).
>
>I should probably have said "glovebox trunk releases."  I haven't
>encountered any glovebox releases that are cable operated.  Numerous
>GM and several Ford/Mercury cars that I've encountered have electrical
>releases in the glovebox, and all of the ones I've seen needed the
>ignition on to some degree to operate.  Your Camaro example is noted,
>but since it's a hardtop it's not a big deal.  I've never run into a
>convertible with a cable-operated trunk release -- I'd agree 100% that
>in such an environment a cable or always-active electrical release
>would be rather stupid.
>
>jim frost
>jimf@centerline.com
My Honda has a cable release that can be locked out with the ignition key.
The valet key can be left with someone and will NOT unlock the trunk
or enable the cable release.
I remember my mothers '86 Corvette that had an electronic hatch release
located on the drivers door, which was ALWAYS active.  The fact that the
car had no real trunk makes the security measure of beign able to
dis-able the hatch release unnecessary.
From: dduff@col.hp.com (Dave Duff)
Subject: Re: Did US drive on the left?
Article-I.D.: hp-col.1pqtq1INNj5c
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division
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Left hand steering wheel placement was not standard until the 20's in the
US. Driving on the right has been standard since standards came into being.
Interestingly, Chrysler has just begun building right hand drive cars again
for export to Japan.
From: dduff@col.hp.com (Dave Duff)
Subject: Re: Did US drive on the left?
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DeSoto's first year of manufacture was 1928, so this may indeed have been
an export special, as left hand controls were standard here by then.
From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen)
Subject: Re: 1993 Infiniti G20
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Lines: 14
>In article <78834@cup.portal.com> carl_f_hoffman@cup.portal.com writes:
>>2) There is a special deal where I can get an Infinity G20, fully
>>   loaded, at dealer cost (I have check this out and the numbers match
>>   up). They are doing this because they are releasing and update mid-1993
>>   version (includes dual air-bags) and want to get rid of their old 1993's.
is this really the dealer's cost?  did you get the dealer's cost by
looking at the invoice?  there may be factory to dealer incentives.
i'd check this out, since i have trouble believing that a dealer would
sell a car to me at his cost.
dealer invoice is not necessarily the dealer cost.
-teddy
From: cfj@ssd.intel.com (Charlie Johnson)
Subject: Re: LH car order delay
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Organization: Intel Corporation
Lines: 23
In article <1993Apr2.135926.1@skcla.monsanto.com>, mas@skcla.monsanto.com writes:
|> I read an article in the 3/25 Chicago Tribune stating that Chrysler is
|> having problems addressing the demand for the 3.5L engine for it's LH
|> cars.  Can anyone post how long they are waiting for an ordered car or
|> how long they have been told they'll have to wait??
|>
|> Thanks!
|>
|> John Mas
|>
|>
|> E-Mail Address     ::     MAS@SKCLA.MONSANTO.COM
|>
I ordered an Intrepid ES on Jan 25th and haven't seen it yet.  I called
a couple of weeks ago and was told 2-3 more weeks.  It's probably time
to call again.
--
Charles Johnson
Intel Corporation
Supercomputer Systems Division
MS CO1-01
15201 NW Greenbrier Pkwy
Beaverton, OR  97006           phone: (503)629-7605  email: cfj@ssd.intel.com
From: mutrh@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Todd R. Haverstock)
Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time
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>Well, you young fellers won't remember, but we used to have side vent
>front windows until some damn bean counter scrapped them. These were
>separate triangular windows at the leading edge of the front doors
>that pivoted outward at the rear edge. Worked like a charm.
Yeah, I loved the vent windows on my 82 Escort (hell, the only thing I liked
about the car).  One of the things I'd like to see brought back.  Does
anyone know if they're an option on the new Escorts?
TRH
From: zakir@leland.Stanford.EDU (Zakir Sahul)
Subject: Inflation in car prices
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
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Anyone have figures or pointers to references about
how fast/much car prices have gone up in the last decade?
Thanks.
From: swdwan@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Donald Wan)
Subject: just testing
Organization: University of Waterloo
Lines: 3
hello testing
From: swdwan@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Donald Wan)
Subject: $ 80 SVX OIL CHANGE
Organization: University of Waterloo
Lines: 17
My friend brought a subaru SVX recently.  I had drove it for couples times and I
think its a great car, esp on snow.  However when she took it to a local Subaru
dealer for a oil change, the bill came out to be about 80 dollars.  The dealer
told us it is because to change the oil filter on a SVX it is necessary to
disassemble a metal cover under the engine and that took an hour of labour.
At first, we think we are being ripped off so she phone to a dealer in Toronto
but found out the they are charging roughly the same price.  So is there any
SVX owner out there that has the same problem ?  And if the oil change story is
true, then the engineer of Subaru looks pretty stubid to me. By the way, the car
looks great.
SWD Wan.
From: pminocha@frx400.intel.com (Punit Minocha - QRE)
Subject: SAAB Mailing list
Organization: Intel Corporation
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Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: frx400.intel.com
Keywords: Saab
Could someone out there please tell me how I could get onto
the Saab mailing list. Specifically I need the address and
instructions on what to do.
Thanks in advance
Pete
From: dunnjj@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (DUNN  JONATHAN JAMES)
Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
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ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) writes:
>Cup holders (driving is an importantant enough undertaking)
This is a good idea - so you can carry your (non-alcoholic) drinks without
spilling or having someone hold on to them.
>Cellular phones and mobile fax machines (see above)
Fax machines, yes.  Cellular phones:  Why not get a hands-free model?
>Fake convertible roofs and vinyl roofs.
Seemingly unique to American luxury cars.  The Big Three haven't yet realized
that the 1970s are over.
>Any gold trim.
I agree.  Just another display of Yuppie excess.
>Jon Dunn<
From: pp@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (peter.peng)
Subject: need info on Mazda 626
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
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I test drove a Mazda 626 LX this past weekend and
liked it.
The dealer offered it for $15K.
1) Is this a good price?
2) Any comments on 626 in general?
Please use email. Thanks
Peter
att!hotsoup!peng
From: boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle)
Subject: Re: Integra GSR
Article-I.D.: cactus.1993Apr6.035020.16730
Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx
Lines: 57
In article <1993Apr5.234729.100387@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> daz1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DEMOSTHENIS A. ZEPPOS) writes:
>In article <3mwF2B1w165w@njcc.wisdom.bubble.org>, jonc@njcc.wisdom.bubble.org (J
>on Cochran) writes:
>>> >     I'd like to add the Beretta GTZ as a car which will kick GS-R butt
>>> >anyday, and it's a lot cheaper to boot
Comparing the GTZ and GSR is apples to oranges, somewhat like a Mustang 5.0
and a CRX, both have very different ways of doing things and ought to
appeal to different buyers, i.e., I don't think an Acura owner would
be seen dead in a Chevy dealership or vice versa.
[stuff deleted]
>are all -weather XGTV4, not to mention that the Integra rides alot better than
No Integra I have seen comes with all-season tires.
The GTZ does come with much bigger 16" wheels.
>along with the Integra, and the car does that with small 14 inch tires that
>Your acceleartion times also vary, magazine to magazine
>Road & Track and Car& Driver have the GS-R at 6.8 to 8.0 for Road and Track.
The C+D figures are almost certainly bogus and based on a hot prototype
supplied by Acura. The MT figures are more plausible.
>Also Quarter mile times vary from 15.4 to 16.1
16.1 sounds reasonable, probably faster than regular Integras.
>>     So, the Beretta can out handle the Integra and it can certainly keep
>>up with it in acceleration.  And the Beretta probably has a higher top
>>speed due to the horsepower advantage (160/117 (hp/torque) for the
>>Integra vs. 180/160 for the Beretta).
>***You always believe those exact numbers, why don't you drive a GS-R, and see
>for your self, while the GS-R has a low 117 torqye, its high gearing over a 8000
The GSR gearing is horrible for day to day driving. It needs a 6 speed
box more than any other modern car. Essentially 5th in a regualr Integra
equals 4th in the GSR, and the regular Integras are very buzzy at speed.
>rpm make up for the difference (still wouldn't call it a torque moster though!)
>
>>Considering you save almost $3,000 dollars for the Beretta, and the Quad4
>>is a reliable engine, it doesn't make sense to get the Integra as a
The only person I knew with a GTZ had it bought back by GM as a lemon. It
was a piecve of junk, but very quick for FWD.
>Quad 4 reliable, yeah, what's your definition of reliable- if that's reliable,
>then its safe to say that integra engines in general are near perfect
The only GSR owner I know had the engine throw a rod with less than 5k
miles, a rare screw up by Honda.
Both the GTZ and GSR are flawed cars. The performance enthusiasts would take
the GTZ and the CR purchase would be the GSR.
Craig
From: boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle)
Subject: Re: MGBs and the real world
Article-I.D.: cactus.1993Apr6.035544.16865
Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx
Lines: 24
In article <1993Apr5.181056.29411@mks.com> mike@mks.com (Mike Brookbank) writes:
>My sister has an MGB.  She has one from the last year they were produced
>(1978? 1979?).  Its in very good shape.  I've been bugging her for years
>about selling it.  I've said over and over that she should sell it
>before the car is worthless while she maintains that the car may
>actually be increasing in value as a result of its limited availability.
>
Grass Roots Motorsport [3/93] has a long article about MG/B's this month.
As far as collectivity/speculation is concerned they think it is a
waste of time, especially the later rubber bumpered models are the least
desirable, a 1962 original model the most. The reasons for its low
value are easy availability and the fact that it just was not a very good
car.
Craig
>Which one of us is right?  Are there MGB affectionados out there who are
>still willing to pay $6K to 8K for an old MG?  Are there a lot out in the
>market?
>--
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Mike Brookbank,                 |MKS| 35 King St. North       mike@mks.com
>Director, InterOpen Sales,      |MKT| Waterloo, Ontario      (519)884-2251
>Mortice Kern Systems Inc.       |MKS| Canada, N2J 2W9    fax (519)884-8861
From: "tom neumann" <tom.neumann@canrem.com>
Subject: vw passat? (again)
Reply-To: "tom neumann" <tom.neumann@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Lines: 25
kojo@valet.phx.mcd.mot.com (Kojo Yeboah) writes:
KY>To all those who have PASSATs, do you recommend using Super Unleaded or just
KY>regular Unleaded Gasoline. I have been using Regular Unleaded. A friend of mine has
KY>a Jetta and has always used Super Unleaded and thinks I should be using the same;
KY>however, I believe the advantages of Super Unleaded for CARs $30000 and under
KY>has been overplayed by guess who: the companies who sell them, because that is
KY>where they make the most PROFIT. A Ralph Nader report and other consumer advocates
KY>have in the past spoken against those oil companies.
Your Passat VR6 is designed to run on premium gasoline, however the
engine electronics will retard the timing so that no harm wil be done
to the engine with lower octane fuel.
You will likely, however, get somewhat more power and fuel mileage
(especially in hot weather) out of this particular engine if you do
run it on premium.
Tom Neumann
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From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen)
Subject: Re: Toyota wagons
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Lines: 15
In article <1993Apr5.213032.26844@pmafire.inel.gov> russ@pmafire.inel.gov (Russ Brown) writes:
>In article <1pq6bl$9rj@news.ysu.edu> ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) writes:
>>Has anybody noticed that Toyota has an uncanny knack for designing horrible
>>ugly station wagons?  Tercels, Corollas, Camrys.  Have their designers no
>>aesthetic sense at all?
>>--
>The new Camry Wagon may just be even uglier than my Tercel.   :-)
toyota has cornered the market on ugly station wagons.
after seeing the new camry sedan, i had thought toyota would
finally turn out something nice-looking.  the new camry station
wagon bears a strong resemblance to a hearse, and a weird looking
one at that.
-teddy
From: dunnjj@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (DUNN  JONATHAN JAMES)
Subject: Re: Photo radar (was Re: rec.autos: Frequently Asked Questions)
Keywords: Monthly Posting
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Lines: 18
>Photo radar and mailed tickets make no sense at all. Speeding is a moving
>violation, committed by the operator, not the owner. The owner may be a
>rental agency, a dealer, a private party, or a government agency. As long
>as the owner has no reason to expect the operator will be driving illegally
>or unsafely, the owner cannot be held responsible for what the operator does.
>The car may even have been driven without the owner's knowledge or consent.
>I can't believe a mailed ticket, where the driver is not identified, would
>stand up in court. This is obviously a lazy, cynical, boneheaded, fascist
>way to extort revenue, and has nothing to do with public safety.
>- BK
What do photo radar units look like?  Also, what major U.S. cities use it?
>Jon Dunn<
From: rmt6r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Roy Matthew Thigpen)
Subject: Re: Most bang for between $13,000 and $16,000
Organization: University of Virginia
Lines: 7
Your best bet is the Dodge Intrepid with the SOHC 24 valve 3.4? six.
it gets 214 hp, and has a hell of a lot of room, great styling, and
ABS, with four wheel disk breaks.  The LH cars won Automobile
magazines
"automobile of the year" award, and are quiet impressive.
From: fsmlm2@acad3.alaska.edu (Rebelheart)
Subject: ALASKA CAR SHOW
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41.UAC
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PENINSULA CRUISERS THIRD ANNUAL AUTOFAIRE
WHAT:  CAR SHOW (FOR ANY AND ALL TYPES OF VEHICLES INCLUDING PEDAL CARS)
WHERE:  KENAI MALL, KENAI, ALASKA
WHEN:  MAY 14, 15, & 16, 1993
WHO: PENINSULA CRUISERS CAR CLUB, KENAI, AK (907-283-4979)
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From: ssave@ole.cdac.com (The Devil Reincarnate)
Subject: Re: Was "Re: Safety": From how far can you see a car ?
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In article <C4rvKM.367@plato.ds.boeing.com> simnet@plato.ds.boeing.com (Mark R Poulson) writes:
>ssave@ole.cdac.com (The Devil Reincarnate) writes:
>> You will be surprised at the number of people who forget their glasses
>> while driving.  And then there are the people who just plain don't get
>> their eyes checked once a year.
>
>As someone who has lousy vision, I can see objects at a distance without
>my glasses. However, they are quite fuzzy and I may not be able to make
>out the details. But I can certainly tell that SOMETHING is there.
I won't argue too much about anything.  I am probably one of those that
think that we can't have enough safety on the roads.  I would gladly
sacrifice distractions (as you call it), than someone having trouble seeing
danger earlier.  One saved life justifies more than my lifetime of "distractions"
for me.
>>  And then there is dawn and dusk.  When your eyes have not yet adjusted
>> to the poor light.  And there are those who drive black/grey cars. And
>> then there is the case where you are driving down a two-way one lane
>> road, and someone is overtaking cars, and coming the opposite direction
>> doesn't see you because your lights are not on. Or vice versa.  At 60mph,
>> that is quite a small reaction time.  But of course, we are too macho to
>> think we are invincible and can react faster than that.... Only the poor
>> sod who you didn't see might not have a normal life ever...
>
>I worked out the reaction time in a previous post and its PLENTY, even for
>an 80 year old grandma, as long as speeds are in the 60 MPH range or less.
>If you or some other driver is going way faster than that, then be careful.
>
>As always, you are responsible for your driving actions. If you pull out to
>pass and crash into someone (for whatever reason) its YOUR fault. If you can't
Problem is that, I may just kill the guy. I agree that I would be at fault,
and I will have my license revoked, why, I might even go to the gas chamber.
But the fact still remains that the guy is dead.  Someone died because I
was too stingy to put on my lights.
>see a damn thing, then you shouldn't be driving -- lights fail, fallen trees
>or rocks don't have lights, etc....  I maintain that headlight strength
The ratio of the probability of fallen trees/rocks on the roads to
oncoming traffic is too low to even be considered.  The difference is also
working on what we *know* could happen, to what *might* happen.
>running lights are not necessary for motorists who drive around 60MPH. It may
>be a good idea to force the running or headlights on when you turn your
>windshield wipers on, but only because some people are too stupid to do so.
>If you crash into one of those idiots, you have to fight it out in court to
>show his neglegence (if you can even prove it).
>>  Just out of curiosity, how much gas-milage do you loose when you put
>> your lights on?  And how much do you reduce the life of your head-lamps?
>> And what is the cost of your headlamps anyway?
>
>Mileage is certainly reduced, but by a very very small amount (probably
>about 110 watts for head and running lights). This is an extra 1/7 horsepower
>that must be made by the engine. It may be that this will cost you around two
>gallons a year. But times 200 million cars, that's a lot of gas.
Compared to the number of gallons of gas consumed by those 200 million cars,
it is miniscule!
Whatever.....  'tis a pity I have to share the same roads with a person
not concerned with safety.
-S
ssave@ole.cdac.com
>Lamp life is measured in hours. So if you normally drive in half daylight and
>half night, your lamps will have to be replaced twice as often. Headlamps
>only cost about $10US for most halogen lamps.
>
>The cost to the individual is trivial and to me is not the issue. What I
>don't like is the distractions all these cars with headlights cause. I don't
>need to constantly see the headlights of the vehicle behind me. I don't need
>to see the headlights of every gosh darn car for a mile down the road. These
>lit up cars make non-illuminated things LESS visible (like pedistrians and
>bikes). Hopefully we're not going to mandate DRL's for people and bikes
>too.
>
>A stream of taillights is tolerable as are the orange front running lights.
>This is certainly sufficient for other people to see you (if they look) and
>doesn't distract me nearly as much as full power headlights.
>
>		Mark
From: ssave@ole.cdac.com (The Devil Reincarnate)
Subject: Quick question
Keywords: Removing panels.
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How do you take off the driver side door panel from the inside
on an '87 Honda Prelude?  The speaker went scratchy, and I want
to access its pins.
I see only one press button and the rest is snug fit.
-S
ssave@ole.cdac.com
From: lmann@jjmhome.UUCP (Laurie Mann)
Subject: Clothing (Was  Re: male/female mystery [ Re: Dumbest automotive...])
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In article <1pima2INN180@gap.caltech.edu>, wen-king@cs.caltech.edu (Wen-King Su) writes:
> This has me thinking.  Is there a biological reason why women can't put
> their keys in their pants pockets like men do?  I have two pockets on the
> back of each of my pants.  I put my keys in one and wallent in another.
> Many of the pockets even have a botton on them so I can close them securely.
> Everything is that much simpler for me.  Why can't women do the same?
> Is is biological (ie, not enough room for a bigger bottom plus keys and
> a wallet) or is it the way they are raised by the parents?
Oh PULLEEZE!
It's not biology at all, it's clothing design.  Women's clothing is
generally designed to be as non-functional as possible.  It's only been
in the last five years or so that you could buy women's pants with
pockets deep enough to carry anything in.  Previously, deep pockets were
virtually unknown in women's clothing.  Skirts generally have better
pockets now, too.  Dresses, espcially fancy dresses, are still pretty
hopeless.  I often hand my driver's license over to my husband if we're
dressed up to go out somewhere, so I don't have to be encumbered by a
purse.
If women consistently bought functional clothing, and boycotted the
manufacturers who refuse to make functional women's clothing, I think
manufacturers would tend to bow to market pressures.  There's
an interesting chapter in Susan Faludi's Backlash that described
what happened the LAST time clothing manufacturers ignored the
need for functional women's clothing.  The manufactuing industry
lost millions.
From a woman who would rather buy men's clothing WITH decent pockets and
long legs and high waists than women's clothing without....
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******** lmann@jjmhome.uucp (Internet) Laurie.Mann (GEnie) *********
** Claiming that sex education leads to irresponsible sex is like **
*****  claiming that driver education leads to car accidents.  *****
From: hhtra@usho0b.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock)
Subject: Re: Looking to buy Dodge Stealth, have questions
Keywords: questions
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In article <1993Apr2.030031.15691@cactus.org>, boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) writes:
|> In article <1993Apr1.104746@usho72.hou281.chevron.com> hhtra@usho72.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock) writes:
I found a Mopar spec sheet this weekend:
model         wgt    hp
Stealth         3086   164
Stealth ES      3186   222
Stealth RT      3373   222
Stealth RT TT   3803   300
Okay, I'll take "their" word for it.
> I am giving every chance to retract figures widely known. The Mustang is
> rated at 205.  222-205 is 17. You have a 17hp advantage over a Mustang
Seems that the 1993 Mustang 5.0 is rated at 205 hp ONLY because Ford
changed its testing procedures.  Under the older procedures, it still
rates closer to 225 hp.  That means that the Mustang has 3 hp more.
And you still haven't posted any weight figures for the Mustang.
> Big threat. You are KO'd by a Civic, acording to C+D
Yeah, sure, in your wet dreams.  And that's probably where you got
that 11.2 second 0-60 for the Stealth.
>> I'll check C&D's 5/91 issue.  Strange that you claim to have that
>
> Go ahead and check asshole, you'll realize what an idiot you are for not
> checking data beforeposting. Car+ Drive, may 91. Stealth ES, 222hp,
> automatic.
For 3 posts now you've been harping on this May 1991 issue of Car & Driver
without posting any numbers.  Why not?  Because they prove me right and you
ain't got the guts to admit it?  Yeah, thought so.
> The Sentra SE-R really is alot quicker than the 222hp FWD Sports car.
> You are close to the 9k sentra-e. Go look up the numbers in C+D - and
> report please.
No, I'm going to play your game -
No way, Sentra's are SLOW!  I took a test drive and it took
21.7 to go 0-50!  Why, even the Hyundai Excel blows it doors
off.  Any 12 yr old knows that!  I race and I'll kick your butt!
blah, blah, blah...
Let's see ...  yep, that sounds just like you.
Oh man, I just got it!  Beavis & Butthead - that's you!
> Who would buy a FWD automatic, that costs $20K+ that is capable of only
> a 15.8 and would plainly be dusted by a SE-R?
I dunno, why did you?
But why would someone pick the Dodge Stealth RT over the Nissan Sentra?
All it takes is one look.
TRAVIS
From: zowie@daedalus.stanford.edu (Craig "Powderkeg" DeForest)
Subject: Re: 5W30, 10W40, or 20W50
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In-reply-to: Brad Thone's message of Fri, 02 Apr 93 21:41:53 CST
In article <foo> Brad Thone <C09615BT@WUVMD> writes:
Well, there *is* a difference.
I don't happen to have my SAE manual handy, but oil viscosity in general
_decreases_ with temperature.  The SAE numbers are based on a `typical'
curve that oils used to all have, running from (say) the viscosity of a
room-temperature 90-weight at 0C, down to (say) that of a room-temperature
5-weight at 20C, for a typical 40-weight oil.
Oils that are designed for operation in `normal' temperatures just have
a weight specification.  Oils that are designed for operation in exceedingly
cold temperatures have a `W' tacked on the end, so in winter in a cold
place, you'd stick 10W in your car in the winter and 40 in it in the summer,
to approximate the appropriate viscosity throughout the year.
Modern multi-viscosity oils change viscosity much less with temperature.
As a result, their viscosity graphs cross over several curves.  A multi-vis
specification pegs the curve at two temperatures, a `normal' operating
temperature and a `cold' one (though I can't remember the numbers...).
In any event, the weights do indicate a significant difference.  Remember
that your engine is temperature-regulated (by the thermostat and
radiator or air fins) most of the time -- unless you overheat it or
something.
Any weight of oil is better than no oil, or than very old, carbonized
oil.  Thin oil won't (in general) lubricate as well at temperature,
thicker oil will (like a 20W50) will lubricate better at temperature,
but not as well during startup, when most engine wear occurs.
If you're planning on making long drives, the 20W50 is probably fine
(esp. in the summer) in your 10W40 car.  But if you're making short drives,
stick to the 10W40.
--
DON'T DRINK SOAP! DILUTE DILUTE! OK!
From: boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle)
Subject: Re: Looking to buy Dodge Stealth, have questions
Keywords: questions
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In article <1993Apr5.203719@usho0b.hou281.chevron.com> hhtra@usho0b.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock) writes:
>In article <1993Apr2.030031.15691@cactus.org>, boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) writes:
>|> In article <1993Apr1.104746@usho72.hou281.chevron.com> hhtra@usho72.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock) writes:
>
> I found a Mopar spec sheet this weekend:
>
>               model         wgt    hp
>             Stealth         3086   164
>             Stealth ES      3186   222
>             Stealth RT      3373   222
>             Stealth RT TT   3803   300
>
> Okay, I'll take "their" word for it.
These arethe numbers I have been stating in the past 5-10 messages. It
really angers me that you insisted you were right, and that you had
no clue what your own car weighed. Why didn't you check when I first
told you that your figures were implausible?
>
>
>> I am giving every chance to retract figures widely known. The Mustang is
>> rated at 205.  222-205 is 17. You have a 17hp advantage over a Mustang
>
> Seems that the 1993 Mustang 5.0 is rated at 205 hp ONLY because Ford
> changed its testing procedures.  Under the older procedures, it still
> rates closer to 225 hp.  That means that the Mustang has 3 hp more.
>
I'd like to hear a better explanatin of how you come to that
conclusion from the above data.
>
>> Big threat. You are KO'd by a Civic, acording to C+D
>
> Yeah, sure, in your wet dreams.  And that's probably where you got
No, sorry your wrong again. *You* quoted the del Sol as doing 0-60 in
8.1 according to C+D. Interestingly, the Stealth ES, which is
*faster* than your RT does the samerun in 8.5 seconds according to
C+D. Kind of embarassing isn't it? Why didn't you check the figures
before posting? It only makes you look stupid when you are caught out
twice with *your own* figures.
> that 11.2 second 0-60 for the Stealth.
>
>
>>> I'll check C&D's 5/91 issue.  Strange that you claim to have that
You really should have checked.
>>
>> Go ahead and check asshole, you'll realize what an idiot you are for not
>> checking data beforeposting. Car+ Drive, may 91. Stealth ES, 222hp,
>> automatic.
>
> For 3 posts now you've been harping on this May 1991 issue of Car & Driver
*2*
> without posting any numbers.  Why not?  Because they prove me right and you
> ain't got the guts to admit it?  Yeah, thought so.
>
If you insist, I gave you every chance to retract, but:
Dodge Stealth ES Auto does an 8.5/16.4 - Wonder why you couldn't find it?
Do you realize that a 9k Sentra (C+D) will run a 16.7, that a Sentra SE-R or Saturn
will run in the 15's? Don't you think it is kind of strange that your
222hp sports car is so easily beaten.
A Mustang 5.0, which weights about the same (according to *your* numbers),
has less power and is much quicker? Care to explain. Don't be abusive,
just try and come up with a rational explanation of where those 222hp
went to, its a mystery to me.
>> The Sentra SE-R really is alot quicker than the 222hp FWD Sports car.
>> You are close to the 9k sentra-e. Go look up the numbers in C+D - and
>> report please.
>
> No, I'm going to play your game -
>
>       No way, Sentra's are SLOW!  I took a test drive and it took
>       21.7 to go 0-50!  Why, even the Hyundai Excel blows it doors
I guess you drove a 5 speed and couldn't shift/
Craig
From: kak@hico2.westmark.com (Kris A. Kugel)
Subject: Storing a car long term
Keywords: tires cars storage
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I bought a car with a defunct engine, to use for parts
for my old but still running version of the same car.
The car I bought has good tires.
Is there anything in particular that I should do to
store the defunct car long-term?  I'd hate to have
parts of it go bad.  Someone has told me it's bad
for the tires to not move the car once-in-a-while.
Is this true?   Do I need some props to take the
weight of the tires?
Best to reply by mail, I am getting spotty news delivery.
Kris A. Kugel	908-842-2707
hico2!kak	kak@hico2.westmark.com
From: "Daniel U. Holbrook" <dh3q+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Did US drive on the left?
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>>
>>The reason I ask is because I went to a classic car meet here in the UK,
>>and saw a very nice old De Soto, 1920's vintage I'd guess, with wooden
>>artillery type wheels, etc, but it was right-hand drive. I can't believe
>>that DeSoto produced RHD cars just for the UK....
Well Sweden and Australia, and lord knows wherever else used to drive on
the "wrong" side of the road, so the export market might have been
larger then than just the UK.
>i'm guessing, but i believe in the twenties we probably drove mostly down
>cattle trails and in wagon ruts.  I am fairly sure that placement of the
>steering wheel was pretty much arbitrary to the company at that time.....
By the 1920s, there was a very active "good roads" movement, which had
its origins actually in the 1890s during the bicycle craze, picked up
steam in the teens (witness the Linclon Highway Association, 1912 or so,
and the US highway support act (real name: something different) in 1916
that first pledged federal aid to states and counties to build decent
roads. Also, the experience of widespread use of trucks for domestic
transport during WW 1 convinced the government that good raods were
crucial to our national defense.  Anyway, by the 20s there were plenty
of good roads, at least around urban areas, and they were rapidly
expanding into the countryside.  This was the era, after all, of the
first auto touring fad, the motel, the auto camp ground, etc. Two good
books on the subject spring to mind - Warren Belasco "America on the
Road" (title may not be exact - author is) and another called "The Devil
Wagon in God's Country" author I forget.  Also, any of John Flink's  or
John Bell Rae's auto histories.
As to placement of the steering wheel being arbitrary, by the early
teens there were virtually no American cars that did not have the wheel
on the left.  In the early days, cars had the wheel on the left, on the
right, and even in the middle, as well as sometimes having a tiller
instead of a wheel.  This was standardized fairly early on, though I
don't know why.
Dan
dh3q@andrew.cmu.edu
Carnegie Mellon University
Applied History
"World history strides on from catastrophe to catastrophe, whether we
can comprehend and prove it or not."
Oswald Spengler
From: Steve.Green@its.csiro.au (Steve Green)
Subject: Any Subaru Liberty owners out there?
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I've had my Subaru Liberty 4WD station wagon for about 8 months now. Saying
I'm happy with it would be an understatement!
Just great. Well built, handles beautifully, plenty of power. I've only
had if 'off tar' once. Did a trip over the mountains on a narrow, windy
dirt road, often _very dodgey_ in parts. The Subaru did it with ease.
I havent had so much fun driving a car for years!
Any other owners out there?
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From: qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Aamir Hafeez Qazi)
Subject: Re: Difference between Lexus 300 series?
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From article <1993Apr5.200048.23421@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, by lorenzo@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Eric Lorenzo):
> 	What is the difference between the LS300, ES300 and GS300?  Seems
> Lexus can't stop popping out new models.
--Let me put it like this.  The only similarity between the three models
is the "300", or 3-liter engine displacement.  Actually, the SC300 (the
coupe) and the GS300 (the funky-looking new sedan) share the same 3.0
liter inline-six, and the ES300 (popular small sedan) uses 3.0 V6 shared
with the Camry.  The SC300 is a luxury/sports coupe, the GS300 is the new
luxury sedan, and the ES300 is the base executive sedan.  All three look
completely different.
--Aamir Qazi
--
Aamir Qazi
qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
--Why should I care?  I'd rather watch drying paint.
From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (CarolinaFan@uiuc)
Subject: Re: Most bang for between $13,000 and $16,000
Article-I.D.: news.C51s16.ACz
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rmt6r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Roy Matthew Thigpen) writes:
>Your best bet is the Dodge Intrepid with the SOHC 24 valve 3.4? six.
>it gets 214 hp, and has a hell of a lot of room, great styling, and
>ABS, with four wheel disk breaks.  The LH cars won Automobile
>magazines
>"automobile of the year" award, and are quiet impressive.
Is the 24v LH under $16K, though?
--
Chintan Amin  The University of Illinois/Urbana Champaign mail: llama@uiuc.edu
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*"Because he was human      Because he had goodness      Because he was moral*
***************They called him insane..."  Peart "Cinderella Man"*************
From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (CarolinaFan@uiuc)
Subject: Re: Saturn's Pricing Policy
Article-I.D.: news.C51sMA.AnC
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cs012055@cs.brown.edu (Hok-Chung Tsang) writes:
>In article <C4vIr5.L3r@shuksan.ds.boeing.com>, fredd@shuksan (Fred Dickey) writes:
>|> CarolinaFan@uiuc (cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu) wrote:
>|> :
>|> : 	The biggest problem some people seem to be having is that Saturn
>|> : Dealers make ~$2K on a car.  I think most will agree with me that the car is
>|> : comparably priced with its competitors, that is, they aren't overpriced
>|> : compared to most cars in their class.  I don't understand the point of
>|> : arguing over whether the dealer makes the $2K or not?
>|>
>|> I have never understood what the big deal over dealer profits is either.
>|> The only thing that I can figure out is that people believe that if
>|> they minimize the dealer profit they will minimize their total out-of-pocket
>|> expenses for the car. While this may be true in some cases, I do not
>|> believe that it is generally true. I bought a Saturn SL in January of '92.
>|> AT THAT TIME, based on studying car prices, I decided that there was
>|> no comparable car that was priced as cheaply as the Saturn. Sure, maybe I
>|> could have talked the price for some other car to the Saturn price, but
>|> my out-of-pocket expenses wouldn't have been any different. What's important
>|> to me is how much money I have left after I buy the car. REDUCING DEALER PROFIT
>|> IS NOT THE SAME THING AS SAVING MONEY! Show me how reducing dealer profit
>|> saves me money, and I'll believe that it's important. My experience has
>|> been that reducing dealer profit does not necessarily save me money.
>|>
>|> Fred
>Say, you bought your Saturn at $13k, with a dealer profit of $2k.
>If the dealer profit is $1000, then you would only be paying $12k for
>the same car.  So isn't that saving money?
Yes.  But the point is that prices are competetive.  Saturn may
well be selling a car intended on giving the dealer a $2000 profit, but
since a comperable Honda with $500 profit is more expensive, it may be well
worth it to buy the Saturn.
>Moreover, if Saturn really does reduce the dealer profit margin by $1000,
>then their cars will be even better deals.  Say, if the price of a Saturn was
>already $1000 below market average for the class of cars, then after they
>reduce the dealer profit, it would be $2000 below market average.  It will:
>1) Attract even more people to buy Saturns because it would SAVE THEM MONEY.
>
>2) Force the competitors to lower their prices to survive.
>Now, not only will Saturn owners benefit from a lower dealer profit, even
>the buyers for other cars will pay less.
Not necessarily.  It seems to me that Saturn salesdroids, who don't
make a commision, whereas their counterparts at other dealerships generally
do, make more $$ per hour or whatever.  This means that Saturn doesn't give up
the profit to their employees through commision, which IS taken out of per-
car profits.  They just pass it along to less pressureing salesmen/women.
>Isn't that saving money?
Maybe.  Maybe not.  Depends on accounting practices.  I'd rather pay
more for dealer service that doesn't cut corners to contain costs...
>$0.02,
>doug.
$2/100
CKA
'87 (Carolina) Blue Honda Civic DX
--
Chintan Amin  The University of Illinois/Urbana Champaign mail: llama@uiuc.edu
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From: rgc3679@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert G. Carpenter)
Subject: Thinking About Buying Intrepid - Good or Bad Idea?
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I'm thinking of buying a new Dodge Intrepid - Has anyone had any
experiences that they'd like to share?
Thanks.
BobC
From: zowie@daedalus.stanford.edu (Craig "Powderkeg" DeForest)
Subject: Re: Quick question
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In-reply-to: ssave@ole.cdac.com's message of Mon, 5 Apr 1993 21:14:57 GMT
In article <foo> ssave@ole.cdac.com (The Devil Reincarnate) writes:
How do you take off the driver side door panel from the inside
on an '87 Honda Prelude?  The speaker went scratchy, and I want
to access its pins.
Why are you posting this tripe to rec.autos.vw?
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From: callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison)
Subject: Re: Spark Plug question?
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In article <mgolden.733994052@cwis> mgolden@cwis.unomaha.edu (Brian Golden) writes:
>  The nice thing about REAL platinum plugs is that you don't have to change
>them very often at all.  (I think like 50,000 miles!!)  They might cost $10
>each, but they would save for themselves in the long run.
My T-Bird SC's manual says to replace the platinum plugs every 60,000mi.
Wal-Mart has Autolite platinum plugs for $2.00 each. Are these "real"
platinum plugs? (I had Bosch platinums in my '80 Fiesta and my dad
had 'em in his '84 Bronco--note the keyword "had." They didn't last
very long (much less than 50,000mi) before they had to be replaced.
I agree that they weren't the greatest.)
James
James P. Callison    Microcomputer Coordinator, U of Oklahoma Law Center
Callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu   /\    Callison@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu
DISCLAIMER: I'm not an engineer, but I play one at work...
The forecast calls for Thunder...'89 T-Bird SC
"It's a hell of a thing, killing a man. You take away all he has
and all he's ever gonna have."
--Will Munny, "Unforgiven"
From: boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle)
Subject: Re: Did US drive on the left?
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In article <YfkBJQS00Uh_E9TFo_@andrew.cmu.edu> "Daniel U. Holbrook" <dh3q+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>>
>
[stuff about RHD deSoto's deleted]
>Well Sweden and Australia, and lord knows wherever else used to drive on
Australians still do drive on the "wrong" side of the road. I believe
Sweden changed in 1968. The way I heard it was that they swapped
all the traffic signs around one Sunday....
>the "wrong" side of the road, so the export market might have been
>larger then than just the UK.
>
Craig
From: ct22@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Constantino  Tobio)
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In article <1993Apr5.211457.12789@ole.cdac.com> ssave@ole.cdac.com (The Devil Reincarnate) writes:
> How do you take off the driver side door panel from the inside
>on an '87 Honda Prelude?  The speaker went scratchy, and I want
>to access its pins.
>
> I see only one press button and the rest is snug fit.
>
>
> -S
> ssave@ole.cdac.com
Quick question. Why are you posting this to a VW newsgroup?
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In article <1993Apr5.211457.12789@ole.cdac.com> ssave@ole.cdac.com (The Devil Reincarnate) writes:
> How do you take off the driver side door panel from the inside
>on an '87 Honda Prelude?  The speaker went scratchy, and I want
>to access its pins.
>
> I see only one press button and the rest is snug fit.
>
>
> -S
> ssave@ole.cdac.com
Quick question. Why are you posting this to a VW newsgroup?
Constantino Tobio, Jr.                              ** ct22@columbia.edu **
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Immense in my girth, erect I stand tall, I'm a nuclear murderer.
I am POLARIS!"      - Megadeth, "Rust in Peace"
From: mps1@cec1.wustl.edu (Mihir Pramod Shah)
Subject: Re: saturn -- puzzled by its pricing
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In article <1993Apr1.230642.5207@cbfsb.cb.att.com> ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu) writes:
>
>	I am the person who started out this subject.
>
>	To me, the question really is not about dealer profit but the
>	amount of money for the type of car. I've settled with a
>	new 92 Subaru Wagon with the similar amount of money a Saturn
>	dealer asked for a SW1. OK, I know it's a 92 model, but I think
>	I got a better car (though I have to adjust my initial idea of
>	why I am getting a new car).
>
>	Today, during a conversion with a friend, I learned he rejected
>	a Saturn for a Ford Tarurs; as it only costed him a little bit more
>	than a SL2. I may be wrong, but a loaded Tarus beats a Saturn SL2.
I agree that a fully-loaded SL2 would come close in price to a
LOWER-END Ford Taurus.  A FULLY-LOADED Taurus, on the other hand, would still
be substantially more expensive than even the most glitzy SL2.  A fully loaded
SL2 would run somewhere around $17,000, while a fully loaded Taurus LX would be
somewhere around the $22,000-$23,000 range.  A base Taurus (GL I believe) might
start around $15,000.  Of course there is the Taurus SHO which can push $30,000
if you really try, but this is a totally different car than your mainstream
Taurus sedan.  Your statement was not entirely faulty, just a little
inaccurate.
>
>	I can't see Saturn is of better value and that is why I was puzzled
>	by its pricings. Oh, we did not spend much time getting our deals;
>	being better informed has its advantages.
Well, that's ok.  At least you're not bitching about dealer profits like some
of the other netters are.  You seem to have rationally picked out the car that
is best for you.  The Loyale is an aging design that is about to be replaced by
the Impreza wagon, so you probably got a good deal on one of the last ones.
>
>	Then again, I may be wrong.
>
>Yung-Kao Hsu
>
Mihir Shah
mps1@cec1.wustl.edu
From: pp@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (peter.peng)
Subject: 1990 Integra LS for sale
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********* 1990 Integra LS for Sale *********
5 speed, sunroof, rear spoiler, new tires
59.7K miles
$ 7950 or best offer.
call 908-949-0878
908-938-4101
email att!hotsoup!peng
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From: lorenzo@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Eric Lorenzo)
Subject: Re: Integra GSR
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In article <1993Apr5.234729.100387@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> daz1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DEMOSTHENIS A. ZEPPOS) writes:
>Why don't you look again at Motor Trend's, slalom times, they are 67.9, right
>along with the Integra, and the car does that with small 14 inch tires that
>are all -weather XGTV4, not to mention that the Integra rides alot better than
>a Beretta.
My GS came with XGT V4s and they are NOT all weather tires.  I took
out my right front bumper sliding on packed snow (not ice), before I learned
this fact.  I immediately bought XGT H4s which are definately all-weather.
A Carrera 4 I walk by everyday has XGT V4s on it even.  The Michelin dealer
where I bought my new tires said the V4s were made out of a different
rubber that gets really hard and slick when the weather gets near feezing.
Said he'd only try to sell me those tires during the winter if we were in
Texas and not Colorado.
Thanks,
Eric
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From: m-it2691@DOC.CS.NYU.EDU (Tim Tsai)
Subject: AWD BMW
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Any truth to the rumor of an AWD 3-series for '94?  I believe
this info was published in either Popular Science or AutoWeek
a couple of months ago.
Also, a friend told me that BMW used to make an AWD 325 called
the 325ix.  I'd appreciate any info about this car too.  Thanks..
Thanks.
Tim
From: mps1@cec1.wustl.edu (Mihir Pramod Shah)
Subject: Re: Saturn performance(was Re: saturn -- puzzled by its pricing
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In article <4fjDcfu00iV2I9Kap_@andrew.cmu.edu> "Jason M. Roth" <jr4q+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>I can't imagine any Civic or Saturn owners flex'n there egos in stop light
>>races. It generates as much excitement as two nerds challenging each other
>>in a game of one-on-one basketball!!
>
>The SL2 does 0-60 in about 8.5; note that this is closer to a 968 than
>to a Paseo or Storm (pseudo-sporty cars). That's a ridiculous
>comparison, I know, but the point is that Saturns (and high-end Civics,
>for that matter) accelerate just fine, in fact better than most
>unimproved "muscle" cars of the 60s; 300 hp is great, but tied to 2
>tons, it just doesn't go that quick. Saturns, on the other hand, use 125
>hp tied to 2400 lbs with some short gearing to move very quickly off the
>line. Anyway....
>
>
>
While your 0-60 time is consistent with most car magazines and reports, I saw
the PBS MotorWeek show clock a 5-speed SL2 at 7.9 seconds.  I'm sure that most
SL2 owners will be VERY lucky to get this speed, but 7.9 seconds is still
astonishingly fast for a small 4-door.  A new Civic EX runs about 8.2 seconds
0-60, if I'm not mistaken.  Most cars in this class are lucky to be in the
9-second range.
Mihir Shah
From: eliot@stalfos.engr.washington.edu (eliot)
Subject: Re: AWD BMW
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in europe you can buy a 525iX, with computer controlled diffs rather
than the horrid viscous coupled ones of the outgoing 325iX.
eliot
From: kega@celsiustech.se (Kent Gabrin)
Subject: Re: Did US drive on the left?
Organization: CelsiusTech AB
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In article <1993Apr6.060553.22453@cactus.org> boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) writes:
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>>Well Sweden and Australia, and lord knows wherever else used to drive on
>Australians still do drive on the "wrong" side of the road. I believe
>Sweden changed in 1968. The way I heard it was that they swapped
>all the traffic signs around one Sunday....
As I live in Sweden I remember the day perfectly well. We changed
side 1967-09-03 (or 03-SEP-1967). I don't remeber the exactly time but
it was in the night. (in the 'big' cities like Stockholm & Gothenburg
all trafic was forbidden, exept busses and taxis, during the whole
weekend.) The day was a Sunday and everything was prepared in before.
Before the day we was told to follow the yellow lines on the road and
after it was the white one that matters. The signs with arrows on was
prepared with a 'left mode' label that was torn off that night to
reveal the new right mode arrow.
The year after Iceland also changed.
About cars: Before the H-day (H as in "Hoegertrafik". "hoeger" is
Swedish and stands for 'right') practically all cars already had their
steering wheels on the left side. Even the imported cars from UK had
the wheel on 'the right side'. At last we have cars with the wheels on
the right side. :-)
More contries that uses the left side is:
Japan
Tanzania (I think)
New Zeeland
How about South Africa?
BTW. Some sais that the left side is the right side because Ivanhoe
and other knights meet at the left when they fight in tournaments. :-)
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From: boyle@bbsls23.bnr (Ian Boyle)
Subject: Re: What is " Volvo " ?
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> And all of these cars are driven fairly hard. None of them are at the head of
> a line of cars going 30 MPH....the first two spend a lot of their operating
> life with the speedometer pegged...and the only reason the 84 doesn't is it has
> a 120 MPH speedo...
> What I want to know is....have all you people who hate Volvos been traumatized
> by someone in a 745 Turbo wagon blowing you away on the road, or what?
740 Turbo in UK was good for 124mph. Useful for blowing away VW Beetles, though I
believe the Beetle corners better.
I can say without any doubt that I have never been blown away by any Volvo, ever.
I've been blocked into a few car parks though by shit-head Volvo owners who 'only thought they'd be a few minutes'. This does not happen with the owners of any other makes of car.
Not sure how long the small shit-box Volvos last - too damn long. The worst car I ever drove was a hired 340. In power, handling and ride it was reminiscent of something
from the 50s, without the character. The 340 only ceased production a couple of years back. I've only been a passenger in the big Volvos, but that was enough. I ought to go
for a test drive because they offer some neat gifts.
From: jdmooney@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (John D. Mooney)
Subject: Re: anti-theft devices
Organization: Delco Electronics Corp.
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Originator: jdmooney@koinsv02
In article <99948@rphroy.ph.gmr.com>, rhaar@gmr.com (Bob Haar) writes:
> In article 3056@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com, jdmooney@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (John D. Mooney) writes:
> |>
> |>Someone writes:
> |>>
> |>> BTW, somebody stole the front grille off my beat-up 1983 Nissan Sentra
> |>> a few weeks ago!  I couldn't believe it.  I'm just driving around
> |>> without it now.
> |>
> |>Years ago, my brother lived in a ROUGH area....  he left his NOVA
> |>parked on the street in FRONT of his house for a few days.....
> |>one day he went to move it back into the driveway, it wouldn't start....
> |>
> |>Seems some industrious fool needed a NOVA GAS TANK..... the fool found
> |>one under my brothers car.
> |>
>
> The engines in VW Beatles are quite easy to remove without entering the car
> or even opening the engine compartment. How would you like to find that
> your car wouldn't start because the engine was stolen?
>
I would probobly feel a hell of a lot poorer...   a gas tank is about
50$ in a junkyard.   An engine... more!
Seriously though, my other brother, DARRELL, left his VW on the same
street...  someone stole the radiator out of it....  try finding a VW
radiator in a junkyard  :-)    I DARE YOU !
JD
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From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Subject: Re: bullet proof luxury sedans
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In article <1pnigoINN5in@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> chsu@mtl.mit.edu (Charles H. Hsu) writes:
>I am interested to find out if there is any domestic car manufacturer
>(especially GM and FORD) which produces "bullet-proof" luxury sedans.
I understand Caddy is working on one, double battery, super high perf
engine, more gauges, a bit 'stretched', etc, lots of communication equipment,
the works. Color selection is limited though.
The problem is that the guy at 1600 Penn. Avenue is about to get it
(Pres. Clinton) (Last time it was a Lincoln, this time a Caddy).
>I am just wondering if this so-called "bullet-proof" (perhaps reinforced
>windows, special materials for the body/engine/etc.) luxury car - Lincoln
>and Cadillac models - is readily available to the public.
Not to my knowledge; I know GM does conversion work for things like
hot climates (i.e. the Chevy Caprices sold to the Middle East) but
things like that are always done by third parties, NOT the manufacturer.
Maybe you will need to buy a specific package that has beefed-up everything,
perhaps the police cruiser package on the Caprice/Crown Vic and start from
there.
>Do we have
>to go through any special dealership to obtain these cars?  I would really
>like to hear from anyone who has experience with the "bullet-proof" cars.
"And I wuz drivin' along in my armored Seville STS and this punk pulls out
of nowhere with an RPG (Rocket Propelled Grenade) but the bulletproof
windshield stopped him" :-) Don't think many people on the net have a need
for bulletproof cars.
Check with local armored service companies/security/bodyguard places. They'd
know best. I think your average luxury car dealer will have a coronary if
you told them "I'll take the blue Caprice, with options FZ01 (Fuzzy Dice),
PR11 (power everything), and AR007 (Armor).
>Any information regarding the dealers and after-market shops that have
>"bullet-proof" Lincoln's and Cadillac's is greatly appreciated.  You may
>email me at chsu@mtl.mit.edu or post the message in this newsgroup if
>you believe other netters might be interested as well.  BTW, same information
>on Mercedes-Benz, BMW, Lexus, and Infiniti luxury sedans is needed
>as well if you have it.
I believe an article on the conversion process appeared in the car press within
the last few months.
Spiros
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From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Subject: Re: top 10 reasons why i love CR (not for the humor impaired)
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In article <C4wJGq.A40@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) writes:
>No. At six years, you are nearing the end of the design life of the
>vehicle, when everything should be breaking. At that point, the
>driving habits make more difference than the actual reliability
>of the vehicle, so the data becomes unreliable for drawing conclusions,
Bad driving habits can damage a car in a couple of months, not 6 years.
If that were not the case, everyone would be driving fleet rental re-solds...
And while you are considering things (factors in stat terms), how about
city vs. highway driving ratios, owner vs. dealer service, extreme weather
or environment, adherence (sp?) to maintenance schedules, whether the car
has ever been in an accident, number of different drivers of the same car
in a family, whether the car is garaged, warmed up, ...
Spiros
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Spiros Triantafyllopoulos                    c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com
Software Technology, Delco Electronics       (317) 451-0815
GM Hughes Electronics, Kokomo, IN 46904      [A Different Kind of Disclaimer]
From: tobias@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Tobias)
Subject: Re: Most bang for between $13,000 and $16,000
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In rec.autos, CPKJP@vm.cc.latech.edu (Kevin Parker) writes:
>   I'd like to get some feedback on a car with most bang for the buck in the
>$13000 to 16,000 price range. I'm looking for a car with enough civility to be
>driven every day, or even on long trips, but when I hit the gas, I want to feel
>some acceleration.  Handling is important also, as are reliability and pretty
>low maintenance costs.  A stylish appearance is nice, but I don't want a car
>that is all show and not much go.  Even though many of the imports are fast, I
>don't really want a turbo, and I never have cared for the song sung by a four
>clyinder.  I'd prefer a v6 or v8 for the engine.  If you have any suggestions,
>Kevin Parker
There's only one car that really fits your needs. It's spelled:
5.0 LITER MUSTANG
From: finnegan@invader.navo.navy.mil (Kenneth Finnegan)
Subject: Re: 5W30, 10W40, or 20W50
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As an additional data point, I have run Castrol 20W50 exclusively
in the following cars: 75 Rabbit, 78 Scirocco, 76 Rabbit, 78 Bus,
70 Beetle, 76 Bus, 86 Jetta GLI.  I've never had an oil-related
problem.
Disclaimer:  It gets mighty hot down here.
Kenneth
finnegan@navo.navy.mil
From: jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost)
Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time
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dunnjj@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (DUNN  JONATHAN JAMES) writes:
>ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) writes:
>>Cup holders (driving is an importantant enough undertaking)
>This is a good idea - so you can carry your (non-alcoholic) drinks without
>spilling or having someone hold on to them.
I agree.  Six hour long stretches behind the wheel really make me
thirsty, especially for something with caffeine.  I consider it a
failing of my car that it has no cup holder nor anywhere to put a cup
holder.
jim frost
jimf@centerline.com
From: jahonen@cc.lut.fi (Jarmo Ahonen)
Subject: Re: What is " Volvo " ?
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boyle@bbsls23.bnr (Ian Boyle) writes:
>740 Turbo in UK was good for 124mph. Useful for blowing away VW Beetles, though I
>believe the Beetle corners better.
>I can say without any doubt that I have never been blown away by any Volvo, ever.
>I've been blocked into a few car parks though by shit-head Volvo owners who 'only thought they'd be a few minutes'. This does not happen with the owners of any other makes of car.
>Not sure how long the small shit-box Volvos last - too damn long. The worst car I ever drove was a hired 340. In power, handling and ride it was reminiscent of something
>from the 50s, without the character. The 340 only ceased production a couple of years back. I've only been a passenger in the big Volvos, but that was enough. I ought to go
>for a test drive because they offer some neat gifts.
Oh, well... I have to admit that the most disgusting feature of
Volvo's is their marketing. It looks like Volvo uses something like
"Do you dare to risk your family in any car?" attitude, which is quite
annoying in the long run.
But now Volvo has produced a new  good car, the Volvo 850. Front drive,
2.4 L 20 valves motor, completely new chassis etc. Even the British magazine
"CAR" liked it (and believe me, that is quite much for a Volvo). And
the American magazine "Road & Track" said that "This is not your uncle
Olof's car", and in a positive sense.
But in any case, I'd still like to own the 960 estate. Strong, tank-like
chassis, 3.0L inline six, rear drive. :-) :-)
BTW, the only car drivers who have blocked me are Land Rover or Jaguar
drivers... :-) :-) :-) :-)
What? You mean what I drive? A cheapo Japanese (a Toyota) of course,
I do not have money for a *car*. (like BMW, Merc, Jaguar, Saab 9000,
Volvo 850 (or 960), etc)
If I had the money, I would have *bad* problems deciding which one
to buy :-) :-) :-).
From: etxmst@sta.ericsson.se (Markus Strobl 98121)
Subject: Re: Photo radar (was Re: rec.autos: Frequently
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In article 2211@viewlogic.com, brad@buck.viewlogic.com (Bradford Kellogg) writes:
>
>In article <1993Mar20.050303.8401@cabot.balltown.cma.COM>, welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty) writes:
>
>|> Q:  What is Ka band radar?  Where is it used?  Should a radar detector be
>|>     able to handle it?
>|>
>|> A:  Ka band has recently been made available by the FCC for use in the US
>|>     in so-called photo-radar installations.  In these installations, a
>|>     low-powered beam is aimed across the road at a 45 degree angle to the
>|>     direction of traffic, and a picture is taken of vehicles which the
>|>     radar unit determines to have been in violation of the speed limit.
>|>     Tickets are mailed to the owner of the vehicle.  Because of the low
>|>     power and the 45 degree angle, many people believe that a radar
>|>     detector cannot give reasonable warning of a Ka band radar unit,
>|>     although some manufacturers of radar detectors have added such
>|>     capability anyway.  The number of locales where photo-radar is in use
>|>     is limited, and some question the legality of such units.  Best advice:
>|>     learn what photo radar units look like, and keep track of where they
>|>     are used (or else, don't speed.)
>
>Photo radar and mailed tickets make no sense at all. Speeding is a moving
>violation, committed by the operator, not the owner. The owner may be a
>rental agency, a dealer, a private party, or a government agency. As long
>as the owner has no reason to expect the operator will be driving illegally
>or unsafely, the owner cannot be held responsible for what the operator does.
>The car may even have been driven without the owner's knowledge or consent.
>I can't believe a mailed ticket, where the driver is not identified, would
>stand up in court. This is obviously a lazy, cynical, boneheaded, fascist
>way to extort revenue, and has nothing to do with public safety.
>
>- BK
>
We had those f*****g photo-radar things here in Sweden a while ago.
There was a lot of fuzz about them, and a lot of sabotage too (a spray-can
with touch-up paint can do a lot of good...).
Eventually they had to drop the idea as there were a lot of court-cases
where the owner of the car could prove he didn't drive it at the time
of speeding.
I especially recall a case where it eventually proved to be a car-thief that
had stolen a car and made false plates. He, ofcourse, chose a license number
of a identical car, so the photo seemed correct...
In conclosion: Photo-radar sucks, every way you look at it!
/ Markus
From: eric@sad.hp.com (Eric Lucas)
Subject: Clifford Delta car alarm?
Organization: HP Sonoma County (SRSD/MWTD/MID)
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Just found a great deal on a Clifford Delta car alarm, $450 installed.
Comes with glass break sensor, motion detector, and shock detector.  Does
anyone have one of these alarms?  Are they any good?  From the looks of it, its
about the best on the market for the price.  It's also on sale, so that's
another reason to get it.  I think I'll be saving almost $200.  Any opinions?
Eric Lucas
From: Sang-Yoon Oh <so0z+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Jeep Grand vs. Toyota 4-Runner
Organization: Junior, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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>In article <1pq29p$29p@seven-up.East.Sun.COM>
jfox@hooksett.East.Sun.COM >writes:
>>
>>Any reason you are limited to the two mentioned? They aren't really at
>>the same point along the SUV spectrum - not to mention price range.
>>How about the Explorer, Trooper, Blazer, Montero, and if the budget
>>allows, the Land Cruiser?
>
>Any advice on HOW to buy a Land Cruiser? My local Toyota dealer says they
>get two a year, and if I want one I can just get on the waiting list.
>Forget about a test drive or even kicking the tires.
>And if they are that rare, I doubt there is much of a parts inventory on
hand.
Land Crusier is just simply nice with shit-load of power and room.
Fully stocked, it cost ~$40,000.  I think it is worth the money.
Only problem is when you get into accident(it doesn't usually break down
unless you forget to get a oil change for 30000 miles or something
stupid like this), body parts and other parts are very hard to locate.
Parts are over priced also.  One of my friend had accident in past snow
storm and he is still waiting for front bumper and passenger side fender.
Well, if you test drive Land Cruiser, all other SUV look like toys.
One of magazine writer called it "Land Bruiser".
If you have $40,000 to spare for SUV, get Land Cruiser and forget Lange Rover.
--Sang
From: jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen)
Subject: Re: Integra GSR
Article-I.D.: magnus.1993Apr6.143853.11641
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In article <1993Apr6.035020.16730@cactus.org> boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) writes:
>miles, a rare screw up by Honda.
>Both the GTZ and GSR are flawed cars. The performance enthusiasts would take
>the GTZ and the CR purchase would be the GSR.
>
The CR purchase would be the Ford Probe GT.
john
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From: tomh@metrics.com (Tom Haapanen)
Subject: Re: top 10 reasons why i love CR (not for the humor impaired)
Organization: Software Metrics Inc.
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CHINTS@ISCS.NUS.SG writes:
> Here are "another" ten reasons why we should all love CR
> 10. Car salesmen love their new car buying service
> [...]
> 7. Car Salesmen/rec.auto readers turned into "expert" statistics critics
> [...]
> 5. Lucky owners of CR unreliable cars who say "Mine never had a problem"
> 4. Those same owners joining the sceptics a few months later
> 3. And later subscribing to CR and taking it soooo seriously
> 2. And later on buying a CR "idealized family sedan"
And my number 1:
1. The spectacle of the religious fervour of the CR "true believers".
--
[ /tom haapanen -- tomh@metrics.com -- software metrics inc -- waterloo, ont ]
[       "stick your index fingers into both corners of your mouth.  now pull ]
[          up.  that's how the corrado makes you feel."  -- car, january '93 ]
From: charlesw@sail.LABS.TEK.COM (Charles Wilson)
Subject: Re: Experience/opinions sought, diesel engines
Article-I.D.: sail.13600
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.
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In article <91321@hydra.gatech.EDU> jkg@jmp.com writes:
>Apologies if this is a FAQ (is there a FAQ posting for this group? I
>am an infrequent reader of rec.autos, so I can't remember).
>
>I am in the market for a used Chevy Suburban, and have observed that
>prices for models with diesel engines run about $1000-2000 less than
>comparable models with a gas engine.
>
>There has to be a reason for this.
>
Yes, there is:  consumer confusion.  In the early 80's with the
fuel crisis, etc., everyone wanted better fuel mileage.  Diesel fuel
was the cheapest fuel available and usually provides better mileage
than comparable gasoline engines.  So, GM decided to conver their
350 gas engine into a diesel engine (I think was a 5.7 liter).  Big
mistake.  The engine was not redesigned, but converted.  The engine
could not handle the higher compression, etc.  Lots of problems with
these cars.  This thew up a big red flag to the casual observer --
DON"T BUY A DIESEL.  THEY ARE BAD.  This was a gross generalization.
Ask yourself this question -- if your livelihood depended on driving,
LOTS of it, would you use a dependable or undependable (but cheaper
in the short run) vehicle?  What do Greyhound busses have in them?
Trailer Trucks?  Even Train Locomotives?  Are these gasoline engines?
No, they are diesel.  Tractor trailer truck manufacturers provide a
500,000 mile warrantee with they vehicles.
I own an `82 Diesel Suburban.  The 6.2L diesel is a GREAT engine.
Just keeps going.  It was more expensive (when new) than the gasoline
engine vehicle was.  The only problem with diesel engines is that
when they need to be rebuilt, they are expensive.  In a gas 350
engine, you will pay about $1000 for a rebuild.  Diesel 6.2L is about
$2000.  But then again, the diesel engine lasts about twice as long
and gets about 50% better mileage.  A carburator for a gasoline engine
costs about $100 to rebuild (or less).  A rebuild of the fuel injection
pump on a diesel will cost about $500 (or more).  But then again,
you never need a tune-up.
If you're looking at a rebuilt 6.2L, I'd say you got a great deal.
Check to see if the fuel injection pump was rebuilt also.
Good luck.
From: jwg@sedv1.acd.com ( Jim Grey)
Subject: Re: Necessity of fuel injector cleaning by dealership
Organization: Hell
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In article <1993Apr2.174850.6289@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> prm@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (paul.r.mount) writes:
>
>In your experience, how true is it that a fuel injector cleaning
>will do much more good than just using detergent gas.   While I
>agree that a clogged fuel injector would darken my day, how clogged
>do they get, and is $59 a good price (or can I do it myself by buying
>a can of ____ (what?) and doing ___ what?
A "fuel injector cleaning" at the dealer is probably little more than
them opening your gas tank, dumping in a bottle of fuel injector cleaner,
and sending you on your merry way $59 poorer.  Go to KMart and buy the
cleaner yourself for $1.29.
Just because you dealer sez you need it, don't mean it's necessarily so.
Be suspicious.
jim grey
jwg@acd4.acd.com
From: tommy@boole.att.com (Tommy Reingold)
Subject: RFD: rec.autos.saab
Article-I.D.: rodan.1psb8qINNbb2
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Holmdel, NJ, USA
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REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION
This is a request for discussion on the creation of a newsgroup
concerning Saab cars.  It will allow participaants to exchange
information on purchasing, maintaining, repairing, and outfitting
Saabs.
Group Name:
rec.autos.saab
Status:
Unmoderated
Rationale:
There may be enough people with Saab cars or interested in
buying a Saab or interested in knowing more about Saabs for any
reason to justify such a new newsgroup.  The recent growth of
the net could improve the turnaround time between posing a
question and receiving answers from the community.
Discussion:
Comments on this proposed new newsgroup should be posted to the
USENET Newsgroup "news.groups".  If the reader is not able to
do so, comments may be e-mailed to the proposer, at the address
below.
Voting:
If no problems arise, voting will start 1 month from the
posting date of this RFD.
Proposer:
Tommy Reingold          tommy@boole.att.com
--
Tommy Reingold
AT&T Bell Labs, Holmdel, NJ
tommy@boole.att.com or att!boole!tommy
From: andyh@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Andrew J. Huang)
Subject: Re: AudiWatch Update (Tm) #11
Organization: Brandeis University
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In article <1993Apr2.194838.13476@news.cs.brandeis.edu> andyh@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Andrew J. Huang) writes:
>In article <1993Apr2.181037.11188@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> bqueiser@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Brian J Queiser) writes:
>>powell@interlan.interlan.com (Glen D. Powell) writes:
>>The kind of corporate raiding apparently undertaken by VW is shameful.
>
>Agreed.  However, the particular execs had been working with Iggy for
>many years and had left GM Europe to go to Detroit.  With their raison
>-andy
I was out of date.  VW is stealing execs directly from Opel,
independent of Lopez.  Shameful.
-andy
From: andyh@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Andrew J. Huang)
Subject: Re: Quick question
Keywords: Removing panels.
Organization: Brandeis University
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In article <1993Apr5.211457.12789@ole.cdac.com> ssave@ole.cdac.com (The Devil Reincarnate) writes:
> How do you take off the driver side door panel from the inside
>on an '87 Honda Prelude?  The speaker went scratchy, and I want
>to access its pins.
>
There is something going on here.  It seems that once a month, the VW
group must have get a specific detailed question about Hondas.  I
would like to ask that next month we get one about Hyundai instead of
Honda.  Thank you.
-andy
From: mwbg9715@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark Wayne Blunier)
Subject: Re: male/female mystery [ Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time ]
Article-I.D.: news.C52M5t.n55
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
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bets@chester.ksu.ksu.edu (Beth Schwindt) writes:
>>This has me thinking.  Is there a biological reason why women can't put
>>their keys in their pants pockets like men do?  I have two pockets on the
>>back of each of my pants.  I put my keys in one and wallent in another.
>>Many of the pockets even have a botton on them so I can close them securely.
>>Everything is that much simpler for me.  Why can't women do the same?
>>Is is biological (ie, not enough room for a bigger bottom plus keys and
>>a wallet) or is it the way they are raised by the parents?
>I've found that it has to do with the way women's clothes are made.
>If you put keys in the front pocket of women's jeans or slacks, you
>get a bulge that also tends to make it impossible to sit down because
>they stick you constantly.  ditto in the back pocket.
>Also, try *looking* at the back pockets of women's jeans and compare
>them to the back pockets on men's jeans.  They are usually (if you buy
>jeans that you expect to last for any length of time) about half the
>size.  There flat out isn't *room* for a wallet or a bunch of keys.
>Besides which, where would men put all their crap if their wives
>didn't carry purses? :-)
The same place single men do, wallet in back pocket, comb in other
back pocket, keys in front pocket, knive in other from pocket, pen
in shirt pocket, or front pants pocket.  Or do married men start
carrying around a bunch of stuff to keep there women happy?
>Beth
Mark B.
From: dbak@elm.lle.rochester.edu (Douglas Baker)
Subject: Performance of new Mustangs !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Article-I.D.: galileo.1993Apr6.170901.7684
Organization: University of Rochester, Rochester NY
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Does anyone know the performance ratings for a 1992 or 1993
5.0 L HO Mustang LX like the 0-60 time 1/4 mile and top end ???
Also can you tell me which magazine where these #'s come from so I
can look them up if possable ????  If you could the year and month and
eveen page # if you have it.
Thanks,
Doug
Organization: Penn State University
From: <RSM2@psuvm.psu.edu>
Subject: US-Made M-B SUV
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Mercedes-Benz announced yesterday its plans to begin building sport-utility
vehicles in the US by 1997.  They are targeted at the Jeep Grand Cherokee
et al. and will reportedly sell for less than $30,000.
Did anyone see a picture?   Is it the G-wagon (Gelaendewagen) currently
available in Europe (and in the US by grey-market) or is it an entirely new
vehicle?  Any details would be appreciated.
Dick Meyer
Applied Research Laboratory, Penn State
From: keys@starchild.ncsl.nist.gov (Lawrence B. Keys)
Subject: Re: US-Made M-B SUV
Article-I.D.: dove.C52KE9.D6n
Organization: National Institute of Standards & Technology
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In article <93096.101507RSM2@psuvm.psu.edu> <RSM2@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>Mercedes-Benz announced yesterday its plans to begin building sport-utility
>vehicles in the US by 1997.  They are targeted at the Jeep Grand Cherokee
>et al. and will reportedly sell for less than $30,000.
>
>Did anyone see a picture?   Is it the G-wagon (Gelaendewagen) currently
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
There is a picture in the May 1993 edition of European Car (although,
it may not be on the shelf yet).
Some things that the article says:
- prototype has front wheel drive (first front drive
for Mercedes since the beginning of WWII)
- wheelbase 3.15m
- 7 seater
- they claim that the price will be about the same as a
Renault Espace or Chrysler Voyager (DM 50,000)
Looking at the picture (slightly disguised) it looks like the Ford
Aerostar, to me.
>available in Europe (and in the US by grey-market) or is it an entirely new
>vehicle?  Any details would be appreciated.
>
>Dick Meyer
>Applied Research Laboratory, Penn State
.
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From: ari@leland.Stanford.EDU (Ari Ollikainen)
Subject: Re: 5W30, 10W40, or 20W50
Article-I.D.: morrow.1psg9cINNn86
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In article <jgladu-060493121851@128.249.27.63> jgladu@bcm.tmc.edu (grungy/John F. Gladu) writes:
>In article <1993Apr6.130550.13550@cs.tulane.edu>,
>finnegan@invader.navo.navy.mil (Kenneth Finnegan) wrote:
>>
>> As an additional data point, I have run Castrol 20W50 exclusively
>> in the following cars: 75 Rabbit, 78 Scirocco, 76 Rabbit, 78 Bus,
>> 70 Beetle, 76 Bus, 86 Jetta GLI.  I've never had an oil-related
>> problem.
>
>Add mine to that list:  '71,'72 SuperBeetles; '68,'69 Bugs; '61 dddPanel;
>(cringe) '87 Toyota Tercel (It's my WIFE's car, honest:-).  I'm still
>chicken about running it in the '90 Vanagon - that's got Castrol 10W40 in
>it.
I don't understand this last statement about the '90Vanagon...Our '90Vanagon
Owner's Manual RECOMMENDS 20W50 !!
Ari Ollikainen(former VW fanatic: 62Bug, 62Bug+Porschepower, 64.5Porsche356SC,
68BugAuto-Stick, 69Camper, 71Camper, 73Westfalia, 73VWPorsche914/2.0,
81Westfalia, 85Vanagon, 85Westfalia...and now only 90VanagonCarat)
From: U09579@uicvm.uic.edu
Subject: 1989 Honda CRX for sale
Article-I.D.: uicvm.93096.123925U09579
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center
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My friend, David Gordon wants to sell his 1989 Honda. Some of the details of th
e car are as follows:
Five speed
A/c, AM/FM/Cassette stereo
ps/pb
Rear window defroster
EXCELLENT CONDITION
Asking 6400.00 OBO.
Please call him at (708) 257-0518.
From: sekell@bb1t.monsanto.com
Subject: Re: Necessity of fuel injector cleaning by dealership
Article-I.D.: bb1t.1993Apr6.125537.1
Organization: Monsanto Company, St. Louis, MO
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In article <1993Apr6.131018.12873@acd4.acd.com>, jwg@sedv1.acd.com ( Jim Grey) writes:
> In article <1993Apr2.174850.6289@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> prm@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (paul.r.mount) writes:
>>
>>In your experience, how true is it that a fuel injector cleaning
>>will do much more good than just using detergent gas.   While I
>
> A "fuel injector cleaning" at the dealer is probably little more than
> them opening your gas tank, dumping in a bottle of fuel injector cleaner,
> and sending you on your merry way $59 poorer.  Go to KMart and buy the
> cleaner yourself for $1.29.
This should not be the case if they are at all reputable. Fuel injector
cleaning is done properly with a can of injector cleaner solvent which is
hooked up to the fuel system under high pressure. The car is actually run on
the solvent during the cleaning process. The equipment to properly do this is
pricey, and generally not something the average home mechanic has. The solvent
itself is not very expensive ($5-$8) and you could probably make up a hose to
fit your system and do it yourself, but I didn't tell you that... :-)
Not many in-tank cleaners are worth wasting your money on. There has been a
discussion of these products on here from time to time, and Chevron Techron
(not Pro-Gard with Techron) is generally regarded as the best. It is, however,
a bit more than $1.29 a bottle. IMHO, it will not substitute for proper
injector cleaning if they are really crudded up. You'll have to decide if the
$59 price is a better deal than spending your time and/or buying equipment to
do it.
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From: nill.toulme@datadim.uu.holonet.net (Nill Toulme)
Subject: used Taurus SHO purchase
Article-I.D.: datadim.274.332.uupcb
Reply-To: nill.toulme@datadim.uu.holonet.net (Nill Toulme)
Distribution: world
Organization: The Data Dimension PCBoard - Norcross, GA - 404-921-1186
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Quoting Jeffrey J. Nucciarone's (nucci@microwave.gsfc.nasa.gov) article
<C4G8Hv.Cs4@skates.gsfc.nasa.gov> of 04-06-93, in pertinent part:
JJ>   I am considering buying a used '90 Taurus SHO.  The car in
JJ> question has 37k miles. I took it for a test drive the other day
JJ> and a few questions came up.
JJ>
JJ> . . .
JJ>   Second, is there anything I should specifically look for in an
JJ> SHO of this vintage? Anything I should specifically ask abt?
JJ> (Brakes, cluthch, etc.)  I noticed on the drive the clutch engagemen
JJ> point seemed a little high; since all my other cars are auto-tragics
JJ> I'm not sure abt this point. I had my foot firmly planted on the
JJ> brake when I started it up. There was a bit of a pop in the pedal
JJ> soon after the engine started. This also occured on a few T-bird SC'
JJ> I test drove. Was this the ABS self test?
Brake rotors and the clutch are the main things.  There has been a clutch
replacement program; you might check to see if the car is still eligible,
as it is a change well worth making.  You can also swap the cruddy cable
shifter for the newer rod shifter, also a change worth making, but that'll
cost you some $$.
My brakes usually do one wibble-wobble on startup, so that is probably
normal.  Didn't know they had a self-test, that's interesting.
What kind of tires does the car have on it?
---
* WinQwk 2.0b#131 * For a good time dial 7000 on your SHO. *
From: mobasser@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu (Bijan Mobasseri)
Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time
Article-I.D.: vu-vlsi.C52FrE.8qF
Organization: Villanova University
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>My '66 Ford has vent windows operated by a crank, just like a window
>(only it opened out, like a normal vent window). My '70 F100, my
>dad's '84 Bronco, and pretty much every truck I've seen that's
>worth riding in has vent windows.
>
>Does that mean that I'm not a young feller anymore? :-)
>
>				James
>
>James P. Callison    Microcomputer Coordinator, U of Oklahoma Law Center
I don't understand the fascination with vent windows. They create a tremendous
turbulence and noise that makes even a simple connversation impossible at
speeds above 40mph. The current flow-throuh ventilation, if designed right,
are far more superior.
Bijan
From: mobasser@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu (Bijan Mobasseri)
Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time
Article-I.D.: vu-vlsi.C52G2H.8uC
Organization: Villanova University
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Not exactly dumb, but who remebers the tachometer on the 69 or 70 Firebird
bulging out of the _hood_ right in front of the driver. Neat place but I love
to know what the elemnts did to its internals after a few years. Also, does
the speedomete pointer on many US cars have to be 3 feet long?.
Bijan
From: hacker@cco.caltech.edu (Jonathan Bruce Hacker)
Subject: Re: Was "Re: Safety": From how far can you see a car ?
Article-I.D.: gap.1psle4INNkm2
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ssave@ole.cdac.com (The Devil Reincarnate) writes:
>>.... These
>>lit up cars make non-illuminated things LESS visible (like pedistrians and
>>bikes). Hopefully we're not going to mandate DRL's for people and bikes
>>too.
Well, DRL's are already mandatory for motorcycles...
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From: jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen)
Subject: Re: top 10 reasons why i love CR (not for the humor impaired)
Article-I.D.: magnus.1993Apr6.194738.20021
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In article <1993Apr6.185328.24947@news.cs.brandeis.edu> andyh@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Andrew J. Huang) writes:
>In article <1993Apr6.180456.17573@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen) writes:
>>In article <1993Apr06.133319.7008@metrics.com> tomh@metrics.com (Tom Haapanen) writes:
>>>CHINTS@ISCS.NUS.SG writes:
>>>> Here are "another" ten reasons why we should all love CR
>>
>>Or the spectacle of "Macho Real Men" who would never bother to read the
>>magazine but are more than apt to criticize it.
>>
>
>But that's the point.  We _do_ read it, or at least we did.  Then we
>found that their recommendations were useless and uninformed.  Then we
>write lists.  The CR flame war is so easy to start because they are so
>wrong and claim to be so right and so thorough.
>
>-andy
>
>
Ok if you are so right, name a few good examples that were brought up.
john
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"To you Baldrick, the Renaissance was just /\  __ \ /\  ___\ /\ \/\ \
something that happened to other people,   \ \ \/\ \\ \___  \\ \ \_\ \
wasn't it?" - The Black Adder               \ \_____\\/\_____\\ \_____\
From: behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: CAR INSURANCE !!! HELP
Article-I.D.: research.1993Apr6.193221.27234
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In article <C4x6yq.5L4@news.claremont.edu> ochaine@jarthur.claremont.edu (Ollie 'North' Chaine) writes:
>
>HELP! my car insurance has been cancelled for the second time in a row!
>I still haven't gotten in touch with my agent from AAA because "she's
>out for the week" but my mom said that I got a call saying that my insurance
>was going to be cancelled because of an accident ( not even a fender-bender)
>that was never declared or anything. Besides the fact that i have no idea how they found out about this, the only
>other thing that could bug them is that I have 1 ticket but I told them
>about it and they said that it wasn't a problem.
>If I go to another insurance, I know I will end up paying more (b/c I already
>shopped around for this one) and I can't afford to pay for the insurance
>especially since I still haven't gotten the $3000 the two insuance companies
>are supposed to refund me. I just got a new Saturn SL2 and can't afford the
>car payments and the insurance, but I bought the car having gotten a QUOTE
>from State Farm which they later went back on.
>PLEASE HELP ME! what legal rights do I have? Can I make State Farm who originally
>gave me the quote give me that rate (they made a mistake after I signed all
>the papers, I did not give any false evidence)? How can I get my money back
>for the car if I can't pay for the insurance? I'm deperate!!!
>						Ollie
I just went through this mess in New Jersey (I'm still waiting for a
refund as well), namely, that the original company made a mistake and left me
in the lurch.  My recourse was through NJ's insurance dept. Office of Consumer
Protection.  You should have a similar office in your state.  Make use of it.
Good luck,
--
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC	  1991 ZX-11 - pending delivery
agree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.
From: finnegan@invader.navo.navy.mil (Kenneth Finnegan)
Subject: Re: top 10 reasons why i love CR (not for the humor impaired)
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In article <1993Apr6.180456.17573@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen) writes:
|> In article <1993Apr06.133319.7008@metrics.com> tomh@metrics.com (Tom Haapanen) writes:
|> >CHINTS@ISCS.NUS.SG writes:
|> >> Here are "another" ten reasons why we should all love CR
|> >> 10. Car salesmen love their new car buying service
|> >> 2. And later on buying a CR "idealized family sedan"
|> >
|> >And my number 1:
|> >
|> >1. The spectacle of the religious fervour of the CR "true believers".
|>
|> Or the spectacle of "Macho Real Men" who would never bother to read the
|> magazine but are more than apt to criticize it.
Hey, I'm a "Macho Real Man" and I DO read it.  So I can criticize
it all I want, especially since I pay for the publication. (They
accept no outside advertising, don't you know....)
|> John Nielsen   MAGNUS Consultant            ______   ______   __  __
|> "To you Baldrick, the Renaissance was just /\  __ \ /\  ___\ /\ \/\ \
|> something that happened to other people,   \ \ \/\ \\ \___  \\ \ \_\ \
|> wasn't it?" - The Black Adder               \ \_____\\/\_____\\ \_____\
Relying on Consumer Reports to pick your automobiles is like
letting Field & Stream select your living room furniture.
Kenneth
finnegan@navo.navy.mil
From: andrew@frip.WV.TEK.COM (Andrew Klossner)
Subject: Re: LH car order delay
Article-I.D.: shaman.3038
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[]
"I read an article in the 3/25 Chicago Tribune stating that
Chrysler is having problems addressing the demand for the 3.5L
engine for it's LH cars.  Can anyone post how long they are
waiting for an ordered car or how long they have been told
they'll have to wait??"
Ordered mine December 30, got it nine weeks later.  But the dealer said
that *new* orders were being held up -- he didn't expect to see any
more 3.5L-engine LHs for awhile.
-=- Andrew Klossner  (andrew@frip.wv.tek.com)
From: rdb1@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (ronald.j.deblock..jr)
Subject: Re: male/female mystery [ Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time ]
Article-I.D.: cbnewsj.1993Apr6.171209.13913
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In article <1pq8tkINNbek@chester.ksu.ksu.edu> bets@chester.ksu.ksu.edu (Beth Schwindt) writes:
>
>Besides which, where would men put all their crap if their wives
>didn't carry purses? :-)
>
>
>Beth
>
My wife rarely carries a purse, so all of her crap ends up in my pockets!
--
Ron DeBlock  rdb1@homxb.att.com  (that's a number 1 in rdb1, not letter l)
AT&T Bell Labs   Somerset, NJ  USA
From: michal+@cs.cmu.edu (Michal Prussak)
Subject: "Illegal" tint windows
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I know it's a long shot, but maybe someone went through this and will have
some comments to share.
The story is this: I bought a car out of state, and I'm trying to get
the safety inspection in Pennsylvania. The problem is that the car has
aftermarket tint on all windows except the windshield. The tint is rather
weak, and you can clearly see the inside of the car through the tint.
The inspection garage said that they won't pass it unless I get a
waiver from the state police. So I went to the state police - the
officer told me that aftermarket tint is illegal, and I can get a
waiver only for a pre-84 car or for a medical reason. I asked him to
show me the section of the vehicle code that says it's illegal.  He
showed it to me and the paraghaph said that you can't have tint, if
you can't see the inside of the car because of the tint. When I told
him that you can in fact see the inside very well, he shut the book
and said "It's just illegal, and in fact we can have someone give you
a ticket for it right now." Well, won't argue with that...
Since the vehicle code says it's OK as long as you can see through the
tint, I'd like to keep it (I'll re-read the vehicle code in the
library).  I'd also like to get some sort of paper from the police
that says it's OK, so I can get the inspection, and so that I won't
get in trouble for the tint later on. I also wouldn't mind registering
a complaint against that officer - he really pissed me off.
So does anyone have any experience getting that sort of a paper from
the police, especially in Pennsylvania? Does anyone have any experience
registering a complaint against an officer? I called the station
later on today, but they basically said there is no place where I
could register a complaint against an officer... And if I do decide
to keep the tint and get a ticket anyway, how much of a chance do
I stand to succesfully appeal the ticket in court?
Any comments about it will be welcome!
Michal
From: eliot@stalfos.engr.washington.edu (eliot)
Subject: Re: top 10 reasons why i love CR (not for the humor impaired)
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In article <1993Apr6.194738.20021@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen) writes:
[blah blah blah]
>Ok if you are so right, name a few good examples that were brought up.
let's create a new group:  rec.autos.CR-is-right-no-its-not-yes-it-is-oh-yeah-
my-father-can-lick-your-father-.......
:-)
eliot
From: jwl@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (james.w.lee..iii)
Subject: Re: new saturn argument
Article-I.D.: cbnewsm.1993Apr6.203837.14323
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In article <C50p1M.21o@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>, rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade) writes:
>
> ok, how about this to argue about.  why does the sl2 have a much lower base
> price than the sc2???  it's over 1k cheaper(i forget the exact amount).
> doesn't it cost more to have the extra doors/windows/locks/motors etc. that
> are in the 4 door????  perhaps it is just a marketing deal....people want the
> 2door, so they will pay the extra 1.2k???
The SC1/SC2 has a shorter wheel base than the SL/SL1/SL2/SW1/SW2, just a
thought. Ithink your right though......
--
James Lee  @ A.T.& T. Bell Labs
Murray Hill, N.J. 07974
Room 2A-336    201-582-4420
att!conceps!jwl
From: dennisk@cs.uoregon.edu (Dennis Kennedy)
Subject: '72 Chevelle SS forsale
Organization: University of Oregon
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I don't want to sell this car, but I need money for college.
1972 Chevelle Super Sport
Rebuilt 402, four speed, 12 Bolt positrac
Numbers match
110,000 original miles
no rust
Looks and runs excellent
$5995 or best offer.
Call Dennis at (503)343-3759
or email dennisk@cs.uoregon.edu
From: jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen)
Subject: Re: top 10 reasons why i love CR (not for the humor impaired)
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In article <1993Apr6.195710.24227@cs.tulane.edu> finnegan@navo.navy.mil writes:
>In article <1993Apr6.180456.17573@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen) writes:
>|> In article <1993Apr06.133319.7008@metrics.com> tomh@metrics.com (Tom Haapanen) writes:
>|> >CHINTS@ISCS.NUS.SG writes:
>|> >> Here are "another" ten reasons why we should all love CR
>|> >> 10. Car salesmen love their new car buying service
>|> >> 2. And later on buying a CR "idealized family sedan"
>|> >
>|> >And my number 1:
>|> >
>|> >1. The spectacle of the religious fervour of the CR "true believers".
>|>
>|> Or the spectacle of "Macho Real Men" who would never bother to read the
>|> magazine but are more than apt to criticize it.
>
>Hey, I'm a "Macho Real Man" and I DO read it.  So I can criticize
>it all I want, especially since I pay for the publication. (They
>accept no outside advertising, don't you know....)
>
>|> John Nielsen   MAGNUS Consultant            ______   ______   __  __
>|> "To you Baldrick, the Renaissance was just /\  __ \ /\  ___\ /\ \/\ \
>|> something that happened to other people,   \ \ \/\ \\ \___  \\ \ \_\ \
>|> wasn't it?" - The Black Adder               \ \_____\\/\_____\\ \_____\
>
>Relying on Consumer Reports to pick your automobiles is like
>letting Field & Stream select your living room furniture.
>
>Kenneth
>finnegan@navo.navy.mil
No one should EVER rely on just a magazine to determine what car they
buy, I don't care what magazine. Btw, I subscribe to three other
auto rags, I just think CU is getting a bum rap by these macho men
from hell who think real men should read . . . .
Statements like what you said above have no meaning. People keep on
saying "CU is only good for dishwashing detergent" or as you
said:"Relying on Consumer Reports . . . . is like. . ."  and that is
all they say.
If there were as critical of themsevles as they are of CU maybe there
would be some real content.
john
--
John Nielsen   MAGNUS Consultant            ______   ______   __  __
"To you Baldrick, the Renaissance was just /\  __ \ /\  ___\ /\ \/\ \
something that happened to other people,   \ \ \/\ \\ \___  \\ \ \_\ \
wasn't it?" - The Black Adder               \ \_____\\/\_____\\ \_____\
From: k8gj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Subject: Impreza, Altima, or What??
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cornell University
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A friend of mine is cnsidering buying a new car, and is considering the
Subaru Impreza or the Nissan Altima right now.  Which of these two cars
would you recommend.  We definately want an airbag and ABS, and room for
tall people and long legs.
If you have other suggestions for cars under $13K after dealing I'd be
interested
in you opinions as well.
PLEASE send replies to sem1@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu, no tthis address.
THANKS!
Scott
From: balsamo@stargl.enet.dec.com (Antonio L. Balsamo (Save the wails))
Subject: Re: Advise needed in buying Automobile
Reply-To: balsamo@stargl.enet.dec.com (Antonio L. Balsamo (Save the wails))
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
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From: thwang@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Tommy Hwang)
Subject: Advise needed in buying Automobile
>I am in search of a dependable automobile to purchase.  Below
>are its requirements:
>	5. V6 or above
Most of the cars you mentioned are below (smaller than) V6 engine.
Tony
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From: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade)
Subject: Re: Integra GSR
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
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>
>Quad 4 reliable, yeah, what's your definition of reliable- if that's reliable,
>then its safe to say that integra engines in general are near perfect
> (not to mention, a hell of alot smoother and quieter - balance shafts.The Acura has the engine
>   wins the reliablity contest hands down. You can rev that car all day, everyday,
>and you'll never blow a hose, or crack the block, or anything else. (I speak
>from expierence!)
>I'm not saying the Quad 4 is a bad engine, but don't highlight reliability when you
>comparing it to a Acura Engine.  AND while the Integra costs alot more, it is a
a couple of things:  blowing a hose doesn't speak of engine reliability, and
while it is true that quad4's have a problem with head gasket leaks, that was
a design flaw in the gasket and has been corrected.  also i know pontiac is
replacing head gaskets that leak for free for 6year/60k miles.  other than
that i have found my quad4 to be completely solid and the direct ignition
system means no wires/rotor/rotor-cap to ever deal with.  also hydrolic lifters
mean no valve adjustments ever.  i'm not badmouthing the integra engine, i just
think you are going overboard on slamming the quad4.  you are quite correct
that the integra engine is quieter, although i would not say smoother, my
quad4 loves to rev, especially at the high-end.  do you have any evidence
of blocks cracking on quad4s?  i have not heard of this.
From: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade)
Subject: Re: Most bang for between $13,000 and $16,000
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In article <33759@oasys.dt.navy.mil> tobias@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Tobias) writes:
>In rec.autos, CPKJP@vm.cc.latech.edu (Kevin Parker) writes:
>>   I'd like to get some feedback on a car with most bang for the buck in the
>>$13000 to 16,000 price range. I'm looking for a car with enough civility to be
>>driven every day, or even on long trips, but when I hit the gas, I want to feel
>>some acceleration.  Handling is important also, as are reliability and pretty
>>low maintenance costs.  A stylish appearance is nice, but I don't want a car
>>that is all show and not much go.  Even though many of the imports are fast, I
>>don't really want a turbo, and I never have cared for the song sung by a four
>>clyinder.  I'd prefer a v6 or v8 for the engine.  If you have any suggestions,
>>Kevin Parker
>
>     There's only one car that really fits your needs. It's spelled:
>
>			  5.0 LITER MUSTANG
not!  sorry, he said cvility, long trips, reliability, and low maintenance cost!
From: keys@starchild.ncsl.nist.gov (Lawrence B. Keys)
Subject: Re: Necessity of fuel injector cleaning by dealership
Organization: National Institute of Standards & Technology
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In article <1993Apr6.131018.12873@acd4.acd.com> jwg@sedv1.acd.com ( Jim Grey) writes:
>In article <1993Apr2.174850.6289@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> prm@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (paul.r.mount) writes:
>>
>>In your experience, how true is it that a fuel injector cleaning
>>will do much more good than just using detergent gas.   While I
>>agree that a clogged fuel injector would darken my day, how clogged
>>do they get, and is $59 a good price (or can I do it myself by buying
>>a can of ____ (what?) and doing ___ what?
>
>
>A "fuel injector cleaning" at the dealer is probably little more than
>them opening your gas tank, dumping in a bottle of fuel injector cleaner,
>and sending you on your merry way $59 poorer.  Go to KMart and buy the
>cleaner yourself for $1.29.
Personally, i wouldn't use the $1.29 product from KMart. I knew about
this previously, but this past weekend on PBS's MotorWeek Pat Goss
(their resident tech type) discussed these products, and recommends
not using them (i.e, the non-isopropyl alcohlo based injector cleaners).
Supposedly only the isopropyl based cleaners actually remove moisture
from your fuel tank as they clean your injectors.  And although the
others (ethyl based) do clean injectors they also cause rubber
components in the fuel system to deteriorate, and they don't mix well
with water to help remove it from the fuel system.
I use a product recommended by VW called 44K (by BG Products, Inc.).
It cost more about $14.00, but it is supposed to do the job without
the potential harmful side effects, and its results are supposed to
last from 2k to 4k miles. I have also used Chevron's Techtrolene (sp?).
I can't say that i have noticed any difference using either, since i
only use these product as a preventative maintenance item.
>
>Just because you dealer sez you need it, don't mean it's necessarily so.
>Be suspicious.
>
>jim grey
>jwg@acd4.acd.com
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From: dwjz@bnr.ca (Doug Zolmer)
Subject: Re: $ 80 SVX OIL CHANGE
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In article <C518F0.9I7@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca>, swdwan@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Donald Wan) writes:
|>  My friend brought a subaru SVX recently.  I had drove it for couples times and I
|> think its a great car, esp on snow.  However when she took it to a local Subaru
|> dealer for a oil change, the bill came out to be about 80 dollars.  The dealer
|> told us it is because to change the oil filter on a SVX it is necessary to
|> disassemble a metal cover under the engine and that took an hour of labour.
|> At first, we think we are being ripped off so she phone to a dealer in Toronto
|> but found out the they are charging roughly the same price.  So is there any
|> SVX owner out there that has the same problem ?  And if the oil change story is
|> true, then the engineer of Subaru looks pretty stubid to me. By the way, the car
|> looks great.
|>
Labour prices for car service are very expensive in Toronto compared to other
parts of Ontario.  For example, there are places in Ottawa that still charge
"only" $40/hour.  I've seen a couple of places charging $60/hour.  The cheapest
I've heard in Toronto is $70/hour.
|> SWD Wan.
|>
--
Doug Zolmer           Internet: dwjz@bnr.ca         Disclaimer: My opinions only
Bell-Northern Research Ltd.  Ottawa, Ontario, Canada         | Conform:- Moooo!
From: mwbg9715@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark Wayne Blunier)
Subject: Re: 5W30, 10W40, or 20W50
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
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zowie@daedalus.stanford.edu (Craig "Powderkeg" DeForest) writes:
>If you're planning on making long drives, the 20W50 is probably fine
>(esp. in the summer) in your 10W40 car.  But if you're making short drives,
>stick to the 10W40.
Several years ago GM was having trouble with the rings sticking on the
5.7 diesel.  They traced a cause to the use of 10W-40 oil.  They would
not honor warranty work if 10W-40 was used (if my memory serves me).
5-30, 10-30 or 20 50 was OK'd though.
Mark B.
From: celeste%express@freedom.msfc.nasa.gov (Celeste)
Subject: Re: male/female mystery [ Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time ]
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In article <1pima2INN180@gap.caltech.edu>, wen-king@cs.caltech.edu
(Wen-King Su) wrote:
>
> In article <1993Apr1.191826.28921@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund) writes:
>
> <apparently you're not a woman - my husband hates the auto door locks
> >features, but forgets that besides families with children, a woman
> <feels safer in a car that locks easily (in addition to watching around
> >& checking out if anyone's near me when I get to my car - never park
> <in a secluded spot, etc - have my keys ready to open the door so I'm
> >not fumbling in my purse looking for them ....
>
> This has me thinking.  Is there a biological reason why women can't put
> their keys in their pants pockets like men do?  I have two pockets on the
> back of each of my pants.  I put my keys in one and wallent in another.
> Many of the pockets even have a botton on them so I can close them securely.
> Everything is that much simpler for me.  Why can't women do the same?
> Is is biological (ie, not enough room for a bigger bottom plus keys and
> a wallet) or is it the way they are raised by the parents?
Women's pants rarely have pockets and most, when they do, are too
shallow to use!
I is very important for a woman to have her keys in her hand when
she goes from building to a car. It is protect herself from
would be assilants by broadcasting that this is someone who
as a definite place of safty (ie a locked car!).
Puting keys and walet looks ugly! It breaks the lines and makes
you rear look wide as a cows!
Also, to have the habits that
work for any clothing situation, the pruse functions no mater
what you are wearing! (even nude or a bikni)
A women's suit coat is lucky to have 2 pockets (2 on the outside,
none on the inside). I have men's coats that have as much as 6
pockets! This is definitally not fair!!!
As one that wears both men's and women's clothes, I can tell you,
women's clothes have few if any funtional pockets!
When dressed as a man, I put my wallet on my inside coat pocket and
my keys in a coat outside pocket. It is much more covenent
than the pants pockets and looks better.
Having a car that unlocks quickly and locks back fast is
paramout to a woman's safty. Men don't see this as a problem.
A woman is aware of this every time she goes out! (i.e.
Image some red necks yelling at you "We are going to FUCK YOU!"
and the out weight you by 20 lbs and have 3 inches in hight
on you!)
If you want to find out why a women does something, LIVE AS ONE!
Celeste
From: kurt@oddjob.uchicago.edu (Kurt Henriksen)
Subject: BRAKE ROTORS...CROSS DRILLING...312 702 8323
Organization: University of Chicago, Astronomy and Astrophysics
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From: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty)
Subject: Re: Saturn's Pricing Policy
Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies
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In article <1993Apr5.230808.581@cs.brown.edu> cs012055@cs.brown.edu (Hok-Chung Tsang) writes:
>Moreover, if Saturn really does reduce the dealer profit margin by $1000,
>then their cars will be even better deals.  Say, if the price of a Saturn was
>already $1000 below market average for the class of cars, then after they
>reduce the dealer profit, it would be $2000 below market average.  It will:
>1) Attract even more people to buy Saturns because it would SAVE THEM MONEY.
>2) Force the competitors to lower their prices to survive.
but what is Saturn's motivation here?  they're already selling every
car they make, with multiple shifts in the plant.  given this, what
possible motivation could they have to lower prices?
cheers,
richard
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richard welty        518-393-7228       welty@cabot.balltown.cma.com
``Nothing good has ever been reported about the full rotation of
a race car about either its pitch or roll axis''  -- Carroll Smith
From: mps1@cec1.wustl.edu (Mihir Pramod Shah)
Subject: Re: new saturn argument
Article-I.D.: wuecl.1993Apr6.225025.13054
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In article <C50p1M.21o@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade) writes:
>
>ok, how about this to argue about.  why does the sl2 have a much lower base
>price than the sc2???  it's over 1k cheaper(i forget the exact amount).
>doesn't it cost more to have the extra doors/windows/locks/motors etc. that
>are in the 4 door????  perhaps it is just a marketing deal....people want the
>2door, so they will pay the extra 1.2k???
Ok, here's what I understand:
The SL/SL1/SL2/SW1/SW2 was meant to compete with the following cars:
Honda Civic
Toyota Tercel (SL,SL1)
Toyota Corolla (SL1,SL2)
Nissan Sentra
Mazda 323/Protoge'
Subaru Loyale/Impreza
Isuzu Stylus
Geo Prizm
Ford Escort
Mercury Tracer
Mistubishi Mirage
Plymouth/Dodge Colt
Their core competition is the Civic, Corolla, and Sentra.  Most of the other
models are in the same class, but aren't the first cars you would think of.
I threw in the Escort/Tracer because it has a good amount of Japanese
technology and has similar reliability stats.  I didn't include domestic small
cars such as the Cavalier, Sunbird, Shadow, Sundance, Tempo, and Topaz, since I
think Saturn is going after cars that have at least some degree of Japanese
roots.
The SC1/SC2 was meant to compete against the following cars:
Toyota Paseo
Honda Civic Si/Civic Coupes/del Sol Si
Nissan NX1600/NX2000
Mazda MX-3
Isuzu Impulse
Geo Storm
Ford Escort GT
If you look at the prices of these cars, they're more expensive than they're
4-door counterparts.  The is good reason for this.  It is a more upscale and
trend-driven market.  Even though many of these models are based on sedan
platforms, their interior, etc. is good enough to warrant slightly higher
prices.  Here are some of the platform derivations I can think of:
Tercel -> Paseo
Sentra -> NX1600/NX2000
Civic -> del Sol
323 -> MX-3 (not sure on this one)
Stylus -> Impulse/Storm
To illustrate, a Tercel starts at around $8000, while the Paseo starts at
around $11,000.  Even a 4-door Tercel will cost less than a 2-door Paseo.  Now,
you might be saying that the Tercel doesn't offer the power that some 4-doors
offer.  What I mean is that there is no 4-dr Tercel with a comparable
powerplant as its sport coupe derivative.  Let's take another example: the
Isuzu Stylus XS and Impulse XS/Storm GSi.  Both have the same powerplants (a
1.6L 140hp engine), but the smaller 2-dr coupes are generally more expensive.
Again, this is because the two-door sport coupe market is a more
fashion-oriented and trend-setting segment.  People are willing to pay more
money for this type of car.
In short, even though the SC1/SC2 may be smaller, hence "less" car, it's market
orientation dictates a slightly higher price than its mechanically equivalent
sedan (SL1/SL2) version.
I hope this clears things up a bit......
Mihir Shah
Subject: apology (was Re: Did US drive on the left?)
From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
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In a previous article, dh3q+@andrew.cmu.edu ("Daniel U. Holbrook") says:
>>i'm guessing, but i believe in the twenties we probably drove mostly down
>>cattle trails and in wagon ruts.  I am fairly sure that placement of the
>>steering wheel was pretty much arbitrary to the company at that time.....
>
>By the 1920s, there was a very active "good roads" movement, which had
>its origins actually in the 1890s during the bicycle craze, picked up
>steam in the teens (witness the Linclon Highway Association, 1912 or so,
>and the US highway support act (real name: something different) in 1916
>that first pledged federal aid to states and counties to build decent
>roads. Also, the experience of widespread use of trucks for domestic
>transport during WW 1 convinced the government that good raods were
>crucial to our national defense.  Anyway, by the 20s there were plenty
>of good roads, at least around urban areas, and they were rapidly
>expanding into the countryside.  This was the era, after all, of the
>first auto touring fad, the motel, the auto camp ground, etc. Two good
>books on the subject spring to mind - Warren Belasco "America on the
>Road" (title may not be exact - author is) and another called "The Devil
>Wagon in God's Country" author I forget.  Also, any of John Flink's  or
>John Bell Rae's auto histories.
i'm sorry, as i have never heard of any of this.  Guess they don't think
it's important enough for a classroom, and i was going on what i've seen
in pics.(some movies--real nice scource there, huh?)  I just always
recall thinking that GOOD roads of asphalt didn't come around til the
Interstate Hiway Act, or whatever they called it(60's?), and that wood and
cobblestone roads were fairly rare up through the depression, except in
overpopulated places like England and US cities.  Obviously netwisdom
says i am wrong.
>As to placement of the steering wheel being arbitrary, by the early
>teens there were virtually no American cars that did not have the wheel
>on the left.  In the early days, cars had the wheel on the left, on the
>right, and even in the middle, as well as sometimes having a tiller
>instead of a wheel.  This was standardized fairly early on, though I
>don't know why.
i knew it was almost always done, but i knew of no reason that it might not
be done the other way by DeSoto for their car.  Seems like they had some
other deviations from the norm too, at times :-)
>Dan
>dh3q@andrew.cmu.edu
>Carnegie Mellon University
>Applied History
>
>"World history strides on from catastrophe to catastrophe, whether we
>can comprehend and prove it or not."
>               Oswald Spengler
thanx for corrrecting me, and again, i aplogize for harebraned post.
DREW
From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (CarolinaFan@uiuc)
Subject: Re: Most bang for between $13,000 and $16,000
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jmh@hopper.Virginia.EDU (Jeffrey Hoffmeister) writes:
>In article <1993Apr6.200200.29965@progress.com> damelio@progress.COM (Stephen D'Amelio) writes:
>>
>>rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade) writes:
>>
>>>>     There's only one car that really fits your needs. It's spelled:
>>>>
>>>>			  5.0 LITER MUSTANG
>>
>sports car, butm my mothers '88 GT was considered a sports car.
>I still can't quite figure that out, since when do plastic add-ons
>make a car a sports car?
>Jeff
We're talking about insurance agents from Bumf**k Illinois (ST.FARM is
HQ'ed in Bloomington).  What the hell do  they know about cars...  Both are
sports cars...  :-)
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From: mark@ve6mgs.ampr.org (Mark G. Salyzyn)
Subject: Re: Do it yourself front-end alignment possible?
Article-I.D.: ve6mgs.1993Apr6.200818.10500
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davidd@lonestar.utsa.edu (David . De Leon) writes:
>In article <113364@bu.edu> selick@csa.bu.edu (Steven Selick) writes:
>>I've got an 86 Plymouth Colt that I'd like to do a front-end alignment
>>on. Is it possible to do without all of the fancy schmancy gadgets the
>>pros have? How?
>>-Steve
>NO.NO.NO.NO.
>If you do so, you are putting the lives of others on the road at consider-
>able risk.  Why do you think mechanics are ASE certified??  Anyway you put
>it, you need those *fancy scmancy* gadgets...
Awww, right, you want all the home mechanics lined up against a wall and
shot eh?
Bull Pucky you chicken! Read the service manual and get your head out of the
sand! Certainly there are tools for the job that are cheaper than an alignment
rack, that do the job as competently (albeit, not as swiftly), if not
more accurate, due to the natural pride an owner/mechanic places on his work.
You can do an `acceptable' job of aligning a car using simple tools and
some imaginative work that would *never* have the effect of endangering
anyones life. The worst that happens is that your tires wear oddly (well,
you could have the wheels aiming TOTALLY pigeon toed and not be able
to steer the car, raise your hands those that think their vision is
so poor that they would screw up this badly!)
I bet you are one of those people that feels that honing a cylinder wall
with sand paper will kill millions of people. It aint magic. Go take the
certification course, and look at the people that have never learned to add
in their whole life that are taking the certification!
BTW, I am disgusted at the Colt (and some of the other Chrysler offerings)
because they go out of alignment if you sneaze at them. My '84 Chrysler
Laser (Similar to the Daytona, a reskinned Colt) needed a realignment every
3 months ... Bolt a good grade 12' 2x4 to each wheel, using a carefully welded
spacer jig. Measure toe in, adjust to manufacturer specs. Camber a bit more
difficult to adjust and measure ... I used a micrometer to measure the
space between the rim and a funky bent up pipe that could be placed on
upper and lower portions of the rim on the inside of wheel (hard to explain).
This same tool could be used instead of the 2x4s.  I had made these tools up
*right* after the last alignment done professionally so I had a reference that
the original poster might not ...
Ciao -- Mark
From: jobin@server.uwindsor.ca (Scarecrow)
Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time
Organization: University of Windsor, Ontario, Canada
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seningen@maserati.ross.com (Mike Seningen)
> 85 Mph speedos -- esp. the electronic ones.
>
> The digital dash of the 87 cougars with the large analog clock in
> the middle of the dash -- everything was digital except the stinking clock?
The funny thing about the digital dash (87 T-bird) with the 85mph speedo
limit was that if you pressed the button to convert to kilometers it would
read all the way up to 187kph.  At this point the stock anemic 302 would get
short of breath.  This of course was equivalent to about 116mph (hehe).I bet
I really coulda confused this thing if I'd toyed with the engine and rolled
the stupid thing (the digits were limited to 199).
I've gotta agree with ya on the analog clock w/digital dash though.  My
girlfriend had a '85 TurboCoupe with a digital clock and analog gauges/radio.
Go figure...
usenet@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu (Usenet Administrator)
> I love the keyless entry on my T-Bird; it's great for those times that
> I had to stop to put air in my tires. I could get out and lock the door
> with the engine running while I ran around to air up the tire. It also
I had a great feature on my T-bird....  I could pull the key out and
leave the ignition on.  This scared the hell out of me the first time it
happened but I kinda grew to like it.  Musta been a bad key copy or
something.
Mark Novakovic
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From: buck@granite.ma30.bull.com (Ken Buck)
Subject: Re: Do trains have radar?
Organization: Bull Information Systems Inc.
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hhtra@usho72.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock) writes:
> I came upon a
> train parked on a trestle with its locomotive sitting directly over
> the northbound lanes. [...] Just as I passed from underneath the trestle,
> my radar detector went into full alert - all lights lit and all chirps,
> beeps, and buzzes going strong.
> Could this have been caused by the train's radio or what?
recently-manufactured locomotives have wheel-slip detection systems
that use frequencies shared with police radar (i forget which band).
these will set off your radar detector if you get close enough, though
i believe the range is pretty short.
BTW, railroad police sometimes use radar to check for speeding trains
(just like regular police check for speeding cars), although the
intent here is for safety, not revenue collection (unlike with cars).
From: hhm@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (herschel.h.mayo)
Subject: Re: BRAINDEAD Drivers Who Don't Look Ahead--
Organization: Chicago Home for the Morally Challenged
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In article <zdem0a.734809554@hgo7>, zdem0a@hgo7.hou.amoco.com (Donna Martz) writes:
> >So, I block the would-be passers. Not only for my own good ,
>      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >but theirs as well even though they are often too stupid to realize it.
>  !!! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ !!!
> >As a rule of philosophy, I don't feel particularly sorry when somebody gets
> >offed by his own stupidity, but It does worry me when some idiot is in a
> >position to cash in my chips, too.
> >                                                           H.H. Mayo
>
> Well, Aren't we just Mr. Altruism himself!!   Just what the world needs,
> another frustrated self appointed traffic cop.
Well, if you want to stick the nose of your car up the ass of a 50 foot semi, I
suppose it's your neck, however, I'm not going to let you kill me in the bargain.
If you get frustrated by somebody delaying your inevitable death due to less that
wise driving practices, then TOUGH!!!
"Thank God for the Fourth of July, for it yearly rids the earth of a considerable
load of fools"
Mark Twain
From: rdb1@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (ronald.j.deblock..jr)
Subject: Re: Changing oil by self.
Organization: AT&T
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In article <1993Apr14.171718.18852@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> sheinfel@ssd.comm.mot.com (Aviad Sheinfeld) writes:
>
>>	Do you think I can use a electric drill( change to a suitable
>>bit ) to turn it out?  If I can succeed, can I re-tighten it not too
>>tight, is it safe without oil leak?
>
>Tighten the bolt to the specified torque in your service manual.  That
>way it won't leak, strip, break, etc. (hopefully :-) )
>>
>>Thank you very much in advance------  Winson
>
>Aviad
You can avoid these problems entirely by installing an oil drain valve in
place of the bolt.  I have one on both of my cars.  There have been no
leaks in 210,000 miles (combined miles on both cars).
--
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AT&T Bell Labs   Somerset, NJ  USA
From: ljbartel@naomi.b23b.ingr.com (Les Bartel)
Subject: Re: Aftermarket air-conditioners
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In article <1qcaueINNmt8@axon.cs.unc.edu> Andrew Brandt writes:
|> I looked into getting a/c installed on my 1987 Honda CRX Si.
|> The unit is $875 plus shipping, installation is like 5 1/2 hours on
|> top of that.  This is a hunk of change.
|>
|> Does anyone know *any* place that does aftermarket a/c installation
|> (not with a Honda a/c unit, but some third party unit).
|>
|> I cannot seem to find anyone who can put a third party a/c unit in a
|> Honda.  I am in No Carolina, so I would prefer some place nearby, but
|> any references would be handy.
|>
|> Thx, Andy (brandt@cs.unc.edu)
Sorry I can't help you with your question, but I do have a comment to
make concerning aftermarket A/C units.  I have a Frost-King or Frost-Temp
(forget which) aftermarket unit on my Cavalier, and am quite unhappy with
it.  The fan is noisy, and doesn't put out much air.  I will never have
an aftermarket A/C installed in any of my vehicles again.  I just can't
trust the quality and performance after this experience.
- les
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From: hhm@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (herschel.h.mayo)
Subject: Re: BRAINDEAD Drivers Who Don't Look Ahead--
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> I agree that if traffic is all blocked up and you want to pass, you might
> not feel like moving over for someone behind you because you don't want to
> give them that one car-length, when they should just wait like you are.
> BUT, if you're one of those people that just sit's behind the person, and
> doesn't flash them with the high beams, or pull left and flash them, or
> ride their bumper, or otherwise tell them that you *do* in fact want to
> go by, and you're not just drafting them, then get the hell out of the
> way of someone who will!  I especially hate it when you flash someone at
> the back of a line and they don't 'pass it on'.
> And there's also the issue of some cars being more intimidating to get
> people out of the way than others...  (For instance '85-'86 GTs look
> pretty mean in a rearview mirror at night with the foglights on...  :^)
> There have been plenty of times when I've broken up a pack that a
> second-in-line hyundai has been behind for miles...  You just need to
> know how to get their attention...
I'd like to see you use this method on a couple of semi drivers. If they see you,
they usually acknowledge by sticking their hand out the window with their middle
finger extended. Because it is also obvious to them that there is no clear lane
ahead.
H.H.M.
From: tpaquette@ita.lgc.com (Trevor Paquette)
Subject: My day in court: RESULTS
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A while back I asked for help in defending a traffic ticket I received.
In short:
The ticket was for not stopping at a stop sign. Given the conditions
I could not stop in time and decided instead of sliding right through the
intersection, I would complete my right-turn and avoid a possible accident.
A police cruiser happened to be approaching the intersection from my left
and gave me the ticket.
The officer said "The only reason that you even slowed down in the first
place was that you saw me approaching, otherwise you would have bombed right
through"
I would like to thank all those who responded favorably to my request for
help. To all of those who told me to bite the bullet and pay the fine:
PHGHGHGHGH..
The judge sided with me and decided that in this case "Not stopping" was the
safest thing to do and found me NOT GUILTY.
The officer's statement and my account of the conditions at the time (very
slippery, backed by newpaper weather conditions) were the factors what made
the judge decide on his verdict.
Moral: If you have never been to court before and you think you have a case,
go for it. It is a very interesting process, and it is there for
your benefit. Exercise your rights.
Trev
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From: larry@boris.webo.dg.com (Larry Rogers)
Subject: Re: Saturn 91-92 Manual Transmission Problem
In-Reply-To: cimjfg@sn370.utica.ge.com's message of Tue, 13 Apr 1993 20:50:21 GMT
Organization: Data General, Westboro, Mass.
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I had exactly the same problem with a 1981 Horizon.  Third gear would
just disengage.  Engine would rev up.  Kind of disconcerting.
I sold that car quite a few years back but the memory of that tranny
sticks with me.  It also had a clutch chatter in first that the dealer
could not fix.  If the lemon law had been in place then, that car
would have been covered.
I have had several Jap cars since then (figuring the Horizon was my
contribution to the American Auto Companies), and have never seen any
bad behavior with the exception of a Toyota Tercel with a bit of
clutch chatter that they did fix on the first try.
Anyway, from that day forward, I have sworn that I would never
purchase another American car with a standard.  American manufacturers
don't have a clue on how to manufacture five speed transmissions and
have been doing the automatics much longer and on many more cars.
However, I hate automatics, so I am still buying Jap cars.
Not sure this is any help, but other cars do this too.
Cheers, Larry
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From: sawicki@naspac.tc.faa.gov (Michael J. Sawicki CTA)
Subject: Regal fiberglass parts ??
Organization: FAA Technical Center, Pomona, NJ
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Distribution: world
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Summary: Regal Fiberglass parts ??
Keywords: Regal Fiberglass parts ??
I have a 1982 Regal and I am interested in buying
a fiberglass hood, trunk, and bumpers for it.  Does anybody
know of a company who makes fiberglass parts for Regals ??
Thanks in advance,
-Mike
From: bmoss@grinch.sim.es.com (Brent "Woody" Moss)
Subject: Re: Do trains have radar?
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In article <x!fvt=b@dixie.com>, jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond) writes:
|> hhtra@usho72.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock) writes:
|>
|>
|> > While taking an extended Easter vacation, I was going north on I-45
|> > somewhere between Centerville, TX and Dallas, TX and I came upon a
|> > train parked on a trestle with its locomotive sitting directly over
|> > the northbound lanes.  There appeared to be movement within the cab
|> > and out of curiosity I slowed to 85 to get a better look.  Just as I
|> > passed from underneath the trestle, my radar detector went into full
|> > alert - all lights lit and all chirps, beeps, and buzzes going strong.
|> > I thought I had been nailed good but no police materialized.
|>
|> Some, but not all, locomotives have doppler speedometers.  The radar head is
|> mounted looking down at the ground (to minimize intereference sent and
|> received) but looking tangentally at a wheel.  These are low power units
|> and typically won't trigger radar detectors unless an unusual situation
|> such as yours arises.
|>
|> John
|>
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This makes sense(radar pointed down), because almost every train I pass head-on that triggers
my radar detector does so more just after I have passed the front of the engine.
I get a little of the reflections as I am approaching and the instant I get to
the side of the first engine the detector receives a fairly strong signal for
a short time. It happens with just about EVERY train I see.
From: wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (Bill Mayhew)
Subject: Re: electronic odometers (was: Used BMW Question ..... ???)
Organization: Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine
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I consulted with someone working on an electronic odometer.  The
design was to use a microprocessor based system to write a somewhat
ofuscated pattern into an EEPROM.  The idea was to make the circuit
difficult to program arbitrary values into the EEPROM.  The
secondary purpose, acutally the primary purpose from the standpoint
of practicality, was to distributed the writes so as to avoid
exceeing the maximum number of writes fof the EEPROM being used.
The microprocessor also ignored pulses coming from the Hall effect
at a rate any higher than 110 MPH so as to make spoofing the reading
by bench pulsing at least somewhat undesirable.  This was for an
automobile that was not expected to ever exceed 110 MPH in
operation.  The case, of course, might not be the same for your
1993 RX-7!
The ECM modules of some cars do indeed store info about conditions
under which cars have been operated.  Since steering angle and
velocity data, etc is available it would not be difficult to
collect all sorts of interesting demographic information about the
drivers' use of the car.  I am not aware of any manufacturer
currently trying to enforce warranty restrictions based on reading
out use data from the ECM.  While it could be a potential invasion
of your privacy for manufacturers to have access to data about your
driving style, it could also provide valuable information from
actual field use conditions to help engineer more appropriate cars.
I personally wouldn't mind the dealer collecting my driving
demographics as long as it is done in an anonymous fashion.
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From: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker)
Subject: Re: Open letter to NISSAN
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
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In a previous article, smorris@sumax.seattleu.edu (Steven A. Morris) says:
>or, here's an even better suggestion, why don't you guys go ahead and
>buy the rest of Fuji Heavy Industries (Subaru) and put either an
>in-line 4 or V-6 into the LEGACY 4WD wagon.  I'd buy the Legacy in a
>minute if it had a Nissan engine instead of the Horizontal 4 that they
>seem sentimentally attached to.
What do you find so wrong with the flat 6 in the Subaru's, or the flat 4 for that
matter?
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Subject: After-Market Cruise Controls: Specific Questions
From: MikeW@Canc.byu.edu (M.D. (Mike) Wieda)
Organization: BYU
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Howdy,
I'm a little new to this newsgroup, but I would like to tap some of the
knowledge and expertise available here.
The Subject:  After-market cruise controls
The Background:
I recently broke my ankle in a road-bicycling accident (4 places, five
screws, yuk! :-( ).  In two weeks I will be returning to Texas (my
home) from my school (BYU) in Provo, Utah.  As you can imagine, trying to
drive nearly 1300 miles with a broken right ankle isn't just the epitome of
a good time.  My car does not have a cruise control, so I would have to do
all the pedalling (ha ha) with my messed-up ankle.
My question:
What is the general opinion of after-market cruise control units?  I
realize that a cheap CC (cruise control) from, say, Pep Boys, isn't going to
be as good as a factory or professionally installed unit (if there is such a
thing).  And I uderstand that I probably can't expect much in the way of
accuracy, looks and that sort of thing;  But anything's gotta be better than
trying to drive with a hosed ankle.
I have a 1984 Jeep Cherokee, 4 speed, standard, 4*4, 2.5L engine with
kettering(sp?) ignition (y'know, distributor cap, rotor, that set-up--not
electronic.  Maybe you could've guessed it being an '84, but I'm just trying
to give information as completly as I can).
I found a CC unit for 80 bucks.  It seems to use the vehicles vacuum system
instead of an electric servor/motor.  Is this good or bad?  If I did buy
this CC, which vacuum hose should I tap?
It has two speed sensors:  One magnetic, and one that gets a signal from the
negative side of the distributor, kinda like a tach pick-up, or so I
understand.  I can use either one.  Which is best?  The manual says (I read
it in the store today) that the magnetic/axle set-up is more accurate, but
harder to install.  Is there really a big difference?
It has a sensor for the brake pedal, just like other CCs, but does NOT have a
sensor for the clutch pedal.  So if I wasn't paying real close attention I
might push the clutch in while the cruise is trying to get the speed up.  Which
would wind the engine up kinda high until I got my wits about me and turned
the thing off.  I'm pretty coordinated, so this doesn't bother me, if it
were for my girlfriends car, *then* it would bother me, but I'm ok with it.
The installation also calls for an attachment to a steady-on brake signal
and a switched-on brake signal.  I think I can get a switched brake signal
from the correct side of the brake light blade fuse.  Am I right?  But I'm
not sure where to get the steady-on brake signal, or, for that matter, what
exactly it is?  Any ideas as to what the manufaturer wants and where to get
it?
I think I can figure the other things out.  Like how to hook-up the negative
side tach-type sensing gizmo and the cabin control unit, and the ground and
all that miscellaneous business.  But I need a little help with:
1.  Is it worth the money and safety risk (if any) for such a
device?
2.  Is there any particularly good after-market CC?
3.  Are "professionally" installed CCs signifacantly better and
worth the cabbage?
4.  If the unit I saw (sorry, no manufacturer or model number, just
that it is at Pep Boy and its $80) is sufficient for my simple
needs, how do I get the thing installed properly (specifically,
the questions above)?
My father and I built a "Veep" (Volkswagen powered Jeep CJ-2A) when I was in
high school, so I consider myself fairly good with tools, electronics, and
cars.  So the installation doesn't scare me.  I just want to be certain that
I get the thing installed correctly as my Cherokee is just a wee bit more
complicated than my Veep. :-)
I appreciate your time in reading my post, and I would appreciate any
expertise or opinion anybody has on the subject.  If you would like to share
some of your wisdom, please email as I don't get over this group very often
(but I check my mail all the time).
Again, thanks for any help anyone may have.
Mike Wieda
Mikew@canc.byu.edu
From: "Daniel U. Holbrook" <dh3q+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Did US drive on the left?
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Rob Reilly:
>whips and their tempers. Initially, all cars were built with the driver's
>controls on the right because that's the way people drove buggies, so the
This is just not so - many of the earliest cars had their steering
controls in the center of the vehicle, and there is no discernible
pattern of left- or right-hand steering controls until a few years into
the 20th century, when, in America at least, left-hand wheels became the
pattern. The mule team (or horses, I imagine) explanation, however,
seems to have some merit.
Dan
dh3q@andrew.cmu.edu
Carnegie Mellon University
Applied History
"This coffee plunges into the stomach...the mind is aroused, and
ideas pour forth like the battalions of the Grand Army on the field
of battle....  Memories charge at full gallop...the light cavalry
of comparisons deploys itself magnificently; the artillery of logic
hurry in with their train of ammunition; flashes of wit pop up like
sharp-shooters."
Honore de Balzac, 30 cups/day.
From: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker)
Subject: Re: LICENSE PLATES NISSAN
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In a previous article, edf003@marshall.wvnet.edu () says:
>Hi, I'm interested in getting the list for license plate numbers.  If anyone
>has a listing I'd appreciate getting a copy of it.  Thanks!
>
You must be _incredibly_ bored.  Have you considered reading the phone book?
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From: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker)
Subject: Re: Isuzu Amigo Opinions sought
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In a previous article, sdexter@shl.com (Scott Dexter) says:
>I like the Amigo; I would like some feedback...
>
>Any and all feedback appreciated-
Yet another Jeep wannabe designed for yuppies who will never take it off road but want
to look "outdoorsey".
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From: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker)
Subject: Re: LICENSE PLATES
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In a previous article, edf003@marshall.wvnet.edu () says:
>>Hi, I'm interested in getting the list for license plate numbers.  If anyone
>>has a listing I'd appreciate getting a copy of it.  Thanks!
>>
You must be _incredibly_ bored.  Have you considered reading the phone book?
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From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr)
Subject: Re: Truck tailgates/mileage
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In article <1993Mar30.203846.85644@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> jh03@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JUN HE) writes:
>In article <1993Mar26.221840.1204@nosc.mil>, koziarz@halibut.nosc.mil (Walter A.
> Koziarz) writes:
>>In article <51300059@hpscit.sc.hp.com> chrisw@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Chris Wiles) wr
>ites:
>>
>>
>>>      Consumers report did a study I think and found that most
>>>trucks got worse mileage with the tailgate off. The tailgates on the
>>>newer trucks actually help.
>>
>>oh, sure they do...  and replacing the front bumper and grille with a closet
>>door helps mileage *and* cooling.  *if* CR actually said that, then they have
>>bigger fools working for them than the fools that believe their drivel...  but,
>>who am I to argue this?  just someone that's been a pickup-driver for 20+
>>years, that's all.  forget the 'net', just take off the tailgate on hiway trips
>>since the nets aren't designed to nor capable of restraining a load in the bed
>>anyway.  around town, the tailgate will have a negligable effect on mileage
>>anyway.
>>
>>Walt K.
>>
>They may help to improve mileage in some cases, I believe. With the tailgate
>on the flow structure behind the cab may differ and the vortex drag may be
>reduced during high speed driving.
How about those toneau covers? I've been thinking of building one
from chipboard for roadtrips. Any comment on how they affect
mileage in highway travel?
Charles
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separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time,
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From: Srinagesh Gavirneni <sg48+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: 86 chevy sprint
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I have a 86 chevy sprint with a/c and 4doors. It's odometer turned 90k
and the sensor light started blinking. I went to the dealer and he said
it was a maintenance light saying I need to change the Oxygen sensor. He
said, It is to be changed every 30k, but since I bought the car when it
had 77k, I don't know if the same thing happened at 30k and 60k.  He
quoted $198 for the part and $50 to install it. The part cost $30
outside, but the mechanic I went to could not fix it saying the sensor
is placed too deep in the engine parts. He suggested I wait till it
malfunctions before I do anything.  If anyone out there owns a chevy
sprint, I want to know how they got their Oxygen sensors changed. Also,
did you face any problem with fixing it without the dealer's help. Also,
what are the results of the oxygen sensor malfunction.
Any help would be greatly apprecisted
Thanks
Nagesh
From: (Eric Youngblood)
Subject: Re: Old Corvettes / Low insurance?
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In article <1993Apr15.011805.28485@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, swr2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (SCOTT WARREN ROSANDER) writes:
|> In article <C5Csux.Fn1@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, gdhg8823@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (George Hei
|> nz) writes:
|> >After too many years of school I'm finally graduating and getting a real
|> >job.  Of course I am trying to make plans of how to spend all this extra
|> >money.  Right now I have an 89 accord, a good car, but not real sporty &
|> >I was thinking of selling it in about two years and dropping around
|> >$20k on a sports car of some kind.  After thinking about it, I may have a
|> >better idea -- I'll keep the Accord until it drops and buy the car I've
|> >always wanted -- a Corvette Stingray. My reasoning is that $8000 (accord)+
|> >$8000 (corvette) =$16000 is less than what I would spend anyway.
|> >
|> >Basically, I'm thinking of a late 70's, early 80's for around $7-$10k.
|> >My question is, what are good years to consider (for reliability, looks,
|> >horsepower -- in that order, believe it or not, horsepower is not a main
|> >concern, if I want to go fast, I get on my motorcycle) and what are
|> >good prices?
|> >
|> >Also, what would insurance look like?  I'm male, single, 23 (I might
|> >wait until I'm 25 to get the car = lower insurance). Would the fact that
|> >I mainly drive the other car lower it?  Is there some type of "classic
|> >car" or "rarely driven" insurance class for driving it under 10k miles
|> >per year?
|> >
|>     My dad has a 66 vette and its on what you say 'classic insurance'.
|>     Basically what that means is that it has restricted amount of driving
|>     time, which basically means it cant be used as an every day car and would
|>     probably suit your needs for limited mileage.
|> --
In addition to restricted mileage, many classic insurance carriers also require
that the vehicle be garaged when not in use.
$0.02
Ericy
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From: sorlin@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven J Orlin)
Subject: Re: Changing oil by self.
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In article <1993Apr15.135514.29579@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> rdb1@cbnewsj.cb.att.com
(ronald.j.deblock..jr) writes:
>You can avoid these problems entirely by installing an oil drain valve in
>place of the bolt.  I have one on both of my cars.  There have been no
>leaks in 210,000 miles (combined miles on both cars).
Yes, but then someone would have no problem draining your oil in a parking lot.
all they have to do is reach underneath, turn a valve, and forget the trip
home.
But there is less likelyhood they have a wrench with them.
I personally recommend, installing a 'special' locking drain plug to keep
vandals away. :---)
steve
From: dilmore@cray.com (Robert J. Dilmore)
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In article <C5HqJ0.57@unix.amherst.edu> bhtulin@unix.amherst.edu (Barak H. Tulin) writes:
>I just started reading this thread today, so forgive me if it has already been
>mentioned.  But...what was the deal with Renault's putting the horn on the
>left-hand turn-signal stalk?  It was a button on the end, where the washer
>button would be on the wiper/washer stalk.  Could the Frenchies not figure
>out the wiring through the steering wheel, or what?
Well, before we start calling the Engineering folks in France a bunch of
braindeads for this...
My 1979 Mercury Capri had this lovely feature. This was not the earlier
German variant but the newer one that was identical to the Mustang of
current fame. I can't tell you how many times this feature pissed me off.
Come to think of it my brothers Zepher had this as well.
Robert Dilmore
dilmore@cray.com
>
>Going back to an earlier thread, imagine having to turn left, shift gears,
>flash a stray driver in the intersection with your left-hand high beam on
>the headlight stalk, AND, after the driver wouldn't move, having to honk the
>horn on the left-hand stalk!  Gives me the heebie-jeebies.
>
>--Barak
>
From: colombo@bronco.fnal.gov (Rick 'Open VMS 4ever' Colombo)
Subject: Re: Do trains/busses have radar?
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In article <C5FqFy.Fpq@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, mliggett@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (matthew liggett) writes:
> In <1993Apr13.111652@usho72.hou281.chevron.com> hhtra@usho72.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock) writes:
>
>
>> While taking an extended Easter vacation, I was going north on I-45
>> somewhere between Centerville, TX and Dallas, TX and I came upon a
>> train parked on a trestle with its locomotive sitting directly over
>> the northbound lanes.  There appeared to be movement within the cab
>> and out of curiosity I slowed to 85 to get a better look.  Just as I
>> passed from underneath the trestle, my radar detector went into full
>> alert - all lights lit and all chirps, beeps, and buzzes going strong.
>> I thought I had been nailed good but no police materialized.
>
>> Could this have been caused by the train's radio or what?
>
>
I don't know about trains, but I've saw a sign on the back of a
Greyhound bus that warns you that your radar detector may be set off.
It doesn't explain why, but it does set off my radar detector.
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From: mcostell@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Malcolm G. Costello)
Subject: Re: "Sprayed-on" Bedliner Info Wanted
Reply-To: mcostell@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Malcolm G. Costello)
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In rec.autos, dennis@hpcvra.cv.hp.com (Dennis Schloeman) writes:
xSorry to repost this again so soon, but
xthe information from my earlier post was
xdeleted from our system.
>
xI am looking for information concerning
x"sprayed-on" bedliners for pickup trucks.
xA company here does it using polyurethene
xbut they've only been around for 9 months
xso there's not much of a track record here.
xIs the sprayed-on bedliner any good?  How
xwell do they hold up over the years?  Any
xinfo would be appreciated.
x
xThanks.
x
xDennis
Do you have a Ziebart dealer in your area? They've offered spray
on bed liners around here for several years. If you do, see what
kind of a warranty they have. ( Unfortunately, I don't know anyone
who has gotten one so I can't help you there.) Also ask if they
can give you a list of references.
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From: markm@bigfoot.sps.mot.com (Mark Monninger)
Subject: Car buying story, was: Christ, another dealer service scam...
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In article <1qhs7dINNj2b@hp-col.col.hp.com> tvervaek@col.hp.com (Tom
Vervaeke) writes:
>    ... experience with Jeep service dept ...
>
While not exactly a service incident, I had a similar experience recently
when I bought a new truck.
I had picked out the vehicle I wanted and after a little haggling we
agreed on a price. I wrote them a check for the down payment plus tax
and license and told them I'd be back that evening to pick up the truck.
When I returned, I had to wait about an hour before the finance guy could
get to me. When I finally got in there, everything went smoothly until he
started adding up the numbers. He then discovered that they had
miscalculated the tax & license by about $150. He then said he needed
another $150 from me. I said we had already agreed on a price and it was
their problem, I wasn't giving them any more money. The finance guy then
brought in the manager on duty who proceeded to give me a hard time. I
reminded him that I was the customer and I didn't think I should be
treated like that and that if he didn't back off he could forget the whole
deal. He made some smart remark so I told him where he could stick it,
snatched back my check and left. Needless to say, they were not pleased by
the turn of events.
Early the next morning I got a call from the general sales manager wanting
to know what happened. I related the story and he apologised profusely and
asked if there was anything they could do to change my mind. I told him
that if they gave me the truck for free I probably still wouldn't take it,
that there were other dealers in town, I was a repeat customer of theirs
and that they should learn how to treat customers,etc,etc...I was still
pretty steamed about the whole affair. He gave me the line about hating to
lose a customer and they would try to find a solution, etc, etc. I told
him not to bother, thanks, I'd go somewhere else.
A couple hours later, the owner of the dealership called me, all
apologetic, etc, etc, etc, and said that they would cover the $150 plus
knock another $400 off the price of the truck. I told him I'd think about
it and he gave me his private, direct phone number, his secretary's name,
and assured me that they valued me as a customer, etc etc etc....
I thought about it for a few hours and discussed it with my wife and we
decided, what the hell...that was a pretty decent deal, so I called him
back and accepted his offer. When I went back the next day to pick up the
truck, I received the royal treatment. Everyone seemed to know about the
incident, even the lot boy. Everything went smoothly and I was out of
there in my new truck in about 30 mins.
So, I guess I'm a reasonably satisfied customer. However, it should not
have happened in the first place. I was a bit shocked to have a sales
person talk to me like that. I don't expect them to bow and grovel, but I
sure don't expect to be given a hard time either, esp. when it's their
mistake.
Anyway, I'm happy with the truck and it turned out to be a couple hundred
dollars under invoice and they paid most of the first year's license fee.
I'm not sure whether I'll go back to that dealer, tho.
Mark
From: mcostell@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Malcolm G. Costello)
Subject: Re: Changing oil by self.
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In rec.autos, boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) writes:
xIn article <1qgi8eINNhs5@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca> yiklam@unixg.ubc.ca (Yik Chong Lam)
x writes:
x>Hello,
x>
x>       Does anyone know how to take out the bolt under the engine
x>compartment?  Should I turn clockwise or counter?  I tried any kind
x>of lubricants, WD-40,etc, but I still failed!
x>       Do you think I can use a electric drill( change to a suitable
x>bit ) to turn it out?  If I can succeed, can I re-tighten it not too
x>tight, is it safe without oil leak?
x
xAssuming you don't have a Russian car with opposite threads, then
xyou turn counterclockwise. I would get some professional
xhelp here, you may not have located the draing plug and
xactually be trying to loosen something else.
x
xCraig
x>
x>
x>Thank you very much in advance------  Winson
x>
This reminds me of the first time my cousin did an oil change on his
car. He crawled under, removed a bolt, drained the fluid, replaced the
bolt, then carefully poured in 5 quarts of oil. Didn't bother to
check the dip stick, just drove off. Didn't get too far till me found
out that he'd drained the 4-speed trans and dumped an extra 5 quarts
into the engine.:( MORAL: As Craig said don't be ashamed to get some
*in person* help the first time.
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From: bmoss@grinch.sim.es.com (Brent "Woody" Moss)
Subject: Re: Changing oil by self.
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In article <1993Apr15.160922.8797@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, sorlin@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven J Orlin) writes:
|>
|> In article <1993Apr15.135514.29579@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> rdb1@cbnewsj.cb.att.com
|> (ronald.j.deblock..jr) writes:
|>
|> >You can avoid these problems entirely by installing an oil drain valve in
|> >place of the bolt.  I have one on both of my cars.  There have been no
|> >leaks in 210,000 miles (combined miles on both cars).
|>
|> Yes, but then someone would have no problem draining your oil in a parking lot.
|>
|> all they have to do is reach underneath, turn a valve, and forget the trip
|> home.
|> But there is less likelyhood they have a wrench with them.
|>
|> I personally recommend, installing a 'special' locking drain plug to keep
|> vandals away. :---)
|>
|> steve
I was worried about someone stealing my oil once also. I finally
decided to just have my drain plug welded shut. It works great !
I figure that when I add three or four quarts when the oil light
comes on every month or so that it's just as good or better than
the old wives tale of changing the oil AND filter every 3000 miles.
Works for me, I must say.
From: drew@kinglear.cs.colorado.edu (Drew Eckhardt)
Subject: Re: Changing oil by self.
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In article <1993Apr15.160922.8797@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> sorlin@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven J Orlin) writes:
>
>In article <1993Apr15.135514.29579@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> rdb1@cbnewsj.cb.att.com
>(ronald.j.deblock..jr) writes:
>
>>You can avoid these problems entirely by installing an oil drain valve in
>>place of the bolt.  I have one on both of my cars.  There have been no
>>leaks in 210,000 miles (combined miles on both cars).
>
>Yes, but then someone would have no problem draining your oil in a parking lot.
>
>all they have to do is reach underneath, turn a valve, and forget the trip
>home.
Most cars have drain petcocks in the radiators, and I've never
seen nor heard of a vandal opening one.  I imagine that there
would be an even lower risk with an oil plug because you have
to crawl furthur under the car to open it.
Car vandals are usually real traditional in their methods, and do things
that don't get them dirty, like keying your car, dumping sand, sugar
or mothballs in the gas tank, TPing it, etc.
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From: cm@cci632.cci.com (Carl Mercer)
Subject: 1986 Mazda forsale
Keywords: 1986, 323, pioneer DX 680
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For sale - Mazda 323
1986 Mazda 323
White exterior, Grey interior.
75,000 miles
Interior in very good condition.
Exterior in good condition
Pioneer DX 680 car stereo.
- CD player
- 18 FM presets, 6 AM
- removable faceplate
- seperate component speakers professionally mounted
in the doors.
The car has been well maintained.  I wax it often and keep the interior
clean.  Its a good running car with a solid body (no rust thru, tiny
spots of surface rust.  When I see a spot I touch it up.)  The stereo
makes the car.  I have had no mechanical problems with it.
I'm looking for $900.00 firm.  The car has an average wholesale value of
about $900.00 without the stereo.  The stereo cost me $500.00 last July.
If you are interested, call or Email me at:
Carl Mercer
cm@cci.com
(716) 654-2652
(716) 359-0895 evening
From: klui@corp.hp.com (Ken Lui)
Subject: Re: LICENSE PLATES
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company
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In article <1993Apr14.143750.120204@marshall.wvnet.edu> edf003@marshall.wvnet.edu writes:
>Hi, I'm interested in getting the list for license plate numbers.  If anyone
>has a listing I'd appreciate getting a copy of it.  Thanks!
You can go to the DMV and ask for their listing.  Although I
don't know where you may actually buy a copy, you can use theirs
for your perusal.  In California, the listing of personalized
license plates run 3 volumes, each about 1.5" thick.  I hope this
is what you're asking for.
Ken
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Corporate Administrative Information Systems        Palo Alto, CA  94304   USA
Core Application Technologies                1(415)857-3230 Fax 1(415)852-8026
From: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker)
Subject: Re: Changing oil by self.rist, another dealer service scam...
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
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In a previous article, bmoss@grinch.sim.es.com (Brent "Woody" Moss) says:
>
>I was worried about someone stealing my oil once also. I finally
>decided to just have my drain plug welded shut. It works great !
>I figure that when I add three or four quarts when the oil light
>comes on every month or so that it's just as good or better than
>the old wives tale of changing the oil AND filter every 3000 miles.
>Works for me, I must say.
>
I did the same thing to my drain plug for the same reasons.  I was wondering
how you filled your crankcase though as I welded my hood shut also out of fear
that somebody might steal my air-filter.
--
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The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of
thinking we were at when we created them.   - Albert Einstein
___________________The Eternal Champion_________________
From: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty)
Subject: rec.autos: Welcome to to the new reader
Keywords: Monthly Posting
Reply-To: welty@balltown.cma.com
Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies
Expires: Thu, 20 May 1993 04:00:05 GMT
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Archive-name: rec-autos/part1
[most recent changes, 15 March 1993: addition of alt.autos.karting -- rpw]
=== Welcome to Rec.Autos.* ===
This article is sent out automatically each month, and contains a general
description of the purpose of each of the automotive newsgroups, and
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will always appear to make killing this article easy for users of
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to this request'.
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Either be silent, or give them useful advice.  If someone wants advice on
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Stale and/or Inflammatory Topics:
Certain topics are considered stale by `old timers'; while discussion of
them is certainly ok, and new, factual information is welcome, ravings
about them are extremely tiresome, and may get the person who posts them
ignored altogether.  Some topics are naturally inflammatory; it is
difficult if not impossible to have meaningful discussion of them.  Some
of these topics include the following:
1)  the 55mph speed limit in the US: Pro and Con
2)  discussions about the morality and legality of the sale and usage of
radar detectors.
3)  discussions over which radar detector is best.
4)  discussions over what is a sports car (this is one reason why
rec.autos.sport is not a `sports car' group -- everyone would argue
about what constitutes a `sports car'.)
5)  disputes over whether or not US Federal law protects the driver's
right to own and operate a radar detector
6)  `Buy American' discussions
7)  `clever' bumper stickers and personalized license plates
8)  <insert nationality here> cars are terrible
9)  What kind of car did Maxwell Smart drive?
[when I have a complete, accurate answer it will be added to the
commonly-asked questions article which is also posted monthly.
Until then, please don't waste bandwidth on this topic. -- rpw]
Please direct comments and suggestions about this article to:
welty@cabot.balltown.cma.com
--
richard welty        518-393-7228       welty@cabot.balltown.cma.com
``Nothing good has ever been reported about the full rotation of
a race car about either its pitch or roll axis''  -- Carroll Smith
From: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty)
Subject: rec.autos: Frequently Asked Consumer/Automotive Questions
Keywords: Monthly Posting
Reply-To: welty@balltown.cma.com
Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies
Expires: Thu, 20 May 1993 04:04:03 GMT
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Archive-name: rec-autos/part5
[this article is one of a pair of articles containing commonly
asked automotive questions; the other article contains questions
more geared to the automotive enthusiast, and so is not crossposted
to misc.consumers.  -- rpw]
[changes as of 14 April 1993: revised brake fluid section, as
non-silicone DOT-5 fluids are now apparently available -- rpw]
Commonly Asked Automotive Questions
Tire Questions:
Q:  What do the funny numbers on the sides of my tires mean?
A:  Typically, you will see something like 195/60HR14.  the 195 is the
overall width of the tire in millimeters, the tread is usually
narrower.  The 60 is the `aspect ratio'; it indicates the height of the
sidewall of the tire relative to the overall width.  Our example tire
has a sidewall height of 0.60 * 195 ~= 117 mm.  The 14 is the wheel
diameter in inches; there are also some special tires called `TRX'
tires which have three digit metric wheel diameter designations, like
390, which is in millimeters.  The R means Radial, and the H is a speed
rating indicating the highest speed at which the tire, when properly
inflated and carrying an appropriate load, may safely operate.  Common
speed ratings are S (112MPH), T (118MPH), H (130MPH), and V (up to
150MPH.)
Recent changes to the method for specifying tire sizes move the speed
rating to a different part of the designation; you may therefore find
designations like 195/60R14 85H; the 85 indicates the per-tire load
associated with the speed rating -- exceeding this load in continuous
operation at the rated speed is dangerous practice.  What follows is
a table showing a number of `load indices' and corresponding maximum
per-tire loads:
Load Index       50   51   88   89   112   113   145   149   157
Max Load (Kg)   190  195  560  580  1120  1150  2900  3250  4125
Note that the usual mass vs. weight confusion occurs in this table.
In some cases, the letters P or LT may be found in front of a tire
size; the LT designation indicates Light Truck, and the P designation
indicates Passenger car.  If no letter is given, then the application
of the tire is Passenger car usage.  As far as I know, these letters
only appear in the US market.  The LT designation is prinicipally of
interest to owners of light trucks and other utility vehicles.  For
the owner of a passenger vehicle, there is no meaningful difference
between a tire with a P designation and one with no designation at
all.
If the aspect ratio is omitted, it is probably 80, but may be 78.
Tires with an MS (mud/snow) designation may have their speed rating
reduced by 20 km/h (about 12mph.)
There is an additional set of ratings on tires for temperature,
traction, and treadwear.  Temperature and Traction are graded
A, B, and C (with A the best and C the worst); treadwear is
a numeric rating.  These values are of limited value, as they
are assigned somewhat arbitrarily by tire manufacturers and are
thus not useful in comparing different brands of tires.
Q:  My car has tires with a funny size designation:  185/65HR390; can i put
normal tires on the car?
A:  Your tires are called TRX tires; they were devised by Michelin.
Because of a somewhat different bead design, they are incompatible
with normal tires; Michelin used a different diameter wheel for them
so that they could not be mounted on the wrong type wheel (and so that
more conventional tires could not be mounted on TRX type wheels.)
You will need to aquire different wheels to put a normal tire on your
car; it is barely possible to fit normal tires on TRX wheels, and horribly
dangerous to do so (the tires may simply peel off the rims in a corner,
or possibly blow out at high speed.)  TRX type tires are becoming hard
to find; in addition to Michelin, Avon makes suitable tires.  Goodyear
has apparently discontinued their line of TRX tires.
Q:  Can I rotate radials from side to side, or rotate them only on one side
of my car?
A:  Car and tire manufacturers have differing views on this subject; many
say that swapping radials between the left and right hand sides of a
car is now ok (this group includes Michelin and Goodyear); others
(for example, Pirelli and Nokia) will void warranties if such swapping
is done.  The best advice is to read your tire manual carefully before
rotating your tires, and stick to the manufacturer's recommendations.
Q:  How many snow tires should I buy, and if I buy 2, which end of the
car should I put them on?
A:  In short, 4, and both ends.  To explain, many drivers in areas that don't
get excessive snow or who don't drive agressively (or at all) in snow
conditions get away with only two snows on the drive wheels, but there
are circumstances where this can be dangerous practice.  With a rear
wheel drive car, you can choose between being able to start the car
going (a function of the rear axle) or stopping and turning the car
(a function of the front axle.)  In a front wheel drive car, you start,
stop, and turn with the front end.  The primary risk of putting the
snow tires on the front only is that if you have to put on the brakes
while going downhill, you run a serious risk of going downhill backwards.
Radar Detectors and Speed Limits:
Q:  Why aren't there any comments on Radar Detectors and Speed Limits
in this Q&A posting?
A:  Because questions about detectors and speed limits crossposted between
misc.consumers and rec.autos.* always start long, tedious, and pointless
flame wars.  If you want to talk about either of these topics, please
subscribe to rec.autos or alt.flame and keep it there.
Safety Equipment:
Q:  Do airbags really work?
A:  Preliminary statistics suggest the following:  Airbags work much
better than no belts; good 3 point belts alone work much better than
Airbags alone, and AirBags + 3 point belts work slightly better than
3 point belts alone.  The con to airbags is that some designs tend
to burn the driver's hands when venting the byproducts of the
explosion that occurs inside the bag, and that some designs (but
not all) may knock the driver's hands from the wheel, making retention
of control of the vehicle after the bag deflates more difficult.
Brake Questions:
Q:  Do I always need to get the rotors on my disk brakes turned?  Midas
always wants to do this.
A:  No.  There are specific conditions that mandate turning or replacing
rotors; some shops try and make a little extra money by replacing rotors
more often than is strictly necessary.  if the rotors are not warped
warped, and only lightly grooved, then there is no need to replace or
to turn them.  Note also that some rotors (the rotors on many Hondas
are a good example) are so narrow to begin with that it is not practical
to turn them; they must be replaced when they become too thin, warped,
or badly grooved.
Q:  They tell me I should downshift when braking to slow my car down.  Is
this really a good idea?
A:  It used to be a very good idea, back in the days of mediocre, fade
prone drum brakes.  In modern disc brake equipped cars, use of
downshifting to slow the car is not really necessary, except in cases
of long, steep downhill runs.  Otherwise, modern disc brakes are more
than adequate to stop a passenger car in all circumstances, and they
are much cheaper to repair than clutch linings.
On the other hand, many standard driver's license tests in the USA
still specify that the driver being tested downshift under braking; I
suggest that before taking a US driver's test, you either 1) learn to
do this smoothly (which takes some time and practice) or 2) borrow a
car with an automatic to take the test.
Q:  How often should I replace my brake fluid?
A:  Probably more often than you do.  Traditional brake fluids tend to
absorb water; this water can corrode internal parts of the brake
system and also lower the boiling point of the fluid.  DOT-3 type
are older fluids; DOT-4 and DOT-5 are newer specifications.  The
principal differences are in wet and dry boiling points; the dry
boiling point is important in fresh brake fluid, but the wet boiling
point is important in older brake fluid.  DOT-3 fluids have the lowest
wet and dry boiling point _requirements_; DOT-4 fluids have better
boiling point requirements; and DOT-5 fluids have the best boiling
point requirements (but DOT-5 fluids are not clearly superior; see
the next Q&A for more details.)  While the requirements imply that
DOT-4 fluids are better than DOT-3 fluids, there may be specific
cases where a DOT-3 fluid is preferable, but these are mostly
competition applications.  Otherwise, DOT-4 type fluids offer _much_
improved brake pedal feel.  Replacement once a year is recommended for
DOT-4 fluids, although agressive drivers may profit by changing out
fluid more frequently, or at least bleeding a modest amount of fluid
out of the brake calipers fairly regularly.
Q:  What about DOT-5 brake fluids?
A:  This breaks down in to two parts.  The DOT-5 specification looks
excellent for performance, but the first DOT-5 fluids were Silicone
based.  Silicone fluids are a tricky proposition.  Unlike DOT-3 and
DOT-4 fluids, they do not absorb water at all.  While this may sound
like a feature, the problem is that any water present pools up in
such systems, interfering with braking performance and corroding any
metals at the spot where the pooling is occuring.  The water will tend
to migrate downwards in the braking system to the brake calipers, where
most of the corrosion occurs.
Because of this phenomenon, it is essential when converting to
Silicone to empty the entire brake system and flush it throughly
beforehand; some even recommend replacing all rubber parts in the
brake system when converting to Silicone fluids.
Two other issues that come up with silicone fluids:  1) they are
difficult to pour cleanly (that is, without air bubbles), which
interferes with getting a good brake pedal feel, and 2) while they
generally have much higher boiling points than DOT-4 fluids, they
do have high temperature failure modes which are indistinguishable
in effect from boiling DOT-4 fluids.  SIlicone fluids may make sense
in some street car applications, but they are certainly not
recommended for high performance driving applications, and the
economics are questionable for street use.
I have recently become aware of new fluids that meet the DOT-5 standard
that do not contain Silicones; these fluids appear to be reasonably
compatible with the older DOT-3 and DOT-4 fluids, but I have little
information at this time.
Q:  ABS is available on some of the cars I'm looking at, but it costs
more.  Is it worth it?
A:  This does not have a cut and dried answer; therefore, this answer will
be quite long in order to cover the pros and cons.  The short answer
is that ABS costs more, both initially, and to maintain, will generally
work better for the `average driver' (that is to say, a driver who does
not have extensive experience in high performance driving techniques),
and may require the `unlearning' of some obsolete braking techniques
like pump braking which should be unlearned in any case.
Now for the long answer.  ABS works by monitering the wheels of the
car, looking for signs of locked brakes.  It may or may not be able
be able to distinguish between the different wheels (there are several
systems on the market.)  It cannot detect impending lockup (which is
what you would really want in an ideal world), but only the existence
of lockup.  The sensors used vary; some of the less well designed
sensors are sensitive to tire size, and to brake pad material, and
may cease to function properly if the owner deviates from original
equipment or OE-equivalent components.
When the sensors detect lockup, the ABS system responds by unlocking
the brakes (either individually, or all at once, depending on the
system.)  If the driver keeps their foot firmly planted, the ABS
will end up cycling between the locked and unlocked states (if a
sensor existed that could detect _impending lockup_, then we could
sit right at that point, which is where maximum braking effect is
achieved.)  This pulsing can often be felt in the brake pedal, as
the system cycles.  The percentage of the time that the brakes are
truly engaged is called the `duty cycle'; typically in an ABS system
this is about 40%  On dry pavement, a trained driver can beat this
duty cycle quite reliably using a technique called threshold braking;
on wet pavement, braking is so chancy that ABS will outperform
threshold braking nearly every time.  Unfortunately, on mud and on
snow, often maximum braking effect can be acheived with the brakes
locked; only Audi, of the manufacturers producing ABS-equipped cars,
has seen fit to provide a disable switch for the ABS system for this
eventuality.
A particularly important feature of ABS is that it preserves
steering control.  This is the case simply because, if you are
braking near the limit and turn the wheel, the ABS will release
the brakes if it sees steering-triggered lockup, and back off
on the percentage of the time that the brakes are applied.
Braking distances will lengthen accordingly.
An important caution:  ABS cannot exceed the maximum theoretical
braking force in any given situation; if you start sliding on
glare ice, don't expect an ABS system to help you out very much.
The coefficient of friction is not changed by the presence of an
ABS system in your car.
As far as maintenence goes, in addition to the potential
restrictions I've listed above, you have to worry about the
following:  1) parts costs are much higher; the OE master cylinder
for my obscure european sedan lists for $185, but the OE master
cylinder for the ABS-equipped version of the same car lists for
over $1000.  Most manufacturers explicitly forbid use of DOT-5
(silicone) brake fluids in ABS-equipped vehicles.  Because of
the potential cost of replacement of corroded brake system
components, regular (I suggest annual) replacement of brake fluid
becomes very important.
Q:  What about this threshold braking business?
A:  [normally, I'd not put this in the consumers Q&A, but recent
publicity about a number of accidents involving police drivers
in ABS-equipped Chevy Caprices suggests that this section is
needed here -- rpw]
Threshold braking is a technique practiced by all serious high
performance drivers; if made a habit, it replaces the `stab
the pedal and lock 'em up' panic habit entirely, and is much
to be prefered.  Basically, the premise is that tires generate
maximum braking force when they have just started to slide, but
just before the wheels lock up entirely.  Drivers who threshold
brake learn to feel what this `threshold' feels like, and learn
to search for it and hit it on the application of the brake
pedal.  In many cars, you can feel that you are near the
threshold when the pedal starts to firm up as you depress it.
In any case, if you can't hear the tires whine just a bit, you're
not very near the threshold.
In a car with ABS, often there is a twinge in the pedal just
before the system starts cycling; if the driver backs off on
the pedal just a tad when the twinge is felt, then they are very
close to the threshold and they'll probably achieve better
stopping distances than if they just punched it and let the ABS
take over.
Recently, there has been a rash of publicity over a number of
accidents, and one death, involving police cars equipped with
ABS systems.  The police departments in question quickly blamed
the new ABS systems, but according to Autoweek magazine, it now
seems clear that the problem was a lack of training; none of the
involved officers had any recent performance driving training.
There is reason to believe that the drivers reacted to the pulsing
brake pedal by `pump braking', an old and discredited technique
of stabbing and releasing the brake pedal, the goal being to
try and get brakes back with a failing hydraulic system.  If you
think about it for a minute, you'll realize that pump braking must
cut the effective operation of a working brake system by at least
1/2, so if you cut the 40% duty cycle of an ABS system by that
much, you are giving up most of your brakes for the wrong reason.
Threshold braking has the advantage in that it is an effective
and useful technique regardless of whether your car has ABS; if
you do fear a failed hydraulic system, then one or two stabs at
the pedal will be sufficient.
Gas Questions:
Q:  Does High Octane gasoline help?
A:  Maybe, maybe not.  Some cars have knock sensors, and can adjust the
engine timing or turbocharger boost to suit the gasoline being used.
On most cars, however, you should use the cheapest gas that makes your
car run well.  Check your owner's manual for details on what your car
needs.
Q:  My car was made for leaded gasoline.  Will unleaded gas hurt it?
A:  It is possible that unleaded gas may *slightly* increase valve wear,
although the Amoco Oil company argues otherwise.  The actual increase
in valve wear will be almost unnoticeable, however, as modern leaded
gasolines actually contain very little lead.  You should, however,
check your owner's manual; many cars from the early 1970s do not
actually require leaded gasoline.
Q:  Do fuel treatments help?  What kind should I use?
A:  Some do and some don't.  During the winter, it is a good idea to use
dry gas; however, some may be harmful to fuel injection systems.
Never use an additive containing Methanol (sometimes called Methyl
Alcohol); such additives may damage fuel systems in cars with carbs
and almost certainly will damage cars with fuel injection.
Manufacturer's opinions vary on additives containing Ethanol (sometimes
called Ethyl Alcohol); if your car has fuel injection, check the owner's
manual on your car before  using these.  Most manufacturers consider
10% Ethanol acceptable in gasoline.  Additives with Isopropyl Alcohol
(Isopropanol), and Petroleum  Distillates are fine in fuel injected
cars.
An occasional bottle of fuel injector cleaner is helpful in cars with
fuel injectors, although many premium gasolines contain detergents that
do the same job.  Some off brands of fuel injector cleaners contain
Ethanol or Methanol; always check the ingredients before putting anything
in your gas tank.
There are a small number of particularly good additives; these are
noticeably more expensive that the run-of-the-mill ones, but work
much, much better.  Among these are Chevron Techron, Redline SL-1,
Wurth `Lubrimoly Ventil Sauber', and BG 44K.  A bottle of one of these,
once every six months, is highly recommended.
Q:  What about detergent gasolines?
A:  The quality of detergent packages in gasolines varies somewhat; BMW
has instituted a testing program, and gasoline brands which pass this
test may advertise that fact.  Stickers indicating passage of the test
are now beginning to appear on fuel pumps at gas stations.  If such
gasolines are used, then fuel injector cleaners are probably optional.
Beforewarned that while use of BMW approved gasolines will keep a clean
engine clean, they may not clean a motor with bad valve deposits.
Lubrication Questions:
Q:  What do the numbers and letters in a motor oil designation mean?
A:  There are several different items encoded.  There is a two-letter
code indicating the type of detergent package that the manufacturer
uses in the oil; this looks like SE,SF,CD or such.  The S codes are
for gasoline engine applications; the C codes are for diesel engine
applications.  The second letter is assigned in sequence as new levels
of protection are developed; thus SF is considered better than SE,
SE is considered better than SD, and so forth.
The more noticeable designation is the oil weight.  This is either
a single number (e.g., 30 weight) or a pair of numbers separated by
the letter W (e.g., 10W30.)  The latter type is much more commonly
used these days, and are the only type that most automobile
manufacturers specify in operators manuals.  The first number in the
designation (10W) is the apparent viscosity of the oil when it is cold;
the W stands for `winter'.  The second number (30) is the viscosity
of the oil when hot.  There is a trick here; the oil doesn't actually
get thicker (turn from 10 weight to 30 weight) as it gets hotter.  What
is actually happening is that when the oil is cold, it has the viscosity
of a cold 10 weight oil.  as it gets hotter, it doesn't get thin as fast
as a 10W oil would; by the time it is up to temperature, it has the
viscosity of a hot 30 weight oil.
Note that these numbers actually specify ranges of viscosities; not
all 10W oils have exactly the same viscosity when cold, and not all
30 weight oils have the same viscosity when hot.  Note also that the
novel behaviour of multi-grade oils is caused by additives, and it has
been reported that with the sole exception of Castrol GTX, 10W40 oils
do not retain their multi-grade characteristics well over time.  10W30,
15W40, and 20W50 oils work very well, though.
Q:  Are `quick lube' places any good?
A:  Some do adequate work, but there are quite a few incompetent ones out
there.  Let the buyer beware, watch them while they work, make sure
that they don't overtorque the oil drain plug, and keep your hand on
your wallet at all times.
Q:  Are oil additives like Slick-50 or Tufoil any good?
A:  Slick-50 and Tufoil are PTFE-based additives.  Many of these have
come onto the market recently; they are different from the moly-based
additives that have been around since the early 50's.  PTFE is the
chemical name for Teflon(TM), a trademark owned by DuPont. In general,
auto manufacturers do not recommend use of these products.  Most USENET
responses to questions on these additives are favorable (slight
increase of MPG after application, smoother revving) but long term
results (whether PTFE additives are effective after 5K miles) are
debatable.  Some manufacturers (such as Saab) claim that either the
product or the engine flush that preceeds application causes
deterioration of the oil seals and eventual leakage.  Some BMW owners
have reported death of valve seals shortly after the addition of
Slick 50 to their cars.  This writer has been cautioned by a Slick-50
Dealer (!) that Slick-50 should _not_ be used in Japanese motors, as
it may clog the oil return passages in the engine.  Otherwise, there are
no known reports of damage caused by PTFE additives.
On the other hand, there are satified Slick 50 customers in the world.
Q:  Do synthetic oils really work?
A:  Yes, but.  More specifically, most auto manufactuers accept synthetics,
but disagree with the extremely long oil change intervals claimed by
oil manufacturers.  Auto manufacturers recommend that you continue to
change oil at the intervals recommended in the owners manual for your
car.  Even if you decide to try the longer intervals, at least change
the oil filter at regular intervals, as synthetics get just as dirty
as conventional oils.
Synthetic gear lubricants for manual transmissions are another matter
entirely; Amsoil, Redline, and AGIP are very highly regarded and very
effective.  Mobil 1 synthetic gear lube gets mixed reviews, however.
Q:  Manufacturers are specifying longer and longer oil change intervals.
How often should I change my oil?
A:  It depends on how you drive.  If your car always (or nearly always)
gets warmed up, and you don't drive it very hard and keep the revs
down, the manufacturer's recommendation is probably fine.  If, however,
you drive it hard, drive it at high revs, or alternatively, if you
only drive it to and from the supermarket so that it doesn't get up
to temperature, then you may wish to change oil much more often,
perhaps at 3000 mile intervals (given that most manufacturers are
now specifying 7500 mile intervals.)  If you don't drive your car
much at all (say 7500 miles a year), then you probably want to change
oil every six months anyway.  If you are storing a car during the winter,
then change oil before storing it and change oil when you bring it out
of storage.
Misc. Questions:
Q:  My car has a timing belt.  I hear that bad things happen when they
break.  What's the story?
A:  It depends on the internal design of the motor.  Early Ford Escorts,
for example, will suffer severe valve damage if the belt breaks, but
the newer cars will just require a tow and installation of a new belt.
Some Honda motors will not be damaged, but others will be.
If no replacement interval is specified for your car, then change the
belt at least every 60,000 miles; some cars may require more frequent
replacement.  Ask your dealer or independent mechanic.  Also, ask if
there are any related repairs that should take place at the same time
(for example, the same Ford Escorts that suffer valve damage also have
a timing belt driven water pump, which has been known to seize,
destroying the timing belt, and which then causes major valve damage
as a side effect.  Replacing the timing belt while ignoring the water
pump can be a costly mistake.)
Q:  Why would anyone be stupid enough to design a motor so that it
self destructs when the timing belt breaks?
A:  For performance reasons.  Compromising piston design so that the
valves and pistons will not collide requires that the compression
ratio of the engine be reduced significantly; this is why you are
more likely to avoid valve damage in economy cars than in performance
oriented vehicles.
Q:  What causes Unintended Acceleration?
A:  The final report of the National Highway, Transportation, and Safety
Administration concluded that unintended acceleration could not be
caused by any mechanical failure of the vehicle in question and at the
same time be consistent with the physical evidence.  The NHTSA report
goes on to conclude that `pedal misapplication' by the vehicle operator
is probably the cause.
--
richard welty        518-393-7228       welty@cabot.balltown.cma.com
``Nothing good has ever been reported about the full rotation of
a race car about either its pitch or roll axis''  -- Carroll Smith
From: chrisb@lynx.ps.uci.edu (Chris Barrus)
Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...
Nntp-Posting-Host: lynx.ps.uci.edu
In-reply-to: ejv2j@Virginia.EDU's message of Thu, 15 Apr 1993 02:42:46 GMT
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Unfortunately, I've got another story to add to this.  My girlfriend
and I were driving through west L.A., and got pelted by a rock just as
we were pulling away from a stoplight.  The scary thing was that the
rock was heavy enough to put a decent-sized dent in the door of my '72
Riviera which is pretty much solid "Detriot Iron."  Couple of inches
higher and it would have gone through the window.
Chris
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1972 Buick Riviera boattail, peace through superior automotive power!
Sacred cows make the best hamburger - Abbie Hoffman
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From: jchen@wind.bellcore.com (Jason Chen)
Subject: MILITECH
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I saw an interesting product in NY Auto Show, and would like to
hear your comments.
MILITECH(tm) is yet another oil additive. But the demonstration of this
product really impressive, if it didn't cheat.
The setup of the demo is fairly simple. A cone shaped rotor is
half submerged in a small oil sink, filled with motor oil. The rotor
is powered by an electronic motor. A metal pad is pressed against
the rotor using the torque wrench until the rotor stopped by friction.
The torque that is needed to stop rotor is read from the torque wrench.
Before MILITECH was added, the rotor was stopped with about 60 lb-ft
of torque (You pick the brand of oil, no difference). Once MILITECH was
added to the oil, the rotor could not be stopped even with 120+ lb-ft of
torque.
Here is the good part: even after the salesman emptied the oil sink,
you still could not stopped the rotor with the thin film remained  on it.
They say you need only add 2oz per quart of oil every 15k miles. A 16 oz
bottle is $25.
I still have my doubts. If this product is really so great, why it was
so little known? The salesman said it is widely used in military. I didn't
believe it.  The demo was so impressive, that I bought a bottle against
my common sense.
Has anyone heard of or actually used this product? Is it real?
If you are going to the auto show, please visit this stand on the
second floor. See if can find out if the demo is a hoax or not.
Jason Chen
Subject: Re: Ford SHO engine parts!
From: david.bonds@cutting.hou.tx.us (David Bonds)
Reply-To: david.bonds@cutting.hou.tx.us (David Bonds)
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W >>will NOT do work on internal engine components of the SHO engine.  This
W >
W >Good thing, too.
W >
W >At about 25K miles my cam sensor went south.  2 different Ford
W >dealers tried 5 or 6 different "fixes", none of which worked.  Finally
W >I took it down the street to the local mechanic.  This guy reads the
W >code off the engine computer, says "Bad cam sensor", and fixes it in
W >an hour...
A friend of mine had some sensors damaged by flood waters, Ford denys any
sensors are registering bad.  He and his father did the short a circut via
paper clip method (not sure of the exact technique), and read the codes off
the "service engine" light flashes generated from this.  Came up with the
damaged sensors, went back to Ford, and TOLD them what was wrong.  They
fixed the car after that.  What a bunch of bozos.
----
The Cutting Edge BBS (cutting.hou.tx.us)   A PCBoard 14.5a system
Houston, Texas, USA   +1.713.466.1525          running uuPCB
From: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty)
Subject: rec.autos: Automotive Mailing Lists
Keywords: Monthly Posting
Reply-To: welty@balltown.cma.com
Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies
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Automotive Mailing Lists (Electronic Mail, that is):
[last updated 3/17/93; new lotus, exotic cars list subscription info;
added Portland, OR motorsports list, Corvair list, Triumph TR8 list -- rpw]
There are a number of electronic mailing lists on the network devoted to
various special automotive topics.
To the best of my knowledge, all the lists appearing here have open
membership policies.  It is my policy not to list `closed' mailing lists
here.
Most mailing lists provide separate addresses for administrative
queries and for general mail; where separate administrative
addresses exist, I have listed those below, as the general addresses
are not appropriate for inquirys and requests.
Audi
(send requests to quattro-request@aries.east.sun.com)
Autocross/Solo
(send requests to autox-request@hoosier.cs.utah.edu)
BMW
(send requests to bmw-request@balltown.cma.com
both regular and digest forms available)
British Cars
(send requests to british-cars-request@hoosier.cs.utah.edu)
Buick Grand National/Regal/GNX
(send requests to gnttype-request@srvsn2.monsanto.com)
Camaro/Firebird (GM F-body)
(send requests to f-body-request@boogie.EBay.Sun.COM)
Corvair
(send requests to bryan@pegasus.mitre.org)
Corvettes
there are two lists; the first is more of a competition oriented
list, and the second is more general in nature (or so i am told)
Competition:
(send requests to vettes-request@cimage.com)
General:
(send requests to vettes-request@compaq.com)
Datsun/Fairlady Roadsters
(send requests to datsun-roadsters-request@hoosier.cs.utah.edu)
Dodge Stealth/Mitsubishi 3000GT
(send requests to stealth-req%jim.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu)
Eclipse/Talon/Laser
(send requests to diginst!talon-request@radius.com)
Electric Vehicles
(send requests to info-ev-request@ymir.claremont.edu)
Exotic-Cars
(send requests to exotic-cars-request@sol.asl.hitachi.com)
Fabrication (race cars)
(send requests to racefab-request@pms706.pms.ford.com)
International Harvester (discussion of Scouts, pickups, etc.)
(send requests to ihc-request@balltown.cma.com)
Italian Cars
(send requests to italian-cars-request@balltown.cma.com;
both regular and digest forms available)
Hondas
listserv@brownvm.brown.edu; use standard listserv subscription
procedure: the mail message body to listserv should be
"sub HONDA-L your-real-name" with no subject line in the header
Hot rods
(send requests to hotrod-request@dixie.com)
Land Rovers
(send requests to land-rover-owner-request@stratus.com)
Lotus
(send requests to lotus-cars-request@netcom.com)
Mazdas
(send requests to mazda-list-request@ms.uky.edu)
Miata
listserv@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu; use standard listserv subscription
procedure: the mail message body to listserv should be
"sub miata your-real-name" with no subject line in the header
Merkurs
(send requests to merkur-request@pcad.UUCP)
Mopar
(mostly high performance Chrysler, Dodge, Plymouth products.
send requests to mopar@casbah.acns.nwu.edu)
MR2
(send requests to mr2-interest-request@validgh.com)
Mustangs
There are two lists, the first is for Mustangs through 1973,
the second for Mustangs from 1980 on.  nobody cares about
the Mustang II, so don't ask.
classic:
(send requests to classic-mustangs-request@hpfctjc.fc.hp.com)
modern:
(send requests to mustangs-request@cup.hp.com)
Offroad & 4X4
(send requests to offroad-request@ai.gtri.gatech.edu)
Porsches
(send requests to porschephiles-request@tta.com)
Portland, Oregon Motorsports Activities
(send requests to pdxracer-request@reed.edu)
Rally
(send requests to rally-request@stratus.com)
RX7
(send requests to jjn@cblpf.ATT.COM)
Saabs
(send requests to saab@network.mhs.compuserve.com)
Saturn
(send requests to saturn-request@oar.net)
School (high performance driving schools)
(send requests to school-request@balltown.cma.com)
Sentra SE-R, G20, N2000
(send requests to se-r-request@pencom.com)
Supras
(send requests to supras-request@vicor.com)
Toyota
(send requests to toyota-request@quack.sac.ca.us)
Triumph TR7/V8, TR8
(send requests to jtc@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu)
Volvos
(requests to swedishbricks-request@me.rochester.edu)
Wheel-to-Wheel Racing
(forum for race drivers, workers, crew, and wannabes;
send requests to wheeltowheel-request@abingdon.sun.com)
Z-Cars (Nissan/Datsun)
(send requests to z-car-request@dixie.com)
--
richard welty        518-393-7228       welty@cabot.balltown.cma.com
``Nothing good has ever been reported about the full rotation of
a race car about either its pitch or roll axis''  -- Carroll Smith
From: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty)
Subject: rec.autos: the Rec.Autos Archive Server
Keywords: Monthly Posting
Reply-To: welty@balltown.cma.com
Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies
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Archive-name: rec-autos/part3
The Automotive Articles Archive Server:
the automotive archive server is in the process of being rehosted,
and is presently not available.
--
richard welty        518-393-7228       welty@cabot.balltown.cma.com
``Nothing good has ever been reported about the full rotation of
a race car about either its pitch or roll axis''  -- Carroll Smith
From: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty)
Subject: rec.autos: Frequently Asked Questions
Keywords: Monthly Posting
Reply-To: welty@balltown.cma.com
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[this article is one of a pair of articles containing commonly
asked automotive questions; the other article contains questions
of general consumer interest, and is broken out to facilitate
crossposting to misc.consumers -- rpw]
[last change: 8 February 1993; CT now permits radar detector usage,
new tire-traction q&a -- rpw]
Commonly Asked Questions
Radar Questions:
Q:  Where are radar detectors illegal?
A:  In the US, currently Virgina and the District of Columbia prohibit
all usage of radar detectors.  New York prohibits their use in
large trucks.  In Canada, they are illegal in Manitoba, Ontario,
Quebec, Newfoundland and PEI (Prince Edward Island).  They
are apparently are illegal through most, if not all, of Europe.
Legislation which would make them illegal is pending in many other
jurisdictions; chances of such legislation passing varies a great deal.
Q:  Where are Radar Detector Detectors used?  Do they really work?
A:  Usage is spreading rapidly; initially they were used only in Canada,
but now they are appearing in New York and Virginia.  It is unsafe
to assume that they are not in use in Connecticut and D.C.
They work by detecting a certain frequency radiated by many currently
available super Het radar detectors; some brands of detector radiate
more strongly than others, and are thus more likely to be spotted.
New radar detectors are becoming available which may not be detected
by the current generation of detector detectors.  Note that a
detector may only be spotted by one of these devices if it is turned
on.
Q:  What is VASCAR?  Is it some kind of Radar?
A:  VASCAR is nothing more than a fancy stopwatch and time-speed-distance
computer.  It depends on the operator pressing buttons as the target
vehicle passes landmarks.  No radar signals are emitted by a VASCAR
system.
Q:  What is Ka band radar?  Where is it used?  Should a radar detector be
able to handle it?
A:  Ka band has recently been made available by the FCC for use in the US
in so-called photo-radar installations.  In these installations, a
low-powered beam is aimed across the road at a 45 degree angle to the
direction of traffic, and a picture is taken of vehicles which the
radar unit determines to have been in violation of the speed limit.
Tickets are mailed to the owner of the vehicle.  Because of the low
power and the 45 degree angle, many people believe that a radar
detector cannot give reasonable warning of a Ka band radar unit,
although some manufacturers of radar detectors have added such
capability anyway.  The number of locales where photo-radar is in use
is limited, and some question the legality of such units.  Best advice:
learn what photo radar units look like, and keep track of where they
are used (or else, don't speed.)
Q:  Do radar jammers work?  Are they legal?
A:  Quick answer:  No, and Not in the USA.
Detailed answer:  Cheap radar jammers do not work well at all.
Jammers that work are expensive and usually the property of the
military.  Jammers are a major violation of the regulations of the
Federal Communications Commission of the USA.
Driving technique and Vehicle Dynamics Questions:
Q:  What are understeer and oversteer?
A:  Understeer and oversteer are terms describing the behaviour of a
car while cornering near the `limit' (limit of adhesion, that is.)
Most drivers do not normally drive hard enough for these terms to
be descriptive of the situations they encounter.  Simply put, they
tell whether the car wants to go straight in a corner (steer `less',
or `understeer') or it wants to turn more in a corner (`oversteer'.)
Understeer is commonly designed into most production cars so that
untrained drivers, inadvertantly traveling too fast, won't get into
trouble.  Understeer may also be induced by using too much throttle
in a corner.  Oversteer is designed into some more performance
oriented cars; it may be induced by lifting on the throttle (Trailing
throttle oversteer, or TTO).  In extreme cases, lifting on the throttle
may induce so much oversteer that the car reacts by fishtailing or
spinning.
Some technical details:  in a corner at speed, the tires on the car
will develop what are called `slip angles'; the slip angle is the
angular difference between the direction that the car is traveling
and the direction that the steering wheel is directing the car to
travel.  In understeer, the front wheels have a greater slip angle
than the rear wheels.  In oversteer, the rear wheels have a greater
slip angle than the front wheels.
Q: What is a rev-matched downshift?
A: When downshifting, the engine must be rotating faster in the lower gear
than it was in the higher gear.  However, during a downshift, normally
you declutch and lift your foot from the throttle, so the revs drop
rather than increase.  In rev-matched downshift, you blip the throttle
before re-engaging the clutch so that the engine will already be up to
the new speed.  This results in a much smoother and faster downshift.
Q: What does heel-and-toe mean?
A: Heel-and-toe is a technique used to do a rev-matched downshift while
braking.  This is normally challenging, because you need the right foot
for both the brake and throttle.  It is called heel-and-toe because you
use one end of the foot on the brake, and the other on the throttle to
match revs for the downshift.  In many modern cars this is a misnomer;
often you must use the ball of the foot on the brake and the right side
on the throttle.
Note that some race car drivers will skip the clutch, and just use the
left foot on the brake and the right foot on the throttle, accomplishing
the same thing.
Q: What is double-clutch downshifting?
A: While your right foot is doing the above, your left foot can do one of
three things:  nothing, declutch once, or declutch twice.  The reason for
declutching twice is to match the speeds of the two shafts in the
transmission to the speed of the engine.  This is usually coupled with
rev-matching, so that while the engine is in neutral and the clutch
engaged, the throttle is blipped and both shafts of the transmission
speed up.
The procedure is as follows:
(0) declutch
(1) move gearshift lever to neutral
(2) engage clutch
(3) match revs
(4) declutch
(5) move gearshift lever to next lower gear
(6) engage clutch
This sounds like a lot of work, but with practice it becomes natural.
The problem that double-clutching solves is normally the function of the
synchronizers within the gearbox.  In transmissions without synchros or
with very worn synchros, double-clutching makes it much easier to shift.
Basically, if you double-clutch well, you are not using the synchros at
all.  This is generally unnecessary on street cars with synchros in good
condition.
Q: What do the numbers for acceleration from 0-60, 1/4 mile, skidpad, and
slalom times in the Auto Magazines really mean?  May they be compared?
A: In short, 1) not as much as the magazines want you to believe, and
2) almost never.
In more detail:  the acceleration numbers (0-60mph and 1/4 mile times
in the US) may be vaguely compared as long as they all come from the
same source.  Testing procedures vary so much from magazine to magazine
that comparing a Road & Track number to a Car & Driver number is quite
pointless.  Keep in mind, too, that the same variation applies from
driver to driver on the street; the driver is a major (often *the*
major) part of the equation.
Skidpads vary, and even if they didn't, skidpad figures are really
only tests of the stickiness of the stock tires; they change radically
when tire compounds change.  DO NOT make any assumptions about the
comparative handling of, say, two sports sedans based on skidpad numbers.
This is not to suggest that skidpads are without value, however. Skidpads
are an excellent educational tool at driving schools.  They are simply
of limited value in the comparison of anything except tires.
Slalom times are slightly more useful; they test some small parts of the
automobile's transient response.  However, they are also heavily influenced
by the stock rubber on the car, and they do not test many corners of the
car's envelope.  They DO NOT tell you all you need to know before making
a buying decision.  For example, they don't tell you what the rear end
of the car will do on a road which suddenly goes off-camber.  When a car
has an adjustable suspension, these tests are usually done in the `sport'
setting, which may be quite unsuitable for daily driving.  The list of
caveats could go on for page after page.
Q: My buddy claims that wide tires don't make any difference, according
to his freshman physics textbook, and that you can't ever accelerate
or corner at more than 1.0G.  Does he know what he's talking about?
A: 1) in short:  he hasn't got a clue.
2) in more detail: the equations for friction used in freshman physics
textbooks presume that the surfaces are smooth,  dry and non-deformable,
none of which properly apply to tire traction except in the case of a
stone cold tire on dry pavement which is far below its proper operating
temperature.
Pavement is _never_ smooth; it is always irregular to a greater or lesser
extent.  Tires, which are not really dry and solid (as rubber is a
substance which in its natural form is liquid, and which has only been
coerced into a semblance of solidity by chemical magic), deform to match
the surface of the pavement which a vehicle is traveling over.  In a tire
at operating temperature, grip is actually generated by shear stresses
inside the deformed rubber, and not by anything even remotely resembling
friction in the freshman physics sense of the term.  The colder a tire
is relative to its operating temperature, the closer its behaviour will
be to the traditional concept of friction; if much hotter than the its
proper operating temperature, the more likely the possibility of some
part of the tire actually ``reverting'' to liquid, which is mostly like
to happen deep in the tread, causing characteristic blisters and chunking.
(This latter, though, is almost completely unlikely to happen in normal
street driving, so unless you're a competition driver or do a lot of
high speed track driving, don't worry about it.)
Because tire traction is completely out of the domain of simple friction,
it does not obey the freshman physics equation at all; thus dragsters
accelerate at more than 1.0G and race cars corner and brake at more than
1.0G.  Because simple friction does not apply, it is actually possible
for different sized contact patches to generate differing amounts of
grip.  An actual analysis of tire behavior would require techniques
such as Finite Element Analysis, due to the complexity of the mechanism.
Misc. Questions:
Q:  What does <name or acronym> stand for?
A:  Here is a list of some of the names which are commonly asked
about; be careful in soliciting the meanings of other names
as misinformation abounds on the net.  In particular, NEVER
ask in rec.humor if you want a useful result.
Saab:   Svenska Aeroplan A. B.,
or The Swedish Airplane Corporation
Alfa:   Societa Anonima Lombarda Fabbrica Automobili,
or The Lombardy Automobile Manufacturing Company
Fiat:   Fabbrica Italiana di Automobili Torino,
or The Italian Automobile Manufacturers of Turin
BMW:    Bayerische Motoren Werke,
or Bavarian Motor Works
MG:     Morris Garage
Q:  Does VW own Porsche?
A:  No.  Porsche is a publicly held company, controlled by the Porsche and
Piech families.  Porsche has extensive business dealings with VW/Audi,
which causes some confusion.  Since currently Porsche is in some
financial difficulty, there is a possibility that Mercedes or VW may
be interested in purchasing the company in the near future, but this
is only speculation at this time.
--
richard welty        518-393-7228       welty@cabot.balltown.cma.com
``Nothing good has ever been reported about the full rotation of
a race car about either its pitch or roll axis''  -- Carroll Smith
From: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty)
Subject: rec.autos: Automotive Mailing Lists: how to set up your own
Keywords: Monthly Posting
Reply-To: welty@balltown.cma.com
Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies
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Archive-Name: rec-autos/part6
[New article as of 4 February 1993 -- rpw]
Many people want to set up mailing lists for their favorite
automotive topics; rather fewer know how to do it.  This article
will provide the essential information for doing so on standard
Unix systems.  A shell script and examples of alias file setups
are included which presently run on a Sparc 2 here at balltown.cma.com
for a number of mailing lists.  Note that if you do set up an automotive
mailing list, please let me know of the -request address so that I can
list it in the montly rec.autos posting.  Also inform the keeper of the
Usenet list-of-lists (check news.answers for this monthly posting.)
First of all, to get anywhere, you need to either 1) be a sysadmin,
or 2) have some measure of assistance from your sysadmin.  It is also
important that you have reasonably good network connectivity; if it seems
like you get everything several days after anyone else, or that you
have trouble getting email through, then your network connectivity is
probably not good enough.
Listserv:
There is a handy automated mailing list package named listserv, which
is available from several ftp servers on the network.  Details of
the installation and operation of listserv are beyond the scope of this
article, but anyone who is considering running a large mailing list should
probably  look at listserv carefully.
The Alias file:
On a typical unix system; there is a file named /usr/lib/aliases on
whichever file server is your mail host; it contains lines such as:
foo:   bar, baz, bletch
which means that any email sent the name `foo' on that host is
redistributed to users bar, baz, and bletch.  thus, the simplest
possible email list is
my-favorite-car:  member1, member2, member3, my-address
my-favorite-car-request: my-address
this has a couple of problems; the most noticeable one being that
you have to be superuser to edit the alias file.  however, you can
do the following, with the connivance of your sysadmin:
my-favorite-car: :include:/home/mydir/misc/autos/my-favorite-car-list
my-favorite-car-request: my-address
Where the file specified is a list of comma and newline separated
addresses.  This file can be in the list admin's home directory,
owned by the list admin.
Bounced Mail:
this still has a problem; bounced mail usually gets distributed to all the
members of the list, which is generally considered somewhat irritating.
Therefore, the way that the driving school mailing list is set up
is instructive (Thanks to harpal chohan of the bmw list for this setup,
by the way.  I'm not sure where he got it from.)
school-request:   welty
school-rebroadcast:  :include:/home/newwelty/misc/autos/school/list
school: "|/usr/local/adm/bin/explscript school"
owner-school: school-request
owner-school-out: school-request
here's what is going on here:
the owner- and -request addresses are intended as traps for bounced mail
coming from the network.  the -request address also serves as the point
of contact for administrative duties.
school is what people send mail to; instead of pointing at addresses,
it points at a shell script which rewrites headers before resending
the email.  school-broadcast (of which nobody except me knows the name;
the name has been changed here to protect my own sanity) points at the
actual list members.
the shell script i use is as follows:
-----------------
#!/bin/sh
cd /tmp
sed -e '/^Reply-To:/d' -e '/^Sender:/d' -e '/^From /d' | \
(echo Reply-To: ${1}@balltown.cma.com; \
echo Errors-To: ${1}-request@balltown.cma.com; \
echo Sender: ${1}-request@balltown.cma.com; \
cat -) | \
/usr/lib/sendmail -om -f ${1}-request@balltown.cma.com \
-F "The ${1} Mailing List" ${1}-rebroadcast
exit 0
-------------------
note that this script does not know the name of the list; the name
is passed in from outside, so that the script may be used for multiple
lists (i run several out of this site.)
the script excises Reply-To:, Sender:, and From lines from the incoming
message, substitutes for Sender: and Reply-To:, and adds Errors-to:
99.9% of all email bounce messages end up being sent to the -request
or owner- addresses if this header rewrite is done.
For digested lists, there is some digestification software around.
Hopefully I'll be able to provide more information in a future version
of this posting.
richard welty (welty@balltown.cma.com)
--
richard welty        518-393-7228       welty@cabot.balltown.cma.com
``Nothing good has ever been reported about the full rotation of
a race car about either its pitch or roll axis''  -- Carroll Smith
From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr)
Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time
Nntp-Posting-Host: acs3.acs.ucalgary.ca
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta
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In article <1327@qa1.WichitaKS.NCR.COM> jhart@qa1.WichitaKS.NCR.COM (Jim Hart) writes:
>In article <1993Mar29.161044.1@uncavx.unca.edu> bwillard@uncavx.unca.edu
>writes:
>>My TOP 10 list of dumbest automotive concepts ever
>>
>>10. 1984 Dodge Colt Vista - tachometer only avail. with automatic trans.
>>9. Back-up lights on Corvette - they're on the sides of the car!
>              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Sure would be interested to know what year(s) this was!
>I don't seem to recall ANY car with back-up lights on the sides, much
>less any Corvette.  I suppose I could be mis-interpreting what you are
>trying to say here.....
Just a quick comment. Backup lights mounted on the side
would actually be *extremely* useful for people backing out of
parking stalls...
Regards, Charles
--
Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of
separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time,
struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing
gourd. --Unknown net.person
From: madman@austin.ibm.com (Steve Heracleous)
Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...
Originator: madman@suave.austin.ibm.com
Organization: IBM Austin
Lines: 20
This is a two-sided problem. Unfortunately our culture has been deteriorating over time.
The "breeding" of these low-life's is getting worse; our justice system is at best
extremely weak to handle these problems. That is why low-abiding citizens should have
the power to protect themselves and their property using deadly force if necessary
anywhere a threat is imminent.
My Camaro (my pride and joy) got stolen right out of my driveway a few years back.
The persons that did that were eventually caught (lucky for me!) but not before
having trashed the car.
On another occasion, on my way from Texas to Florida, I had stopped in a small motel
for the night in a small town somewhere in Florida. About 5 youths were disturbing my
car, setting off the alarm and challenging me to come out. When I and another tenant
walked out with a 357 Magnum and a 45 automatic respectively, they vanished.
Needless to say, I immediately packed-up and left.
Watch out for car-jacking and staged accidents. They can be deadly!
Steve Heracleous
From: jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost)
Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...
Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc.
Lines: 16
NNTP-Posting-Host: 140.239.3.202
ejv2j@Virginia.EDU ("Erik Velapoldi") writes:
>What the hell is happening to this great country of ours?  I
>can see boyhood pranks of peeing off of bridges and such, but
>20 pound rocks??!  Has our society really stooped this low??
You make it sound like this behavior is new.  It isn't.  A lot of
pedestrian bridges have fencing that curls up over the sidewalk to
make this kind of think a lot harder to do.
I don't understand the mentality myself, but then again I couldn't
figure out MOVE! (I'm glad they bombed 'em) or the Waco Wackos either.
(Newsgroup list trimmed significantly)
jim frost
jimf@centerline.com
From: sorlin@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven J Orlin)
Subject: Re: Changing oil by self.
Keywords: n
Nntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Lines: 16
In article <1993Apr15.170720.8538@colorado.edu> drew@kinglear.cs.colorado.edu (
Drew Eckhardt) writes:
>
>Most cars have drain petcocks in the radiators, and I've never
>seen nor heard of a vandal opening one.  I imagine that there
>would be an even lower risk with an oil plug because you have
>to crawl furthur under the car to open it.
>
>Car vandals are usually real traditional in their methods, and do things
>that don't get them dirty, like keying your car, dumping sand, sugar
>or mothballs in the gas tank, TPing it, etc.
USUALLY....go enough places and you'll see stuff happen you didn't think did.
Steve
From: tulsi@ws19.b30.ingr.com (Neeraj Tulsian)
Subject: Re: Mazda RX7 parts - JC Whitney
Lines: 5
Reply-To: tulsi@ws19.b30.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph, AL
Their number is 1-800-541-4716
they are based in Chicago, IL in case
you need to call dir assistance.
Their prices are more down to earth than
ANY other source for car innards/outers.
They will send you a free catalog.
Neeraj
From: mart@csri.toronto.edu (Mart Molle)
Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time
Lines: 36
parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes:
>>>My TOP 10 list of dumbest automotive concepts ever
>>>
>>>9. Back-up lights on Corvette - they're on the sides of the car!
>>              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>Sure would be interested to know what year(s) this was!
>>I don't seem to recall ANY car with back-up lights on the sides, much
>>less any Corvette.  I suppose I could be mis-interpreting what you are
>>trying to say here.....
>Just a quick comment. Backup lights mounted on the side
>would actually be *extremely* useful for people backing out of
>parking stalls...
While I can't think of any Corvettes with side mounted backup lights,
I know that Saab started using them about 15 years ago.  My 1975 Saab 99
didn't have them, but a friend's 1978 Saab 99 certainly did.  In addition
to the confentional tail-light mounted backup lights, they had another
set integrated into the front turn signal assembly.  For those of you who
don't remember, Saabs of that vintage had an enormous multicoloured plastic
growth, about the size of a _National Geographic_ magazine, sticking out
of the front fender, which incorporated amber "parking lights", amber side
marker lights/reflectors, white "cornering lamps" (like American luxury
cars) aimed towards the side of the road when you have your turn indicators
on, and white "backup lights" aimed towards the back of the car when you
have selected reverse gear.  The glossy brochure showed how these front
mounted backup lights were useful for illuminating hazards (pot holes, kid's
toys, etc) that would be run over by the front of the car if you had the
wheels turned while backing up.
Mart L. Molle
Computer Systems Research Institute
University of Toronto
Toronto, Canada M5S 1A4
(416)978-4928
From: ernie@.cray.com (Ernest Smith)
Subject: RE Aftermarket A/C units
Originator: ernie@ferris
Lines: 34
Nntp-Posting-Host: ferris.cray.com
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Distribution: usa
>In article <1qcaueINNmt8@axon.cs.unc.edu> Andrew Brandt writes:
>|> I looked into getting a/c installed on my 1987 Honda CRX Si.
>|> The unit is $875 plus shipping, installation is like 5 1/2 hours on
>|> top of that.  This is a hunk of change.
>|>
>|> Does anyone know *any* place that does aftermarket a/c installation
>|> (not with a Honda a/c unit, but some third party unit).
>|>
>|> I cannot seem to find anyone who can put a third party a/c unit in a
>|> Honda.  I am in No Carolina, so I would prefer some place nearby, but
>|> any references would be handy.
>|>
>|> Thx, Andy (brandt@cs.unc.edu)
>
Les Bartel's comments:
>>>Sorry I can't help you with your question, but I do have a comment to
>make concerning aftermarket A/C units.  I have a Frost-King or Frost-Temp
>(forget which) aftermarket unit on my Cavalier, and am quite unhappy with
>it.  The fan is noisy, and doesn't put out much air.  I will never have
>an aftermarket A/C installed in any of my vehicles again.  I just can't
>trust the quality and performance after this experience.
>>
> - les
>
>--
>Les Bartel			I'm going to live forever
Let me add my .02 in. I had a A/C installed by the Ford garage and it did not
work as well as the A/C that was installed by the factory in pickups
identical to mine. I have talked to other people that have had the same
result. Don't know if this is just a probable with Ford or what??
Ernie Smith
From: ernie@.cray.com (Ernest Smith)
Subject: Re Aftermarket A/C units
Originator: ernie@ferris
Lines: 34
Nntp-Posting-Host: ferris.cray.com
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Distribution: usa
>In article <1qcaueINNmt8@axon.cs.unc.edu> Andrew Brandt writes:
>|> I looked into getting a/c installed on my 1987 Honda CRX Si.
>|> The unit is $875 plus shipping, installation is like 5 1/2 hours on
>|> top of that.  This is a hunk of change.
>|>
>|> Does anyone know *any* place that does aftermarket a/c installation
>|> (not with a Honda a/c unit, but some third party unit).
>|>
>|> I cannot seem to find anyone who can put a third party a/c unit in a
>|> Honda.  I am in No Carolina, so I would prefer some place nearby, but
>|> any references would be handy.
>|>
>|> Thx, Andy (brandt@cs.unc.edu)
>
Les Bartel's comments:
>>>Sorry I can't help you with your question, but I do have a comment to
>make concerning aftermarket A/C units.  I have a Frost-King or Frost-Temp
>(forget which) aftermarket unit on my Cavalier, and am quite unhappy with
>it.  The fan is noisy, and doesn't put out much air.  I will never have
>an aftermarket A/C installed in any of my vehicles again.  I just can't
>trust the quality and performance after this experience.
>>
> - les
>
>--
>Les Bartel			I'm going to live forever
Let me add my .02 in. I had a A/C installed by the Ford garage and it did not
work as well as the A/C that was installed by the factory in pickups
identical to mine. I have talked to other people that have had the same
result. Don't know if this is just a problem with Ford or what??
Ernie Smith
From: don@bcars194.bnr.ca (Don Skanes)
Subject: Jeep Laredo experiences
Keywords: Jeep, Laredo
Nntp-Posting-Host: bcars194
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Lines: 10
I have been looking at buying a 1989 Jeep Laredo and was wondering
if anyone had any bad or good experiences with this model. Is it
all that much different than the other YJs?
It looks, feels and sounds like a nice vehicle even thought the
price is rather steep for an '89 (12K Canadian).
--
don@bnr.ca
From: wade@nb.rockwell.com (Wade Guthrie)
Subject: Re: Curious about the Porsche I drove
Organization: Rockwell International
Lines: 43
ak954@yfn.ysu.edu (Albion H. Bowers) writes:
>In a previous article, wade@nb.rockwell.com (Wade Guthrie) says:
>>takaharu@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Taka Mizutani) writes:
>>>In article <1993Apr13.160535.20123@progress.com>, damelio@progress.COM
>>>(Stephen D'Amelio) wrote:
I wrote:
>This is consistent with the pre-'74 911.  The engine before that was a 2.2
>litre (or less, depending on how early you go), and got its power at high
>revs (starting slowly at about 3K, and jumping up at around 5K) with a
>narrow band.  The '74 was a 3 litre and had a lot of smog equipment.  If
>you got much power at all, it'd be better distributed through the rev
>range.
>Bzzzt.  Wrong answer.  It really depends on whether you are talking model
>year or date of manufacture.  For instance, mine was a '67, but was
>manufactured in August of '66.  Prior to 1970 all 911s were 2.o liter.  For
>the '70 and '71 model years they were 2.2 liter.  for the 1972 and 1973
>model years they were 2.4 liter _EXCEPT_ for the '73 Carerra RS which was a
>2.7 liter.  The '74 and later years were easily identified by the new 5 mph
>bumpers.  Most models in the '74 year were 2.7 lietsr _EXCEPT_ the Carerra
>RSR which was a 3.0 liter (US Carerras from '74 were 2.7 liter models).  In
>'78 they went to 3.0 liter and there was only a single model, the SC (think
>of it as a cross between the S and the Carerra models).  note all the above
>are based on _MODEL_ year, not date of manufacture.
I stand corrected.  This is all from memory, mind you  :-)
>As for the rev happy behavior, the earlier cars are even more prone to
>this.  The 2.4 liter cars used low compression engines, and suffered a bit
>in this regard.  The early 3.0 liter and 2.7 liter engines also got a good
>dose of smog gear as well.  The 2.0 and 2.2 liter engines were far and away
>the quickest revvers of the lot.
Yeah, that's what I was trying to say.  No, REALLY!
--
Wade Guthrie                     | Trying to program on MS-DOS is like trying
wade@nb.rockwell.com             | to shave with a chain-saw.
Me be not speaking for the Rock. |
From: tobias@convex.com (Allen Tobias)
Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...
Nntp-Posting-Host: hydra.convex.com
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
not necessarily those of CONVEX.
Lines: 24
In article <1993Apr15.024246.8076@Virginia.EDU> ejv2j@Virginia.EDU ("Erik Velapoldi") writes:
>This happened about a year ago on the Washington DC Beltway.
>Snot nosed drunken kids decided it would be really cool to
>throw huge rocks down on cars from an overpass.  Four or five
>cars were hit.  There were several serious injuries, and sadly
>a small girl sitting in the front seat of one of them was struck
>in the head by one of the larger rocks.  I don't recall if she
>made it, but I think she was comatose for a month or so and
>doctors weren't holding out hope that she'd live.
>
>What the hell is happening to this great country of ours?  I
>can see boyhood pranks of peeing off of bridges and such, but
>20 pound rocks??!  Has our society really stooped this low??
>
>Erik velapold
Society, as we have known it, it coming apart at the seams! The basic reason
is that human life has been devalued to the point were killing someone is
"No Big Deal". Kid's see hundreds on murderous acts on TV, we can abort
children on demand, and kill the sick and old at will. So why be surprised
when some kids drop 20 lbs rocks and kill people. They don't care because the
message they hear is "Life is Cheap"!
AT
From: zdem0a@hgo7.hou.amoco.com (Donna Martz)
Subject: Re: BRAINDEAD Drivers Who Don't Look Ahead--
Keywords: bad drivers
Organization: Amoco
Distribution: usa
Lines: 53
hhm@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (herschel.h.mayo) writes:
>> >So, I block the would-be passers. Not only for my own good ,
>>      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> >but theirs as well even though they are often too stupid to realize it.
>>  !!! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ !!!
>> >As a rule of philosophy, I don't feel particularly sorry when somebody gets
>> >offed by his own stupidity, but It does worry me when some idiot is in a
>> >position to cash in my chips, too.
>> >                                                           H.H. Mayo
>>
>> zdem0a@hgo7.hou.amoco.com (Donna Martz) writes:
>> Well, Aren't we just Mr. Altruism himself!!   Just what the world needs,
>> another frustrated self appointed traffic cop.
hhm@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (herschel.h.mayo) writes:
>Well, if you want to stick the nose of your car up the ass of a 50 foot semi,
>I suppose it's your neck, however, I'm not going to let you kill me in the
>bargain.  If you get frustrated by somebody delaying your inevitable death
>due to less that wise driving practices, then TOUGH!!!
Well, I never wrote that I would act as you described.  I stated that I
would not block a would-be passer.  I would not block a would-be passer
"for their own good" or for any reason other than I was prevented from
doing so due to the traffic circumstance.  I fail to see how deterring a
passer under these circumstance would IN ANY WAY decrease YOUR chances
of being involved in an accident, fatal or otherwise.  In fact, I could
imagine how blocking a would-be passer would actually INCREASE your
chances of being "offed" or involved in an accident, especially if
this "passer" is riding your bumper.  Intentionally blocking a person
riding your bumper is certainly NOT a "wise driving practice", it
only causes the jam to become more congested.
I don't mess with trucks and I actually watch the road ahead AND the
road behind!   If I perceive that I am rapidly closing on a "pack"
of vehicles, I try to avoid getting caught up in situation such as you
decribe.  Usually either traffic is just building and I have to deal
with this fact of life, or I wait to a slow passer to complete their
pass and make way for the pack to clear.  If someone decides then to
pull up on my bumper, I signal my intention to move to the right, and
do so at the first opportunity (& hope they will open the jam).  I
feel this is not only courteous driving, but ALOT safer than the
actions you advocate!!!  There are actually many courteous drivers
on the road who do not intentionally impede others.
If someone in front of me seems to be oblivious to the fact that they
are blocking traffic I use my blinker or flash my lights, or, if all
else fails, will briefly speed up /slow down so they MIGHT get the
message that I am a faster vehicle trying to pass.  I feel it is never
safe to ride anyone's bumper.  IF someone is intentionally blocking
traffic, because they feel that it is civil duty or philosophic duty
or for some unfathomable reason, I feel they deserve, at the very least,
derision.       (Sorry this is soooooooo long.)
From: hagenjd@wfu.edu (Jeff Hagen)
Subject: BMW's new plant in Greer, SC
Organization: Wake Forest University
Lines: 8
NNTP-Posting-Host: ac.wfunet.wfu.edu
Is anyone reading this message involved with the new BMW plant?
(does BMW corporate even have a net-connection?)
desperately seeking info,
Jeff Hagen
hagenjd@ac.wfu.edu
From: keys@starchild.ncsl.nist.gov (Lawrence B. Keys)
Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...
Organization: National Institute of Standards & Technology
Lines: 44
In article <1qk7t5$dg@armory.centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes:
>ejv2j@Virginia.EDU ("Erik Velapoldi") writes:
>>What the hell is happening to this great country of ours?  I
>>can see boyhood pranks of peeing off of bridges and such, but
>>20 pound rocks??!  Has our society really stooped this low??
>
>You make it sound like this behavior is new.  It isn't.  A lot of
>pedestrian bridges have fencing that curls up over the sidewalk to
>make this kind of think a lot harder to do.
>
>I don't understand the mentality myself, but then again I couldn't
>figure out MOVE! (I'm glad they bombed 'em) or the Waco Wackos either.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I know that this isn't the group for it, but since you brought it up,
does anyone have any idea why they haven't "bombed" the Waco cult?
Just curious.
>
>(Newsgroup list trimmed significantly)
>
>jim frost
>jimf@centerline.com
.
/
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The fact that I need to explain it to you indicates
that you probably wouldn't understand anyway!
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From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc)
Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time
Article-I.D.: news.C5JnK3.JKt
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
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parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes:
>In article <1327@qa1.WichitaKS.NCR.COM> jhart@qa1.WichitaKS.NCR.COM (Jim Hart) writes:
>>In article <1993Mar29.161044.1@uncavx.unca.edu> bwillard@uncavx.unca.edu
>>writes:
>>>My TOP 10 list of dumbest automotive concepts ever
>>>
>>>10. 1984 Dodge Colt Vista - tachometer only avail. with automatic trans.
>>>9. Back-up lights on Corvette - they're on the sides of the car!
>>              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>Sure would be interested to know what year(s) this was!
>>I don't seem to recall ANY car with back-up lights on the sides, much
>>less any Corvette.  I suppose I could be mis-interpreting what you are
>>trying to say here.....
>Just a quick comment. Backup lights mounted on the side
>would actually be *extremely* useful for people backing out of
>parking stalls...
>Regards, Charles
>--
>Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of
>separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time,
>struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing
>gourd. --Unknown net.person
Wasn't the original intent of the reverse lights for the driver, so he
could see where he was backing up???  Although reverse lights on the sides
are useful for telling whether cars are backing up out perpendicular to the
path of the car, I don't think warnings were their original intents, since they
are colored white.
--
Chintan Amin <The University of Illinois UrbanaChampaign> mail: llama@uiuc.edu
******************************Neil Peart, (c)1981*****************************
*"Quick to judge, Quick to Anger, Slow to understand, Ignorance and Prejudice*
*And********Fear********Walk********************Hand*********in*********Hand"*
From: nuet_ke@pts.mot.com (KEITH NUETZMAN X3153 P7625)
Subject: Re: Lois Chevrolet?
Summary: Louis Chevrolet
Nntp-Posting-Host: 145.4.54.110
Reply-To: nuet_ke@pts.mot.com
Organization: Paging and Wireless Data Group
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A little bit off of the subject but here goes
yes he is one in the same (i.e. Chevrolet Motor Div)
also his brother Gaston raced at Indy and was the winner in 1920.
I have also seen the name Arthur Chevrolet in the early teens (1911 and on)
I assume he is related
Keith Nuetzman, nuet_ke@pts.mot.com
Motorola Inc.
Paging and Wireless Data Group
Boynton Beach, Fl
see ya at Indy 500 and "400" ...yes!!!
From: bw662@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill Cray)
Subject: Re: Thinking About Buying Intrepid - Good or Bad Idea?
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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I bought an Intrepid about two months ago and am very happy with
it.  Lots of room inside and even with the smaller engine it has
enough power for me.  The only problem I found was a small
selection on the dealer's lots. They are hot sellers around here.
--
From: gwalker@rtfm.mlb.fl.us (Grayson Walker)
Subject: Re: Changing oil by self.
Keywords: oily to bed
Organization: A.S.I., Merritt Island, Florida
Distribution: usa
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Ah, yes, the big chunks down in the sump. The solution is simple. Sort of
like the advice my Aunt always gave -- never scratch your ear with anything
except your elbow.
If you have pieces of ring, con rods, valve heads or stems, just reach into
the sump through the hole in the block that was associated with the creation
of those large bits and pieces. Anything you can't remove with one hand
through the hole in the block may safely be left in place.
From: tquinn@heartland.bradley.edu (Terry Quinn)
Subject: Waxing a new car
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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Reply-To: tquinn@heartland.bradley.edu
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I have just taken delivery on a new GM car (Firebird) with a
clearcoat finish.  I assume that it is probably urethane since the
industry has moved in that direction in paints.
In years past, it used to be recommended that owners wait up to
60 days before you wax a car, for the paint to "cure."  The dealer
shop manager said this also, but I'm not sure that he wasn't just
basing it on past tradition.  Does anyone know if this is still a
recommended practice, or is it better to go ahead and wax right
away (non-abrasive new car wax) with the newer finishes?
--
Terry Quinn
Germantown Hills, IL
tquinn@heartland.bradley.edu
from Compuserve . . .                  >INTERNET: tquinn@heartland.bradley.edu
From: hkon@athena.mit.edu (Henry Kon)
Subject: 83 tercel sunroof leaks - arrggh
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
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Distribution: world
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IS there a simple way tooput these sunroofs out of their misery -
do leaks tend to be from old gaskets ?
or from inadequate mechanical seals -
or all of the above ??
is there any way to halt the rain ?
thanks
hk
--
Henry Bruno Kon
office: 617-253-2781 (with machine)
home:   617-625-3972 (with machine)
From: rmt6r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Roy Matthew Thigpen)
Subject: Re: Plymouth Sundance/Dodge Shadow experiences?
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Lines: 12
I don't know if some lemons are out there, but from personal experience
My brother's has been trouble free.  Not one single repair, only
regular maintainance.  The only work he had done on it was a result
of his stupidity... he stopped suddenly in the middle of a left turn
on a busy intersection, and was rear-ended.  He has a 1989 Plymouth
Sundance.  I would recomend it, but I would also like to say that if
you can wait about six months, ChryCo is coming out with a new car
called the Neon, that is built in the same way as the LH's where.
Good luck with your desiscion.
From: sborders@nyx.cs.du.edu (Scott Borders)
Subject: Clear coat woes . . .
Summary: Any way to remove fine scratches in clear coat?
Keywords: clear coat paint
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Lines: 27
Is clear coat really worth it?  Yes, on the showroom floor, the cars
have this deep, lustrous shine that just can't be found on paint jobs
that aren't clear coated.  On the other hand, it seems that every clear
coated car that I've seen on the road (in a parking lot, etc.) has
fine scratches throughout the paint job.  As does, alas, my 1992 Laser.
Several weeks ago I had my car professionally polished and waxed.
When I picked it up, it had that same showroom shine that I remember
from a year ago when I bought it.  Several days ago I took my car
to the dealership for some work.  As an added bonus, they washed my
car.  Unfortunately, whoever washed it either didn't get the roof
(which is black, the rest of the car is red) completely clean before
he dried it, or he used a dirty towel.  Now my showroom shine is a
haze of fine scratches that aren't really visible until the light
hits the roof at a particular angle.
I am, to put it mildy, somewhat peeved about this.  Do I have any
chance of getting the dealership to do something about this?
My guess is 'no'.  Is there any product on the market that provides
a solution to this problem?  Or am I faced with the prospect of
having the car professionally polished again to hide the scratches?
Information, commiseration, and sympathy all greatly appreciated . . .
Scott "the-dealership-will-never-wash-my-car-again" Borders
sborders@nyx.cs.du.edu
borders_scott@tandem.com
From: nataraja@rtsg.mot.com (Kumaravel Natarajan)
Subject: Re: Chryslers Compact LH Sedans?
Nntp-Posting-Host: opal12
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
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rmt6r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Roy Matthew Thigpen) writes:
>aas7@po.CWRU.Edu  writes:
>>
>> In a previous article, v064mcqs@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (ADAM M. GANDLER) says:
>>
>> >
>> >I heard Chrysler is planning to design or is in the process
>> >of designing a compact sedan line based on the LH platform.
>> >If these were as thought out as the full sized sedans and
>> >priced competitively, I see no reason why they could not give
>> >the imports and even the Saturns a serious challenge.
>>
>> OH GOODY!!! We now get to see SATURNS sold through CRYCO dealers.....
>> fab!
>Why is it this A-hole insist on remarks like this.  I really am growing
>tired of this s*** DREW.
Do you have a "kill" file for your newsreader?  I put the name "Spencer"
in my kill file and that gives me about 10-15 less articles PER DAY that
I have to sift through.
From: ip02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Danny Phornprapha)
Subject: I'm getting a car, I need opinions.
Organization: Lehigh University
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I have $30,000 as my budget.  I'm looking for a sports or GT car.
What do you think would be the best buy?  (I'm looking for specific models)
Thanks,
Danny
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From: jong@halcyon.com (Barking Weasel)
Subject: Re: RFI:Art of clutchless shifting
Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505
Lines: 36
schludermann@sscvx1.ssc.gov writes:
>I'm wondering if anybody else out there is a clutchless shifter? I've been
>doing it my self over 200,000 miles, on my current toyota truck I've got
>over 150k. I've heard people talk about how doing this can damage a
>transmission. My experiences suggest otherwise. What techniques do you use?
Yeah.  I don't use the clutch all the time either.  I've done it
with Fords, BMW, Datsun, and Chevy and it works fine.  I can't think of
any reason that it would damage the tranny.  Essentially you are just
doing what the synchros do anyhow - match the engine speed with the
tranny speed and slip it into gear.
>On some old pieces of junk I drove, the transmission was so
>worn that pumping the clutch was the only way to shift, except clutchless.
>To date I've driven rabbits, datsuns, comets, fords & a chevy. Some where
>harder than others to shift but generally the higher the milage the smoother
>quicker & easier they where to shift.
>My technique is to ease back off the throttle and at the same time gently
>wrist back on the shift lever. If for some reason I miss the shift window,
>I lightly press the accelerator & try agian. I've found that clutchless
>shifting is eaiser/quicker at high rpms (4000-7000). I also skip gears some
>times using 1-3-5 ,1-2-4-5.
Sounds about right.  I usually slip it out during throttle-down
and then blip the throttle and wait until it feels like things are right
(usually about a second) and then slip it into gear...
>krispy
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From: roger@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Roger Mullane)
Subject: Re: 86 Acura Integra 5-speed
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA
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I have a 1986 Acura Integra 5 speed with 95,000 miles on it. It is positively
the worst car I have ever owned. I had an 83 Prelude that had 160k miles on
it when I sold it, and it was still going strong .  This is with religious
attention to maintenance such as oil changes etc. Both cars were driven in
exactly the same manner..
1. It has gone through two clutches (which are underrated.)
2. 3 sets of tires (really eats tires in the front even with careful align)
3. All struts started leaking about 25-30k miles
4. Windshield wiper motor burned up (service note on this one)
5. Seek stop working on radio about 20k miles
6. Two timing belts.
7. Constant error signals from computer.
8. And finally. A rod bearing went out on the No. 1 piston seriously damaging
the crankshaft, contaminating the engine etc. When the overhaul was done
last week it required new crankshaft, one new cam shaft (has two) because
the camshaft shattered when they tried to mill it. The camshaft took 4
weeks to get because it is on national back order.
Everything on the engine is unique to the 1986 year. They went to a new
design in 87. Parts are very expensive.
No way would I ever buy another Acura. It is highly overrated. .
From: rwf2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ROBERT WILLIAM FUSI)
Subject: Re: Most bang for $13k
Organization: Lehigh University
Lines: 41
In article <1993Apr17.014638.56998@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, rwf2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (R
OBERT WILLIAM FUSI) writes:
>In article <23056.74.uupcb@cutting.hou.tx.us>, david.bonds@cutting.hou.tx.us (D
a
>vid Bonds) writes:
>>In rec.autos, CPKJP@vm.cc.latech.edu (Kevin Parker) writes:
>> I'd like to get some feedback on a car with most bang for the buck in the
>> $13000 to 16,000 price range. I'm looking for a car with enough civility to b
e
>> driven every day, or even on long trips, but when I hit the gas, I want to fe
e
>l
>>
>>Take a look at a '91 Taurus SHO - they can be found for ~13k, and are the
>>ultimate in 4 door sports cars.  Performance similar to a Mustang, but
>>quite civil and comfortable...  Try to get a late model 91 for the better
>>shifter.
>>
>>
>
>>----
>>The Cutting Edge BBS (cutting.hou.tx.us)   A PCBoard 14.5a system
>>Houston, Texas, USA   +1.713.466.1525          running uuPCB
>
>>Well, you could always go with a 5.0 Mustang LX with a pleasant V8, but the
>diamond star cars (Talon/Eclipse/Laser) put out 190 hp in the turbo models,
>and 195 hp in the AWD turbo models,  These cars also have handling to match
>the muscle, and are civil in regular driving conditions, rather than having a
>harsh, stiff ride....The AWD Turbo is clearly the better choice of the two
>(because of all that torque steer on the front drive model), but you may have
>to go with a leftover or "slightly" used model for that price range....tough
>decision...
>
>        Rob Fusi
>        rwf2@lehigh.edu
>
>--
> Car and Driver did a test with the same basic idea and chose the Ford Probe
GT (5sp of course)
>
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From: rwf2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ROBERT WILLIAM FUSI)
Subject: Re: Too fast
Organization: Lehigh University
Lines: 13
In article <3090@shaman.wv.tek.com>, andrew@frip.WV.TEK.COM (Andrew Klossner) wr
ites:
>[]
>
>       "Can I ask.  Have any of you been at the speed of 130?  It's a
>       rush."
>
>So is cocaine.  What's your point?
>
>  -=- Andrew Klossner  (andrew@frip.wv.tek.com)
>
Yeah, and the cop couldn't catch me.....
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From: rwf2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ROBERT WILLIAM FUSI)
Subject: Re: Too fast
Organization: Lehigh University
Lines: 12
In article <3090@shaman.wv.tek.com>, andrew@frip.WV.TEK.COM (Andrew Klossner) wr
ites:
>[]
>
>       "Can I ask.  Have any of you been at the speed of 130?  It's a
>       rush."
>
>So is cocaine.  What's your point?
>
>  -=- Andrew Klossner  (andrew@frip.wv.tek.com)
>Don't know about the cocaine, but....
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From: rwf2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ROBERT WILLIAM FUSI)
Subject: Re: New Alarm Proposal
Organization: Lehigh University
Lines: 22
In article <1993Apr14.190652.19777@slcs.slb.com>, dcd@se.houston.geoquest.slb.co
m (Dan Day) writes:
>In article <1qeee6$o7s@armory.centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) w
rites:
>>
>>An audible alarm is just an annoyance -- to either a professional or
>>amateur.  NOBODY LISTENS TO AUDIBLE ALARMS ANYMORE.  The thieves know
>
>This is why I think there ought to be a heavy fine on false alarms.
>I'm really honked off about the fact that due to all the
>cars with cruddy alarms crying "wolf", no one will pay any attention
>to my car if its alarm ever goes off for real.
>
> Depends on your area, in the city, nobody thinks about it...but at a mall or
something near the suburbs, people do at least glance over.  Remember, an
alarm is only a deterent, not a prevention.  If a thief sees two cars he
"likes", one has an alarm and the other doesn't, he's obviously going to skip
the alarmed car and avoid the hassle.  There is a way around every alarm, but
at least you've got SOMETHING on your side.....
Rob Fusi
rwf2@lehigh.edu
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From: rmt6r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Roy Matthew Thigpen)
Subject: Re: I'm getting a car, I need opinions.
Organization: University of Virginia
Lines: 2
Good luck.
Subject: curious about you
From: Maria Alice Ruth <MAO111@psuvm.psu.edu>
Organization: Penn State University
Lines: 20
Please satisfy my curiosity. I'm interested in finding out who is using the
e-mail system. Please do not flood me with mail after April 21st. Thanks!
Maria Alice Ruth  mao111@psuvm.bitnet or @psuvm.psu.edu
1. Are you male or female?
2. How long have you been using the e-mail system?
3. How do you have access (at work, at school, etc)?
4. Who taught you how to use the system? Is that person male or female?
5. Have you helped anyone to learn the system? Was that person(s) male or
female?
6. Which net did you find my questions on?
7. Which other nets are you interested in?
8. How often do you read/post to the system?
From: edwards@world.std.com (Jonathan Edwards)
Subject: Toyota Land Cruiser worth it?
Organization: IntraNet, Inc.
Lines: 10
In response to a post about SUV's, I got several unsolicited recommendations to
check out the Land Cruiser, despite its astronomical price.
The Toyota dealer told me it's a "cult car".
If a car is good enough to create a passionate and loyal following, there
must be something really extraordinary about it.
So, all you Land Crusher Cultists - here is your chance to convert me.
--
Jonathan Edwards				edwards@intranet.com
IntraNet, Inc					617-527-7020
From: cf947@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chun-Hung Wan)
Subject: NX2000 vs. Sentra SE-R
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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Reply-To: cf947@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chun-Hung Wan)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu
I'm plannig to trade my Sentra SE-R in with a NX2000.  My car has 11,500
miles on it and is a '92 model.  The NX2000 the dealer is selling is a '91
model with 23,000miles on it.  It has a T-Bar Roof, a/c, and an airbag,
which my Sentra does not have.  They are asking for $1500.  Is that a fair
deal?  The only thing I noticed about the NX2000 is that the engine did not
seem to have as much torque as my Sentra which has the same identical
engine.  I presume that the last lady owner did not really push the engine
to it's limits occassionaly while I did that on mine, thuis the NX2000's
engine is a little "tight."  So, if I buy the NX2000 and "excercise" it
well, should that slight power problem go away?  Any advice on this will be
much appreciated.  Thanks.  Please reply via e-mail if possible.
--
A motion picture major at the Brooks Institute of Photography, CA
Santa Barbara and a foreign student from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.
"The mind is the forerunner of all states."
From: music@erich.triumf.ca (FRED W. BACH)
Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
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News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41
In article <1993Apr15.173851.25846@convex.com>, tobias@convex.com (Allen Tobias) writes...
#In article <1993Apr15.024246.8076@Virginia.EDU> ejv2j@Virginia.EDU ("Erik Velapoldi") writes:
#>This happened about a year ago on the Washington DC Beltway.
#>Snot nosed drunken kids decided it would be really cool to
#>throw huge rocks down on cars from an overpass.  Four or five
#>cars were hit.  There were several serious injuries, and sadly
#>a small girl sitting in the front seat of one of them was struck
#>in the head by one of the larger rocks.  I don't recall if she
#>made it, but I think she was comatose for a month or so and
#>doctors weren't holding out hope that she'd live.
#>
#>What the hell is happening to this great country of ours?  I
#>can see boyhood pranks of peeing off of bridges and such, but
#>20 pound rocks??!  Has our society really stooped this low??
Yes. Nobody is watching them.  If they get caught, there is no punishment
at all.  In the old days such behaviour would be rewarded with a whipping
with a good-sized belt, and then taken into some hospital to see first hand
what kind of damage such accidents cause.   Of course this doesn't happen
any more.  That whipping would probably save the kid's life by teaching
him some respect for others.  A person with that little respect would
inevitably wind up dead early anyway.
The problem is creeping gradualism.  If you put a frog into hot water,
he just jumps out.  But if you put him into cold water and then ever-so-
gradually heat it, the frog will cook.  This is what the entertainment
industry and lack of religious, moral, and educational standards in our
modern North American society have done to us over the years.  Now that
we are about to be 'cooked', we may have woken up too late.
#>
#>Erik velapold
#
#Society, as we have known it, it coming apart at the seams! The basic reason
#is that human life has been devalued to the point were killing someone is
#"No Big Deal". Kid's see hundreds on murderous acts on TV, we can abort
#children on demand, and kill the sick and old at will. So why be surprised
#when some kids drop 20 lbs rocks and kill people. They don't care because the
#message they hear is "Life is Cheap"!
And the education system and the Religious Leaders aren't doing much
about it, either.  With both parents working in this society, where is
the stabilizing influence at home?   Latchkey children are everywhere!
And these latchkey kids can watch whatever rotten videos and listen to
whatever violent hate-promoting "music" and videos they like because no
one is home to stop it.
This day and age, when there is about 100 times more things to learn
than when I went to school, our answer to this increased knowledge is
shorter school hours and more leisure time!  I say keep the kids in
school longer, feed them good food and teach them something, and when
they get home, have a parent there to interact and monitor them.  There
is a very old and now forgotten proverb: a child left on his own will
bring a parent to grief.  Daycare systems are not the answer.  This is
just shifting the parents' own responsibilities off on someone else to
whom it's not a life-long committment, but rather just a job.
#
#AT
Followups should go to alt.parents-teens
Fred W. Bach ,    Operations Group        |  Internet: music@erich.triumf.ca
TRIUMF (TRI-University Meson Facility)    |  Voice:  604-222-1047 loc 327/278
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These are my opinions, which should ONLY make you read, think, and question.
They do NOT necessarily reflect the views of my employer or fellow workers.
From: music@erich.triumf.ca (FRED W. BACH)
Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
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In article <NEILSON.93Apr15135919@seoul.mpr.ca>, neilson@seoul.mpr.ca (Robert Neilson) writes...
#[sorry for the 0 auto content, but ... ]
#
#> That is why low-abiding citizens should have the power to protect themselves
#> and their property using deadly force if necessary anywhere a threat is
#> imminent.
#>
#> Steve Heracleous
#
#You do have the power Steve. You *can* do it. Why don't you? Why don't you
#go shoot some kids who are tossing rocks onto cars? Make sure you do a good
#job though - don't miss - 'cause like they have big rocks - and take it from
#me - those kids are mean.
This last comment was obviously a bit cynical, but a true statement of
the attitude of some drivers (there's your "autos" content), I would say.
What law-abiding (not "low-abiding" as above (talk about Freudian slips!))
citizens have the right and responsibility to do is try to PREVENT this
type of behaviour in children.  A doctor may have to use "deadly force"
against a part of a body (like amputating it) when an infection/disease
has gone too far.  But his real desire would have been to *prevent* the
disease in the first place or at least nip it in the bud.
Followups should go to alt.parents-teens
Fred W. Bach ,    Operations Group        |  Internet: music@erich.triumf.ca
TRIUMF (TRI-University Meson Facility)    |  Voice:  604-222-1047 loc 327/278
4004 WESBROOK MALL, UBC CAMPUS            |  FAX:    604-222-1074
University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., CANADA   V6T 2A3
These are my opinions, which should ONLY make you read, think, and question.
They do NOT necessarily reflect the views of my employer or fellow workers.
From: music@erich.triumf.ca (FRED W. BACH)
Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
Lines: 33
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: erich.triumf.ca
Keywords: BRICK, TRUCK, DANGER
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41
In article <C5JoIt.E31@bcstec.ca.boeing.com>, neil@bcstec.ca.boeing.com
(Neil Williams) writes...
#
#As long as we're on the subject... Several years ago myself and two others
#were riding in the front of a Toyota pickup heading south on Interstate 5
#north of Seattle, WA. Someone threw a rock of an overpass and hit our
#windshield. Not by accident I'm sure, it was impossible to get up to the
#overpass quickly to see who did it. We figured it was kids, reported it and
#left.
#A couple of years ago it happend again and killed a guy at my company. He was
#in his mid-fourties and left behind a wife and children. Turned out there was
#a reformatory for juviniles a few blocks away. They caught the 14 year old
#that did it. They put a cover over the overpass, what else could they do?
#I don't think I'll over forget this story.
#Neil Williams, Boeing Computer Services, Bellevue WA.
#..
#
Neil, what did they do to the 14-year-old who they caught?  What did
the man's insurance company do?  This could be significant and in any case
very interesting.
Followups to alt.parents-teens.
Fred W. Bach ,    Operations Group        |  Internet: music@erich.triumf.ca
TRIUMF (TRI-University Meson Facility)    |  Voice:  604-222-1047 loc 327/278
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These are my opinions, which should ONLY make you read, think, and question.
They do NOT necessarily reflect the views of my employer or fellow workers.
From: eliot@lanmola.engr.washington.edu (eliot)
Subject: Re: Manual Shift Bigots
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In article <C5o4nH.3su@news.cso.uiuc.edu> mchaffee@dcl-nxt07 (Michael T Chaffee) writes:
>W/r/t performance, converter lockup is purely irrelevant.  The lockup only
>occurs at light throttle settings and serves only to improve MPG.  Mind you,
>a converter clutch does a lovely job of improving MPG, but the additional
>mechanical advantage of the converter gives you more acceleration (vs. locked
>converter clutch) than its inherent losses take away.
the transmission in my car contradicts both your assertions..  i get much
stronger acceleration if i let the convertor lockup.. which i can induce
by briefly lifting off,  then quickly (but not too quickly to trigger
a kickdown) applying throttle.  above 3000 rpms, the convertor will never
unlock;  it would kickdown first.
who says there's no skill involved in driving an automatic?  i think
of it as the throttle and shifter combined into a single pedal.  with
my car i can pretty much influence its shifting patterns with my
right foot, while having both hands to steer.
eliot
From: markm@latium. (Mark Monninger)
Subject: Bimmer vs Beamer
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Although not in direct response to the referenced article, just to set the
record straight, Beamers are BMW motorcycles. BMW cars are Bimmers. Please,
let's get our terms straight.
Actually, some purists would argue that the only true Bimmer is a round
tail light 2002 or 1600.
Mark
From: kastle@wpi.WPI.EDU (Jacques W Brouillette)
Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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Keywords: BRICK, TRUCK, DANGER
Could we plase cease this discussion.  I fail to see why people feel the need
to expound upon this issue for days and days on end.  These areas are not meant for this type of discussion.  If you feel the need to do such things, please
take your thought elsewhere.  Thanks.
--
: I want only two things from this world, a 58 Plymouth and a small  :
: OPEC nation with which to fuel it.  This would be a good and just  :
: thing.  Car Smashers can just go home and sulk.                    :
:        Jacques Brouillette ---  Manufacturing Engineering          :
From: CPKJP@vm.cc.latech.edu (Kevin Parker)
Subject: Insurance Rates on Performance Cars SUMMARY
Organization: Louisiana Tech University
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I recently posted an article asking what kind of rates single, male
drivers under 25 yrs old were paying on performance cars. Here's a summary of
the replies I received.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm not under 25 anymore (but is 27 close enough).
1992 Dodge Stealth RT/Twin Turbo (300hp model).
No tickets, no accidents, own a house, have taken defensive driving 1,
airbag, abs, security alarm, single.
$1500/year  $500 decut. State Farm Insurance (this includes the additional $100
for the $1,000,000 umbrella policy over my car and house)  The base
policy is the standard $100,000 - $100,000 - $300,000 policy required in DE.
After 2nd defensive driving course it will be 5% less.
I bought the car in September 1992.  The company I was with (never had
and accident or ticket in 11 years) quoted me $2,500.
Hope this helps.
Steve Flynn
University of Delaware
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Kevin:
(Hope I remembered your name correctly)...
You asked about insurance for performance cars.  Well, last year
I was in a similar situation before I bought my car, and made the
same inquiry as you.
Age: 24 (then and now)
Car: 1992 Eagle Talon TSi AWD
Driving Record: Clean
State: Illinois
Cost: $820/6 mos.
I turn 25 in May and the insurance goes down to $520/6 mos.
Also, I'm single and that incurs a higher rate with my company.
I've got a couple other friends w/ AWDs and they pay more
than I do (different ins. companies also), so maybe I'm just lucky.
Hope the info helps.
Dan
[dans@jdc.gss.mot.com]
Motorola Cellular Subscriber Group
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USA
Cc:
I'm 23; live in Norman, Oklahoma; drive an '89 Thunderbird SC; have
never made a claim against my insurance (though I have been hit
several times by negligent drivers who couldn't see stop signs or
were fiddling with their radios); and I have had three moving violations
in the last 18 months (one for going 85 in a 55; one for "failure to
clear an intersection" (I still say the damn light was yellow); and
one for going 35 in a 25 (which didn't go on my record)). My rates
from State Farm (with a passive restraint deduction) on liability,
$500 deductible comprehensive, and $500 deductible collision are
roughly $1300/year. (I was paying just over $1100/year for a '92 Escort LX.)
James
James P. Callison    Microcomputer Coordinator, U of Oklahoma Law Center
Callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu   /\    Callison@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu
DISCLAIMER: I'm not an engineer, but I play one at work...
The forecast calls for Thunder...'89 T-Bird SC
"It's a hell of a thing, killing a man. You take away all he has
and all he's ever gonna have."
--Will Munny, "Unforgiven"
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I am beyond the "under 25" age group, but I have an experience a few
years ago that might be interesting to you.  I owned a 1985 Toyota Celica
GT.  I decided to buy myself a gift - a more exotic car.  Front runners
included the Toyota Supra Turbo and the Porsche 924 (1987 model years).
I narrowed it down to those two.  I liked the simplicity and handling
(and snob appeal, too) of driving a Porsche.  The Supra Turbo was less
money and had more features and performance - almost a personal luxury
car.  It had better acceleration and a higher top speed than the 924.
I was almost ready to give in to a buying impulse for the 924, but i
decided to stop by my insurance agent's office on the way.  I asked
about what would happen to my rate with either car.
"If you buy the Supra, your rate classification will be the same as
the Celica (the '85 Celica was considered a subcompact and for that
year was rated as one of the safest cars), with a slight increase because
the car will be 2 years newer.  Our lower-risk division will continue
to handle your account.
"If you buy the Porsche 924, we'll have to change you to the standard
[higher] rate company and your rate will double.  And if you go with
a 944, it's another story again - we'll cover the rest of this year,
but cancel you after that."
"But the Supra is much faster than the 924, and the 924 is actually
faster than the [standard] 944.  That doens't make sense."
That's what the book says.  We don't insure Corvettes, either.  For
some reason, the underwriters consider Supras - and their drivers -
as very traditional and conservative."
I eventually went with the Supra for a number of reasons.  The Porsche
dealer had a nice salesman to get me interested, but a tough high-pressure
guy in the back room.  At equal monthly payments, it would have taken
a year longer to pay for the Porsche, plus its higher insurance.  I
concluded that the high insurance was related to probability of auto
theft.
/|/| /||)|/  /~ /\| |\|)[~|)/~   |   Everyone's entitled to MY opinion.
/ | |/ ||\|\  \_|\/|_|/|)[_|\\_|  |      goldberg@oasys.dt.navy.mil
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I live in Idaho.  When I was <26 many years ago (10 years) I bought a Trans
Am (new).  Insurance was about $1300/year.  When I turned 26, it immediately
dropped to $460/year.  I had not had any accidents before or after, this was
strictly an age change.  That same rate stayed pretty much the same until I
sold the car 2 years ago.  My F-150 pickup is about $80/year less.
The real amazing thing is that when I woke up at age 25, I felt SO MUCH MORE
RESPONSIBLE than I was before...  :-)
Wes
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For your information:
California
Male, single, under 25 , No moving violation
Alfa Spider
=======> $2000 / year
What a bargain!!!
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Let's see, I'm 24, single, male, clean driving record. I have a 92 VW COrrado
VR6. I live in San Jose, California. I pay ~1500$ a year through Allstate. A
good deal if you ask me.
I was thinking about getting a Talon, but I think the insurance is higher
for a "turbo" sports car vs a V6
-W
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1986 Honda CRX Si, clean record, in a small New Mexico town was around $800
per year, age 24.
Nearby city rates were 1.5X-2X higher than where I've got mine insured.
..robert
--
Robert Stack / Institute of Transportation Studies, Univ of California-Irvine
stack@translab.its.uci.edu   '92 Mazda Protege LX
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1300 per year, 1992 Saturn SC, 21 Years old, State: New Mexico,
Insurance: State Farm.
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Here is my info:
Car             : '89 Toyota Celica ST
Insurance Co    : Farmer's Insurance
Yearly insurance: $2028
Age             : 24
Date of license : Oct 14, 1992
Residence       : Mountain View, California
No moving violations (for now atleast ;-)
Hope this helps. Please post a summary if possible.
Vijay
**********************************************************************
Vijay Anisetti
Email: anisetti@informix.com   Apt: (415)962-0320   Off: (415)926-6547
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Single, 24 years old, Eagle Talon Turbo AWD, $1200 (full-cover, reasonable
liability)
No tickets, No violations, No accidents... (knock on wood...)
Mass,
One thing that makes a HUGE difference in MASS is the town you live in.
I'm personally in one of the best towns within reasonable distance
of Boston.  If I moved to the absolute best it would go down to about
$1150, if I moved to the worst it would be $2000+..
Also one accident and a couple of tickets, would probably add another $600...
_RV
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I have a 1990 Mitsubishi eclipse turbo awd, am 23 years old and have no
tickets that went on my record.  I live in Illinois just outside of Chicago
and pay $1560 a year with full coverage at State Farm.  I did get a small
discount because of my alarm system($30 a year).  I only live 15 miles from
Chicago but if I actually lived in the city the price would be about $2000
a year.
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I'm over 25, but in case you're interested anyway, I'm insuring a 93 SHO
for $287/6 month.  Thats 100k personal+300k total+100k property with
250 deductible, glass and towing, State Farm.
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Unless you are under 20 or have been driving for less than 5
years, I think you are being seriously ripped off.  I don't have
one of the performance cars you listed, but if your record is
clean, then you should not be paying over $2K.
Did you try calling all the insurance dealers you could find?
Although rates are supposed to be standardized, I've found that
most places I initially call, give me some ridiculously high
quote and *finaly*, I hit one that is much lower.
Also, I have changed insurance companies when the rate went up at
renewal (no accidents, tickets, car gets older??) to maintain a low
rate.  You always have to be careful when it comes to insurance
companies 8^).
Good luck,
Serge
From: jsmith@cs.dal.ca (Jeff Smith)
Subject: Header for 89' Honda Civic Si
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
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Hello,
I am looking to slightly increase the performance of my 89 Honda
Civic Si.  I was wondering if anyone could suggest upgrades that were not
too drastic.  I thought that one of the easiest upgrades would be a new
header.  Does anyone know what kind of increase that the header would give
me?  I think I would check with Jackson Racing for the part.  Are there
any other comparines would make Honda parts.
Are there any other small changes that can be easily made and won't
screw up the car.  Things like new injectors?, new fuel injection chip etc?
I would welcome any suggestions of small changes that would make a
difference.
I don't really want to change the cam etc because I have heard that it
would be much harder on the engine.
E-Mail relpies prefered please and I will post a summary of all the replies.
Thanks for any help you may have to offer!
--
Jeff Smith			jsmith@cs.dal.ca
Dalhousie University		Halifax, NS
From: rmt6r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Roy Matthew Thigpen)
Subject: Re: Impala SS going into production!
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: na
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qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu  writes:
> --From the latest issue of AutoWeek, the Chevy Impala SS will arrive in
> dealer showrooms in mid-1994.  Dealers have already been notified.  No word
> on the changes to be made for the production version.  My question to all of
> you is would you buy it?  And how much would you pay for it?
>
> Aamir Qazi
> qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
> --Why should I care?  I'd rather watch drying paint.
>
> --
>
> Aamir Qazi
> qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
> --Why should I care?  I'd rather watch drying paint
Alright GM!!!! Finally my wishes have come true, Moby Dick with a Corvette
engine.  DOn't you think they should maybe spend the money doing something
about the lousy build/quality/design of their bigger selling cars?  This is
another example of why GM is in so much trouble.  If you're going to stick
the LT-1 or ZR-1 engine in a car, at least make it a nice looking one.
Sheesh
.
From: rmt6r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Roy Matthew Thigpen)
Subject: Re: Chrysler New Yorker LHS (was Re: Chryslers Compact LH Sedans?)
Organization: University of Virginia
Lines: 7
Warren Brown, the Washington Post's auto writer was the first journalist
to get his hands on the New Yorker.  If you'd like his impressions of it
his review appeared in Friday's paper, in the "Weekend" section.
He is not your traditional auto writer...
Enjoy.
From: murthy@watson.ibm.com (Sesh Murthy)
Subject: Re: Bimmer vs Beamer
Distribution: usa
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
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In article <1993Apr18.173934.14572@newsgate.sps.mot.com>, markm@latium. (Mark Monninger) writes:
|> Although not in direct response to the referenced article, just to set the
|> record straight, Beamers are BMW motorcycles. BMW cars are Bimmers. Please,
^^^^^^^
Huh!  I though Beamers were IBM employees :-)
|> let's get our terms straight.
|>
|> Actually, some purists would argue that the only true Bimmer is a round
|> tail light 2002 or 1600.
|>
|> Mark
From: brian@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov (Brian Donnell)
Subject: FOR SALE: '91 Celica Repair Manuals
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Organization: NASA/ARC Information Sciences Division
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Two-volume soft-cover repair manuals
for all models of '91 Toyota Celicas.
(Probably good for '92 models as well.)
Like new condition.
These are the manuals used by the
Toyota dealers' mechanics - they normally
cost over $80 new.
$50 OBO
Brian Donnell
brian@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov
From: adn6285@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: MR2 parts
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Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
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Does anyone know of a dead first generation MR2? I need body parts, steering
rack, and a few minor pieces. I was about to buy a parts car, but the owner
backed out after 3 month of pulling my leg. ARRRRgh.
Mike.S
From: hagenjd@wfu.edu (Jeff Hagen)
Subject: Improvements in Automatic Transmissions
Organization: Wake Forest University
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Summary: query
Keywords: Saturn, Subaru, manual, automatic
The biggest hurdle for automatics (IMHO) is not shifting speed
per se, but rather the transmission's reaction speed when you
try to force it to shift manually.
This was the biggest fault with the Subaru ECVT -- it took SOOOOOO
LONNNNNNNNGGGGG for the tranny to find the right ratio.
The sales propaganda says the Saturn automatic is effectively an
electronically-shifted manual.  Might this mean that Saturn has
conquered the problem?  (I dunno, only driven Saturn 5-speeds)
INPUT, PLEASE!
Another question:  Any plans for a manual-trans Chrysler LH?
Does anyone else out there fall asleep at night dreaming of this combo?
From: mad9a@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Michael A. Davis)
Subject: Slick 50, any good?
Organization: University of Virginia
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Chances are that this has been discussed to death already, and
if so could someone who has kept the discussion mail me or direct me
to an archive site. Basically,
I am just wondering if Slick 50 really does all it says that it does.
And also, is there any data to support the claim.  Thanks for any info.
Mike Davis
mad9a@fermi.clas.virginia.edu
From: hagenjd@wfu.edu (Jeff Hagen)
Subject: Re: Lois Chevrolet?
Organization: Wake Forest University
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The Chevrolet brothers were respected racers & test drivers for the
Buick Co. when Durant was there.
When the directors kicked Durant out of GM in 1910 he took Chevrolet and
others with him.  As mentioned before, they founded the successful
Chevrolet company.
A little-known fact is that the Chevrolet Co. actually took over GM!
That was how Durant got back in charge of GM-- legally his new company
Chevrolet Co. did the buying, and GM was a division of Chevrolet!
After 1920 and into the Sloan era, GM shuffled things so that the GM
board was superior, but there was always a degree of autonomy given
the Chevy division, presumably because of the initial structure.
(If you look at the organization chart for GM in Sloan's book, Chevy
division reports directly to 14th floor, not through the "passenger
car division" which covers Buick, Olds, Cadillac, and Oakland/Pontiac)
-Jeff Hagen    (minor deity of worthless auto-trivia)
hagenjd@ac.wfu.edu
From: grady@world.std.com (Dick Grady)
Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
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In article <0w2Z2B1w164w@cellar.org> blu@cellar.org (Dan Reed) writes:
>Fact is, I just leave the valet key in my glovebox for whenever
>I need it...
That will make it easy for a car thief.
Saves him/her the trouble of popping your ignition!
--
Dick Grady           Salem, NH,  USA            grady@world.std.com
So many newsgroups, so little time!
From: grady@world.std.com (Dick Grady)
Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
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In article <C5HqJ0.57@unix.amherst.edu> bhtulin@unix.amherst.edu (Barak H. Tulin) writes:
>I just started reading this thread today, so forgive me if it has already been
>mentioned.  But...what was the deal with Renault's putting the horn on the
>left-hand turn-signal stalk?  It was a button on the end, where the washer
>button would be on the wiper/washer stalk.  Could the Frenchies not figure
>out the wiring through the steering wheel, or what?
Ford tried that also, back in 1983.  My 1983 Ranger Pickup had the horn at
the end of the turn-signal stalk, instead of in the center of the wheel where
God intended it to be. :-)  I drove two different cars then (the other an
1984 Camry), and never did get used to pushing the turn-signal stalk to
blow the horn.  The only time I got it right was when I was getting the
annual state-required safety inspection!
Not one of Ford's better ideas.
--
Dick Grady           Salem, NH,  USA            grady@world.std.com
So many newsgroups, so little time!
From: tommy@boole.att.com (Tommy Reingold)
Subject: Re: Where can I get a New York taxi?
Reply-To: tommy@boole.att.com
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Holmdel, NJ, USA
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wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:
$ [...]
$ 	Actually, you want a Checker Special if you can find one.
$ 	Good luck.  I'm sorry I let mine go...
I grew up in New York City so I rode in many Checker cabs.  The jump
seats were fun as a kid.  Although the cars were roomy -- a good trait
for a taxi -- they had a design flaw that I don't understand they never
fixed: the rear passengers tended to fall out of their seats when the
driver braked.  I wouldn't want to take a long ride in the back seat of
one of these vehicles.  Why did you like yours?  I never drove one, so
I have to ask.
--
Tommy Reingold
AT&T Bell Labs, Holmdel, NJ
tommy@boole.att.com or att!boole!tommy
From: grady@world.std.com (Dick Grady)
Subject: Re: seating ergonomics - headroom
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
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In article <930411.153152.amiller@almaden.ibm.com> amiller@almaden.ibm.com (Alex Miller) writes:
>My physical therapist has suggested that a good driving position
>for me is to have my back nearly vertical and for my knees not
>to be much higher than my hips.
> [...]
>Are there any cars that are particularly good in respect to
>having both headroom and a well designed seat height?
Take a look at mini-vans.  I sat in a Dodge Caravan, which had a high seat
and plenty of headroom.
--
Dick Grady           Salem, NH,  USA            grady@world.std.com
So many newsgroups, so little time!
From: tommy@boole.att.com (Tommy Reingold)
Subject: Re: Improvements in Automatic Transmissions
Reply-To: tommy@boole.att.com
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Holmdel, NJ, USA
Originator: tommy@hoodlum
Keywords: Saturn, Subaru, manual, automatic
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hagenjd@wfu.edu (Jeff Hagen) writes:
$ The biggest hurdle for automatics (IMHO) is not shifting speed
$ per se, but rather the transmission's reaction speed when you
$ try to force it to shift manually.
$ [...]
I rented an Oldsmobile Achieva (is that a yuppie name or what?) and a
Nissan Stanza.  They both had automatics.  I'm a manual transmission
bigot but I have to admit that the transmissions on these cars were
better shifters than I am.  And yes, they responded very quickly to
kickdown requests.  The Nissan had a tachometer so I was able to figure
out which gear I was in.  (The Olds may have also, but I don't
remember.)  I believe it shifted all the way down to second at about 50
mph when my foot told it, "No I really want to accelerate quickly."
I would still prefer a manual, but I won't delude myself into thinking
that I can out-accelerate a modern automatic.  And I'm very smooth at
shifting but certainly not as good as an automatic.
--
Tommy Reingold
AT&T Bell Labs, Holmdel, NJ
tommy@boole.att.com or att!boole!tommy
From: ip02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Danny Phornprapha)
Subject: 300ZX or SC300???
Organization: Lehigh University
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Hi everyone,
I'm getting a car in the near future.  I've narrow it down to 300ZX and SC300.
Which might be a better choice?
Thanks for your opnion,
Danny
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From: 6500alh@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Archie Holmes)
Subject: Prizm's Radio Question
Keywords: prizm, geo, radio, theft
Distribution: rec
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I was lloking at the Geo Prizm Lsi today (very nice).  Anyway, I had a
questions that the salesperson couldn't answer.  How does the theft
deterrent on the Prizm's audio systems work?  Can't find the answer
in any of Geo's lterature.  Thanks in advance.
Archie Holmes
From: rts@nwu.edu (Ted Schreiber)
Subject: Opinions on recent Alfa Spiders
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Organization: Mechanical Engineering
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Anyone have any opinions on fairly recent model Alfa Spiders ( 86-> )
Reliablilty for what their class ( I'm not talking Alfa vs. Toyota corrola
which is more relaible )
As far as I can discern, in recent years, there are 3 levels with all
basically the same mechanical aspects.
Please email any responses
Ted Schreiber
Mechanical Enginering
Northwestern University
Tel: 708.491.5386 FAX 708.491.3915 Email: rts@nwu.edu
From: zampicem@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Mike Zampiceni)
Subject: Re: mazda - just does not feel right
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Lines: 2
The car might also need a front end alignment, particularly if you're
describing wandering.
From: grady@world.std.com (Dick Grady)
Subject: Re: Car buying story, was: Christ, another dealer service scam...
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: usa
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In article <93106.161324LIBEMC@BYUVM.BITNET> <LIBEMC@BYUVM.BITNET> writes:
>Mark states in his post to know the dealer price and offer $200-$300
>above.  My husband and I are in the market to buy our first car
>together, and neither of us know how to go about it.  How do
>you find out the dealer price?  Are their books to look in?  Do
>you send away somewhere for it?
Several company publish periodicals (3 or 4 times a year) which list the
sticker prices and the dealer invoice prices of all the cars and their
options.  Edmund's is the name of one such price guide.  You can find
these price guides at most places which sell magazines.
--
Dick Grady           Salem, NH,  USA            grady@world.std.com
So many newsgroups, so little time!
Subject: Traffic Rules at intersections
From: jsv@math.canterbury.ac.nz (Julian Visch)
Organization: Department of Mathematics, University of Canterbury
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I am presently doing a masters thesis to do with traffic intersections in
New Zealand but a lot of the books I am researching from, are from America or
Australia and so I was wondering if anyone could please tell me what the road
rules are in either country with regard to intersections.
Thanks
Julian Visch
jsv@math.canterbury.ac.nz
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From: Jay Lorenzana <U40348@uicvm.uic.edu>
Subject: Eagle Talon TSi--LEMON?
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Dear Netters:
I am looking to buy a used Eagle Talon '91 or '91 TSi AWD.
Question is that the '91 TSi AWD was mentioned in the
April Consumer Reports to a car to avoid!
In particular, the manual transmission, electrical system,
and brakes were below par (in both models).  A friend of mine
ownes a '90 TSi AWD and he has had 2 brake jobs (pads), one
stuck valve, and some clutch/transmission problem, something
about sticking/grinding into second gear.  This doesn't seem
too bad if one "beats" on his car.
I am willing to suffer reliability--for speed and looks.  Seems
you have to pay big buck if you want all three.  Anyway can
anyone please let me know how you like your Talon, and any
problems you may have had, and if the repairs are worth it.
Thanks for any responses!
-Jay
From: atom@netcom.com (Allen Tom)
Subject: Re: Dumb options list
Organization: Sirius Cybernetics Corporation - Complaints
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In article <93Apr16.185044.18431@acs.ucalgary.ca> parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes:
>The idea here is to list pointless options. You know, stuff you
>get on a car that has no earthly use?
>
>
>1) Power windows
I like my power windows. I think they're worth it.
However, cruise control is a pretty dumb option. What's the point?
If you're on a long trip, you floor the gas and keep your eyes on
the rear-view mirror for cops, right?
Power seats are pretty dumb too, unless you're unlucky enough to have
to share your car. Otherwise, you'd just adjust it once and just leave
it like that.
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| atom@soda.berkeley.edu  |  things I do... Wax paper... Boiled football
| atom@netcom.com         |  leather... Dog breath... WE'RE NOT HITCHHIKING
+-------------------------+  ANYMORE... WE'RE RIDING!" -- ren
From: smorris@sumax.seattleu.edu (Steven A. Morris)
Subject: Re: wife wants convertible
Organization: Addiction Studies Program, Seattle University
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If you hold off, there are a number of interesting convertibles coming
to market in the next few years.
The new LeBaron will be based on the Mitsubishi Galant, which should
be an improvement over the current model.
The new PL compact will have a convertible option (also a chrysler
product)
Kia, makers of the Ford Festiva is planning a larger convertible.
--
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Addiction Studies Pgm : uucp    :{uw-beaver,uunet!gtenmc!dataio}!sumax!smorris
Seattle University    : Phone   : (206) 296-5350 (dept) or 296-5351 (direct)
Seattle, WA 98122_____:________________________________________________________
From: eliot@lanmola.engr.washington.edu (eliot)
Subject: Re: Improvements in Automatic Transmissions
Keywords: Saturn, Subaru, manual, automatic
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an excellent automatic can be found in the subaru legacy.  it switches to
"sport" mode when the electronics figure it,  not when the driver sets
the switch.. which is the proper way to do it, IMO.  so what does "sport"
mode entail?  several things:
1) revving to red line (or to the rev limiter in the case of the legacy)
2) delayed upshifts.  (i.e. if you lift off briefly, it will remain in the
low gear.  this is handy if you are charging through corners and
would like to do without the distraction of upshifts when there's
another curve approaching)
3) part throttle downshifts, based on the *speed* at which the pedal is
depressed, rather than the *position* of the pedal.  modern
electronics can measure this very easily and switch to sport mode.
this is wonderful if you want to charge through a green light about
to turn red.  my audi senses this very well and can downshift on as
little as half throttle if my right foot is fast enough.
also, i think that a smart automatic can deliver better gas mileage
than a dumb driver with a stick, all else being equal.. remember that
the idea of a stick being more economical than an automatic makes a
big assumption that the driver is smart enough to know what gear to
use for each situation.. how many times have you ridden with an
inattentive driver cruising on the highway at 55/65 in 4th gear (of a
5 speed)?
how many % of people who drive manuals *really* know what the best
gear to use is for every conceivable situation?  i'm sure there will
be some who know, but i suspect that a chip controlled automatic with
all possible scenario/ratio combinations stored in ROM is likely to do
better.  i can also say that all my previous assumptions were proved
wrong after i got a car with instantaneous mpg readout... high gear,
low revs and wide open throttle is more economical than low gear, high
revs and small throttle opening.  the explanation is quite simple if
one sits down to think about it, but not that obvious at first sight.
eliot
From: dduff@col.hp.com (Dave Duff)
Subject: Re: Taurus/Sable rotor recall
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division
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We get about 20 Taurus/Sables for fleet cars at our site every year, then the
company sells them a year later to employees. The folks I know who drive/buy
them have no complaints. The cars seem to drive real nice too.
From: crh@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.dbp.de (Christian Huebner)
Subject: Re: Manual Shift Bigots
Organization: Technical University of Munich, Germany
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In rec.autos you write:
>if ayrton senna can drive a racecar with fully automatic transmission,
>it can't be half bad..  :-)
This McLaren auto-transmission (I still think it's only half auto,
but You may be right) has NOTHING to do with Your GM, Chrysler, Volvo,
or whatever auto transmission. It's a normal manual transmission
gearbox with clutch and all, but there are servo motors, which do
the shifting.
That means, there is no power loss in the drivetrain (if You take out
minimal mechanical friction), and the sami-auto transmissions
(Ferrari, Williams, McLaren(?),...) don't tell You, when to shift,
either. However, these transmissions share an important disadvantage
with Your stock auto-trannie: They are EXPENSIVE.
As long as these servo-shifted gearboxes aren't available on
'normal' cars I'm gonna stick with my manual. I just can't see an
advantage to make up for two grand I lose in this deal and the
loss in mileage and power (except maybe in real heavy traffic). But
then I drive mostly on the autobahn and country roads anyway.
There's no point in making a religion out of this, I just wanted to
point out a few technical facts and MY OWN opinion, so there's
no need for a flame war.
>eliot
Have a safe ride
Chris
From: issa@cwis.unomaha.edu (Issa El-Hazin)
Subject: Re: 300ZX or SC300???
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
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ip02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Danny Phornprapha) writes:
>Hi everyone,
>I'm getting a car in the near future.  I've narrow it down to 300ZX and SC300.
>Which might be a better choice?
>Thanks for your opnion,
>Danny
>--
I've been asking myself this same question for the past year, so, if/when
you find out, would you please share the magistic answer with me..
The way I see it right now, work twice as hard so you can have both.
cheers :)
Issa
From: zaphod@madnix.uucp (Ron Bean)
Subject: Re: RFI: Art of clutchless shifting
Organization: ARP Software
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jong@halcyon.com (Barking Weasel) writes:
>schludermann@sscvx1.ssc.gov writes:
>>My technique is to ease back off the throttle and at the same time gently
>>wrist back on the shift lever. If for some reason I miss the shift window,
>>I lightly press the accelerator & try agian. I've found that clutchless
>>shifting is eaiser/quicker at high rpms (4000-7000). I also skip gears some
>>times using 1-3-5 ,1-2-4-5.
>
>        Sounds about right.  I usually slip it out during throttle-down
>and then blip the throttle and wait until it feels like things are right
>(usually about a second) and then slip it into gear...
So, how did you guys *learn* this? Is it something you were
born with, or did you make horrible grinding noises the first few
times? (how many times?)
I would think you'd have to have a certain amount of "feel"
for it to begin with. Some people would never get it, and others
(like me) would never have the guts to try it, unless maybe you
were planning to buy a new transmission anyway...
(BTW, I've heard that quite a few truckers and race car
drivers shift this way).
==================
zaphod@madnix.UUCP (Ron Bean)
uwvax!astroatc!nicmad!madnix!zaphod
From: mac1@Isis.MsState.Edu (Mubashir Cheema)
Subject: 1st time Chrysler buyer, $400 off really ?
Summary: $400 off
Keywords: $400 off
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Organization: Mississippi State University
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Hello World,
just bought a new Stealth two weeks ago. Got a grad student
rebate. Someone told me that there's another $400 reabet for 1st time
Chrysler buyer. True ? If yes can I still get it or am I too late ?
Mubashir Cheema
Sparco Communications				Ph: (601) 323-5360
LaGalarie 					Fax:(601) 324-6433
500 Russell Street, Suite 20			email: mac1@ra.msstate.edu
Starkville, MS 39759
From: hong@remus.rutgers.edu (Hyunki Hong)
Subject: VW Passat:  advice sought
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.
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I am currently in the car market and would like opinions on a VW
Passat GLX.  How does it compare to a Toyota Camry?  I thought the car
looked very solid, stable and European.  Only disappointment so far is
that that it doesn't offer an airbao my next question is, why isn't VW
offering automobiles with airbags?  Should I pay the extra three
thousand for a BMW 318 is even though it is smaller and less powerful
than than the Passat?
From: hhtra@usho0b.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock)
Subject: Re: I'm getting a car, I need opinions.
Organization: Chevron
Lines: 19
In article <1993Apr17.175451.30896@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, ip02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Danny Phornprapha) writes:
|>
|> I have $30,000 as my budget.  I'm looking for a sports or GT car.
|> What do you think would be the best buy?
Well, for a bit more you could get an Mazda RX-7, definitely a BEST.
For under $30k you're stuck with (in no particular order):
Chevy Camaro Z28 LT1-1
Ponitac Firebird Firehawk
Ford Mustang Cobra
Toyota MR2 Turbo
GMC Typhoon  ;)
TRAVIS
From: rremaley@bcm.tmc.edu
Subject: Re: $6700 for hail damage - a record?
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
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Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.249.27.175
I was in the great storm.....my Mazda MPV was damaged so bad they are
going to replace the top, doors and hood. It is Black so they will repaint
the entire vehicle...estimated cost around $7000 and repair time approx. 3
to 4 weeks.
rremaley@bcm.tmc.edu
From: music@erich.triumf.ca (FRED W. BACH)
Subject: Re: Auto air conditioning without Freon
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
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Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: erich.triumf.ca
Keywords: R12, R-12, freon, CFC, greenhouse
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41
In article <1993Apr19.220321.4565@research.nj.nec.com>, behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes...
#In article <1993Apr16.160825.25622@newsgate.sps.mot.com> rapw20@email.sps.mot.com writes:
#>In article <1993Apr15.222600.11690@research.nj.nec.com>
#>behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:
#>>  ...
#>> 	Several chemists already have come up with several substitutes for
#>> R12.  You don't hear about them because the Mobile Air Conditioning
#>Society
#>> (MACS), that is, the people who stand to rake in that $300 to $1000 per
#>> retrofit per automobile, have mounted an organized campaign to squash
#>those
#>> R12 substitutes out of existence if not ban them altogether (on very
#>shaky
#>> technical grounds, at best, on outright lies at worst).
#>>  ...
#>
#>Now, I'm not saying you're wrong because I know that the R-12 substitutes
#>exist, but this sounds a lot like the 200mpg carbs that the oil companies
#>keep us all from getting.
#
#	It sounds crazy, but it's true.  One of the best R-12 subsitutes,
#GHG-12, is currently a commercial product.  Unfortunately, the SAE committee
#on mobile air conditioning is comprised almost exclusively of MACS members.
#Such being the case, no papers about any alternative refrigerant other than
#R-134a have been accepted for review/publication.
#
#	Yo, John?  You want to provide some more details?  Or should I just
#repost your voluminous repost?
#
#Later,
#--
#Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
#behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
#Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC	  1991 ZX-11 - needs a name
#agree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.
We here are *VERY* interested in info on R12 substitutes (in fact I
think we really need all the info on this we can get).
I would really appreciate technical, supply, and hardware-upgrade
details.
Also, R12 is a useful solvent/reagent in the extraction/production of
certain pharmaceuticals.  Any info on the substitutes' corresponding
usefullness?
I am currently working with the local engineers who are making sure
we are compliant with the regulations.  The trouble with regulations is
that they only tell you what you are no longer permitted to do, not what
you should do instead.
I think the cause of the new regulations is the Montreal Protocol
which has a definite CFC-phase-out schedule.  (Of course the cause of
the Montreal Protocol was all the research done on the causes of the
Ozone Depletion Problem.)
Someone asked earlier about why the governments were working so fast
to ban the ozone-depleting (CFC) chemicals and not gasolines and other
greenhouse-gas-producing compounds.  The greenhouse effect (produced by
infrared-trapping gasses like CO2 and methane) and the ozone-hole problem
(produced by long-lived, chlorine-containing molecules) are not the same
thing.  It is a lot easier to do something about not using the CFC's
(chloro-fluorocarbons) than it is to stop producing CO2 and methane which
are natural byproducts of combustion and of living (animal) organisms.
Planting more trees and not destroying so many existing trees would help
the greenhouse-gas problem, but would do nothing for the ozone problem.
Fred W. Bach ,    Operations Group        |  Internet: music@erich.triumf.ca
TRIUMF (TRI-University Meson Facility)    |  Voice:  604-222-1047 loc 327/278
4004 WESBROOK MALL, UBC CAMPUS            |  FAX:    604-222-1074
University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., CANADA   V6T 2A3
These are my opinions, which should ONLY make you read, think, and question.
They do NOT necessarily reflect the views of my employer or fellow workers.
From: kimata@convex.com (Hiroki Kimata)
Subject: Re: Open letter to NISSAN
Distribution: na
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Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
not necessarily those of CONVEX.
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In <1qideqINNl79@sumax.seattleu.edu> smorris@sumax.seattleu.edu (Steven A. Morris) writes:
>Hey, NISSAN, why aren't you guys making any station wagons?  You used
>to make a wagon on every platform (SENTRA, STANZA, MAXIMA) and now
>NONE AT ALL.
In fact, they make some ,but they just don't sell them here in U.S.
Sunny California is a 1.6l wagon based on Sentra.
Avenil is a 2.0l 4WD/2WD wagon .(It looks like Infinity G20
but actually it's independently designed to be a wagon.I mean, it's
not based on any sedans.)
Nissan had better consider to sell them here.
>After buying my SE-R and really loving it, I would like to buy another
>NISSAN product for my wife -- but prefer a wagon  (I've owned minivans
>and don't prefer them.)
>How about an ALTIMA wagon?  or a sentra wagon would do...
Sounds nice. But I doubt they have a plan. Coz Avenil was introduced
to replace any sedan based wagon.
>or, here's an even better suggestion, why don't you guys go ahead and
>buy the rest of Fuji Heavy Industries (Subaru) and put either an
>in-line 4 or V-6 into the LEGACY 4WD wagon.  I'd buy the Legacy in a
>minute if it had a Nissan engine instead of the Horizontal 4 that they
>seem sentimentally attached to.
>With all the Camry, Accord, Taurus, Volvo and Subaru wagons out there
>-- it's got to be a market segment that would be worthwhile!
>I can wait a year or two -- but if you don't have something to compete
>by the 1995 model I may have to go elsewhere.
>Thanks.
>--
>Steve Morris, M.A.    : Internet: smorris@sumax.seattleu.edu
>Addiction Studies Pgm : uucp    :{uw-beaver,uunet!gtenmc!dataio}!sumax!smorris
>Seattle University    : Phone   : (206) 296-5350 (dept) or 296-5351 (direct)
>Seattle, WA 98122_____:________________________________________________________
From: turbo@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gerald.l.lindahl)
Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...
Organization: AT&T
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From article <1993Apr15.024246.8076@Virginia.EDU>, by ejv2j@Virginia.EDU ("Erik Velapoldi"):
> This happened about a year ago on the Washington DC Beltway.
> Snot nosed drunken kids decided it would be really cool to
> throw huge rocks down on cars from an overpass.  Four or five
> cars were hit.  There were several serious injuries, and sadly
> a small girl sitting in the front seat of one of them was struck
> in the head by one of the larger rocks.  I don't recall if she
> made it, but I think she was comatose for a month or so and
> doctors weren't holding out hope that she'd live.
>
> What the hell is happening to this great country of ours?  I
> can see boyhood pranks of peeing off of bridges and such, but
> 20 pound rocks??!  Has our society really stooped this low??
>
> Erik velapold
Yes
!!!!
!
From: jason@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (Jason Hanson)
Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...
Organization: Marquette University - Department MSCS
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In article <1993Apr15.192250.18815@cbnewse.cb.att.com> turbo@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gerald.l.lindahl) writes:
>From article <1993Apr15.024246.8076@Virginia.EDU>, by ejv2j@Virginia.EDU ("Erik Velapoldi"):
>> This happened about a year ago on the Washington DC Beltway.
>> Snot nosed drunken kids decided it would be really cool to
>> throw huge rocks down on cars from an overpass.  Four or five
>> cars were hit.  There were several serious injuries, and sadly
About a year ago, some kids tossed a rock off an overpass on I-94 near Eau
Claire, Wisconsin and it killed the driver below.  (I believe he was a
schoolteacher from Minnesota.)
--
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Marquette University |   Milwaukee, WI 53233-2373   |  Ham Radio: N9LEA/AE
--  jason@studsys.mscs.mu.edu    ==+==    n9lea@n0ary.#nocal.ca.usa.na  --
From: jdenune@pandora.sdsu.edu (John Denune)
Subject: Re: Car buying story, was: Christ, another dealer service scam...
Organization: San Diego State University, College of Sciences
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Mark Monninger (markm@bigfoot.sps.mot.com) wrote:
: While not exactly a service incident, I had a similar experience recently
: when I bought a new truck.
: I had picked out the vehicle I wanted and after a little haggling we
: agreed on a price. I wrote them a check for the down payment plus tax
: and license and told them I'd be back that evening to pick up the truck.
: When I returned, I had to wait about an hour before the finance guy could
: get to me. When I finally got in there, everything went smoothly until he
: started adding up the numbers. He then discovered that they had
: miscalculated the tax & license by about $150. He then said he needed
: another $150 from me. I said we had already agreed on a price and it was
: their problem, I wasn't giving them any more money. The finance guy then
A similar thing happend to me a year ago.  I bought a used Ford Bronco
(which has since been stolen...  :(  )  and few weeks after I paid
and took delivery, they sent a letter telling me they goofed and
miscalculated the license renewal by $300 and that I need to send
in a check to "avoid further delay" in the processing of my registration.
The thing is, I had already received the pink slip from the DMV, so
I ignored it.  I received another letter and then the phone calls
started coming.  First from the finance guy and then from the general
manager, both hounding me for the extra money.  They left me alone
once I told them I already had the paperwork and pointed out the clause
in the contract that stated that the final price was just that: FINAL.
Afterall, they wouldn't budge if I had told them I wanted another
$300 off after the deal had been signed, right?  I told them not
to call again and that I would not do business with them in the future.
They didn't seem to have a problem with that.  This, after all, was a
used Ford at a Toyota dealership.
I had a much better experience buying a new Pathfinder about a month
ago.  It certainly pays to buy a car on the last Sunday of the month.
It was even raining too, so they had done very little business that
weekend and were really willing to deal.  I kept telling them I would
think about it, and they kept dropping the price.  Got a very good
deal and so far have been very please with the service.
---John
jdenune@pandora.sdsu.edu
From: brandt@cs.unc.edu (Andrew Brandt)
Subject: Seeking good Alfa Romeo mechanic.
Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
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Keywords: alfa, romeo, spider, mechanic
I am looking for recommendations for a good (great?) Alfa Romeo
mechanic in South Jersey or Philadelphia or nearby.
I have a '78 Alfa Spider that needs some engine, tranny, steering work
done.  The body is in quite good shape.  The car is awful in cold
weather, won't start if below freezing (I know, I know, why drive a
Spider if there's snow on the ground ...).  It has Bosch *mechanical*
fuel injection that I am sure needs adjustment.
Any opinions are welcome on what to look for or who to call.
Email or post (to rec.autos), I will summarize if people want.
Thx, Andy (brandt@cs.unc.edu)
From: andyh@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Andrew J. Huang)
Subject: Re: Changing oil by self.
Organization: Brandeis University
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In article <1993Apr15.020356.28944@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> sorlin@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven J Orlin) writes:
>I take the electrodes of the Amp/Ohm/Volt meter whatever and connect one
>to each earlobe.  Then, symmetrically insert my fingers in each of the
>spark plug boots. No cheating guys!  both hands must be used!
I have just a couple of questions about this technique.
First, what firing order should I use?  Do I start with my pointer
finger or my pinky?  Left hand or right?
And secondly, I have a 12cyl and there are two cylinders unaccounted
for.  Any suggestions?
/andy
From: dje@bmw535.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Don Eilenberger)
Subject: Re: Do trains have radar?
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Lines: 30
In article <1993Apr13.111652@usho72.hou281.chevron.com>, hhtra@usho72.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock) writes:
|>
|>  While taking an extended Easter vacation, I was going north on I-45
|>  somewhere between Centerville, TX and Dallas, TX and I came upon a
|>  train parked on a trestle with its locomotive sitting directly over
|>  the northbound lanes.  There appeared to be movement within the cab
|>  and out of curiosity I slowed to 85 to get a better look.  Just as I
|>  passed from underneath the trestle, my radar detector went into full
|>  alert - all lights lit and all chirps, beeps, and buzzes going strong.
|>  I thought I had been nailed good but no police materialized.
|>
|>  Could this have been caused by the train's radio or what?
|>
|>
|>  TRAVIS
Boy, Travis..
Were you LUCKY!!.. you went under the new Texas Rangers
Stealth Patrol Car! Good thing you slowed down!
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Organization:
Subject: Re: Do trains have radar?
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From: ciarlett@mizar.usc.edu (Joni Ciarletta)
Subject: Honda Accord Brake Problem
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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My Honda Accord just hit the magic 100,000 mile mark and now
all sorts of things are beginning to go bad. The latest problem
I am experiencing is with my brakes.  They still stop the
car fine, but once I am stopped completely, my brake pedal
will sink another 2 or 3 inches all by itself.  If feels really
strange, and I am worried my brakes will quit working one of
these days.
I checked my brake fluid, and the reservoir was full, but the
fluid itself looked really dirty (like dirty oil).  I called
my mechanic and he told me I need a new brake master cylinder,
which will cost me a whopping $250-300.
I was just wondering if anyone out there has experienced this
sort of thing.  If so, is my mechanic being honest? Or do I
simply need to have my brakes bled and new fluid put in?
Any help you could provide would be appreciated.  Please send
replies directly to me, as I rarely have a chance to read this
list.  I will post the responses if there is any interest.
Thanks,
Joni
ciarlett@mizar.usc.edu
From: sprec-j@acsu.buffalo.edu (Joel Sprechman )
Subject: Cleaning EuroWiper Boots?
Organization: UB
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Nntp-Posting-Host: autarch.acsu.buffalo.edu
I have the EuroWiper boots in White and had to throw away the first pair
since I found no way of cleaning them after they looked almost black. Now
I have my second pair of white ones and once again they are dirty. I need
a way to clean them w/o removing them since I had to cut them to remove
them, is there a way? Or should I just buy black ones?
thanks
-Joel
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Joel Sprechman                             sprec-j@acsu.buffalo.edu
University at Buffalo                      v069pff7@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu
"It's not a black/white thing, it's a homosapian thing"
"It takes a big man to cry, and an even bigger man to laugh at that man"
-Jack Handy
From: jchen@wind.bellcore.com (Jason Chen)
Subject: Re: Open letter to NISSAN (Really Station Wagon)
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With the popularity of minivans, the market room for station wagons is
squeezed out. They are not as comfortable as sedan, and don't carry as
much as the minivans.
This is not to say nobody wants the wagon anymore. But the demand is certainly
hampered by the minivan, and may not be economical to build a product for.
Jason Chen
A station wagon owner
From: bowmanj@csn.org (Jerry Bowman)
Subject: Re: Old Corvettes / Low insurance?
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In article <C5J5MI.FMI@news.rich.bnr.ca> Peon w/o Email (Eric Youngblood) writes:
>In article <1993Apr15.011805.28485@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, swr2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (SCOTT WARREN ROSANDER) writes:
>|> In article <C5Csux.Fn1@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, gdhg8823@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (George Hei
>|> nz) writes:
>|> >After too many years of school I'm finally graduating and getting a real
>|> >job.  Of course I am trying to make plans of how to spend all this extra
>|> >money.  Right now I have an 89 accord, a good car, but not real sporty &
>|> >I was thinking of selling it in about two years and dropping around
>|> >$20k on a sports car of some kind.  After thinking about it, I may have a
>|> >better idea -- I'll keep the Accord until it drops and buy the car I've
>|> >always wanted -- a Corvette Stingray. My reasoning is that $8000 (accord)+
>|> >$8000 (corvette) =$16000 is less than what I would spend anyway.
>|> >
>|> >Basically, I'm thinking of a late 70's, early 80's for around $7-$10k.
>|> >My question is, what are good years to consider (for reliability, looks,
>|> >horsepower -- in that order, believe it or not, horsepower is not a main
>|> >concern, if I want to go fast, I get on my motorcycle) and what are
>|> >good prices?
>|> >
>|> >Also, what would insurance look like?  I'm male, single, 23 (I might
>|> >wait until I'm 25 to get the car = lower insurance). Would the fact that
>|> >I mainly drive the other car lower it?  Is there some type of "classic
>|> >car" or "rarely driven" insurance class for driving it under 10k miles
>|> >per year?
>|> >
>|>     My dad has a 66 vette and its on what you say 'classic insurance'.
>|>     Basically what that means is that it has restricted amount of driving
>|>     time, which basically means it cant be used as an every day car and would
>|>     probably suit your needs for limited mileage.
>|> --
>
In my area, Denver, if you look around alittle you can get an
1984 for 10,000 or less, not much less. You said your not looking
to go fast, they are a really nice car just not real powerful.>
>In addition to restricted mileage, many classic insurance carriers also require
>that the vehicle be garaged when not in use.
>
>$0.02
>
>Ericy
>
>
>      *---------------------------------+---------------------------*
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From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Subject: Re: SHO clutch question (grinding noise?)
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA
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In article <C5H6F8.LDu@news.rich.bnr.ca> jcyuhn@crchh574.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (James Yuhn) writes:
>   That's not the clutch you're hearing, its the gearbox. Early SHOs have
>   a lot of what is referred to as 'gear rollover' noise. You can generally
I have one of the first SHOs built, and _mine_ doesn't make
this noise.
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Subject: Re: Too fast
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA
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In article <1qh61m$b6l@armory.centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes:
>It's a bit hard to "prove" a point like this, but I can compare the
I was hoping for something like "The chassis exhibits X
degrees of flex when subjected to forces of more than Y units.
Forces of more than Y units begin to manifest at Z miles per hour."
Not "Well, gee, it wasn't designed to go fast because, uhh,
well, gee, it wasn't designed to go fast.  It's not a Porsche, you
know".
>come with better seatbelts, more supportive seats, a stronger
>passenger compartment cage, better brakes, a stiffer suspension,
>different tires, and a body design that takes advantage of aero
>effects to keep the car on the ground. What *do* they come with?
Well, as compared to the normal Taurus, the SHO comes
with more supportive seats,better brakes,a stiffer suspension,
different tires, and a body design that takes advantage of aero
effects to keep the car on the ground (or at least I think that's
what all that boy-racer plastic is for).  You're kidding yourself if
you think any car on the road has a passenger compartment made to
withstand 130 MPH impacts.
>Compare either to the Porsche 911 and you tell me which was designed
Oh, right.  Only 120,000 dollar cars should be driven fast.
They drive goddamn Rabbits at 120 MPH in Europe, pal, and I reckon
a Taurus is at least as capable as a Rabbit.
>certainly haven't convinced me.
Of course not.  "Speeding-is-bad.  Speeding-is-illegal.
I-will-not-speed.  I-love-Big-Brother."  You had your mind made up
already.
It's interesting that lots of the roads out west had *NO*
speed limits until 1975.
wr
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Subject: Re: Too fast
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA
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In article <1993Apr14.152328.15997@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen) writes:
>There may be a case where a speed limit sign is not necessary. But take
>them away entirely?
Yeah, you're right.  Doing away with speed limits would just
mean huge tax increases as municipalities tried to make up for the
revenue they used to gouge from passing motorists.
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Subject: Re: Too fast
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA
Lines: 7
In article <3090@shaman.wv.tek.com> andrew@frip.wv.tek.com writes:
>So is cocaine.  What's your point?
That neither is harmful when used carefully?
From: jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost)
Subject: Re: Too fast
Article-I.D.: armory.1qkon8$3re
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wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:
>>Compare either to the Porsche 911 and you tell me which was designed
>	Oh, right.  Only 120,000 dollar cars should be driven fast.
>They drive goddamn Rabbits at 120 MPH in Europe, pal, and I reckon
>a Taurus is at least as capable as a Rabbit.
My whole point was not to say that the cars *couldn't* go that fast,
but that they *shouldn't* go that fast.  A family sedan designed to be
operable at 85mph doesn't suddenly become operable at 130mph because
you added some plastic aero effects, slightly wider tires, and a much
larger engine.  That's what the SHO is -- a slightly modified family
sedan with a powerful engine.  They didn't even bother improving the
*brakes.*
The Mustang is essentially the same deal as the SHO -- a big power
plant stuck in a mid-size sedan, with almost no other modifications.
I have real-life experience with the Mustang -- it handles like a
brick (except when you're invoking oversteer, of course, something I
personally avoid doing on the highway) and stopping power is
inadequate even from 80mph.  Lots of accelleration -- but the rest of
the car is not up to par.
I picked the Porsche example because they are designed with speed in
mind.  It didn't have to be the 911 -- it could have been the much
cheaper 944 or one of several Mercedes or Audi models.  All of these
cars are fairly expensive -- but so are the parts that make them
drivable at high speed.  This should be elementary.
There are a few things to keep in mind about Europe, since you brought
it up.  My Autobahn knowledge is admittedly second-hand, but I believe
the following to be true:
1. Drivers are much better disciplined in Europe than they are here.
2. The roads comprising the Autobahn are much better designed than
they are here, and usually include animal fences.  This makes them
far more predictable than most US highways.
3. Not all of Europe is the Autobahn.  Most places in Europe have
speed limits that aren't out-of-line with what we used to have in
the US -- if my friends weren't lying to me they're typically not
much higher than 120km/h.
I strongly suspect you won't find a lot of Rabbit owners doing 120mph
(nearly 200km/h) on the Autobahn, but I could be wrong.  Some people
have no respect for their own lives.
>>You certainly haven't convinced me.
>	Of course not.  "Speeding-is-bad.  Speeding-is-illegal.
>I-will-not-speed.  I-love-Big-Brother."  You had your mind made up
>already.
If you think so you sure don't pay attention to my postings.
jim frost
jimf@centerline.com
From: dchamber@b15news.b15.ingr.com (Doug Chamberlain)
Subject: Re: Cherokee v. Explorer
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL
Lines: 42
jcksnste@ACF1.NYU.EDU writes:
>Hi All,
>  Brand new to the group, so please, no flames!
>Honest opinions on Jeep Cherokee Country (not Sport) v. Ford Explorer.
>My stepfather, who ponders every major decision up to four months AFTER
>making it, is looking at one of the two.  Also, please comment on the
>importance, if any, between 4WD and 2WD.  We live in Princeton, NJ and
>will barely ever take it off road.  We learned with this last winter that
>we could really use something with a little more confidence in 20 inches of
>snow than an Olds Cutlass Eighty-Eight!!
>All replies appreciated.. he'll be pondering this for a while.  He's already
>decided on 6 cyl. over 4, so don't worry about that one..
>Thanks!
>-->Steve
I own a new ford Explorer, I really love it!
I drove the Jeep and besides the power I just didn't see
spending the money for it! The Jeep was great but I just
love the Explorer! I have a 2WD and I got through the blizzard
of 93 just fine! I drove about 400 miles in the worst part of
storm and it never faulterd!     My own Opinion
Doug                  i
>(jcksnste@acf1.nyu.edu)
From: n8643084@henson.cc.wwu.edu (owings matthew)
Subject: Re: Ranger vs. S-10 opinions
Article-I.D.: henson.1993Apr15.203313.24290
Organization: Western Washington University
Lines: 16
If your buying a compact pickup do yourself a favor and wait a few months
for the 1994 GMC sonoma.  Magazines are saying it is day and night over the
current truck.  It's georgeous, solid, and fast (200hp Vortec 4.3 V-6).
Should whip the Ranger in every area too (accept maybe payload).  And always
pick a GMC over a Chevy.  GMC's are always so much better looking.  Man, I
miss the Comanche.
Marty and Matt Owings
'87 250 ninja type rider dudes
"It's a feeling that we all wanna know
and it's an obsession to some
to keep the world in you rearview mirror
while you try to run down the sun"
"Wheels" by Rhestless Heart.
From: jchen@wind.bellcore.com (Jason Chen)
Subject: LH Workmanship
Nntp-Posting-Host: wind.bellcore.com
Reply-To: jchen@ctt.bellcore.com
Organization: Bell Communications Research
Lines: 19
I just visited the NY Auto Show, and saw two LH cars on the floor: Eagle
Vision and Dodge Intrepid.
Really nice I must say. Very attractive styling, lots of features and room,
at a competitive price.
Unfortunately, the workmanship is quite disappointing. On BOTH cars,
the rubber seals around the window and door fell off. It turns out
the seals are just big grooved rubber band. It goes on just by pressing
the groove against the tongue on the door frame. Surely it would come
off easily.
I am not sure how many of this kind of pooring engineering/assembly
problems that will show up later.
I may still consider buying it, but only when it establishes a good
track record.
Jason Chen
From: ssave@ole.cdac.com (The Devil Reincarnate)
Subject: Re: Changing oil by self.
Organization: CDAC, WA
Lines: 27
In article <1993Apr14.130427.21349@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> dje@bmw535.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Don Eilenberger) writes:
>
>In article <1qgi8eINNhs5@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca>, yiklam@unixg.ubc.ca (Yik Chong Lam) writes:
>|> Hello,
>|>
>|> 	Does anyone know how to take out the bolt under the engine
>|> compartment?  Should I turn clockwise or counter?  I tried any kind
>|> of lubricants, WD-40,etc, but I still failed!
>|> 	Do you think I can use a electric drill( change to a suitable
>|> bit ) to turn it out?  If I can succeed, can I re-tighten it not too
>|> tight, is it safe without oil leak?
>|> Thank you very much in advance------  Winson
I would suggest you take the car to the nearest Chevron dealer, with
your own oil and filter.  Ask for an oil change.  It will cost less
than $10.  Watch him/her do it.  Just from watching someone do a job,
you will be able to learn and remember the sequence, and do it right
when you do it yourself the next time.  Besides, when he/she loosens
the drain nut, the next time around it will be easier for you.
If it is stuck, use an impact wrench.  Not too much force though.
Use a new washer each time you put the nut back.....
-S
ssave@ole.cdac.com
From: maloney@badlands.NoDak.edu (Pat T Maloney)
Subject: Pontiac e-mail Car clubs
Nntp-Posting-Host: badlands.nodak.edu
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
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I am interested to know if there is any Pontiac e-mail car clubs out
there?  Has anyone started one, or is anybody thinking about starting one.
Thanks for any info you can give me
maloney@badlands.NoDak.edu
From: sylveste@ecs.umass.edu
Subject: Re: Ultimate AWD vehicles
Lines: 24
In article <Apr09.084236.19413@engr.washington.edu>, eliot@lanmola.engr.washington.edu (eliot) writes:
> In article <1q34huINNjrv@uwm.edu> qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu writes:
>>  Subarus don't sell that well, although the percentage of Subes purchased
>>  with AWD is probably relatively high.
>
> 56% of all subarus sold are 4wd/awd.
>
>> Audi is backing down on the number
>>  of models it offers with AWD.  Before, one could purchase an 80 or 90 with
>>  AWD, but now it is reserved strictly for the top line model; the same goes
>>  for the 100/200.
>
> the 80/80Q has been eliminated from the US lineup, but the 90 is still
> available in quattro version, though it is hardly cheap.  they are
> still true to their pledge of making 4wd an option on their entire
> line of cars.  now, if only they will bring in the s4 wagon..
>
> eliot
Before the S4 became the S4 it was called the 200 turbo quattro 20v.
This model did come in a wagon, a very quick wagon.  Very rare also.
Mike Sylvester  Umass
From: neilson@seoul.mpr.ca (Robert Neilson)
Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...
In-Reply-To: madman@austin.ibm.com's message of Thu, 15 Apr 1993 17:31:58 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host: seoul
Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd., Burnaby, B.C., Canada
<1993Apr15.024246.8076@Virginia.EDU> <C5JCpA.1ptt@austin.ibm.com>
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[sorry for the 0 auto content, but ... ]
> That is why low-abiding citizens should have the power to protect themselves
> and their property using deadly force if necessary anywhere a threat is
> imminent.
>
> Steve Heracleous
You do have the power Steve. You *can* do it. Why don't you? Why don't you
go shoot some kids who are tossing rocks onto cars? Make sure you do a good
job though - don't miss - 'cause like they have big rocks - and take it from
me - those kids are mean.
From: hanguyen@megatest.com (Ha Nguyen)
Subject: Re: Changing oil by self.
Organization: Megatest Corporation
Lines: 22
In article <1993Apr14.203800.12566@progress.com> damelio@progress.COM (Stephen D'Amelio) writes:
>bmoss@grinch.sim.es.com (Brent "Woody" Moss) writes:
>
>>You could take a screw driver and hammer and start punching holes in
>>various locations and when some black slippery stuff starts pouring
>>out then you would know that the oil drain plug is nearby (within a foot
>>or two anyway). Close the holes with toilet paper before refileing with oil
>>though.
>
>You have to *refill* the engine with oil! Wow, no wonder I can't get
>an engine to last more than my first oil change. Don't forget to
>punch holes in the radiator too, it will spray nice refreshing water
^^^^^^^^
>on the engine and keep it nice & cool. ;-)
>
>-Steve
Gee, you really make me confused.  What is radiator?  Where is it located?
What does it look like?  Will it release any radiation (since it sounds
like radia-tion genera-tor) when you punch holes?
hanguyen
From: ae015@Freenet.carleton.ca (Steve Hui)
Subject: Re: Instead of a Saturn SC2, What???
Organization: National Capital Freenet, Ottawa, Canada
Lines: 19
One thing that everyone is forgetting in this argument
over the pricing of the SC1 vs. the Japanese cars is
the Saturns "no-dicker sticker".  This makes the Saturn's
price low in comparison to the inflated base prices of
the Japanese competition on paper, but in reality, one
could dicker several hundred dollars off the price of
the Japanese cars.
Admittedly, though, here in Canada, at least, the SC2
is in the same price class as the Civic Si, not the
SC1.
Steve Hui
From: theckel@col.hp.com (Tim Heckel)
Subject: Re: Instead of a Saturn SC2, What???
Organization: Colorado Springs IT Center
Lines: 7
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: pizza8.cs.itc.hp.com
For those that are interested I got my fully optioned (Air, ABS,
sunroof) '92 SE-R in September 1991 for $13,555 in Sacramento, CA. It
was one of the 1st '92s sold, few of the dealers had any, no local
dealer had an ABS equipped SE-R.  I went straight to the fleet manager
at the dealership I liked, told him what I wanted, made him aware that I
knew what his price should be.  He called me back with exactly what I
wanted from a dealer 125mi away, I took delivery the next day.
From: boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle)
Subject: Re: LH Workmanship
Article-I.D.: cactus.1993Apr15.221421.21839
Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx
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In article <1993Apr15.203750.25764@walter.bellcore.com> jchen@ctt.bellcore.com writes:
>I just visited the NY Auto Show, and saw two LH cars on the floor: Eagle
>Vision and Dodge Intrepid.
>
>Really nice I must say. Very attractive styling, lots of features and room,
>at a competitive price.
>
>Unfortunately, the workmanship is quite disappointing. On BOTH cars,
>the rubber seals around the window and door fell off. It turns out
>the seals are just big grooved rubber band. It goes on just by pressing
>the groove against the tongue on the door frame. Surely it would come
>off easily.
Lack of build quality was the thing  I notced on the first 2 LH's I
saw months back. The panel gaps were large and non-uniform between
the 2 cars I saw - the kind of thing you expect and accept on a
Mustang - but not from Chrysler's savior.  I drove one of the low
end cars, and thought it was more than adequate. I'd prefer
an LH to a Taurus from my brief experience.
Craig
>
>I am not sure how many of this kind of pooring engineering/assembly
>problems that will show up later.
>
>I may still consider buying it, but only when it establishes a good
>track record.
>
>Jason Chen
From: boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle)
Subject: Re: Too fast
Article-I.D.: cactus.1993Apr15.222638.22817
Distribution: world
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In article <bob1.734909414@cos> bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw) writes:
>In <1993Apr14.045526.21945@cactus.org> boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) writes:
>
>>In article <1qg19v$5ju@umcc.umcc.umich.edu> mhartman@umcc.umcc.umich.edu (Mark Hartman) writes:
>>Driving 130 in a straight line is fine, you very soon become aclimated
>>to it. It's only a rush when there are corners that you don't
>>think you can make.
>
>>On a clear autobahn, 130 is nothing. In the U.S. 99% of people and
>>all judges would label you insane and it is difficult to persuade
>>people otherwise.
>
>Sure, but the surface condition of most good autobahns is far better
The quality of autobahns is something of a myth. The road surface
isn't much different to a typical TX freeway. They are better
in terms of lighting, safety, signs, roadmarkings etc. I'd have
no problem driving 130 on most US freeways, as it is, I save it
for the backroads, which really are more likely to be dangerous.
>than most of the roads here. A dip in the asphalt that you test your
>shocks on at 60 will kill you at 130. Don't get me wrong, I love to
It would have to be quite severe. I don't recall any US freeway,
without road damage warnings, that i would regard as unsafe
at 130 in any decent, well damped car. Note that my definition
of decent, well damped, would exclude most typical American sedans.
>drive quickly and they say my Probe will do 130, but that's 30 more
>than I've ever tried in it cause there isn't a decent enough piece
>of road hereabouts.
I don't know where you live, but I would be much more worried
about cops, other traffic etc. than the road surface at 130.
It just isn't that fast or that dangerous. If you have a Probe
GT, no problem. The 4cyl models I have driven would be
likely to be unpredictable at higher speeds.
Craig
>
>>Craig
>>>
>>>--
>>>   Mark Hartman         mhartman@umcc.umcc.umich.edu
>>>   Kalamazoo, MI        bk405@cleveland.freenet.edu
>>>    "I'm naked in the school!" - Sleepyhead -
>>>
>
>Bob
>
>
From: boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle)
Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time
Article-I.D.: cactus.1993Apr15.223029.23340
Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx
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In article <C5JnK3.JKt@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) writes:
>	Wasn't the original intent of the reverse lights for the driver, so he
>could see where he was backing up???  Although reverse lights on the sides
No. reverse lights are to warn others that you are backing up. They
aren't bright enough to (typically) see by without the brake and tail
lights.
>are useful for telling whether cars are backing up out perpendicular to the
>path of the car, I don't think warnings were their original intents, since they
>are colored white.
Well, red and orange were already taken. Maybe white defines the direction
that the car is moving in.
If you really want to be able to see behind you, get some fog lamps for
the back of the car. These work very well - and are a good way to get
rid of tailgaters if you get that rush of testosterone.
Craig
>
>
>
>--
>Chintan Amin <The University of Illinois UrbanaChampaign> mail: llama@uiuc.edu
>******************************Neil Peart, (c)1981*****************************
>*"Quick to judge, Quick to Anger, Slow to understand, Ignorance and Prejudice*
>*And********Fear********Walk********************Hand*********in*********Hand"*
From: jek@icf.hrb.com (Joe Karolchik)
Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...
Organization: HRB Systems, Inc.
Lines: 31
(I deleted your name because I don't want to sound accusative in my remark)
>
> This is a two-sided problem. Unfortunately our culture has been deteriorating over time.
> The "breeding" of these low-life's is getting worse; our justice system is at best
> extremely weak to handle these problems. That is why low-abiding citizens should have
> the power to protect themselves and their property using deadly force if necessary
> anywhere a threat is imminent.
>
> My Camaro (my pride and joy) got stolen right out of my driveway a few years back.
> The persons that did that were eventually caught (lucky for me!) but not before
> having trashed the car.
>
> On another occasion, on my way from Texas to Florida, I had stopped in a small motel
> for the night in a small town somewhere in Florida. About 5 youths were disturbing my
> car, setting off the alarm and challenging me to come out. When I and another tenant
> walked out with a 357 Magnum and a 45 automatic respectively, they vanished.
> Needless to say, I immediately packed-up and left.
>
> Watch out for car-jacking and staged accidents. They can be deadly!
>
I'm not going to argue the issue of carrying weapons, but I would ask you if
you would have thought seriously about shooting a kid for setting off your
alarm?  I can think of worse things in the world.  Glad you got out of there
before they did anything to give you a reason to fire your gun.
We can all ask "what's happening to society these days", but don't forget to
ask another important question too: What effort am I expending to make it any
different than it is?
Just my thoughts,
Joe Karolchik
From: bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw)
Subject: Re: BRAINDEAD Drivers Who Don't Look Ahead--
Keywords: bad drivers
Organization: Corporation for Open Systems
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In <1993Apr14.230524.9578@ctp.com> bpita@ctp.com (Bob Pitas) writes:
>In article <zdem0a.734707529@hgo7> zdem0a@hgo7.hou.amoco.com (Donna Martz) writes:
>[Stuff Deleted]
>>
>>Excuse me, but I understood what Mr. Smith meant.  AND, I have often observed
>>when traffic is "blocked solid", that if a few people yeild to the "moron"
>>who is impatiently riding bumpers, the slug at the front of the pack will
>>miraculously wake up, change lanes, and viola! no more jam.  Granted the
>>situation here does not apply to rush hour in a crowded city.  But I have
>>observed this situation regularly on your average interstate, six or
>>eight sets of cars, side by side, bunched up in a "pack" with open
>>freeway fore and aft as far as you can see.  The people who refuse to
>>yeild as a "point of honor" are just as annoying as the slug in the front.
>I agree that if traffic is all blocked up and you want to pass, you might
>not feel like moving over for someone behind you because you don't want to
>give them that one car-length, when they should just wait like you are.
>BUT, if you're one of those people that just sit's behind the person, and
>doesn't flash them with the high beams, or pull left and flash them, or
>ride their bumper, or otherwise tell them that you *do* in fact want to
>go by, and you're not just drafting them, then get the hell out of the
>way of someone who will!  I especially hate it when you flash someone at
>the back of a line and they don't 'pass it on'.
So after I've flashed my lights at the chap in front and he doesn't
'pass it on' (and few if any do), what next? On major highways, 3 or more
lanes in each direction, keeping to the extreme right blocks folks who
are entering. Also, as someone posted in this thread, here in the D.C.
area we have a few left lane exits (sounds like 66). If you wait until
the last minute to get in the left lane you won't, cause these yoyos
won't make room.
We have a particularly bad strech here in Merryland just over the Cabin
John bridge. There are two very long entry ramps which all the hurry-up
yahoos dive into cause they want to get ahead. When we get to the point
where these ramps merge, all hell breaks lose. The result is that traffic
which was moving at 55 on the VA side of the bridge, stalls on t'other
side. If these dingbats had stayed in lane, allowed the folks coming up
the two ramps to merge, we would still be doing 55. Instead we do start-
stop for 4 miles. Dave Barry's idea of a laser equipped car would be
real useful here.
Bob
PS: If you drive the beltway and want to merge, look for a brown Probe
with a silver haired driver, then use your signals - I don't read minds,
but I do try to be courteous. They told me courtesy was contagious, but
I guess the folks around here have had their shots :-/
From: smith@ctron.com (Lawrence C Smith)
Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...
Organization: Cabletron Systems, Inc.
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In article <C5JGC4.AJJ@dove.nist.gov>, keys@starchild.ncsl.nist.gov (Lawrence B. Keys) writes:
>I know that this isn't the group for it, but since you brought it up,
>does anyone have any idea why they haven't "bombed" the Waco cult?
Perhaps it is because witnesses who have left the compound have all
testified that the BATF shot first, they they did not identify themselves
before tossing in concussion grenades (not that anyone inside could have
_heard_ such identification after being near a concussion grenade) and
the announcement from the BATF that they have sealed the warrant under
which they were operating - which was a _search_ warrant, by the way,
_not_ an arrest warrant.  In short, perhaps because the BATF is wildly
out of control and perhaps calmer heads have realized that bombing a
compound full of woman and children will not improve their position.
There is a real chance that Koresh will be able to prove self-defense
in court.  That will leave - what? - four officers dead and no one to
blame but the BATF.
Followups directed to alt.activism, where the discussion has raged nearly
as long as the seige, and which shows every sign of not giving up nearly
as soon.
Larry Smith (smith@ctron.com)  No, I don't speak for Cabletron.  Need you ask?
-
Liberty is not the freedom to do whatever we want,
it is the freedom to do whatever we are able.
From: alung@megatest.com (Aaron Lung)
Subject: Re: electronic odometers (was: Used BMW Question ..... ???)
Organization: Megatest Corporation
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In article <9833@dirac.physics.purdue.edu> lovall@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Daniel L. Lovall) writes:
>
>It shouldn't be THAT hard if you know much about digital electronics.  If the
>counter is made with standard TTL chips, all you should need to do is find
>the chip(s) used for counting, figure out what mileage you want to put in,
>and preset it but wiring the preset pins directly to low/high (you'd also have
>to know what the conventions are for low and high).  It might be a little more
>involved than this, but it shouldn't be beyond someone with a BSEE or BS EET.
>All the display does is convert what the counter chips say into digits using
>a "translation table" stored in ROM.
>
Nobody is using discrete IC's to do these functions anymore if at
all.  I doubt any of the Motor electronics had any to start with.
...Much less TTL.
I can almost guarantee that it'll a fruitless attempt to figure out
how BMW does it without breaking anything and invalidating any
warranty  on the car.  If you're lucky, you'd still be able to
start the car.
From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc)
Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
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tobias@convex.com (Allen Tobias) writes:
>In article <1993Apr15.024246.8076@Virginia.EDU> ejv2j@Virginia.EDU ("Erik Velapoldi") writes:
>>This happened about a year ago on the Washington DC Beltway.
>>Snot nosed drunken kids decided it would be really cool to
>>throw huge rocks down on cars from an overpass.  Four or five
>>cars were hit.  There were several serious injuries, and sadly
>>a small girl sitting in the front seat of one of them was struck
>>in the head by one of the larger rocks.  I don't recall if she
>>made it, but I think she was comatose for a month or so and
>>doctors weren't holding out hope that she'd live.
The girl's OK, actually, and she recovered well enough to go home.  I
don't know if she has any permanent damage, though.  Just in case anybody was
concerned...
>>
>>What the hell is happening to this great country of ours?  I
>>can see boyhood pranks of peeing off of bridges and such, but
>>20 pound rocks??!  Has our society really stooped this low??
>>
>>Erik velapold
If people start forcing others to take responsibility for their actions
things like this wouldn't happen.  Untill we stop blaming outside causes, and
start blaming the criminals, we will continue to let things like this happen.
--
Chintan Amin <The University of Illinois UrbanaChampaign> mail: llama@uiuc.edu
******************************Neil Peart, (c)1981*****************************
*"Quick to judge, Quick to Anger, Slow to understand, Ignorance and Prejudice*
*And********Fear********Walk********************Hand*********in*********Hand"*
From: rmt6r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Roy Matthew Thigpen)
Subject: VIPER
Organization: University of Virginia
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Last night I had a dream that my dad bought a Viper.
I took it out for a test drive, without his knowledge,
and had to push it all the way home just to avoid a ticket.
Wierd dream, I wonder what it means....
Roy.
From: syck5280@miller.cs.uwm.edu (Steven B Syck)
Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...
Article-I.D.: uwm.1qkqdqINNjfk
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Milwaukee
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NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.9.13
In article <NEILSON.93Apr15135919@seoul.mpr.ca> neilson@seoul.mpr.ca (Robert Neilson) writes:
>[sorry for the 0 auto content, but ... ]
>
>> That is why low-abiding citizens should have the power to protect themselves
>> and their property using deadly force if necessary anywhere a threat is
>> imminent.
>>
>> Steve Heracleous
>
>You do have the power Steve. You *can* do it. Why don't you? Why don't you
>go shoot some kids who are tossing rocks onto cars? Make sure you do a good
>job though - don't miss - 'cause like they have big rocks - and take it from
>me - those kids are mean.
As a stong self-defense advocate, you're 'statement', does littel
but irk me.  Of course shooting someone because they throw a rock at your
car is out of the question, but what if they disabled your car with their
rock and then wanted to come kill/rape/rob/beat/ or otherwise harm you,
your wife, kids?
I think you would like the power to defend yourself in this situation,
wouldn't you?  Or is it that you value the lives of such rock throwers
more than your own or those of your family?
Don't think it couldn't happen to you.  From the sounds of it here
it has happened to a few people.
Please do not misunderstand.  The only justification for using
deadly force on someone, is that if you don't, it will mean your own
death or grave bodily harm.  I am far far away from supporting
vilante justice or anything like that..
Oh, and if you mean to be funny, please add the appropriate :-)
Followups to talk.politics.guns please...  we're getting a bit off track
here....
-------   Steve Syck        syck5280@miller.cs.uwm.edu        --------
From: barnesm@sun.com (Mark Barnes - SunSoft)
Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
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NNTP-Posting-Host: vavau.corp.sun.com
...and in San Francisco recently, some of our finest examples of humanity
poured oil over a road so that vehicles going uphill would suddnely become
immobile, and then they would walk right up to the vehicles and make their
demands known.
--------------------------------+---------------------------------------
Mark Barnes, System Engineer    |  <insert standard disclaimers here>
SunSoft                         |
Corporate Technical Escalations |  I speak for myself, an individual,
Menlo Park, CA, USA             |  not for the company for which I work.
barnesm@vavau.Corp.Sun.COM      |
--------------------------------+---------------------------------------
From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: Auto air conditioning without Freon
Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc.
Lines: 33
In article <1993Apr14.155159.32619@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> amh2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ALOIS M. HIMSL) writes:
>Yes, I have the same questions. What makes me upset is that R12 costs are
>skyrocketing and in fact can't be bought anymore in my area.  Also this is yet
>another way mechanics and dealers can RIP-OFF customers. Also I was reading
>that the new refrigerant is not compatible with the r12 system and that it
>would cost $ 300 upto a $ 1000 to retrofit a car with the old R12 system.
>ALthough it is important to consider the environment I think the sudden ban is
>a slap in the face for the consumer. Why is it that the consumer should have
>to pay for the retrofit? The auto companies should have seen this coming? Also
>why is it that the governments of the world were so quick in banning freon use
>and yet so slow in banning gasoline. In my opinion gasoline is just as
>hazardous as anything else.  Why can't they start proposing bans on this and
>switch to natural gas or electric? The technology is there. Hopefully some
>chemist will come up with another alternative coolant that will be compatible
>with the old system.
>Al H.
Several chemists already have come up with several substitutes for
R12.  You don't hear about them because the Mobile Air Conditioning Society
(MACS), that is, the people who stand to rake in that $300 to $1000 per
retrofit per automobile, have mounted an organized campaign to squash those
R12 substitutes out of existence if not ban them altogether (on very shaky
technical grounds, at best, on outright lies at worst).
Does this piss you off?  Yes?  Write a letter to your congressman, to
your senator, to the president, to the EPA, and to the DOT and complain.
Later,
--
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC	  1991 ZX-11 - needs a name
agree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.
From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: Carb Cleaners - Do they work???  (Performance?) Carb rebuild?
Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc.
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In article <1993Apr15.062557.1224@slcs.slb.com> dcd@se.houston.geoquest.slb.com (Dan Day) writes:
>In article <C5Fyt4.JBy@cpsc.ucalgary.ca> schaffer@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Doug Schaffer) writes:
>>
>>How hard is a carb rebuild for moderately experienced backyard mechanic?
>>I've done my clutch and miscellaneous little engine fixes.
>
>The hardest part is usually getting the darned thing off the intake
>manifold.  Rebuilding a carb is fun, if you're into things with
>lots of little parts.  I used to rebuild them for all my friends'
>cars in high school, so it doesn't take a PhD.  Buy a carb rebuilding
>kit from an auto supply store.  Buy a gallon of the best carb cleaning
>solvent you can find (do they still make Tyme?) -- as a rule of thumb,
>buy the one with the scariest warning labels.  Put it into a metal(!)
>bucket.  Make yourself a dipping can by punching holes in the bottom of
>a coffee can and attaching a wire handle to it.  If the carb cleaner
>doesn't strip the paint right off the coffee can, you're not
>using the right stuff.  Use the can to soak the little stuff, and
>just hang the big parts from a coat hanger.  Wash them off with a
>garden hose, wipe off excess water with paper towels, and air dry.
>Then remember where all the little parts go.  Follow the rebuild
>kit's instructions concerning float height, choke tension, etc.
>Bolt it back on the engine and admire the super-clean carb on the
>filthy engine.
Heed this man's warnings!  If you get carb cleaner this strong on
your hands, your hands will be eaten away.  Not pretty.  Hence the "dipping
can" method.
Later,
--
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC	  1991 ZX-11 - needs a name
agree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.
From: gwalker@rtfm.mlb.fl.us (Grayson Walker)
Subject: Re: Changing oil by self.
Organization: A.S.I. n
Distribution: usa
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Why crawl under the car at all? I have a machine I got for my boat that
pulls the oil out under suction through the dip stick tube. It does an
excellent job and by moving the suction tube around, you can get more
old oil out than by using the drain plug. I think I paid $25 at E&B Marine.
The oil goes into a steel 3 gal can - wait until it cools and decant into
your favorite device. I use soft drink bottles. Easy to take them down to
the local oil recycle center.
FORZA!
From: garyl@moe.corollary.COM (Gary Lorman)
Subject: Re: electronic odometers (was: Used BMW Question ..... ???)
Organization: Corollary, Inc.
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In article <9833@dirac.physics.purdue.edu> lovall@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Daniel L. Lovall) writes:
>In article <CONRADIE.40.734872761@firga.sun.ac.za> CONRADIE@firga.sun.ac.za (Gerrit Conradie) writes:
>
>.....
>
>>However, if I were to design a BMW's electronics, I will use a counter to
>>count the number of times the car passed 1 million miles (or whatever), and
>>store it in the car computer's memory. This could be read when doing a
>>diagnostics test. Ditto for the date of the odometer. As easy as this is, I
>>don't know why manafucturers don't do it (don't they?) to prevent illegal
>>odometer tampering.
>>
>>But as a previous writer said, it will in any case take aeons to reset an
>>odometer, mechanic or electronic by simulating a driving car. It will be
>>easier to reprogram it. How, I don't know.
>
>It shouldn't be THAT hard if you know much about digital electronics.  If the
>counter is made with standard TTL chips, all you should need to do is find
>the chip(s) used for counting, figure out what mileage you want to put in,
>and preset it but wiring the preset pins directly to low/high (you'd also have
>to know what the conventions are for low and high).  It might be a little more
>involved than this, but it shouldn't be beyond someone with a BSEE or BS EET.
>All the display does is convert what the counter chips say into digits using
>a "translation table" stored in ROM.
>
>selah,
>
>Dan
>
But, those chips are probably inside a custom chip, (to make it smaller and
use less power) and the preset/data pins are not going to be available.
It would probably not be TTL but might be CMOS
(wider operating voltage range), not that the tecnology would make
much difference.
Plus the custom chip would probably be potted (encapsulated with epoxy).
Good luck.
--
--garyl-------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Any shark that gets to be 11 or 12 feet long with
300 big teeth can be considered dangerous" - 'Shark Bowl '92'
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: cracker@tc.fluke.COM (Don Graham)
Subject: Re: JEEP WRANGLER - OPINI
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA
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In article <1qht5eINNjdf@hp-col.col.hp.com>, tvervaek@col.hp.com (Tom Vervaeke) writes:
> I have had two Wranglers, and still have the second right now. It's a
> 1991 Wrangler Base model with the big I-6 4.0L engine, hard top, no
> power steering or air conditioning. Runs like a top. Has about 37k on
> it. Has never been in the shop. I can change my own oil (nice tall
> vehicle). I can lube it myself (11 fittings). I occasionally take it to
> Jiffy Lube to check the differentials and do the oil change there.
>
> My previous Wrangler had nary a problem either. Here in Colorado there'
> more Jeeps than BMW's, Mercedes, Volvos, and the like together! In fact
> Jeep has been called the Colorado Car for a while. They hold their value
> well, and are very easy to resell. Mine cost right around $14.2K new. Of
> course, I didn't blow money on an Islander, Sahara, or Renegade which
^^^^^^^^^^
I have a 92 Wrangler Sahara and paid $14.1 new (including the rebate).
> are just Wranglers with fancy inside stuff.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
After driving a CJ-5 for 6 years, that fancy stuff is pretty nice.
>
> The cars are primitive, ride like a dump truck, etc.. But if you live in
> an area that gets around 140" of snow per winter, you'd have one too.
> They'll go anywhere (with a winch) and are easy to get parts for. The
^^^^^^^^^^^
I like my Wrangler, but when doing some serious off roading, it can't
keep up with a CJ-5 because of ground clearance and limited suspension
travel.  I do have a winch and would like to get an ARB air-locker in the
future.
> 4.0L engine puts out 180-190 HP and gets around 20mpg. Not bad.
I love the 4.0.
>
> Just my experience. I'm sure there are bad ones out there, but that goes
> for any make and model.
>
>
Don Graham
From: boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle)
Subject: Re: Too fast
Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx
Lines: 108
In article <1qkon8$3re@armory.centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes:
[stuff about autobahn and safety of sho at speed deleted]
>The Mustang is essentially the same deal as the SHO -- a big power
The Mustang is a much worse case of design irresponsibility than the
SHO.
>plant stuck in a mid-size sedan, with almost no other modifications.
>I have real-life experience with the Mustang -- it handles like a
>brick (except when you're invoking oversteer, of course, something I
Its hard to predicatbaly drift a stock Mustang because
of the suspension.
>personally avoid doing on the highway) and stopping power is
>inadequate even from 80mph.  Lots of accelleration -- but the rest of
>the car is not up to par.
Yes. When i think Mustang, I think school-bus +  F16 motor. In
my mind the Mustang should be fitted with a speed limiter at 80-90
or so. It just isn't safe, check out your local junkyard, Mustangs
outnumber other cars by a proportion way in excess of sales in
junkyards.
I find it astonishing the CU or somesuchlike has not jumped on the
Mustang for poor brakes in relation to power. Ford should at least
standardize on the SVO rear brakes for all 5.0's.
>
>I picked the Porsche example because they are designed with speed in
>mind.  It didn't have to be the 911 -- it could have been the much
>cheaper 944 or one of several Mercedes or Audi models.  All of these
>cars are fairly expensive -- but so are the parts that make them
>drivable at high speed.  This should be elementary.
>
>There are a few things to keep in mind about Europe, since you brought
>it up.  My Autobahn knowledge is admittedly second-hand, but I believe
>the following to be true:
>
>1. Drivers are much better disciplined in Europe than they are here.
True of Northern Europe, latin countries are something else.
>2. The roads comprising the Autobahn are much better designed than
Kindof true. remember they were build by adolf in the '30's.
>   they are here, and usually include animal fences.  This makes them
>   far more predictable than most US highways.
Yes.
>3. Not all of Europe is the Autobahn.  Most places in Europe have
"Autobahn" is the german word for freeway. Other countries have
different names for loose equivalents; autostrada, autoroute, motorway
etc.
>   speed limits that aren't out-of-line with what we used to have in
>   the US -- if my friends weren't lying to me they're typically not
>   much higher than 120km/h.
Europe did seem on the brink of a 130kmh limit. It hasn't passed as
far as I know. typical speeds in western europe are much higher than
the US. Law enforcement is negligible in my experience (comapred
to the US) as there is no revenue enhancement motivation. The things
you really notice are the higher speed differentials, and the more
professional attitude to driving. You just never see two cars
running parallel at 55.1 mph oblivious to all around them.
>
>I strongly suspect you won't find a lot of Rabbit owners doing 120mph
>(nearly 200km/h) on the Autobahn, but I could be wrong.  Some people
You're wrong. GTI's  go this fast. Just kind of noisy, not the ideal
autobahn car. A lot of times you see cars being driven with the drivers
foot on the floor. How do I know? - when you're not making any ground
on the identical car in front of you!
>have no respect for their own lives.
If something happens at 130-150 you're dead, but the same goes for much
over 35. Driving at high speed forces you to concentrate. I feel much
safer driving 130+ on the autobahn than 60-80 in typical US traffic
because most people seem to be awake. I've never seen any driver reading
a book on an autobahn, I see it all too often in the US.
Craig
It just doesn't *seem* fast after 30 minutes or so of aclimation. everybody
drives that fast, no big deal.
Craig
>
>>>You certainly haven't convinced me.
>
>>	Of course not.  "Speeding-is-bad.  Speeding-is-illegal.
>>I-will-not-speed.  I-love-Big-Brother."  You had your mind made up
>>already.
>
>If you think so you sure don't pay attention to my postings.
>
>jim frost
>jimf@centerline.com
From: srihari@cirrus.com (Srihari Shoroff)
Subject: Re: Instead of a Saturn SC2, What???
Organization: Cirrus Logic Inc.
Distribution: na
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In <Ifn=sPO00iV18_A8NZ@andrew.cmu.edu> jr4q+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jason M. Roth) writes:
>>R&T had an article on cars of the SC1 ilk and they liked the Civic Ex,
>>the Escort GT and the MX-3 best of all, and the SC1 was way down the
>>list except for braking.
>I just looked at that article; first of all, this summary is inaccurate;
>of 10 cars, the SC1 was 5th, right behind these mentioned and the Suzuki
>Swift (!). As has been pointed out, it was a semi-silly comparison; the
>Saturn was at least $500 cheaper than the MX-3 and Escort (admittedly
>negligible, but an issue), and $1500 (!)less than the Honda. The stated
>goal was a base under $12k; the Honda was $500 over, while the SC2 at
>the same price was excluded. In other words, they let the best Honda
>play, but not the best Saturn.  Note that the Saturn did beat the $13k
I dont know about the car comparison but as far as the price goes rest
assured that the street prices for the MX-3 and Escort and (maybe) even
the Honda will be lesser than that of the Saturn you're talking about.
All price comparisons I've seen are based on MSRP and of course the
saturn dealer will sell the car for sticker price whereas the others
will do it way below sticker.
Srihari
From: neil@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Neil Williams)
Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...
Keywords: BRICK, TRUCK, DANGER
Organization: Boeing Computer Services
Lines: 51
larose@austin.cs.utk.edu (Brian LaRose) writes:
>This just a warning to EVERYBODY on the net.  Watch out for
>folks standing NEXT to the road or on overpasses.   They can
>cause SERIOUS HARM to you and your car.
>(just a cliff-notes version of my story follows)
>10pm last night, I was travelling on the interstate here in
>knoxville,  I was taking an offramp exit to another interstate
>and my wife suddenly screamed and something LARGE hit the side
>of my truck.  We slowed down, but after looking back to see the
>vandals standing there, we drove on to the police station.
>She did get a good look at the guy and saw him "cock his arm" with
>something the size of a cinderblock, BUT I never saw him. We are
>VERY lucky the truck sits up high on the road; if it would have hit
>her window, it would have killed her.
>The police are looking for the guy, but in all likelyhood he is gone.
>I am a very good driver (knock on wood), but it was night-time and
>I never saw the guy.  The police said they thought the motive was to
>hit the car, have us STOP to check out the damage, and then JUMP US,
>and take the truck.
>PLEASE BE AWARE OF FOLKS.  AND FOR YOUR OWN GOOD, PLEASE DON'T STOP!!!!
>peace.
>--
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>brian larose  larose@cs.utk.edu   #12, 3103 Essary Rd. Knoxville, TN 37918.
>{}
As long as we're on the subject... Several years ago myself and two others
were riding in the front of a Toyota pickup heading south on Interstate 5
north of Seattle, WA. Someone threw a rock of an overpass and hit our
windshield. Not by accident I'm sure, it was impossible to get up to the
overpass quickly to see who did it. We figured it was kids, reported it and
left.
A couple of years ago it happend again and killed a guy at my company. He was
in his mid-fourties and left behind a wife and children. Turned out there was
a reformatory for juviniles a few blocks away. They caught the 14 year old
that did it. They put a cover over the overpass, what else could they do?
I don't think I'll over forget this story.
Neil Williams, Boeing Computer Services, Bellevue WA.
.
From: toml@miles.ca.boeing.com (Tom Locke)
Subject: $22600 Subaru SVX -  Good deal?
Organization: BoGART Graphics Development
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Hi netters,
My friend is seriously thinking of getting the Subaru SVX. There is
a local dealer here in Seattle selling them for $22600, with
Touring package, that's $7400 off from MSRP. He thinks it's a
very good deal (and I think so too). Since he knows I have access to
the net, he would like to get anyone's opinion about this car, especially
in the area of reliability and maintenanability.
Please send e-mail to me as my friend doesn't have access to the net.
My opinion about this car is, you get a lot for $22600:
auto everything (tranny, climate control, windows, locks, folddow rear seet),
full wheel drive, 2+2, fast (143 top spped), heavy (3580lb);-)
Thanks in advacne!
--
Tom Locke                         Work: (206) 865-6568
Boeing Computer Services        E-mail: toml@voodoo.boeing.com
P.O. Box 24346  M/S 7K-20           or: uunet!bcstec!voodoo!toml
Seattle, WA  98124-0346
From: eliot@stalfos.engr.washington.edu (eliot)
Subject: Re: Open letter to NISSAN (Really Station Wagon)
Organization: clearer than blir
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this week's autoweek talks about how wagons are getting back in vogue.
i wouldn't mind an audi s4 wagon (great stealth value) but you'll
never catch me dead in a minivan!
eliot
From: dcd@se.houston.geoquest.slb.com (Dan Day)
Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...
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In article <1qke5b$mc4@spool.mu.edu> jason@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (Jason Hanson) writes:
>>From article <1993Apr15.024246.8076@Virginia.EDU>, by ejv2j@Virginia.EDU ("Erik Velapoldi"):
>>> This happened about a year ago on the Washington DC Beltway.
>>> Snot nosed drunken kids decided it would be really cool to
>>> throw huge rocks down on cars from an overpass.  Four or five
>>> cars were hit.  There were several serious injuries, and sadly
>
>About a year ago, some kids tossed a rock off an overpass on I-94 near Eau
>Claire, Wisconsin and it killed the driver below.  (I believe he was a
>schoolteacher from Minnesota.)
Here in Houston a couple years ago a young pregnant woman was killed
in a similar manner.
From: dcd@se.houston.geoquest.slb.com (Dan Day)
Subject: Re: Car buying story, was: Christ, another dealer service scam...
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In article <1993Apr15.161531.11737@newsgate.sps.mot.com> rapw20@email.sps.mot.com writes:
>
>their problem, I wasn't giving them any more money. The finance guy then
>brought in the manager on duty who proceeded to give me a hard time. I
>reminded him that I was the customer and I didn't think I should be
>treated like that and that if he didn't back off he could forget the whole
>deal. He made some smart remark so I told him where he could stick it,
>snatched back my check and left. Needless to say, they were not pleased by
>the turn of events.
That's nothing.  When a friend of mine went shopping for a small
sedan a few years ago, she brought me along as a token male so
the salespeople wouldn't give her the "bimbo" treatment.
Her first choice was a Mazda 323, and second choice was a Nissan
Sentra.  We went to a Mazda dealership and described what "we"
wanted.  We started negotiating on the price, and the salesdroid
kept playing the "let me run this price by the sales manager".  After
playing the "good salesman, bad salesman" game, we finally told him
that if he didn't have the authority to negotiate a price, perhaps
we should be speaking directly to someone who did.  He brought in
the sales manager who proceeded to dick us around with every trick
in the book.  (Read Remar Sutton's "Don't Get Taken Every Time" for a
list.)  Finally, after playing a few more rounds of "you'll have to
work with us on this price", also known as "each time you come up a
thousand dollars we'll come down ten", the salesmanager gave a signal to
his two sales cronies, stood up, and said "well, we can't come down any
more so I guess we can't help you" and they trouped out of the room,
leaving us sitting in the salesman's office all by ourselves.  Hmm.
I'd read that sleazy salesmen sometimes bug their own offices so they
can leave and listen in on couples discussing the sales offer, and
I mentioned this aloud to my friend while we were sitting there wondering
why they would leave us in the office instead of showing us to the
door.  For lack of anything better to do, I picked up the phone on
the desk and called another Mazda dealership, asked for a salesman,
and began discussing what kind of price they would consider.  A few
sentences into the conversation, Mr. Salesmanager broke into the line
(!) and began telling me how rude he thought it was that I would call
another dealership from "his" phone!  I said that since he'd announced
that our business was over, he shouldn't care, and every time I tried
to talk to the other sales guy the sales manager would drown out our
voices with his own.  (How did he know that I was using the phone,
anyway?)  Finally, I hung up and we headed out of the showroom.
Sales manager and cronies come out of a little unmarked room and he
begins to berate us again.  We say that we won't bother him anymore,
we're going next door to the Nissan dealership.
Then comes the part I wish I could have videotaped.  As we go out
the front door, the sales manager SHOUTS across the entire showroom,
customers and all, "Go ahead!  You DESERVE to buy a Nissan!"
So my friend bought a Sentra.
Just so the guilty won't go unpunished, I'll mention that the
sales manager's name was Gary Tusone.  From his manner, his
refusal to come down to a reasonable price, and his anger at the
end, my guess is that he had bet our original salesman (who was
a young novice) that he'd be able to get at least X dollars out of
us, and he was steamed that we wouldn't fall for his slimy tricks.
From: barnesm@sun.com (Mark Barnes - SunSoft)
Subject: Re: LH Workmanship
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
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Reply-To: barnesm@sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: vavau.corp.sun.com
I was following an example of the LH the other day, and noticed the fit
between the tunk lid and the rear bumper.   The gap was quite small on
the left side, but much larger on the right.  Blech!!!
---Mark
From: bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw)
Subject: Re: Too fast
Organization: Corporation for Open Systems
Distribution: world
Lines: 35
In <1993Apr14.045526.21945@cactus.org> boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) writes:
>In article <1qg19v$5ju@umcc.umcc.umich.edu> mhartman@umcc.umcc.umich.edu (Mark Hartman) writes:
>>
>> I don't know why you are complaining about 130.  Alot of us have cars that
>>can easily top that. Most that go 130 are built to do it also and can handle
>>the speed.  Why complain and just join in on the fast fun ?  Can I ask.
>>Have any of you been at the speed of 130 ?  Its a rush.
>Driving 130 in a straight line is fine, you very soon become aclimated
>to it. It's only a rush when there are corners that you don't
>think you can make.
>On a clear autobahn, 130 is nothing. In the U.S. 99% of people and
>all judges would label you insane and it is difficult to persuade
>people otherwise.
Sure, but the surface condition of most good autobahns is far better
than most of the roads here. A dip in the asphalt that you test your
shocks on at 60 will kill you at 130. Don't get me wrong, I love to
drive quickly and they say my Probe will do 130, but that's 30 more
than I've ever tried in it cause there isn't a decent enough piece
of road hereabouts.
>Craig
>>
>>--
>>   Mark Hartman         mhartman@umcc.umcc.umich.edu
>>   Kalamazoo, MI        bk405@cleveland.freenet.edu
>>    "I'm naked in the school!" - Sleepyhead -
>>
Bob
From: wanderer@camelot.bradley.edu (Kevin Murphy)
Subject: old license plates wanted
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Organization: Bradley University
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Hi.. Me and My roomate are going to redecorate the "living room" and
we thought it would be a cool idea to have a license plate from every
state in the US and then from whereever else we could find, like canada,
Mexixo, even some European ones.
If anyone has any ideas or knows someone that could help us out
please let me know....  The more recent, the better, but anything
would be nice.
Either that or if you have an old plate hanging around... (hint hint!)
Kev
wanderer@camelot.bradley.edu
Kevin C Murphy
1312 West Main Street #421
Peoria IL 61606
Subject: Re: MGBs and the real world
From: derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne)
Organization: Fujitsu New Zealand - Software Development Center
Lines: 20
In article <1993Apr8.095119.5367@hasler.ascom.ch> kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch writes:
>
>Oh yeah, I had a 1975 1275GT Mini, and even before I did anything
>to it, it could leave an MGB standing anywhere except, perhaps, on a long straight
>motorway run at 90+.
>
>People who bought MGB`s bought them because they were an open topped sportscar
>and embodied what people thought they should for an old fashioned traditional
>brit. sportscar - not because they were great at anything.
Pretty much like the people who buy the Mazda MX-5 (Miata) today.  Small
fun and you can fool yourself (and a lot of other people) that you have the
performance of many far superior (and much more expensive) performnace cars.
--
Derek Tearne.   --   derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz   --    Fujitsu New Zealand   --
Some of the more aware dinosaurs were worried about the environmental
consequences of an accident with the new Iridium enriched fusion reactor.
"If it goes off only the cockroaches and mammals will survive..." they said.
From: bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw)
Subject: Re: Dumbest Driver Action
Organization: Corporation for Open Systems
Distribution: usa
Lines: 41
In <C5Dq2n.5uB@news.cso.uiuc.edu> mwbg9715@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark Wayne Blunier) writes:
>jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes:
>>I wish I had the figures with me to back me up, but I recall
>>statistics showing that women tended to have more accidents than men
>>but the damage was generally quite minor.  Men had fewer but far more
>>expensive accidents.  The rate of total vehicle destruction was
>>*significantly* higher for men than women, particularly in the younger
>>male age groups.
>>IMHO social considerations are probably the strongest influence here,
>>possibly more so than any difference between the sexes.  Social
>>influences often affect the type of car that's bought and the
>>situations the car is used in, and the type of car and driving
>>situations have a major effect on accident risk.  Thus if society
>>expects you to buy a Mustang and race it on the street you're more
>>likely to do it, and our society expects that of males more than
>>females.
>I agree with some of your social influences, such as driving conditions,
>but lets get real here.  Guys don't drag race becuase there expected too,
>we do it becuase its fun!  (and we find out whose car is faster).
>Guys drive different than women becuase there men.  When a driver is
>driving 'unusually', I can usually figure out if it is a male or female
>driver without looking at the driver.
>Social influences may give a person more reason to buy a vehicle that
>has a certain amount of character which he or she would like associated
>with.  Do you change your driving habits when no one is around?
Sheesh! I don't know what kind of women they have where you guys live,
but there are some ladies here who will blow your doors off. Or at least
they will try to, but we just can't let the youngsters get too uppity
with us old folks :-).
>>My $.02.
>Mark B.
>>jim frost
>>jimf@centerline.com
Bob
From: dlb5404@tamuts.tamu.edu (Daryl Biberdorf)
Subject: Re: LH Workmanship
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
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NNTP-Posting-Host: tamuts.tamu.edu
In article <1993Apr15.203750.25764@walter.bellcore.com> jchen@ctt.bellcore.com writes:
>I just visited the NY Auto Show, and saw two LH cars on the floor: Eagle
>Vision and Dodge Intrepid.
>at a competitive price.  ...
>
>Unfortunately, the workmanship is quite disappointing. On BOTH cars,
>the rubber seals around the window and door fell off. It turns out
>the seals are just big grooved rubber band. It goes on just by pressing
"Through a single data point, you can draw any line you want."
-- Dr. S. Bart Childs, Professor, Texas A&M Dept. of Computer Science
Both my pastor's late model Corolla and my father's 1987 Stanza
have demonstrated the "falling door seals" problem.
Daryl Biberdorf  N5GJM    d-biberdorf@tamu.edu
+ Sola Gratia + Sola Fide + Sola Scriptura
Subject: 1993 Honda Civic
From: <LIBEMC@BYUVM.BITNET>
Organization: Brigham Young University
Lines: 8
I'd like to converse with anyone who has purchased a 1993 Honda
Civic about their experience.  I'm new to the car buying game
and would like to know what price I can expect to pay for a sedan
after bargaining.
Thanks in advance,
-- Ellen
From: wl@cypress.com (Wilbur Luo/COMM)
Subject: Heard of these South Bay shops?
Originator: wl@coast
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Organization: Cypress Semiconductor
Distribution: ba
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I need to bring on my VW Corrado for body work (I got hit). I was
wondering if anyone has heard of any of these South Bay body shops:
Akins Collision Center of Santa Clara - on Reed St
Auto West Collision - in San Jose
Los Gatos Acura
Royal Auto Body - in Sunnyvale
Thanks!
-W
From: alung@megatest.com (Aaron Lung)
Subject: Re: Changing oil by self.rist, another dealer service scam...
Organization: Megatest Corporation
Lines: 25
In article <1qk5m9$pbe@news.ysu.edu> ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) writes:
>>
>>I was worried about someone stealing my oil once also. I finally
>>decided to just have my drain plug welded shut. It works great !
>>I figure that when I add three or four quarts when the oil light
>>comes on every month or so that it's just as good or better than
>>the old wives tale of changing the oil AND filter every 3000 miles.
>>Works for me, I must say.
>>
>
>I did the same thing to my drain plug for the same reasons.  I was wondering
>how you filled your crankcase though as I welded my hood shut also out of fear
>that somebody might steal my air-filter.
Oh come on, Silly, all you have to do is cut a hole in your hood and
put a tube there so you can get to the oil fill hole.  What do you
think all those big air intake things are for on those hot-rod cars?
They're just for looks only...little does anyone know, they provide
access to the oil-fill hole.
Well, over where we live, we have problems with vandals stealing
people's wheels.  Those locking nuts didn't stop them.  So to be
safe and sure, I welded the lug nuts to my wheels together.  It
works, serious!  I haven't had my wheels stolen yet!
.
From: gregl@zimmer.CSUFresno.EDU (Greg Lewis)
Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...
Keywords: BRICK, TRUCK, DANGER
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In article <1qh336INNfl5@CS.UTK.EDU> larose@austin.cs.utk.edu (Brian LaRose) writes:
>This just a warning to EVERYBODY on the net.  Watch out for
>folks standing NEXT to the road or on overpasses.   They can
>cause SERIOUS HARM to you and your car.
>
>(just a cliff-notes version of my story follows)
>
>10pm last night, I was travelling on the interstate here in
>knoxville,  I was taking an offramp exit to another interstate
>and my wife suddenly screamed and something LARGE hit the side
>of my truck.  We slowed down, but after looking back to see the
>vandals standing there, we drove on to the police station.
>
>She did get a good look at the guy and saw him "cock his arm" with
>something the size of a cinderblock, BUT I never saw him. We are
>VERY lucky the truck sits up high on the road; if it would have hit
>her window, it would have killed her.
>
>The police are looking for the guy, but in all likelyhood he is gone.
Stuff deleted...
I am sorry to report that in Southern California it was a sick sport
for a while to drop concrete blocks from the overpasses onto the
freeway.  Several persons were killed when said blocks came through
their windshields.  Many overpass bridges are now fenced, and they
have made it illegal to loiter on such bridges (as if that would stop
such people).  Yet many bridges are NOT fenced.  I always look up at a
bridge while I still have time to take evasive action even though this
*sport* has not reached us here in Fresno.
___________________________________________________________________
Greg_Lewis@csufresno.edu
Photojournalism sequence, Department of Journalism
CSU Fresno, Fresno, CA 93740
From: klf@druwa.ATT.COM (FranklinKL)
Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time
Summary: Continental the first - Don't think so!
Distribution: na
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In article <C5HHGM.1rM@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu>, callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) writes:
| In article <1993Apr13.215605.26252@slcs.slb.com> dcd@se.houston.geoquest.slb.com (Dan Day) writes:
| >In article <1q4466INNb85@ctron-news.ctron.com> smith@ctron.com writes:
| >>
| >>It's a big aftermarket business.  Almost no cars come from the factory with
| >>vynal any more, and any fake "convertible" job _definitely_ came from some
| >>aftermarket place.  What amazes me is how much people are willing to pay for
| >>bad taste
| >
| >How about those really ugly fake wheel compartments stuck onto the
| >trunk or side (or both sides!) of some tacky luxury cars?
|
| Some of 'em aren't fake (if you're talking about the Continental kit,
| named after the Lincoln Continental, the first car to sport one). I
| personally would _love_ to have a '56 T-Bird with a Continental kit
| (and the supercharged V-8 :-); that is one of the most beautiful
| cars ever built, IMHO.
|
| 				James
|
The Continental may have been the first "modern era" auto to mount the
spare on the rear of the car but it was hardly the first car to sport one.
Various mounting techniques for rear mounting the spare were quite common
in early automobiles, both US and Foreign.
--
Ken Franklin 	They say there's a heaven for people who wait
AMA     	And some say it's better but I say it ain't
GWRRA           I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints
DoD #0126       The sinners are lots more fun, Y'know only the good die young
From: steve.dunham@uuserv.cc.utah.edu (STEVE LEE DUNHAM)
Subject: Re: Car buying story, was: Christ, another dealer service scam...
Lines: 18
Organization: The University of Utah
Distribution: usa
>While not exactly a service incident, I had a similar experience recently
>when I bought a new truck.
>
>I had picked out the vehicle I wanted and after a little haggling we
>agreed on a price. I wrote them a check for the down payment plus tax
>and license and told them I'd be back that evening to pick up the truck.
>When I returned, I had to wait about an hour before the finance guy could
>get to me. When I finally got in there, everything went smoothly until he
>started adding up the numbers. He then discovered that they had
>miscalculated the tax & license by about $150.
This seems to be a popular scam with dealers.  Last month my brother bought
a new Audi 90 series quatro from a local dealer.  They came back with the
final price, tax and all, and he added it up for himself.  There happened to
be an extra $300 tagged on under the tax part. He pointed out their error
and asked them to re-think their addition.  They came back with the right
price the next time.
From: cs173sbw@sdcc5.ucsd.edu (cs173sbw)
Subject: RE: How is Cizeta V16T doing?
Lines: 22
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In article <crh.734864478@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> crh@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.dbp.de (Christian Huebner) writes:
>I can remember reading a track competition in some car-magazine, which
>featured the Testarossa, the Diablo and the V16T. The result was about
>the same I would have expected: The Cizeta was not only the slowest of
>the three,  but also dropped out halfway during it's test laps because
>of smoking brakes. For a sportscar it showed ridiculous performance.
>
Hm... I find this hard to believe.  V16T weights about the same as
the Red Head, but it has hell lot more horse power.  Perhaps it's
due to pre-production glitches?  Well, to me, it still got the most
imposing styling among all the sports cars I have seen.
>Bye...
>
>Chris  crh@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de
>
>Ferrari F40 - Best sportscar ever built!
Personally, I don't like cars that rely on turbo power.  I guess everyone
has their favorite car.
From: rkim@eecg.toronto.edu (Ryan Kim)
Subject: New break pads & exhausts after 96K km (60K mi) on '90 Maxima?
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Lines: 43
Hi, maybe someone can help me here...
I am looking to buy this 1990 Nissan Maxima GXE for CDN$14000 right now.
The car has 96000 km (or about 60000 miles) on it.
A typical mileage for 1990 cars seem to be about 70000 km (or about 43K mi).
The seller just informed me that when he brought the car in for certification
he was told that the front break pads and the exhausts had to be replaced
to meet the legal standards.  (He said he will replace the components before
selling the car to me.)
Being copmletely ignorant to the technical stuff on cars, I don't know
what this could mean...
Is 96K km about the time typical for replacing the above mentioned items?
Or is this an indication that the car was abused?
Would other things break down or have to be replaced soon?
The seller told me that he used the car on the highway a lot, but,
I don't know how to verify this...  I've seen the paint chipped away
in tiny dots in the front edge of the hood, though.
Although the Maxima is an excellent car and the car is very clean and
well kept, it's currently out of warranty
(a similarly priced '90 Accord with 70K km will have 2 years or 30K km
worth of warranty left) and I don't want to worry about paying for
any repair bills...
But, I also need a car for 5 people...
When will the new Maxima come out, by the way?
I would very much appreciate your input in this.
Please reply by e-mail (preferred) or post in this newsgroup.
Thanks!
Ryan
========
Ryan Kim
University of Toronto, EECG, Computer Graphics    rkim@eecg.toronto.edu
"Do not weave between traffic cones at road works."
- from the new British Highway Code
(Toronto Star April 3, 1993)
From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc)
Subject: Re: Instead of a Saturn SC2, What???
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
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srihari@cirrus.com (Srihari Shoroff) writes:
>In <Ifn=sPO00iV18_A8NZ@andrew.cmu.edu> jr4q+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jason M. Roth) writes:
>>>R&T had an article on cars of the SC1 ilk and they liked the Civic Ex,
>>>the Escort GT and the MX-3 best of all, and the SC1 was way down the
>>>list except for braking.
>>I just looked at that article; first of all, this summary is inaccurate;
>>of 10 cars, the SC1 was 5th, right behind these mentioned and the Suzuki
>>Swift (!). As has been pointed out, it was a semi-silly comparison; the
>>Saturn was at least $500 cheaper than the MX-3 and Escort (admittedly
>>negligible, but an issue), and $1500 (!)less than the Honda. The stated
>>goal was a base under $12k; the Honda was $500 over, while the SC2 at
>>the same price was excluded. In other words, they let the best Honda
>>play, but not the best Saturn.  Note that the Saturn did beat the $13k
>I dont know about the car comparison but as far as the price goes rest
>assured that the street prices for the MX-3 and Escort and (maybe) even
>the Honda will be lesser than that of the Saturn you're talking about.
>All price comparisons I've seen are based on MSRP and of course the
>saturn dealer will sell the car for sticker price whereas the others
>will do it way below sticker.
>Srihari
I'd hate to rehash an old thread, but...  Would someone kindly quote
a prices that a dealer quotes for a Civic EX, and Escort GT.  Also, I'm a
assuming that the MX-3 was the V-6, so go ahead and look that up, too.  If
someone has one of those yearly buyers' guides that give a low quote price,
please quote them, too.  Then find the the SC1 base price.
Thanks.
--
Chintan Amin <The University of Illinois UrbanaChampaign> mail: llama@uiuc.edu
******************************Neil Peart, (c)1981*****************************
*"Quick to judge, Quick to Anger, Slow to understand, Ignorance and Prejudice*
*And********Fear********Walk********************Hand*********in*********Hand"*
From: jchen@wind.bellcore.com (Jason Chen)
Subject: Re: LH Workmanship
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In article <1ql178INN51q@tamsun.tamu.edu> dlb5404@tamuts.tamu.edu (Daryl Biberdorf) writes:
>In article <1993Apr15.203750.25764@walter.bellcore.com> jchen@ctt.bellcore.com writes:
>>I just visited the NY Auto Show, and saw two LH cars on the floor: Eagle
>>Vision and Dodge Intrepid.
>>at a competitive price.  ...
>>
>>Unfortunately, the workmanship is quite disappointing. On BOTH cars,
>>the rubber seals around the window and door fell off. It turns out
>>the seals are just big grooved rubber band. It goes on just by pressing
>
>
>"Through a single data point, you can draw any line you want."
>-- Dr. S. Bart Childs, Professor, Texas A&M Dept. of Computer Science
>
Wrong. I got two points, which were the 100% sample space on the show
floor. By the previous quote, I guess I may drow a determinstic line?
>
>Both my pastor's late model Corolla and my father's 1987 Stanza
>have demonstrated the "falling door seals" problem.
>
As unfair as it may seem, the difference between Chrysler and Toyota is
that Chrysler needs to prove that it can build quality cars. Toyota can
afford make a few small mistakes without hurting the image.
After all, door seal failing on a 6-year old Stanza is not comparable to
the same problem on a brand new Intreprid.
Jason Chen
From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen)
Subject: Re: Open letter to NISSAN (Really Station Wagon)
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
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In article <Apr16.000710.27408@engr.washington.edu> eliot@stalfos.engr.washington.edu (eliot) writes:
>
>this week's autoweek talks about how wagons are getting back in vogue.
>i wouldn't mind an audi s4 wagon (great stealth value) but you'll
>never catch me dead in a minivan!
even a minivan based on viper running gear?
-teddy
p.s. i think the audi S4 gets a 4.2 liter V-8 next year.
From: callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison)
Subject: Re: Do trains/busses have radar?
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In article <1993Apr15.111910.1@bronco.fnal.gov> colombo@bronco.fnal.gov (Rick 'Open VMS 4ever' Colombo) writes:
>
>I don't know about trains, but I've saw a sign on the back of a
>Greyhound bus that warns you that your radar detector may be set off.
>It doesn't explain why, but it does set off my radar detector.
Because Greyhound has apparently gotten around to installing their
RADAR collision-prevention system. They use RADAR to monitor how close
other vehicles are and how fast their relative speeds are, and signals
a warning to the driver if they're coming up on something too fast
or are getting too close.
This is all I remember from the news reports a few months back; at
the time, they were only talking about the possibility of installing
the system. (They didn't mention how it worked in bumper-to-bumper
traffic, or how it discriminated between a Camaro approaching at
120mph and ye olde bridge support in the median being approached
at 60mph on a curve.)
I do recall something about progressive stages of warnings, from
flashing lights to audible warnings--ie, it goes from a red "Too
close" light to hysterically screaming "WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE!!!!"  :-)
James
James P. Callison    Microcomputer Coordinator, U of Oklahoma Law Center
Callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu   /\    Callison@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu
DISCLAIMER: I'm not an engineer, but I play one at work...
The forecast calls for Thunder...'89 T-Bird SC
"It's a hell of a thing, killing a man. You take away all he has
and all he's ever gonna have."
--Will Munny, "Unforgiven"
From: scott@psy.uwa.oz.au (Scott Fisher)
Subject: Re: MGBs and the real world
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derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne) writes:
>>People who bought MGB`s bought them because they were an open topped sportscar
>>and embodied what people thought they should for an old fashioned traditional
>>brit. sportscar - not because they were great at anything.
>Pretty much like the people who buy the Mazda MX-5 (Miata) today.  Small
>fun and you can fool yourself (and a lot of other people) that you have the
>performance of many far superior (and much more expensive) performnace cars.
I have been for a fairly hard run in an MX5, what they lack in power they
surely make up for in handling.  Great for back streets with heaps of corners.
They are a fairly light car with a low center of gravity and a quite free
revving DOHC engine, a fun car.  Have you driven a TURBO converted
MX5?  Now they are starting to perform!  I've often thought a Mazda rotary
would go well in the XM5 too....anyone done it?
Regards Scott.
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From: callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison)
Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...
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In article <1993Apr15.173951.20173@icf.hrb.com> jek@icf.hrb.com (Joe Karolchik) writes:
>(I deleted your name because I don't want to sound accusative in my remark)
>>
>> On another occasion, on my way from Texas to Florida, I had stopped in
>> a small motel
>> for the night in a small town somewhere in Florida. About 5 youths were
>> disturbing my
>> car, setting off the alarm and challenging me to come out. When I and
>> another tenant
>> walked out with a 357 Magnum and a 45 automatic respectively, they vanished.
>> Needless to say, I immediately packed-up and left.
>>
>> Watch out for car-jacking and staged accidents. They can be deadly!
>>
>I'm not going to argue the issue of carrying weapons, but I would ask you if
>you would have thought seriously about shooting a kid for setting off your
>alarm?  I can think of worse things in the world.  Glad you got out of there
>before they did anything to give you a reason to fire your gun.
If I hear someone screwing with my car (ie, setting off the alarm) and
taunting me to come out, you can be damn sure that my Colt Delta Elite
will also be coming with me. It's not the screwing with the car that'd
get them shot, it's the potential physical danger. If they're
taunting like that, it's very possible that they also intend to rob
me and/or do other physically harmful things.
If they're just screwing around, no harm done. If they're bent on
mayhem, they will receive the cure for their lead deficiency; a
180gr. injection @1200 fps...there's no telling what today's violent
criminals will do. Death may be the most pleasant outcome...
James
James P. Callison    Microcomputer Coordinator, U of Oklahoma Law Center
Callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu   /\    Callison@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu
DISCLAIMER: I'm not an engineer, but I play one at work...
The forecast calls for Thunder...'89 T-Bird SC
"It's a hell of a thing, killing a man. You take away all he has
and all he's ever gonna have."
--Will Munny, "Unforgiven"
From: boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle)
Subject: Re: New break pads & exhausts after 96K km (60K mi) on '90 Maxima?
Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx
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In article <1993Apr16.000601.14223@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> rkim@eecg.toronto.edu (Ryan Kim) writes:
>
>Hi, maybe someone can help me here...
>I am looking to buy this 1990 Nissan Maxima GXE for CDN$14000 right now.
So its an automatic? Don't know if US spec=CDN spec. for Maximas.
>The car has 96000 km (or about 60000 miles) on it.
>A typical mileage for 1990 cars seem to be about 70000 km (or about 43K mi).
>The seller just informed me that when he brought the car in for certification
>he was told that the front break pads and the exhausts had to be replaced
>to meet the legal standards.  (He said he will replace the components before
>selling the car to me.)
>
>Being copmletely ignorant to the technical stuff on cars, I don't know
>what this could mean...
>Is 96K km about the time typical for replacing the above mentioned items?
>Or is this an indication that the car was abused?
If it is the first set of brake pads on front, then this is fine. My car
eats a set every 15k miles or so. The fact that he is replacing the
muffler too is also ok.
>Would other things break down or have to be replaced soon?
The mileage is fairly low - but typical fwd stuff is CV joints. Check
the maintenance records with the manufacturers requirements for valve
adjustments, timing belt changes and so on.
The 60k mile service is often expensive, so make sure he has done everything.
>The seller told me that he used the car on the highway a lot, but,
>I don't know how to verify this...  I've seen the paint chipped away
>in tiny dots in the front edge of the hood, though.
>
Well, this is one of the commonly cited methods for identifying a
car with highway miles.
Might check the gas pedal wear too. Ask him how many sets of tires he
has been through. A highway car might have squeezed by on 2 sets,
a hard driven car 6-10 sets.
>Although the Maxima is an excellent car and the car is very clean and
>well kept, it's currently out of warranty
>(a similarly priced '90 Accord with 70K km will have 2 years or 30K km
>worth of warranty left) and I don't want to worry about paying for
>any repair bills...
Well, the Maxima should be pretty reliable - but if its out of warranty
you should get it checked out by someone knowledgeable first. Stuff
for Japanese cars can be expensive.
>But, I also need a car for 5 people...
>
>When will the new Maxima come out, by the way?
1995 model year, I believe.
>
>I would very much appreciate your input in this.
>Please reply by e-mail (preferred) or post in this newsgroup.
Craig
>Thanks!
>
>Ryan
>
>
>
>========
>Ryan Kim
>University of Toronto, EECG, Computer Graphics    rkim@eecg.toronto.edu
>"Do not weave between traffic cones at road works."
>                                    - from the new British Highway Code
>                                           (Toronto Star April 3, 1993)
>
From: callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison)
Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time
Nntp-Posting-Host: uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu
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In article <1993Apr15.223029.23340@cactus.org> boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) writes:
>In article <C5JnK3.JKt@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) writes:
>>	Wasn't the original intent of the reverse lights for the driver, so he
>>could see where he was backing up???  Although reverse lights on the sides
>
>No. reverse lights are to warn others that you are backing up. They
>aren't bright enough to (typically) see by without the brake and tail
>lights.
I don't know where you live, but I couldn't get out of my driveway
at night without reverse lights. As someone said, out in the country
you notice neat little things like stars and the difference between
day and night. At night around my house (which is amongst a forest of
rather tall oaks) it is DARK, except for nights with full moons.
Reverse lights illuminate my path very well when backing up; I greatly
prefer cars with them to cars without operational reverse lights.
James
James P. Callison    Microcomputer Coordinator, U of Oklahoma Law Center
Callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu   /\    Callison@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu
DISCLAIMER: I'm not an engineer, but I play one at work...
The forecast calls for Thunder...'89 T-Bird SC
"It's a hell of a thing, killing a man. You take away all he has
and all he's ever gonna have."
--Will Munny, "Unforgiven"
From: qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Aamir Hafeez Qazi)
Subject: Re: How is Cizeta V16T doing?
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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> cs173sbw@sdcc5.ucsd.edu (cs173sbw) writes:
>
>>Does anyone know what happpened to the venerable V16T!?  Has Claudio
>>done any enhancement to it?  Are there any pictures of this beast I
>>can ftp down somewhere?
>>THanks
>>p.s.  Better, seen any RC model of this beauty? :)
--AutoWeek had an article about the car within the past six weeks.
It was the issue with the Diablo VT AWD on the cover.  Naturally, I
don't remember the date of the issue offhand, but I can check it if
anyone is interested.
--Aamir Qazi
--
Aamir Qazi
qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
--Why should I care?  I'd rather watch drying paint.
From: qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Aamir Hafeez Qazi)
Subject: Re: BMW 3 series for 94?
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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From article <eabu288-140493210752@dialin33635.slip.nts.uci.edu>, by eabu288@orion.oac.uci.edu (Alvin):
>
> Is there going to be a BMW 328 in 1994?
--Could be.  Isn't the 2.5 liter six supposed to be enlarged to 2.8 liters
in the not-too-distant future?
--Aamir Qazi
--
Aamir Qazi
qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
--Why should I care?  I'd rather watch drying paint.
From: qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Aamir Hafeez Qazi)
Subject: Re: Instead of a Saturn SC2, What???
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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From article <1qkkl5INNbvo@hp-col.col.hp.com>, by theckel@col.hp.com (Tim Heckel):
> For those that are interested I got my fully optioned (Air, ABS,
> sunroof) '92 SE-R in September 1991 for $13,555 in Sacramento, CA. It
> was one of the 1st '92s sold, few of the dealers had any, no local
> dealer had an ABS equipped SE-R.  I went straight to the fleet manager
> at the dealership I liked, told him what I wanted, made him aware that I
> knew what his price should be.  He called me back with exactly what I
> wanted from a dealer 125mi away, I took delivery the next day.
--When I was selling Nissans last summer, I sold a '92 SE-R in early August
when its supply was getting quite scarce.  The car was black with ABS,
Value Option Pkg, and power moonroof.  I sold it for $12,900 plus tax.
Naturally, my manager didn't really care to sell one of the most desirable
SE-R's for virtually no profit (to the best of my knowledge).....
--Aamir Qazi
--
Aamir Qazi
qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
--Why should I care?  I'd rather watch drying paint.
From: Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser)
Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
<93Apr15.165432.44598@acs.ucalgary.ca> <C5JnK3.JKt@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
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>
>No. reverse lights are to warn others that you are backing up. They
>aren't bright enough to (typically) see by without the brake and tail
>lights.
>
>
>Craig
Perhaps instead of this silly argument about what backup lights
are for, couldn't we agree that they serve the dual purpose of
letting people behind your car know that you have it in reverse
and that they can also light up the area behind your car while
you're backing up so you can see?
Backup lamps on current models are much brighter than they used
to be on older cars. Those on my Taurus Wagon are quite bright
enough to illuminate a good area behind the car, and they're
MUCH brighter than those on my earlier cars from the 60s and 70s.
Insofar as Vettes having side backup lights, look at a '92 or '93
model (or perhaps a year or two earlier too) and you'll see
red side marker lamps and white side marker lamps both near the
car's hindquarters.  Those aren't just white reflectors.
Harv
From: eliot@lanmola.engr.washington.edu (eliot)
Subject: Re: station wagons (was  Open letter to NISSAN
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In article <1993Apr16.052013.23517@leland.Stanford.EDU> tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen) writes:
>>but you'll
>>never catch me dead in a minivan!
>even a minivan based on viper running gear?
hmmmm.. not sure, since no such beast exists.. i can tell you another
though..  you won't catch me dead in a GMC Syclone or Typhoon either,
1000 bhp or not.. not even the fact that Clint Eastwood has one.  just
my taste,  no rational reasons for it.
>-teddy
>p.s. i think the audi S4 gets a 4.2 liter V-8 next year.
CAR just tested the S4 wagon with 5 banger and 6 speed manual.  Rave
review except for Servotronic..  Audi is trying to recoup the
development costs for the V8, and since the V8 is not selling well,
they are sticking it into the 100 series cars.. Neat marketing trick,
eh?  yeah, a 100 V8-32v wouldn't be a bad idea as competition for the
upcoming bimmer 530/540i would it?  maybe they can use a 3.6 liter
version to avoid conflicts with the v8 model.. then strip off all the
luxo-garbage.  let the S4 remain with the flared arches and fat tires
to go fight with the M5.... maybe turn up the boost a wee bit to bump
bhp up to say 450 or so.. :-) while keeping the 100 V8 with mercedes
500E style subtlety.
blah blah blah....
eliot
From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen)
Subject: Re: MGBs and the real world
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
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In article <1qlg02$iu6@uniwa.uwa.oz.au> scott@psy.uwa.oz.au (Scott Fisher) writes:
>Have you driven a TURBO converted
>MX5?  Now they are starting to perform!  I've often thought a Mazda rotary
>would go well in the XM5 too....anyone done it?
no, but somebody's dropped a ford 302 V-8 into the miata, somewhat
reminiscent of the shelby cobra.  the car's obviously not as nimble
as before, but it's supposed to have a near 50/50 weight distribution
and handle very well.  i'd sure love to drive one.
-teddy
From: dye@lachman.com (Ken R. Dye )
Subject: Re: Feedback requested on lowering '66 Mustang
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In article <X3XZ2B2w165w@vllyoak.resun.com> jp@vllyoak.resun.com (Jeff Perry) writes:
>I have found a kit advertised for lowering the front end of an early
>mustang.  Installation envolves moving the upper A-arm and installation
>of a wedge shaped spacer between the A-arm and ball joint.  Apparently,
>Shelby Mustangs did a similair modification, but left out the spacer.
>
>I would be interested in feedback, pro or con, on such a modification.
I'm no mustang head, but don't the early ones have a simple
strut suspension (that is, with no upper A-arm)?  Just a strut
going down to a lower control arm (single bushing: not an A-arm), with a
tension/compression rod locating it in the forward/backward direction?
Anyway, simple strut suspensions like this can be lowered just by using
shorter springs, cutting the springs, lowering the spring perch or shortening
the strut below the perch.  In each of these cases, the suspension geometry
will suffer because the lower control arms will not be at the
intended angle.  A spacer placed between control arm and the bottom
of the strut (roughly the height of the reduction) will restore
the suspension geometry.  IMHO, the kit that includes the spacer
is the only way to go...
--Ken
--
Ken R. Dye				an optimist is a guy		 |
Lachman Technology, Inc., Chicago	that has never had		 |
(708) 505-9555 x341			much experience			 |
dye@lachman.com							archy	 |
From: kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch (kevinh)
Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...
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In article <C5H7qz.KyA@boi.hp.com>, wesf@boi.hp.com (Wes Fujii) writes:
|> Brian LaRose (larose@austin.cs.utk.edu) wrote:
|>
|> : I never saw the guy.  The police said they thought the motive was to
|> : hit the car, have us STOP to check out the damage, and then JUMP US,
|> : and take the truck.
|> :
|> : PLEASE BE AWARE OF FOLKS.  AND FOR YOUR OWN GOOD, PLEASE DON'T STOP!!!!
|>
|> Sad.  This sort of thing is on the rise across the country.  South Florida
|> is getting a lot of national TV coverage on the subject where vacationers
|> are being attacked (and some killed) in schemes similar to this.
Make that worldwide coverage. I know numerous people who were planning
holidays to the Florida, and have now chosen another (non-US)
destination. You expect this sort of thing, perhaps, in third world
countries - but not the US!
kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch
From: david@ganglion.ann-arbor.mi.us (David Hwang)
Subject: Re: SHO and SC
Organization: D.J. Services
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In article <5214@unisql.UUCP> wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:
>In article <chrissC587qB.D1B@netcom.com> chriss@netcom.com (Chris Silvester) writes:
>
>>WAGON, which I have heard is somehow slightly faster than the Coupe.
>
>	Wagon has an automatic, it's slower.
>
Could be due to the rear-end ratio also.
Usually automatics have different rear-ends than manuals, from
my limited experience anyways.
David
>
>
--
David W. Hwang, M.D.           //    University of Michigan Medical School
1050 Wall Street, Suite 10C   //           Telephone: 313/663-5557
Ann Arbor, Michigan 48105    //    Internet: david@ganglion.ann-arbor.mi.us
From: thwang@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Tommy Hwang)
Subject: The Kuebelwagen??!!
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
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Sorry for the mis-spelling, but I forgot how to spell it after
my series of exams and NO-on hand reference here.
Is it still possible to get those cute WWII VW Jeep-wanna-be's?
A replica would be great I think.
-TKH '93
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From: etjet@levels.unisa.edu.au
Subject: Aussie needs info on car shows
Reply-To: johnt@spri.levels.unisa.edu.au
Organization: University of South Australia
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Hi from Australia,
I am a car enthusiast in Australia.
I am particularly interested in American Muscle cars of the
1960s and 1970s. ALL MAKES: AMC, Ford, Chrysler/Mopar, GM.
I will be in the USA for 6 weeks from May 2nd to -June 14 1993.
Chicago: Sun May 2 -Thursday May 6
Denver:  Friday May 7 - Sunday May 9
Austin, Texas: Monday May 10- Friday May 21
Oklahoma City: Friday May 21 - Monday May 24
Anaheim, California: Tuesday May 25-Thursday May 27
Las Vegas, Nevada:  Friday May 28- Sunday May 30
Grand Canion, Monday May 31 - Tuesday June 1
Las Angeles, San Diego and vicinity: Wednesday June 3-Sunday June 6 June
South Lake Tahoe, Cal: Sunday June 6 - Wednesday June 9
Reno: Thursday June 10
San Fransisco: Thursday June 10 - Sunday June 13
I was wondering if anyone could send me any information of
car shows, swap meets, drag meets, model car shows etc. during this period.
Can anybody tell me when the Pomona Swap meet is on this year?
Also, any places to visit (eg. car museums, private collections,
your collection? etc. Any bit of information is appreciated!
I am also interested in finding some model cars (scale Models).
I am intersted in 1968-1974 AMC cars. Of particular interest is:
1968-1970 AMX
1968-1974 Javelin
1969 SCRAMBLER
1970 Rebel Machine
and others
If you have any kits, plastics, diecast etc and are interested in selling them,
tell me, I will be interested.
I can also send/bring you models of Australian High performance cars if
you are interested.
Please reply by email to: johnt@spri.levels.unisa.edu.au
Thanks,
John Tsimbinos
From: etjet@levels.unisa.edu.au
Subject: Aussie needs info on USA car shows/swap meets
Reply-To: johnt@spri.levels.unisa.edu.au
Organization: University of South Australia
Lines: 54
Hi from Australia,
I am a car enthusiast in Australia.
I am particularly interested in American Muscle cars of the
1960s and 1970s. ALL MAKES: AMC, Ford, Chrysler/Mopar, GM.
I will be in the USA for 6 weeks from May 2nd to -June 14 1993.
Chicago: Sun May 2 -Thursday May 6
Denver:  Friday May 7 - Sunday May 9
Austin, Texas: Monday May 10- Friday May 21
Oklahoma City: Friday May 21 - Monday May 24
Anaheim, California: Tuesday May 25-Thursday May 27
Las Vegas, Nevada:  Friday May 28- Sunday May 30
Grand Canion, Monday May 31 - Tuesday June 1
Las Angeles, San Diego and vicinity: Wednesday June 3-Sunday June 6 June
South Lake Tahoe, Cal: Sunday June 6 - Wednesday June 9
Reno: Thursday June 10
San Fransisco: Thursday June 10 - Sunday June 13
I was wondering if anyone could send me any information of
car shows, swap meets, drag meets, model car shows etc. during this period.
Can anybody tell me when the Pomona Swap meet is on this year?
Also, any places to visit (eg. car museums, private collections,
your collection? etc. Any bit of information is appreciated!
I am also interested in finding some model cars (scale Models).
I am intersted in 1968-1974 AMC cars. Of particular interest is:
1968-1970 AMX
1968-1974 Javelin
1969 SCRAMBLER
1970 Rebel Machine
and others
If you have any kits, plastics, diecast etc and are interested in selling them,
tell me, I will be interested.
I can also send/bring you models of Australian High performance cars if
you are interested.
Please reply by email to: johnt@spri.levels.unisa.edu.au
Thanks,
John Tsimbinos
From: Eric_Thomas@mindlink.bc.ca (Eric Thomas)
Subject: 1962 thunderbird
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Lines: 4
I just bought a 1962 T-BIRD and would like any info on a club
in and around the the B.C. coast.
Eric Thomas
From: bjones@TrentU.CA (NAME)
Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...
Reply-To: bjones@TrentU.CA
Organization: Trent University, Peterborough
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In article <1993Apr16.091938.6821@hasler.ascom.ch>, kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch (kevinh) writes:
>
>In article <C5H7qz.KyA@boi.hp.com>, wesf@boi.hp.com (Wes Fujii) writes:
>|> Brian LaRose (larose@austin.cs.utk.edu) wrote:
>|>
>|> : I never saw the guy.  The police said they thought the motive was to
>|> : hit the car, have us STOP to check out the damage, and then JUMP US,
>|> : and take the truck.
>|> :
>|> : PLEASE BE AWARE OF FOLKS.  AND FOR YOUR OWN GOOD, PLEASE DON'T STOP!!!!
>|>
>|> Sad.  This sort of thing is on the rise across the country.  South Florida
>|> is getting a lot of national TV coverage on the subject where vacationers
>|> are being attacked (and some killed) in schemes similar to this.
>
>Make that worldwide coverage. I know numerous people who were planning
>holidays to the Florida, and have now chosen another (non-US)
>destination. You expect this sort of thing, perhaps, in third world
>countries - but not the US!
>In response to this and other articles that have been written on this
subject, I would like to say that it is not just a US problem.  In southern
Ontario last summer there were several instances along the 401 where people
(mainly truckers) were shot at from overpasses.  There are many sick people
out there and it makes you wonder what the worlds coming to.
>kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch
From: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM (Dave Bernard)
Subject: Re: JEEP WRANGLER - OPINI
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In article 4DB@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu, mobasser@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu (Bijan Mobasseri) writes:
>How do I square this with a respectable resale value?  Easy- if it's expensive
> to buy new, it's gonna be expensive to buy used.
>===============================
>A patently false statement. Try this logic on an Alfa 164. In fact,
>marketplace has a wonderufl mechanism to "adjust" the value of the cars that
>are overpriced by the manufacturer. If it is expensive to buy new it is NOT
>necessarily expnesive to buy used. In fact, it could be real cheap to buy
>used, depending what that car is of course. Note that I do not question your
>statements on the reliability of Wrangler. I have never owned one, driven one
>or been in one (I do love to have one though!).
What I don't understand is why
>this apparent neglect of quality for so many years has not filtered down into
>the used market.Is Jeep so intoxicating, so irresistable and so seductive as
>to make its purchase a fatal attraction?.
>
>Bijan
Yep.  They are popular vehicles.  You don't see a lot of previous model year
ones sitting on dealer's lots for any lenghth of time after the new ones are
out.  The things sell, they are popular.
Because they are popular, and high-priced new, they are high price used, very
simple.
I knew they were overpriced when I bought it... I knew they had a terrible
reliability record when I bought it.  But I didn't expect anything like I
got, especially with a dealer network unable to repair it.  Personal experience
has quickly cured me of my infatuation with the machine.
Dave
From: dalibor@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Stefan Dalibor)
Subject: Re: Too fast
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jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes:
>There are a few things to keep in mind about Europe, since you brought
>it up.  My Autobahn knowledge is admittedly second-hand, but I believe
>the following to be true:
My knowledge about driving in the U.S. is also second-hand, but I think I can
correct your statements about our Autobahn:
>1. Drivers are much better disciplined in Europe than they are here.
Oh yeah, that would be paradise... in fact, you can forget it. From all I've
heard from my U.S. relatives, drivers esp. here in Germany are much more agg-
ressive, but not disciplined. One of my relatives, a L.A. resident, hired a car
at the Nuernberg airport and went about 18 miles to our home. He said then that
he grew about 1 year older during this ride and swore he'd never drive a car in
Germany again (this was in 1982 and he kept his promise - the situation now is
even worse as effect of the increased volume of traffic).
What you mean by `better disciplined' should perhaps be considered `cautious due
to fear':
When driving around here, you always *have* to take into consideration that the
majority of the other drivers absolutely relies on you: They expect that nobody
fails or sleeps; many of them exploit this by driving as fast as their car can
go (of course only where that is allowed, you might think - dream on :).
So any mistake you make is a very high risk to your health - and if you're ex-
posed to such a situation from your very first day as a driver, you learn to
handle it - or you lose...
That's the way I and most people I know experience our traffic situation -
whether you think this is pleasant or efficient is up to you; I think we handle
a very high volume of traffic and that at high speeds with modest (compared to
the volume) and decreasing rates of lethal accidents - OTOH, more and more
people (esp. women) dislike driving (because they feel overtaxed and threatened)
and each accident is one accident too much.
>2. The roads comprising the Autobahn are much better designed than
>   they are here, and usually include animal fences.  This makes them
>   far more predictable than most US highways.
Better designed and maintained, may be - but animal fences are very rare. Auto-
bahnen and many other streets have guard-rails (I hope that's the right word -
a plank made from thick steel sheet fixed on uprights; it's about 2 feet high);
those guard-rails are designed for keeping vehicles on the road. Smaller animals
can crawl under the plank, bigger ones can easily jump over it. The point is
that esp. larger animals are very rare in Germany; they tend also to be very
timid. Accidents caused by animals are a neglegible danger.
>3. Not all of Europe is the Autobahn.  Most places in Europe have
>   speed limits that aren't out-of-line with what we used to have in
>   the US -- if my friends weren't lying to me they're typically not
>   much higher than 120km/h.
You're right (there are speed linits even on the major part of the Autobahn) -
but the attitude towards driving (see above) seems to be very similar to that
in Germany (I've been in France, Switzerland, Italy, Austria, Spain, Belgium,
the Netherlands) - besides that, you really can't rely on the residents abiding
the local speed limits. I've got quite a lot of practise (~120k miles) and I'm
used to travel at 130 mph (FYI, with a car even smaller than a rabbit), but I
consider driving on the highways round Paris or Milano really a thrill...
>I strongly suspect you won't find a lot of Rabbit owners doing 120mph
>(nearly 200km/h) on the Autobahn, but I could be wrong. ...
Sorry, but you'll find quite a lot rabbit-class-car (or even smaller, mine is a
Peugeot 205) owners going that fast; small cars with much HP are very `hip' over
here - and most people buying such cars aren't afraid to let them run.
>                                                      ...  Some people
>have no respect for their own lives.
I disagree; the size or weight of a car is rather irrelevant. Formula-1 cars
weigh less than 700 kg and the drivers have a chance to survive accidents at
130 mph or higher - OTOH when crashing against a solid object at 130 mph,
it makes no difference whether you sit in a Porsche, a Mercedes, a tank or on
a bicycle: Your're dead.
Bye,
Stefan
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From: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM (Dave Bernard)
Subject: Re: Ad said Nissan Altima best seller?
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>I too was puzzled by this obvious untruth. What I think is going on is that
>Nissan claims that the Altima is "the best selling new car namelplate in
>the US" (I think I have this near verbatim). Lee Iaccoca's statistics
>dept. would have been proud of that sentence.
Note that the Corolla/Prism are also new designs... but hey are not new
"nameplates."  I guess Nissan doesn't even sell as many Altimas as
Toyota does Corollas, or there would be no "nameplate" qualifier.
From: sjp@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Steve Phillips)
Subject: Re: SUPER MEGA AUTOMOBILE SIGHTING(s)!!!!! Exotics together!
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Give out the address, I'll drive by and take a look myself, then post.
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Atlanta, Ga.
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From: jackd@sad.hp.com (Jack Dauler)
Subject: Re: Tires for Ford Ranger Pickup
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I have had good luck with my Ranger and Yokohama 371 S+M tires.
The tires have been wearing well and even the few times i have hauled
heavy loads they have done well.
From: damelio@progress.COM (Stephen D'Amelio)
Subject: Re: Ford and the automobile
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rwong@eis.calstate.edu (Russel Wong) writes:
>Hello, my name is Russell Wong and I am doing a research project on Henry
>Ford and his automobile.  I need information on whether Ford is
>partially responsible for all of the car accidents
Ya, he cut me off on 128 the other day, he drives like a crazy person.
I'd have to say he's responsible for most accidents, they really should
pull his licence.
-Steve
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From: chuck@eos.ncsu.edu (Chuck Kesler)
Subject: Re: Ford Probe - Opinions? (centered around the GT)
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In article <1993Apr20.002651.20797@sco.com> nathanp@sco.COM (Nathan) writes:
>
>"Jeremy G. Mereness" <zonker+@CMU.EDU> says:
>>
>>Can anyone offer any opinions of the Ford Probe... ala how they do in
>>the long run, repair records, reliability, mileage, etc?
>>
>>I am fixing to buy a car in the next few months aiming toward something
>>a little bigger than a typical small car and with a little more power. I
>>am considering the MX-6, Probe, Accord, Corolla, and the 240SX.
...
>I bought a '93 Probe GT with the PEP 263A last July (now at 9500 miles)
>after debating over the Sentra SE-R/NX2000, MX6, MR-2, Stealth, Prelude,
>and Celica.
...
>The car design is different than earlier years, so it's too early to see its
>reliability so far.  For what it's worth, my comments:
>
>My dislikes:
>Shutting door with windows up from inside rarely makes good wind seal.
Some other owners on the ford-probe@world.std.com mailing list have commented
about this problem, but I haven't seen it happen on my 3 month old
'93 Probe GT.  I think this may be something that Ford has corrected since
the initial batch of cars.  Also, someone said that Ford has issued a
service bulletin to inform dealers about how to correct this problem, so you
may be able to get your dealer to fix it.
>Headlights have "stuck" up a few times (weather?)
>air conditioning broke ~4000 miles (pressure cycling switch)
>condensation around rear washer fluid container doesn't drain completely.
Haven't seen any of these problems, nor have I seen these mentioned on the
mailing list, so these might just be having bad luck with these.
>crammed engine; little hope for do-it-yourselfers (typical)
Definitely!
>parts somewhat more expensive than normal Ford parts
>underside plastic doesn't like sharp driveways and speedbumps (typical).
>assembly gripes: tape on radiator, screw fell out of dash, seat seams not
>stitched properly.  Hopefully just a fluke.
No problems like these either.  I haven't been able to find any obvious
places where they screwed up.
>Ford only gives 1 key with the car.  C'mon Ford, spend an extra few pennies!
Hmmm!  I got two keys with my car.  Something tells me you got stiffed by
your dealer on this.  (Actually, if you count the "credit card" key that
came in the owner's binder, I got 3 keys, but since the credit card key
doesn't have any teeth cut in it yet, I guess I won't count it. :-))
>Rear hatch has no padding on corners when up.  I'm waiting for the day when
>I bash my head on the corner.
>horn buttons behind air bag in spokes and not in center (personal preference)
The latter is probably because of the air bag.  It's pretty much takes up
all the space where you'd expect to find the horn.
Speaking of the horn, I was surprised to find that the Probe comes with one
of those nice 'merican sounding horns instead of the Japanese sounding kind.
The previous Probes had Japanese horns.
>Tires fling dirt/mud onto side of car
Yeah, not very badly, but enough to be annoying sometimes.
>My Likes:
>engine (design/valves/sounds/smoothness/power/mileage/torque) -- definitely #1
>handling (very good for FWD; understeer only at limits)
>transmission (the 5 speed is a must)
>usable instrumentation (lovely readable analog everywhere)
>Very little torque steer at full power (much better than the '90 SHO I drive)
>stability at 100+mph (high gearing though)
>low cowl (good visibility in front)
>Heated outside mirrors (nice in fog, never tested in freezing weather)
>ABS/Air bag (see above)
>rear seats fold down (I have few rear seat passengers so a trunk not important)
>No shake/rattle noises when going over bumps/potholes (still!)
>Tires: 225/55VR16 Goodyear Eagles (70% left; hoping for 30K :-)
I agree strongly with all of the above, especially about the engine.  The
interior is very, very nice too.  Very pleasing to the eye, and ergonomically
sound.
...
>I drive it to and from work
>each day on relatively smooth roads, and most noticable thing is that the
>Probe's suspension doesn't like potholes.  When you test drive one, find a
>potholed road somewhere around town and see if the jarring you get is
>tolerable.
Yes, this car's stiff suspension isn't for everyone.  I personally like it,
but if you find it a little harsh but otherwise like the car, I'd strongly
suggest looking into the MX-6.
>If you have 3+ passengers, by all means bring them along too.  They'll find
>that they have no room in the back and you'll find that the car rides
>differently (if that's "better" is up to you).
The problem with the back seat is that there's no leg room.  Plenty of
head room, though.  Shorter people fit back there without any complaints,
so long as the seat they are sitting behind is pulled forward a bit to
give them a place to put their feet.
>Also, there's a lot of glass
>around you which I wasn't expecting; the temperature inside the car gets pretty
>hot in the summer.  My back seat passengers (now very few) complain about
>the lack of ventilation; you may want to consider that when combined with
>the heat.
The power moonroof can greatly improve the ventilation throughout the car. :-)
I really enjoy the moonroof, by the way, but then I've always been a sucker
for open air driving.  No leakage problems or anything like that...yet!
>I've heard that the exhaust system has trouble, but mine works fine.
I haven't heard about this one.  I know that some of the very early Probes
('89 and maybe '90) had problems with prematurely rusting mufflers (which
Ford will replace at no charge), but I haven't heard about anything like
this concerning the '93 Probes.
I haven't had any real trouble with this car outside of a CV joint boot
that was leaking, but the dealer took care of that promptly, and even
gave me a free rental car for the day and a half that I was without my
car.  I was quite happy with the way they handled...especially considering
that I was expecting the worst from them!
From what I've heard, it sounds like Ford/Mazda had some QC problems with
the Probe (and probably MX-6) when they first went into production, but
I think these problems have mostly been corrected at this point.  That's
almost always to be expected with a completely new car like this, though.
Hope this helps,
-chuck-
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From: kvk@questor.sw.stratus.com (Ken Koellner)
Subject: Sticky Lock on Tailgate
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My 1988 Toyota 4Runner has a rolldown rear window with a keylock
switch.  It sticky on me.  Yesterday it was tough to get the
key to work and it also happened to stick on in the up direction
so the stalled motor was powered all night killing the battery.
I'd like to try to lubricate the lock switch. What should I lubricate
the lock with?
email please,
thanx, Ken.
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From: etxmst@sta.ericsson.se (Markus Strobl 98121)
Subject: Renting from Alamo
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Hello netters!
I'm visiting the US (I'm from Sweden) in August. I will probably rent a Chevy
Beretta from Alamo. I've been quoted $225 for a week/ $54 for additional days.
This would include free driving distance, but not local taxes (Baltimore).
They also told me all insurance thats necessary is included, but I doubt that,
'cause a friend rented a car last year and it turned out he needed a lot more
insurance than what's included in the base price. But on the other hand he didn't
rent it from Alamo.
Does anyone have some info on this?
Is $225 a rip-off?
Probability that I'll be needing more insurance?
Is the beretta a good rental car?
Thanx
Markus
From: jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost)
Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time
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nancy@hayduke (Nancy Feagans) writes:
>Ashtrays and cigarette lighters.  These should be an *option*.
GM, at least, is heading in that direction.  One of the post-sale
questions they asked me was if I'd like the choice of a cigarette
liter or an accessory plug, and another whether I'd like the choice of
an ashtray or a cup holder.
The '93 Geo Storms have the cigarette lighter vs accessory plug option
(which did not exist in the '92 I bought) -- I'm not sure about the
ash tray vs cup holder.  It's a step in the right direction.
The ashtray does make a convenient change-holder so it's not
completely useless.
jim frost
jimf@centerline.com
From: markm@bigfoot.sps.mot.com (Mark Monninger)
Subject: Re: No-Haggle Deals...Save $$???
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You can be sure they wouldn't do it if it wasn't to their advantage.
Mark
From: jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen)
Subject: Re: Ford Probe - Opinions? (centered around the GT)
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In article <1993Apr20.124228.5357@ncsu.edu> chuck@eos.ncsu.edu (Chuck Kesler) writes:
>>Rear hatch has no padding on corners when up.  I'm waiting for the day when
>>I bash my head on the corner.
>>horn buttons behind air bag in spokes and not in center (personal preference)
>
>The latter is probably because of the air bag.  It's pretty much takes up
>all the space where you'd expect to find the horn.
>
All Toyotas have airbags with a real horn. Come on, how hard can it
be to put a little pressure plate there. I hope Toyota doesn't follow
everyone else and make the horns little buttons that I wouldn't want
to fumble for.
john
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From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Subject: Re: It's a rush... (was Re: Too fast)
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In article <C5r43y.F0D@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> marshatt@feserve.cc.purdue.edu (Zauberer) writes:
>I guess I wasn't clear enough here. I said the roads WERE designed for
>speeds of 80 or so and still be safe. The current 55-65 will add a saftey
>margin.
They were designed for speeds of upwards of 80 - I forget the
exact spec - but for military vehicles.  That's 80 in a 1958 Dodge
Powerwagon.  Not 80 in a 1993 Ford Taurus.
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In article <C5r66A.6rB@srgenprp.sr.hp.com> almanb@sr.hp.com (Bob Alman) writes:
>          "hose"  h-o-s-e
Dork.  d-o-r-k.
From: grahamt@phantom.gatech.edu (Graham E. Thomas)
Subject: SUPER MEGA AUTOMOBILE SIGHTING(s)!!!!! Exotics together!
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Alright, beat this automobile sighting.
Driving along just a hair north of Atlanta, I noticed an old, run down
former car dealership which appeared to deal with, and repair, older
rare or exotic foreign sports cars. I saw:
Ford GT-40 (!), the famous model from Ford, that seemed to win most of
its races in the late 60s, including Le-Mans 4 or 6 times.
Two Jensen Interceptors, one a convertable, one a hatchback?
Porsche 911 (boring compared to the rest)
THREE Ferarries, a Mondial, a 308 prepared for racing, and a red 60s model
that I couldn't identify.
And at the bottom, a late 70s MG convertable.
Outside there was a rotting Rover 3500 saloon, which was never regularly
sold in the U.S.
And in the showroom, there was a small italian body, either an Alpha Romeo
or a Lancia. It was about the size of an Austin Mini.
The trunklid was missing, exposing a boot with a voltage regulator
in the upper left corner of the wall, and a chunk of metal removed from
the floor on the right hand side as if something would leave the trunk
and go to the outside from here.
The taillights looked like they
would be the round type (if they were there). Does anyone know what the
make of this one is?
Certainly made my day...
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From: thatchh@hplsla.hp.com (Thatch Harvey)
Subject: Re: Mercury Capri Restrictions
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The restriction could have to do with the car being a convertible.
A lot of paronoid laws were passed concerning convertibles in the 80's.
These states may require greater rollover protection than the Capri affords.
Thatch Harvey
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If you want a summer without rain, you're in the wrong place. You must not
have been here a whole year yet. Keep the Rain-X handy my friend.
Thatch
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From: jfox@hooksett.East.Sun.COM (John Fox - SunExpress IR)
Subject: Re: It's a rush... (was Re: Too fast)
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In article 5276@unisql.UUCP, wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:
>In article <C5r43y.F0D@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> marshatt@feserve.cc.purdue.edu (Zauberer) writes:
>>I guess I wasn't clear enough here. I said the roads WERE designed for
>>speeds of 80 or so and still be safe. The current 55-65 will add a saftey
>>margin.
>
>	They were designed for speeds of upwards of 80 - I forget the
>exact spec - but for military vehicles.  That's 80 in a 1958 Dodge
>Powerwagon.  Not 80 in a 1993 Ford Taurus.
>
>
>
>
Ah yes, the 58 Powerwagon. Now there was a vehicle that today's cars can't
touch in terms of high speed road holding ability! :-)
From: grahamt@phantom.gatech.edu (Graham E. Thomas)
Subject: Re: BLAST to the past!
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amh2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ALOIS M. HIMSL) writes:
>be worthwhile?  Or how about something like the old MGB with new technology?
>Just think about it - the old style with upgraded safety features and perhaps a
>natural gas operated engine for less than 10K. I think it would go over well.
>What is your opinion??????
>Al H
Well, the MGB is currently in production for the English market, built
by Rover. It now has a V8, improved suspention, and a slightly
updated body. Too bad it's only available in GB and would set one
of us back about $42,000+.
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Subject: Re: 300ZX or SC300???
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>ip02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Danny Phornprapha) writes:
>>I'm getting a car in the near future.  I've narrow it down to 300ZX and SC300.
>>Which might be a better choice?
>>Thanks for your opnion,
>>Danny
>I've been asking myself this same question for the past year, so, if/when
>you find out, would you please share the magistic answer with me..
>The way I see it right now, work twice as hard so you can have both.
>cheers :)
>Issa
my suggestion is: why not work twice as hard (like issa
suggested above) then get acura nsx?! :) enjoy. /seb
From: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade)
Subject: Re: '93 Grand Am (4 cyl)
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
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In article <HOLCOMB.93Apr19073907@wgermany.ctron.com> holcomb@ctron.com (Edgar W. Ii Holcomb) writes:
>In article <Apr.18.12.24.26.1993.19337@remus.rutgers.edu> wilmott@remus.rutgers.edu (ray wilmott) writes:
>
>   Hi all. A while back I was asking for info about a few different
>   models, the Grand Am being one of them. Response was generally
>   favorable; one thing often repeated was "go for the V6 for some
>   real power". Point well taken, but...does anybody have any input
>   on the 4 cylinders (both the standard OHC, and the "Quad 4")?
>Ray,
>
>The High-Output Quad 4 delivers 175 hp (185 for the WF41 Quad 4), whereas
>the 3.1L V6 offered in the Grand Am delivers 140 hp.  I own a Beretta GTZ
ooppss...the v6 in the grand am is the 3.3. litre, not the 3.1.  the 3.3 is
a downsized version of buicks 3.8 litre v6.  the 3.1 v6 goes in the beretta
and corsica.
From: ajg1678@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: Buick heater controls
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I had the exactly same problem with my '70 Lesabre. It was also from Cal.     What I did was go to the local junkyard and pick up a diaphragm from a '68      Lesabre with the same heater set up.  It worked for me, but a little bit slow   to change from vents to defogger.  Better than nothing!
From: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade)
Subject: Re: Improvements in Automatic Transmissions
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
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In article <1qugvu$ai8@quad.wfunet.wfu.edu> hagenjd@wfu.edu (Jeff Hagen) writes:
>
>Thanx to all those who responded, particularly those "never driven an XXX
>but here's what it's like:" guys...
>
>OK, we all know that new-age AT's are great in traffic, and do a satisfactory
>job in acceleration when you keep your foot buried in the carpet.
>
>My question regards downshifting.  NOT downshifting to pass (AT's are
>good at this now), but manually moving the lever to 3, 2, or 1 at a point
>where you would downshift a manual-- e.g. approaching a red light, or a
>curve, or just tooling around a parking lot in 1st or 2nd w/o shifting.
>This is why I'm still a Manual-Trans Bigot-- the downshifting for
>deceleration seems so natural.  When I try this in an automatic, the
>tranny doesn't seem to understand what I want.
>
>Addendum-- isn't it great, after downshifting while approaching that
>red light, when the light goes green, and you're already on-cam
>(or the turbo's already spooled up!) -- zippppppppppp!
>
>Hagen.  (hagenjd@ac.wfu.edu)
>
i have a grand am with auto and quad4.  around the gear selector there is a
plastic strip which covers the space so you can't see inside.  anyway...i took
the cover off and cut the end of this long strip to a specific length, the
strip curls up into a cirlce at one end inside.  anyway, by doing this the
strip can't feed into the lip that circles it,,,,so...i can push button, pull
down and the gear shifter will only go back to 2 from drive,,,no accidental
hitting first.  i drive around town in 2 to keep the revs up.  shift to drive
above 50 and pull down to 2 when coming up to lights..if i want.  if i am
eating food...i drive in drive.  there are probably aftermarket shift kits
that will accomplish the same thing.  porsche's tip-tronic automatic can be
driven like an auto...or put into +/- mode.  tip up...upshift...tip down...
downshift.  of course there is an override so you don't redline the engine.
From: chris1@donner.cc.bellcore.com (ross,christina l)
Subject: Re: BRAINDEAD Drivers Who Don't Look Ahead--
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: usa
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In article <9595@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM>, jitloke@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Jit-Loke Lim) writes:
> >In article <1993Apr14.140642.19875@cbnewsd.cb.att.com> hhm@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (herschel.h.mayo) writes:
> >anybody is going anywhere. So, I block the would-be passers. Not only for my own
> >good , but theirs as well even though they are often too stupid to realize it.
>
> Ah, we are looking for good people just like you. We are a very concerned
> group of citizens who are absolutely disgusted at the way that the majority
> of drivers simply disobey traffic rules like going above the speed limit,
> passing on our right, and riding our tails, while all the while we respectfully
> abide by the rules of this great country and maintain the mandated speed
> limits with our calibrated, certified cruise controls, while keeping the
> respectful 1.5 car length distance/10 mph speed. How many times have you been
> ticked off by some moron who jumps ahead in the (5.5 * 1.5)8.25 car lengths
> that you have left between you and the vehicle ahead of you while driving
> 55 mph? Finally you have an option. We are a totally member supported group
> that perform functions for our own good, for the good of this great country  but MOST of all for those unfortunate ones that are too stupid to realize it,
> bless their souls. For a paltry $10, you can join Citizens for Rationally
> Advanced Piloting(C.R.A.P), a non-profit, members only, society. But, but,but,
> there is a slight hitch, the initiation rite. To be a full fledged member of
> this exclusive club, you must proof that you are able to be in the fast lane of
> the busiest interstate in your area, keep the correct 1.5 car lenth/10 mph speedand I know this can be difficult with those morons around, NOT let anybody pass
> you, not in the next lane, not in the slow lane, not in the breakdown lane,
> not NOWHERE. For a complete list of acceptable interstates and times, send $5.
> And by the way, over 90% of our members are highly regarded attorneys in the
> auto field and they are completely, absolutely positively in the business ONLY
> to serve your best interests. As a testament to their virtues, they will give
> members 90% off the initial consultation fee. Feel free to drop me a line at
> your earliest convenience and remember, only SPEED kills!
>
> Jit
>
>
>
>
Of course you are a bunch of arrogant lawyers who know whats best for the
rest of us. You are doing such a wonderful job with our judicial system,
getting all the criminals off, I bow to your superior intellect. Not to
mention the fees you collect from us poor slobs who get tickets from
speeding State Police officers, so you can soak is when we go to court.
I just love lawyer jokes! Don't you?
C.
From: keys@starchild.ncsl.nist.gov (Lawrence B. Keys)
Subject: Re: Alarm systems: are they worthwhile?
Organization: National Institute of Standards & Technology
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In article <1993Apr19.164451.3744@news.eng.convex.com> dodson@convex.COM (Dave Dodson) writes:
>Is it worthwhile to get an alarm system on a new car?
Although, others have in the past and will continue to disagree
i think that it is worthwhile to get an alarm.
>What features are important?
I think that it is important to protect your trunk, engine bay, all
doors.  I'd get flashing lights, LED's mounted on the drivers and
passenger door and a relay to disable engine operation. Toss in
a glass break sensor, and shock sensor. Door lock and unlock,
two remotes and panic feature are also nice to have.
Most important is where you have the installation done!  Some places
may cost a little more, but a poorly installed alarm (no matter how
much it cost) will be a major burden.
>What features are unimportant?
IMO, things like engine starters, voice alarms, window/sunroof open
and close, and most other conveniences.
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Dave Dodson		                             dodson@convex.com
>Convex Computer Corporation      Richardson, Texas      (214) 497-4234
.
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From: keys@starchild.ncsl.nist.gov (Lawrence B. Keys)
Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time
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In article <34544@oasys.dt.navy.mil> glouie@oasys.dt.navy.mil (George Louie) writes:
>In rec.autos, nancy@hayduke (Nancy Feagans) writes:
>>Ashtrays and cigarette lighters.  These should be an *option*.
>
>Why make it an option.  You can use the ashtray to store coins and other
>small things which come in handy. Use the cigarette lighter as an electrical
>outlet for all types of handy gadgets (CD players, vacuum cleaners,
>flashlights, etc.)  I don't want to pay extra for these things and if
>you don't use them, they don't hurt you.
I use the ashtray to keep change and other items in. I converted the
cigarette lighter into a volume control knob for my in trunk subwoofer!
>
>
>George
>>--
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From: rfelix@netcom.com (Robbie Felix)
Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...
Keywords: brick, rock,  danger, gun, violent, teenagers
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In article <19APR199316162857@erich.triumf.ca> music@erich.triumf.ca (FRED W. BACH) writes:
>In article <C5r1Iy.8v0@SSD.intel.com>, jrowell@ssd.intel.com (Janet Rowell)
> writes...
>#>Could we plase cease this discussion.  I fail to see why people feel the need
>#>to expound upon this issue for days and days on end.  These areas are not
>#> meant for this type of discussion.  If you feel the need to do such things,
>#> please take your thought elsewhere.  Thanks.
>#
>   Exactly my point.  There is a lot of hostility to, and from, teenagers.
>
>   If you follow the news for the northwest USA, you will have heard that a
> group of 20-year old boys (barely out of the teens, certainly their outlook
> was developed during their teens) just shot and killed an innocent little
> girl riding in a car in the Seattle area when her mother (who was driving)
> honked her horn at the car with the boys in it.  This is really upsetting
> and makes my stomach turn as it would any parent's.   Doesn't your heart
> just go out to that poor mother?
>   Teenagers both drive cars and are involved in automotive vandalism and
> crime.  Maybe someone on this newsgroup has had specific experience in
> dealing with violent teenage offenders like these kids are.  At the same
It seems sad that people lose all perspective when they here about a
case of violence by teenagers...
For a little perspective:
How about the thousands of kind teenagers who volunteer at local
agencies to help children, seniors, the homeless?
Did you read about all the kids at Stanford who spent their spring
breaks helping out in inner city areas? What about the hundreds of
volunteers ( teenagers and others) who worked to clean up the mess
after the Rodney King riots in LA?
Have you gone to your local high school play recently? Attended the
school orchestra performances? Have you seen how many kids volunteer
to pick up trash, plant trees, do walk-a-thons? How many kids have
tried to sell you stuff to benefit organizations they belong to? How
many girl scout cookies have you bought? How many chocolate bars for
good causes?
The media picks up on all the anomalies, the sensational...
What about the wonderful teenagers all over the place who work hard at
school, get good grades, go to college (or to work) and make a real
contribution to our society?
All humans are teenagers at some time in their lives! Mother Theresa
was a teenager and so was Geoffrey Dahmer.
It is really sad to see so many people who buy the sensational
reporting of the media as some kind of reflection of the world today!
It is a reflection of what is happening on the outer fringes of our
society and nothing more...
rf
From: jyow@desire.wright.edu
Subject: Re: Alarm systems: are they worthwhile?
Distribution: usa
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In article <1993Apr19.164451.3744@news.eng.convex.com>, Dave Dodson <dodson@convex.COM> writes:
> Is it worthwhile to get an alarm system on a new car?
>
> What features are important?
>
> What features are unimportant?
That is a question that can only be answered by yourself and where you live.
If you live in a place where crime is apparent, then it might be a good idea to
get one simply as a deterrent.  However, if a professional thief wants your
vehicle, its as good as gone no matter what you do.  But to slow down any
thieves it would be a good idea to get the basic options.  That would be:
1)	ignition kill or fuel cut-off
2)	a flashing red LED
These two are basic to a decent alarm system.
To slow down the criminal some more, get a steering wheel lock.
That should be sufficient to persuade the thief to find an easier target.
But, then there's always car-jacking.
Why is life so confusing?
I hope I helped somewhat.
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Jason Yow				Human Factors Psychology Program
Wright State University, Dayton, OH	E-mail: jyow@desire.wright.edu
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From: ljbartel@naomi.b23b.ingr.com (Les Bartel)
Subject: Fast idle on 88 Ford Ranger
Reply-To: ljbartel@naomi.b23b.ingr.com
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It did it again.  This morning, my 88 Ford Ranger was idling at 10,000 RPM.
Ok, so I exaggerated a little, but it was idling very fast.  It has a 2
liter carburated engine in it, and no blipping of the throttle would
cause the idle to drop back to normal (I don't think the linkage is stuck).
What can I do to fix this problem?  This has been a problem from time to
time, but has straightened itself out - until now.  I don't have a tach,
but by gauging by the sound of the engine, it is idling about twice as fast
as it should be.  This is down from what it was idling at when I pulled up
at a stop light.
Many thanks for any suggestions.
- les
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From: jchen@wind.bellcore.com (Jason Chen)
Subject: Re: Ad said Nissan Altima best seller?
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I guess that makes Altima the most generic car in the US.
From: jchen@wind.bellcore.com (Jason Chen)
Subject: Re: No-Haggle Deals...Save $$???
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A local dealer is advertising "No negotiation necessary!"
Make you wonder...
From: nathanp@sco.COM (Nathan)
Subject: Re: Ford Probe - Opinions? (centered around the GT)
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation
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"Jeremy G. Mereness" <zonker+@CMU.EDU> says:
>
>Can anyone offer any opinions of the Ford Probe... ala how they do in
>the long run, repair records, reliability, mileage, etc?
>
>I am fixing to buy a car in the next few months aiming toward something
>a little bigger than a typical small car and with a little more power. I
>am considering the MX-6, Probe, Accord, Corolla, and the 240SX.
>
>The Probe is the youngest of the bunch, thus my interest in opinions.
>But every magazine and ratings book places it as an excellent value.
>BTW, the 240SX is rear-wheel drive and is due for a re-design for 1994.
>
>Thanks in Advance!
While I don't read normally read this group, I was looking for Valentine radar
information (sigh, maybe in the FAQ) and came across your posting..
I bought a '93 Probe GT with the PEP 263A last July (now at 9500 miles)
after debating over the Sentra SE-R/NX2000, MX6, MR-2, Stealth, Prelude,
and Celica.
Check this month's Consumer Reports for previous Probe records.
My criteria: a "fun" car with ABS, airbag, over 130hp, and less than $25K.
I thought about a turbo, but checking with insurance people ruled that out.
The Tri-Star cars (Eclipse/Talon/etc) were out since they don't have an air bag.
Ditto for the Mustang(also no ABS).
The SE-R/NX2000/M20 fell into the pocket-rocket category.  A good used car buy.
The MX-6 was almost there but rolled more than I liked.
I didn't like the Prelude dash/instrumentation at all.  Too weird for me.
The MR2 has a much smaller non-passenger space than I needed, so out that went.
The Celica was "ok" but underpowered when loaded with options (and somewhat
overpriced too) in non-turbo form.
I never considered the 240SX since it didn't have an airbag.  I did look at it
for its RWD virtues but that's it.  The Corolla never entered my mind.
I should have looked at the Mitsubishi VR4/Dodge Stealth more.
Since my list was exhausted, I bought the Probe.  :-)
The car design is different than earlier years, so it's too early to see its
reliability so far.  For what it's worth, my comments:
My dislikes:
Shutting door with windows up from inside rarely makes good wind seal.
Headlights have "stuck" up a few times (weather?)
air conditioning broke ~4000 miles (pressure cycling switch)
condensation around rear washer fluid container doesn't drain completely.
crammed engine; little hope for do-it-yourselfers (typical)
parts somewhat more expensive than normal Ford parts
underside plastic doesn't like sharp driveways and speedbumps (typical).
assembly gripes: tape on radiator, screw fell out of dash, seat seams not
stitched properly.  Hopefully just a fluke.
Ford only gives 1 key with the car.  C'mon Ford, spend an extra few pennies!
Rear hatch has no padding on corners when up.  I'm waiting for the day when
I bash my head on the corner.
horn buttons behind air bag in spokes and not in center (personal preference)
Tires fling dirt/mud onto side of car
My Likes:
engine (design/valves/sounds/smoothness/power/mileage/torque) -- definitely #1
handling (very good for FWD; understeer only at limits)
transmission (the 5 speed is a must)
usable instrumentation (lovely readable analog everywhere)
Very little torque steer at full power (much better than the '90 SHO I drive)
stability at 100+mph (high gearing though)
low cowl (good visibility in front)
Heated outside mirrors (nice in fog, never tested in freezing weather)
ABS/Air bag (see above)
rear seats fold down (I have few rear seat passengers so a trunk not important)
No shake/rattle noises when going over bumps/potholes (still!)
Tires: 225/55VR16 Goodyear Eagles (70% left; hoping for 30K :-)
As you can see, I'm primarily interested in the engine.  While it doesn't
have the uummmph of a big-liter car or the turbo rush, the big selling
point for me was the all-aluminum 24 value 2.5 liter engine.
The overall car is a good buy for the money.  That market segment hasn't changed
much since July (Prelude VTEC, Honda Del Sol??).  I drive it to and from work
each day on relatively smooth roads, and most noticable thing is that the
Probe's suspension doesn't like potholes.  When you test drive one, find a
potholed road somewhere around town and see if the jarring you get is tolerable.
If you have 3+ passengers, by all means bring them along too.  They'll find
that they have no room in the back and you'll find that the car rides
differently (if that's "better" is up to you).  Also, there's a lot of glass
around you which I wasn't expecting; the temperature inside the car gets pretty
hot in the summer.  My back seat passengers (now very few) complain about
the lack of ventilation; you may want to consider that when combined with
the heat.  I've heard that the exhaust system has trouble, but mine works fine.
Leather and the keyless entry system weren't available when I got the car so
I can't comment on them (I got the car before it was officially announced).
I prefer cloth to leather anyway.
I wouldn't want this car in the snow:  The suspension is too rough for the
inevitable surprise potholes, tires aren't meant for snow, and the seats assume
that you're not wearing lots of thick clothing.  Rain is much better:  water
generally beads off the windshield at freeway speed, the windshield wiper
controls are easy and understandable, and I barely hydroplaned once with the
Eagles (and I was really trying).
There is also a definite lack of cup holder/small storage places.  The GT
has map holders below the speakers in the door, but they're rigid plastic
that could fit two cassettes or CD's max.  The center console/storage bin/arm
rest has *1* cup holder and the back of the front seats have a cloth "pouch"
but that's it.  No change holders.  Quite a let-down from the SHO.
And the Probe is definitely not a people-mover car or an econo-box car!
Lastly, don't store wet car covers in the back.  The foam will soak the
water up and the result will *not* smell pleasant :-(.
Nathan
nathan@sco.com
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From: mgqlu@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Max Lu)
Subject: Re: Auto air conditioning without Freon
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
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We are working on gas-solid adsorption air-con system for auto applications.
In this kind of system, the energy for regenerating the adsorbent is from
the exhaust gas.  Anyone interested in this mail email me or follow up this
thread, we may have a discussion on prospects of this technology.
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From: vlasis@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (vlasis theodore)
Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida
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tobias@convex.com (Allen Tobias) writes:
> In article <1993Apr15.024246.8076@Virginia.EDU> ejv2j@Virginia.EDU ("Erik Vel
> >This happened about a year ago on the Washington DC Beltway.
> >Snot nosed drunken kids decided it would be really cool to
> >throw huge rocks down on cars from an overpass.  Four or five
> >cars were hit.  There were several serious injuries, and sadly
> >a small girl sitting in the front seat of one of them was struck
> >in the head by one of the larger rocks.  I don't recall if she
> >made it, but I think she was comatose for a month or so and
> >doctors weren't holding out hope that she'd live.
> >
> >What the hell is happening to this great country of ours?  I
> >can see boyhood pranks of peeing off of bridges and such, but
> >20 pound rocks??!  Has our society really stooped this low??
> >
> >Erik velapold
>
> Society, as we have known it, it coming apart at the seams! The basic reason
> is that human life has been devalued to the point were killing someone is
> "No Big Deal". Kid's see hundreds on murderous acts on TV, we can abort
> children on demand, and kill the sick and old at will. So why be surprised
> when some kids drop 20 lbs rocks and kill people. They don't care because the
> message they hear is "Life is Cheap"!
>
> AT
Well people fortunatly or unfortunatly ,
only the US is experiencing the devaluation of human life (among
developed nations).
I am an American but I was raised in Europe, where the worst thing that
can happen to somebody is get his car broken into, or have his pocket
picked by Slaves or Russian refugees.
Of cource there will be some nutcases, but thats extremely rare.
I.e. in Greece you can walk through any neighborhood at any time during
the night without even worrying.
In Germany , you can walk the sidewalks at 4.00 am and not even look
behind your back, at the sanitation crews that clean the streets to a
sparkling cleen.
Whoever of you have been there you know what I am saying.
I dont have any easy answers but if we as a nation do some selfcritisism
we might get somewhere.
Of course these postings sould be in soc.culture.US but if we reduce
crime here it 'll mean less car insurance rates ,thus we could spend
more money on modifing our cars. (Now my posting is rec.autos.tech
revelant).
Vlasis  Theodore
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From: vlasis@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (vlasis theodore)
Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida
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neilson@seoul.mpr.ca (Robert Neilson) writes:
> [sorry for the 0 auto content, but ... ]
>
> > That is why low-abiding citizens should have the power to protect themselve
> > and their property using deadly force if necessary anywhere a threat is
> > imminent.
> >
> > Steve Heracleous
>
> You do have the power Steve. You *can* do it. Why don't you? Why don't you
> go shoot some kids who are tossing rocks onto cars? Make sure you do a good
> job though - don't miss - 'cause like they have big rocks - and take it from
> me - those kids are mean.
Ditto,
I you dont do it yourself nobody, will.
Unless I am behind you, so both of us can shoot them bastards.
From: europa@tomcat.raleigh.ibm.com (Welch Bryan)
Subject: Re: Changing oil by self.
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In article <1993Apr15.222254.6651@rtfm.mlb.fl.us>, gwalker@rtfm.mlb.fl.us (Grayson Walker) writes:
|> Why crawl under the car at all? I have a machine I got for my boat that
|> pulls the oil out under suction through the dip stick tube. It does an
|> excellent job and by moving the suction tube around, you can get more
|> old oil out than by using the drain plug. I think I paid $25 at E&B Marine.
|> The oil goes into a steel 3 gal can - wait until it cools and decant into
|> your favorite device. I use soft drink bottles. Easy to take them down to
|> the local oil recycle center.
This does sound good, but I heard it tends to leave more grit, etc in the
oil pan.  Also, I've been told to change the old when it's hot before the
grit has much time to settle.
Any opinions?
--
Bryan Welch                                  Amateur Radio: N0SFG
Internet: europa@vnet.ibm.com (best), bwelch@scf.nmsu.edu
Everything will perish save love and music.--Scots Gaelic proverb
Disclaimer: It's all opinion.  Everything.  So there.
From: europa@tomcat.raleigh.ibm.com (Welch Bryan)
Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...
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In article <C5JoIt.E31@bcstec.ca.boeing.com>, neil@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Neil Williams) writes:
|> larose@austin.cs.utk.edu (Brian LaRose) writes:
|>
|> >This just a warning to EVERYBODY on the net.  Watch out for
|> >folks standing NEXT to the road or on overpasses.   They can
|> >cause SERIOUS HARM to you and your car.
|>
|> >(just a cliff-notes version of my story follows)
|>
|> >10pm last night, I was travelling on the interstate here in
|> >knoxville,  I was taking an offramp exit to another interstate
|> >and my wife suddenly screamed and something LARGE hit the side
|> >of my truck.  We slowed down, but after looking back to see the
|> >vandals standing there, we drove on to the police station.
|>
|> >She did get a good look at the guy and saw him "cock his arm" with
|> >something the size of a cinderblock, BUT I never saw him. We are
|> >VERY lucky the truck sits up high on the road; if it would have hit
|> >her window, it would have killed her.
|>
|> >The police are looking for the guy, but in all likelyhood he is gone.
|>
|> >I am a very good driver (knock on wood), but it was night-time and
|> >I never saw the guy.  The police said they thought the motive was to
|> >hit the car, have us STOP to check out the damage, and then JUMP US,
|> >and take the truck.
|>
|> >PLEASE BE AWARE OF FOLKS.  AND FOR YOUR OWN GOOD, PLEASE DON'T STOP!!!!
|>
|> >peace.
|>
|>
|> >--
|> >---------------------------------------------------------------------------
|> >brian larose  larose@cs.utk.edu   #12, 3103 Essary Rd. Knoxville, TN 37918.
|>
|> >{}
|>
|> As long as we're on the subject... Several years ago myself and two others
|> were riding in the front of a Toyota pickup heading south on Interstate 5
|> north of Seattle, WA. Someone threw a rock of an overpass and hit our
|> windshield. Not by accident I'm sure, it was impossible to get up to the
|> overpass quickly to see who did it. We figured it was kids, reported it and
|> left.
|> A couple of years ago it happend again and killed a guy at my company. He was
|> in his mid-fourties and left behind a wife and children. Turned out there was
|> a reformatory for juviniles a few blocks away. They caught the 14 year old
|> that did it. They put a cover over the overpass, what else could they do?
|> I don't think I'll over forget this story.
In Des Moines, Iowa, about a year ago, some kid dropped a rock from an
overpass and hit car just behind the windshield.  It put a dent in the roof,
so I guess I was lucky it hit metal.
It's frustrating that we can't do much.  Bother the city government to put
covers on all overpasses?  Slow down/speed up a bit when driving under all
overpasses in the city?  I like the first better, but that will take time
and lots of people talking to the city governments.
Just another .02...
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Bryan Welch                                  Amateur Radio: N0SFG
Internet: europa@vnet.ibm.com (best), bwelch@scf.nmsu.edu
Everything will perish save love and music.--Scots Gaelic proverb
Disclaimer: It's all opinion.  Everything.  So there.
From: jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost)
Subject: Re: Too fast
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boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) writes:
>The quality of autobahns is something of a myth. The road surface
>isn't much different to a typical TX freeway. They are better
>in terms of lighting, safety, signs, roadmarkings etc.
They light the highways in Texas?  Funny, everywhere else I've been
they only light 'em at junctions.
I won't even get into how much road markings vary between states and
localities except to say that there are some areas where markings are
essentially nonexistant.
>>than most of the roads here. A dip in the asphalt that you test your
>>shocks on at 60 will kill you at 130. Don't get me wrong, I love to
>It would have to be quite severe. I don't recall any US freeway,
>without road damage warnings, that i would regard as unsafe
>at 130 in any decent, well damped car.
I suspect you have very limited experience -- US freeways vary
dramatically, particularly between states.  I can name a number of
interstate highways in various parts of the country where 130 would be
very optimistic in any car.
I'm not sure what you call "quite severe" in terms of road deviations
but I suspect every single bridge junction on I84 through CT would be
considered so.  They're hard to take at 85mph.  That's not the only
interstate I've seen with such deviations, but it's one I drive
frequently.
Texas is pretty much an edge-case -- you can't assume that everywhere
has roads in such good condition, such flat terrain, and such
wide-open spaces.  It just ain't so.
jim frost
jimf@centerline.com
From: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (Ad absurdum per aspera)
Subject: Re: It's a rush... (was Re: Too fast)
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Wharf Wrat rites:
>They were designed for speeds of upwards of 80 - I forget the
>exact spec - but for military vehicles.  That's 80 in a 1958 Dodge
>Powerwagon.  Not 80 in a 1993 Ford Taurus.
Ever' once in a while, you still see a reference to the super-
slab system as "Interstate and Defense Highways."  But whether
the military has much of anything that goes 80 on the road is
another matter.  A few of their most whomped-up diesel trucks,
maybe, load permitting.  The military surplus stuff I've
driven -- "Jeep Classic" (Willys/Kaiser/AMC, pre-independent
suspension) and Power Wagons (Slant 6 in a crew-cab pickup)
weren't exactly congenial at highway speeds, and I wouldn't
swear any of them would do 80 except as a bedload on a semi.
You just gotta love the standard military tire, too, or at
least the one they used to use.  Designed circa WW II as a
compromise between traction in icky sticky goo and longevity
on sharp rocks and so forth, it's quite ill-adapted to high
speeds on civilian roadways.  For those who can't remember
what they look like, imagine a mountain-bike tire with a
road rib in the middle, scaled up to car size. Oh, yeah, and
narrow too. One of the standard mods for civilizing a surplus
Jeep was to install tires and wheels that reflected some of
the advancements made in ride and handling since D-Day.
But the point made by Wharfie and others still stands:  if
you're going to do 80 in a mil-spec '58 Power Wagon (or a
Jeep or a tank transporter or other unwieldy rubber-tired
vehicle) anywhere, I'd suggest the American interstate.
Your safe speed there tends to be limited more by your car
and skills, road maintenance, and the swarms of fools around
you; the roads were designed for going like the devil.
Naturally, neither I nor my employer advocates unsafe or
unlawful driving.
--Joe
"Just another personal opinion from the People's Republic of Berkeley"
From: Stefan.M.Gorsch@dartmouth.edu (Stefan M. Gorsch)
Subject: Importing Volvo?
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Well, I'm afraid the time has come; my rice-burner has finally died.
I'd always promised my wife that we would do a Scandanavian tour when
my car died and pick up a Volvo in Sweden, drive it around and then
import it home.
Can anyone give me 1) advice on feasibility and relative costs 2)
references where I might learn more 3) Personal experience?
Please email
Thanks
From: ceng@mdd.comm.mot.com (Curtis Eng)
Subject: Selling a car through a car hunter
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
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Anybody got any good/bad experience with selling their car through one of
those car hunters?  I'm selling a 1991 Dodge Stealth R/T and I was contacted
by this company called the Markham group based out of Illinois.
They said they have 7-10 buyers in my area interested in my car or they wouldn't
be talking to me.  They talked to me for a good 20 minutes asking everything
about my car and said they could sell it no problem.  They guaranteed that if
they didn't sell my car in 75 days, I would get my money back ($389) and since
I charged it, I'm protected by federal law which states that if I'm not satisfied,
I would get a refund (which is true).  They federal expressed all the paperwork
to me which had a contract stating their policy about the 75 days and such.
I called up the BBB in Illinois and they do not have a file on them which is
good news.  So they definitely are a legitimate company but so far, it's been
over week and I have gotten nothing.  So how effective are these types of
companies? Anybody care to share their experiences?
From: joes@telxon.mis.telxon.com (Joe Staudt)
Subject: Re: Trading in a car that's not paid for...Pointers Please
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In article <49422@fibercom.COM> rrg@rtp.fibercom.com (Rhonda Gaines) writes:
>
>I'm planning on purchasing a new car and will be trading in my '90
>Mazda MX-6 DX.  I've still got 2 more years to pay on it.  How does
>that get taken into account when I purchase my new car?  Does the
>dealership pay off my car and add on the amount they had to pay to
>the purchase price of the new car?  someone please explain this to
>me.
If you don't already know it, you should call the bank/credit union/
finance company that holds the loan on your present car and get the
current payoff cost.
If you are trading in your current car on the new car, subtract the
payoff amount from the trade-in the dealer is giving you.  (If this
turns out to be a negative number, you need to reconsider the deal.)
Subtract this difference from the price of the new car.  This is the
size of the loan you will need for the new car.
The dealer will take care of paying off the loan on your old car out
of the money you give them when you pick up your new car.
At least that's how it worked for me 5 years ago in Ohio...
>
> -thanks
>  rhonda
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From: sjp@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Steve Phillips)
Subject: Re: Ford and the automobile
Organization: Hewlett-Packard NARC Atlanta
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: Ford and his automobile.  I need information on whether Ford is
: partially responsible for all of the car accidents and the depletion of
: the ozone layer.  Also, any other additional information will be greatly
: appreciated.  Thanks.
:
SSSSSoooooooooooo!!!!! Its all HIS fault!! Thank God Louis Chevrolet is
innocent! and that guy Diesel, HE otto feel guilty!
--
Stephen Phillips
Atlanta Response Center
Atlanta, Ga.
Home of the Braves!
From: bh@anarres.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Brian Harvey)
Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...
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rfelix@netcom.com (Robbie Felix) writes:
>How about the thousands of kind teenagers who volunteer at local
>agencies to help children, seniors, the homeless?
Hear, hear!  Thanks, Robbie.
You also don't read that much about violence *against* teenagers, such as
George Bush burying alive tens of thousands of unarmed Iraqi 17-year-olds,
who were trying to surrender, with bulldozers.
On the other hand, I think it *is* true, without singling out teenagers
for blame, that violence is more socially acceptable than it used to be.
Those of us who'd like to discourage violence have plenty of work to do
with people of all ages.
From: tszeto@sneezy.ts.stratus.com (Tommy Szeto)
Subject: water in trunk of 89 Probe??
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Water gradually builds up in the trunk of my friend's 89 Ford Probe.  Every
once in a while we would have to remove the spare and scoop out the water
under the plywood/carpet cover on the trunk.  I would guess this usually happens
after a good thunder storm.  A few Qs:
1) Is this a common problem?
2) Where are the drain holes located for the hatch?
Thanks for any info.
Tom
--
Tom Szeto                         "No!  Not those peanuts!  The ones on the
tszeto@sneezy.ts.stratus.com       bottom....ggnuuaahuuhh"
#include <disclaimer.h>            - Homer Simpson
From: rll@frieda.mitre.org (Roberto L. Landrau)
Subject: Re: Eagle Talon TSi--LEMON?
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In rec.autos Jay Lorenzana <U40348@uicvm.uic.edu> wrote:
>
>Dear Netters:
>
>I am looking to buy a used Eagle Talon '91 or '91 TSi AWD.
I would be concerned about how the car was driven and how well it was
maintained.  I own a turbocharged one, and I would never buy a
turbocharged vehicle unless I knew the owner and his/her
driving/maintenance habits.
>Question is that the '91 TSi AWD was mentioned in the
>April Consumer Reports to a car to avoid!
I have been wondering about that myself.  The '90 AWD models and the
'91s were identical (except for the ABS option).
>In particular, the manual transmission,
Yes.  Some owners had problems with the transaxles.  Using
synthetic lubricants in the transaxles solved the problem in most
cases.  The problem was not unique to the AWDs, however.  It was
common to all models.  The Galant VR4 and GSX had the same transaxle,
but I didn't see those listed in CR.
>electrical system,
I don't know of any major complaints in this area, except that the
battery that was installed at the factory had a low current rating.
>and brakes were below par (in both models).
The first FWD models (those built before May 1989) were recalled for
brake upgrades.  Some FWD and AWD owners had problems with warped
rotors.  Those of us who insist on using manual torque wrenches every
time the lug nuts are tightened have never had a problem.
>A friend of mine
>ownes a '90 TSi AWD and he has had 2 brake jobs (pads),
I can refer you to someone who has gone through a set of pads in one
day!  It all depends on how you drive.  It seems that most owners have
been getting between 40-70k on a set of pads.
>one stuck valve,
First time I hear about a problem with the valve train on these cars,
other than timing belt failures.
>and some clutch/transmission problem, something
>about sticking/grinding into second gear.  This doesn't seem
>too bad if one "beats" on his car.
If your friend "beats" on the car, then his unit is not a
representative sample of the car's reliability.
My suggestion is instead of listening to the useless Consumer Reports,
talk to several owners (the mailing list may be the best way to reach
a few of them).
>I am willing to suffer reliability--for speed and looks.  Seems
>you have to pay big buck if you want all three.  Anyway can
>anyone please let me know how you like your Talon, and any
>problems you may have had, and if the repairs are worth it.
#if (humor_impaired) skip_to TheEnd
No matter how much you pay, you won't get all three.  Examples:
NSX:       reliability and looks.
Ferrari:   reliability ^H^H^H^H^H^H (yeah, right!) speed and looks
TheEnd
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From: tcorkum@bnr.ca (Trevor Corkum)
Subject: Is car saftey important?
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I was recently thumbing through the 1993 Lemon-Aid New
Car Guide.  What I found was a car would be given a 'Recommended'
under the picture while a few sentences later noting how a
driver and passenger were virtually guaranteed to be killed
in a front end collision.  The most highly recommended small
car (The Civic) has the worst crash rating of all of the small
cars listed.  There were many such cases of 'great' vehicles
where you wouldn't survive an accident.  Is it only me, or is
safety not one of the most important factors when buying a car?
From: joes@telxon.mis.telxon.com (Joe Staudt)
Subject: Re: Renting from Alamo
Organization: TELXON Corporation
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In article <1993Apr20.142818.14969@ericsson.se> etxmst@sta.ericsson.se writes:
>Hello netters!
>
>I'm visiting the US (I'm from Sweden) in August. I will probably rent a Chevy
>Beretta from Alamo. I've been quoted $225 for a week/ $54 for additional days.
>This would include free driving distance, but not local taxes (Baltimore).
>They also told me all insurance thats necessary is included, but I doubt that,
> 'cause a friend rented a car last year and it turned out he needed a lot more
>insurance than what's included in the base price. But on the other hand he
>didn't rent it from Alamo.
>
>Does anyone have some info on this?
>
>Is $225 a rip-off?
No, that sounds pretty reasonable for that car and that city.
>Probability that I'll be needing more insurance?
Unless you have an accident, you won't need more.  If you plan on
paying for the car with a credit card, check and see if your card
automatically covers rental cars.  Also, your own auto insurance may
cover rental cars also.
Most rental companies here offer extra insurance when you rent, and
require you to initial in several spots if you don't want it.  The
credit cards and personal auto insurance provide the same sort of
coverage that the rental agency is trying to sell.
I have never rented from Alamo, so I don't know if they follow this
same practice.
>Is the beretta a good rental car?
Yes.  It is a compact 2-door, probably a bit dull performance and
acceleration-wise, but very adequate.  It will have an automatic
transmission, AM/FM stereo, air conditioning, and possibly power
windows and door locks.
Joe
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From: ak954@yfn.ysu.edu (Albion H. Bowers)
Subject: Re: Manual Shift Bigots
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In a previous article,  (Eric Youngblood) says:
>In article <Apr19.195700.19699@engr.washington.edu>, eliot@stalfos.engr.washington.edu (eliot) writes:
>[race car stuff deleted]
Back to the F1 stuff for a second, note that the `auto' tranny in F1
_STILL_ shifts at the driver's command, not some preselected schedule.  The
driver still controls the shifting, not the transmission.
>|> now, there is no dispute that in production cars, automatics are
>|> inherently more lossy than manuals.  that is in theory.  my point all
>|> along is that whatever mechanical advantages a manual has over an
>|> automatic can very easily be lost by a driver who isn't skillful or
>One thing that gives an automatic an advantage at launch is the fact that
>it has a torque converter vs a clutch.  I know this sounds strange but,
>a torque converter multiplies the engine output when launching.  It functions
^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^
>as a sort of limited Continuously Variable Transmission. Typically you get
>a torque multiplication of 2 to 3 times depending on the stall speed.
I have yet to see a torque multiplier installed on a production automobile.
Such systems do exist, but none are presently installed in production autos
that I am aware of.  These are commonly called viscous drive CVTs or
fluidic amplifiers.
>Contrasted to a clutch which merely slips when feathered (result is no TQ mult)
What the convertor _does_ allow is for the engine to be closer to its
torque peak during the launch before a clutched car can fully engage it's
driveline.  Chevy proved it many years ago with the '70 Camaro (ETs and
terminal 1/4 mile times were close enough tpo be identical for 4 speed and
auto cars).  Note that this is also the major reason that an auto car can
get away with fewer gears than a manual, the slip in the convertor makes up
for the fewer ratios (and before everyone starts yelling about the proposed
5 sspeed autos soon to be out, note that some manufacturers are using 6
speed manulas now).
>Once past lauch however, the converter begins coupling and the TQ multiplication
>effect is reduced, but by then you should be on the cam.
Correct.
--
Al Bowers  DOD #900  Alfa  Ducati  Hobie  Kottke  'blad  Iaido  NASA
"Well goodness sakes...don't you know that girls can't play guitar?"
-Mary Chapin-Carpenter
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center
From: <U37955@uicvm.uic.edu>
Subject: Internal leak in carburetor
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Hi,
My friend's 1983 Toyota Tercel accelerates by itself without using
the gas peddel. The repairman said it has a internal leak of air in
the carburetor and needs a new carburetor (costs $650). She likes
to know if it is possible to fix the problem without replacing
the whole carburetor.
Thank you.
From: jackw@boi.hp.com (jack wood)
Subject: BBB Autoline Arbitration
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
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My BBB Autoline arbitration experience is over.
The outcome was decidedly mixed.  I won the battle but
lost the war.  The arbitrator found that the car was
defective, but decided to offer a repurchase well below
market value :(.  At the time of the hearing, average
retail on my truck in the NADA book was $21,025, but
the decision was for  $17,665.  I wrote a letter to the
Council of Better Business Bureaus pointing out the
fact that if you have an automobile that does not
depreciate rapidly, the manufacturer has no incentive
to deal with you.  There is no way that the
manufacturer can loose because they can turn around and
sell the vehicle at a profit if the consumer is awarded
a repurchase.  The attitude of Chevrolet's
representative at the hearing tends to support this
point of view;  he was totally unprepared and did not
seem to take the proceeding very seriously.
I decided to take the repurchase, even though I am
getting totally screwed on the price.  I will not have
to deal with continuing repairs or selling a lemon
myself, and I have no case for a civil suit based on
the Idaho lemon law.  I am planning to send a letter to
my elected representatives telling them how utterly
ridiculous the Idaho lemon law is.  The law allows for
a "use deduction" equal to the IRS mileage allowance.
As if Chevrolet were buying my gas and paying
for my insurance.
Summary of the case:  In May 1992 I bought a new 3/4 ton
HD Chevrolet pickup.  Between May 1992 and December 1992
this vehicle required repair after repair.  Systems
that required attention included the transmission,
heater fan, paint, suspension, and motor.  The main
problem was the five speed manual transmission.  They
could not install a non-defective transmission in at
least four attempts.
So, in summary, it is possible to get a repurchase, but
you are going to get screwed on the price, unless you
paid too much in the first place, or if your car
happens to be a model that depreciates rapidly.
jackw@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com
From: storrs@eos.ncsu.edu (JERRY STORRS)
Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...
Originator: storrs@c20002-121rd.che.ncsu.edu
Keywords: brick, rock,  danger, gun, violent, teenagers
Reply-To: storrs@eos.ncsu.edu (JERRY STORRS)
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In article <19APR199316162857@erich.triumf.ca>, music@erich.triumf.ca (FRED W. BACH) writes:
|>Xref: taco alt.parents-teens:1937 rec.autos:101669
|>Path: taco!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!saimiri.primate.wisc.edu!caen!destroyer!cs.ubc.ca!unixg.ubc.ca!erich.triumf.ca!music
|>From: music@erich.triumf.ca (FRED W. BACH)
|>Newsgroups: alt.parents-teens,rec.autos
|>Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...
|>Date: 19 Apr 1993 16:16 PST
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|>Message-ID: <19APR199316162857@erich.triumf.ca>
|>References: <C5JoIt.E31@bcstec.ca.boeing.com> <18APR199309481599@erich.triumf.ca> <1qs4a9$f87@bigboote.WPI.EDU> <C5r1Iy.8v0@SSD.intel.com>
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|>Summary: Violent Teenagers and victims need help.
|>Keywords: brick, rock,  danger, gun, violent, teenagers
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|>In article <C5r1Iy.8v0@SSD.intel.com>, jrowell@ssd.intel.com (Janet Rowell)
|> writes...
|>#>Could we plase cease this discussion.  I fail to see why people feel the need
|>#>to expound upon this issue for days and days on end.  These areas are not
|>#> meant for this type of discussion.  If you feel the need to do such things,
|>#> please take your thought elsewhere.  Thanks.
|>#
|>#I just want to second this request. I value this net group as one where people
|>#focus on solving problems and go out of their way to be respectful of
|>#differences. The hostility expressed in the original posting feels like an
|>#assault.
|>#
|>#Thanks,
|>#Jan
|>#
|>
|>   Exactly my point.  There is a lot of hostility to, and from, teenagers.
|>
|>   Look, I sent these posts here to alt.parents-teens (with a copy to
|> rec.autos) since you people in this group may have the best advice for
|> and experience with troubled teenagers.
|>
|>   If you follow the news for the northwest USA, you will have heard that a
|> group of 20-year old boys (barely out of the teens, certainly their outlook
|> was developed during their teens) just shot and killed an innocent little
|> girl riding in a car in the Seattle area when her mother (who was driving)
|> honked her horn at the car with the boys in it.  This is really upsetting
|> and makes my stomach turn as it would any parent's.   Doesn't your heart
|> just go out to that poor mother?
|>
Yes, Fred, my heart and prayers go out to the mother and others who have
been victims of these and other senseless crimes.
|>   You folks in this group have a responsibility to offer any good advice
|> that you may have.  I suspect lots of people all over the world will read
|> and appreciate your comments.
|>
However, I feel that you have missed the point of the previous postings (see
top).  Your statement of 'responsibility' is felt as an attack towards the
members of this group.  You are attempting to make the members of this group
be REQUIRED to answer.  The only people who should make a statement are people
who have experienced the problem and found a workable solution.
|>   Teenagers both drive cars and are involved in automotive vandalism and
|> crime.  Maybe someone on this newsgroup has had specific experience in
|> dealing with violent teenage offenders like these kids are.  At the same
|> time, maybe you would have some good advice for those hostile people who
|> sense that are now the potential victims.  Maybe you would have some good
|> advice for them on how not to pay back and/or not make the situation worse.
|> Maybe you have some good advice for local authorities or schools where
|> this problem is prevalent.  But then again, maybe you're not interested. :-(
Many people are interested, but have no input.  I will restate that your last
sentence here is seen as an attack on the members of this group.  If people have
input, they will give it.  If they do not, YOU should not make them feel
compelled (sp?) to respond.
If you wish to continue this conversation, PLEASE send e-mail.  DO NOT repost or
attempt to bait me, I will not make another post (and may I make the same a
suggestion to other group members) on this matter.
|>
|>   Thanks in advance for your help, if we get any.
|>
BTW, your welcome.
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From: dspalme@mke.ab.com (Diane Palme x2617)
Subject: Re: wife wants convertible
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: nuet_ke@pts.mot.com (KEITH NUETZMAN X3153 P7625) writes:
:
: >
: > HELP!!!
: > my wife has informed me that she wants a convertible for her next car.
:
jp@vllyoak.resun.com (Jeff Perry) writes:
:
: FYI, just last week the PBS show Motor Week gave the results of what they
: thought were the best cars for '93.  In the convertible category, the
: Honda Civic del Sol achieved this honor.
:
: The one down-side I see with the car is its interior, it looks
: inexpensive and dull.
:
I own a del Sol and I must vouch for the interior.  I really looks snazzy when
the top is off.  I looks a lot better in person than on the television.  (I saw
that Motorweek as well.  Needless to say I was smiling a bit by the time it
was over ...)  :*)
Watch out for that darned "convertible tan" tho...
Diane
dspalme@mke.ab.comm
From: jimd@pequod.gvg.tek.com (Jim Delwiche)
Subject: Re: VW Passat:  advice sought
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA
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In article <Apr.19.12.13.52.1993.387@remus.rutgers.edu> hong@remus.rutgers.edu (Hyunki Hong) writes:
>
>I am currently in the car market and would like opinions on a VW
>Passat GLX.  How does it compare to a Toyota Camry?  I thought the car
>looked very solid, stable and European.  Only disappointment so far is
>that that it doesn't offer an airbao my next question is, why isn't VW
>offering automobiles with airbags?  Should I pay the extra three
>thousand for a BMW 318 is even though it is smaller and less powerful
>than than the Passat?
I think VW got caught out on the airbag thing.  It's only been in the last
year or two that airbags have become a significant selling feature.
VW assumed that  automatic belts would satisfy govt. requirements for
passive restraint, but didn't guess that the 'merican consumer would
actually make buy decisions based on the presence of an airbag.
VW is really hurting right now in the US market.  Check out the
article in last week's Autoweek about the crisis at VW.  Golfs and
Jettas will be coming from the plant in Mexico, but they don't have
the quality at that facility.  As per normal VW practice, the US
launch of the Jetta III is delayed again and again, until a good chunk
of the useful life of the design is spent.
I think that Passats come from Germany, so there is not the same
quality and availability issue.  It's a nice car with a nice engine.
Whether VW will be a player in the US market in two year's time is a
different question...
I'll leave the Passat / Camry flamewar for someone else.
From: tspila@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tim Spila {Romulan})
Subject: Re: Auto air conditioning without Freon
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
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In article <1993Apr21.034751.23512@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg> mgqlu@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Max Lu) writes:
>We are working on gas-solid adsorption air-con system for auto applications.
>In this kind of system, the energy for regenerating the adsorbent is from
>the exhaust gas.  Anyone interested in this mail email me or follow up this
>thread, we may have a discussion on prospects of this technology.
Ok, I'll bite.  How is this supposed to work?
Tim.
From: awds_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Adam Edwards)
Subject: Re: 86 chevy sprint
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In <wfnMBJG00WBOE3L2c0@andrew.cmu.edu> Srinagesh Gavirneni <sg48+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>I have a 86 chevy sprint with a/c and 4doors. It's odometer turned 90k
>and the sensor light started blinking. I went to the dealer and he said
>it was a maintenance light saying I need to change the Oxygen sensor. He
>said, It is to be changed every 30k, but since I bought the car when it
>had 77k, I don't know if the same thing happened at 30k and 60k.  He
>quoted $198 for the part and $50 to install it. The part cost $30
>outside, but the mechanic I went to could not fix it saying the sensor
>is placed too deep in the engine parts. He suggested I wait till it
>malfunctions before I do anything.  If anyone out there owns a chevy
>sprint, I want to know how they got their Oxygen sensors changed. Also,
>did you face any problem with fixing it without the dealer's help. Also,
>what are the results of the oxygen sensor malfunction.
>  Any help would be greatly apprecisted
>   Thanks
I sold my '86 Sprint last April with 95k on it.  I'd driven it since
the previous July, putting 20k miles on it.  The sensor light used to
light up regularly, starting about 5k miles after I bought it.
My brother and I rebuilt the engine but used all of the original equipment,
so I suppose the sensor could have used replacement.  Performance (hah,
if you could call it that) did not change.  Perhaps emissions increased,
but how much emissions could a CA-registered 3 cylinder engine produce?
That was a neat car, I held the engine block easily in one hand!  Has
anyone ever driven the 'Turbo' variant?  Just curious...
Adam Edwards
awds_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu
From: rwf2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ROBERT WILLIAM FUSI)
Subject: Re: I'm getting a car, I need opinions.
Organization: Lehigh University
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In article <1qqp2o$5ba@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, cf947@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chun-H
ung Wan) writes:
>
>In a previous article, ip02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Danny Phornprapha) says:
>
>>I have $30,000 as my budget.  I'm looking for a sports or GT car.
>>
>>What do you think would be the best buy?  (I'm looking for specific models)
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Danny
>>--
>>
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>
>For an all out sports car, I'd go for the RX-7 without the sports
>suspension (which is too stiff.)  For a little more practicality and more
>comfort, the Nissan 300ZX Turbo is a good buy.  And for a good dose of
>luxury, the Lexus SC300 is perfect (with a manual transmission of course.)
>However, the Toyota Supra is coming out soon and if you like it's looks,
>the performance is supposed to be great, almost race car like.  I don't
>particulary like the Mitsubishi 3000GT's or the Dodge Stealths as they are
>too heavy and aren't very nimble handlers for a sports car.
>--
>A motion picture major at the Brooks Institute of Photography, CA
>Santa Barbara and a foreign student from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.
>
>"The mind is the forerunner of all states."
>
The only thing about the 300ZX turbo and new Supra is they're about $10K or
more over his budget...
--
" Be good,
and you will be lonely"
Mark Twain
From: kmac@cisco.com (Karl Elvis MacRae)
Subject: Sport Utility Vehical comparisons? Any Opinions?
Organization: Tattooed Love Boys
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I just read articals on this in Road and Track and Car and Driver
(Is that one mag or two? =B^), and I was wondering if people out
there have any opinions that differed from what these mags have to
say...
I'm looking at the following three SUV's; anyone who's driven all
three have any strong opinions?
Ford Explorer
Toyota 4Runner
Nissan Pathfinder
Currently I'm leaning toward the Toyota, 'cause I've had big success
with Toyota trucks in the past, and 'cause I think it's the best
looking of the three. But I thought I'd see if anyone has any strong
opinions....
Thanks!
-Karl
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"Shovels and rakes and implements of destruction"
-Arlo Guthrie
From: jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost)
Subject: Re: Is car saftey important?
Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc.
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tcorkum@bnr.ca (Trevor Corkum) writes:
>Is it only me, or is
>safety not one of the most important factors when buying a car?
It depends on your priorities.  A lot of people put higher priorities
on gas mileage and cost than on safety, buying "unsafe" econoboxes
instead of Volvos.  I personally take a middle ground -- the only
thing I really look for is a three-point seatbelt and 5+mph bumpers.
I figure that 30mph collisions into brick walls aren't common enough
for me to spend that much extra money for protection, but there are
lots of low-speed collisions that do worry me.
jim frost
jimf@centerline.com
From: callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison)
Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...
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In article <1993Apr19.145238.9561@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> bqueiser@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Brian J Queiser) writes:
>anything if he hadn't emptied his gun into the asshole.  Texas--it's
>whole other country.
That reminds me of one of Texas's ads...you hear a guy speaking in
French (like it's a letter home), then the French moves to the
background, and a French-accented voice come to the foreground, talking
about how he went walking on the beach, and it felt so much like
home that he decided to take his shoes off...and the rest of his
clothes. It ended with "please send bail." :-)
>On an rec.autos note, does anyone carry a gun on them or keep one in
>their car (which is bad idea, isn't it?) if you work in a bad part of
>town (or regularly go through one)?  Is this a loaded question?  :^)
I normally have an unloaded Colt Delta in my glove box with a loaded
magazine handy (which is perfectly legal in Oklahoma). For those
times that I'm travelling inter-state, I keep an unloaded
S&W .44 Magnum revolver in the glove box, with a speed-loader
in my pocket (which is legal everywhere, under Federal law, Illinois
State Police be hanged).
As I've said before, this is stricly for defense; my insurance
will pay to replace my car, but I only have one life...
James
James P. Callison    Microcomputer Coordinator, U of Oklahoma Law Center
Callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu   /\    Callison@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu
DISCLAIMER: I'm not an engineer, but I play one at work...
The forecast calls for Thunder...'89 T-Bird SC
"It's a hell of a thing, killing a man. You take away all he has
and all he's ever gonna have."
--Will Munny, "Unforgiven"
From: callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison)
Subject: Re: Slick 50, any good?
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Hmmm....I was listening to the local radio expert (who is, amazingly
enough, an Honest-to-God Expert(tm); it's amazing what he knows...),
and he said that, based on his conversations with the inventor of
Slick50 (who is no longer with the comapny, due to some kind of
conflict), he avoids it like the plague.  He does recommend other
teflon-based/type oil additives, though.
James
James P. Callison    Microcomputer Coordinator, U of Oklahoma Law Center
Callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu   /\    Callison@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu
DISCLAIMER: I'm not an engineer, but I play one at work...
The forecast calls for Thunder...'89 T-Bird SC
"It's a hell of a thing, killing a man. You take away all he has
and all he's ever gonna have."
--Will Munny, "Unforgiven"
From: bell@plains.NoDak.edu (Robert Bell)
Subject: Re: Info/Opinions Wanted on Cars In this Article
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In article <1993Apr13.182100.26650@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen) writes:
>In article <49071@fibercom.COM> rrg@rtp.fibercom.com (Rhonda Gaines) writes:
>>
>>I'm in the market for a new car.  Currently I own a '90 Mazda MX-6 DX
>>which has served me just fine.  However, I'd like to get
>>a 4-door car since I don't relish the thought of moving a carseat
>>around in a 2-door car.  My criteria are: 4-door, a/c, am/fm cassette,
>>quick acceleration, cruise control, decent rear seat legroom (my
>>husband is a 6-footer).  It must also be under $20k
>>preferably closer to the 11-15k range (which will probably rule out
>>the Accord).  The '93 cars that have caught my eye are: Toyota Corolla,
>>Toyata Camry, Mazda 626, Pontiac Grand Am, Pontiac Grand Prix,
>>Honda Accord, (and Civic if it's roomy enough and still comes in a
>>4-door model), Hyundai Sonata, and maybe even a small Oldsmobile,
>>although not the Achieva.  All opinions, benchmarks,
>>recommendations, etc. are welcome.
>
>I really wouldn't consider the Grand Am/Achevia/Skylark (all the same)
>since they are very bad in frontal collsions and don't have any
>other really outstanding qualities.
>
>john
>--
I really must object to that last statement.  Having a lot of experience
with a '92 Grand Am coupe, I can firmly state that they do have a lot of
outstanding qualities.  Very reliable throughout.  Great layout of controls
and components.  Very roomy considering the exterior size of the car.  They
look sharp inside and out.  The V6 that I drive has exceptional power and
drivability compared to other similar cars that I have driven.
All in all, it's a fun-to-drive, dependable, and reasonably priced vehicle.
Please don't knock it with a statement like that unless you back it up with
specific reasons why you feel that way.
Rob
bell@plains.nodak.edu
>John Nielsen   MAGNUS Consultant            ______   ______   __  __
>"To you Baldrick, the Renaissance was just /\  __ \ /\  ___\ /\ \/\ \
>something that happened to other people,   \ \ \/\ \\ \___  \\ \ \_\ \
>wasn't it?" - The Black Adder               \ \_____\\/\_____\\ \_____\
From: lerxst@wam.umd.edu (where's my thing)
Subject: WHAT car is this!?
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I was wondering if anyone out there could enlighten me on this car I saw
the other day. It was a 2-door sports car, looked to be from the late 60s/
early 70s. It was called a Bricklin. The doors were really small. In addition,
the front bumper was separate from the rest of the body. This is
all I know. If anyone can tellme a model name, engine specs, years
of production, where this car is made, history, or whatever info you
have on this funky looking car, please e-mail.
Thanks,
- IL
---- brought to you by your neighborhood Lerxst ----
From: marshatt@feserve.cc.purdue.edu (Zauberer)
Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...
Organization: Purdue University
Can we please stick to AUTOMOTIVE topics . Thank you.
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From: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (Ad absurdum per aspera)
Subject: Re: Sport Utility Vehical comparisons? Any Opinions?
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> I just read articals on this in Road and Track and Car and Driver
> (Is that one mag or two? =B^), and I was wondering if people out
> there have any opinions that differed from what these mags have to say...
Depending on how you plan to use your SUV, I might recommend also
browsing Trailer Boats and one or more of those Pickup, Shotgun,
and 4WD magazines.  The car rags mostly seem to consider recently
graded pea gravel to be offroading and ten sacks of redwood chips
to be a bedload.  Considering that most of these SUVs seem to be
used mostly as robust station wagons, that's probably not a bad
approach, but if your applications are more demanding, pick your
information sources accordingly.
Of the three vehicles on your short list (Explorer, 4Runner,
Pathfinder), I'd recommend the 4Runner as being closely based
on a rather robust pickup and the Explorer for being comfortably
carlike.  Don't know much about the Pathfinder.
Good luck,
--Joe
"Just another personal opinion from the People's Republic of Berkeley"
From: boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle)
Subject: Re: Opel owners?
Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx
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In article <C5sxI4.J9B@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) writes:
>gibbonsa@fraser.sfu.ca (Darren Gibbons) writes:
>
>>I'm looking for information on Opel cars.  Now you ask, which model?
>>Well, the sad truth is, I'm not entirely sure, but it's a two-seater,
>>with roll-over headlights, hard top, and really sporty looking.  My
>>friend has one sitting in his yard in really nice condition,
>>body-wise, but he transmission has seized up on him, so it hasn't run
>>for a while.  Does anyone have any info on these cars?  The engine
>>compartment looks really tight to work on, but it is in fine shape and
>>I am quite interested in it.
>>Thanks!
>>Darren Gibbons
>>gibbonsa@sfu.ca
>
>	This would be the manta, would it not???  Sold through Buick dealers in the mid '70's as the price leader????
Sounds a lot more like an Opel GT to me. I'd guess that this is on the same
chassis as the Kadett, rather than the bigger Manta - but I could easily
be wrong.  I think the later Kadett's were sold here as Buick Opels.
Craig
>
>	Chintan Amin
>	llama@uiuc.edu
>
>--
>Chintan Amin <The University of Illinois UrbanaChampaign> mail: llama@uiuc.edu
>*******SIG UNDER CONSTRUCTION HARD HAT AREA********
From: tomacj@opco.enet.dec.com (THUNDERBIRDS ARE GO !!!)
Subject: MR2 - noisy engine.
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
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NNTP-Posting-Host: OPCO
G'day people,
Are there any MR2 owners or motor-head gurus out there, that know why
my MR2's engine sounds noisy? The MR2's engine is noisy at the best of times,
but not even a nice nose - it's one of those very ugly noises.
I do an oil change every 2-3 months, and for about 2 months the engine
noise sounds relatively quiet during driving and idling. At around the 3 month
mark, after an oil change (I've been tracking this very thoroughly for months
now) it starts to get that very disgusting noise, not so much during driving,
but more so during idling.
What's its problem?
Also.. I don't know if it's just me, but if noticed a little
performance drop. It just hasn't got the acceleration it used to.
Any help/tips would be appreciated!!
Worried.
From: James Edward Burns <ddujeb@arco.com>
Subject: Re: SUPER MEGA AUTOMOBILE SIGHTING(s)!!!!! Exotics together!
X-Xxdate: Tue, 20 Apr 93 00:07:01 GMT
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In article <1qvgg3INNl0r@phantom.gatech.edu>
Graham E. Thomas, grahamt@phantom.gatech.edu
writes: > Alright, beat this automobile
sighting.
I can top that one.  Friday afternoon 4-16-93 I
look out my window in Long Beach CA.  What do I
see but the new Ferrari.  I looks like a mix
between the ragtop testarossa (sp?) and the batman
car.  It seems Ferrari had their Annual dinner
at the place downstairs.  Sweet car.
J.B.
From: marshatt@feserve.cc.purdue.edu (Zauberer)
Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...
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sorry about that last post, my server neglected to send the message:
Can we please keep this group to AUTOMOTIVE topics. Thank you.
From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc)
Subject: Re: Opel owners?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
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boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) writes:
>In article <C5sxI4.J9B@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) writes:
>>gibbonsa@fraser.sfu.ca (Darren Gibbons) writes:
>>>I'm looking for information on Opel cars.  Now you ask, which model?
>>>Well, the sad truth is, I'm not entirely sure, but it's a two-seater,
>>>with roll-over headlights, hard top, and really sporty looking.  My
>>>friend has one sitting in his yard in really nice condition,
>>>body-wise, but he transmission has seized up on him, so it hasn't run
>>>for a while.  Does anyone have any info on these cars?  The engine
>>>compartment looks really tight to work on, but it is in fine shape and
>>>I am quite interested in it.
>>>Thanks!
>>>Darren Gibbons
>>>gibbonsa@sfu.ca
>>
>>	This would be the manta, would it not???  Sold through Buick dealers in the mid '70's as the price leader????
>Sounds a lot more like an Opel GT to me. I'd guess that this is on the same
>chassis as the Kadett, rather than the bigger Manta - but I could easily
>be wrong.  I think the later Kadett's were sold here as Buick Opels.
>Craig
I think the Manta is the European name for the "GT."  I'm pretty sure
that the only Kadett's sold here were/are the Pontiac LeMans.  I think the
GT is just an early '70s to mid '70s Manta.
--
Chintan Amin <The University of Illinois UrbanaChampaign> mail: llama@uiuc.edu
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From: maynard@convex.com (Mark Maynard)
Subject: Re: Opel owners?
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In article <C5sxI4.J9B@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) writes:
>gibbonsa@fraser.sfu.ca (Darren Gibbons) writes:
>
>>I'm looking for information on Opel cars.  Now you ask, which model?
>>Well, the sad truth is, I'm not entirely sure, but it's a two-seater,
>>with roll-over headlights, hard top, and really sporty looking.
>>gibbonsa@sfu.ca
>
>	This would be the manta, would it not???  Sold through Buick dealers in the mid '70's as the price leader????
>	Chintan Amin
Sounds more like an Opel GT.  Neat cars, fun to drive.  Sold through
Buick from 196? through 1973 (if I remember correctly).  I believe it