was in '72 that there were some engine mods made such that parts
were not interchangeable with the older models.  Parts are thus much
harder to come by for the later models.  Parts in general are not
too difficult to find.  At one time JC Whitney carried some stuff
including a brand new (not remfg) long block.  Either a GT or a
Kharman Ghia (hmm that spelling looks hosed) will be my next project.
Mark
From: stecz@pencom.com (John Steczkowski)
Subject: Re: $6700 for hail damage - a record?
Reply-To: stecz@pencom.com
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In article <1993Apr19.235711.7285@cactus.org> boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle)
writes:
>
>
> My 90 Integra was hit hard in the 3/25 hailstorm in Austin, TX.
> The insurance company cut me a check for $6600 ($100 deductible)
> last week.  Is this a record? Anybody else had settlements from
> the same hailstorm yet?
>
> Craig
Rumor has it that a guy at Dell Computer had his Miata totalled, so that would
be about $10k.
--
--
John Steczkowski                        stecz@pencom.com
The Constitution grants you the right to life, liberty, and the
*pursuit* of happiness.  It does not attempt to guarantee that
everyone *will* be happy.
From: hm002b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Hasit Mehta)
Subject: New '94 Talon?????
Keywords: Regal Fiberglass parts ??
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In article:
Is there such a thing as the new '94 Eagle Talon? I heard from a freind that
the new '94 Talons have been released? Is this true and if so what are the
differences between the '93 and '94? Any opinions? I would appreciate any
replies and I would also prefer E-mail, thanks!
--
Hasit S. Mehta                           ****************************
University of Rochester                  *       PRIMUS SUCKS!      *
hm002b@UHURA.CC.ROCHESTER.EDU            ****************************
______"I do believe in Captain Crunch, for I am the frizzle fry"______
From: damelio@progress.COM (Stephen D'Amelio)
Subject: Re: Changing oil by self.
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hanguyen@megatest.com (Ha Nguyen) writes:
>In article <1993Apr14.203800.12566@progress.com> damelio@progress.COM (Stephen D'Amelio) writes:
>>bmoss@grinch.sim.es.com (Brent "Woody" Moss) writes:
>>
>>>You could take a screw driver and hammer and start punching holes in
>>>various locations and when some black slippery stuff starts pouring
>>>out then you would know that the oil drain plug is nearby (within a foot
>>>or two anyway). Close the holes with toilet paper before refileing with oil
>>>though.
>>
>>You have to *refill* the engine with oil! Wow, no wonder I can't get
>>an engine to last more than my first oil change. Don't forget to
>>punch holes in the radiator too, it will spray nice refreshing water
>                    ^^^^^^^^
>>on the engine and keep it nice & cool. ;-)
>>
>>-Steve
>Gee, you really make me confused.  What is radiator?  Where is it located?
>What does it look like?  Will it release any radiation (since it sounds
>like radia-tion genera-tor) when you punch holes?
Of course it releases radiation! Thats why your car goes faster when
you punch the holes in it. All that radiation gets on your engine
and gives it "pep" (scientific term). You get more horsepower &
torque too! If you don't know what HP & torque are, you can read
mile long threads on the subject, but they are all wrong. Horsepower
is how much power a horse can make pulling a Subaru, and torque is
a name invented by Craftsman for a wrench.
-Steve
From: williac@govonca.gov.on.ca (Chris Williams)
Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...
Organization: Government of Ontario
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In <smN42B1w165w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu> vlasis@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (vlasis theodore) writes:
>tobias@convex.com (Allen Tobias) writes:
>> In article <1993Apr15.024246.8076@Virginia.EDU> ejv2j@Virginia.EDU ("Erik Vel
>> >This happened about a year ago on the Washington DC Beltway.
>> >Snot nosed drunken kids decided it would be really cool to
>> >throw huge rocks down on cars from an overpass.  Four or five
>> >cars were hit.  There were several serious injuries, and sadly
>> >a small girl sitting in the front seat of one of them was struck
>> >in the head by one of the larger rocks.  I don't recall if she
>> >made it, but I think she was comatose for a month or so and
>> >doctors weren't holding out hope that she'd live.
>> >
>> >What the hell is happening to this great country of ours?  I
>> >can see boyhood pranks of peeing off of bridges and such, but
>> >20 pound rocks??!  Has our society really stooped this low??
>> >
>> >Erik velapold
>>
>> Society, as we have known it, it coming apart at the seams! The basic reason
>> is that human life has been devalued to the point were killing someone is
>> "No Big Deal". Kid's see hundreds on murderous acts on TV, we can abort
>> children on demand, and kill the sick and old at will. So why be surprised
>> when some kids drop 20 lbs rocks and kill people. They don't care because the
>> message they hear is "Life is Cheap"!
>>
>> AT
>Well people fortunatly or unfortunatly ,
>only the US is experiencing the devaluation of human life (among
>developed nations).
>I am an American but I was raised in Europe, where the worst thing that
>can happen to somebody is get his car broken into, or have his pocket
>picked by Slaves or Russian refugees.
>Of cource there will be some nutcases, but thats extremely rare.
>I.e. in Greece you can walk through any neighborhood at any time during
>the night without even worrying.
>In Germany , you can walk the sidewalks at 4.00 am and not even look
>behind your back, at the sanitation crews that clean the streets to a
>sparkling cleen.
>Whoever of you have been there you know what I am saying.
>I dont have any easy answers but if we as a nation do some selfcritisism
>we might get somewhere.
>Of course these postings sould be in soc.culture.US but if we reduce
>crime here it 'll mean less car insurance rates ,thus we could spend
>more money on modifing our cars. (Now my posting is rec.autos.tech
>revelant).
>Vlasis  Theodore
>___________________
>Software Engineer
>IDB Mobile Communications.
>Sig under development ...
I remember this happening on the I-75 through Michigan and Ohio several
years back. A group of guys in an old beater would rear end a car,
usually out of state or Canadians. You stop and they smack you with a BB
bat. At least they didn't kill you for the sake of a car.
I think the cops put out decoys and this calmed down for a while.
Vlasis, are you safe walking through Germany if you are a refugee ?
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From: wiggs@stsci.edu (Michael S. Wiggs)
Subject: Ignition kill
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
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I just wanted to thank all the netters out there who either
posted a response or sent e-mail regarding my ignition kill
question. Now that I know how simple a procedure it is, it
looks like I'll be paying my local Pep Boys a visit this
weekend....
-Mik
From: jcyuhn@crchh574.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (James Yuhn)
Subject: Re: SHO clutch question (grinding noise?)
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In article <5243@unisql.UUCP>, wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:
|> In article <C5H6F8.LDu@news.rich.bnr.ca> jcyuhn@crchh574.NoSubdomain.NoDomain
|> (James Yuhn) writes:
|> >   That's not the clutch you're hearing, its the gearbox. Early SHOs have
|> >   a lot of what is referred to as 'gear rollover' noise. You can generally
|>
|> 	I have one of the first SHOs built, and _mine_ doesn't make
|> this noise.
|>
Geez wharfie, do you have to be so difficult? Mine was built in December
'88,
which qualifies as pretty dang early, and it most certainly grinds away.
Jim
From: wiggs@stsci.edu (Michael S. Wiggs)
Subject: Kubelwagen
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
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The answer to your question is...sort of. Volkswagen had a
much less robust version of this army vehicle out in the
early '70's (or thereabouts). It was called the Volskwagen
Thing, and was, of course, a convertible. I havent seen
many around then or now. Good luck...
-Mik
From: bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw)
Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time
Organization: Corporation for Open Systems
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In <1993Apr15.040118.29272@slcs.slb.com> dcd@se.houston.geoquest.slb.com (Dan Day) writes:
>In article <C5HHGM.1rM@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) writes:
>>In article <1993Apr13.215605.26252@slcs.slb.com> dcd@se.houston.geoquest.slb.com (Dan Day) writes:
>>>
>>>How about those really ugly fake wheel compartments stuck onto the
>>>trunk or side (or both sides!) of some tacky luxury cars?
>>
>>Some of 'em aren't fake (if you're talking about the Continental kit,
>>named after the Lincoln Continental, the first car to sport one). I
>>personally would _love_ to have a '56 T-Bird with a Continental kit
>>(and the supercharged V-8 :-); that is one of the most beautiful
>>cars ever built, IMHO.
I'd go for a '39 Lincoln Continental if I could find one. Sad part is
that Edsel Ford designed it, and look at the abortion they named after
him. Ain't no justice.
>Okay, I'll admit it looks nice on the T-Bird (as a previous owner
>of 1967 and 1968 Thunderbirds, I'm biased anyway).
From: bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw)
Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time
Organization: Corporation for Open Systems
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In <24485@drutx.ATT.COM> klf@druwa.ATT.COM (FranklinKL) writes:
>In article <C5HHGM.1rM@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu>, callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) writes:
>| In article <1993Apr13.215605.26252@slcs.slb.com> dcd@se.houston.geoquest.slb.com (Dan Day) writes:
>| >In article <1q4466INNb85@ctron-news.ctron.com> smith@ctron.com writes:
>| >>
>| >>It's a big aftermarket business.  Almost no cars come from the factory with
>| >>vynal any more, and any fake "convertible" job _definitely_ came from some
>| >>aftermarket place.  What amazes me is how much people are willing to pay for
>| >>bad taste
>| >
>| >How about those really ugly fake wheel compartments stuck onto the
>| >trunk or side (or both sides!) of some tacky luxury cars?
>|
>| Some of 'em aren't fake (if you're talking about the Continental kit,
>| named after the Lincoln Continental, the first car to sport one). I
>| personally would _love_ to have a '56 T-Bird with a Continental kit
>| (and the supercharged V-8 :-); that is one of the most beautiful
>| cars ever built, IMHO.
>|
>| 				James
>|
>The Continental may have been the first "modern era" auto to mount the
>spare on the rear of the car but it was hardly the first car to sport one.
>Various mounting techniques for rear mounting the spare were quite common
>in early automobiles, both US and Foreign.
>--
Right. In the thirties both Buick and Packard had two spares mounted in
wells in the front fenders. Of course that was back when the front
fenders were long enough to provide room. There were a couple of other
marques that did this as well, but memory fades.
>Ken Franklin 	They say there's a heaven for people who wait
>AMA     	And some say it's better but I say it ain't
>GWRRA           I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints
>DoD #0126       The sinners are lots more fun, Y'know only the good die young
From: bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw)
Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time
Organization: Corporation for Open Systems
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In <C5HI0B.26C@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) writes:
>In article <1993Apr13.220105.26409@slcs.slb.com> dcd@se.houston.geoquest.slb.com (Dan Day) writes:
>>In article <93Apr08.202003.27851@acs.ucalgary.ca> parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes:
>>>As a long time motorcyclist, I have never understood what
>>>posessed auto builders to put delicate controls, which must
>>>be used with skill and finesse, like clutches and brakes,
>>>on the floor.
>>>
>>>Why not hand control? It's much much easier.
>>
>>In the early days, neither of these functions had power-assist, so
>>only legs had enough strength to activate them.  Since then, it's
>>been traditional and people would have a hard time getting
>>used to anything else.
>Well, where, exactly, would you put a hand clutch and brake? On
>a motorcycle, it's easy; the handlebars have a very limited
>range of turning. Steering wheels, on the other hand, turn around
>and around and around...which is fine for electrical relays (like
>your cruise control and airbag)--but how many of you want to
>lose your clutch and/or brake due to a short circuit?
Shades of the Edsel! They had pushbuttons in the steering wheel hub
that controlled the auto tranny. It was very disconcerting to shift
into reverse when turning a corner and the wires shorted.
>There are workarounds, but there's really no reason to use hand
>power on a car's clutch or brakes, and lightening them to the
>point that they are "finesse" controls suitable for hand use
>would increse the mechanical complexity substantially (look at
>power brakes and non-power brakes for an example).
>>I saw an experimental car that had a joystick instead of a steering
>>wheel...
>That's about useless, IMHO.
>>>Another automotive oddity is separate keys for trunks, doors, and
>>>ignitions. Why on earth would you want this?
>>
>>I know *I* don't.
>I want a separate trunk key for security reasons; it gives me a totally
>separate, lockable container. For door and ignition....ehhh, the same key's
>OK, I guess.
>				James
>James P. Callison    Microcomputer Coordinator, U of Oklahoma Law Center
>Callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu   /\    Callison@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu
>DISCLAIMER: I'm not an engineer, but I play one at work...
>		The forecast calls for Thunder...'89 T-Bird SC
>   "It's a hell of a thing, killing a man. You take away all he has
>	and all he's ever gonna have."
>			--Will Munny, "Unforgiven"
From: SteveWall@aol.com (Steve Wall)
Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...
Organization: Anhedonics Anonymous
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In article <1993Apr15.173851.25846@convex.com>, tobias@convex.com (Allen
Tobias) wrote:
>
>
> Society, as we have known it, it coming apart at the seams! The basic reason
> is that human life has been devalued to the point were killing someone is
> "No Big Deal". Kid's see hundreds on murderous acts on TV, we can abort
> children on demand, and kill the sick and old at will. So why be surprised
> when some kids drop 20 lbs rocks and kill people. They don't care because the
> message they hear is "Life is Cheap"!
>
I think this is getting a little overheated.  Highway robbers have been a
part of life since the Middle Ages at least.  It's human nature to look
at history through rose colored glasses, but random acts of violence have
been a ceaseless part of our heritage.  Overall, life is better now than it
ever was then.  It's just that random individual acts of violence have
never
been historically significant, and record keeping in the past was never
good
enough to retain them all.
Steve Wall
From: tjz6624@zeus.tamu.edu (ZINGALE, THOMAS J)
Subject: Re: 86 chevy sprint
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In article <wfnMBJG00WBOE3L2c0@andrew.cmu.edu>, Srinagesh Gavirneni <sg48+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes...
>I have a 86 chevy sprint with a/c and 4doors. It's odometer turned 90k
>and the sensor light started blinking. I went to the dealer and he said
>it was a maintenance light saying I need to change the Oxygen sensor. He
>said, It is to be changed every 30k, but since I bought the car when it
>had 77k, I don't know if the same thing happened at 30k and 60k.  He
>quoted $198 for the part and $50 to install it. The part cost $30
>outside, but the mechanic I went to could not fix it saying the sensor
>is placed too deep in the engine parts. He suggested I wait till it
>malfunctions before I do anything.  If anyone out there owns a chevy
>sprint, I want to know how they got their Oxygen sensors changed. Also,
>did you face any problem with fixing it without the dealer's help. Also,
>what are the results of the oxygen sensor malfunction.
>  Any help would be greatly apprecisted
>   Thanks
>      Nagesh
I have owned my Sprint from the beginning and that sensor light comes on every
30K to let you know it's time for a check up.  When that light goes on, I just
take it to the delaer tell them "It's that time" and they work on it for 4 hou
and you pay $5 for parts and $100 for labor. (Ahh...what they get for labor)
I currently have about 95K on my Sprint and of all the times I took it in for
service, I never say on the payment sheet anything about the replacement of the
Oxygen sensor.  What the heck is an Oxygen sensor?  As far an I know of, I have
never had that thing replaced in my car and the car is purring like a kitten.
Now, I don't have a/c (Mother Nature does that for me :-) ) and that might have
something to do with it, but I still never heard of an Oxygen sensor.  The only
MAJOR service job I have had on my car (besides getting the tires replaced
if you want to call that a service job) was getting the Rotor, Distributor and
Gasket replaced.  And that was all done within the past 2 months.
What I do at 30K is have a good tune-up, let them replace what ever they need
to, pay the bill (about $125) and go home and don't worry about the car for
another 30K.  Oh, I just remembered something.  If that little sensor light
bothers you, in the fuse box right below the turn-signal lever up against
the dash, there is a swith on the right side.  Flip that switch and the light
will go off.  I do that so that little light won't annoy me.  If you can't
find it, look it up in the car manuel.  I hope that I have helped a little
and good luck with the _Oxygen sensor_?
- Thomas -
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From: jimiii@nimbus.com (Jim Warford)
Subject: Re: electronic odometers (was: Used BMW Question ..... ???)
Reply-To: jimiii@nimbus.com (Jim Warford)
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In article <13269@news.duke.edu> klg@mookie.mc.duke.edu (Kim Greer) writes:
>
>  I was wondering if anyone can shed any light on just how it is that these
>electronic odometers remember the total elapsed mileage?  What kind of
>memory is stable/reliable enough, non-volatile enough and independent enough
>(of outside battery power) to last say, 10 years or more, in the life of a
>vehicle?  I'm amazed that anything like this could be expected to work for
>this length of time (especially in light of all the gizmos I work with that
>are doing good to work for 2 months without breaking down somehow).
>
MK48T02 from thomsom.  It has a timekeeper (clock) and 512 bytes of NVRAM which
has a lithium battery backup.  The battery has a life of ~10 years of poweroff
operation.  Installed in a car it could be left powered on continuously and not
draw much current.  The battery would only be used when your auto battery was
dead or had been removed.
>Side question:  how about the legal ramifications of selling a used car with
>a replaced odometer that starts over at 0 miles, after say 100/200/300K
>actual miles.  Looks like fraud would be fairly easy - for the price of a
>new odometer, you can say it has however many miles you want to tell the
>buyer it has.
In California they have a line on the transfer of ownership form which states
that the odometer mileage is correct.  If incorrect you are required to
fill in what you know (or guesstimate) to be the correct mileage.  If you
lie on this form and are caught you can be prosecuted and the buyer can
sue you for the value of the mileage differential.
--
Faster Horses
Younger Women
Older Whiskey
More Money!
From: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade)
Subject: Re: RE Aftermarket A/C units
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Distribution: usa
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>Les Bartel's comments:
>>>>Sorry I can't help you with your question, but I do have a comment to
>>make concerning aftermarket A/C units.  I have a Frost-King or Frost-Temp
>>(forget which) aftermarket unit on my Cavalier, and am quite unhappy with
>>it.  The fan is noisy, and doesn't put out much air.  I will never have
>>an aftermarket A/C installed in any of my vehicles again.  I just can't
>>trust the quality and performance after this experience.
>> - les
>
>Let me add my .02 in. I had a A/C installed by the Ford garage and it did not
>work as well as the A/C that was installed by the factory in pickups
>identical to mine. I have talked to other people that have had the same
>result. Don't know if this is just a probable with Ford or what??
>
>	Ernie Smith
i agree, *never* have the dealer add anything to your car.  if you want a/c
make sure it is factory installed(honda's maybe excluded, many can't be
bought with a/c installed at the factory, but i think, maybe, they actually
use all the needed parts for a true factory install when they put one in...as
in bigger radiator etc...or are designed properly for this in the 1st place),
anyway, my point is the dealer installed a/c won't be anywhere near as good
as factory *and* the service bums will mess up your car when installing it...
scratches, screwdriver holes in seats...parts not reinstalled correctly or
with all the screws etc.  i know a guy who has been service manager at a gm
dealer for 18 years...he said never have a dealer add anything to your car...
except, maybe, floormats...
From: ciarlett@mizar.usc.edu (Joni Ciarletta)
Subject: Master Cylinder
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Thanks to everyone who responded to my Honda Accord break question.
It does seem that the master cylinder is bad. I will have my
mechanic double check and be sure it isn't something simpler
and cheaper first, but from your responses it sounds like it
is very likely to be the master cylinder.
Thanks everyone!!
Joni
From: davec@ECE.Concordia.CA (Dave Chu)
Subject: WANTED: OPINIONS ON 75 MG
Nntp-Posting-Host: dreams.ece.concordia.ca
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I was wondering if anyone out in net-land have any opinions on MGs
in general.  I know they are not the most reliable cars around but
summer is approaching and they are convertibles `8^).  I'm interested
in a 75 MG but any opinions on MGs would be appreciated.  Thanks.
Dave
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From: tgardner@athena.mit.edu (Timothy J Gardner)
Subject: Re: another Taurus SHO question
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
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In article <1993Apr14.064702.26925@reed.edu> rseymour@reed.edu writes:
>The Taurus SHO (for those who can get it straight, it is S-H-O as in Super
>High Output, not SHO as in show) has a Yamaha 3.0L DOHC (24 valves) SHO V-6.
Having spoken to technical staff from Ford many times, I can assure you that
internally at Ford this car is always called the Taurus "Show" or just
"the Show".  As in long "o" sound.  I still refer to it as the "S-H-O",
however, because it sounds better to me. I assume many purist fans and owners
prefer using the Ford lingo.
Tim Gardner
From: reid@ucs.indiana.edu (Frank Reid)
Subject: Re: The Kuebelwagen??!!
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Organization: Indiana University
In article <C5K5Co.F09@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> thwang@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Tommy Hwang) writes:
>	Sorry for the mis-spelling, but I forgot how to spell it after
>my series of exams and NO-on hand reference here.
>
>	Is it still possible to get those cute WWII VW Jeep-wanna-be's?
>A replica would be great I think.
>
>							-TKH '93
The VW "Thing" Kubelwagen lookalike is still manufactured in Mexico and
possibly South America.  Good luck importing one--  They probably don't meet
US safety and pollution requirements.  There are mechanics and junkyards
which specialize in VW; they might be helpful for finding a "Thing" unless
the WWII re-enacters have grabbed them all.
The WWII Kubelwagen was the German equivalent of the Jeep, but was not 4-
wheel drive.  One is on display at the Patton Museum at Fort Knox, Kentucky,
also the rare "Schwimwagen" (sp?) amphibious version, in full-scale dioramas.
Highly recommended!
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Frank     reid@ucs.indiana.edu
From: markm@bigfoot.sps.mot.com (Mark Monninger)
Subject: Re: Auto air conditioning without Freon
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In article <1993Apr15.222600.11690@research.nj.nec.com>
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:
>  ...
> 	Several chemists already have come up with several substitutes for
> R12.  You don't hear about them because the Mobile Air Conditioning
Society
> (MACS), that is, the people who stand to rake in that $300 to $1000 per
> retrofit per automobile, have mounted an organized campaign to squash
those
> R12 substitutes out of existence if not ban them altogether (on very
shaky
> technical grounds, at best, on outright lies at worst).
>  ...
Now, I'm not saying you're wrong because I know that the R-12 substitutes
exist, but this sounds a lot like the 200mpg carbs that the oil companies
keep us all from getting.
Mark
From: tmspence@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (thomas morris spencer)
Subject: Are there any Honda groups?
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Are there any Honda groups out there?  Especially ones that deal with
Preludes?
Tom Spencer
From: jwg@SEDV1.acd4.acd.com (jwg)
Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time
In-Reply-To: bhtulin@unix.amherst.edu's message of Wed, 14 Apr 1993 20:35:23 GMT
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In article <C5HqJ0.57@unix.amherst.edu>, bhtulin@unix.amherst.edu (Barak H. Tulin) gives forth:
>I just started reading this thread today, so forgive me if it has already been
>mentioned.  But...what was the deal with Renault's putting the horn on the
>left-hand turn-signal stalk?  It was a button on the end, where the washer
>button would be on the wiper/washer stalk.  Could the Frenchies not figure
>out the wiring through the steering wheel, or what?
Had an '83 Alliance for a long time.  It was a comfortable but sluggish
car.  I got very used to the horn on the stalk, after a couple months worth
of getting used to it.  After I bought my next car, a Chevy, it took me
for-EVER to get used to the horn on the steering wheel again!
jim grey
jwg@acd4.acd.com
Up the Irons!
From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Subject: Re: It's a rush... (was Re: Too fast)
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In a previous article, crh@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.dbp.de (Christian Huebner) says:
>brad@buck.viewlogic.com (Bradford Kellogg) writes:
>
>>I think he's talking about a different form of rush. Evidently, it's fun to be
>>terrified. But hey, if you want that kind of rush, try bobsledding. You may
>>only get up to 80 or so, but it makes 130 in a car feel like a stroll in the
>>park.
>
>Why should a good driver be terrified at 130mph? The only thing I fear
>going at 130 are drivers, who switch to the left lane without using
>either rear-view-mirror or flashers. Doing 130 to 150 ain't a rush
>for me, but it's fun and I get where I want to go much faster.
>
>But in one point You are quite right. If You are terrified at 130 You
>should better not drive that fast, or You'll be a hazard to others.
>
>BTW, before You flame me, read my E-Mail address. I know what I'm
>talking about, as I live in Germany.
>
>>- BK
>
>Chris    crh@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de
not a flame, just a point:  I'd be scared at 130 here, not because i feel
_I_  or my car couldn't handle it, but because of exactly what you said:
drivers who are STUPID.  Like the ones who are doing 130 also, and so
they pull in right behind you at maybe 1-2 car lengths....oh yeah, real
smart...  This scares me in cities at 50.  When i can't see enough of
the car to make it recognizable, they are following TOO CLOSE.  And
when i see them doing this AND reading a newspaper.....*sigh*...this
is why America has 55-65 speed limits: our drivers are TOO DUMB to realise
that reading the paper should be done at breakfast, or work, not in their
car.
my thoughts..
DREW
From: markm@bigfoot.sps.mot.com (Mark Monninger)
Subject: Re: Car buying story, was: Christ, another dealer service scam...
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In article <1993Apr15.234508.20032@slcs.slb.com>
dcd@se.houston.geoquest.slb.com (Dan Day) writes:
>   ...(relates an experience similar to mine) ...
> Then comes the part I wish I could have videotaped.  As we go out
> the front door, the sales manager SHOUTS across the entire showroom,
> customers and all, "Go ahead!  You DESERVE to buy a Nissan!"
> So my friend bought a Sentra.
> ...
This kind of behavior is what I was shocked by in my 'experience'. For
crying out loud, how do these turkeys think they can talk to customers
this way and still stay in business? Again, I don't expect sales people to
bow, scrape, and grovel in my presence but I sure don't expect to be
abused either. I was very surprised by the way the sales people talked to
me and in other 'negotiating' sessions I overheard in neighboring sales
cubicles. Evidently, their success rate is high enough that they continue
to do business this way. There must be a lot of people out there who are
easy to intimidate.
On the other hand, I'm not sure about the 'one price, no haggling'
approach that Saturn and other are starting to use. I guess if their fixed
price is fair it's OK. Maybe the best approach is to do your homework
before you go in. Find out the invoice prices of the car, add a reasonable
profit for the dealer ($200-$300??), offer them that price and stick to
it. If they get abusive, just leave. Then, don't let them try to screw you
after the deal is agreed on.
Mark
From: bpita@ctp.com (Bob Pitas)
Subject: Re: BRAINDEAD Drivers Who Don't Look Ahead--
Keywords: bad drivers
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In article <1993Apr14.140642.19875@cbnewsd.cb.att.com> hhm@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (herschel.h.mayo) writes:
>
>Well, I guess I know for sure what I meant, and it is this:  I don't know where
>you drive, but around here freeways are often clogged solid with large packs
>of semis, trucks, and cars of all descriptions.  When I close on one of these
>rolling clusterf***s on the highway, I have no desire to add my vehicle to this
>rolling accident looking for a place to happen. If there were any way to pass it
>I WOULD BE PASSING MYSELF, however I can't.      As I posted before, all it
>takes is a blown tire, or some moron tramping on the brakes to turn this pack
>into a cloud of shredded metal, flying glass, and burning vehicles.   I want to
>maintain enough free space between myself and this mess to at least have a
>minimal chance to avoid a mass crash. That means maintaining a clear space
>between me and it.
>However, there is no end of shortdriving morons who are dying to pass so they
>can add themselves and their car to the bodycount.  That wouldn't bother me so
>much except that after letting enough of these morons pass me and glue themselves
>to the pack ahead, my interval is filled up. Trying to back off further does not
>work because the road behind me has filled up, trapping my car right into an ever
>increasing pack.  Now, if there was any slight possibility that there was a lane
>open ahead, I'd be glad to move over. But, there usually is no way in hell that
>anybody is going anywhere. So, I block the would-be passers. Not only for my own
>good , but theirs as well even though they are often too stupid to realize it.
>
Just an comment:  I don't like it when people decide what's good for me...
If you think you're going to decide anything for me, you'd better be
carrying a badge and a gun.  Who made you capable of determining if there
is "no way in hell that anybody is going anywhere"?  Why do you find
it necessary to add to the problem instead of just minding your own
business?  If someone is minding their own business, I will give them
all the room they want, and I'll try to make things easy for them, even
letting them in in front of me if they ask politely (with a directional).
On the other hand, if someone like you decides they want to block me and
be a general asshole, you can bet your ass that I'll make life as
miserable as possible for you, as long as it doesn't affect anyone else
who's minding their own business.
They have a phrase to describe someone like you:
Self Appointed Traffic Police.
Just mind your own business and stay in the right lane where you belong.
>As a rule of philosophy, I don't feel particularly sorry when somebody gets
>offed by his own stupidity, but It does worry me when some idiot is in a position
>to cash in my chips, too.
>
>                                                           H.H. Mayo
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From: sorlin@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven J Orlin)
Subject: Re: Changing oil by self.
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In article <1993Apr15.222254.6651@rtfm.mlb.fl.us> gwalker@rtfm.mlb.fl.us (Grays
on Walker) writes:
>Why crawl under the car at all? I have a machine I got for my boat that
>pulls the oil out under suction through the dip stick tube. It does an
>excellent job and by moving the suction tube around, you can get more
>old oil out than by using the drain plug. I think I paid $25 at E&B Marine.
>The oil goes into a steel 3 gal can - wait until it cools and decant into
>your favorite device. I use soft drink bottles. Easy to take them down to
>the local oil recycle center.
Yeah I suppose you could do that.  But then you don't get the broken knuckles,
the rust in your eyes, the oil bath, and the burns from the exhaust.
I mean come on!...
Steve
From: bobml@mxmsd.msd.measurex.com (Bob LaGesse)
Subject: Re: Changing oil by self.
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In article <1993Apr15.193712.25996@news.cs.brandeis.edu>, andyh@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Andrew J. Huang) writes:
> In article <1993Apr15.020356.28944@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> sorlin@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven J Orlin) writes:
> >I take the electrodes of the Amp/Ohm/Volt meter whatever and connect one
> >to each earlobe.  Then, symmetrically insert my fingers in each of the
> >spark plug boots. No cheating guys!  both hands must be used!
>
> I have just a couple of questions about this technique.
>
> First, what firing order should I use?  Do I start with my pointer
> finger or my pinky?  Left hand or right?
>
> And secondly, I have a 12cyl and there are two cylinders unaccounted
> for.  Any suggestions?
>
> /andy
>
How about your two big toes?  And while you're at it, why bother with removing
the drain plug when you could remove the dipstick instead and suck it out from
there with your mouth and then spit it out?
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From: kastle@bernoulli.WPI.EDU (Jacques W Brouillette)
Subject: Re: ARCTIC WHEELS AUTO SHOW
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: I want only two things from this world, a 58 Plymouth and a small  :
: OPEC nation with which to fuel it.  This would be a good and just  :
: thing.  Car Smashers can just go home and sulk.                    :
:        Jacques Brouillette ---  Manufacturing Engineering          :
From: mliggett@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (matthew liggett)
Subject: Re: Opel owners?
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In <C5t3B2.DG@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) writes:
>boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) writes:
>>In article <C5sxI4.J9B@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) writes:
>>>gibbonsa@fraser.sfu.ca (Darren Gibbons) writes:
>>>>I'm looking for information on Opel cars.  Now you ask, which model?
>>>>Well, the sad truth is, I'm not entirely sure, but it's a two-seater,
>>>>with roll-over headlights, hard top, and really sporty looking.  My
>>>>friend has one sitting in his yard in really nice condition,
>>>>body-wise, but he transmission has seized up on him, so it hasn't run
>>>>for a while.  Does anyone have any info on these cars?  The engine
>>>>compartment looks really tight to work on, but it is in fine shape and
>>>>I am quite interested in it.
>>>>Thanks!
>>>>Darren Gibbons
>>>>gibbonsa@sfu.ca
>>>
>>>	This would be the manta, would it not???  Sold through Buick dealers in the mid '70's as the price leader????
>>Sounds a lot more like an Opel GT to me. I'd guess that this is on the same
>>chassis as the Kadett, rather than the bigger Manta - but I could easily
>>be wrong.  I think the later Kadett's were sold here as Buick Opels.
>>Craig
>	I think the Manta is the European name for the "GT."  I'm pretty sure
>that the only Kadett's sold here were/are the Pontiac LeMans.  I think the
>GT is just an early '70s to mid '70s Manta.
>--
>Chintan Amin <The University of Illinois UrbanaChampaign> mail: llama@uiuc.edu
>*******SIG UNDER CONSTRUCTION HARD HAT AREA********
Bzzt.
The manta was a two-door sedan in the US.
It had a 1900 engine.
Was sometimes referred to as an Opel 1900.
Manta's are also ve hot and fun cars too.
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From: awelker@watarts.uwaterloo.ca (a welker)
Subject: Aftermarket exhausts for BMW 320i
Organization: University of Waterloo
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I am in the process of looking for a half decent aftermarket sport exhaust
for my 1981 BMW 320i. So far, I have found a Pacesetter exhaust for $219
and an Ansa exhaust for $190 (Canadian funds). I was wondering if anyone
could tell me anyhting about either of these exhausts or any other possible
exhausts that I may be interested in. My main priorities are a decent horse
power increase (5-30%) and a nice low note to go along with that added power.
I was also thinking of looking into both Remus and Leistritz exhausts.Has
anyone got anything to say about these? I am mainly looking for the muffler
only but if anyone can find a good deal on a whole kit I would be willing to
go after that. I also would like to know how much these would cost me in the
States.Please mail me back if you have any information.
Mike Welker
From: dduff@col.hp.com (Dave Duff)
Subject: Re: Waxing a new car
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I just had my 41 Chrysler painted. I was told to refrain from waxing it and
to leave it out in the sun!! Supposedly this let's the volatiles escape from
the paint over a month or so (I can smell it 15 feet away on a hot day) and
lets any slight irregularites in the surface flow out, as the paint remains
a little soft for a while.
From: jcorry@erasure_sl.cc.emory.edu (Jeremy Corry)
Subject: MBenz 300 series, VW Passat
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My boss is interested in a new 300 series Mercedes Benz wagon.
Does anyone have any testimonial evidence and/or strong opinions
on this car (or line)?
Particularly, I would like to hear about power (manual t. only)
reliability, feel, and any unusually good or bad features of the
line.
She currently drives a VW Passat, and is being plagued by its
electrical problems.  The dealer claims there is nothing wrong,
even though the doors have a habit of locking and unlocking them-
selves while you are driving down the road.  The automatic shoulder
restraints also like to move back and forth as you move along.
She does not have the new, larger engine and is quite
dissatisfied with its lack of power.
The MB wagon would have to have more power and no peculiar problems
such as the Passat's electrical system.  She is also considering
a Saab 9000 (add some letters).  Any comparisons between the 9000
line and the Mercedes would be helpful.
Price is not an impediment.
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From: <SYST8145@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca>
Subject: Van step... Van Accessory Help
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Hello Netters,
I would like to find out information about a device that is used on vans and
trucks. This device is a step that hooks onto the tire and folds up for
storage. I've seen this device on TNN's Shady Tree Mechanic. I would like to
know if it is a good product and I would also like the price and address
of where I can purchase this product.
Thanks,
George Chan
Email: syst8145@ryevm.ryerson.ca
From: aep@world.std.com (Andrew E Page)
Subject: Re: Importing Volvo?
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
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There was an article in Business week not more the 4 weeks ago
on this very subject.  IN fact the Volvo 850 was one of the cars
they laid out an example for.
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Andrew E. Page   (Warrior Poet) |   Decision and Effort The Archer and Arrow
Mac Consultant                  |     The difference between what we are
Macintosh and DSP Technology    |           and what we want to be.
From: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
Subject: Re: SHO and SC
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In article <1qehi6$ork@armory.centerline.com>, jimf@centerline.com (Jim
Frost) writes:
> Ok, I'll give you a few reasons:
>
> 1. Neither car was designed to turn at those speeds.
> 2. Neither car was designed to stop quickly from those speeds.
> 3. Safety mechanisms were not designed for impacts at those speeds.
> 4. An uncontrolled environment leads to unpredictable circumstances
>    where you might need to turn or stop with no notice.
Do you, by any chance own an SHO or have access to one, such that you
would have any idea what it is designed for or how it handles?
Just wondering...
Tom Pickett
tpickett@auspex.com or 74616.2237@compuserve.com
SHO  GOZE
From: eliot@lanmola.engr.washington.edu (eliot)
Subject: Re: MR2 - noisy engine.
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In article <1r1vofINN871@usenet.pa.dec.com> tomacj@opco.enet.dec.com (THUNDERBIRDS ARE GO !!!) writes:
>	Are there any MR2 owners or motor-head gurus out there, that know why
>my MR2's engine sounds noisy? The MR2's engine is noisy at the best of times,
>but not even a nice nose - it's one of those very ugly noises.
assuming yours is a non turbo MR2, the gruffness is characteristic of
a large inline 4 that doesn't have balance shafts.  i guess toyota
didn't care about "little" details like that when they can brag about
the mid engine configuration and the flashy styling.
myself, i automatically cross out any car from consideration (or
recommendation) which has an inline 4 larger than 2 liters and no
balance shafts..  it is a good rule of thumb to keep in mind if you
ever want a halfway decent engine.
if the noise really bugs you, there is nothing else that you can do
except to sell it and get a V6.
eliot
From: tomm@hank.ca.boeing.com (Tom Mackey)
Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...
Keywords: BRICK, TRUCK, DANGER
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In article <C5JoIt.E31@bcstec.ca.boeing.com> neil@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Neil Williams) writes:
>As long as we're on the subject... Several years ago myself and two others
>were riding in the front of a Toyota pickup heading south on Interstate 5
>north of Seattle, WA. Someone threw a rock of an overpass and hit our
>windshield. Not by accident I'm sure, it was impossible to get up to the
>overpass quickly to see who did it. We figured it was kids, reported it and
>left.
>A couple of years ago it happend again and killed a guy at my company. He was
>in his mid-fourties and left behind a wife and children. Turned out there was
>a reformatory for juviniles a few blocks away. They caught the 14 year old
>that did it. They put a cover over the overpass, what else could they do?
Execute the juvi on the grounds of the reformatory, required attendendence
by the rest of the inmates, as soon as possible after the incident and a
quick sure trial.  I am quite serious.  Cause and effect.  Nothing else
will ever make a dent.
>I don't think I'll over forget this story.
>Neil Williams, Boeing Computer Services, Bellevue WA.
Me neither.
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From: tomm@hank.ca.boeing.com (Tom Mackey)
Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...
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In article <NEILSON.93Apr15135919@seoul.mpr.ca> neilson@seoul.mpr.ca (Robert Neilson) writes:
>[sorry for the 0 auto content, but ... ]
>
>> That is why low-abiding citizens should have the power to protect themselves
>> and their property using deadly force if necessary anywhere a threat is
>> imminent.
>>
>> Steve Heracleous
>
>You do have the power Steve. You *can* do it. Why don't you? Why don't you
>go shoot some kids who are tossing rocks onto cars? Make sure you do a good
>job though - don't miss - 'cause like they have big rocks - and take it from
>me - those kids are mean.
That is absolutely correct.  They have a streak of meanness that runs much
deeper and stronger than anything I ever experienced even during the height
of the 60's racial struggles.  I am absolutely convinced that there are
kids out there today that have no concept of right and wrong, but have the
human intelligence which is turning them into the greatest predators that
have ever walked the earth.  They will prevail unless the rest of humanity
decides that it is in their best interest to stand up against these feral
humans, and for individuals to start taking some responsibility for their
own protection.  In a state in which the individuals turn to the authorities
and police for protection, the police and government is soon composed of
the very feral humans that they originally sought protection from.
Gee, I guess you touched my hot button.  I'd better go cool off somewhere.
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From: barryf@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Barry Fowler)
Subject: Re: Impala SS going into production!
Organization: HP Colorado Computer Mfg. Operation
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Does that mean that they're gonna bring back the Biscayne and Bel Air?
From: matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (Matthew MacIntyre at the National University of Senegal)
Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...
Organization: National University of Singapore
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mchaffee@dcl-nxt07 (Michael T Chaffee) writes:
: significantly less than the value of many automobiles.  And for those who will
: argue that the animals out there stealing cars and everything else (not to
: mention committing COMPLETELY senseless acts of violence, such as rape) cannot
: be valued in terms of money because they are human beings, I submit that they
: are not human beings.  Jim Callison, I think, is on the right track.  And
Absolutely. A scratch on my car bothers me more than the death of any
number of scum. All of you feel the same way---you just won't admit it.
When are people going to realise that the mere fact that a piece of flesh
moves and has the approximate shape of a human being does not in itself
mean that it has "rights"?
From: nataraja@rtsg.mot.com (Kumaravel Natarajan)
Subject: Dirty Diesels?
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I heard the diesels are considered cleaner-burning than
gas engines because the emit less of: Carbon Monoxide,
Hydrocarbons, and Oxides of Nitrogen.  (CO, HC, NOX).
But they can put out a lot of particulate matter.  I heard
something about legislation being discussed to "clean up
diesel emissions".  Is there anything in the works to
install "scrubbers" for diesels?  How about the feasibility
of installing them on trucks and cars?  Would it be any
different than a catylitic converter?  I'd assume easier,
since we're removing particulate matter instead of converting
gasses.  Let's hear people's opinions...
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From: jp@vllyoak.resun.com (Jeff Perry)
Subject: Re: wife wants convertible
Organization: Private site in San Marcos, California
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aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes:
>
> In a previous article, dspalme@mke.ab.com (Diane Palme x2617) says:
>
> >: nuet_ke@pts.mot.com (KEITH NUETZMAN X3153 P7625) writes:
> >: > HELP!!!
> >: > my wife has informed me that she wants a convertible for her next car.
> >jp@vllyoak.resun.com (Jeff Perry) writes:
> >: FYI, just last week the PBS show Motor Week gave the results of what they
> >: thought were the best cars for '93.  In the convertible category, the
>                                                ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >: Honda Civic del Sol achieved this honor.
> >I own a del Sol and I must vouch for the interior.  I really looks snazzy wh
> >the top is off.  I looks a lot better in person than on the television.  (I
> >that Motorweek as well.  Needless to say I was smiling a bit by the time it
> >was over ...)  :*)
> >
> >Watch out for that darned "convertible tan" tho...
>
>
> i simply must inquire, how can people honestly consider this car
> a "convertible"?  Does Porsche have a patent on the "targa" name?
> I mean, convertible to me means "top down", which the del Sol certainly
> does NOT do.  It has the center that lifts out.  This is what i would
> term a targa(unless Porsches was gonna sue me for doing that).  I know
> the rear window rolls down, but i still can hardly consider this car
> to be a convertible.
>
Yes, however, with the top off and the rear window down this car is more
like a convertible than a coupe.  Think of it as a convertible with an
integrated roll-bar like addition.
jp
From: rseymour@reed.edu (Robert Seymour)
Subject: Re: WHAT car is this!?
Article-I.D.: reed.1993Apr21.032905.29286
Reply-To: rseymour@reed.edu
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR
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In article <1993Apr20.174246.14375@wam.umd.edu> lerxst@wam.umd.edu (where's my
thing) writes:
>
>  I was wondering if anyone out there could enlighten me on this car I saw
> the other day. It was a 2-door sports car, looked to be from the late 60s/
> early 70s. It was called a Bricklin. The doors were really small. In
addition,
> the front bumper was separate from the rest of the body. This is
> all I know. If anyone can tellme a model name, engine specs, years
> of production, where this car is made, history, or whatever info you
> have on this funky looking car, please e-mail.
Bricklins were manufactured in the 70s with engines from Ford. They are rather
odd looking with the encased front bumper. There aren't a lot of them around,
but Hemmings (Motor News) ususally has ten or so listed. Basically, they are a
performance Ford with new styling slapped on top.
>    ---- brought to you by your neighborhood Lerxst ----
Rush fan?
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Physics and Philosophy, Reed College	(NeXTmail accepted)
Artificial Life Project			Reed College
Reed Solar Energy Project (SolTrain)	Portland, OR
From: ravi@merlin.dev.cdx.mot.com (Ravi Puvvala)
Subject: $13,500 Mazda 626 DX (with Air, AM/FM) Good Deal?
Nntp-Posting-Host: elvis.dev.cdx.mot.com
Reply-To: ravi@merlin.dev.cdx.mot.com (Ravi Puvvala)
Organization: Motorola Codex
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Hi Netters
I want to know if 13500 (w/o tax) is a good deal for 1993 Mazda 626 DX
How is the performance review so far on Mazda 626. Is it a good buy?
Please reply to me as I don't read this group often.
Thanks In advance
Ravi
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ravi@merlin.dev.cdx.mot.com	|  the assimilation of facts but blow all
Motorola Codex, Boston  MA 	|  the money" - Ravi Puvvala
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From: boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle)
Subject: Re: Opel owners?
Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx
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In article <C5t3B2.DG@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) writes:
>boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) writes:
>
>>In article <C5sxI4.J9B@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) writes:
>>>gibbonsa@fraser.sfu.ca (Darren Gibbons) writes:
>>>>I'm looking for information on Opel cars.  Now you ask, which model?
>>>>Well, the sad truth is, I'm not entirely sure, but it's a two-seater,
>>>>with roll-over headlights, hard top, and really sporty looking.  My
>>>>friend has one sitting in his yard in really nice condition,
>>>>body-wise, but he transmission has seized up on him, so it hasn't run
>>>>for a while.  Does anyone have any info on these cars?  The engine
>>>>compartment looks really tight to work on, but it is in fine shape and
>>>>I am quite interested in it.
>>>>Thanks!
>>>>Darren Gibbons
>>>>gibbonsa@sfu.ca
>>>
>>>	This would be the manta, would it not???  Sold through Buick dealers in the mid '70's as the price leader????
>
>>Sounds a lot more like an Opel GT to me. I'd guess that this is on the same
>>chassis as the Kadett, rather than the bigger Manta - but I could easily
>>be wrong.  I think the later Kadett's were sold here as Buick Opels.
>
>>Craig
>
>	I think the Manta is the European name for the "GT."  I'm pretty sure
Well the European Manta and US GT have entirely different bodies. There is
little or no chance that they are the same. The Manta went through several
generations as the coupe version of the Ascona and was OK in its time.
>that the only Kadett's sold here were/are the Pontiac LeMans.  I think the
Not true. The Kadett has been in and out of the US market over the years.
The LeMans (old Kadett) is only the latest version.
Craig
>GT is just an early '70s to mid '70s Manta.
Different Cars. One looks like a sports-car, the other is a coupe.
>--
>Chintan Amin <The University of Illinois UrbanaChampaign> mail: llama@uiuc.edu
>*******SIG UNDER CONSTRUCTION HARD HAT AREA********
From: boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle)
Subject: Re: $6700 for hail damage - a record?
Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx
Distribution: usa
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In article <1993Apr20.203219.7724@pencom.com> stecz@pencom.com writes:
>In article <1993Apr19.235711.7285@cactus.org> boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle)
>writes:
>>
>>
>> My 90 Integra was hit hard in the 3/25 hailstorm in Austin, TX.
>> The insurance company cut me a check for $6600 ($100 deductible)
>> last week.  Is this a record? Anybody else had settlements from
>> the same hailstorm yet?
>>
>> Craig
>
>
>Rumor has it that a guy at Dell Computer had his Miata totalled, so that would
>be about $10k.
I guess it either had the top down, or the hail ripped through the top, as
you could not do $10k worth of hail damage to a Miata body.
Craig
>
>
>--
>--
>  John Steczkowski                        stecz@pencom.com
>    The Constitution grants you the right to life, liberty, and the
>    *pursuit* of happiness.  It does not attempt to guarantee that
>    everyone *will* be happy.
From: yongje@hardy.u.washington.edu (Yong Je Lim)
Subject: Dealer cheated me with wrong odometer reading. Need help!
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
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Distribution: usa
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Here is a story.  I bought a car about two weeks ago.  I finally can
get hold of the previous owner of the car and got all maintanence
history of the car.  In between '91 and '92, the instrument pannel
of the car has been replaced and the odometer also has been reset
to zero.  Therefore, the true meter reading is the reading before
replacement plus current mileage.  That shows 35000 mile difference
comparing to the mileage on the odometer disclosure from.  The
dealer never told me anything about that important story.
I hope that I can return the car with full refund.  Do u think this
is possible?  Does anyone have similar experiences?  Any comments
will be appreciated.  Thanks.
yongje@u.washington.edu
Subject: insurance question
From: <LIBEMC@BYUVM.BITNET>
Organization: Brigham Young University
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I'm about to buy a new car and finance some of it.  Since I paid
cash for the last car I bought I did not have to worry about
whether or not I had a good amount of insurance on it because
of a bank loan.  I just put the amount that I wanted (not what
a bank would have wanted).  Friends are telling me that banks
require some kind of insurance on the car to protect it since it
is collateral on loans.  Is this true?  Can that insurance be
gotten as part of my other insurance?  I assume I don't have to
pay a dealer for extra insurance over my regular car insurance.
Am I correct?  I hear about accident/health type insurance at
the dealers and I am pretty sure these are just money makers
for them.  I just want to verify that I don't _have_ to buy
these at all.  Or any other types of extras.
What do I have to pay for?  Car, tax, license.  Anything else?
Ellen
From: rmt6r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Roy Matthew Thigpen)
Subject: Re: Ad said Nissan Altima best seller?
Organization: University of Virginia
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boyle@cactus.org  writes:
> In article <1qv7mn$dql@menudo.uh.edu> thang@harebell.egr.uh.edu (Chin-Heng  Thang) writes:
> >	Recently, I saw an ad for the altima which says that it is the
> >best seller for the past 6 months, is that true?
> >
>
> I too was puzzled by this obvious untruth. What I think is going on is that
> Nissan claims that the Altima is "the best selling new car namelplate in
> the US" (I think I have this near verbatim). Lee Iaccoca's statistics
> dept. would have been proud of that sentence. What they mean, I think, is
> that of all "totally new models", i.e. cars never sold before in any
> form, the Altima is the best seller, thereby eliminating Accord, Taurus
> etc.
THis is from the same people who make the claim that our minivan is outsellin
theirs.... implying that the Nissan Quest/ Murcury Villager are out-selling
the Chrysler mini-vans.... not only is this not true at all, but it was a stupid
claim to make... the commercial was part of the introduction campaign for the
vans.  Kind of a bold statement to make when you haven't even sold one yet, eh?
And I thought Buick and Oldsmobile where bad.  Shame on you Nissan and
Mercury!
>
> Any other interpretations?
>
>
> Craig
> >	 Does anyone has anyhting regarding the # of cars sold for the
> >past 6 months?
> >
> >
> >
> >tony
>
>
From: rmt6r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Roy Matthew Thigpen)
Subject: (w)rec.autos
Organization: University of Virginia
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There is just something disconcerting about the name of this group. :)
From: matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (Matthew MacIntyre at the National University of Senegal)
Subject: Re: Opel owners?
Organization: National University of Singapore
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X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
By the way, what do people think about the Opel CAlibra?
From: callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison)
Subject: Re: Too fast
Nntp-Posting-Host: uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA
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In article <1qqv7k$e5g@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes:
>In a previous article, callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) says:
>>In article <1qn4ev$3g2@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes:
>>>In a previous article, wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) says:
>>>
>>>>	That shows how much you know about anything.  The brakes on the
>>>>SHO are very different - 9 inch (or 9.5? I forget) discs all around,
>>>>vented in front.  The normal Taurus setup is (smaller) discs front,
>>>>drums rear.
>>>
>>>one i saw had vented rears too...it was on a lot.
>>>of course, the sales man was a fool..."titanium wheels"..yeah, right..
>>>then later told me they were "magnesium"..more believable, but still
>>>crap, since Al is so m uch cheaper, and just as good....
>>>
>>>i tend to agree, tho that this still doesn't take the SHO up to "standard"
>>>for running 130 on a regular basis.  The brakes should be bigger, like
>>>11" or so...take a look at the  ones on the Corrados.(where they have
>>>braking regulations).
>>
>>Well, let's see...my T-Bird SC has a computer-controlled adjustable
>>suspension, 4-wheel ABS disks (11" vented front, 10" (?) rear), 3-point
^^^^
Rears also vented
>>belts, sturdy passenger compartment, aerodynamics good enough for
>>NASCAR without too much change, 210 hp/310 ft-lb supercharged 3.8l V6,
>>4-wheel independent suspension (plus limited-slip differential), with
>>a top speed in excess of 130mph, and rides on V-rated tires (I have yet
>>to find 225/60-R16s in any other speed rating).
>>
>>Is that "up to standard"? If not, why not?
>
>james, i really hate to do this, but try reading the damn posts!
Then you shouldn't've done it. Try answering the damn question.
I am well aware of the fact that there was no mention of the SC
in there.
>never was a t'bird mentioned.  The discussion was about SHO's and
>'stangs not being up to spec.  I do not know about t'birds.  I
>only know that the specs quoted for the SHO by previous poster sounded
>a little anemic for me to say that it was up to snuff.  This does not
>kn any way  disencourage* me from wishing to own one, nor does it make it
>a bad car.  It merely means that i think Ford could have added that extra
>bit of safety  and tossed in larger brakes, as the wheels are plenty large
>enough for them to fit (if memory serves right, which it may very well not)
>and the motor plenty powerful enough to need it.
Well, my point was that the SC and the SHO both have very similar
characteristics (front and rear disks (ABS on the SHO?), high output
V6, 4-wheel independent suspension, very good aerodynamics, 3-point
harness, fat rubber, and 130mph+ top speed). If one of them is
up to standard (and I think the SC is), but the other isn't, then
why is that? No flamage, just curiousity.
James
James P. Callison    Microcomputer Coordinator, U of Oklahoma Law Center
Callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu   /\    Callison@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu
DISCLAIMER: I'm not an engineer, but I play one at work...
The forecast calls for Thunder...'89 T-Bird SC
"It's a hell of a thing, killing a man. You take away all he has
and all he's ever gonna have."
--Will Munny, "Unforgiven"
From: dlb5404@tamuts.tamu.edu (Daryl Biberdorf)
Subject: Plymouth Sundance/Dodge Shadow experiences?
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
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Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: tamuts.tamu.edu
Another user recently requested info about the Shadow/Sundance
cars, but I haven't seen any public responses.
What are people's experiences with these cars?
Daryl
Daryl Biberdorf  N5GJM    d-biberdorf@tamu.edu
+ Sola Gratia + Sola Fide + Sola Scriptura
From: mart@csri.toronto.edu (Mart Molle)
Subject: Re: Changing oil by self.
Distribution: mxmsd
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bobml@mxmsd.msd.measurex.com (Bob LaGesse) writes:
[Long silly discussion deleted...]
>                              And while you're at it, why bother with removing
>the drain plug when you could remove the dipstick instead and suck it out from
>there with your mouth and then spit it out?
This suggestion isn't as far-fetched as it sounds.  Years ago in another
time and place, I used to do oil changes in boats powered by automotive
engines.  In many cases, there was no way to get any sort of a tray under
the oil pan because it was boxed in by the bottom of the hull and various
floation chambers on each side.  And if you *did* get something there, you'd
spill all the oil out of it for sure trying to get it back out again.
So we used a small pump powered by an electric drill to suck the oil out
the dipstick hole.  There was a long/thin hose on the inlet side designed
to fit down the dipstick tube, and another, thicker/shorter hose on the
outlet side that you put into any convenient container.  I'm sure these
gadgets are still available from marine hardware suppliers if you want one.
Mart L. Molle
Computer Systems Research Institute
University of Toronto
Toronto, Canada M5S 1A4
(416)978-4928
From: johnson@spectra.com (boyd johnson)
Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...
Organization: Spectragraphics Corporation
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In article <C5JGC4.AJJ@dove.nist.gov> keys@starchild.ncsl.nist.gov (Lawrence B. Keys) writes:
This isn't anything new.  Back in 1985 I was driving under a high
overpass at night on I-805 in San Diego when I caught a glimpse of
someone on the overpass.  As I passed under a rock slammed against the
metal between the winshield and right front window.  My girlfriend was
in the seat next to it.  I called the police from the next exit, but I
doubt if they were found.
About five years ago in San Diego someone was put into a coma from a
brick being thrown through his sunroof as he was driving and
subsequently crashed.  I don't think he ever came out of the coma, and I
haven't heard anything about it for a couple years.
>I know that this isn't the group for it, but since you brought it up,
>does anyone have any idea why they haven't "bombed" the Waco cult?
Probably because there are many children there.  Also the minor fact
that other than defending themselves from 100 some people attacking them
they haven't threatened or attacked anyone outside the compound in
years.  Being a promiscuous religious nut does not constitute grounds
for a mass murder of Koresh and his followers.
Sorry for posting this to this group, but I thought the previous post
needed a rebuttal.  If you follow-up to this portion please cross-post
and direct follow-ups to a more appropriate newsgroup.
--
====== Boyd Johnson   nosc!spectra.com!johnson  San Diego, California ======
Intermittent newsfeed at best and only to selected groups.
My opinions certainly don't match those of my employer.
From: pamuelle@ingr.com ( Phil Mueller )
Subject: Re: Used BMW Question ..... ???
Organization: Intergraph
Lines: 29
In article <1993Apr12.230031.160616@ua1ix.ua.edu> rpaturi@ho12.eng.ua.edu (Ravi) writes:
>
>Hi,
>I am dying to get the  answer for the pricing polocy of a dealer
>here  in San Jose, California (I moved to caal  from AL)
You moved from Alabama to California?  My sympathies.
>Year	Model	Description		Milage	Price
>1991	318	Black, "Looks" good     46K	10.6K
>		5sp  manual, AC,
>		Cassette, Sun roof
>
>1989	318	White  same as aboove   50K	 9.6K
>
Make sure that they have all maintenance records.  Oil should be changed
every 3 months.  The mileage on the cars is fine.
Be sure that these have the 16 valve engine.  The 8 valve 318 is a
BMW in name only.
Didn't you have a line on a '89 325i for 12K? Jump on it.
--
Phil Mueller    pamuelle@ingr.com   -OR-   pamuelle@nc2145.b30.ingr.com
AMA: 686532   DOD: 132569   1991 Suzuki Bandit   1977 BMW R100/7
From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr)
Subject: Re: saturn -- puzzled by its pricing
Distribution: na
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Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta
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In article <1993Mar31.181813.24122@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen) writes:
>In article <1pcgv5$oj9@armory.centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes:
>>jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen) writes:
>>>Because I want to get the lowest price possible, it's called capitalism.
>>
>>I have news for you -- capitalism is the practice of maximizing
>>profits.
>
>Same difference, if you lower your costs you increase your profits.
>
>>Personally I'm not at all bothered by the Saturn pricing scheme.  If I
>>don't want to pay as much as they're selling it for, I can go buy a
>>different car from a different dealer and they get nothing.  That's
>>competition for you.  If the dealer can be competitive charging what
>>they do and making that kind of profit, that's capitalism at it's best
>>and more power to 'em.
>>
>
>I'd rather have the consumer dictate what things will cost not the
>dealers.
Sorry, but *neither* 'dictates' the cost. It's a negotiation.
Whether it's up front at a honda dealership in an all out
dickering war, or more removed on a larger economic scale
(ie, if saturn can't sell at it's price, the price drops,
or the company stops building them), it remains a negotiated
value controlled by market forces. To think that the consumer
controls price is ludicrous. If the consumer controled
price, then cars would be *free*...And no one would build
cars.
Regards, Charles
--
Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of
separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time,
struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing
gourd. --Unknown net.person
From: Kurt Godden <godden@gmr.com>
Subject: GM May Build Toyota-badged Car
Organization: GM R&D
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Distribution: world
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X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d16
X-XXMessage-ID: <A7F46B03C301085E@ksg.cs.gmr.com>
X-XXDate: Fri, 16 Apr 93 13:54:11 GMT
This appeared today in the
The Japan Economic Journal reported GM plans to build a Toyota-badged car
in the US for sale in Japan.  Bruce MacDonald, VP of GM Corporate
Communications, yesterday confirmed that GM President and CEO Jack Smith
had a meeting recently with Tatsuro Toyoda, President of Toyota.
this meeting the two discussed business opportunities to increase GM
exports to Japan, including further component sales as well as completed
vehicle sales,
parts sales, the two presidents agreed conceptually to pursue an
arrangement whereby GM would build a Toyota-badged, right-hand drive
vehicle in the US for sale by Toyota in Japan.  A working group has been
formed to finalize model specifications, exact timing and other details.
From: sorlin@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven J Orlin)
Subject: Re: Changing oil by self.
Nntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University
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In article <1993Apr15.193712.25996@news.cs.brandeis.edu> andyh@chaos.cs.brandei
s.edu (Andrew J. Huang) writes:
>In article <1993Apr15.020356.28944@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> sorlin@magnus.ac
s.ohio-state.edu (Steven J Orlin) writes:
>>I take the electrodes of the Amp/Ohm/Volt meter whatever and connect one
>>to each earlobe.  Then, symmetrically insert my fingers in each of the
>>spark plug boots. No cheating guys!  both hands must be used!
>
>I have just a couple of questions about this technique.
>
>First, what firing order should I use?  Do I start with my pointer
>finger or my pinky?  Left hand or right?
Place your hands flat on a table, and arrange the firing order from left to
right.
>And secondly, I have a 12cyl and there are two cylinders unaccounted
>for.  Any suggestions?
Well, you have friends don't you???
12 cylinders might be more excitement than one person can take....
From: danmg@grok85.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Daniel Adams)
Subject: Re: BMW 3 series for 94?
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Reply-To: dan@Grok85.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM
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In article <1qll56INNp9r@uwm.edu>, qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Aamir Hafeez Qazi) writes:
|> From article <eabu288-140493210752@dialin33635.slip.nts.uci.edu>, by eabu288@orion.oac.uci.edu (Alvin):
|> >
|> > Is there going to be a BMW 328 in 1994?
|>
|> --Could be.  Isn't the 2.5 liter six supposed to be enlarged to 2.8 liters
|>   in the not-too-distant future?
|>
Makes sense, since the new Mercedes Benz engines go from 2.2L-4 to a 2.8L-6.
Nothing in between.  BTW, I beleive the numbers on those MB engines are
156 and 225 hp respectively.  The one-upmanship in hp might induce BMW
to create a larger six.  Also, the 2.6 190E has lagged behind the 3-er
2.5 for some time wrt hp.   I am sure the Bavarians wouldn't want to be
"shown-up" by the Schwabians.
PS- those MB engines haven't been released over here yet.
daniel
From: dcd@se.houston.geoquest.slb.com (Dan Day)
Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...
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In article <C5K9M5.7Ku@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) writes:
>
>If I hear someone screwing with my car (ie, setting off the alarm) and
>taunting me to come out, you can be damn sure that my Colt Delta Elite
>will also be coming with me. It's not the screwing with the car that'd
>get them shot, it's the potential physical danger. If they're
>taunting like that, it's very possible that they also intend to rob
>me and/or do other physically harmful things.
Here in Houston last year a woman heard the sound of someone in her
garage, so she went to investigate with a gun in her hand.  She
found a guy in the process of stealing her bicycle.  She quite
reasonably asked him to stop.  He refused, began taunting her, and
as the woman was quoted in the police report, "He told me to go
ahead and shoot him, so I did."  The moron survived, and no
charges were filed against the woman.
From: gwm@spl1.spl.loral.com (Gary W. Mahan)
Subject: Re: It's a rush... (was Re: Too fast)
Organization: Loral Software Productivity Laboratory
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>Why should a good driver be terrified at 130mph? The only thing I fear
>going at 130 are drivers, who switch to the left lane without using
>either rear-view-mirror or flashers. Doing 130 to 150 ain't a rush
>for me, but it's fun and I get where I want to go much faster.
In defense of the drivers, who are in the right lane.  Here in the states, people simply do not expect when they are driving to be overtaken at a speed differential of 50+mph.  I don't think this is because they are stupid (of course, there are exceptions), they are just programmed because of the 55mph limit. Do you (in the states) when you look in the rear-view ALWAYS calculate future  positions of cars based on a 50+ speed differential.
Dont get me wrong, I love to drive in the left lane fast but when I overtake
cars who are on the right, I slow down a tad bit. If I were to rely on the judgement of the other car, to recognize the speed differential, I would be the stupid one.
BTW, If no one else is around, then GO FOR IT!.
From: arm1@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (arlen.r.martin)
Subject: Squeekin' Windows
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
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Consumer Reports once wrote about the S-10 Blazer that it "shook and rattled
like a tired taxi cab".  There is one noise that is expecially irritating -
the back window squeaks.  I believe its because the whole tailgate assembly
and window are not solid.  Anyway, has anyone had the same problem, and have
you found any fixes?
Arlen Martin
AT&T Microelectronics
att!attme!stcarm
(215)391-2531
From: bbenson@sscvx1.ssc.gov
Subject: Re: mazda - just does not feel right
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In article <mxm1003.734826257@msi.umn.edu>, mxm1003@s15.msi.umn.edu (Ram V. Mohan) writes:
> I've a 89 mazda 323 with about 42000 miles on it.  Recently I do not get
> a good feeling of the road, esp. on a wet pavement when driving the car.
> It feels as if the car is wandering and there is no grip on the road.
> The tires are the original ones and have threads on them (passes the
> penny head test).  I had the shocks and struts and alignment checked and
> things are fine.  However I feel like that I dont have the grip of the
> road and feel as if the car is wandering esp. on turns.  Any help
> in this is appreciated.  Thanks.
>
Two shots at it: (1) Check the tires again - if you can see the wear bars,
you're down to problem area (and some tires pass a penny test between the
bars - that's no guide at all). Your problem in the wet is call hydroplaning.
You may not have enough tread left to channel water out from under the
tire - so it goes fishy on you as it lifts off the road.
(2) Tires age. In particular, soft tire compounds get harder as you put
them thru more heat cycles. Harder compounds don't grip as well as
soft ones. Effect is very noticable on tires that get very hot very
often, such as in competition, but it hits all tires.
Bob Benson
From: bhaskar@orion.me.uiuc.edu (Bhaskar Manda)
Subject: Re: It's a rush... (was Re: Too fast)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
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gwm@spl1.spl.loral.com (Gary W. Mahan) writes:
>>Why should a good driver be terrified at 130mph? The only thing I fear
>>going at 130 are drivers, who switch to the left lane without using
>>either rear-view-mirror or flashers. Doing 130 to 150 ain't a rush
>>for me, but it's fun and I get where I want to go much faster.
>In defense of the drivers, who are in the right lane.  Here in the states, people simply do not expect when they are driving to be overtaken at a speed differential of 50+mph.  I don't think this is because they are stupid (of course, there are exceptions), they are just programmed because of the 55mph limit. Do you (in the states) when you look in the rear-view ALWAYS calculate future  positions of cars based on a 50+ speed differential.
>Dont get me wrong, I love to drive in the left lane fast but when I overtake
>cars who are on the right, I slow down a tad bit. If I were to rely on the judgement of the other car, to recognize the speed differential, I would be the stupid one.
>BTW, If no one else is around, then GO FOR IT!.
Keep up the good work guys.
Afterall the cops need to be occupied with someone so that lesser
mortals like us can be left alone.
Bhaskar@orion.me.uiuc.edu
From: callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison)
Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time
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In article <24485@drutx.ATT.COM> klf@druwa.ATT.COM (FranklinKL) writes:
>In article <C5HHGM.1rM@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu>, callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) writes:
>| In article <1993Apr13.215605.26252@slcs.slb.com> dcd@se.houston.geoquest.slb.com (Dan Day) writes:
>| >In article <1q4466INNb85@ctron-news.ctron.com> smith@ctron.com writes:
>| >>
>| >>It's a big aftermarket business.  Almost no cars come from the factory with
>| >>vynal any more, and any fake "convertible" job _definitely_ came from some
>| >>aftermarket place.  What amazes me is how much people are willing to pay for
>| >>bad taste
>| >
>| >How about those really ugly fake wheel compartments stuck onto the
>| >trunk or side (or both sides!) of some tacky luxury cars?
>|
>| Some of 'em aren't fake (if you're talking about the Continental kit,
>| named after the Lincoln Continental, the first car to sport one). I
>| personally would _love_ to have a '56 T-Bird with a Continental kit
>| (and the supercharged V-8 :-); that is one of the most beautiful
>| cars ever built, IMHO.
>|
>| 				James
>|
>
>The Continental may have been the first "modern era" auto to mount the
>spare on the rear of the car but it was hardly the first car to sport one.
>Various mounting techniques for rear mounting the spare were quite common
>in early automobiles, both US and Foreign.
The 1941 Lincoln Continental was the first car to sport the "continental
kit." The continental kit is not to be confused with ye olde outside
mounting bracket; a continental kit is a very specific ornament/storage
compartment. (The 1941 Continental has a neat trunk; it looks rather
like a laundry hamper, IMHO. :-)
James
James P. Callison    Microcomputer Coordinator, U of Oklahoma Law Center
Callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu   /\    Callison@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu
DISCLAIMER: I'm not an engineer, but I play one at work...
The forecast calls for Thunder...'89 T-Bird SC
"It's a hell of a thing, killing a man. You take away all he has
and all he's ever gonna have."
--Will Munny, "Unforgiven"
From: callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison)
Subject: Re: SHO and SC
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In article <1993Apr15.232412.2261@ganglion.ann-arbor.mi.us> david@ganglion.ann-arbor.mi.us (David Hwang) writes:
>In article <5214@unisql.UUCP> wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:
>>In article <chrissC587qB.D1B@netcom.com> chriss@netcom.com (Chris Silvester) writes:
>>
>>>WAGON, which I have heard is somehow slightly faster than the Coupe.
>>
>>	Wagon has an automatic, it's slower.
>>
>Could be due to the rear-end ratio also.
>
>Usually automatics have different rear-ends than manuals, from
>my limited experience anyways.
You'll have fun looking for the rear-end gears on an SHO--the Taurus
is a front-wheel-drive vehicle...
I went back and checked the article again; The SHO Wagon is quicker
than the SHO automatic, but significantly slower than the REAL SHO.
Why anyone would order an SHO with an automatic transmission is
beyond me; if you can't handle a stick, you should stick with a
regular Taurus and leave the SHO to real drivers. That is not to
say that there aren't real drivers who can't use the stick (eg
disabled persons), but they aren't in any position to use an
SHO anyway.
I would be willing to bet that if we removed the automatic
transmissions from all "performance-type" cars (like the 5.0l
Mustangs, Camaros, and the like) we'd cut down on the number of
accidents each year. Autos are fine for sedate little sedans,
but they have no business in performance cars, IMHO.
James
James P. Callison    Microcomputer Coordinator, U of Oklahoma Law Center
Callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu   /\    Callison@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu
DISCLAIMER: I'm not an engineer, but I play one at work...
The forecast calls for Thunder...'89 T-Bird SC
"It's a hell of a thing, killing a man. You take away all he has
and all he's ever gonna have."
--Will Munny, "Unforgiven"
From: opuglies@academ01.mty.itesm.mx (Ing. Orlando Pugliese)
Subject: Is this a good price ?
Organization: ITESM, Campus Monterrey
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NNTP-Posting-Host: mtecv2.mty.itesm.mx
Hi everybody,
I will buy a Honda Civic EX Coupe.  The dealer ask $12,750 for it,
including A/C ( installed ), but not including stereo, tax, registration
fees.  I live in Mexico, so I don't have time to go to a lot of dealers
and compare their prices.  The dealer is in McAllen, Tx.  Is this a good
price for that car ?  If not, how much should I pay for it ?
Please e-mail ASAP if you don't want to post.  Thanks a lot.
Orlando Pugliese
opuglies@mtecv2.mty.itesm.mx
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From: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade)
Subject: Re: Plymouth Sundance/Dodge Shadow experiences?
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Distribution: usa
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In article <1qmq7tINN9l@tamsun.tamu.edu> dlb5404@tamuts.tamu.edu (Daryl Biberdorf) writes:
>Another user recently requested info about the Shadow/Sundance
>cars, but I haven't seen any public responses.
>
>What are people's experiences with these cars?
>
>Daryl
>
they are pretty much junk, stay away from them.  they will be replaced next
year with all new models.
From: smartin@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (steven.c.martin)
Subject: Re: Car buying story, was: Christ, another dealer service scam...
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
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From article <1993Apr16.162950.25849@newsgate.sps.mot.com>, by markm@bigfoot.sps.mot.com (Mark Monninger):
> This kind of behavior is what I was shocked by in my 'experience'. For
> crying out loud, how do these turkeys think they can talk to customers
> this way and still stay in business? Again, I don't expect sales people to
> bow, scrape, and grovel in my presence but I sure don't expect to be
> abused either. I was very surprised by the way the sales people talked to
> me and in other 'negotiating' sessions I overheard in neighboring sales
> cubicles. Evidently, their success rate is high enough that they continue
> to do business this way. There must be a lot of people out there who are
> easy to intimidate.
>
A couple of months ago I went to a dealership to test drive a car.  Afterwards,
we sat down to discuss prices.  I explained that I wanted a car just like the
one I drove, but in a different color.  He said he could get one exactly like
I wanted from the dealer network within a day.  We then negotiated a price and
signed the deal.
Next day, I get a call.  He explains that they goofed, and they had neglected
to take into account a price increase. (The last price increase had occurred
over 4 months prior to my visit.)  If I still wanted the car, I would
have to fork over another $700.  As an alternative, they would honor the
price if I bought the car I test drove (which had been sitting around for
6 months and had a few miles on it). I said goodbye.  This was a good
example of how they can lowball you and still cover their butts.  It's too
bad more people don't demand honesty or these types of dealers would
no longer be in business.
The next dealership I went to was straightforward and honest.  First thing the
salesman said was, "Lets's see what you have for dealer cost and work out
how much profit I should make."  The deal went through with no problems.
Steve
From: al@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Alan Peterman)
Subject: Re: "ELECTRONIC" ODOMETER
Organization: SCN Research/Qic Laboratories of Tigard, Oregon.
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In article <C5Fp8B.2Co@megatest.com> alung@megatest.com (Aaron Lung) writes:
>If I'm not mistaken, altering the odometer is *illegal*.  Furthermore,
>I surmise it'll be tough to alter BMW's odometer if you got at it.
>Some of the newer BMW's have electronic odometers making it even
>more tamperproof.
On the cars mentioned - 3 series from the late 80's the "electronic"
odometer is really a mechanical drum type odometer, that is driven
by pulses from a speed sensor on the rear axle.  These pulses are
converted into mechanical pulses that turn the odometer - and speedometer.
No way changing or erasing an eprom is going to change the mileage
reading.  It also means the odometer is just as easy (or hard) to
change as any other mechanical odometer.
On the other hand it is a bit easier to disconnect the speed sensor
and run the car with no speedometer or odometer reading...a simple
switch will do the job.  It also will disable the speed limiter,
which will enable the car to reach it's full speed.  ;-)
--
Alan L. Peterman                                 (503)-684-1984 hm & work
al@qiclab.scn.rain.com
It's odd how as I get older, the days are longer, but the years are shorter!
From: baker@DFWVX1.DALLAS.GEOQUEST.SLB.COM
Subject: insurance says car is totalled.
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on wednesday morning, another driver decided to illegally
turn left in front of me, doing great damage to my car
(Honda Civic).
i have yet to pay off the car, and the body shop says the
insurance company wants to total the car.  i haven't
been able to get in touch with the person handling my claim,
so i checked on some things:
1) my payout is $3700.00
2) Blue Book retail is $5650.00
3) loan value is $4450.00
4) trade-in value is $4000.00
could anyone give me any advice on what i should/could do
if the insurance company does not give me a reasonable
amount for the loss of the car.
thanks,
james baker
baker@dfwvx1.dallas.geoquest.slb.com
From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr)
Subject: Options that would be great to have...
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A list of options that would be useful. They can be existing
options on a car, or things you'd like to have...
1) Tripmeter, great little gadget. Lets you keep rough track of
mileage, makes a good second guesser for your gas gauge...
2) Full size spare
3) Built in mountings and power systems for radar detectors.
4) a fitting that allows you to generate household current with
the engine running, and plug ins in the trunk, engine compartment
and cabin.
Feel free to add on...
Regards, Charles
x
--
Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of
separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time,
struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing
gourd. --Unknown net.person
From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr)
Subject: Dumb options list
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The idea here is to list pointless options. You know, stuff you
get on a car that has no earthly use?
1) Power windows
Add as you wish...
Regards, Charles
--
Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of
separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time,
struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing
gourd. --Unknown net.person
From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Subject: Re: It's a rush... (was Re: Too fast)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
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In a previous article, gwm@spl1.spl.loral.com (Gary W. Mahan) says:
>>Why should a good driver be terrified at 130mph? The only thing I fear
>>going at 130 are drivers, who switch to the left lane without using
>>either rear-view-mirror or flashers. Doing 130 to 150 ain't a rush
>>for me, but it's fun and I get where I want to go much faster.
>
>In defense of the drivers, who are in the right lane.  Here in the states, people simply do not expect when they are driving to be overtaken at a speed differential of 50+mph.  I don't think this is because they are stupid (of course, there are exceptions), they are just programmed because of the 55mph limit. Do you (in the states) when you look in the rear-view ALWAYS calculate future  positions of cars based on a 50+ speed differential.
>Dont get me wrong, I love to drive in the left lane fast but when I overtake
>cars who are on the right, I slow down a tad bit. If I were to rely on the judgement of the other car, to recognize the speed differential, I would be the stupid one.
just to satiate my curiosity, why would this make you the stupid one?  It seems
to me, everybody SHOULD be aware enough of what is going on.  You do not need
to calculate the future position.  You need to look at your mirrors a little
more.  If you glance around, you will be able to tell how much faster than you
the car is going.  Maybe not precisely, but well enough to know if you should
let him around before you try to pass.  I know what you are talking about,
about the other driver being startled, because i myself have been startled
by drivers cruising by at around 90-100mph when i'm doin 55-65.  The problem,
though, as i saw it, was not their fault for barreling around me, but my fault
for not paying the attention to my task-at-hand that i should have been.
Oddly enough, since the 2nd time(happened 2x in around 4 mo. when i'd had my
liscence for around 6 mo), i haven't been startled..and i've been passed by
cars doing roughly twice the speed of my car.  Another odd occurance is the
fact that this only seems to happen on LONG trips...and if i drive along with
them, it doesn't happen at all :-) even on the long trips! :-)  (adrenaline
will do that to you...i've had bad cop experiences with speeding, so anything
over the limit is adrenalizing for me...scared i'll get caught :-)  Maybe
they should raise the limit, so we can pay better attention.....
just curious, and my .otwo
DREW
From: jburrill@boi.hp.com (Jim Burrill)
Subject: Re: Squeekin' Windows
Distribution: usa
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arlen.r.martin (arm1@cbnewsm.cb.att.com) wrote:
: Consumer Reports once wrote about the S-10 Blazer that it "shook and rattled
: like a tired taxi cab".  There is one noise that is expecially irritating -
: the back window squeaks.  I believe its because the whole tailgate assembly
: and window are not solid.  Anyway, has anyone had the same problem, and have
: you found any fixes?
:
I can relate to this. I've tried everything on my 86, greasing every point,
WD40, etc. Grease on the two cheap hinges on the tailgate seems to quiet it
down for a time, until the grease works out of the hinges. (Hinge pins appear
to be made out of 16 penny nails!)
Another vibration seems to get worse with age, and that is a vibration in the
transmission in 4th gear. My S10 has 59K miles on it. I bought it new, treated
it very easily, no fast off-road stuff. Can't GM build Chevies like they used
to? Ford Explorers look nice, until you look at the price.
Jim Burrill
From: mje@pookie.pass.wayne.edu (Michael J. Edelman)
Subject: Re: Saturn's Pricing Policy
Organization: Wayne State University
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I just ordered a Saturn SL1 after considering a few imports. Frankly, the Saturn
way of doing business and service was a *very* big plus. I hadn't bought a new
car since I bought my Honda 4WD back in '85, and I was unbelieveably offended by
most salespeople I met.
Saturn was indeed very different. I made three different visits to the dealer where
I bought my car, and was never pressured. Saturn also had the best after-sales
support, and the fixed pricing made it *very* easy for me to decide exactly what
I wanted to buy. Another big selling point was running into my mechanic at the
dealer. He's been fixing imports for 20 years...and bought a Saturn, based on
what he's seen and heard from his customers.
Saturn also has a good extended warranty program; $675 for 6 year/60K miles,
fully refunded if you don't use it. That works out to an actual cost of $170 or
so, based on the 6 year treasury rates. Using savings account rates it's more
like $120. In the first three years it also buys you free rental during any
warranty work, without counting against the refund.
--mike
From: a207706@moe.dseg.ti.com (Robert Loper)
Subject: Re: SHO and SC
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In article <C5L8rE.28@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) writes:
>In article <1993Apr15.232412.2261@ganglion.ann-arbor.mi.us> david@ganglion.ann-arbor.mi.us (David Hwang) writes:
>>In article <5214@unisql.UUCP> wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:
>>>In article <chrissC587qB.D1B@netcom.com> chriss@netcom.com (Chris Silvester) writes:
>>>
>
>Why anyone would order an SHO with an automatic transmission is
>beyond me; if you can't handle a stick, you should stick with a
>regular Taurus and leave the SHO to real drivers. That is not to
>say that there aren't real drivers who can't use the stick (eg
>disabled persons), but they aren't in any position to use an
>SHO anyway.
>
>I would be willing to bet that if we removed the automatic
>transmissions from all "performance-type" cars (like the 5.0l
>Mustangs, Camaros, and the like) we'd cut down on the number of
>accidents each year. Autos are fine for sedate little sedans,
>but they have no business in performance cars, IMHO.
>
>				James
>
I have to disagree with this.  I have a 92 Z28 with a 350 and a 4-speed auto
w/ overdrive, and it is really better that way.  Chevy autos are reknowned
for their long life and ability to handle copious amount of power.  I live
in the Dallas area, and a manual would be much harder to drive in the traffic
here.  Now if I still lived out in the sticks like I used to, a manual would be
more fun.
Safety-wise, an auto is less distracting...I would hate to have to be
shifting gears while I was trying to ease into traffic in the freeways here.
Performance-wise, I can hold my own against any stock 5.0 Mustang or 5.0
Camaro w/ a five speed.
All of this IMHO... :)
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*  Robert L. Loper             * - Infinity is a notion best contemplated    *
*  ROBERTLL@FLOPN2.dseg.ti.com *      in a warm bed.                         *
*  Texas Instruments, Inc.     * - My opinions are my own, not TI's.         *
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Subject: Re: Too fast
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA
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In article <1qkon8$3re@armory.centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes:
>larger engine.  That's what the SHO is -- a slightly modified family
>sedan with a powerful engine.  They didn't even bother improving the
>*brakes.*
That shows how much you know about anything.  The brakes on the
SHO are very different - 9 inch (or 9.5? I forget) discs all around,
vented in front.  The normal Taurus setup is (smaller) discs front,
drums rear.
Your argument still boils down to "An SHO shouldn't be driven
fast because I, Jim Frost, say it isn't designed to go fast."
Pffffftttttt.
>If you think so you sure don't pay attention to my postings.
Damn straight.  You're one of those people who makes stuff
up and tries to pawn it off as God's own truth.  If I want lies I can
go listen to television.
the wharf rat
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Subject: Re: Where can I get a New York taxi?
Distribution: na
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA
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In article <15631@ncrcan.Canada.NCR.CA> tnelson@ncrcan.Canada.NCR.CA (Tim Nelson) writes:
>The older NY taxis were made by the Checker Car Company, and I would love
>to have one.
>Or, is the Checker Car Company still in business?
Checker Motors went out of business in 1982.  It's hard to get
old Checkers that are worth restoring, since almost every one was
a fleet vehicle that was driven into the ground.  If you can get a
body in decent shape the mechanicals should all be available _somewhere_ -
Checker used whatever parts were around.  For instance, I had a Chevy
straight six and a GMC Truck radiator and a Ford rear in mine.
>
>The model that I am looking for is the Checker Marathon.
Actually, you want a Checker Special if you can find one.
Good luck.  I'm sorry I let mine go...
From: gregg@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Gregg L. Kasten)
Subject: differences in insurance companies' rates
Keywords: insurance
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: ca
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I am considering buying an new car, so I called three insurance
companies in California to get estimates. I asked for the same
coverage and same deductibles. Most of the companies charge you
according to your zip code. Others charge according to your city.
Anyhow, I gave the same zip code and city to all three places. Here's
what I found (for a '93 Integra GS):
AAA: ~$2000/yr.
State Farm: 2614.92/yr.
Allstate: 1220/yr.
AAA is non-profit, so they said I could also expect to receive about
$200-300 back at the end of the year.
Still, There is a huge gap between all of these companies. State Farm
wants MORE than TWICE as much as Allstate. I think I should be
suspicious, but I've never heard anybody else complain.
Any comments?
Thanks,
Gregg L. Kasten
gregg@cs.stanford.edu
From: hamachi@adobe.com (Gordon Hamachi)
Subject: Re: Honda Accord Brake Problem
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
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Joni Ciarletta writes
> My Honda Accord just hit the magic 100,000 mile mark and now
> all sorts of things are beginning to go bad. The latest problem
> I am experiencing is with my brakes.  They still stop the
> car fine, but once I am stopped completely, my brake pedal
> will sink another 2 or 3 inches all by itself.  If feels really
> strange, and I am worried my brakes will quit working one of
> these days.
>
> I checked my brake fluid, and the reservoir was full, but the
> fluid itself looked really dirty (like dirty oil).  I called
> my mechanic and he told me I need a new brake master cylinder,
> which will cost me a whopping $250-300.
You are not alone.  My '79 Honda Accord with 110,000 miles on it started
showing the same behavior.
I replaced the brake master cylinder myself.  It took about an hour and cost
about $45.  Sure beats paying $300 to have someone else do it!  If I wanted to
rebuild my own master cylinder instead of putting in a rebuilt one, it would
have cost only $20 to $30 for the rebuild kit.
The Honda brake master cylinder is easy to get to.  Two bolts attach it to the
engine compartment.  Two brake lines enter the master cylinder.  The tricky
part was that the brake lines were stuck tight.  My Craftsmen open end wrench
rounded off the bolt heads!  I had to use Vise Grips to loosen those suckers.
Wow!  Best invention since sliced bread.  After that it was very easy.  Bolt
the new part in place, add new brake fluid, and bleed the brakes.
This is quite easy even for a beginner.  My local auto parts store had a repair
manual for the Honda Accord; it had detailed diagrams of the master brake
cylinder and a step-by-step procedure for replacing it.
From: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker)
Subject: Re: Options that would be great to have...
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In a previous article, parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) says:
A list of options that would be useful. They can be existing
options on a car, or things you'd like to have...
1) Tripmeter, great little gadget. Lets you keep rough track of>
mileage, makes a good second guesser for your gas gauge...
2) Full size spare
3) Built in mountings and power systems for radar detectors.
4) a fitting that allows you to generate household current with
the engine running, and plug ins in the trunk, engine compartment
and cabin.
Feel free to add on...
5) Power windows
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The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of
thinking we were at when we created them.   - Albert Einstein
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From: mje@pookie.pass.wayne.edu (Michael J. Edelman)
Subject: Manual Shift Bigots
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Now, my ego with regards to my shifting ability is as big as anyone else's, but
I just ordered my first car with an auto trans. I wasn't planning on it; but
after driving a few I was convinced: Things have changed since the days of
"Slip 'n' Slide Withe Powerglide". They shift *better* than I do, there's no
clutch to wear out (Honda wanted $800 for my 4WD wagon last year!- got it done
for $500), it only costs about 5% in gas milage on the highway and it makes it
easier to concentrate on all the radios in my car ;-)
(Oddly enough, while two of my best friends- both in the auto industry here in the
Motor City- have switched wholeheartedly to autos, their wives *insist* on
manual. Shift envy?)
Braggadocio aside, given today's technology and the warranties they're handing
out the auto trans seemed like an excellent choice. Call me a convert.
--mike
From: mje@pookie.pass.wayne.edu (Michael J. Edelman)
Subject: Re: Saturn 91-92 Manual Transmission Problem
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In article KA6@crdnns.crd.ge.com,  cimjfg@sn370.utica.ge.com writes:
."
>
>After many trips to the dealer, who has admittedly been patient with me,
>they are admittedly going to do nothing about it....>
>The dealer did however follow the Bulletin and "review proper shifing
>procedures with the owner"....
>My next attempt at satisfaction in the Customer 800 number but from the first
>round it doesn't sound too hopeful.
>
I'm surprised. I know of a local case where a guy took his Saturn back five
times to complain they hadn't properly eliminated a rattling noise...so Saturn
gave him a new car.
Call that 1-800 number.
From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Subject: Re: Too fast
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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In a previous article, wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) says:
>In article <1qkon8$3re@armory.centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes:
>>larger engine.  That's what the SHO is -- a slightly modified family
>>sedan with a powerful engine.  They didn't even bother improving the
>>*brakes.*
>
>	That shows how much you know about anything.  The brakes on the
>SHO are very different - 9 inch (or 9.5? I forget) discs all around,
>vented in front.  The normal Taurus setup is (smaller) discs front,
>drums rear.
one i saw had vented rears too...it was on a lot.
of course, the sales man was a fool..."titanium wheels"..yeah, right..
then later told me they were "magnesium"..more believable, but still
crap, since Al is so m uch cheaper, and just as good....
i tend to agree, tho that this still doesn't take the SHO up to "standard"
for running 130 on a regular basis.  The brakes should be bigger, like
11" or so...take a look at the  ones on the Corrados.(where they have
braking regulations).
DREW
From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Subject: Re: SHO and SC
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In a previous article, a207706@moe.dseg.ti.com (Robert Loper) says:
>In article <C5L8rE.28@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) writes:
>>In article <1993Apr15.232412.2261@ganglion.ann-arbor.mi.us> david@ganglion.ann-arbor.mi.us (David Hwang) writes:
>>>In article <5214@unisql.UUCP> wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:
>>>>In article <chrissC587qB.D1B@netcom.com> chriss@netcom.com (Chris Silvester) writes:
>>>>
>>
>>Why anyone would order an SHO with an automatic transmission is
>>beyond me; if you can't handle a stick, you should stick with a
>>regular Taurus and leave the SHO to real drivers. That is not to
>>say that there aren't real drivers who can't use the stick (eg
>>disabled persons), but they aren't in any position to use an
>>SHO anyway.
>>
>>I would be willing to bet that if we removed the automatic
>>transmissions from all "performance-type" cars (like the 5.0l
>>Mustangs, Camaros, and the like) we'd cut down on the number of
>>accidents each year. Autos are fine for sedate little sedans,
>>but they have no business in performance cars, IMHO.
>>
>>				James
>>
>I have to disagree with this.  I have a 92 Z28 with a 350 and a 4-speed auto
>w/ overdrive, and it is really better that way.  Chevy autos are reknowned
>for their long life and ability to handle copious amount of power.  I live
>in the Dallas area, and a manual would be much harder to drive in the traffic
>here.  Now if I still lived out in the sticks like I used to, a manual would be
>more fun.
>
>Safety-wise, an auto is less distracting...I would hate to have to be
>shifting gears while I was trying to ease into traffic in the freeways here.
>Performance-wise, I can hold my own against any stock 5.0 Mustang or 5.0
>Camaro w/ a five speed.
>
>All of this IMHO... :)
all of my HO's disagree with your HO's.  I LOVED Dallas rush hour in my stick..
detested it in the auto(like i did any other time in the auto...).  Of course,
Dalls rush hours are nothing, from what i hear..if i lived in LA, i might
be of a different persuasion.  And, just for the record, rarely do you shift
gears when merging into traffic..that is what 5 speeds are good for..4th is
good up through around 80-90, most of the time, so you can just wind it out..
it's not going to hurt anything, and keeps it in the powerband anyway..
only shift into top gear when you are exceeding redline in 4th(fairly rare,
unless you drive a ferrari or some such, i'd bet) or when you hit cruising
speed where you feel comfortable(or when my mother is sitting in the
passanger seat complaining about how you wind her "poor little engine" way
too hi :-)
Just my HO's..
DREW
Organization: Penn State University
From: <LRR105@psuvm.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: Dents on car.
Lines: 5
All you have to do is turn it in to the police like you would an accident,
get a report and send it in to your insurance company and they will contact
the other guys insurance company and they will have to pay just as they
would in an accident they caused.  Thus no need to go to court.  A friend of
mine did this and he got the money so it does work.
From: rdb1@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (ronald.j.deblock..jr)
Subject: Re: Ultimate AWD vehicles
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
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In article <20726.2bcd8b62@ecs.umass.edu> sylveste@ecs.umass.edu writes:
>Before the S4 became the S4 it was called the 200 turbo quattro 20v.
>This model did come in a wagon, a very quick wagon.  Very rare also.
>
>                                                   Mike Sylvester  Umass
>
Yes, I saw a 200 Turbo Quattro wagon on I-287 in NJ on Monday.  I thought
Audi stopped selling wagons in the US after the 5000.  This is exactly the
type of vehicle I would like to own.  I bet its price is 4-5 times my
car budget.
--
Ron DeBlock  rdb1@homxb.att.com  (that's a number 1 in rdb1, not letter l)
AT&T Bell Labs   Somerset, NJ  USA
From: jao@megatest.com (John Oswalt)
Subject: Re: legal car buying problems
Organization: Megatest Corporation
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rboudrie@chpc.org (Rob Boudrie) writes:
: In article <9285.27317@stratus.SWDC.Stratus.COM> bob@runway.swdc.stratus.com (Bob Hutson) writes:
: >After agreeing to terms I signed the contract and drove home in my new
: >car.  Later that same night I noticed that the terms in the were
: >different from the terms I had agreed to.  (I made the stupid mistake
: >of not checking everything on the contract).  This all happened last
: >Saturday.
: >
: >I have heard that there is a "cooling-off" law allowing me three days
: >to reconsider the contract.  Is this true?  Can anyone point me to the
: >law?  The transaction happened at the dealership, if it matters.
:
: This cooling off period applies only in certain situations - lik ewhen
: you are solicited at home.  I also think the cooling off period ends
: if you actually accept the merchandise.
:
: If this were not the case, any car buyer would have the right to return
: a slightly used, highly devalued, car 2 days after buying it.  Yeah -
: that's the trick - if I want to buy a new car, I'd have a firend buy
: & return one, then go in and negotiate a better deal on a pre-owned
: used car.
However, if you agree some terms, and then, when about to sign, the
dealer slips you a contract with different terms, and leads you to
believe that it embodies the terms you verbally agreed to, that
is fraud.  There is no 3 day limit on restitution for fraud.
You may have to sue (and win) to get out of this.  You will almost
certainly have to threaten to sue.
--
John Oswalt        jao@megatest.com     or    jao@netcom.com
From: dreitman@oregon.uoregon.edu (Daniel R. Reitman, Attorney to Be)
Subject: Re: legal car buying problems
Organization: University of Oregon
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In article <1993Apr20.143930.13144@chpc.org>,
rboudrie@chpc.org (Rob Boudrie) writes...
>In article <9285.27317@stratus.SWDC.Stratus.COM>
> bob@runway.swdc.stratus.com (Bob Hutson) writes:
>>After agreeing to terms I signed the contract and drove home in my new
>>car.  Later that same night I noticed that the terms in the were
>>different from the terms I had agreed to.  (I made the stupid mistake
>>of not checking everything on the contract).  This all happened last
>>Saturday.
>>I have heard that there is a "cooling-off" law allowing me three days
>>to reconsider the contract.  Is this true?  Can anyone point me to the
>>law?  The transaction happened at the dealership, if it matters.
>This cooling off period applies only in certain situations - lik ewhen
>you are solicited at home.  I also think the cooling off period ends
>if you actually accept the merchandise.
>If this were not the case, any car buyer would have the right to return
>a slightly used, highly devalued, car 2 days after buying it.  Yeah -
>that's the trick - if I want to buy a new car, I'd have a firend buy
>& return one, then go in and negotiate a better deal on a pre-owned
>used car.
FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES ONLY
On the other hand, if it can be proven, it's possible the changed
terms could be thrown out.  The question will be whether the
agreement contains a merger clause.  See UCC @ 2-202 (parol
evidence).  If we're talking about warranties, then, of course,
UCC @ 2-316 should be looked at.
But we have so little information that none of us can say anything
conclusive.
Daniel Reitman
"The Uniform Commercial Code protects the innocent purchaser, but it is not a
shield for the sly conniver, the blindly naive, or the hopelessly gullible."
Atlas Auto Rental Corp. v. Weisberg, 54 Misc. 2d 168, 172, 281 N.Y.S.2d 400,
405 (N.Y. City Civ. Ct. 1967).
From: gwm@spl1.spl.loral.com (Gary W. Mahan)
Subject: Re: It's a rush... (was Re: Too fast)
Organization: Loral Software Productivity Laboratory
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>>Dont get me wrong, I love to drive in the left lane fast but when I overtake>
>>cars who are on the right, I slow down a tad bit. If I were to rely on the j>udgement of the other car, to recognize the speed differential, I would be the stupid one.
>just to satiate my curiosity, why would this make you the stupid one?  It seems
>to me, everybody SHOULD be aware enough of what is going on.  You do not need
I couldnt agree more.  That is how it SHOULD work. People should also ALWAYS see motorcycles too.
I CONSTANTLY scan behind me (I have one of those wink mirrors) and two outside mirrors.  I actually spend just as much time checking my six (cops you know).
I still get caught off guard every now and then.
Maybe I didnt word it right the first time.  What I was trying to say was that if you plan to blow by somebody at a very HIGH speed differential and you assume you are safe because the guy sees you, you are stupid (of course, it depends on the circumstances).  I have had some VERY scary instances when I assumed this and I dont think all of the fault was the other guy (now if he was going 25 in a 55 thats a whole different story)
From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Subject: Re: Dumb options list
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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In a previous article, parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) says:
>The idea here is to list pointless options. You know, stuff you
>(can) get on a car that has no earthly use?
1) a fitting that allows you to generate household current with
the engine running, and plug ins in the trunk, engine compartment
and cabin.
Feel free to add on...
Regards, Charles
x
--
Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of
separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time,
struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing
gourd. --Unknown net.person
:-)
From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Subject: Re: It's a rush... (was Re: Too fast)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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In a previous article, gwm@spl1.spl.loral.com (Gary W. Mahan) says:
>>>Dont get me wrong, I love to drive in the left lane fast but when I overtake>
>>>cars who are on the right, I slow down a tad bit. If I were to rely on the j>udgement of the other car, to recognize the speed differential, I would be the stupid one.
>
>>just to satiate my curiosity, why would this make you the stupid one?  It seems
>>to me, everybody SHOULD be aware enough of what is going on.  You do not need
>
>I couldnt agree more.  That is how it SHOULD work. People should also ALWAYS see motorcycles too.
>
>I CONSTANTLY scan behind me (I have one of those wink mirrors) and two outside mirrors.  I actually spend just as much time checking my six (cops you know).
>
>I still get caught off guard every now and then.
>
>
>Maybe I didnt word it right the first time.  What I was trying to say was that if you plan to blow by somebody at a very HIGH speed differential and you assume you are safe because the guy sees you, you are stupid (of course, it depends on the circumstances).  I have had some VERY scary instances when I assumed this and I dont think all of the fault was the other guy (now if he was going 25 in a 55 thats a whole different story)
ok.  I can agree to this, because, as we have both proved, what is ideally
SUPPOSED to happen, isn't always.  And even though i'm rearely the one doing
the passing, i don't see where it makes you stupid, but i agree, that if you
think you are SAFE, because the other guy is SUPPOSED to have been paying
attention, then yes, you are just as dumb as the other(maybe dumber?)
hasta
DREW
From: laszlo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Tyson F Nuss)
Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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From article <1pq6i2$a1f@news.ysu.edu>, by ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker):
>
> Cup holders (driving is an importantant enough undertaking)
> Ashtrays (smokers seem to think it's just fine to use the road)
Oh, sure -- sorry, but the absence of a cupholder is not gonna
discourage anyone from eating/drinking in the car;  let's just put one
in anyway, so at least they don't have the further distraction of trying
not to spill it.
Furthermore, you are obviously not a smoker; on a cold day, it
takes a certain skill to toss a butt out of a cracked window without having
it wind-deflect into the back seat.  Also, just 'cause some smokers use
the window, doesn't mean all of us do.
This reminds me of *one* pleasant feature in the otherwise
ergonomically-hellish interior of the Alfa Romeo Milano:  you could ash
your cigarette without even removing your hand from the wheel; the 'tray
was *right*there*.
> Fake convertible roofs and vinyl roofs.
> Any gold trim.
These, I will agree, are abominations, right along with the fake
continental spare-tire kit -- it's sad watching those little old ladies
try to load their groceries into the trunk with that huge tire-medallion
in the way.
Most pitiful fake convertible top: on a "Cadillac" Cimarron, with
all the chrome door trim still visible -- not fooling *anyone*.
Of course, there was that Hyundai Excel I once saw...
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From: laszlo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Tyson F Nuss)
Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all tim
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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> In article <1993Mar29.161044.1@uncavx.unca.edu>, bwillard@uncavx.unca.edu
> wrote:
>>
>> 8. Saab 900 - ignition is on floor!?!
Actually, this started as a great idea.  Before steering-column
locks became popular, Saab installed a *gearshift* lock -- put the car
in reverse, remove the key, and the car *stays* in reverse!
Also, suppose you get into your car, and a thug comes up and
demands your keys at gunpoint.  You hand them over, he gets in, and
HAS NO IDEA WHERE TO PUT THE KEY!  At this, he will run away (or perhaps
shoot you anyway  %-}).  I heard this actually happened somewhere...
Btw, I hear that the Saab 900's new successor will have the
ignition on the console, between the seats, where it belongs.
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From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Subject: Re: Ad said Nissan Altima best seller?
Organization: Delco Electronics Corp.
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In article <1r0vk6INNaft@cronkite.Central.Sun.COM> dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM writes:
>>I too was puzzled by this obvious untruth. What I think is going on is that
>>Nissan claims that the Altima is "the best selling new car namelplate in
>>the US" (I think I have this near verbatim). Lee Iaccoca's statistics
>>dept. would have been proud of that sentence.
>
>Note that the Corolla/Prism are also new designs... but hey are not new
>"nameplates."  I guess Nissan doesn't even sell as many Altimas as
>Toyota does Corollas, or there would be no "nameplate" qualifier.
But waiiiiiit, isn't Nissan officially registering the car as far as
government paperwork goes, Nissan Stanza Altima, to avoid costly and
lengthy paperwork? I read this on the net a while ago, and someone
actually may have said there's a little Stanza logo on the Altima
somewhere.
You *can* have it both ways :-)
Spiros
--
Spiros Triantafyllopoulos                    c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com
Software Technology, Delco Electronics       (317) 451-0815
GM Hughes Electronics, Kokomo, IN 46904      "I post, therefore I ARMM"
From: c23reg@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Ron Gaskins)
Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all tim
Originator: c23reg@koptsw21
Keywords: Dimmer switch location (repost)
Organization: Delco Electronics Corp.
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In article <1993Apr8.233443.22590@exu.ericsson.se>, exulox@exu.ericsson.se (Lasse Ohlsson, T/TDT, 1129) writes:
> In article 23250@cas.org, sdm24@cas.org () writes:
> >IMHO, the dumbest thing we *ever* did in copying the Japanese was moving the
> >dimmer switch from the floor to the lever controlling the turn signal/cruise
The federal government has mandated that all passenger cars by model year
'95 return to the floor mounted dimmer switch.
A study by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) has
found that an unacceptable percentage of after dusk collisions were the
direct result of unskilled drivers getting their left foot stuck in the
steering wheel :-)
--
Ron Gaskins                                 c23reg@koptsw21.delcoelect.com
Automotive Electronic Systems               Delco Electronics
GM Hughes Electronics, Kokomo, IN 46904
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Ron Gaskins                                 c23reg@koptsw21.delcoelect.com
Automotive Electronic Systems               Delco Electronics
GM Hughes Electronics, Kokomo, IN 46904
From: c23tvr@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Thomas Redmond)
Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...
Originator: c23tvr@koptsy17
Keywords: brick, rock,  danger, gun, violent, teenagers
Organization: Delco Electronics Corp.
Distribution: us
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In article <1r1d62$d6s@agate.berkeley.edu>, bh@anarres.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Brian Harvey) writes:
> rfelix@netcom.com (Robbie Felix) writes:
> >How about the thousands of kind teenagers who volunteer at local
> >agencies to help children, seniors, the homeless?
>
> Hear, hear!  Thanks, Robbie.
>
> You also don't read that much about violence *against* teenagers, such as
> George Bush burying alive tens of thousands of unarmed Iraqi 17-year-olds,
> who were trying to surrender, with bulldozers.
>
>
> On the other hand, I think it *is* true, without singling out teenagers
> for blame, that violence is more socially acceptable than it used to be.
> Those of us who'd like to discourage violence have plenty of work to do
> with people of all ages.
I didn't know George could drive a bulldozer!
From: hovnania@iftccu.ca.boeing.com (Paul Hovnanian)
Subject: Re: Re: Toyota Land Cruiser worth it?
Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplane Group
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>: In response to a post about SUV's, I got several unsolicited recommendations to
>: check out the Land Cruiser, despite its astronomical price.
>: The Toyota dealer told me it's a "cult car".
>: If a car is good enough to create a passionate and loyal following, there
>: must be something really extraordinary about it.
>: So, all you Land Crusher Cultists - here is your chance to convert me.
>:
>: --
>: Jonathan Edwards				edwards@intranet.com
>: IntraNet, Inc					617-527-7020
Based on my experience with a '79 FJ40 ( the hard-top jeep-style model ) I
would definitely give a new model consideration if I were in the market. The
older models are VERY well built. Unless Toyota lost its mind, I would
assume, until  proven otherwise, that the newer models have inherited some
if not all of the qualities of their ancestors.
Two major differences in the running gear (that I'm aware of) need study.
My '79 has a solid front axle housing whereas the newer models have
independant front suspension. The solid axle is theoretically stronger and
more reliable than the newer model, but only experience will tell. The
independant front suspension is, no doubt, a compromise made to satisfy
the typical user, who will never need a real utility vehicle. The second
difference is the type of transfer case used on the newer models. I'm
not sure, but I think Tioyota went to a full-time 4WD or all-wheel drive
system. The older Landcruisers have a "lock-up" type. Both have their
advantages and disadvantages.
Paul Hovnanian	hovnania@atc.boeing.com
[Std disclaimers apply]
From: jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost)
Subject: Re: Is car saftey important?
Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc.
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jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen) writes:
>In article <1r1jr9$m1v@armory.centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes:
>>tcorkum@bnr.ca (Trevor Corkum) writes:
>>I figure that 30mph collisions into brick walls aren't common enough
>>for me to spend that much extra money for protection, but there are
>>lots of low-speed collisions that do worry me.
>Get into an 30+ mph accident and you may reconsider. I've been in one
>and it is *really* scarey. My life is something I value more
>than a car's looks or handeling. Consider it insurance, it may not
>happen often but when it does, you'll sure be glad you got a safe car.
>Granted the tests aren't perfect but I'd much rather be in a car that
>did well in the test than a car that did horribly.
You raise a valid point, but again it's a tradeoff -- how much money
do you want to spend for that kind of protection?  You could buy a
Volvo, Saab, or 'Benz and get really good crash protection (and other
luxuries) but you'll pay significantly more for it.  In my case it's
out of the question because *all* of those cars are beyond my budget.
Even in high-speed head-on collisions the most beneficial item you can
have is a good old 3-point seatbelt.  Nowadays, at least in the US,
you get an airbag if you get a 3-point belt so (presumably) you get an
added safety benefit there as well.  That's something I certainly look
for and which can be had in inexpensive cars.
My $.02, of course.
jim frost
jimf@centerline.com
From: jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost)
Subject: Re: Best Radar Detector - VALENTINE-1?
Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc.
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troy@sequent.com (Troy Wecker) writes:
>There is no question that the Valentine-1 ($299) has good range but
>not significant enough to be 2 or 3 times as expensive as some of the
>others.
The big win with the V-1 is not its range but rather its
directionality and multiple-transmitter tracking (which you later
called a "gimmick" -- a conclusion I disagree with).  Since the
detector incorporates multiple receivers it's not surprising that it's
significantly more expensive.  While the added capabilities may not
help you, there is added value for those of us who live in areas where
there are a lot of false-alarms.
>Summary: Valentine-1 way too expensive and not a significantly better
>performer!
I certainly call it "interesting" but I'm another person who thinks
that the added value might be coming at too high a cost.  Very
adequate radar detectors are available for less than half the cost and
one of them has suited me rather well.  If I did more long-distance
travelling in areas I'm not familiar with I'd probably consider
getting the V-1 because it's additional information would be useful in
discriminating false alarms.
jim frost
jimf@centerline.com
From: ward@cs.uiuc.edu (Christ Ward)
Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
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R1004@vmcms.csuohio.edu writes:
>In article <C5Lz30.Jus@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
>cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) writes:
>
>>laszlo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Tyson F Nuss) writes:
>>
>>>From article <1pq6i2$a1f@news.ysu.edu>, by ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker):
>>>>
>>
>>>> Fake convertible roofs and vinyl roofs.
>>>> Any gold trim.
>>
>>>	These, I will agree, are abominations, right along with the fake
>>>continental spare-tire kit -- it's sad watching those little old ladies
>>>try to load their groceries into the trunk with that huge tire-medallion
>>>in the way.
>>>	Most pitiful fake convertible top: on a "Cadillac" Cimarron, with
>>>all the chrome door trim still visible -- not fooling *anyone*.
>>>Of course, there was that Hyundai Excel I once saw...
>>
>>	I have seen a cutlass Supreme coupe (GM10) with a vinyl roof, ditto
>>a Taurus.  Shoot the owners, NOW, before it's too late.
>>
>    It gets better.  I've seen them on a 4-door escort, Chevy S-10
>Blazer, and even a Chevy astro mini-van.  A mini-van w/ a fake
>convertible top is not something you want to see just after eating!
>
And better yet..There's a chevette in town with wire crome wheels,
vinyl roof, tacky paint job and a continental spare (showing the wire
crome wheel within, of course)...I'm scared to look on the inside and have
only seen it rolling down the road...and I too was glad I hadn't just ate.
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Bob Martel               |  Lady luck must have been a wonderful girl
>bob2@cua3.csuohio.edu    |    -She's never been a friend of mine!
>R1004@vmcms.csuohio.edu  |                    The Alan Parsons Project
>                         |     The 3B1 lives!
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From: CONRADIE@firga.sun.ac.za (Gerrit Conradie)
Subject: Re: Dealer cheated me with wrong odometer reading. Need help!
Organization: University of Stellenbosch, SA
Distribution: usa
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In article <1qvrnpINNnid@shelley.u.washington.edu> yongje@hardy.u.washington.edu (Yong Je Lim) writes:
>Subject: Dealer cheated me with wrong odometer reading. Need help!
>Here is a story.  I bought a car about two weeks ago.  I finally can
>get hold of the previous owner of the car and got all maintanence
>history of the car.  In between '91 and '92, the instrument pannel
>of the car has been replaced and the odometer also has been reset
>to zero.  Therefore, the true meter reading is the reading before
>replacement plus current mileage.  That shows 35000 mile difference
>comparing to the mileage on the odometer disclosure from.  The
>dealer never told me anything about that important story.
>
>I hope that I can return the car with full refund.  Do u think this
>is possible?  Does anyone have similar experiences?  Any comments
>will be appreciated.  Thanks.
Something that happened in South AFrica about a year ago: A dealer sold a
Mercedes with an odometer reading of 150K kilometers to a lady. Turned out
that the actual reading should have been 160K. Court case followed because
lady said she wouldn't have bought a car with that much km's. Dealer found
quilty, fined and had to take back the car.
I think you have a case if you can get a sworn statement from the previous
owner. Take the car back to the dealer and threaten him or something.
- gerrit
From: CONRADIE@firga.sun.ac.za (Gerrit Conradie)
Subject: Re: Is car saftey important?
Organization: University of Stellenbosch, SA
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In article <1993Apr20.163527.12773@bnr.ca> tcorkum@bnr.ca (Trevor Corkum) writes:
>Subject: Is car saftey important?
>   I was recently thumbing through the 1993 Lemon-Aid New
>Car Guide.  What I found was a car would be given a 'Recommended'
>under the picture while a few sentences later noting how a
>driver and passenger were virtually guaranteed to be killed
>in a front end collision.  The most highly recommended small
>car (The Civic) has the worst crash rating of all of the small
>cars listed.  There were many such cases of 'great' vehicles
>where you wouldn't survive an accident.  Is it only me, or is
>safety not one of the most important factors when buying a car?
>
Definitely!
Safety is an important criterium for me when buying a car. I won't buy a
small car like a Civic or whatever.
Great = Safety + Handling + Speed  -  for me
Seems to me that you would be more "dead" in a small car than a large car
after an accident.
- gerrit
From: kissane@black.Berkeley.EDU (John G. Kissane)
Subject: Re: Manual Shift Bigots
Nntp-Posting-Host: black
Reply-To: kissane@rtsg.mot.com (John G. Kissane)
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
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As a matter of interest does anyone know why autos are so popular in the US while
here in Europe they are rare??? Just wondering.....
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From: jwg@SEDV1.acd4.acd.com (jwg)
Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...
In-Reply-To: bh@anarres.CS.Berkeley.EDU's message of 20 Apr 93 17:50:58 GMT
Organization: /u/jwg/.organization
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In article <1r1d62$d6s@agate.berkeley.edu> bh@anarres.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Brian Harvey) writes:
rfelix@netcom.com (Robbie Felix) writes:
>How about the thousands of kind teenagers who volunteer at local
>agencies to help children, seniors, the homeless?
Hear, hear!  Thanks, Robbie.
You also don't read that much about violence *against* teenagers, such as
George Bush burying alive tens of thousands of unarmed Iraqi 17-year-olds,
who were trying to surrender, with bulldozers.
I didn't know George Bush could drive a bulldozer.
Kee-ripe.
jim grey
jwg@acd4.acd.com
From: abbott@priory.enet.dec.com (Robert Abbott)
Subject: Re: water in trunk of 89 Probe??
Nntp-Posting-Host: priory
Organization: TP Performance
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In article <1r1crn$27g@transfer.stratus.com>, tszeto@sneezy.ts.stratus.com (Tommy Szeto) writes...
>Water gradually builds up in the trunk of my friend's 89 Ford Probe.  Every
>once in a while we would have to remove the spare and scoop out the water
>under the plywood/carpet cover on the trunk.  I would guess this usually happens
>after a good thunder storm.  A few Qs:
>
>1) Is this a common problem?
>2) Where are the drain holes located for the hatch?
>
I had the same problem in my '90 MX-6. Luckily I had it fixed
under warranty. I think they replaced a tail light gasket.
Check with a dealer, it's a known problem.
------------------------
Robert K. Abbott
abbott@tps.enet.dec.com
From: wchutt@alex.monsanto.com (Bill C Hutton)
Subject: MR2 Car Cover For Sale
Organization: Monsanto Company
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
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For Sale:
Fitted car cover specifically for '91',92,'93 MR-2.
Top of the line Evolution-3 [TM] fabric. Used for less than 6 months.
The cover is in excellent condition-no rips, cuts, stains or other
blemishes. It has grommets for a locking cable. The color is silver.
Price: $90 f.o.b. will ship collect
please contact wchutt@monsanto.com
or phone at
314 576 3798 after 6 pm CDT
From: bowmanj@csn.org (Jerry Bowman)
Subject: Re: Opel owners?
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In article <C5sxI4.J9B@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) writes:
>gibbonsa@fraser.sfu.ca (Darren Gibbons) writes:
>
>>I'm looking for information on Opel cars.  Now you ask, which model?
>>Well, the sad truth is, I'm not entirely sure, but it's a two-seater,
>>with roll-over headlights, hard top, and really sporty looking.  My
>>friend has one sitting in his yard in really nice condition,
>>body-wise, but he transmission has seized up on him, so it hasn't run
>>for a while.  Does anyone have any info on these cars?  The engine
>>compartment looks really tight to work on, but it is in fine shape and
>>I am quite interested in it.
>>Thanks!
>>Darren Gibbons
>>gibbonsa@sfu.ca
>
>	This would be the manta, would it not???  Sold through Buick dealers in the mid '70's as the price leader????
>
>	Chintan Amin
>	llama@uiuc.edu
If it looks like a miniature corvette it would be an opel GT,the
headlights are flipped over by pulling a lever inside.>
>--
>Chintan Amin <The University of Illinois UrbanaChampaign> mail: llama@uiuc.edu
>*******SIG UNDER CONSTRUCTION HARD HAT AREA********
From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Subject: Re: MR2 - noisy engine.
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu
In a previous article, eliot@lanmola.engr.washington.edu (eliot) says:
>In article <1r1vofINN871@usenet.pa.dec.com> tomacj@opco.enet.dec.com (THUNDERBIRDS ARE GO !!!) writes:
>>	Are there any MR2 owners or motor-head gurus out there, that know why
>>my MR2's engine sounds noisy? The MR2's engine is noisy at the best of times,
>>but not even a nice nose - it's one of those very ugly noises.
>
>assuming yours is a non turbo MR2, the gruffness is characteristic of
>a large inline 4 that doesn't have balance shafts.  i guess toyota
>didn't care about "little" details like that when they can brag about
>the mid engine configuration and the flashy styling.
>
>myself, i automatically cross out any car from consideration (or
>recommendation) which has an inline 4 larger than 2 liters and no
>balance shafts..  it is a good rule of thumb to keep in mind if you
>ever want a halfway decent engine.
>
>if the noise really bugs you, there is nothing else that you can do
>except to sell it and get a V6.
>
>
>eliot
nice theory.  too bad the MR2's never came with a four cylinder over 2.0
liters.  More like 1.6.  Or did they? were the nonturbo MR2II's  2.2 or
some such?
I also understand that anyone using balancing shafts on four cylinders, must
pay SAAB a royalty for using their patented design..like Porsche's 3.0 I4...
c ya
DREW
From: jjmckay@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jim McKay)
Subject: Re: water in trunk of 89 Probe??
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
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tszeto@sneezy.ts.stratus.com (Tommy Szeto) writes:
>Water gradually builds up in the trunk of my friend's 89 Ford Probe.  Every
>once in a while we would have to remove the spare and scoop out the water
>under the plywood/carpet cover on the trunk.  I would guess this usually happens
>after a good thunder storm.  A few Qs:
>1) Is this a common problem?
Yes this is a common problem.  The leaks occur through the seal of the
taillights.  Unfortunately, Ford has this with Most Probes and does
not have a recall for it.  Very dissatisfying to say the least.
>2) Where are the drain holes located for the hatch?
There is no drain holes that I know of.  I used a margine tub to drain it
Regretably I waited three months as I was short cash and they wouldn't fix it
under warrantee.  Then I paid dearly as it messed up my electrical system
including a balance/motion sensor which is located near the fuel shutoff in
the trunk.  This resulted in my passive restraints malfunctioning--they would
not retract.  So I ended up paying about $200 to have the sensor replaced;
$90 to have the tail lights resealed (they firts replaced the hatch gasket
which I insisted was not the problem so they did not charge me for that
when I proved to be right.); not to mention the water damage to the
covers to the trunk/spare com partment and algae in the taillights.
very annoying.  Don't let the water problem go--get it fixed or you'll pay
more later.  Considering how common a problem it is I hope every one
complains to Ford.
>Thanks for any info.
>Tom
>--
>Tom Szeto                         "No!  Not those peanuts!  The ones on the
>tszeto@sneezy.ts.stratus.com       bottom....ggnuuaahuuhh"
>#include <disclaimer.h>            - Homer Simpson
From: shantanu@risc.sps.mot.com (Shantanu Ganguly)
Subject: Re: Are BMW's worth the price?
Organization: Motorola, Inc. -- Austin,TX
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In article <9866@ceylon.gte.com> hhd0@harvey.gte.com (Horace Dediu) writes:
>In article <1pvjlnINNckf@daffy.sps.mot.com>, shantanu@risc.sps.mot.com (Shantanu Ganguly) writes:
>|>
>|> Some comments:
>|>
>|> a) Good performance and mid and high speeds can be obtained by adjusting the
>|>    top gear and final drive ratios. Contrary to popular misperception, a
>|>    number of Japanese cars have quite good performance from 70+ in top
>|>    gear.
>
>No problem with that.  The question is:  do they perform consistently in all
>conditions (roads, winds and curves) at that speed and do so for hours on end,
>year after year without giving the driver white knuckles?  From my experience on
>the Autobahns/Autostrade, a good touring car can be easily distinguished by its
>"poise" at >100mph.  The best stay on cruise control at 155 for hours.  I've
>seen the typical boy racer in a Fiat try to keep up.  Sure they hit the century
>mark, but if the wind blows the wrong way they change lanes, and if on an
>overpass, they may fly right into a guardrail.  The buffeting at 125 can be
>severe enough to  make the hood bend.  Tires at 155 can melt, and a pothole can
>kill.  Many German cars are designed for this environment, even if they can't
>seem to get out of their own way from a stop light (Mercedes come to mind in
>particular.)  And another design point is fuel economy at those speeds.  The
>Germans gear the car for very good high speed efficiency (a typical M-B 300E turns
>1500 at 55, almost a stall :-)
Good point. I have no idea how either of my Hondas will handle at 100+ mph,
nor do they reach 155. However, using `high' to be 70-90 mph:
a) They are quite amenable to long high speed drives. I've done several
1k mile+ trips in my Civic with no problems whatsoever. The last big trip
I made was driving from New York to Texas. I remember driving 700-800
miles a day at typically 75-85 mph  without any problems. I'm sure I
would have been more comfortable driving a benz, but no white knuckles.
No problems with winds and curves.
Then there was the trip back from New Orleans after Mardi Gras - where
we were doing 80+ all the way to Houston. No problems.
b) Both my cars have surprising good fuel economy at high speeds. I see
no difference between sustained 60 mph and sustained 80mph. On the trip
back from New Orleans, we got about 30 mpg in my Integra, quite ok. Mind
you, the engine revs to almost 4k at 80. The civic is markedly better
than the Integra in fuel economy. 50k miles down the road, I still
get 35 mpg at 70-75 mph driving.
>|> b) I can't understand why these high-scale European marquees are afraid
>|>    to design engines that can be repeatedly revved to near redline in
>|>    the low gears. I have been doing that for that last 50k miles with
>|>    my lowly Civic, with no detriment to either the engine or the clutch,
>|>    and getting excellent mpg to boot. I'd call this an engineering hack
>|>    to cover up design deficiencies.
>
>At 50k miles you'd still be breaking-in a "high-scale European marquee"  They
>typically are designed to last 300,000 miles per engine, 500,000 mi. per
>chassis. (The record is now over 1,500,000 miles on a Benz diesel, and I've
>read about *transmissions* lasting 700,000 miles.)  Speaking of
Now now, you can't compare a diesel with a gasoline engine. I see enough
bmws and gasoline mercs for sale that have 100-150k miles on them and advertise
rebuilt engines. If honda was to build an accord for 30k, I'd darn well
expect the sucker to last 300k miles.
>diesels, they have very good efficiency at the cost of acceleration, and are very
>popular in all European cars (diesel is considered the "green" fuel) from the
>smallest econoboxes to the luxo-barges.  Again, we see a difference in mentality.
>Diesels in the US are considered slightly worse than useless, and extremely
>"dirty" to boot so you can't give them away.
Ever got caught behind a early 80's 300SDL at a stop light? It's not
pleasant. The newer MB's are a lot better though. The diesel Volvos
and VWs are probably the smelliest offenders.
As for economy, why should we care? Gas is cheap! I personally wouldn't
buy a diesel car for any reason - what does it buy me?
Shantanu Ganguly
Somerset (Motorola)
phone : (512) 795-7146                  Motorola Inc, Mail Drop OE 513
fax   : (512) 795-7513                  6501 William Cannon Drive W.
Austin TX 78735-8598
email : shantanu%ibmoto.com@oakhill.sps.mot.com
From: andrei@namao.uucp (Andrei Chichak)
Subject: Re: Bimmer vs Beamer
Nntp-Posting-Host: namao.ucs.ualberta.ca
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Distribution: usa
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Mark Monninger (markm@latium.) wrote:
> Although not in direct response to the referenced article, just to set the
> record straight, Beamers are BMW motorcycles. BMW cars are Bimmers. Please,
> let's get our terms straight.
>
> Actually, some purists would argue that the only true Bimmer is a round
> tail light 2002 or 1600.
>
> Mark
Back when I was building round tail light 2002s they were Bimmers.  It was
only when the (red suspendered, Reganomics generated, quiche eating) Yuppies
got into the market >-( that they became Beamers and the hood ornaments started
disappering.
Andrei
From: cak3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (CHAD ANDREW KAUFFMAN)
Subject: Car alarm info. (UNGO BOX)
Organization: Lehigh University
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I want to get a car alarm and I am thinking about getting an Ungo Box.
Does anyone out there have any knowledge or experience with any of
these alarms?  How about price ranges for the different models?
Are these good car alarms?  Please email me any responces.
cak3@ns3.lehigh.edu
Chad
Chad
From: bmoss@grinch.sim.es.com (Brent "Spuzy" Moss)
Subject: Re: water in trunk of 89 Probe??
Nntp-Posting-Host: 130.187.200.5
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The rubber drain plugs under my carpet in my mazda glc leaked
like the ones are doing under your spare in the Probe.
I tooke them out and put some silicone sealant on them
and put them back in.
From: firman@envmsa.eas.asu.edu (B B S)
Subject: Re: VIPER
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe, AZ
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In article <C5JnHA.8IB@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, rmt6r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Roy Matthew Thigpen) writes...
>
>Last night I had a dream that my dad bought a Viper.
>I took it out for a test drive, without his knowledge,
>and had to push it all the way home just to avoid a ticket.
>Wierd dream, I wonder what it means....
>
You probably should told you dad to buy that car, than your dream might
come true.
From: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade)
Subject: Re: Saturn's Pricing Policy
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
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In article <1qn19m$c9s@vela.acs.oakland.edu> mje@pookie.pass.wayne.edu writes:
>I just ordered a Saturn SL1 after considering a few imports. Frankly, the Saturn
>
stuff deleted...
>Saturn also has a good extended warranty program; $675 for 6 year/60K miles,
>fully refunded if you don't use it. That works out to an actual cost of $170 or
>so, based on the 6 year treasury rates. Using savings account rates it's more
>like $120. In the first three years it also buys you free rental during any
>warranty work, without counting against the refund.
>--mike
>
in general extended warranties are a ripoff.  this 6yr/60k is really only
3yr/24k because you get the 3yr/36k one *free* with the car.  also, is there
perhaps a deductible you pay each and every time you use the warranty?
also, are certain items excluded from coverage on the extended warranty?
and if you use it at year 4 for some 60 buck job and pay a 50 deduct and then
you have used it so no refund ever!
again, extended warranties are ripoff, high profit items for the dealer.
>
From: daubendr@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Darren R Daubenspeck)
Subject: Re: Plymouth Sundance/Dodge Shadow experiences?
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
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Reply-To: daubendr@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Darren R Daubenspeck)
NNTP-Posting-Host: l130b7.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
> they are pretty much junk, stay away from them.  they will be replaced next
> year with all new models.
Junk?  They've made the C&D lists for years due to their excellent handling and
acceleration.  They have been around since about, oh, 85 or 86, so they're not
the newest on the lot, and mileage is about five to eight MPG under the class
leader.  You can get into a 3.0 L v-6 (141 hp) Shadow for $10~11K (the I-4
turbo a bit more), and a droptop for $14~15K.
From: tvervaek@col.hp.com (Tom Vervaeke)
Subject: Re: Toyota Land Cruiser worth it?
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division
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My wife and I looked at, and drove one last fall. This was a 1992 model.
It was WAYYYYYYYYY underpowered. I could not imagine driving it in the
mountains here in Colorado at anything approaching highway speeds. I
have read that the new 1993 models have a newer, improved hp engine.
I'm quite serious that I laughed in the salesman face when he said "once
it's broken in it will feel more powerful". I had been used to driving a
Jeep 4.0L 190hp engine. I believe the 92's Land Cruisers (Land Yachts)
were 3.0L, the sames as the 4Runner, which is also underpowered (in my
own personal opinion).
They are big cars, very roomy, but nothing spectacular.
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From: davew@cs.umd.edu (David G. Wonnacott)
Subject: Questions about insurance companies (esp. Geico)
Distribution: usa
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742
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I'm considering switching to Geico insurance, but have heard that
they do not assign a specific agent for each policy or claim.  I was
worried that this might be a real pain when you make a claim.  I have
also heard that they try to get rid of you if you have an accident.
I'm interestend in determining whether or not these things are true.
Has anyone out there with Geico made a claim?  I'd be interested in
hearing whether or not you were satisfied with the service and whether
you then had trouble renewing your policy.
I'm also interested in any good or bad stories about Liberty Mutual or
State Farm.
From: sergei@is.morgan.com (Sergei Poliakoff)
Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...
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mchaffee@dcl-nxt07 (Michael T Chaffee) writes:
|> : be valued in terms of money because they are human beings, I submit
|> that they are not human beings.
Such submissions have been made before, e.g. regarding Jews.
In article <1993Apr21.042234.23924@nuscc.nus.sg>, matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (Matthew MacIntyre at the National University of Senegal) writes:
|> Absolutely. A scratch on my car bothers me more than the death of any
|> number of scum. All of you feel the same way---you just won't admit it.
|> When are people going to realise that the mere fact that a piece of flesh
|> moves and has the approximate shape of a human being does not in itself
|> mean that it has "rights"?
All you Dirty Harry types, eager to pull a gun on  some scum guilty of
scratching your stupid painted metal boxes on wheels : have you ever
KILLED a human to speak so lightly about such matters  ?
Sergei
From: mark@luke.cray.com (Mark Dean)
Subject: Re: Ford and the auto
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> Hello, my name is Russell Wong and I am doing a research project on Henry
> Ford and his automobile.  I need information on whether Ford is
> partially responsible for all of the car accidents and the depletion of
> the ozone layer.  Also, any other additional information will be greatly
> appreciated.  Thanks.
>So would Mr. Benz.. -Eh?
>And Mr. Chevy, Mr. Toyokogio, and Mr (Insert Car name here...)
>---
>Dan Reed - blu@cellar.org - Eat Your Pets - Poke Out Your Eyes - Kill Your
>Boss - Burn Down Your House - Move To Elmer NJ - Rip Out Your Nose Hairs With
>A Lead Holder - Use X-Acto Knives For Dental Work - Hit Your Mother.......
People get a life !!!!!!!!!!
MD
From: mobasser@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu (Bijan Mobasseri)
Subject: Re: Renting from Alamo
Organization: Villanova University
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>> 'cause a friend rented a car last year and it turned out he needed a lot more
>>insurance than what's included in the base price. But on the other hand he
>>didn't rent it from Alamo.
>>
>>Probability that I'll be needing more insurance?
>Unless you have an accident, you won't need more.
>
>Joe
>
==================
Let me see, "unless you have an accident, you won't need more", hmmmmmmm.
Bijan
From: jdenune@pandora.sdsu.edu (John Denune)
Subject: Re: Sport Utility Vehical comparisons? Any Opinions?
Organization: San Diego State University, College of Sciences
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Karl Elvis MacRae (kmac@cisco.com) wrote:
: 	I'm looking at the following three SUV's; anyone who's driven all
: 	three have any strong opinions?
:
: 	Ford Explorer
: 	Toyota 4Runner
: 	Nissan Pathfinder
Well, I was just in your position and I drove all three and liked
all three.  It was a toss-up.  I marginally went with the Pathfinder
based on reliability and looks.
I don't think you can go wrong with any of them.
---John
jdenune@pandora.sdsu.edu
Organization: Central Michigan University
From: John Foster <32HNBAK@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Changing oil by self.
<1993Apr15.112826.25211@colorado.edu>
Lines: 38
>From: drew@kinglear.cs.colorado.edu (Drew Eckhardt)
>In article <pod.734834505@sour.sw.oz.au> pod@sour.sw.oz.au (Paul O'Donnell) wri
>>In <1qgi8eINNhs5@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca> yiklam@unixg.ubc.ca (Yik Chong Lam) writes
>>
>>>Hello,
>>
>>>      Does anyone know how to take out the bolt under the engine
>>>compartment?  Should I turn clockwise or counter?  I tried any kind
>>>of lubricants, WD-40,etc, but I still failed!
>>>      Do you think I can use a electric drill( change to a suitable
>>>bit ) to turn it out?  If I can succeed, can I re-tighten it not too
>>>tight, is it safe without oil leak?
>>
>>You shouldn't need any power tools to undo it, an electric drill
>>probably won't give you much extra torque anyway.  WD40 will help
>>things that are seized due to rust but this is unlikely for a drain
>>plug.  You should be able to undo it with a spanner.  When it
>>loosens, it will probably become very loose and you will bash your
>>knuckles on the underside of the car - this is the price you must
>>pay for doing you own work.
>
>No, that's the price you pay for not knowing how to use a
>wrench.  You want to pull the wrench towards you, away from
>painful knuckle splitting hard things.  If you can't pull it
>because things are in the way, push it with an open hand.
I find this method much better myself, too, although I do really
hate it when the bolt finally comes loose and the wrench and my
hand both come crashing into my face.  After coming to, which is
about 15 minutes later, I change my clothes (because by this time
all the oil has drained *on* me), and ice my entire face and suck
down about 20 Tylenol to ease the pain.  Later in the day I then
proceed with refilling the engine oil.
It's just crazy how I try and change the oil on my cars in one
weekend---I go through about 3 bottles of Tylenol and 2 bags of ice.
John
From: kking@cs.uah.edu (Ken King)
Subject: Re: The Kuebelwagen??!!
Reply-To: kking@uahcs2.uah.edu (Ken King)
Organization: Computer Science Dept. - Univ. of Alabama in Huntsville
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In article <C5K5Co.F09@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> thwang@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Tommy Hwang) writes:
>	Sorry for the mis-spelling, but I forgot how to spell it after
>my series of exams and NO-on hand reference here.
>
>	Is it still possible to get those cute WWII VW Jeep-wanna-be's?
>A replica would be great I think.
greetings:
you may be in luck.  i seem to recall seeing a blurb in one of
the kit car magazines about a company in norway who pulled a
mould (sp?) off a real kubel, and has adapted it to the beetle
floorpan.  as for the suspension, all i can remember about the
vw thing i used to own is that it had about 3" more suspension
travel than a stock beetle, but i'd heard that there were after-
market parts for off-road use that were as good or better.  note
that the major difference (looks wise) between a kubel & a thing
are the hood and the fenders.  the kubel had an external spare
mounted *on* the hood, and the hood sloped down (for visibility?)
sharply, and had rounded fenders.  the thing has a lightly sloped
hood with the spare mounted inside (unless moved to make for more
luggage space...) and has half-hexagon shaped fenders (imagine a
nut large enough to put a tire *in*, and cut off the bottom half
of it...).
unfortunately, i don't have that info anymore.  try stopping
at a local bookstore and copying down the phone numbers for the
two big mag's and calling them.  they might be able to get the
number for you (don't forget to calculate the time difference to
norway before calling...).
later,
kc
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From: eliot@stalfos.engr.washington.edu (eliot)
Subject: Re: Ultimate AWD vehicles
Organization: clearer than blir
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In article <C5L86z.E73@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> rdb1@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (ronald.j.deblock..jr) writes:
>Yes, I saw a 200 Turbo Quattro wagon on I-287 in NJ on Monday.  I thought
>Audi stopped selling wagons in the US after the 5000.  This is exactly the
>type of vehicle I would like to own.  I bet its price is 4-5 times my
>car budget.
think again!!  thanks to 60 minutes (tick tick tick), used 200
quattros are bargains.. '89s go for about $15K, '90s go for perhaps 1
or 2K more, the 20 valve 91's are quite a bit more because of an
enormous hp and torque gain.. i think they go for about $23 to $25K if
you can find one.  i have seen quite a lot of '89-'90 200 quattros (not
that many wagons though) at the dealer lot.. they use very high
quality paint and the entire car is zinc galvanized, so it will never
rust.
in short, typically a 4 yr old 200 looks no more older than a 1 year
old and the 5 bangers are bullet proof engines.  200K out of one is
not rare, even for a turbo, which is watercooled for the 200s.  then
there are aftermarket chips that you can buy to bump up turbo boost...
if you are into luxo-gizmos.. the cars are loaded with just about
everything too..
the price of parts is a different story though...
eliot
From: mcostell@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Malcolm G. Costello)
Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time
Reply-To: mcostell@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Malcolm G. Costello)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD
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x>>
x>>>> Fake convertible roofs and vinyl roofs.
x>>>> Any gold trim.
x >
x>>>     These, I will agree, are abominations, right along with the fake
x>>>continental spare-tire kit -- it's sad watching those little old ladies
x>>>try to load their groceries into the trunk with that huge tire-medallion
x>>>in the way.
x>>>     Most pitiful fake convertible top: on a "Cadillac" Cimarron, with
x>>>all the chrome door trim still visible -- not fooling *anyone*.
x>>>Of course, there was that Hyundai Excel I once saw...
x>>
Least you think bad taste is something new:
Back in the early 1970s I saw a couple of cars with *flocked* paint jobs.
Thats not a typo. I think they sprayed on some kind of glue then blew
on tiny pieces of nylon. It comes out looking like felt. Can you picture
a huge Plymouth Fury III in dark blue felt? I think I can even remember
one guy who did it in red to a early 1960s Corvette. That was after he had
turned it into a station wagon.
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From: lofaso@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Bernie Lofaso)
Subject: Re: Fast idle on 88 Ford Ranger
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ljbartel@naomi.b23b.ingr.com (Les Bartel) writes:
>It did it again.  This morning, my 88 Ford Ranger was idling at 10,000 RPM.
>Ok, so I exaggerated a little, but it was idling very fast.  It has a 2
>liter carburated engine in it, and no blipping of the throttle would
>cause the idle to drop back to normal (I don't think the linkage is stuck).
>What can I do to fix this problem?  This has been a problem from time to
>time, but has straightened itself out - until now.  I don't have a tach,
>but by gauging by the sound of the engine, it is idling about twice as fast
>as it should be.  This is down from what it was idling at when I pulled up
>at a stop light.
Sometimes a bad choke pull-off diaphram will cause a car to fast idle. The
pull-off, which is vacuum actuated, provides a necessary pull in non-cold
weather conditions to get the idle off the the fast idle cam. Locate the
fast idle cam on your vehicle and see if you can rotate it to produce a
normal idle. If so, locate the diaphram and test it. If you can't apply
suction (via a good piece of rubber vacuum hose) with your mouth that will
cause the diaphram to retract, then it's bad and should be replaced.
Bernie Lofaso
Applied Research Labs
From: nataraja@rtsg.mot.com (Kumaravel Natarajan)
Subject: Re: water in trunk of 89 Probe??
Nntp-Posting-Host: opal12
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Lines: 39
jlong@emcnext2.tamu.edu (James Long) writes:
>In article <1r1crn$27g@transfer.stratus.com> tszeto@sneezy.ts.stratus.com
>(Tommy Szeto) writes:
>> Water gradually builds up in the trunk of my friend's 89 Ford Probe.  Every
>> once in a while we would have to remove the spare and scoop out the water
>> under the plywood/carpet cover on the trunk.  I would guess this usually
>happens
>> after a good thunder storm.  A few Qs:
>>
>> 1) Is this a common problem?
>> 2) Where are the drain holes located for the hatch?
>I noticed this is my '89 probe also, when recently cleaning out the back.  I
>think the water is coming *up* through some rubber stoppered holes beneath the
>spare.  Mine looked slightly worn, and there was no water or water damage above
>the level of the spare area.
>This has taken a low priority since I just found out (while rotating my tires)
>that I have a torn CV boot - ugh!!
I've got an 89 GT.  It has the smoked taillight assembly.  I think this is where
the water is getting in.  When I first got it (had it for a month), one of the rear
taillights fogged up with moisture.  I took it in to the dealer and they replaced
the entire assembly.  It happened to the other one about 3 months later.  This time
I happened to look in the spare tire well and noticed water standing in there.  The
dealer was more reluctant this time to replace it.  But I convinced them to
fix it.  (They must have had to deal with a number of other probes with the same
problem.)  I haven't noticed water in the taillamps (or the trunk) for the last 2.5
years, but just last month, the taillamp just fogged up again.  I'm going to try
to take it back to get them to fix it again.  I'm real tempted to drill some vent
and drain holes in the tops and bottoms of the assembly and forget about it.  This is
getting very annoying. (Almost every other `89 GT I've seen has had this problem.)
Vel
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From: gough@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (brian.w.gough)
Subject: 4X4 On/Off-Road Rally - Joliet Il.
Organization: AT&T
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*                                                          *
*      ATTENTION ALL FOUR WHEEL OFF ROAD ENTHUSIASTS       *
*                                                          *
*         On/Off Road Rally - Sunday, April 25th           *
*                   Joliet Illinois                        *
*                                                          *
************************************************************
The Event:
* The Joliet Mud Turtles, a Chicago land four wheel drive club, is
sponsoring an On/Off Road Rally Sunday April 25th.
* For those who ask "What is an on/off road rally?", well...
An On/Off Road Rally consists of the following:
1. An on-the-road rally where participants are given a set of
directions and clues guiding participates around the
Joliet/Plainfield area.  The object is to navigate a course
based on a set of directions and clues.  Participants will
be given a set of questions pertaining to the course which
they must answer along the way.  Points are awarded for the
number of correct answers given.  Directions will ultimately
lead to an off-road area where a four-wheel drive course is
set-up.  At various locations in the on-road course, check-points
will be set-up where participants will be asked other questions
or requested to perform some activity (e.g. tire roll, truck tow,
basketball free-throw, etc.) for additional points.
2. An optional off-road, four wheel drive course where participants
will navigate off-road trails, mud bogs and/or hill climbs.
Points are awarded for successfully navigating off-road obstacles
without getting stuck.  If you should get stuck (which is half
the fun anyway), there will be assistance to get your vehicle
unstuck so you can try it again.  The off-road course will
divided up based on tire size, so stock 4x4s as well as modified
4x4s can run the course.
At the end of the rally, trophies will be awarded to top scoring
participants.  Door prizes and dash plaques will also be given out.
Food and drinks also available at the conclusion.
* This is an organized activity sponsored by the Joliet Mud Turtles
so safety and fun is our foremost concern.  All 4x4s must be
street legal and have solid tow points for the off-road section
of the course - we don't want to have to separate someone's bumper
from their vehicle :) .
The Particulars:
* Rally begins at Instant Replay, 2409 Plainfield Road, Joliet Il.
(815)436-9382   (see map below)
* Registration is between 9 and 10:30 a.m.  First truck out at 10:00 a.m.
* Rally date is Sunday April 25th, rain or shine
* There is an entry fee of $10 per truck.
* You must have a co-driver (passengers allowed)
* A valid drivers license is required
* Suggested equipment:
CB Radio
Compass
Tow Strap and Clevis
Clip Board and Pencil
* No alcohol during rally
* For more information contact
Gary (815)727-3415
Tom  (815)485-9346
Norm Jr. (815)741-4853
Brian (708)979-6083
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257  |              |             |         |
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|              |Farm         |Ave      |
|              |Rd.          |         | 3 mi.
|              |             |         |
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From: hacker@cco.caltech.edu (Jonathan Bruce Hacker)
Subject: Re: Auto air conditioning without Freon
Article-I.D.: gap.1qnb5rINN281
Distribution: usa
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markm@bigfoot.sps.mot.com (Mark Monninger) writes:
>In article <1993Apr15.222600.11690@research.nj.nec.com>
>behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:
>>  ...
>> 	Several chemists already have come up with several substitutes for
>> R12.  You don't hear about them because the Mobile Air Conditioning
>Society
>> (MACS), that is, the people who stand to rake in that $300 to $1000 per
>> retrofit per automobile, have mounted an organized campaign to squash
>those
>> R12 substitutes out of existence if not ban them altogether (on very
>shaky
>> technical grounds, at best, on outright lies at worst).
>>  ...
>Now, I'm not saying you're wrong because I know that the R-12 substitutes
>exist, but this sounds a lot like the 200mpg carbs that the oil companies
>keep us all from getting.
These substitutes exist, and at this time are available. Its the future
availability that is in doubt.
1) GHG-12
Get it from People's Welding Supply 800-382-9006
2) butane/propane
You can mix this yourself so no one can ever regulate it away.
Just make sure you use good quality (dry) gases.
I don't know of any 200mpg carb distributors :-)
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From: nuet_ke@pts.mot.com (KEITH NUETZMAN X3153 P7625)
Subject: wife wants convertible
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HELP!!!
my wife has informed me that she wants a convertible for her next car.
We live in South Fla., so we are definitely in the right are for one.
My wife has mentioned the Miata, but I think it is too small.
I would like to wait for the new Mustangs ( Dec. '93 I think).
Anyone have any opinions on any/all convertibles in a reasonable price range.
Thanx
From: vinlai@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (vincent.lai)
Subject: Third party car antennas ...
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Lines: 32
Since this posting, I've received no replies or followups, so I'm posting
here hoping for the feedback I didn't get in rec.audio.car:
article number - 9855
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Path: cbfsb!cbnewsb.cb.att.com!vinlai
From: vinlai@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (vincent.lai)
Subject: Third party car antennas ...
Message-ID: <1993Apr13.202333.28657@cbfsb.cb.att.com>
Sender: news@cbfsb.cb.att.com
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1993 20:23:33 GMT
I recently saw a particular third party antenna on a new Camry (not mine,
but it caught my interest) and a new 626.  It seems to replace the
factory power antenna and is about a foot long made of plastic tubing.  I
have seen them on quite a few cars, but I can't find anything more about
them in previous r.a.c articles nor in r.a articles.
I'd like to know all I can, so any feedback is greatly appreciated.
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From: ak954@yfn.ysu.edu (Albion H. Bowers)
Subject: Re: Too fast
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
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In a previous article, tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen) says:
>In article <1qh61m$b6l@armory.centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes:
>>Compare either to the Porsche 911 and you tell me which was designed
>>to go fast.
>you have a point about the brakes, especially seeing as how the
>mustang doesn't even have disc brakes in the back.
>but there are significant differences between the latest 911s and
>the late 80's 911s, not the least of which is handling.  i'm not
^^
I think you mean late '60s.  The biggest change that Porsche undertook to
alter the tailhappieness of their baby was way back in August 1968 (for the
'69 model year) when they stretched the wheelbase.  Besides, some people
actually _KNOW_ how to take advantage of oversteer, and enjoy it.
>in europe.  the 911 got low marks for high speed handling (though to
>be fair, they might have been comparing it to the vette's handling).
^^^^^
>what was that phil hill (famous race car driver) said about the
^^^^ ^^^^
You should have seen what Phil Hill (_*WORLD CHAMPION*_) had to say about
the Vette's he's driven.
>911 turbo?  you can't make a thoroughbred out of a pig, but you can
>have an awful fast pig.
^^^^^ ^^^^ ^^^
Yeah, that was what he said.  :-)
Paul Frere agreed.  They both prefered the Porsche (modified by Ruf) to
either of the Vette's at that test.
--
Al Bowers  DOD #900  Alfa  Ducati  Hobie  Kottke  'blad  Iaido  NASA
"Well goodness sakes...don't you know that girls can't play guitar?"
-Mary Chapin-Carpenter
From: chriss@netcom.com (Chris Silvester)
Subject: Re: SHO and SC
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Lines: 39
In article <1993Apr16.193553.27118@mksol.dseg.ti.com> a207706@moe.dseg.ti.com (Robert Loper) writes:
>In article <C5L8rE.28@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) writes:
>>In article <1993Apr15.232412.2261@ganglion.ann-arbor.mi.us> david@ganglion.ann-arbor.mi.us (David Hwang) writes:
>>
>>I would be willing to bet that if we removed the automatic
>>transmissions from all "performance-type" cars (like the 5.0l
>>Mustangs, Camaros, and the like) we'd cut down on the number of
>>accidents each year. Autos are fine for sedate little sedans,
>>but they have no business in performance cars, IMHO.
>>
>>				James
>>
>I have to disagree with this.  I have a 92 Z28 with a 350 and a 4-speed auto
>w/ overdrive, and it is really better that way.  Chevy autos are reknowned
>for their long life and ability to handle copious amount of power.  I live
>in the Dallas area, and a manual would be much harder to drive in the traffic
>here.  Now if I still lived out in the sticks like I used to, a manual would be
>more fun.
>
I don't know if it's as much an issue of their ablility to handle the
power as it is the power they lose (in the torque converter, etc).
>Safety-wise, an auto is less distracting...I would hate to have to be
>shifting gears while I was trying to ease into traffic in the freeways here.
>Performance-wise, I can hold my own against any stock 5.0 Mustang or 5.0
>Camaro w/ a five speed.
>
However, if you encounter a '93 Formula with 5.7L & 6-Speed Manual,
You'll be SOL, I'm afraid. ;) BTW, I know of what I speak as a former
owner of a 5.7L Auto IROC (1989) and current owner of the
aforementioned car...
Chris S.
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From: sorlin@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven J Orlin)
Subject: Re: Changing oil by self.
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In article <C5LMtr.Mo7@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> marshatt@feserve.cc.purdue.edu (Za
uberer) writes:
>>>In article <1qgi8eINNhs5@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca>, yiklam@unixg.ubc.ca (Yik Chong
Lam) writes:
>>>|> Hello,
>>>|>     Does anyone know how to take out the bolt under the engine
>>>|> compartment?  Should I turn clockwise or counter?  I tried any kind
>>>|> of lubricants, WD-40,etc, but I still failed!
>>>|>     Do you think I can use a electric drill( change to a suitable
>>>|> bit ) to turn it out?  If I can succeed, can I re-tighten it not too
>>>|> tight, is it safe without oil leak?
>>>|> Thank you very much in advance------  Winson
Don't worry about leaks.  Don't worry about which way to turn the damn thing.
Take a good claw hammer and pry it straight out.  Now, you'll notice, after
all the oil pours out, that there are no theads where there used to be.
Thats why 'heli coils' were invented.  Yes, buy a few of these gems, and
rethread the hole a little larger each time you change the oil.
When the hole gets too big for any heli coil you can buy, its time to trade in
the car...
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Subject: Re: Too fast
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA
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In article <1qmcih$dhs@armory.centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes:
>They light the highways in Texas?  Funny, everywhere else I've been
>they only light 'em at junctions.
And armadillo crossings.
>Texas is pretty much an edge-case -- you can't assume that everywhere
>has roads in such good condition, such flat terrain, and such
>wide-open spaces.  It just ain't so.
Well, let's see, in just my own _personal_ experience there's
Nevada, New Mexico, Texas, Wyoming, Utah, South Dakota, Nebraska,
Minnesota, Montana, Florida, and parts of Louisianna.
Nobody said "Let's go into town and drive 130 on Main St."
And you couldn't go that fast on the graveled washboard that passes
for highway in some parts.  But that "only really expensive cars should
be driven fast" crap, is, well, crap...
wr
From: marshatt@feserve.cc.purdue.edu (Zauberer)
Subject: Re: It's a rush... (was Re: Too fast)
Organization: Purdue University
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Remember roads in America are NOT designed for speeds above 80 meaning they
would be safe at 55-65. Roads like the Autobahn are smoother, straiter,
wider and slightly banked.
Example: A few months back I was traveling late at  night ( 3:00 am or so)
and I was changing highways at a bent crosssing. It  curved off to the south
east becoming hidden by trees after about 1,000 ft and continued to the
left strait north. I wanted to turn north, checked the south lane, rolled
into the crossing and checked the north lane. Nevertheless there wasn't
a car in sight, so I took one last look and pulled into the left hand lane.
Now my car isn't a 5 sec 0-60 performer but I was in the corect lane and
over 40 in decent time, even at 3:00 I wasn't wasting time. It was then
that I checked my mirror and saw a Mustang closing in my lane *FAST*, he
had just turned the corner and was just noticing me. Luckly he saw me and
changed lanes in time, I estamate he was moving in excess of 90 or so.
I was just a by stander, I had no chance of runing from him, or moving out
of his way. I'm glad he saw my brake lights in time. I shudder to
think of what would have happened had I wainted to pull out and not
left the time he needed to dodge me.
Rule: Just because your car can do 100+, and  your way is clear,
don't assume it will stay that way.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
TRAVIS disclamer: the ideas expressed above are in fact the same as
my employer, since I have none |-)
e-mail, flame, at : marshatt@feserve.cc.purdue.edu
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From: thorn@wam.umd.edu (Thornwall)
Subject: Q: Dings in the paint on my hood  :(
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Hello,
I have a 92 Toyota 4X4 and in the last few weeks I have been getting quite
a few "dings" :( in the paint on the hood from rocks and debris off of the
road. I have never had any major problems with other car/trucks in the past
(maybe a ding once in a while). I went to the dealer and he said that it
happens all of the time and he recomended putting a bug deflector on the
hood. He said that the trucks, for some unknown reason, seem to have this
problem more than some cars.?
It seems to me that either my luck is really bad or there might be a problem
with the paint (painted on a monday morning perhaps?).
How well do these bug deflectors work for small road debris on trucks?
If anyone has any experiences/suggestions please let me know, thanks.
--Greg
thorn@wam.umd.edu
From: schludermann@sscvx1.ssc.gov
Subject: RFI:Art of clutchless shifting
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Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
I'm wondering if anybody else out there is a clutchless shifter? I've been
doing it my self over 200,000 miles, on my current toyota truck I've got
over 150k. I've heard people talk about how doing this can damage a
transmission. My experiences suggest otherwise. What techniques do you use?
On some old pieces of junk I drove, the transmission was so
worn that pumping the clutch was the only way to shift, except clutchless.
To date I've driven rabbits, datsuns, comets, fords & a chevy. Some where
harder than others to shift but generally the higher the milage the smoother
quicker & easier they where to shift.
My technique is to ease back off the throttle and at the same time gently
wrist back on the shift lever. If for some reason I miss the shift window,
I lightly press the accelerator & try agian. I've found that clutchless
shifting is eaiser/quicker at high rpms (4000-7000). I also skip gears some
times using 1-3-5 ,1-2-4-5.
krispy
From: jitloke@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Jit-Loke Lim)
Subject: Re: BRAINDEAD Drivers Who Don't Look Ahead--
Keywords: bad drivers
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.
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>In article <1993Apr14.140642.19875@cbnewsd.cb.att.com> hhm@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (herschel.h.mayo) writes:
>anybody is going anywhere. So, I block the would-be passers. Not only for my own
>good , but theirs as well even though they are often too stupid to realize it.
Ah, we are looking for good people just like you. We are a very concerned
group of citizens who are absolutely disgusted at the way that the majority
of drivers simply disobey traffic rules like going above the speed limit,
passing on our right, and riding our tails, while all the while we respectfully
abide by the rules of this great country and maintain the mandated speed
limits with our calibrated, certified cruise controls, while keeping the
respectful 1.5 car length distance/10 mph speed. How many times have you been
ticked off by some moron who jumps ahead in the (5.5 * 1.5)8.25 car lengths
that you have left between you and the vehicle ahead of you while driving
55 mph? Finally you have an option. We are a totally member supported group
that perform functions for our own good, for the good of this great country  but MOST of all for those unfortunate ones that are too stupid to realize it,
bless their souls. For a paltry $10, you can join Citizens for Rationally
Advanced Piloting(C.R.A.P), a non-profit, members only, society. But, but,but,
there is a slight hitch, the initiation rite. To be a full fledged member of
this exclusive club, you must proof that you are able to be in the fast lane of
the busiest interstate in your area, keep the correct 1.5 car lenth/10 mph speedand I know this can be difficult with those morons around, NOT let anybody pass
you, not in the next lane, not in the slow lane, not in the breakdown lane,
not NOWHERE. For a complete list of acceptable interstates and times, send $5.
And by the way, over 90% of our members are highly regarded attorneys in the
auto field and they are completely, absolutely positively in the business ONLY
to serve your best interests. As a testament to their virtues, they will give
members 90% off the initial consultation fee. Feel free to drop me a line at
your earliest convenience and remember, only SPEED kills!
Jit
From: mani@raunvis.hi.is (M'ani Thorsteinsson)
Subject: Lois Chevrolet?
Distribution: rec
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Nntp-Posting-Host: raunvis.hi.is
I was whatching The History Of The Indy 500 the other day,
and early in the film, around the '10-'20's, a name, Lois Chevrolet,
came out of the blue. I wanted to know if he is THE Chevrolet founder
or mearly a driver who's name was called the same as the other guy's?:^)
KONI.
From: sgs1679@ucs.usl.edu (Sudhindranath Sira G)
Subject: HELP!!!! (Mercury Capri Query).
Keywords: Gas mileage, High idling, Carburettor, Tune-up.
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette
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Hi Folks,
I recently bought a 1981 Mercury Capri (my first car ever!).
I have noticed a few problems with the car :
1. It gives very low gas mileage (something like
11 miles / gallon ; I hear other car owners speak of
gas-mileage figures like 25 miles/gallon (wow!) etc.).
2. When I start the car, it goes into high idling (something
like 1500 (or is it 15000 ?) rpm. After driving 4 or 5 miles,
it comes down to 300 (or 3000?) rpm.
I would like to know if there is any way by which I can fix these
problems. Or is it natural for an old car like this ? (it has
done about 117,000 miles). Someone suggested that I change/rebuild/
recondition the carburettor. I am not prepared to do it
unless I am sure it will fix the problem. And yes, I got the
car tuned-up recently (within the last 200 miles or so).
Please let me know if you have any suggestions. Please respond
by email since I don't scan this newsgroup regularly.
Thanks.
Regards,
--Sudhi.
--
Sira Gopinath Sudhindranath. email : sudhi@ucs.usl.edu.
"Is he one of us or is he one of them ?" ---- so ask small-minded men.
Those of noble mind think the entire world as their family. [Hitopadesha]
From: sehrlich@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Scott R. Ehrlich)
Subject: Help find Stolen Car
Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA
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I offered to relay this information for a ham friend of mine without
Internet access:
His name is Robert (Bob) Wondolowski, N1KDA, and his car was a
1985 Brown Cutlas Sierra Sedan, Massachusetts plate 716ADL.
His HT (Yaesu FT415) and mobile antenna were also included in the car.
It was stolen from Lynn, Mass. about 10 days ago (being on April 6).
If anyone has any information about the car's whereabouts, please e-mail
me.
Thank you for taking the time to read this message.
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| Amateur Radio: wy1z          Packet Radio: wy1z@k1ugm.ma.usa.na	      |
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From: plkg_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Paul K. Gloger)
Subject: Subaru Shop manuals for sale
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Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York
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o Subaru Service Manuals ................................... $10.00
This is not a complete set, but includes sections 4, 5
& 6 which cover MECHANICAL COMPONENTS (suspension, wheels
& axles, steering, brakes, pedals & control cables, heater
& ventilator, air conditioning), BODY (body & exterior,
doors & windows, seats, seat belts, interior, instrument
panel), and ELECTRICAL (engine electrical system, body
electrical system, wiring diagram, and trouble-shooting).
These are the genuine Subaru issue manuals.  They are for
model year 1986, but have plenty of good information that
applies to other years as well.
And, as long as I'm posting (end of car stuff),
o Miscellaneous Darkroom Equipment ........................ $75.00
Solar enlarger (several objective lenses) with easel and
timer, negative carriers for 35mm and 2 1/4 x 3 1/4, misc.
printing masks.  Developing tanks, thermometer, trays,
constant-temperature bath, ground glass, mirrors, darkroom
lamps, glassware, el-cheap-o tripods..... and (as they say)
MUCH   MORE!
o Beautiful Antique Buffet ............................... $1500.00
Solid cherry (no veneer).  Handmade, with very interesting
dovetail corners in the drawers.  Built (we think) around
1880.  Not gaudy or covered with gew-gaws; a simple, elegant
piece of furniture, but too big (60" long, 37" tall, 24"
deep) for our little Cape Cod house.
Will deliver pricier items (ie, over $10) anywhere in the Rochester
area.  (And will consider delivering the others.)  Will deliver any
of it on UofR Campus between now and graduation.
Call or E-Mail:   Paul or Mary
(716) 359-2350  (Just south of Rochester, NY)
plkg_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu
From: sdexter@shl.com (Scott Dexter)
Subject: Isuzu Amigo opinions wanted....
Organization: SHL Systemhouse Inc.
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Distribution: usa
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Is there anyone out there in NetLand that has/has had one of these?
Can someone give me a non-Consumer Reports review (or point me to a source) ???
Thanks
Scott
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sdexter@ucrengr.ucr.edu
Computer Science Undergraduate,
University of California, Riverside
Internet :  138.23.166.21
sdexter@technet1.shl.com
Facilities Engineer,
SHL SystemHouse, Inc. ,Technology Network
Internet : 192.75.61.2
" You say its gonna happen "now"
What exactly do you mean?
You see I've already waited too long,
And all my hope is gone "
- The Smiths
From: khalsa@spartanSanDiego.NCR.com (G.K. Khalsa)
Subject: Re: Options that would be great to have...
Reply-To: g.k.khalsa@sandiego.ncr.com
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing, San Diego, CA
Lines: 36
In article <93Apr16.185510.36600@acs.ucalgary.ca>, parr@acs.ucalgary.ca
(Charles Parr) writes:
>
>
>
> A list of options that would be useful. They can be existing
> options on a car, or things you'd like to have...
>
> 1) Tripmeter, great little gadget. Lets you keep rough track of
>    mileage, makes a good second guesser for your gas gauge...
>
> 2) Full size spare
>
> 3) Built in mountings and power systems for radar detectors.
>
> 4) a fitting that allows you to generate household current with
> the engine running, and plug ins in the trunk, engine compartment
> and cabin.
>
> Feel free to add on...
OK...
5) How about a fuel gauge that *really* told you how much fuel was
left.  Like, "can I make it to where the gas is $1.14 or should
I get gouged right here at $1.35?"  Accurate to the tenth of a
gallon would be great.
...............................................................
|                    |   On Contract To:                      |
|     GK Khalsa      |      NCR Engineering and Manufacturing |
|....................|      16550 W. Bernardo Dr.             |
|  (619) 485-2460    |      San Diego, CA 92127               |
!....................!........................................!
!.................g.k.khalsa@sandiego.ncr.com.................!
From: brandt@cs.unc.edu (Andrew Brandt)
Subject: 4Runner and Pathfinder recent changes.
Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
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Keywords: 4runner, pathfinder, change, update
I am interested in finding out how the 4Runner and Pathfinder have
been updated in the past few years.  Like new engine, suspension and
the like.  I noticed that the 1993 and 1992 4Runners are identical,
for example, and was looking into buying a used one.
Any info would be appreciated, esp. models/years to check out or
avoid.
Thx, Andy (brandt@cs.unc.edu)
From: oprsfnx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (Stephen F. Nicholas)
Subject: Re: Plymouth Sundance/Dodge Shadow experiences?
Organization: Georgia State University
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daubendr@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Darren R Daubenspeck) writes:
>> they are pretty much junk, stay away from them.  they will be replaced next
>> year with all new models.
>Junk?  They've made the C&D lists for years due to their excellent handling and
>acceleration.  They have been around since about, oh, 85 or 86, so they're not
>the newest on the lot, and mileage is about five to eight MPG under the class
>leader.  You can get into a 3.0 L v-6 (141 hp) Shadow for $10~11K (the I-4
>turbo a bit more), and a droptop for $14~15K.
As an ex-Fleet Mgr. of 3000 cars, they were amoung the most trouble free of
all models.  I bought one for my wife.
From: rwf2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ROBERT WILLIAM FUSI)
Subject: Re: Best Radar Detector ???
Organization: Lehigh University
Lines: 38
In article <1993Apr10.013011.808@lrc.edu>, burnside_br@lrc.edu writes:
>In article <1993Apr6.225034.7184@opencon.com>, giand@opencon.com (Deepak S. Gia
nchandani) writes:
>> Mubashir Cheema:
>>
>>      Don't buy one, that is the best way to avoid tickets,
>>      I used to have one and whenever a cop would pull me over, see
>>      the thing, give me a ticket.  One time my sister was driving,
>>      and had it in the glove compartment, it was broken, and she
>>      got a ticket.  In 1987, I had received 4 tickets because of
>>      it, one for my sister (so a total of five).
>>
>>      That was five years ago, now I don't have one and Have not
>>      gotten a ticket.  My driving habits have not changed
>>      drastically.  Only two days ago I was going 77 MPH on Highway
>>      with 55 MPH limit, cop saw me, I break a little, nothing
>>      happened (I was driving a Mini-Van, with my family in it).
>>      Otherwise, I have Cutlass Supreme,  which I do 70 most of the
>>      times on the highway.
>>
>>      So basically my opnion is not to get one, if you do get pulled
>>      over, The cop will hear your excuse, but if you have a radar
>>      detecter, he will NOT. (again, this has been my experienc
>
>
>Just get a remote model that is not visible to the cop.  But, be sure to get
>front AND rear sensors...
>
You can also just put the detector off to the side on the dash so the cop
doesn't see it right away...Valentine is the best detector by far (as stated
by Car and Driver) and even tells you what direction the radar is coming from.
It also gives the amount of "threats" it is picking up, so if you go through
the same place everyday, and it always goes off there, you can glance at the
number of "threats" the Valentine is detecting to see if it is a genuine cop.
It's about $300 and you can only get it factory direct..one problem.
Rob Fusi
rwf2@lehigh.edu
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From: smith@ctron.com (Lawrence C Smith)
Subject: Re: MR2 - noisy engine.
Organization: Cabletron Systems, Inc.
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In article <Apr21.053718.19765@engr.washington.edu>, eliot@lanmola.engr.washington.edu (eliot) writes:
>if the noise really bugs you, there is nothing else that you can do
>except to sell it and get a V6.
Perhaps a nice used '88 Pontiac Fiero GT?  2.8 liters.
Does anyone know if the motor mounts for the 2.8 and the twin-dual-cam 3.4
liter match?  The 3.4 is supposedly derived from the pushrod 3.1, which was
a punched out 2.8 liter.  Should be a drop-in replacement, eh?  205 horses in
a mid-engine the size of a Fiero?
Larry Smith (smith@ctron.com)  No, I don't speak for Cabletron.  Need you ask?
-
Liberty is not the freedom to do whatever we want,
it is the freedom to do whatever we are able.
From: rwf2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ROBERT WILLIAM FUSI)
Subject: Re: Most bang for $13k
Organization: Lehigh University
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In article <23056.74.uupcb@cutting.hou.tx.us>, david.bonds@cutting.hou.tx.us (Da
vid Bonds) writes:
>In rec.autos, CPKJP@vm.cc.latech.edu (Kevin Parker) writes:
> I'd like to get some feedback on a car with most bang for the buck in the
> $13000 to 16,000 price range. I'm looking for a car with enough civility to be
> driven every day, or even on long trips, but when I hit the gas, I want to fee
l
>
>Take a look at a '91 Taurus SHO - they can be found for ~13k, and are the
>ultimate in 4 door sports cars.  Performance similar to a Mustang, but
>quite civil and comfortable...  Try to get a late model 91 for the better
>shifter.
>
>
>----
>The Cutting Edge BBS (cutting.hou.tx.us)   A PCBoard 14.5a system
>Houston, Texas, USA   +1.713.466.1525          running uuPCB
>Well, you could always go with a 5.0 Mustang LX with a pleasant V8, but the
diamond star cars (Talon/Eclipse/Laser) put out 190 hp in the turbo models,
and 195 hp in the AWD turbo models,  These cars also have handling to match
the muscle, and are civil in regular driving conditions, rather than having a
harsh, stiff ride....The AWD Turbo is clearly the better choice of the two
(because of all that torque steer on the front drive model), but you may have
to go with a leftover or "slightly" used model for that price range....tough
decision...
Rob Fusi
rwf2@lehigh.edu
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From: gkirkaldie@sanity.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (George Kirkaldie)
Organization: Sanitarium BBS - Cambridge, Ontario, Canada
Subject: Re: birds - are they physics majors?
Reply-To: gkirkaldie@sanity.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.04 Rev. Sep  5 1992
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In <C5pn2p.L44@darkside.osrhe.uoknor.edu>, Operator writes:
}Crazy question: "Anyone ever wonder how birds can drop a load on a car
}going over 65 MPH" ?
}
}I took a non-stop trip, got shitted on FOUR times (every time hitting the
}windshield, not even the open sunroof!  Guess we have conscientious birds ;)
}Was going 75 MPH.
}
}
I used to have a '67 Galaxie convertible, was sitting at a light waiting
for it to turn green. It turned green, but I hesitated a little (sleeping I
guess) and a bird bombed me, it landed directly in front of me at eye
level, I guess the bird miscalculated and thought I was going to take off
right away.
And I'm still trying to figure out the one I got under my rear bumper as
well ?!?!?! Was the bird flying up and doing fancy acrobatics at my car and
decided to drop one while executing a perfect loop??
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From: mcrosbie@batman.bmd.trw.com
Subject: Any Syclone or Typhoon owners out there?
Lines: 4
I want to start of list for Syclone and Typhoon owners.  If you are interested
in participating, please contact me via e-mail.
Merrill
From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc)
Subject: Re: wife wants convertible
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
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nuet_ke@pts.mot.com (KEITH NUETZMAN X3153 P7625) writes:
>HELP!!!
>my wife has informed me that she wants a convertible for her next car.
>We live in South Fla., so we are definitely in the right are for one.
>My wife has mentioned the Miata, but I think it is too small.
>I would like to wait for the new Mustangs ( Dec. '93 I think).
>Anyone have any opinions on any/all convertibles in a reasonable price range.
>                                           Thanx
The Olds Supreme Convertible got high marks in C/D's recent test, if
you can get by the stupid body moldings and stuff.  The Saab 900 ragtop may
be out of your range, but its a good choice.  Is there a new F-car convertible?
The Nissan 240SX convertible is a nice car also... Those immediately come to
mind...
--
Chintan Amin <The University of Illinois UrbanaChampaign> mail: llama@uiuc.edu
******************************Neil Peart, (c)1981*****************************
*"Quick to judge, Quick to Anger, Slow to understand, Ignorance and Prejudice*
*And********Fear********Walk********************Hand*********in*********Hand"*
From: jkjec@westminster.ac.uk (Shazad Barlas)
Subject: Re: Manual Shift Bigots wanted
Organization: University of Westminster
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The best auto-shifters on the street (AND NOT THE TRACK) are those from
Porsche... they wont change if you floor the gas during a turn.... a few
years back a was in a 200SX auto (you guys call it a 240SX [without turbo])
and was going round a corner.... I floored it and next thing I know I was
pointing backwards! The other drivers seemed quite amused ;-)
....Shaz....
From: jkjec@westminster.ac.uk (Shazad Barlas)
Subject: Re: Improvements in Automatic Transmissions
Organization: University of Westminster
Lines: 5
I just wanted to know:
To wheelspin in an auto, you keep the gear in N - gas it - then stick the
gear in D... I've never tried this but am sure it works - but does this screw
up the autobox? We're having a bit of a debate about it here...
From: jkjec@westminster.ac.uk (Shazad Barlas)
Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time
Organization: University of Westminster
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Dumbest options? Well here in the UK, BMW offer a 'no-smokers' option...
It just means they take the fag lighter out.... big deal....
BTW - I just bought a Honda CRX F1..... its neat... did consider an MR2 targa,
MX5 (you guys call it Miata?).... but that CRX just one my heart with that
body kit and 8-spokes....
ps: is Richard out there somewhere?
From: rhorwell@crab.network-a (Roland Faragher-Horwell,crab)
Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all tim
Reply-To: rhorwell@atc.boeing.com
Organization: Boeing Computer Services
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In article 1EL@targhee.idaho.amdahl.com, rbs@sawtooth.idaho.amdahl.com (Bob Smith) writes:
>In article <1993Apr7.173712.23250@cas.org>, sdm24@cas.org () writes:
>> IMHO, the dumbest thing we *ever* did in copying the Japanese was moving the
>> dimmer switch from the floor to the lever controlling the turn signal/cruise
>> control/bun warmer, etc.
>
>Well, my 1973 Porsche had the dimmer on the turn signal stalk.  Guess those
>dumb Germans were copying the Japanese too. :-)
>
>[rest deleted]
>> --
Not to mention my friend's '54 Citroen Traction Avant with the light switch and
dimmer integrated in a single stalk off the steering column!   Those dumb French
were apparently copying the Japanese before the Germans!  :^)
Roland
From: rhorwell@crab.atc.boeing.com (Roland Faragher-Horwell,crab)
Subject: Re: What is " Volvo " ?
Reply-To: rhorwell@atc.boeing.com
Organization: Boeing Computer Services
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In article 21071@sernews.raleigh.ibm.com, mperry@vnet.ibm.com (Mark Perry) writes:
>>Hardly a good reason, most US cars do too - and plenty of people
>>buy them (in the US anyway :-). I think the 850 is quite a good
>>looking car - unlike the US influenced 740!
>>
>>kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch
>
>I don't think it's so easy to tell the 850 from any other 7 or 9 series unless
>you look real close. I really do think Volvo's are all dogs though beacuse they
>are 1.Agricultural
While previous Volvos have been essentially very fast tractors, the 3,4 and 8 series
are far from 'agricultural' in design or execution (how many FWD tractors have you
seen?).
>2.Have godlier than thou advertising.
You state this like it is a bad thing.  :^)  (remember, car companies use
ad agencies - they don't do their own ads!)
>3.are part of Renault.
Is this true?  I know that they had done joint ventures with Renault, but I haven't
heard about their subsumption into Renault - does this mean that the French Government
now owns Volvo?  - anyway, Renault makes some very nice cars, they just don't sell
'em in N. America!
>
>However... One thing that I do think is in their favour is that they are
>immediately recognisable as a VOLVO and that is not something you can say
>about most Japanese manufacturers and Ford. Saab also have a strong corparate
>look which like it or not is what I thing all car makers could aim for to
>make life a little more varied.
Here! Here!
>
>
>mperry@vnet.ibm.com
Roland
rhorwell@atc.boeing.com
From: eliot@lanmola.engr.washington.edu (eliot)
Subject: Re: Manual Shift Bigots
Organization: clearer than blir
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In article <C5LIw2.CAx@news.rich.bnr.ca> Peon w/o Email (Eric Youngblood) writes:
>In article <1qn2lo$c9s@vela.acs.oakland.edu>, mje@pookie.pass.wayne.edu (Michael J. Edelman) writes:
>The big disadvantage of automatics is the ~10% HP they consume that never
>gets to the wheels.  In this respect they are at a disadvantage to a manual.
only when the torque converter is not locked up.  there are autos out there
with converter lock up in 2nd, 3rd and 4th gears.
>Dont forget that now that new 6 speed manual trannys are available the drive
>train is more optimally geared to get the most out of the engine.
rare.. so are 5 speed autos.. but very real.
>Bottom line is both manuals and automatics have vastly improved.
i think that automatics have advanced far more than manuals.
especially in shift intelligence.  i say that a smart automatic is
better than the majority of drivers in terms of being in the right
gear at the right time, which to me is more important than torque
converter losses.
>I prefer the stick for fun and the auto for traffic.
who says you can't have your cake and eat it too?  a well designed
shifter will easily facilitate manual, clutchless shifts.  i am
referring to the much copied mercedes jagged gate.  the only
department where you lose out is in the number of ratios available,
and of course the converter losses..
if ayrton senna can drive a racecar with fully automatic transmission,
it can't be half bad..  :-)
eliot
From: matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (Matthew MacIntyre at the National University of Senegal)
Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...
Organization: National University of Singapore
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callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) writes:
: >>
: >I'm not going to argue the issue of carrying weapons, but I would ask you if
: >you would have thought seriously about shooting a kid for setting off your
: >alarm?  I can think of worse things in the world.  Glad you got out of there
: >before they did anything to give you a reason to fire your gun.
:
I think people have a right to kill to defend their property. Why not? Be
honest: do you really care more about scum than about your  car?
From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen)
Subject: Re: SHO and SC
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
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In article <C5L8rE.28@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) writes:
>Why anyone would order an SHO with an automatic transmission is
>beyond me; if you can't handle a stick, you should stick with a
>regular Taurus and leave the SHO to real drivers. That is not to
>say that there aren't real drivers who can't use the stick (eg
>disabled persons), but they aren't in any position to use an
>SHO anyway.
actually, disabled persons have been known to drive in SCCA
races.  i'd be careful about making sweeping generalizations here.
i'd prefer a manual transmission, but the early SHO had an
awful transmission that felt like it came out of a truck or something.
it was almost enough to make me want an automatic.
-teddy
From: boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle)
Subject: Re: Too fast
Article-I.D.: cactus.1993Apr17.063040.2177
Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx
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In article <1qmcih$dhs@armory.centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes:
>boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) writes:
>>The quality of autobahns is something of a myth. The road surface
>>isn't much different to a typical TX freeway. They are better
>>in terms of lighting, safety, signs, roadmarkings etc.
>
>They light the highways in Texas?  Funny, everywhere else I've been
>they only light 'em at junctions.
Sorry, by "they" I meant autobahns, not US freeways.
>
>I won't even get into how much road markings vary between states and
>localities except to say that there are some areas where markings are
>essentially nonexistant.
>
>>>than most of the roads here. A dip in the asphalt that you test your
>>>shocks on at 60 will kill you at 130. Don't get me wrong, I love to
>
>>It would have to be quite severe. I don't recall any US freeway,
>>without road damage warnings, that i would regard as unsafe
>>at 130 in any decent, well damped car.
>
>I suspect you have very limited experience -- US freeways vary
>dramatically, particularly between states.  I can name a number of
>interstate highways in various parts of the country where 130 would be
>very optimistic in any car.
Well, I've driven in every state but Alaska, and drive about 60k per year.
I take long cross country trips any chance I get - its fun for me and I
can get reimbursment.
My job allows me to drive rather than fly. Not to labor the point, but
I've driven just about every freewayin the US, Germany, UK and France plus
some in Mexico, which was surpisingly good.
>
>I'm not sure what you call "quite severe" in terms of road deviations
>but I suspect every single bridge junction on I84 through CT would be
>considered so.  They're hard to take at 85mph.  That's not the only
>interstate I've seen with such deviations, but it's one I drive
>frequently.
Yes, but as a %age of the total freeway in the US?
All you have to do in this case is mark the hazard, advising people to
slow to 85 or so.
>
>Texas is pretty much an edge-case -- you can't assume that everywhere
>has roads in such good condition, such flat terrain, and such
Texas freeways are varied, sometimes a good surface. Mostly flat. But,
I5 in CA is comparable and hilly.
>wide-open spaces.  It just ain't so.
>
Given the absence of other traffic and car built for 130 (e.g. 535)
most US freeways are just fine. The problem is other road users and
cops.
>jim frost
>jimf@centerline.com
Craig
From: boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle)
Subject: Re: Plymouth Sundance/Dodge Shadow experiences?
Article-I.D.: cactus.1993Apr17.065015.3554
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In article <oprsfnx.735015349@gsusgi1.gsu.edu> oprsfnx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (Stephen F. Nicholas) writes:
[stuff about Dodge Shadow deleted]
> As an ex-Fleet Mgr. of 3000 cars, they were amoung the most trouble free of
>all models.  I bought one for my wife.
What do you mean by "all models", all models of cars, all Chrysler models,
all models that the fleet manager had bought? Because there is no way in
hell that the Shadow is the most reliable car of all models sold, not
even Chrysler's dept. of lies, damned lies and statistics would claim that.
Craig
>
From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen)
Subject: Re: Ultimate AWD vehicles
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
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In article <Apr16.215151.28035@engr.washington.edu> eliot@stalfos.engr.washington.edu (eliot) writes:
>the price of parts is a different story though...
you can say that again.
how does $23 for a new thermostat sound?
-teddy
From: schrader@pi.eai.iastate.edu (Dave Schrader)
Subject: 400 big block
Keywords: 400 big block
Article-I.D.: news.C5MF3F.LnB
Organization: Engineering Animation, Inc.
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As the subject says.  It has 70k and my brother-in-law wants $250.  Please don't
reply to me as I am posting this for him. Here's his numbers :
5pm-10pm   712 676 3669
daytime    712 269 1261
--
Dave Schrader
schrader@eai.iastate.edu
From: gaia@carson.u.washington.edu (I/We are Gaia)
Subject: Re: Plymouth Sundance/Dodge Shadow experiences?
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
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In article <oprsfnx.735015349@gsusgi1.gsu.edu> oprsfnx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (Stephen F. Nicholas) writes:
>daubendr@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Darren R Daubenspeck) writes:
>
>
>>> they are pretty much junk, stay away from them.  they will be replaced next
>>> year with all new models.
>
>
>>Junk?  They've made the C&D lists for years due to their excellent handling and
>>acceleration.  They have been around since about, oh, 85 or 86, so they're not
>>the newest on the lot, and mileage is about five to eight MPG under the class
>>leader.  You can get into a 3.0 L v-6 (141 hp) Shadow for $10~11K (the I-4
>>turbo a bit more), and a droptop for $14~15K.
>
>
> As an ex-Fleet Mgr. of 3000 cars, they were amoung the most trouble free of
>all models.  I bought one for my wife.
>
*nnnnnnnng* Thank you for playing, I cannot agree with this.  I believed
this and to put it nicely, it was a piece of junk!
I loved this car, I babied it, I pampered it, and after 2 years, it just
couldn't stay together, I would say that not everyone will have the
problems that I had, but know this, it's not just the car, it is the
ability to get the car fixed, which will NOT happen at any
chrysler/dodge/take your pick dealer.  I don't care if there are going to
reform their dealers/service with the intro of the LH cars, I will believe
it when I see it.  Case and point, the local dodge dealer.  You drive up,
just looking, you don't even get out of your door, when about 10 (yes 10)
salesman all eye you like their next meal, and literally pounce on you,
and try to get you to make a deal, on everything your eye wanders towards.
Service is about 2 times worse than that.  I had an alignment problem, but
they tried to tell me that the K frame was bent, and about 2000 dollars of
work/parts to fix it.  Let me tell you the problems I had, and I took care
of this car, I put alot of miles on it in the first couple years, but took
it to every checkup it needed, and many that shouldn't have been.
1988 Dodge Shadow ES
These were replaced within the 4 years that I owned the car.
Engine
4 Alternators
Rear Suspension Torsion Bar
2 Water pumps
5 thermostats
Hall effect sensor
Main computer
4 Batteries
These were rebuilt/repaired
Radiator
Automatic Transmission
Power Steering
Those are just the things I can remember off the top of my head.  For
about a year before I sold the car, I said to myself, it's a good car, I
just can't find anybody competent enough the fix it.  In the end, before I
traded it in for a Saturn, the power steering started acting up again.  I
just stopped putting money into it.  I must have put at least $5000-$7000
worth of repairs over it's lifetime.  I am sorry but Lee Iacocca can bite
me.  Bullshit, whoever backs em best, is just afraid the stupid things are
going to fall apart, and no one will buy them without assurance, why the
hell do you think that LH has been nicknamed Last Hope.
You can do better, and I know people will disagree with me here, but
Japanese, like Honda, or Toyota, or the only american car company that I
feel is a quality product, Saturn.  I will not touch another chrysler
product again, no way.  I don't care how good the LH cars look good, and I
will admit they look promising, but not with the support that you get.  GM
isn't much better, thank god, they don't control Saturn, like they do
their divisions, or it would be just another marketing ploy.
Don't get me wrong, i will be watching my car (which I do like) like a
hawk for the next 4 years.  I am much more hesitant to say it (or any) car
is really good, until it has proved itself to me.
But since someone else pointed out C&D as a source.  I will note, because
I used to read these magazines, that Car and Driver has never had a good
thing to say about most Chrysler products (Shadow for one), always were
they moaning about the reguritated K-car, and engine.  Whereas Motor Trend
always thought they were great cars.  No car magazine is really objective.
And although there are alot of people who don't like Consumers Reports, I
will use them to reinforce my argument (I already know about the big stink
with the Saturn crash tests, time will tell how good a car they are), the
shadow/sundance rate much worse than average, in fact none of the
chrysler's rate a better than average, I think the best one is just
average.  Excluding the diamond star/mitsubishi stuff and the LH's.  You
can find bad stuff about the Shadow.  Try as I might, when I researched
the Saturn, I could not find anything bad about it.  There is a great deal
of information about this company, just because it is a new american
company and it has created quite a stir in the automotive community, for
good reason.  Much more than the introduction of any new model lines of
any established company.  I read an article, which had a sub-column, an I
think this imprinted on me more than anything else.  Some big wig in
Toyota said and I quote, "We are watching them very closely."  Come on,
everybody grow up, the foreign cars, especially the japanese have been
kicking our butts, for good reason, the american car companies could not make
a good product or support the customer the way they want these days, to
set in their ways, which is one of the reasons Saturn was created.  They
are still struggling because they haven't learned yet.  They have the
ability, the workers are not inferior, the technology is not out of date,
but their attitude is, and they are just finding this out.  It's called
competition gentleman/women if you don't satisfy the demand of the
consumer, well your out..
*asbestos suit on*
Gaia
From: lovall@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Daniel L. Lovall)
Subject: Buick heater controls
Summary: My air vents don't work on my 71 Skylark
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University Physics Department
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I have a '71 Buick Skylark with 148K on it.  I bought it in California, and if
it'll let me, I'd like to keep it for another year.  The only problem is these
Indiana winters--my heater controls don't work.
The car has vacuum operated control switches for the vents.  Right now it is
stuck in the "vent" mode.  It will blow warm air, but I can't switch the air
flow to either the floor (I can live without this) or the defrost (I can't
live without this).  I probably could just jam the air deflector to the
defrost position, but this blows a lot of air in my face and is, well,
kind of like putting a vacuum cleaner in reverse.
I have taken parts of the dash off and looked at the vacuum system and I think
the problem (or part of it) is with the two diaphragms which control up/down
and outside/inside air flow.  THe diaphragm which controls outside(vent)/in-
side(no vent) air is cracked most of the way around, and the other one is
probably damaged too, considering the advanced age of the car.
Two questions:
1)  Is there anything I should be aware of about this (other than
the fact that I should move from Indiana) ?
2)  In the event that replacement diaphragms aren't available, is there
a way to "fix" this?
THanks for any advice/info
selah,
Dan
lovall@physics.purdue.edu
From: george.howell%goucher@wb3ffv.ampr.org (George Howell)
Subject: RE: IMPALA SS GOING INTO
Distribution: world
Organization: Goucher College, Towson, MD
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-> Does that mean that they're gonna bring back the Biscayne and Bel
-> Air?
Or how about the 210?
george.howell%goucher@wb3ffv.ampr.org
George
From: jmiller@network.com (Jeff J. Miller)
Subject: Re: Need info on Porsche 914's
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In article 6126@midway.uchicago.edu, buzy@quads.uchicago.edu (Len Buzyna) writes:
>Hi there,
>I've recently been toying with the idea of purchasing an old 914. The going
>rate seems to be about $4000 for cars with anywhere from 40-80K Mi.
>My question is this- what should I expect at this price? Should I expect to
>have extensive body work done? What about engine & transmission- should I
>likewise expect to have both virtually replaced? Along those lines,
>does anyone have the names & addresses of any mail-order parts
>suppliers for everything from engine to body parts? I'm completely new
>to the area of restoring cars, and as I don't actually do any work with
>cars, most of the work would have to be professionally done- what sould
>I expect the cost of upgrading a 914 to a rust-free, mechanically
>sound automobile?
>Thanks in advance,
>Andre
>..
>
True 914 enthusiasts will be able to give you a better answer then this
but I'll dump my impressions.  I've wanted to own a 914 for about 10 years
now; came close once but I ended up buying a Fiero instead (biggest mistake
of my life!)
Anyway, for $4000 you should be able to get a nice car but your also set
in the price range to get taken by a nice looker that is a pile of shit.
The most common total failure for the car would be frame rust between the
engine and passenger compartment.  Also look for chassis welded together
here.  Oh yeah, the price range you are talking about must be the 4 banger;
a 6 (if you could find one) would be mucho more bucks.
Parts for the engine are pretty easy to come by (for an old car) and you
can even locate crude in the JC Whitney catalog if you have too.
The machine itself is pretty simple (they use the spare tire for windshild
washer instead of a pump fer chris sake!) so getting it fixed by a good
bug/porsche mechanic would be easy.  Since it is mid-engine you may spend
more on labor for any mechanical work.
--
Jeff Miller                 Network Systems Corporation
Internetwork Group          7600 Boone Avenue North
jmiller@network.com         Minneapolis MN 55428   (612)424-4888
From: erich.lim@yob.sccsi.com (Erich Lim)
Subject: RE: MILITECH
Distribution: world
Organization: Ye Olde Bailey BBS - Houston, TX - 713-520-1569
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jchen@wind.bellcore.com (Jason Chen) writes:
-> I saw an interesting product in NY Auto Show, and would like to hear
-> your comments.
->
-> MILITECH(tm) is yet another oil additive. But the demonstration of
-> this product really impressive, if it didn't cheat.
Well, I heard that Militech stuff works pretty good too.. One of my
friends who races in SCCA sanctioned events and all that stuff got the
Militech stuff early as a trial thing, and he put it in his CRX..  He
says it worked great, but I didn't ask him for any details.
-Erich
erich.lim@yob.sccsi.com
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From: jdrout@scott.skidmore.edu (JTD is lost)
Subject: Honda New Car Info
Organization: Skidmore, somewhere down from reality
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From Kay Honda's "Helpful HInts ABout Your Honda" infromation sheet
(given to new owners of Honda vehicles).
"A burning smell may be evident from your new car shortly after taking
delivery."
--I now own a fire extinguisher;>--
"On Prelude S mels at temperatures above 32 degrees push the
accelerator pedal to the floor one time, release slowly, and with your
foot off the accelerator, crank the engine until it starts.  Moe than
5 seconds [!!!!!!! my note] of cranking may be required.  In
temperatures below 32 degrees the accelerator will have to be
depressed 2-3 times."
"Door panels and interior trim can be damaged if they are not buckled
by getting caught when closing doors."
"When shifting accord automatic transmissions from Park Neutral, or
Reverse into Drive the transmission shifts into 3rd gear."
"In case of towing:
1- Start the engine
2- Shift into drive from Park, then from Drive to neutral
3- Turn off engine"
--what if you are getting towed b/c engine won't run?--
"IF ENGINE DOES NOT RUN DO NOT USE THIS PROCEDURE!"
--Phew, I was worried!--
Insert smilies where appropriate, though this is REAL.
Jonathan
jdrout@scott.skidmore.edu
Skidmore College, Saratoga NY
93 Civic Si + aftermarket fogs (if you own one, you understand!)
From: c23tvr@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Thomas Redmond)
Subject: Re: $6700 for hail damage - a record?
Originator: c23tvr@koptsy17
Organization: Delco Electronics Corp.
Distribution: usa
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In article <1993Apr21.053516.28846@cactus.org>, boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) writes:
> In article <1993Apr20.203219.7724@pencom.com> stecz@pencom.com writes:
> >In article <1993Apr19.235711.7285@cactus.org> boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle)
> >writes:
> >>
> >>
> >> My 90 Integra was hit hard in the 3/25 hailstorm in Austin, TX.
> >> The insurance company cut me a check for $6600 ($100 deductible)
> >> last week.  Is this a record? Anybody else had settlements from
> >> the same hailstorm yet?
> >>
> >> Craig
> >
> >
> >Rumor has it that a guy at Dell Computer had his Miata totalled, so that would
> >be about $10k.
>
> I guess it either had the top down, or the hail ripped through the top, as
> you could not do $10k worth of hail damage to a Miata body.
>
> Craig
> >
> >
> >--
> >--
> >  John Steczkowski                        stecz@pencom.com
> >    The Constitution grants you the right to life, liberty, and the
> >    *pursuit* of happiness.  It does not attempt to guarantee that
> >    everyone *will* be happy.
>
>
There was a Volvo owner that had $3000 dollars worth of improvements to the
looks of the car by hail :).
From: klf@druwa.ATT.COM (FranklinKL)
Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...
Summary: Be careful about concealed weapons!!!
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In article <C5srIB.6AH@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu>, callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) writes:
| In article <1993Apr19.145238.9561@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> bqueiser@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Brian J Queiser) writes:
| >anything if he hadn't emptied his gun into the asshole.  Texas--it's
| >whole other country.
|
| That reminds me of one of Texas's ads...you hear a guy speaking in
| French (like it's a letter home), then the French moves to the
| background, and a French-accented voice come to the foreground, talking
| about how he went walking on the beach, and it felt so much like
| home that he decided to take his shoes off...and the rest of his
| clothes. It ended with "please send bail." :-)
|
| >On an rec.autos note, does anyone carry a gun on them or keep one in
| >their car (which is bad idea, isn't it?) if you work in a bad part of
| >town (or regularly go through one)?  Is this a loaded question?  :^)
|
| I normally have an unloaded Colt Delta in my glove box with a loaded
| magazine handy (which is perfectly legal in Oklahoma). For those
| times that I'm travelling inter-state, I keep an unloaded
| S&W .44 Magnum revolver in the glove box, with a speed-loader
|^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
| in my pocket (which is legal everywhere, under Federal law, Illinois
| State Police be hanged).
|
| As I've said before, this is stricly for defense; my insurance
| will pay to replace my car, but I only have one life...
|
| 				James
|
Carrying a pistol, loaded or unloaded, in the glove compartment, is
considered carrying a concealed weapon in Colorado and is illegal without
a concealed weapons permit.  Unless the law has been changed recently,
carrying a weapon openly is legal in Colorado but concealing it is illegal.
I read a newspaper account last year where police stopped a car on a
traffic infraction and observed a .357 magnum revolver sitting on the
seat.  The driver could not be cited for possessing or carrying the weapon
because it was not concealed.  The article stated that if the gun had
been discovered in the glove box, it would have been considered a crime.
--
Ken Franklin 	They say there's a heaven for people who wait
AMA     	And some say it's better but I say it ain't
GWRRA           I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints
DoD #0126       The sinners are lots more fun, Y'know only the good die young
From: hkon@mit.edu (Henry Kon)
Subject: sunroof leaks - I'm all wet
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My sunroof leaks.  I've always thought those things were a royal pain.
Can anyone provide any insight ?
I know the seal isn't great.  Maybe I could weld the stupid thing shut.
hk
From: kensib@cary112.its.rpi.edu (Brian C. Kensing)
Subject: Re: Manual Shift Bigots
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I prefer a manual to an automatic as it should be.  I believe that automatics
should only be manufactured for people with physical disabilities who otherwise
would not be able to drive.  Automatic transmissions allow drivers to be lazy.
More time is available to fiddle with the radio or to look at the scenery
instead of concentrating on the road.  The manual transmission keeps the drive
always doing something, granted it isn't a large movement.  Plus, driving should
be FUN!  Driving a manual is fun, driving an automatic is a chore.
In the case of shift speed, automatics can be made to shift far faster
that any human could move a stick.  If I was racing, I'd want and automatic.  For
normal driving go with the manual.
From: raman@translab.its.uci.edu (Balaji V. Ramanathan)
Subject: Re: Plymouth Sundance/Dodge Shadow experiences?
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In article <1qofeaINNn7h@shelley.u.washington.edu> gaia@carson.u.washington.edu (I/We are Gaia) writes:
>just stopped putting money into it.  I must have put at least $5000-$7000
>worth of repairs over it's lifetime.  I am sorry but Lee Iacocca can bite
>me.  Bullshit, whoever backs em best, is just afraid the stupid things area
The part about spending $5000-7000 on repairs reminds me
of an article I read in a magazine comparing the 5 year ownership costs
of a Toyota Camry and a Ford Taurus or something like that.  The result,
which they announced with great flourish was that it cost the same at the
end of the period.  That was their argument to prove that you don't go
wrong buying the Ford Taurus over the Camry.
Now, if I remember correctly, the Camry costs about $4000 or so more
in initial costs.  Essentially, it means that you spend about $4000 extra
on repairs on the Taurus.  That is ridiculous.  Every time your car
needs repairs, it is extra hassles, loss of time and a dozen other things.
I would much rather spend $5000 more in initial costs than spend $4000 more
in repair costs.
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Balaji Ramanathan,                   |
Institute of Transportation Studies, |         I don't believe in luck!
University of California, Irvine.    |              I RELY on it!!
From: dougs@Ingres.COM (DOUG SCHNEYMAN)
Subject: My two cars - Chevy Nova CL ('87) and Dodge 600 SE ('87)
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As you can see, I have two 1987 cars, both worth about $3000 each.
The problem is that maintenance costs on these two cars is
running about $4000 per year and insurance $3000 per year.
What am I doing wrong?
Within the last two months, the follows costs have occured:
Dodge 600 SE (Dodge's attempt at the American German car!)
$1,000 - replace head gasket
$300   - new radiator
Chevy Nova CL (Chevy's attempt at a Japan import!)
$500 - tune-up,oil change,valve gasket,middle exhaust pipe, misc.
Note also that the Chevy Nova CL (1987) has only 70 horsepwer!
Does anyone out there have a Chevy Nova with enough power
to get up even a small hill without knocking? Is there
something wrong with my car, I even use 93 octane gas!
(I have consider going to 110 octane if I can find it!)
Anyway, what are the best maintenance items to do-it-yourself,
and what equipment is needed?
Thanks,
-Doug (2 car Doug from Wayne,NJ)
From: zorro@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (John Grabowski)
Subject: Re: Taurus/Sable rotor recall
Organization: Temple University
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Antonio L. Balsamo (Save the wails) (balsamo@stargl.enet.dec.com) wrote:
: From: OPDBS@vm.cc.latech.edu
: Subject: Taurus/Sable rotor recall
:        My '92 Taurus GL with only 26k on the clock also has rotor warp.
:    Apparently they HAVEN'T fixed the problem yet.  But try convincing the Ford
:    service person to fix it for free...Right!!!
:    Tony
Gads, I have heard so many horror stories with Taurus and Sable cars!  I thought
these were premium American automobiles.  The way they sell, you'd think so.
Is Ford really no better than in the late '70s when it was turning out tin
cans like the Granada and the Fairmount?  Which would you get, a Taurus or
a Camry or Accord?
John
zorro@picasso.ocis.temple.edu
zorro@astro.ocis.temple.edu
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
From: rwf2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ROBERT WILLIAM FUSI)
Subject: Re: I'm getting a car, I need opinions.
Organization: Lehigh University
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In article <1993Apr17.175451.30896@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, ip02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (D
anny Phornprapha) writes:
>I have $30,000 as my budget.  I'm looking for a sports or GT car.
>
>What do you think would be the best buy?  (I'm looking for specific models)
>
>Thanks,
>Danny
>--
>
> I'd say an RX-7 would be RIGHT up there.  You could easily deal down to $30.
It has some of the most impressive performance figures around, and automotive
magazines eat it up.  One car to seriously consider in that price range.
Rob Fusi
rwf2@lehigh.edu
--
From: cf947@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chun-Hung Wan)
Subject: Re: I'm getting a car, I need opinions.
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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In a previous article, ip02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Danny Phornprapha) says:
>I have $30,000 as my budget.  I'm looking for a sports or GT car.
>
>What do you think would be the best buy?  (I'm looking for specific models)
>
>Thanks,
>Danny
>--
>
>===============================================================================
>=    "Hey! You programmers out there!     |    Danny Phornprapha              =
>=     Please consider this:               |    ip02@lehigh.edu                =
>=                                         |                                   =
>=     Bugs are another endangered earth   |    LUCC Student Konsultant        =
>=     Species needing your protection.    |    Work: (215) 758-4141           =
>
For an all out sports car, I'd go for the RX-7 without the sports
suspension (which is too stiff.)  For a little more practicality and more
comfort, the Nissan 300ZX Turbo is a good buy.  And for a good dose of
luxury, the Lexus SC300 is perfect (with a manual transmission of course.)
However, the Toyota Supra is coming out soon and if you like it's looks,
the performance is supposed to be great, almost race car like.  I don't
particulary like the Mitsubishi 3000GT's or the Dodge Stealths as they are
too heavy and aren't very nimble handlers for a sports car.
--
A motion picture major at the Brooks Institute of Photography, CA
Santa Barbara and a foreign student from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.
"The mind is the forerunner of all states."
From: brother@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Jesse McCabe)
Subject: There's rust on my Beamer! Help!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
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Actually I wasn't too surprised, since I bought it with the rust.  Any of you
got some ideas of getting rid of this CHEAPLY (key word)??  It has eaten all
the
way through on the door panels.  Can I use Bondo?
Also, is there a good paint that will bond to Aluminum rims?  The paint thati
was on my rims has peeled off, actually, there's some rust looking 'stuff' on
the rims themselves...  but it comes off pretty easily.
One more thing...
Have any of you done self-painting to a car?  How do you start?  What do I need
to do this?
Please help me!
Jesse
From: mchaffee@dcl-nxt07 (Michael T Chaffee)
Subject: Re: Chryslers Compact LH Sedans?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
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cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (CarolinaFan@uiuc) writes:
>shoppa@almach.caltech.edu (TIM SHOPPA) writes:
>>I thought that the V-10 was originally designed for a truck (not necessarily
>>a pickup!) and then just sort of dropped into the Viper's frame because
>>it fit and was available.  A friend of mine and I saw (and heard) a Viper,
>>and my friend's first response was that it sounded like a truck!  It sounded
>>fine to me, but then again, I don't like the whiny noise that most modern
>>sports car engines make.  BTW, the Viper we saw was moving at about 10mph,
>>just like all of the other cars on the 10 freeway heading east out of LA
>>on a Friday afternoon.  Looked really nice, though.
>	Actually, I was under the impression that the V-10 in the Viper was
>NOT the V-10 that Dodge was developing for its new Kenworths.  I have always
>thought it was the exhaust system and not the engine that produced the noise
>of a car...?
Well, yes, the exhaust is where the majority of the noise comes out, but the
basics (tone, firing cadence, etc.) are determined by the engine configuration.
In the case of the Viper, yes, we are discussing a HUGE multicylinder 90-deg.
engine, which will sound somewhat like a truck.  And my understanding, btw, is
that that V-10 engine was designed originally with the intention of being ad-
aptible for either the trucks or the Viper.  And from what I've heard (no first
hand knowledge :-( ) it's doing a pretty good job at both.
And the best exhaust sound in the world is now and will always be a 60-degree
DOHC Colombo-designed V-12.  Period.
Michael T. Chaffee
mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu	<----Email
mchaffee@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu	<----NeXTMail
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From: SKUKRETI@CHEMICAL.watstar.uwaterloo.ca (Sanjai Kukreti)
Subject: Advice on used car?
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Organization: University of Waterloo
Hi, I was looking for some helpful advice.
I'm a university student with about $7000 to spend, and I'm looking for a
used car. Does anyone have any useful advice they could offer to a first-
time buyer? I'm not looking for anything sporty, just something functional
and reliable (less maintenance costs). Anybody have any ideas on what models
might suit me?
Thanks
Sanjai
From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen)
Subject: Re: Plymouth Sundance/Dodge Shadow experiences?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
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In article <2BD0BDC3.25868@news.service.uci.edu> raman@translab.its.uci.edu (Balaji V. Ramanathan) writes:
>	The part about spending $5000-7000 on repairs reminds me
>of an article I read in a magazine comparing the 5 year ownership costs
>of a Toyota Camry and a Ford Taurus or something like that.  The result,
>which they announced with great flourish was that it cost the same at the
>end of the period.  That was their argument to prove that you don't go
>wrong buying the Ford Taurus over the Camry.
>
>	Now, if I remember correctly, the Camry costs about $4000 or so more
>in initial costs.  Essentially, it means that you spend about $4000 extra
>on repairs on the Taurus.  That is ridiculous.  Every time your car
>needs repairs, it is extra hassles, loss of time and a dozen other things.
>I would much rather spend $5000 more in initial costs than spend $4000 more
>in repair costs.
did you account for depreciation?  i seriously doubt that a taurus
would rack up an extra $4000 in repair costs over 5 years.
-teddy
From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Subject: Re: wife wants convertible
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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In a previous article, nuet_ke@pts.mot.com (KEITH NUETZMAN X3153 P7625) says:
>
>HELP!!!
>my wife has informed me that she wants a convertible for her next car.
>We live in South Fla., so we are definitely in the right are for one.
>My wife has mentioned the Miata, but I think it is too small.
>I would like to wait for the new Mustangs ( Dec. '93 I think).
>Anyone have any opinions on any/all convertibles in a reasonable price range.
>
>                                           Thanx
>
Geo Metro LSi
:-)
DREW
From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Subject: Re: Too fast
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In a previous article, callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) says:
>In article <1qn4ev$3g2@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes:
>>
>>In a previous article, wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) says:
>>
>>>In article <1qkon8$3re@armory.centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes:
>>>>larger engine.  That's what the SHO is -- a slightly modified family
>>>>sedan with a powerful engine.  They didn't even bother improving the
>>>>*brakes.*
>>>
>>>	That shows how much you know about anything.  The brakes on the
>>>SHO are very different - 9 inch (or 9.5? I forget) discs all around,
>>>vented in front.  The normal Taurus setup is (smaller) discs front,
>>>drums rear.
>>
>>one i saw had vented rears too...it was on a lot.
>>of course, the sales man was a fool..."titanium wheels"..yeah, right..
>>then later told me they were "magnesium"..more believable, but still
>>crap, since Al is so m uch cheaper, and just as good....
>>
>>i tend to agree, tho that this still doesn't take the SHO up to "standard"
>>for running 130 on a regular basis.  The brakes should be bigger, like
>>11" or so...take a look at the  ones on the Corrados.(where they have
>>braking regulations).
>
>Well, let's see...my T-Bird SC has a computer-controlled adjustable
>suspension, 4-wheel ABS disks (11" vented front, 10" (?) rear), 3-point
>belts, sturdy passenger compartment, aerodynamics good enough for
>NASCAR without too much change, 210 hp/310 ft-lb supercharged 3.8l V6,
>4-wheel independent suspension (plus limited-slip differential), with
>a top speed in excess of 130mph, and rides on V-rated tires (I have yet
>to find 225/60-R16s in any other speed rating).
>
>Is that "up to standard"? If not, why not?
>
>				James
james, i really hate to do this, but try reading the damn posts!
never was a t'bird mentioned.  The discussion was about SHO's and
'stangs not being up to spec.  I do not know about t'birds.  I
only know that the specs quoted for the SHO by previous poster sounded
a little anemic for me to say that it was up to snuff.  This does not
in any way  disencourage* me from wishing to own one, nor does it make it
a bad car.  It merely means that i think Ford could have added that extra
bit of safety  and tossed in larger brakes, as the wheels are plenty large
enough for them to fit (if memory serves right, which it may very well not)
and the motor plenty powerful enough to need it.
c ya
DREW
From: mchaffee@dcl-nxt07 (Michael T Chaffee)
Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
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matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (Matthew MacIntyre at the National University of Senegal) writes:
>callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) writes:
>: >>
>: >I'm not going to argue the issue of carrying weapons, but I would ask you if
>: >you would have thought seriously about shooting a kid for setting off your
>: >alarm?  I can think of worse things in the world.  Glad you got out of there
>: >before they did anything to give you a reason to fire your gun.
>:
>I think people have a right to kill to defend their property. Why not? Be
>honest: do you really care more about scum than about your  car?
I can't tell if Matt is being sarcastic here or not, but to be honest, many
automobiles are worth far more to their owners (in $$ value and $$ investment)
than the people that would take them.  I don't have figures on average property
tax in the U.S. or how much of it is allocated for housing projects, inferior
public schools, jails, or the like, but I have a feeling that the amount the
government steals from an honest, productive citizen to breed this trash is
significantly less than the value of many automobiles.  And for those who will
argue that the animals out there stealing cars and everything else (not to
mention committing COMPLETELY senseless acts of violence, such as rape) cannot
be valued in terms of money because they are human beings, I submit that they
are not human beings.  Jim Callison, I think, is on the right track.  And
Chintan Amin remarked earlier that we cannot blame environment for the actions
of a single criminal.  I couldn't agree more.  One could trace any crime back
to the environment/upbringing of the criminal; should we let all of them out,
from pickpockets to rapists to inside traders, because what they did wasn't
their fault?  Where does one draw the line?
$0.02
Michael T. Chaffee
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From: mchaffee@dcl-nxt07 (Michael T Chaffee)
Subject: Re: VIPER
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
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rmt6r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Roy Matthew Thigpen) writes:
>Last night I had a dream that my dad bought a Viper.
>I took it out for a test drive, without his knowledge,
>and had to push it all the way home just to avoid a ticket.
>Wierd dream, I wonder what it means....
Vell...Let's see...vas you muzzah in der passenger seat?  Or vas you muzzah in
der leefing room, vit you fazah?
M.
(Feeling a tad bit Freudian, doubtless inspired by the magnificent phallic-ness
(some word) of the Viper)
From: callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison)
Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...
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In article <1993Apr17.051701.3419@nuscc.nus.sg> matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (Matthew MacIntyre at the National University of Senegal) writes:
>callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) writes:
>: >>
>: >I'm not going to argue the issue of carrying weapons, but I would ask you if
>: >you would have thought seriously about shooting a kid for setting off your
>: >alarm?  I can think of worse things in the world.  Glad you got out of there
>: >before they did anything to give you a reason to fire your gun.
>:
>I think people have a right to kill to defend their property. Why not? Be
>honest: do you really care more about scum than about your  car?
Yo! Watch the attributions--I didn't say that!
Again, this isn't an appropriate forum for discussions on whether you
should shoot someone for property damage/vandalism/theft, but every
responsible gun owner realizes that there are limits, and the punishment
must fit the crime. I mean, think about it--is a (really) harmless
prank worth killing over?
As I said, the situation described (punks setting off alarms and
taunting people to come out) could turn very ugly very quickly, and
it is worth being prepared when your life is potentially on the line.
James
James P. Callison    Microcomputer Coordinator, U of Oklahoma Law Center
Callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu   /\    Callison@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu
DISCLAIMER: I'm not an engineer, but I play one at work...
The forecast calls for Thunder...'89 T-Bird SC
"It's a hell of a thing, killing a man. You take away all he has
and all he's ever gonna have."
--Will Munny, "Unforgiven"
From: mchaffee@dcl-nxt07 (Michael T Chaffee)
Subject: Re: Manual Shift Bigots
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
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eliot@lanmola.engr.washington.edu (eliot) writes:
>In article <C5LIw2.CAx@news.rich.bnr.ca> Peon w/o Email (Eric Youngblood) writes:
>>In article <1qn2lo$c9s@vela.acs.oakland.edu>, mje@pookie.pass.wayne.edu (Michael J. Edelman) writes:
>>The big disadvantage of automatics is the ~10% HP they consume that never
>>gets to the wheels.  In this respect they are at a disadvantage to a manual.
>only when the torque converter is not locked up.  there are autos out there
>with converter lock up in 2nd, 3rd and 4th gears.
W/r/t performance, converter lockup is purely irrelevant.  The lockup only
occurs at light throttle settings and serves only to improve MPG.  Mind you,
a converter clutch does a lovely job of improving MPG, but the additional
mechanical advantage of the converter gives you more acceleration (vs. locked
converter clutch) than its inherent losses take away.
Michael T. Chaffee
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From: gyu@bbn.com (George Yu)
Subject: Re: The Kuebelwagen??!!
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thwang@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Tommy Hwang) writes:
>	Sorry for the mis-spelling, but I forgot how to spell it after
>my series of exams and NO-on hand reference here.
>	Is it still possible to get those cute WWII VW Jeep-wanna-be's?
>A replica would be great I think.
>							-TKH '93
According to _The Complete Guide To Specialty Cars_, 7th Edition, from
Crown Publishing, it's the VW Kubelwagen (w/ 2 dots over the 'u').
The company is:
Wolfkam
P.O. Box 1608, Vika
0119 Oslo 1, Norway
011-47-30-26601 voice line
011-47-2-166138 FAX line
An excerpt from the blurb:
...This fine Kubel clone from Wolfkam is a very close copy of
the original, and offers the same all-weather and cross-country
capabilities as its WWII forebears.  The robust fiberglass body
kit is very complete, and includes all the hardware you will
need, except for your own VW donor car.  The phone number [...]
is the entire AT&T dialing sequence; call and ask for Karl
Torum, or send $5 cash or _International Money Order_
for a complete literature package.
George.
P.S., I'd be happy to share what info I have on other kit cars and
kit car manufacturers.
P.P.S., I'm looking for a used or partially completed Porsche 356
Speedster Convertible D replica from Intermeccanica.  I'd
appreciate any leads or advice/stories from any owners
out there.
From: n8846069@henson.cc.wwu.edu (BarryB)
Subject: Re: Plymouth Sundance/Dodge Shadow experiences?
Article-I.D.: henson.1993Apr18.083715.21366
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Organization: Western Washington University
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daubendr@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Darren R Daubenspeck) writes:
>> they are pretty much junk, stay away from them.  they will be replaced next
>> year with all new models.
>Junk?They've made the C&D lists for years due to their excellent handling and
>acceleration.They have been around since about, oh, 85 or 86, so they're not
>the newest on the lot, and mileage is about five to eight MPG under the class
>leader. You can get into a 3.0 L v-6 (141 hp) Shadow for $10~11K (the I-4
>turbo a bit more), and a droptop for $14~15K.
How can car be any good that has
S     N     A    C
U     D     N    E
written on the back with crooked letters as if a 2-year-old had
written it?  Hehhehehehahaha!
(About as silly as Crysler's attemps to make the label on the back
of some of their other cars appear like they are Mercedes.)
Sorry, I couldn't resist...
-BarryB
From: johnson@spectra.com (boyd johnson)
Subject: Re: Automotive crash test, performance and maintenance stats?
Organization: Spectragraphics Corporation
Distribution: usa
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<<I wrote>
<Is there a resource available to the consumer comparing all of the makes
<and models of automobiles, trucks, vans, etc. for survivability in a
<crash of different severities?
<...
<Also, I've found very little objective data comparing different
<vehicles for handling, pick-up, braking, expected maintenance, etc.
<I recall years ago Consumer Reports annual buyer's guide was much more
<informative in those aspects than it is now.
Thanks to a reply from someone I looked a little further and found what
I was looking for.  The April CR magazine has most of the above things.
Despite recent articles here the ratings looked pretty good for
relative comparison purposes.  Unfortunately the crash test comparisons
didn't include half of the cars I'm comparing.
Anybody know how '93 Honda Civic hatchbacks and Toyota Tercels fare in
an accident?
--
====== Boyd Johnson   nosc!spectra.com!johnson  San Diego, California ======
Intermittent newsfeed at best and only to selected groups.
My opinions certainly don't match those of my employer.
Subject: Re: Lexan Polish?
From: jeff@mri.com (Jonathan Jefferies)
Expires: Sun, 8 Aug 1993 07:00:00 GMT
Organization: Microtec Research, Santa Clara, California, USA
Keywords: Lexan, Plastic
Summary: Scratches in Plastic
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In article <C41soE.M62@ns1.nodak.edu> wilken@plains.NoDak.edu (Scott Wilken) writes:
>A couple of years ago I replaced the stock windscreen on my Interceptor
>with a higher one from National Cycle.  The thing happens to be made of
>Lexan.
>
>Can anyone recommend a polish to use on it that is safe for lexan?  Its
>starting to show a few scratches, and id like to polish them out..
>Go FAST!            |  Internet:  wilken@plains.nodak.edu   |     AMA #587126
>Take Chances!       |     UUCP: ..!uunet!plains!wilken      |     DoD #0087
>VF700F Interceptor  |        Bitnet:  WILKEN@PLAINS         |
Suggest McQuires #1 plastic polish.  It will help somewhat but nothing
will remove deep scratches without making it worse than it already is.
McQuires will do something for fine or light stuff.
Also suggest calling your local plastic shop.  In Calif. "TAP PLASTIC" is
a chain that carries most of what is needed for repair and sometimes
replacement of plastic bits.  Telephone in the Bay area is 415-962-8430.
I'm not sure how amenable they are to shipping.  I have found that they
have several excellent products for cleaning, and removing crap from
windscreens and face shields.  Also they have one called "lift-it" which
works real well in removing sticky stuffs such as adhessives from plastic
wihtout scratching same.
Luck,
Jonathan Jefferies, jeff@mri.com
From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: FAQ - What is the DoD?
Summary: Everything you always wanted to know about DoD, but were afraid to ask
Keywords: DoD FAQ
Article-I.D.: javelin.DoD.monthly_733561501
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This is a periodic posting intended to answer the Frequently Asked
Question: What is the DoD? It is posted the first of each month, with
an expiration time of over a month. Thus, unless your site's news
software is ill-mannered, this posting should always be available.
This WitDoDFAQ is crossposted to all four rec.motorcycles groups in an
attempt to catch most new users, and followups are directed to
rec.motorcycles.
Last changed 9-Feb-93 to add a message from the KotL, and a bit of
Halon.
VERSION 1.1
This collection was originally assembled by Lissa Shoun, from the
original postings. With Lissa's permission, I have usurped the title of
KotWitDoDFAQ. Any corrections, additions, bribes, etc. should be aimed at
blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com.
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Contents:
How do I get a DoD number?	by Blaine Gardner	DoD #46
DoD "Road Rider" article	by Bruce Tanner		DoD #161
What is the DoD?		by John Sloan		DoD #11
The DoD Logo			by Chuck Rogers		DoD #3
The DoD  (this started it all)	by The Denizen of Doom	DoD #1
The DoD Anthem			by Jonathan Quist	DoD #94
Why you have to be killed	by Blaine Gardner	DoD #46
The rec.moto.photo.archive	courtesy of Bruce Tanner DoD #161
Patches? What patches?		by Blaine Gardner	DoD #46
Letter from the AMA museum      by Jim Rogers, Director DoD #395
The DoD Rules			by consensus
Other rec.moto resources	by various Keepers	DoD #misc
The rec.moto.reviews.archive	courtesy of Loki Jorgenson DoD #1210
Updated stats & rides info	by Ed Green (DoD #111) and others
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How do I get a DoD number?
If the most Frequently Asked Question in rec.motorcycles is "What is the
DoD?", then the second most Frequently Asked Question must be "How do I
get a DoD number?" That is as simple as asking the Keeper of the List
(KotL, accept no substitue Keepers) for a number. If you're feeling
creative, and your favorite number hasn't been taken already, you can
make a request, subject to KotL approval. (Warning, non-numeric, non-
base-10 number requests are likely to earn a flame from the KotL. Not
that you won't get it, but you _will_ pay for it.)
Oh, and just one little, tiny suggestion. Ask the KotL in e-mail. You'll
just be playing the lightning rod for flames if you post to the whole
net, and you'll look like a clueless newbie too.
By now you're probably asking "So who's the KotL already?". Well, as
John Sloan notes below, that's about the only real "secret" left around
here, but a few (un)subtle hints can be divulged. First, it is not myself,
nor anyone mentioned by name in this posting (maybe :-), though John was
the original KotL. Second, in keeping with the true spirit of Unix, the
KotL's first name is only two letters long, and can be spelled entirely
with hexadecimal characters. (2.5, the KotL shares his name with a line-
oriented text utility.) Third, he has occasionally been seen posting
messages bestowing new DoD numbers (mostly to boneheads with "weenie
mailers"). Fourth, there is reason to suspect the KotL of being a
Dead-Head.
***************** Newsflash: A message from the KotL ******************
Once you have surmounted this intellectual pinnacle and electronically
groveled to the KotL, please keep in mind that the KotL does indeed
work for a living, and occasionally must pacify its boss by getting
something done.  Your request may languish in mailer queue for (gasp!)
days, perhaps even (horrors!) a week or two.  During such times of
economic activity on the part of the KotL's employers, sending yet
another copy of your request will not speed processing of the queue (it
just makes it longer, verification of this phenominon is left as an
excersize for the reader).  If you suspect mailer problems, at least
annotate subsequent requests with an indication that a former request
was submitted, lest you be assigned multiple numbers (what, you think
the KotL *memorizes* the list?!?).
***********************************************************************
One more thing, the KotL says that its telepathic powers aren't what
they used to be. So provide some information for the list, will ya?
The typical DoD List entry contains number, name, state/country, &
e-mail address. For example:
0111:Ed Green:CA:ed.green@East.Sun.COM
(PS: While John mentions below that net access and a bike are the only
requirements for DoD membership, that's not strictly true these days, as
there are a number of Denizens who lack one or both.)
Blaine (Dances With Bikers) Gardner   blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
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"Denizens of Doom", by Bruce Tanner (DoD 0161)
[Road Rider, August 1991, reprinted with Bruce's permission]
There is a group of motorcyclists that gets together and does all the normal
things that a bunch of bikers do.  They discuss motorcycles and
motorcycling, beverages, cleaning fluids, baklavah, balaclava, caltrops,
helmets, anti-fog shields, spine protectors, aerodynamics, three-angle valve
seats, bird hits, deer whistles, good restaurants, racing philosophy,
traffic laws, tickets, corrosion control, personalities, puns, double
entendres, culture, absence of culture, first rides and friendship.  They
argue with each other and plan rides together.
The difference between this group and your local motorcycle club is that,
although they get together just about everyday, most have never seen each
other face to face.  The members of this group live all over the known world
and communicate with each other electronically via computer.
The computers range from laptops to multi-million dollar computer centers;
the people range from college and university students to high-tech industry
professionals to public-access electronic bulletin-board users.  Currently,
rec.motorcycles (pronounced "wreck-dot-motorcycles," it's the file name for
the group's primary on-line "meeting place") carries about 2250 articles per
month;  it is read by an estimated 29,000 people.  Most of the frequent
posters belong to a motorcycle club, the Denizens of Doom, usually referred
to as the DoD.
The DoD started when motorcyclist John R. Nickerson wrote a couple of
parodies designed to poke fun at motorcycle stereotypes.  Fellow computer
enthusiast Bruce Robinson posted these articles under the pen name, "Denizen
of Doom."  A while later Chuck Rogers signed off as DoD nr. 0003 Keeper of
the Flame.  Bruce was then designated DoD nr. 0002, retroactively and, of
course, Nickerson, the originator of the parodies, was given DoD nr. 0001.
The idea of a motorcycle club with no organization, no meetings and no rules
appealed to many, so John Sloan -- DoD nr. 0011 -- became Keeper of the
List, issuing DoD numbers to anyone who wanted one.  To date there have been
almost 400 memberships issued to people all over the United States and
Canada, as well as Australia, New Zealand, the United Kingdom, France,
Germany, Norway and Finland.
Keeper of the List Sloan eventually designed a club patch.  The initial run
of 300 patches sold out immediately.  The profits from this went to the
American Motorcycle Heritage Foundation.  Another AMHF fund raiser --
selling Denizens of Doom pins to members -- was started by Arnie Skurow a
few months later.  Again, the project was successful and the profits were
donated to the foundation.  So far, the Denizens have contributed over $1500
to the AMA museum.  A plaque in the name of the Denizens of Doom now hangs
in the Motorcycle Heritage Museum.
As often as possible, the DoD'ers crawl out from behind their CRTs and go
riding together.  It turns out that the two largest concentrations of
DoD'ers are centered near Denver/Boulder, Colorado, and in California's
"Silicon Valley."  Consequently, two major events are the annual Assault on
Rollins Pass in Colorado, and the Northern versus Southern California
"Joust."
The Ride-and-Feed is a bike trip over Rollins Pass, followed by a big
barbecue dinner.  The concept for the Joust is to have riders from Northern
California ride south; riders from Southern California to ride north,
meeting at a predesignated site somewhere in the middle.  An additional plan
for 1991 is to hold an official Denizens of Doom homecoming in conjunction
with the AMA heritage homecoming in Columbus, Ohio, in July.
Though it's a safe bet the the Denizens of Doom and their collective
communications hub, rec.motorcycles, will not replace the more traditional
motorcycle organizations, for those who prowl the electronic pathways in
search of two-wheeled camaraderie, it's a great way for kindred spirits to
get together.  Long may they flame.
"Live to Flame -- Flame to Live"	[centerbar]
This official motto of the Denizens of Doom refers to the ease with which
you can gratuitously insult someone electronically, when you would not do
anything like that face to face.  These insults are known as "flames";
issuing them is called "flaming."  Flames often start when a member
disagrees with something another member has posted over the network.  A
typical, sophisticated, intelligent form of calm, reasoned rebuttal would be
something like:  "What an incredibly stupid statement, you Spandex-clad
poseur!"  This will guarantee that five other people will reply in defense
of the original poster, describing just what they think of you, your riding
ability and your cat.
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_The Denizens of Doom: The Saga Unfolds_
by John Sloan  DoD #0011
Periodically the question "What is DoD?" is raised. This is one of
those questions in the same class as "Why is the sky blue?", "If there
is a God, why is there so much suffering in the world?" and "Why do
women inevitably tell you that you're such a nice guy just before they
dump you?", the kinds of questions steeped in mysticism, tradition,
and philosophy, questions that have inspired research and discussion
by philosophers in locker rooms, motorcycle service bays, and in the
halls of academe for generations.
A long, long time ago (in computer time, where anything over a few
minutes is an eternity and the halting problem really is a problem) on
a computer far, far away on the net (topologically speaking; two
machines in the same room in Atlanta might route mail to one another
via a system in Chicago), a chap who wished to remain anonymous (but
who was eventually assigned the DoD membership #1) wrote a satire of
the various personalities and flame wars of rec.motorcycles, and
signed it "The Denizen of Doom". Not wishing to identify himself, he
asked that stalwart individual who would in the fullness of time
become DoD #2 to post it for him. DoD #2, not really giving a whit
about what other people thought and generally being a right thinking
individual, did so.  Flaming and other amusements followed.
He who would become the holder of DoD membership #3 thought this was
the funniest thing he'd seen in a while (being the sort that is pretty
easily amused), so he claimed membership in the Denizens of Doom
Motorcycle Club, and started signing his postings with his membership
number.
Perhaps readers of rec.motorcycles were struck with the vision of a
motorcycle club with no dues, no rules, no restrictions as to brand or
make or model or national origin of motorcycle, a club organized
electronically.  It may well be that readers were yearning to become a
part of something that would provide them with a greater identity, a
gestalt personality, something in which the whole was greater than the
sum of its parts.  It could also be that we're all computer nerds who
wear black socks and sneakers and pocket protectors, who just happen
to also love taking risks on machines with awesome power to weight
ratios, social outcasts who saw a clique that would finally be open
minded enough to accept us as members.
In a clear case of self fulfilling prophesy, The Denizens of Doom
Motorcycle Club was born. A club in which the majority of members have
never met one another face to face (and perhaps like it that way), yet
feel that they know one another pretty well (or well enough given some
of the electronic personalities in the newsgroup). A club organized
and run (in the loosest sense of the word) by volunteers through the
network via electronic news and mail, with a membership/mailing list
(often used to organize group rides amongst members who live in the
same region), a motto, a logo, a series of photo albums circulating
around the country (organized by DoD #9), club patches (organized by
#11), and even an MTV-style music video (produced by #47 and
distributed on VHS by #18)!
Where will it end? Who knows? Will the DoD start sanctioning races,
placing limits on the memory and clock rate of the on-board engine
management computers? Will the DoD organize poker runs where each
participant collects a hand of hardware and software reference cards?
Will the DoD have a rally in which the attendees demand a terminal
room and at least a 386-sized UNIX system? Only time will tell.
The DoD has no dues, no rules, and no requirements other than net
access and a love for motorcycles. To become a member, one need only
ask (although we will admit that who you must ask is one of the few
really good club secrets). New members will receive via email a
membership number and the latest copy of the membership list, which
includes name, state, and email address.
The Denizens of Doom Motorcycle Club will live forever (or at least
until next year when we may decided to change the name).
Live to Flame - Flame to Live
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The DoD daemon as seen on the patches, pins, etc. by
Chuck Rogers,  car377@druhi.att.com,  DoD #0003
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The DoD
by the Denizen of Doom    DoD #1
Welcome one and all to the flamingest, most wonderfullest newsgroup of
all time: wreck.mudder-disciples or is it reak.mudder-disciples? The
Names have been changes to protect the Guilty (riders) and Innocent
(the bikes) alike. If you think you recognize a contorted version of
your name, you don't. It's just your guilt complex working against
you. Read 'em and weep.
We tune in on a conversation between some of our heros. Terrible
Barbarian is extolling the virtues of his Hopalonga Puff-a-cane to
Reverend Muck Mudgers and Stompin Fueling-Injection:
Terrible: This Hopalonga is the greatest... Beats BMWs dead!!
Muck: I don't mean to preach, Terrible, but lighten up on the BMW
crowd eh?  I mean like I like riding my Yuka-yuka Fudgeo-Jammer
11 but what the heck.
Stompin: No way, the BMW is it, complete, that's all man.
Terrible: Nahhhh, you're sounding like Heritick Ratatnack! Hey, at
least he is selling his BMW and uses a Hopalonga Intercorruptor!
Not as good as a Puff-a-cane, should have been called a
Woosh-a-stream.
Stompin: You mean Wee-Stream.
Terrible: Waddya going to do? Call in reinforcements???
Stompin: Yehh man. Here comes Arlow Scarecrow and High Tech. Let's see
what they say, eh?
Muck: Now men, let's try to be civil about this.
High Tech: Hi, I'm a 9 and the BMW is the greatest.
Arlow: Other than my B.T. I love my BMW!
Terrible: B.T.???
Arlow: Burley Thumpison, the greatest all American ride you can own.
Muck: Ahhh, look, you're making Terrible gag.
Terrible: What does BMW stand for anyway???
Muck, Arlow, High: Beats Me, Wilhelm.
Terrible: Actually, my name is Terrible. Hmmm, I don't know either.
Muck: Say, here comes Chunky Bear.
Chunky: Hey, Hey, Hey! Smarter than your average bear!
Terrible: Hey, didn't you drop your BMW???
Chunky: All right eh, a little BooBoo, but I left him behind. I mean
even Villy Ogle flamed me for that!
Muck: It's okay, we all makes mistakes.
Out of the blue the West coasters arrive, led by Tread Orange with
Dill Snorkssy, Heritick Ratatnack, Buck Garnish, Snob Rasseller and
the perenial favorite: Hooter Boobin Brush!
Heritick: Heya Terrible, how's yer front to back bias?
Terrible: Not bad, sold yer BMW?
Heritick: Nahhh.
Hooter: Hoot, Hoot.
Buck: Nice tree Hooter, how'd ya get up there?
Hooter: Carbujectors from Hell!!!
Muck: What's a carbujector?
Hooter: Well, it ain't made of alumican!!! Made by Tilloslert!!
Muck: Ahh, come on down, we aren't going to flame ya, honest!!
Dill: Well, where do we race?
Snob: You know, Chunky, we know about about your drop and well, don't
ride!
Muck: No! No! Quiet!
Tread: BMW's are the greatest in my supreme level headed opinion.
They even have luggage made by Sourkraut!
High: My 9 too!
Terrible, Heritick, Dill, Buck: Nahhhhh!!!
Stompin, Tread, High, Chunky, Snob: Yesss Yessssss!!!
Before this issue could be resolved the Hopalonga crew called up more
cohorts from the local area including Polyanna Stirrup and the
infamous Booster Robiksen on his Cavortin!
Polyanna: Well, men, the real bikers use stirrups on their bikes like
I use on my Hopalonga Evening-Bird Special. Helpful for getting
it up on the ole ventral stand!
Terrible: Hopalonga's are great like Polyanna says and Yuka-Yuka's and
Sumarikis and Kersnapis are good too!
Booster: I hate Cavortin.
All: WE KNOW, WE KNOW.
Booster: I love Cavortin.
All: WE KNOW WE KNOW.
Muck: Well, what about Mucho Guzlers and Lepurras?
Snob, Tread: Nawwwwww.
Muck: What about a Tridump?
Terrible: Isn't that a chewing gum?
Muck: Auggggg, Waddda about a Pluck-a-kity?
Heritick: Heyya Muck, you tryin' to call up the demon rider himself?
Muck: No, no. There is more to Mudder-Disciples than arguing about make.
Two more riders zoom in, in the form of Pill Turret and Phalanx Lifter.
Pill: Out with dorsal stands and ventral stands forever.
Phalanx: Hey, I don't know about that.
And Now even more west coasters pour in.
Road O'Noblin: Hopalonga's are the greatest!
Maulled Beerstein: May you sit on a bikejector!
Suddenly more people arrived from the great dark nurth:
Kite Lanolin: Hey, BMW's are great, men.
Robo-Nickie: I prefer motorcycle to robot transformers, personally.
More riders from the west coast come into the discussion:
Aviator Sourgas: Get a Burley-Thumpison with a belted-rigged frame.
Guess Gasket: Go with a BMW or Burley-Thumpison.
With a roar and a screech the latest mudder-disciple thundered in. It
was none other that Clean Bikata on her Hopalonga CaBammerXorn.
Clean: Like look, Hopalonga are it but only CaBammerXorns.
Muck: Why??
Clean: Well, like it's gotta be a 6-banger or nothin.
Muck: But I only have a 4-banger.
Clean: No GOOD!
Chunky: Sob, some of us only have 2-bangers!
Clean: Inferior!
Stompin: Hey, look, here's proof BMW's are better. The Bimmer-Boys
burst into song: (singing) Beemer Babe, Beemer Babe give me a
thrill...
Road, Terrible, Polyanna, Maulled, Dill etc.: Wadddoes BMW stand for?
Heritick, Stompin, Snob, Chunky, Tread, Kite, High, Arlow: BEAT'S ME,
WILHEM!
Road, Terrible, Polyanna, Maulled, Dill etc.: Oh, don't you mean BMW?
And so the ensuing argument goes until the skies clouded over and the
thunder roared and the Greatest Mudder-Disciple (G.M.D.) of them all
boomed out.
G.M.D.: Enough of your bickering! You are doomed to riding
Bigot & Suction powered mini-trikes for your childish actions.
All: no, No, NO!!! Puhlease.
Does this mean that all of the wreck.mudder-disciples will be riding
mini-trikes?  Are our arguing heros doomed?  Tune in next week for the
next gut wretching episode of "The Yearning and Riderless" with its
ever increasing cast of characters.  Where all technical problems will
be flamed over until well done.  Next week's episode will answer the
question of: "To Helmet or Not to Helmet" will be aired, this is heady
material and viewer discretion is advised.
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Script for the Denizens of Doom Anthem Video
by Jonathan E. Quist   DoD #94
[Scene:  A sterile engineering office.  A lone figure, whom we'll call
Chuck, stands by a printer output bin, wearing a white CDC lab coat,
with 5 mechanical pencils in a pocket protector.]
(editor's note: For some reason a great deal of amusement was had at
the First Annual DoD Uni-Coastal Ironhorse Ride & Joust by denizens
referring to each other as "Chuck". I guess you had to be there. I
wasn't.)
Chuck:  I didn't want to be a Software Systems Analyst,
cow-towing to the whims of a machine, and saying yessir, nosir,
may-I-have-another-sir.  My mother made me do it.  I wanted
to live a man's life,
[Music slowly builds in background]
riding Nortons and Triumphs through the highest mountain passes
and the deepest valleys,
living the life of a Motorcyclist;
doing donuts and evading the police;
terrorizing old ladies and raping small children;
eating small dogs for tea (and large dogs for dinner).  In short,
I Want to be      A Denizen!
[Chuck rips off his lab coat, revealing black leather jacket (with
fringe), boots, and cap.  Scene simultaneously changes to the top of
an obviously assaulted Rollins Pass.  A small throng of Hell's Angels
sit on their Harleys in the near background, gunning their engines,
showering lookers-on with nails as they turn donuts, and leaking oil
on the tarmac.  Chuck is standing in front of a heavily chromed Fat
Boy.]
Chuck [Sings to the tune of "The Lumberjack Song"]:
I'm a Denizen and I'm okay,
I flame all night and I ride all day.
[Hell's Angels Echo Chorus, surprisingly heavy on tenors]:
He's a Denizen and he's okay,
He flames all night and he rides all day.
I ride my bike;
I eat my lunch;
I go to the lavat'ry.
On Wednesdays I ride Skyline,
Running children down with glee.
[Chorus]:
He rides his bike;
He eats his lunch;
He goes to the lavat'ry.
On Wednesdays he rides Skyline,
Running children down with glee.
[Chorus refrain]:
'Cause He's a Denizen...
I ride real fast,
My name is Chuck,
It somehow seems to fit.
I over-rate the worst bad f*ck,
But like a real good sh*t.
Oh, I'm a Denizen and I'm okay!
I flame all night and I ride all day.
[Chorus refrain]:
Oh, He's a Denizen...
I wear high heels
And bright pink shorts,
full leathers and a bra.
I wish I rode a Harley,
just like my dear mama.
[Chorus refrain]
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Why you have to be killed.
Well, the first thing you have to understand (just in case you managed
to read this far, and still not figure it out) is that the DoD started
as a joke. And in the words of one Denizen, it intends to remain one.
Sometime in the far distant past, a hapless newbie asked: "What does DoD
stand for? It's not the Department of Defense is it?" Naturally, a
Denizen who had watched the movie "Top Gun" a few times too many rose
to the occasion and replied:
"That's classified, we could tell you, but then we'd have to kill you."
And the rest is history.
A variation on the "security" theme is to supply disinformation about
what DoD stands for. Notable contributions (and contributers, where
known) include:
Daughters of Democracy (DoD 23)		Doers of Donuts
Dancers of Despair (DoD 9)		Debasers of Daughters
Dickweeds of Denver			Driveway of Death
Debauchers of Donuts			Dumpers of Dirtbikes
Note that this is not a comprehensive list, as variations appear to be
limited only by the contents of one's imagination or dictionary file.
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The rec.moto.photo archive
First a bit of history, this all started with Ilana Stern and Chuck
Rogers organizing a rec.motorcycles photo album. Many copies were made,
and several sets were sent on tours around the world, only to vanish in
unknown locations. Then Bruce Tanner decided that it would be appropriate
for an electronic medium to have an electronic photo album. Bruce has not
only provided the disk space and ftp & e-mail access, but he has taken
the time to scan most of the photos that are available from the archive.
Not only can you see what all these folks look like, you can also gawk
at their motorcycles. A few non-photo files are available from the
server too, they include the DoD membership list, the DoD Yellow Pages,
the general rec.motorcycles FAQ, and this FAQ posting.
Here are a couple of excerpts from from messages Bruce posted about how
to use the archive.
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Via ftp:
cerritos.edu [130.150.200.21]
Via e-mail:
The address is server@cerritos.edu.  The commands are given in the body of the
message.  The current commands are DIR and SEND, given one per line.  The
arguments to the commands are VMS style file specifications.  For
rec.moto.photo the file spec is [DOD]file.  For example, you can send:
dir [dod]
send [dod]bruce_tanner.gif
send [dod]dodframe.ps
and you'll get back 5 mail messages; a directory listing, 3 uuencoded parts
of bruce_tanner.gif, and the dodframe.ps file in ASCII.
Oh, wildcards (*) are allowed, but a maximum of 20 mail messages (rounded up to
the next whole file) are send.  A 'send [dod]*.gif' would send 150 files of
50K each; not a good idea.
--
Bruce Tanner        (213) 860-2451 x 596    Tanner@Cerritos.EDU
Cerritos College    Norwalk, CA             cerritos!tanner
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A couple of comments: Bruce has put quite a bit of effort into this, so
why not drop him a note if you find the rec.moto.photo archive useful?
Second, since Bruce has provided the server as a favor, it would be kind
of you to access it after normal working hours (California time).
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Patches? What patches?
You may have heard mention of various DoD trinkets such as patches &
pins. And your reaction was probably: "I want!", or "That's sick!", or
perhaps "That's sick! I want!"
Well, there's some good news and some bad news. The good news is that
there's been an amazing variety of DoD-labeled widgets created. The bad
news is that there isn't anywhere you can buy any of them. This isn't
because of any "exclusivity" attempt, but simply because there is no
"DoD store" that keeps a stock. All of the creations have been done by
individual Denizens out of their own pockets. The typical procedure is
someone says "I'm thinking of having a DoD frammitz made, they'll cost
$xx.xx, with $xx.xx going to the AMA museum. Anyone want one?" Then
orders are taken, and a batch of frammitzes large enough to cover the
pre-paid orders is produced (and quickly consumed). So if you want a
DoD doodad, act quickly the next time somebody decides to do one. Or
produce one yourself if you see a void that needs filling, after all
this is anarchy in action.
Here's a possibly incomplete list of known DoD merchandise (and
perpetrators). Patches (DoD#11), pins (DoD#99), stickers (DoD#99),
motorcycle license plate frames (DoD#216), t-shirts (DoD#99), polo shirts
(DoD#122), Zippo lighters (DoD#99) [LtF FtL], belt buckles (DoD#99), and
patches (DoD#99) [a second batch was done (and rapidly consumed) by
popular demand].
All "profits" have been donated to the American Motorcyclist Association
Motorcycle Heritage Museum. As of June 1992, over $5500 dollars has been
contributed to the museum fund by the DoD. If you visit the museum,
you'll see a large plaque on the Founders' Wall in the name of "Denizens
of Doom, USENET, The World", complete with a DoD pin.
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Here's a letter from the AMA to the DoD regarding our contributions.
~Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
~From: Arnie Skurow <arnie@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
~Subject: A letter from the Motorcycle Heritage Museum
~Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 11:04:58 GMT
I received the following letter from Jim Rogers, director of the Museum,
the other day.
"Dear Arnie and all members of the Denizens of Doom:
Congratulations and expressions of gratitude are in order for you and the
Denizens of Doom!  With your recent donation, the total amount donated is
now $5,500.  On behalf of the AMHF, please extend my heartfeld gratitude
to all the membership of the Denizens.  The club's new plaque is presently
being prepared.  Of course, everyone is invited to come to the museum to
see the plaque that will be installed in our Founders Foyer.  By the way,
I will personally mount a Denizens club pin on the plaque.  Again, thank
you for all your support, which means so much to the foundation, the
museum, and the fulfillment of its goals.
Sincerely,
Jim Rogers, D.O.D. #0395
Director
P.S.  Please post on your computer bulletin board."
As you all know, even though the letter was addressed to me personally,
it was meant for all of you who purchased DoD goodies that made this
amount possible.
Arnie
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The Rules, Regulations, & Bylaws of the Denizens of Doom Motorcycle Club
From time to time there is some mention, discussion, or flame about the
rules of the DoD. In order to fan the flames, here is the complete text
of the rules governing the DoD.
Rule #1. There are no rules.
Rule #0. Go ride.
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Other rec.motorcycles information resources.
There are several general rec.motorcycles resources that may or may not
have anything to do with the DoD. Most are posted on a regular basis,
but they can also be obtained from the cerritos ftp/e-mail server (see
the info on the photo archive above).
A general rec.motorcycles FAQ is maintained by Dave Williams.
Cerritos filenames are FAQn.TXT, where n is currently 1-5.
The DoD Yellow Pages, a listing of motorcycle industry vendor phone
numbers & addresses, is maintained by bob pakser.
Cerritos filename is YELLOW_PAGES_Vnn, where n is the rev. number.
The List of the DoD membership is maintained by The Keeper of the List.
Cerritos filename is DOD.LIST.
This WitDoD FAQ (surprise, surprise!) is maintained by yours truly.
Cerritos filename is DOD_FAQ.TXT.
Additions, corrections, etc. for any of the above should be aimed at
the keepers of the respective texts.
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(Loki Jorgenson loki@Physics.McGill.CA) has provided an archive site
for motorcycle and accessory reviews, here's an excerpt from his
periodic announcement.
**********************************************************
The Rec.Motorcycles.Reviews Archives (and World Famous Llama
Emporium) contains a Veritable Plethora (tm) of bike (and accessories)
reviews, written by rec.moto readers based on their own experiences.
These invaluable gems of opinion (highly valued for their potential to
reduce noise on the list) can be accessed via anonymous FTP, Email
server or by personal request:
Anonymous FTP:		ftp.physics.mcgill.ca (132.206.9.13)
under ~ftp/pub/DoD
Email archive server:		rm-reviews@ftp.physics.mcgill.ca
Review submissions/questions:	rm-reviews@physics.mcgill.ca
NOTE: There is a difference in the addresses for review submission
and using the Email archive server (ie. an "ftp.").
To get started with the Email server, send an Email message with a line
containing only "send help".
NOTE: If your return address appears like
domain!subdomain!host!username
in your mail header, include a line like (or something similar)
path username@host.subdomain.domain
If you are interested in submitting a review of a bike that you
already own(ed), PLEASE DO!  There is a template of the format that the
reviews are kept in (more or less) available at the archive site .
For those who have Internet access but are unsure of how anonymous
FTP works, an example script is available on request.
**********************************************************
Reviews of any motorcycle related accessory or widget are welcome too.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Updated stats & rec.motorcycles rides info
Some of the info cited above in various places tends to be a moving
target. Rather than trying to catch every occurence, I'm just sticking
the latest info down here.
Estimated rec.motorcycles readership: 35K  [news.groups]
Approximate DoD Membership: 975  [KotL]
DoD contributions to the American Motorcyclist Association Motorcycle
Heritage Museum. Over $5500  [Arnie]
Organized (?) Rides:
Summer 1992 saw more organized rides, with the Joust in its third
year, and the Ride & Feed going strong, but without the Rollins Pass
trip due to the collapse of a tunnel.  The East Coast Denizens got
together for the Right Coast Ride (RCR), with bikers from as far north
as NH, and as far south as FL meeting in the Blueridge Mountains of
North Carolina.  The Pacific Northwest crew organized  the first Great
Pacific Northwest Dryside Gather (GPNDG), another successful excuse for
riding motorcycles, and seeing the faces behind the names we all have
come to know so well.  [Thanks to Ed Green for the above addition.]
Also worth mentioning are: The first rec.moto.dirt ride, held in the
Moab/Canyonlands area of southern Utah. Riders from 5 states showed up,
riding everything from monster BMWs to itty-bitty XRs to almost-legal
2-strokes.  And though it's not an "official" (as if anything could be
official with this crowd) rec.moto event, the vintage motorcycle races
in Steamboat Springs, Colorado always provides a good excuse for netters
to gather.  There's also been the occasional Labor Day gather in Utah.
European Denizens have staged some gathers too.  (Your ad here,
reasonable rates!)
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--
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland   580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108
blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com     BIX: blaine_g@bix.com      FJ1200
Half of my vehicles and all of my computers are Kickstarted.      DoD#46
--
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland   580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108
blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com     BIX: blaine_g@bix.com      FJ1200
Half of my vehicles and all of my computers are Kickstarted.      DoD#46
From: manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes)
Subject: Re: Oops! Oh no!
Organization: Manes and Associates, NYC
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]
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Wm. L. Ranck (ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu) wrote:
:    I hate to admit this, and I'm still mentally kicking myself for it.
: I rode the brand new K75RT home last Friday night.  100 miles in rain
: and darkness.  No problems.  Got it home and put it on the center stand.
:    The next day I pushed it off the center stand in preparation for going
: over to a friend's house to pose.  You guessed it.  It got away from me
: and landed on its right side.
:    Scratched the lower fairing, cracked the right mirror, and cracked the
: upper fairing.
:    *DAMN* am I stupid!  It's going to cost me ~$200 to get the local
: body shop to fix it.  And that is after I take the fairing off for them.
: Still, that's probably cheaper than the mirror alone if I bought a
: replacement from BMW.
You got off cheap.  My sister's ex-boyfriend was such an incessant pain
in the ass about wanting to ride my bikes (no way, Jose) that I
finally took him to Lindner's BMW in New Canaan, CT last fall where
I had seen a nice, used K100RS in perfect condition.  After telling
everyone in the shop his Norton war stories from fifteen years ago,
signing the liability waiver, and getting his pre-flight, off he went...
Well, not quite.  I walked out of a pizza shop up the street,
feeling good about myself (made my sister's boyfriend happy and got
the persistent wanker off my ass for good), heard the horrendous
racket of an engine tortured to its red line and then a crash.  I
saw people running towards the obvious source of the disturbance...
Jeff laying under the BMW with the rear wheel spinning wildly and
someone groping for the kill switch.  I stared in disbelief with
a slice hanging out of my mouth as Matty, the shop manager, slid
up beside me and asked, "Friend of yours, Steve?".  "Shit, Matty,
it could have been worse.  That could been my FLHS!"
Jeff hadn't made it 10 inches.  Witnesses said he lifted his feet
before letting out the clutch and gravity got the best of him.
Jeff claimed that the clutch didn't engage.  Matty was quick.
While Jeff was still stuttering in embarrassed shock he managed
to snatch Jeff's credit card for a quick imprint and signature.  Twenty
minutes later, when Jeff's color had paled to a flush, Matty
presented him with an estimate of $580 for a busted right mirror
and a hairline crack in the fairing.  That was for fixing the crack
and masking the damaged area, not a new fairing.  Or he could buy the
bike.
I'm not sure what happened later as my sister split up with Jeff shortly
afterwards (to hook up with another piece of work) except that Matty
told me he ran the charge through in December and that it went
uncontested.
--
Stephen Manes					   manes@magpie.linknet.com
Manes and Associates				   New York, NY, USA  =o&>o
From: randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis)
Subject: Re: A Miracle in California
Article-I.D.: megatek.1993Apr5.223941.11539
Reply-To: randy@megatek.com
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
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In article <1ppvof$92a@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> egreen@East.Sun.COM writes:
|Bikers wave to bikers the world over.  Whether or not Harley riders
|wave to other bikers is one of our favorite flame wars...
I am happy to say that some Harley riders in our area are better than most
that are flamed about here: I (riding a lowly sport bike, no less) and my
girlfriend were the recipient of no less than twenty waves from a group of
at least twenty-five Harley riders.  I was leading a group of about four
sport bikes at the time (FJ1200/CBR900RR/VFR750).  I initiated *some* of the
waves, but not all.  It was a perfect day, and friendly riders despite some
brand differences made it all the better...
Randy Davis                            Email: randy@megatek.com
ZX-11 #00072 Pilot                            {uunet!ucsd}!megatek!randy
DoD #0013
Subject: Re: more DoD paraphernalia
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford)
Distribution: world
Organization: Winona State University
Nntp-Posting-Host: stafford.winona.msus.edu
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In article <1pppnrINNitg@cronkite.Central.Sun.COM>,
doc@webrider.central.sun.com (Steve Bunis) wrote:
>
> How about a decal of thicker vinyl?
How about a Geeky temporary tatoo?  I mean, why should the
RUBs be exempt from a little razzing.
====================================================
John Stafford   Minnesota State University @ Winona
All standard disclaimers apply.
From: maven@eskimo.com (Norman Hamer)
Subject: Re: A Miracle in California
Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <-
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Re: Waving...
I must say, that the courtesy of a nod or a wave as I meet other bikers while
riding does a lot of good things to my mood... While riding is a lot of fun by
itself, there's something really special about having someone say to you "Hey,
it's a great day for a ride... Isn't it wonderful that we can spend some time
on the road on days like this..." with a gesture.
Was sunny today for the first time in a week, took my bike out for a spin down
to the local salvage yard/bike shop... ran into about 20 other people who were
down there for similar reasons (there's this GREAT stretch of road on the way
down there... no side streets, lotsa leaning bends... ;) ... Went on an
impromptu coffee and bullshit run down to puyallup with a batch of people who
I didn't know, but who were my kinda people nonetheless.
As a fellow commented to me while I was admiring his bike... "Hey, it's not
what you ride, it's that you ride... As long as it has 2 wheels and an engine
it's the same thing..."
--
----
maven@eskimo.com (InterNet)         maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (UseNet)
The Maven@The Mavenry (AlterNet)
From: MJMUISE@1302.watstar.uwaterloo.ca (Mike Muise)
Subject: Re: Drinking and Riding
Lines: 19
Organization: Waterloo Engineering
In article <C4wKBp.B9w@eskimo.com>, maven@eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:
>  What is a general rule of thumb for sobriety and cycling? Couple hours
> after you "feel" sober? What? Or should I just work with "If I drink
> tonight, I don't ride until tomorrow"?
1 hr/drink for the first 4 drinks.
1.5 hours/drink for the next 6 drinks.
2 hours/drink for the rest.
These are fairly cautious guidelines, and will work even if you happen to
have a low tolerance or body mass.
I think the cops and "Don't You Dare Drink & Drive" (tm) commercials will
usually say 1hr/drink in general, but after about 5 drinks and 5 hrs, you
could very well be over the legal limit.
Watch yourself.
-Mike
________________________________________________
/ Mike Muise / mjmuise@1302.watstar.uwaterloo.ca \ no quotes, no jokes,
\ Electrical Engineering, University of Waterloo / no disclaimer, no fear.
From: egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Subject: Re: insect impacts
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
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Distribution: world
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NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com
In article 7290@rd.hydro.on.ca, jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:
>>>
>>>how _do_ the helmetless do it?
>>
>>Um, the same way people do it on
>>horseback
>
>not as fast, and they would probably enjoy eating bugs, anyway
Every bit as fast as a dirtbike, in the right terrain.  And we eat
flies, thank you.
>>jeeps
>
>you're *supposed* to keep the windscreen up
then why does it go down?
>>snow skis
>
>NO BUGS, and most poeple who go fast wear goggles
So do most helmetless motorcyclists.
>The question still stands. How do cruiser riders with no or negligible helmets
>stand being on the highway at 75 mph on buggy, summer evenings?
helmetless != goggleless
---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
(The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
From: egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Subject: Re: A Miracle in California
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
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In article 602CV3dTx01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com, bws20@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Brian W Simmons) writes:
>
>Now maybe this isn't a big deal to some of you, but it is to me.  I was raised
>in the South, and part of my cultural heritage is waving at passersby.  I
>waved from the side of the road at passing cars, when I drove I waved or
>nodded or at least raised an index finger from the steering wheel.  People
>waved at me as I drove by.
I was raised in the South, and I can attest that this is true.  Why, on
one particularly hot day, as I was walking along the road, some good
ole boys in a truck tossed me a cold beer!  Of course, they were going
50 mph at the time...
>P.S. To prove this wasn't a fluke, it happened to me again when I was out
>riding on Wednesday: an unsolicited wave. Wow...
Bikers wave to bikers the world over.  Whether or not Harley riders
wave to other bikers is one of our favorite flame wars...
---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
(The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
From: jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu (JACK ROGERS WATERS)
Subject: Re: Cultural Enquiries
Article-I.D.: ncsu.1993Apr5.220413.24002
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
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In article <C50uGG.9As@cmptrc.lonestar.org> irwin@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Irwin Arnstein) writes:
>In article <1phuse$5u1@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
>>In article 28712@aber.ac.uk, azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) writes:
>>>Two questions that fascinate me:-
>>
>>Check you local blue light special for a sale on lives...
>>
>>>1) Why are rednecks called rednecks?
>>
>>The origin of the slang is probably a reference to a sunburned neck,
>>often obtained while performing honest work outdoors.  The neck is
>>specified to distinguish these people, whose shirt-protected chest and
>>back are pale, from the elitist wealthy, who, in their idiotic quest
>>for darker skin pigmentation as a badge of leisure time, overdo it and
>>get full-body sunburns.
>>
>
>More like those who use their backs instead of their minds to make
>their living who are usually ignorant and intolerant of anything outside
>of their group or level of understanding.
>--
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
>"Tuba" (Irwin)      "I honk therefore I am"       CompuTrac-Richardson,Tx
>irwin@cmptrc.lonestar.org    DoD #0826            (R75/6)
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
That sounds like an awfully closed minded, intolerant attitude.
1/2  :')
I'm not a redneck but . . . try a walk in their shoes first.  Stereotypes
are usually of very limited value.  I've seen as many ignorant
self-righteous "open minded" new age lovers of the great planet Earth
as I have ignorant "red necks".  I don't see a correlation. I don't
believe that the "redneck" culture, if you can call it that, is
necessarily inferior or superior to any other.
I gotta have a beer, I'm making too much sense.  Next thing you know,
I'll be preaching tolerance . . .. and I'm a conservative.
Jack Waters II
DoD#1919
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~ I don't fear the thief in the night.  Its the one that comes in the  ~
~ afternoon, when I'm still asleep, that I worry about.                ~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant)
Subject: Carrying crutches (was Re: Living
Article-I.D.: usenet.1pqhkl$g48
Reply-To: ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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In a previous article, pooder@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Don Fearn) says:
>
>When I broke my right leg in two places (not a motorcycle accident -- a
>_car_ accident; who woulda thunk it?) I put my crutches on Gretchen's rear
>rack.  I'm getting the metal rod pulled out on Friday and going back on
>the crutches for six weeks.  I think crutches on the handlebars sound more
>aesthetically pleasing.  How did you attach them?
When I got my knee rebuilt I got back on the street bike ASAP. I put
the crutches on the rack and the passenger seat and they hung out back a
LONG way. Just make sure they're tied down tight in front and no problemo.
--
Go fast. Take chances.
Mike S.
From: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca
Subject: Re: Kawi Zephyr? (was Re: Vision vs GpZ 550)
Organization: BC Systems Corporation
Lines: 14
In article <1993Apr4.135829.28141@pro-haven.cts.com>, shadow@pro-haven.cts.com writes:
> In <1993Apr3.094509.11448@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>
> asphaug@lpl.arizona.edu (Erik Asphaug x2773) writes:
> % By the way, the short-lived Zephyr is essentially a GpZ 550,
> Why was the "Zephyr" discontinued?  I heard something about a problem with
> the name, but I never did hear anything certain...
I don't think the 550 sold very well - most North Americans who ride a standard
rather than a sport bike usually want something bigger. People walk into the
dealership, look at the 550 and the 750 and say, "I might as well spring the
extra bucks for the bigger engine."
--
Bruce Clarke       B.C. Environment
e-mail: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca
From: ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant)
Subject: Re: Ed must be a Daemon Child!!
Article-I.D.: usenet.1pqhvu$go8
Reply-To: ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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In a previous article, svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) says:
>In article <1993Apr2.163021.17074@linus.mitre.org> cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes:
>|
>|Wait a minute here, Ed is Noemi AND Satan?  Wow, and he seemed like such
>|a nice boy at RCR I too.
>
>And Noemi makes me think of "cuddle", not "KotL".
>
You talking bout the same Noemi I know? She makes me think of big bore
hand guns and extreme weirdness. This babe rode a CSR300 across the desert! And
a borrowed XL100 on the Death Ride. Don't fuck with her man, your making a big
mistake.
--
Go fast. Take chances.
Mike S.
From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Subject: Re: Identify this bike for me
Article-I.D.: adobe.1993Apr6.002937.9237
Distribution: usa
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View
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In article <1993Apr5.193804.18482@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> coburnn@spot.Colorado.EDU (Nicholas S. Coburn) writes:
}first I thought it was an 'RC31' (a Hawk modified by Two Brothers Racing),
}but I did not think that they made this huge tank for it.  Additionally,
As someone who was told quite firmly by 2 Honda sales/service weenies
that there is no larger tank available for the Hawk (I have a '91
Hawk with the puny 3.2 gal tank), I'd be very interested to know if
there is any decent aftermarket solution. I'd love to have at least
a 4 gal tank.
--
Curtis Jackson	   cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com	'91 Hawk GT	'81 Maxim 650
DoD#0721 KotB  '91 Black Lab mix "Studley Doright"  '92 Collie/Golden "George"
"There is no justification for taking away individuals' freedom
in the guise of public safety." -- Thomas Jefferson
From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Re: Cultural Enquiries
Organization: University College of Wales, Aberystwyth
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Nntp-Posting-Host: 144.124.112.30
In article <Stafford-310393095530@stafford.winona.msus.edu> Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford) writes:
>In article <1993Mar17.115603.28712@aber.ac.uk>, azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy
>Woodward) wrote:
>>
>> Two questions that fascinate me:-
>     You are easily fascinated.
>
>> 1) Why are rednecks called rednecks?
>     Why are you called a Welch?
>     OK, it's because they are often south or southeastern farmers
>     who's necks are permanently damaged from sunburn.  The sun;
>     you know what that is, it never sets on the British Empire
>     and never shines in Wales.
>
This is a despicable LIE! It was sunny on 3rd July 1958 from 11.23am
to 11 37am. I made a note of it. Diaries are never wrong.
>> 2) Why do they ride Harleys?
>     They don't.  They drive in pick-up trucks and shoot bikers.
>
>> Please enlighten me. When I visited last, the only answers I got
>> were incoherent splutterings.
>     You deserve more?
>
>====================================================
>John Stafford   Minnesota State University @ Winona
>                    All standard disclaimers apply.
Do you, by any chance ride a Harley? (just a feeling...) How is your
neck? Calamine lotion is good, I'm told.
I am getting bored with winding up Americans. Its like bombing fish
in a barrel.
Haaaaaaaaaaave a Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiice Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay
Andy
From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: re: Countersteering_FAQ please post
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In article <C4zKCL.FGC@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> Eric@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (93CBR900RR) writes:
>Would someone please post the countersteering FAQ...i am having this awful
>time debating with someone on why i push the right handle of my motorcycle
>foward when i am turning left...and i can't explain (well at least) why this
>happens...please help...post the faq...i need to convert him.
>
>				eric
Hmm, If I did this, would I be able to take the outriggers off?
From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Re: Dr. Demento
Organization: University College of Wales, Aberystwyth
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In article <1993Mar31.194202.7809@cs.brown.edu> jdk@cs.brown.edu (Jennet Kirschenbaum) writes:
>
>I haven't heard Dr. Demento in years.  Does anyone know if it
>plays on any stations around Prov, RI (such as WBCN)?
>
>I'd love to pay for shipping and recording of the show too.
The best Boring-Old-Farts prefer The Breeze, 97.9FM, Salt
Lake City. Wonderfully catatonic. I wanted to take the whole station
back with me in my flight bag. (Especially the girlie with the sexy
voice who did the Morning Show.)
From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Re: pink tools [was: Re: What is it with girlfriends and motorcycles?]
Organization: University College of Wales, Aberystwyth
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I ONLY Just prevented myself from diving  in on this one.....
From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Re: Cultural Enquiries
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In article <1pcl6i$e4i@bigboote.WPI.EDU> ravi@vanilla.WPI.EDU (Ravi Narayan) writes:
>In a previous article, groh@nu.cs.fsu.edu said:
>= azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) writes:
>=
>= >2) Why do they ride Harleys?
>=
>= 'cause we can.
>=
>
>    you sure are lucky! i am told that there are very few people out
>    there who can actually get their harley to ride ;-) (the name tod
>    johnson jumps to the indiscreet mind... laz whats it you used to
>    ride???).
>
>
>--
>----------_________----------_________----------_________----------_________
>sig (n): a piece of mail with a fool at one  | Ravi Narayan, CS, WPI
>          end and flames at the other. (C).   | 89 SuzukiGS500E - Phaedra ;)
>__________---------__________---------__________---------__________---------
Hi, Ravi
If you need a Harley, we have lots to spare here. All the yuppies
bought 'the best' a couple  of years ago to pose at the (s)wine
bar. They 'rode a mile and walked the rest'. Called a taxi home and
went back to the porsche. So there's are loads going cheap with about
1 1/2 miles on the clock (takes a while to coast to a halt).
Cheers
Andy
P.S. You get a better class of people on GS500's anyway
From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Re: Drinking and Riding
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In article <1993Apr3.200529.2206@galaxy.gov.bc.ca> bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca writes:
>In article <C4wKBp.B9w@eskimo.com>, maven@eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:
>{drinking & riding}
>>  What is a general rule of thumb for sobriety and cycling? Couple hours after
>> you "feel" sober? What? Or should I just work with "If I drink tonight, I
>> don't ride until tomorrow"?
Even a half a beer will increase your confidence while slugging your reactions
and judgement - not much maybe, but its hard enough to stay alive out there
for any length of time without stacking the odds. I'll not ride after ANY.
From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Re:  Living
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In article <05APR93.02451203.0049@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA> C70A@UNB.CA (C70A000) writes:
>In article <1993Apr2.213402.10821@eos.arc.nasa.gov> phil@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Phil Stone) writes:
>>Thanks for the compliments, Allan, but I think you sidestepped
>>my point there.  I didn't say I didn't take *any* chances.  Sheesh,
>>getting out of bed in the morning is risky; I sprained my ankle
Damn right. I was late for a climbing meet one morning, so I got
out of bed without bothering that my right foot was still asleep.
It reminded me by folding underneath with a crunching of Metatarsals.
Lucky the brake's on the right, but i got funny looks riding thru
London with one leg held aloft.
(Climbing wasnt a problem - the best splint in the world is a tight
climbing shoe.)
From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Re: Protective gear
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In article <1993Apr3.200829.2207@galaxy.gov.bc.ca> bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca writes:
>In article <C4wKFs.BC1@eskimo.com>, maven@eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:
>> What protective gear is the most important? I've got a good helmet (shoei
>> rf200) and a good, thick jacket (leather gold) and a pair of really cheap
>> leather gloves... What should my next purchase be? Better gloves, boots,
>> leather pants, what?
IF you can remember to tuck properly, the bits that are going to take most
punishment with the gear you have will probably be your feet, then hips and
knees. Get boots then  trousers. The gloves come last, as long as you've the
self control to pull your arms in when you tuck. If not, get good gloves
first - Hands are VERY easily wrecked if you put one down to steady your
fall at 70mph!! The other bits heal easier.
Once you are fully covered, you no longer tuck, just lie back and enjoy the
ride.
Best of all, take a mean of all the contradictory answers you get.
From: laszlo@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu (Laszlo Nemeth)
Subject: New DoD listing. Membership is at 1148
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There is a new DoD listing. To get a copy use one of these commands:
finger motohead@cs.colorado.edu
OR
mail motohead@cs.colorado.edu
If you send mail make sure your "From" line is correct (ie "man vacation").
I will not try at all to fix mail problems (unless they are mine ;-). And I
may just publicly tell the world what a bad mailer you have. I do scan the
mail to find bounces but I will not waste my time answering your questions
or requests.
For those of you that want to update your entry or get a # contact the KotL.
Only the KotL can make changes. SO STOP BOTHERING ME WITH INANE MAIL
I will not tell what "DoD" is! Ask rec.motorcycles. I do not give out the #'s.
Laszlo Nemeth
laszlo@cs.colorado.edu
"hey - my tool works (yeah, you can quote me on that)." From elef@Sun.COM
"Flashbacks = free drugs."
DoD #0666          UID #1999
From: egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Subject: Re: Round Two
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
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In article 29788@serval.net.wsu.edu, bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns;S23015) writes:
>
>If Good Sam got 300 bricks, delivered
>first class postage to their door, at their expense, I bet they would change
>their policies about mailing lists or about who can use their facilities
>quickly.
And if the Lord God Almighty parted the sky and make a personal
appearance at their Board of Directors meeting, they would also change
their policies.  The odds are about equal.
>I am curious as to how many bricks I will have to send before this situatiion
>is cleared up to my satisfaction.  I suspect about 5.  We shall see.
You'll be extremely lucky if you ever get one through.
---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
(The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
From: howland@noc2.arc.nasa.gov (Curt Howland)
Subject: Re: Another question about synthetic engi
Article-I.D.: news.1993Apr6.020533.6165
Distribution: usa
Organization: NASA Science Internet Project Office
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In article <1993Apr5.133542.19077@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>,
fist@iscp.bellcore.com (Richard Pierson) writes:
|> Two years ago he went to work for CONRAIL as a mechanic.
|> On the EMD and GE power units (train engines) they NEVER
|> EVER change the oil, just the filters
I remember seeing an artical on large-engine oil
requirements, and one of the ways of prolonging
the life of the oil was to run through a heated
un-presurized chamber to allow water and volitiles
to boil off. This made such long-term usage of
oil practical.
Isn't the Discovery channel great!?!
---
Curt Howland "Ace"       DoD#0663       EFF#569
howland@nsipo.nasa.gov            '82 V45 Sabre
Meddle not in the afairs of Wizards,
for it makes them soggy and hard to re-light.
From: coburnn@spot.Colorado.EDU (Nicholas S. Coburn)
Subject: Identify this bike for me
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OK,
I saw a bike today and I want to know what it is.  Lets begin
by saying that its whole rear end was definately Hawk 650.  Additionally,
it had a CBR900RR style tank, full fairing, and only a tach.  Now, at
first I thought it was an 'RC31' (a Hawk modified by Two Brothers Racing),
but I did not think that they made this huge tank for it.  Additionally,
the gauges were certainly not from a Hawk.  They looked much more like
900RR gauges.  Overall, the bike looked like a 900RR except for the
rear single-sided swingarm and wheel (there were straight from the Hawk)
So, what did I see?
(PS, for any of you Boulder DoDers, I saw it parked at the Engineering
center today. It is white with light green stripes.)
________________________________________________________________________
Nick Coburn                     DoD#6425                      AMA#679817
'88CBR1000              '89CBR600
coburnn@spot.colorado.edu
________________________________________________________________________
From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda)
Subject: Re: Ed must be a Daemon Child!!
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Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
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In article <1993Apr2.163021.17074@linus.mitre.org> cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes:
|
|Wait a minute here, Ed is Noemi AND Satan?  Wow, and he seemed like such
|a nice boy at RCR I too.
And Noemi makes me think of "cuddle", not "KotL".
Dave Svoboda (svoboda@void.rtsg.mot.com)    | "We're bad-t-the-bone!
90 Concours 1000 (Mmmmmmmmmm!)              |  Bad-t-the-bone!"
84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Woops!)              |  -- Universally feared
AMA 583905  DoD #0330  COG 939  (Chicago)   |     Denizen warcry.
From: downey@homer.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Allen B. Downey)
Subject: Re: Speeding ticket from CHP
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: homer.cs.berkeley.edu
Paraphrase of initial post:
Can I fight a speeding ticket in court?
My reply:
Fight your ticket : California edition by David Brown 1st ed.
Berkeley, CA : Nolo Press, 1982
The second edition is out (but not in UCB's library).  Good luck; let
us know how it goes.
ABD
From: davec@Autodesk.COM (Dave Cooper)
Subject: *FOR SALE*: H-1 500...
Organization: Autodesk Inc., Sausalito CA, USA
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1975 H-1 500
Brand new top end
Chambers
Clean + black!
1,500$
Paul: (510) 839-2161
Please do not contact this email address: contact the seller.
Cheers
DAVE
From: howland@noc2.arc.nasa.gov (Curt Howland)
Subject: Re: What is it with Cats and Dogs ???!
Organization: NASA Science Internet Project Office
Lines: 29
In article <gate.3gPD2B1w165w@ryang1.pgh.pa.us>,
ryang@ryang1.pgh.pa.us (Robert H. Yang) writes:
|> Hi,
|>
|> 	Sorry, just feeling silly.
|>
|> Rob
No need to appologise, as a matter of fact
this reminds me to bring up something I
have found consistant with dogs-
Most of the time, they do NOT like having
me and my bike anywhere near them, and will
chase as if to bite and kill.
An instructor once said it was because the
sound from a bike was painfull to their
ears. As silly as this seams, no other options
have arrizen.
net.wisdom?
---
Curt Howland "Ace"       DoD#0663       EFF#569
howland@nsipo.nasa.gov            '82 V45 Sabre
Meddle not in the afairs of Wizards,
for it makes them soggy and hard to re-light.
From: howland@noc2.arc.nasa.gov (Curt Howland)
Subject: Re: Auction: Diana's bra
Organization: NASA Science Internet Project Office
Lines: 13
In article <1993Apr2.163531.12974@adobe.com>,
cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes:
|> Next thing you know I'll see bikes with Geeky stickers parked
|> outside the local white wine, quiche, and fern bar.
Hey! I LIKE quiche, even if I did have to look
at your note to spell it (assumed) correctly.
Really, you <*sniff*> tough guys are all the same...
(MOMMY! Curtis is making fun of ferns again!!!!)
From: howland@noc2.arc.nasa.gov (Curt Howland)
Subject: Re: Drinking and Riding
Organization: NASA Science Internet Project Office
Lines: 27
In article <C4wKBp.B9w@eskimo.com>, maven@eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:
|>  What is a general rule of thumb for sobriety and cycling? Couple hours after
|> you "feel" sober? What? Or should I just work with "If I drink tonight, I
|> don't ride until tomorrow"?
I'll put in a vote for the latter. A bike
takes a lot of involvement, and I for one
do not want any accident to be my fault.
I remember one artical where the reviewer
tried the radio on the bike, not having had
one on any of his. He stated that the bike
tended to go faster when the music was
good. I agree, having felt like this my self,
and this was not a physical imparement, like
drinking, just the emotional lift from music.
First rule of ecology: There is never only one side-effect.
Ride Well-
---
Curt Howland "Ace"       DoD#0663       EFF#569
howland@nsipo.nasa.gov            '82 V45 Sabre
Meddle not in the afairs of Wizards,
for it makes them soggy and hard to re-light.
From: howland@noc2.arc.nasa.gov (Curt Howland)
Subject: Re: A Miracle in California
Organization: NASA Science Internet Project Office
Lines: 23
|> <Waving at fellow bikers stuff deleted>
|>
|> When I first started riding street bikes I was told it was common to recieve/
|> give a wave to a fellow biker.
What astounded me on moving to the left coast from
the right coast, was to actually get waves from
HARLEY riders! No, Really! I remember the first time
as a truely memorable event.
It might have something to do with the...
No. I refuse to bring that up again.
Thanks EVO, for being a Harley rider that waves
first.
---
Curt Howland "Ace"       DoD#0663       EFF#569
howland@nsipo.nasa.gov            '82 V45 Sabre
Meddle not in the afairs of Wizards,
for it makes them soggy and hard to re-light.
From: howland@noc2.arc.nasa.gov (Curt Howland)
Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post
Organization: NASA Science Internet Project Office
Lines: 12
In article <C4zKCL.FGC@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>,
Eric@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (93CBR900RR) writes:
|> Would someone please post the countersteering FAQ...
|> 				eric
Like, there's a FAQ for this?
---
Curt Howland "Ace"       DoD#0663       EFF#569
howland@nsipo.nasa.gov            '82 V45 Sabre
Meddle not in the afairs of Wizards,
for it makes them soggy and hard to re-light.
Subject: Re: Ed must be a Daemon Child!!
From: REE700A@MAINE.MAINE.EDU
<1993Apr2.003029.1962@adobe.com><1993Apr2.163021.17074@linus.mitre.org>
Organization: University of Maine System
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Ed's heading out on the highway?
Did he finally buy a bike or is he a passanger?
Jeff Andle   DoD #3005  1976 KZ900     REE700A@MAINE.MAINE.EDU
IntermittentNet access arranged through Bowdoin College.  Please reply
via e-mail, since a followup might expire before I see the Net again.
Subject: Re: Kawi Zephyr? (was Re: Vision vs GpZ 550)
From: REE700A@MAINE.MAINE.EDU
Organization: University of Maine System
Lines: 17
I don't know about the dinky little Zephyr's, but the 1100 (now
the ZR1100) looks alot like my '76 Z1/ KZ900!  The one I drooled over
at Tri-Sports in Topsham, ME was a looker!
Yes, Mercury axed the Zephyr name.  Guess a lot of aging Republicans
wanted a Zephyr and confused the Mercury with the Kawasaki :).  Oh
well, they're better off with the Kawasaki anyways.  Maybe it'll shake the
stick out of their asses and  make Libertarians out of them!
As to the GPz <--> Zephyr, the only GPz I've seen had the ball-buster
gas tank profile, not the smooth saddle - to - gas tank transition.
_Motorcyclist_ claims the Zephyr / ZR is the modernized Z1 (KZ) from the
seventies.
Jeff Andle   DoD #3005  1976 KZ900     REE700A@MAINE.MAINE.EDU
IntermittentNet access arranged through Bowdoin College.  Please reply
via e-mail, since a followup might expire before I see the Net again.
From: gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Graeme Harrison)
Subject: Re: r.m split (was: Re: insect impacts)
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
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/ hpcc01:rec.motorcycles / cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) /  2:02 pm  Apr  2, 1993 /
All right people, this inane bug wibbling is just getting to much.  I
propose we split off a new group.
rec.motorcycles.nutrition
to deal with the what to do with squashed bugs thread.
--
| Dean Cookson / dcookson@mitre.org / 617 271-2714    | DoD #207  AMA #573534 |
| The MITRE Corp. Burlington Rd., Bedford, Ma. 01730  | KotNML  /  KotB       |
| "If I was worried about who saw me, I'd never get   | '92 VFR750F           |
| nekkid at all." -Ed Green, DoD #0111                | '88 Bianchi Limited   |
----------
What?!?!? Haven't you heard about cross-posting??!?!? Leave it intact and
simply ignore the basenotes and/or responses which have zero interest for
a being of your stature and discriminating taste. ;-)
Yesterday, while on Lonoak Rd, a wasp hit my faceshield with just
enough force to glue it between my eyes, but not enough to kill it as
the legs were frantically wiggling away and I found that rather, shall
we say, distracting. I flicked it off and wiped off the residue at the
next gas stop in Greenfield. :-) BTW, Lonoak Rd leads from #25 into
King City although we took Metz from KC into Greenfield.
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Subject: Re: Tools Tools Tools
From: behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc.
Lines: 29
In article <C51105.98C.1@cs.cmu.edu> jfriedl@cs.cmu.edu writes:
>behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:
>|> 	While we're on the subject, has anyone else noticed that the 1/2" deep
>|> well in Craftsman's $60 SAE deep well set is too small to fit a 1/2" bolt or
>|> nut?	When I took the socket in for an exchange, EVERY !#%@ one of the 1/2"
>|> deep well sockets on the rack had the exact same problem!!!
>
>Not to imply that you didn't, but since you didn't mention it.....
>did you measure the size of your test nut with callipers? Were all three
>"cross lengths" no more than 1/2"? I've seen bolt heads, and even a few
>nuts, which got slightly thicker further down toward the basa... sort of
>a trapizodial cross section.
That I did not do; however, the sample bolt I took to the store fit
rather well in the following:  1/2" open end wrench, 1/2" box end wrench, 1/2"
12-point normal socket.  I take that as meaning it's a 1/2" bolt head.
>But as several people have pointed out, and as I'm noting in the tool FAQ
>I'm writing up in case anyone will want it, a lifetime guarantee doesn't
>necessiarly mean better tools.
Yup.  At $6 a socket, I want the @#$@# thing to FIT!
Later,
--
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC	  1991 ZX-11 - pending delivery
agree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.
Subject: Re: Oops! Oh no!
From: ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck)
Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia
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JACK ROGERS WATERS (jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu) wrote:
: In article <1ppejb$3h0@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) writes:
: >
: >Well, at least I damaged my own bike.  If I had done it to someone else's
: >property I'd *really* feel like a jerk.  As it is I just feel stupid.
: >
: I don't mean to be a cynic but . . . . you may want to reconsider
: having the body work done right away.  The same type of thing
: may happen again.  Wait till you get used to the bike, etc.
Well, I waited a whole week to take the pastic bits off and take them
to the body shop.  Is that long enough :-)
--
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* Bill Ranck                                          ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu *
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From: jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu (JACK ROGERS WATERS)
Subject: Re: The quest for horndom
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Lines: 30
In article <1993Apr5.171807.22861@research.nj.nec.com> behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:
>In article <1993Apr4.010533.26294@ncsu.edu> jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu (JACK ROGERS WATERS) writes:
>>No laughing, please.  I have a few questions.  First of all, do I
>>need a relay?  Are there different kinds, and if so, what kind should
>>I get?  Both horns are 12 Volt.
>
>	I did some back-of-the-eyelids calculations last night, and I figure
>these puppies suck up about 10 amps to work at maximum efficiency (i.e., the
>cager might need a shovel to clean out his seat).  Assumptions:  125dBA at one
>meter.  Neglecting solid angle considerations and end effects and other
>acoustic niceties from the shape of the horn itself, this is a power output
>of 125 Watts.  125Watts/12Volts is approx. 10 Amps.
>
>	Yes, get a relay.
>
>	Yes, tell me how you did it (I want to do it on the ZX).
>
>Later,
I'll post a summary after I get enough information.  I'll include
tips like "how to know when the monkey is pulling your leg".  Shouldn't
monkey's have to be bonded and insured before they work on bikes?
Jack Waters II
DoD#1919
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~ I don't fear the thief in the night.  Its the one that comes in the  ~
~ afternoon, when I'm still asleep, that I worry about.                ~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Organization: Penn State University
From: <LRR105@psuvm.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: Tools Tools Tools
<1993Apr1.162709.16643@osf.org> <1993Apr2.235809.3241@kronos.arc.nasa.gov>
<1993Apr5.165548.21479@research.nj.nec.com>
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WHAT IS THE FLANK DRIVE EVERYONES TALKING ABOUT?
From: irwin@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Irwin Arnstein)
Subject: Re: Cultural Enquiries
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX
Lines: 24
In article <1phuse$5u1@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
>In article 28712@aber.ac.uk, azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) writes:
>>Two questions that fascinate me:-
>
>Check you local blue light special for a sale on lives...
>
>>1) Why are rednecks called rednecks?
>
>The origin of the slang is probably a reference to a sunburned neck,
>often obtained while performing honest work outdoors.  The neck is
>specified to distinguish these people, whose shirt-protected chest and
>back are pale, from the elitist wealthy, who, in their idiotic quest
>for darker skin pigmentation as a badge of leisure time, overdo it and
>get full-body sunburns.
>
More like those who use their backs instead of their minds to make
their living who are usually ignorant and intolerant of anything outside
of their group or level of understanding.
--
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"Tuba" (Irwin)      "I honk therefore I am"       CompuTrac-Richardson,Tx
irwin@cmptrc.lonestar.org    DoD #0826            (R75/6)
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From: egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Subject: Re: hats update... patches too!
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
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NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com
In article XHFg2B5w165w@fringe.rain.com, dean@fringe.rain.com (Dean Woodward) writes:
>I've got orders for about 30-35 hats.  The expensive part (not surprisingly)
>is going to be having the patches made, with a setup fee of $100-200 or so.
Dean, there's an old engineering saying concerning inventions and
wheels.  Contact #0099, he's done several runs of patches, and there is
some patch-making company out there with the artwork already set up and
paid for.
---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
(The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
From: car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers)
Subject: Re: Chain Lube (was: Re: RM consensus on chain cleaning.)
Summary: Application details
Article-I.D.: cbnewsj.1993Apr5.223054.27874
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In article <1993Apr3.044405.16947@elektro.cmhnet.org>, charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith) writes:
> In article <1993Mar24.011823.7887@linus.mitre.org> cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes:
> >Anyone try the spray on chain wax that was reviewed in one of the moto
> >rags last month?
>
>
> Yeah.    I sprayed it all over my rear drive shaft housing, and it didn't
> seem to make it any quieter at all <!!>
Didn't you read the instructions first??
You're supposed to spray it in your ears so you won't be
distracted by the chain-noise of the *other* bikes around you.
That's why it's called "Chain *Wax*".
Chuck Rogers
car377@torreys.att.com
car377@cbnewsj.att.com
Subject: Re: BMW Nostalgia Question from a Neophyte
From: vech@Ra.MsState.Edu (Craig A. Vechorik)
Organization: Mississippi State University
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To go one step further, you could write Roland Slabon, Pres. of the
Vintage BMW Motorcycle Owners Ltd at P.O. box 67, Exeter, New Hampshire
03833 and he'll send you copy of the bimonthly rag with info as to where
to send your $12 bucks if ya want to join. As far as the price of '60's
Beemers, it varies wildly, from a low of around $1000 for an unrestored
bike that still runs (like an R50 or R60) to $4500 or so for a restored
R69S.  Don't listen to that bull about the old bmw's not being "good
enough" to ride in todays world.. Hell, I'm riding my 1956 R26 Single
from Mississippi to the BMW MOA national rally in Oshkosh, Wisconsin
on the 22nd of July this year.
Sincerely,
Craig Vechorik
BMW MOA Ambassador #9462
BMW Vintage
Bulletin tech editor #1373
DOD #843
"REAL BMW's have ROUND tail lights and ROLLER cranks"
From: infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante)
Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post
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In article <05APR93.02678944.0049@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA> C70A@UNB.CA (C70A000) writes:
>In article <C4zKCL.FGC@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> Eric@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (93CBR900RR) writes:
>>Would someone please post the countersteering FAQ...i am having this awful
>>time debating with someone on why i push the right handle of my motorcycle
>>foward when i am turning left...and i can't explain (well at least) why this
>>happens...please help...post the faq...i need to convert him.
>
> Ummm, if you push on the right handle of your bike while at speed and
>your bike turns left, methinks your bike has a problem.  When I do it
Really!?
Methinks somethings wrong with _your_ bike.
Perhaps you meant _pull_?
Pushing the right side of my handlebars _will_ send me left.
It should.
REally.
>on MY bike, I turn right.  No wonder you need that FAQ.  If I had it
>I'd send it.
>
I'm sure others will take up the slack...
>
>
>
--
Andy Infante  | I sometimes wish that people would put a little more emphasis |
'71 BMW R60/5 | upon the observance of the law than they do upon it's         |
DoD #2426     | enforcement.  -Calvin Coolidge                                |
==============| My opinions, dammit, have nothing to do with anyone else!!!   |
From: robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson)
Subject: Re: Cultural Enquiries
Organization: Institute of Cognitive Studies, U.C. Berkeley
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In article <1993Apr5.094451.8144@aber.ac.uk> azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) writes:
>I am getting bored with winding up Americans. Its like bombing fish
>in a barrel.
Or little children at the market.
(Or is that the Irish?  Hard to keep all you not-really-English types
straight.)
--
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Michael Robinson                          UUCP:   ucbvax!cogsci!robinson
INTERNET: robinson@cogsci.berkeley.edu
From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda)
Subject: Re: Another question about synthetic engi
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In article <1993Apr2.043642.5682@spectrum.xerox.com> cooley@xerox.com writes:
|In article 17418@news.arc.nasa.gov, howland@noc2.arc.nasa.gov (Curt Howland) writes:
|>Castrol Syntec does not contain teflon, it gets its greater
|>lubrication by bonding to the metal surfaces of the engine,
|>thus making the metal ride on the polymer rather
|>than having metal-to-metal contact. I do not know if this
|>also reduces the acid contact with the metal, but it seems
|>likely.
|
|Just becase something forms a resin does not mean that
|it's not teflon based.  The PTFE in slick-50 is not teflon
|either, but it's still teflon based.
"Teflon" is a DuPont-owned tradename for PTFE.  Slick-50 does
indeed use DuPont Teflon, though some other brands of such
stuff may use imported PTFE of another brand.
"Teflon", being a trade-name, should always by capitalized.
(DuPont disclaims any benefits of PTFE in the oil supply of internal
combustion engines, BTW.)
Dave Svoboda (svoboda@void.rtsg.mot.com)    | "We're bad-t-the-bone!
90 Concours 1000 (Mmmmmmmmmm!)              |  Bad-t-the-bone!"
84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Woops!)              |  -- Universally feared
AMA 583905  DoD #0330  COG 939  (Chicago)   |     Denizen warcry.
From: mcguire@cs.utexas.edu (Tommy Marcus McGuire)
Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post
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In article <12739@news.duke.edu> infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante) writes:
>In article <05APR93.02678944.0049@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA> C70A@UNB.CA (C70A000) writes:
>>In article <C4zKCL.FGC@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> Eric@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (93CBR900RR) writes:
>>>Would someone please post the countersteering FAQ...i am having this awful
[...]
>>
>> Ummm, if you push on the right handle of your bike while at speed and
>>your bike turns left, methinks your bike has a problem.  When I do it
>
>Really!?
>
>Methinks somethings wrong with _your_ bike.
>
>Perhaps you meant _pull_?
>
>Pushing the right side of my handlebars _will_ send me left.
>
>It should.
>REally.
>
>>on MY bike, I turn right.  No wonder you need that FAQ.  If I had it
>>I'd send it.
>
>I'm sure others will take up the slack...
>
[...]
>--
>Andy Infante  | I sometimes wish that people would put a little more emphasis |
Oh, lord.  This is where I came in.
Obcountersteer:  For some reason, I've discovered that pulling on the
wrong side of the handlebars (rather than pushing on the other wrong
side, if you get my meaning) provides a feeling of greater control.  For
example, rather than pushing on the right side to lean right to turn
right (Hi, Lonny!), pulling on the left side at least until I get leaned
over to the right feels more secure and less counter-intuitive.  Maybe
I need psychological help.
Obcountersteer v2.0:Anyone else find it ironic that in the weekend-and-a-
night MSF class, they don't mention countersteering until after the
first day of riding?
-----
Tommy McGuire, who's going to hit his head on door frames the rest of
the evening, leaning into those tight turns....
mcguire@cs.utexas.edu
mcguire@austin.ibm.com
"...I will append an appropriate disclaimer to outgoing public information,
identifying it as personal and as independent of IBM...."
From: karish@gondwana.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish)
Subject: Re: Living
Organization: Mindcraft, Inc.
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In article <C4rz4J.4q9@odin.corp.sgi.com> amc@crash.wpd.sgi.com
(Allan McNaughton) writes:
>In article <1993Mar27.040606.4847@eos.arc.nasa.gov>, phil@eos.arc.nasa.gov
(Phil Stone) writes:
>|> Alan, nothing personal, but I object to the "we all" in that statement.
>|> (I was on many of those rides that Alan is describing.)  Pushing the
>|> envelope does not necessarily equal taking insane chances.
Moreover, if two riders are riding together at the same speed,
one might be riding well beyond his abilities and the other
may have a safety margin left.
>Oh come on Phil.  You're an excellent rider, but you still take plenty of
>chances.  Don't tell me that it's just your skill that keeps you from
>getting wacked.  There's a lot of luck thrown in there too.  You're a very
>good rider and a very lucky one too.  Hope your luck holds....
Allan, I know the circumstances of several of your falls.
On the ride when you fell while I was next behind you,
you made an error of judgement by riding too fast when
you knew the road was damp, and you reacted badly when
you were surprised by an oncoming car.  That crash was
due to factors that were subject to your control.
I won't deny that there's a combination of luck and skill
involved for each of us, but it seems that you're blaming
bad luck for more of your own pain than is warranted.
--
Chuck Karish          karish@mindcraft.com
(415) 323-9000 x117   karish@pangea.stanford.edu
From: karish@gondwana.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish)
Subject: Re: Recommended bike for a tall beginner.
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In article <47116@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> jtozer@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Tozer) writes:
>	I am looking for advice on what bikes I should check out.  I
>am 6'4" tall, and find my legs/hips uncomfortably bent on most of
>the bikes I have ridden (not many admittedly).  Are there any bikes
>out there built for a taller rider?
There's plenty of legroom on the Kawasaki KLR650.  A bit
short in the braking department for spirited street riding,
but enough for dirt and for less-agressive street stuff.
--
Chuck Karish          karish@mindcraft.com
(415) 323-9000 x117   karish@pangea.stanford.edu
From: RYLV80@waccvm.corp.mot.com (William Mohrman)
Subject: Re: Drinking and Riding
Organization: Motorola
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>
> What is a general rule of thumb for sobriety and cycling? Couple hours after
>you "feel" sober? What? Or should I just work with "If I drink tonight, I
>don't ride until tomorrow"?
This thread brings back memorys of an expensive day in traffic court
a few years ago.  While I was waiting my turn to state my case and
plea of why I was going 75 in a 55 in my cage, I had the opportunity
to listen to some of the "creative excuses" offered the judge by others.
After listening to a number of "Well, I was passing a very slow truck
that suddenly speed up" versions, I decided that the judge had heard
just about every story in the book and then some.  He was less than
impressed with any of them.
This young, rather burley looking guy, had his docket read by a
rather drill sargent looking Ohio State Highyway Patrol Trooper.
He was clocked riding a motorcycle at a speed of 110 mph in a 55 mph
zone.  It was also noted that the defendant (motorcycle rider) had
alcohol on his breath, but was not cited for this offence.
The judge looked over his half glasses purched on the end of his nose
and said in his sternest voice: "Well son, those are some pretty
fast speeds to be riding a motorcycle.  What do you have to say for
your self?"
"Well Sir", meekly the defenant replied, "I just was over to my
buddys and we had a couple of beers and I was on my way home."
He offered nothing more or less.  Just had a couple of beers and
was doing 110 mph on his way home.
The judge moved by the simplicity of the response, fined him the
maximum in this case (plus court costs of course) and ordered him
to attend remedial drivers training school.
Isn't America Great??
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Bill Mohrman                                         81-CB900C
Motorola , SPS
Columbus, OH
------------------- Disclaimers Apply ------------------------------
From: leavitt@cs.umd.edu (Mr. Bill)
Subject: Re: How Big Is Too Big (was Re: 1st bike)
Organization: The Cafe at the Edge of the Universe
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azw@aber.ac.uk(Andy Woodward) writes:
azw>Weight and size over rough roads is a definite no-no. If is starts to
azw>drift, you aint going to catch it.
leavitt@cs.umd.edu (Mr. Bill) says:
mrb>If you're riding hard enough for this to be of concern, then yes, a
mrb>lighter bike is more beneficial.
ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant) writes:
ms>If you're not riding hard enough for this to be a concern, are you
ms>having any fun?
Sure.  I've never been much of a racerboy, as anybody who's attended the
Minibike Spectacular can attest.  ;^)  I get a great deal of satisfaction
in riding fast, yet now so fast as to be overly concerned about not being
able to maintain a clean line.  And while I'm still known to slide the
occasional tire, I much prefer to stay just to the sticky side of that
line.  I've found that I don't heal as well as I used to in days of yore.
BTW, how's the knee?
mrb>anyway.  Am I more likely to catch a 400 than a 250?  Not necessarily.
mrb>Tires, road surface and rider ability are a much more important criteria.
ms>Actually, big horsepower is just as likely to get you out of trouble
ms>when it "Starts to Drift" as your puny body mass pushing on stuff. A well
ms>placed push from 80 or 90 horsepower can do a lot to straighten or change
ms>in a beneficial way the trajectory of the bike/rider system. That's a
Quite true.  Another plus for a 500+ bike, the original thread, I think.
Damn circular threads...  ;^)
ms>Go fast. Take chances.
ms>
ms>	Mike S.
Mr. Bill
--
+ Bill Leavitt, #224 +   '82 CBX "White Lightning", '82 GS850G "Suzibago"   +
+ leavitt@cs.umd.edu + '76 CJ360 "Little Honda", '68 Lone Star "Sick Leave" +
+  DoD AMA ICOA NIA  + '69 Impala convertible "The Incredible Hulk", others +
+ "Hmmm, I thought bore and stroke *was* the technique!" Michael Bain, #757 +
From: laszlo@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu (Laszlo Nemeth)
Subject: Re: Protective gear
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In article <C4wKFs.BC1@eskimo.com>, maven@eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:
|> Question for the day:
|>
|> What protective gear is the most important? I've got a good helmet (shoei
|> rf200) and a good, thick jacket (leather gold) and a pair of really cheap
|> leather gloves... What should my next purchase be? Better gloves, boots,
|> leather pants, what?
condom
during wone of the 500 times i had to go over my accident i
was asked if i was wearing "protection" my responces was
"yes i was wearing a condom"
laz
From: essbaum@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Alexander Essbaum)
Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post
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In article <12739@news.duke.edu>, infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante) writes:
|> In article <05APR93.02678944.0049@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA> C70A@UNB.CA (C70A000) writes:
|> >In article <C4zKCL.FGC@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> Eric@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (93CBR900RR) writes:
|> >>Would someone please post the countersteering FAQ...i am having this awful
|> >>time debating with someone on why i push the right handle of my motorcycle
|> >>foward when i am turning left...and i can't explain (well at least) why this
|> >>happens...please help...post the faq...i need to convert him.
|> >
|> > Ummm, if you push on the right handle of your bike while at speed and
|> >your bike turns left, methinks your bike has a problem.  When I do it
|>
|> Pushing the right side of my handlebars _will_ send me left.
|>
|> I'm sure others will take up the slack...
oh yes, i'm quite sure they will :)
axel
From: car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers)
Subject: Re: Why I won't be getting my Low Rider this year
Organization: AT&T
Summary: Ergonomics of gas tanks
Keywords: congratz
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In article <1993Mar30.214419.923@pb2esac.uucp>, prahren@pb2esac.uucp (Peter Ahrens) writes:
> In article <1993Mar29.225236.9061@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers) writes:
> >[...] I had planned to get an HD this year...but instead I
> >took delivery on a brand new male offspring(er) last Monday...
>
> Sounds like you should have been doing your planning LAST year, given
> Harley-Davidson's product delivery lag and the human gestation cycle.
Or perhaps any planning at all.  :-)  Hiya Pete, still got that CBX?
Nice to hear from you again!
> >And, yes, I finally did figure out why this happens, and I have
> >taken steps to ensure [a storkish repetition]...
>
> That would be low drag bars and way rad rearsets for the FJ, so that the
> ergonomic constraints would have contraceptive consequences?
Ouch. :-)   This brings to mind one of the recommendations in the
Hurt Study.   Because the rear of the gas tank is in close proximity
to highly prized and easily damaged anatomy, Hurt et al recommended
that manufacturers build the tank so as to reduce the, er, step function
provided when the rider's body slides off of the seat and onto the
gas tank in the unfortunate event that the bike stops suddenly and the
rider doesn't.  I think it's really inspiring how the manufacturers
have taken this advice to heart in their design of bikes like the
CBR900RR and the GTS1000A.
Chuck Rogers
car377@torreys.att.com
car377@cbnewsj.att.com
From: dmatejka@netcom.com (Daniel Matejka)
Subject: Re: Speeding ticket from CHP
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services
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In article <1pq4t7$k5i@agate.berkeley.edu> downey@homer.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Allen B. Downey) writes:
>       Fight your ticket : California edition by David Brown 1st ed.
>       Berkeley, CA : Nolo Press, 1982
>
>The second edition is out (but not in UCB's library).  Good luck; let
>us know how it goes.
>
Daniel Matejka writes:
The fourth edition is out, too.  But it's probably also not
very high on UCB's "gotta have that" list.
In article <65930405053856/0005111312NA1EM@mcimail.com> 0005111312@mcimail.com (Peter Nesbitt) writes:
>Riding to work last week via Hwy 12 from Suisun, to I-80, I was pulled over by
>a CHP black and white by the 76 Gas station by Jameson Canyon Road.  The
>officer stated "...it <looked> like you were going kinda fast coming down
>highway 12.  You <must have> been going at least 70 or 75."  I just said okay,
>and did not agree or disagree to anything he said.
Can you beat this ticket?  Personally, I think it's your Duty As a Citizen
to make it as much trouble as possible for them, so maybe they'll Give Up
and Leave Us Alone Someday Soon.
The cop was certainly within his legal rights to nail you by guessing
your speed.  Mr. Brown (the author of Fight Your Ticket) mentions an
Oakland judge who convicted a speeder "on the officer's testimony that
the driver's car sounded like it was being driven at an excessive speed."
You can pay off the State and your insurance company, or you can
take it to court and be creative.  Personally, I've never won that way
or seen anyone win, but the judge always listens politely.  And I haven't
seen _that_ many attempts.
You could try the argument that since bikes are shorter than the
cars whose speed the nice officer is accustomed to guessing, they therefore
appear to be further away, and so their speed appears to be greater than
it actually is.  I left out a step or two, but you get the idea.  If you
can make it convincing, theoretically you're supposed to win.
I've never tried proving the cop was mistaken.  I did get to see
some other poor biker try it.  He was mixing up various facts like
the maximum acceleration of a (cop) car, and the distance at which
the cop had been pacing him, and end up demonstrating that he couldn't
possibly have been going as fast as the cop had suggested.  He'd
brought diagrams and a calculator.  He was Prepared.  He lost.  Keep
in mind cops do this all the time, and their word is better than yours.
Maybe, though, they don't guess how fast bikes are going all the time.
Besides, this guy didn't speak English very well, and ended up absolutely
confounding the judge, the cop, and everyone else in the room who'd been
recently criminalized by some twit with a gun and a quota.
Ahem.  OK, I'm better now.  Maybe he'd have won had his presentation
been more polished.  Maybe not.  He did get applause.
From: carter@ecf.toronto.edu (CARTER EDWARD A)
Subject: Re: DoD Oficial (tm) Newbie Bike of Choice
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In article <1pplsc$38q@news.ysu.edu> ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) writes:
>I propose that the Official DoD Newbie Bike of Choice (tm) be the ZX-11 D.
=8^/  Nothing like giving newbies a land rocket to practice on.
>It offers
>enough power so that a novice rider can safely  accelerate out of harms way
>in situations where a more experienced rider would use complex avoidance
>manouvers.
Yup.  Accelerate right into the back of an 18-wheel truck.
Um.  How's the easiest way to get newbies of the road?  :)
Regards, Ted.
---
University of Toronto Computer Engineering
PowerUsersGroupChairman
'89 FZR600: I'm taking a ride with my best friend.                  DoD#:886699
From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Subject: Re: Cultural Enquiries
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View
Lines: 32
}>More like those who use their backs instead of their minds to make
}>their living who are usually ignorant and intolerant of anything outside
}>of their group or level of understanding.
There seems to be some confusion between rednecks and white trash.
The confusion is understandable, as there is substantial overlap
between the two sets. Let me see if I can clarify:
Rednecks: Primarily use their backs instead of their minds to make a
living. Usually somewhat ignorant (by somebody's standards,
anyway) because they have never held education above basic
reading/writing/math skills to be that important to their
eventual vocation. Note I did not say stupid, just ignorant.
(They might be stupid, but then so are some high percentage
of any group).
White trash: "White trash fit the stereotype referred to by the
word 'nigger' better than any black person I ever met, only
with the added 'bonus' that white trash are mean as hell."
-- my father. Genuinely lazy (not just out of work or under-
qualified), good-for-nothing, dishonest, white people who are
mean as snakes. The "squeal like a pig" boys in _Deliverance_
may or may not have been rednecks, but they were sure as hell
white trash.
White trash are assuredly intolerant of anything outside of their
group or level of understanding. Rednecks may or may not be.
--
Curtis Jackson	   cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com	'91 Hawk GT	'81 Maxim 650
DoD#0721 KotB  '91 Black Lab mix "Studley Doright"  '92 Collie/Golden "George"
"There is no justification for taking away individuals' freedom
in the guise of public safety." -- Thomas Jefferson
From: tony@morgan.demon.co.uk (Tony Kidson)
Subject: Re: Protective gear
Distribution: world
Organization: The Modem Palace
Reply-To: tony@morgan.demon.co.uk
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In article <1993Apr5.151323.7183@rd.hydro.on.ca> jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca writes:
>In article <C4wKFs.BC1@eskimo.com> maven@eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:
>>Question for the day:
>>
>>What protective gear is the most important? I've got a good helmet (shoei
>>rf200) and a good, thick jacket (leather gold) and a pair of really cheap
>>leather gloves... What should my next purchase be? Better gloves, boots,
>>leather pants, what?
>
>I would go for the gloves. There's not a whole lot that you can do in life if
>you have no skin on your hands.
Yup! Ruins your sex life!
Tony
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|Morgan Towers, |  The Cat has had to move now |E-Mail(in order)         |
|Morgan Road,   |  as I've had to take the top |tony@morgan.demon.co.uk  |
|Bromley,       |  off of the machine.         |tny@cix.compulink.co.uk  |
|England BR1 3QE|Honda ST1100 -=<*>=- DoD# 0801|100024.301@compuserve.com|
+---------------+------------------------------+-------------------------+
From: jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton)
Subject: Re: Twit Bicyclists (was RE: Oh JOY!)
Organization: AT&T
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In article <1993Apr2.045903.6066@spectrum.xerox.com> cooley@xerox.com writes:
>Yo, ASSHOLES.  I hope you are all just kidding
>because it's exactly that kind of attidue that gets
>many a MOTORcyclist killed:  "Look at the leather
>clad poseurs!  Watch how they swirve and
>swear as I pretend that they don't exist while
>I change lanes."
>
>If you really find it necesary to wreck others
>enjoyment of the road to boost your ego, then
>it is truely you who are the poseur.
>
>--aaron
Disgruntled Volvo drivers. What are they rebelling against?
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Sesquipedalian's 'R' Us. ZX-10. AMA#669373 DoD#564. There ain't no more.
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From: jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton)
Subject: Re: Question: Arai Quantum-S
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In article <C4zqEL.E9B@ms.uky.edu> amir@ms.uky.edu (Amir Sadr) writes:
>they way I want it to.  However, I have the following problem:  My chin hangs
>out from the bottom of the helmet.  I am curious to know whether I would still
>have this problem if I were to switch to the extra large size?  In particular,
>can anyone tell me "for certain", if the outer shell of the "Arai Quantum-S" in
>size X-large is any different (larger-rounder-etc.) than the same helmet in size
>large?  Or if the inner padding/foam on the X-large is such that one's head
>fits a little deeper in the helmet, and thus one's chin would not stick out?
>This is true for the very old Arthur-Fulmer helmets that I have.  Namely, my
>chin hangs out a little from the bottom of the Large helmet, and not at all
>from the X-large (but the X-large is not as snug as the large).  The dealer
>is willing to replace the helmet at no additional cost (i.e. shipping), but
>I want to make sure that 1) the X-large is in fact a little bigger or linered
>such that my chin will not hang out and 2) how much looser will my head fit in
>the X-large?  If anyone has recent experience with this helmet, please let me
>hear (E-mail) from you ASAP.  Thank you so much.  Amir-
I'm not sure about the helmet but for chin questions you might
want to write to a:
Jay Leno
c/o Tonight Show
Burbank Calif.
Good luck.
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From: speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer)
Subject: Re:  Living
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In article <1993Apr05.172836.36759@rchland.ibm.com> pooder@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Don Fearn) writes:
>In article <05APR93.02451203.0049@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA>, C70A000 <C70A@UNB.CA>
writes:>|>
>|> ... I sprained my right ankle once and kept riding, ...
>When I broke my right leg in two places ...
I had knee surgery while I was in the Navy back in 77.  The
doctors put me in a cast from ass-to-ankle.  My only method of transportaion
was a DOHC 450 Honda at the time.  I found that by sliding back on the seat
I could use my heel (did I mention it was my left leg?) to operate the shift.
I would hook the end of the lever with my heel and lift my entire leg for up-
shifts and just drop my leg on the lever for the down-shifts.  Forget
nutral, took WAY too much finesse for the leg!  The crutches were bungee-
corded to the right side of the bike with the "top" resting on the passenger
peg and the right turnsignal sticking through the "hole" in the crutches.
Every other day when I rode the 10 miles to Physical Therapy (tourture
sessions) the doc would give me hell about riding a bike much less riding in
my condition.  Didn't stop me tho! B-P
BTW.  This is the same bike I assembled in my second floor barracks room and
rode down the stairs when it was completed!
--------======= I am not paid to have an opinion! =======--------
Dr. Speed                                           Suzuki GS850G
DoD #8177
From: essbaum@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Alexander Essbaum)
Subject: Re: Speeding ticket from CHP
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In article <dmatejkaC51DMB.LH6@netcom.com>, dmatejka@netcom.com (Daniel Matejka) writes:
|> In article <1pq4t7$k5i@agate.berkeley.edu> downey@homer.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Allen B. Downey) writes:
|> >       Fight your ticket : California edition by David Brown 1st ed.
|> >       Berkeley, CA : Nolo Press, 1982
|> >
|> >The second edition is out (but not in UCB's library).  Good luck; let
|> >us know how it goes.
|> >
|>   Daniel Matejka writes:
|>   Can you beat this ticket?  Personally, I think it's your Duty As a Citizen
|> to make it as much trouble as possible for them, so maybe they'll Give Up
|> and Leave Us Alone Someday Soon.
|>   The cop was certainly within his legal rights to nail you by guessing
|> your speed.  Mr. Brown (the author of Fight Your Ticket) mentions an
|> Oakland judge who convicted a speeder "on the officer's testimony that
|> the driver's car sounded like it was being driven at an excessive speed."
*cough* *choke*  WHAT?!?  if a cop gave me a ticket for "sounding" like
i was speeding i'd probably show up in court without a lawyer simply
because "sounding" like speeding is ridiculous.  if i was found guilty
i'd appeal and then show up with a lawyer.
if a cop doesn't do one of:
VASCAR (from car or plane)
RADAR, LIDAR, other electronic speed measuring device
pace me
and i'm within 15mph or so of the limit i'd go to court.  i can accept a
cop "seeing" me going excessively fast (like 25+ over the limit) but
"he looked like he was going 70 or so in a 55 zone" is not "beyond a
reasonable doubt".  granted i may well lose the case but 70 in a 55 measured
by eye???  take it to court for sure.
axel
From: bgardner@bambam.es.com (Blaine Gardner)
Subject: Re: Protective gear
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In article <C4wKFs.BC1@eskimo.com> maven@eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:
>Question for the day:
>
>What protective gear is the most important? I've got a good helmet (shoei
>rf200) and a good, thick jacket (leather gold) and a pair of really cheap
>leather gloves... What should my next purchase be? Better gloves, boots,
>leather pants, what?
What's your favorite body part? :-)
--
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland
bgardner@dsd.es.com
From: bgardner@bambam.es.com (Blaine Gardner)
Subject: Re: Why I won't be getting my Low Rider this year
Keywords: congratz
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In article <1993Apr5.182851.23410@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers) writes:
>In article <1993Mar30.214419.923@pb2esac.uucp>, prahren@pb2esac.uucp (Peter Ahrens) writes:
>> That would be low drag bars and way rad rearsets for the FJ, so that the
>> ergonomic constraints would have contraceptive consequences?
>
>Ouch. :-)   This brings to mind one of the recommendations in the
>Hurt Study.   Because the rear of the gas tank is in close proximity
>to highly prized and easily damaged anatomy, Hurt et al recommended
>that manufacturers build the tank so as to reduce the, er, step function
>provided when the rider's body slides off of the seat and onto the
>gas tank in the unfortunate event that the bike stops suddenly and the
>rider doesn't.  I think it's really inspiring how the manufacturers
>have taken this advice to heart in their design of bikes like the
>CBR900RR and the GTS1000A.
I dunno, on my old GS1000E the tank-seat junction was nice and smooth.
But if you were to travel all the way forward, you'd collect the top
triple-clamp in a sensitive area. I'd hate to have to make the choice,
but I think I'd prefer the FJ's gas tank. :-)
--
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland
bgardner@dsd.es.com
From: max@queernet.org (Max J. Rochlin)
Subject: Re: Speeding ticket from CHP
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Interesting.  I'd fight the ticket.  First off, there's a 50/50 chance
the cop won't show up.  Secondly, if he does show up, you should point
out that he lied (purgered) on the ticket.  Why 70+?  I beleive that if
yo're charged with going more than 15mph that the posted speed it's a
more severe ticket.  You couldn't have p[ossibly been going 70+, right?!
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|                 Protect me from what I want...                   |
From: pnakada@oracle.com (Paul Nakada)
Subject: Eating and Riding was Re: Drinking and Riding
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X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.
What's the feeling about eating and riding?  I went out riding this
weekend, and got a little carried away with some pecan pie.  The whole
ride back I felt sluggish.  I was certainly much more alert on the
ride in.  I'm sure others have the same feeling, but the strangest
thing is that eating is usually the turnaround point of weekend rides.
From now on, a little snack will do.  I'd much rather have a get that
full/sluggish feeling closer to home.
-Paul
--
Paul Nakada | Oracle Corporation | pnakada@oracle.com
DoD #7773 | '91 R100C | '90 K75S
From: nelson@seahunt.imat.com (Michael Nelson)
Subject: Re: Protective gear
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In article <1993Apr5.151323.7183@rd.hydro.on.ca> jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:
>
>I'm still looking for good gloves, myself,
>as the ones I have now are too loose.
When you find some new ones, I suggest donating the ones
you have now to the Lautrec family in France... <grin>
Michael
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| Michael Nelson                                1993 CBR900RR |
| Internet: nelson@seahunt.imat.com                 Dod #0735 |
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From: gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Graeme Harrison)
Subject: Re: Goldwing performance
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
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/ hpcc01:rec.motorcycles / Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford) / 11:06 am  Apr  1, 1993 /
In article <1pf2hs$b4d@transfer.stratus.com>, cdodson@beast.cac.stratus.com
(R. Craig Dodson) wrote:
> From the summary in the back of Motorcyclist, they run the 1/4 in
> 13.07 at about 100 mph. Interestingly enough, this Winnebago of bikes
> is faster than any of the Harleys listed.
It depreciates much faster, too.
====================================================
John Stafford   Minnesota State University @ Winona
All standard disclaimers apply.
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The '84 GL1200A hit the traps at 13.34 according to Cycle magazine. Yeah,
they depreciate faster than Harleys for the first couple of years then
they bottom out. Got my '86 GL1200I w/ 2275 miles on the odometer for
just under $5K in May of 1990 and would ask for $4500 now with almost
16K miles onnit....that's about 50% of what a new GL1500I would cost.
Think the '86 GL1200I originally sold for $6500 brand new, not sure.
If that's the case then it depreciated 30.77% over 7 years or a mere
$2000. Big Fat Hairy Deal! Based on what I know, Harleys tend to
depreciate your monies far more than the initial depreciation of
the bike itself when it comes to parts and service. All this about
Harleys holding their value better doesn't always wash away the
knocks on them...such as being much slower. ;-)
According to Peter Egan in the just released Cycle World his FLHS is a
real dog when he pillions his 120lb wife. All that money for a dog that
doesn't defecate much. =:-]
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From: marty@misty.ca.boeing.com (marty capadona)
Subject: Data Logging?
Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplane BCS Support
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Greetings:
Can someone steer me towards sources of information on vehicle data
logging systems?  In  particular, I would like to build/buy (or a little
of both) a system that is small enough to fit on a motorcycle and will
take input from various sensors (pressure, LVDT's, acceleration, RPM,
O2 sensor...), digitize and record it for later analysis.
Please email me any info.  If I get anything interesting, I'll compile
it and get it on the net.  Thanks.
_______________________________________________________________________
marty capadona                              marty@carter.ca.boeing.com
seattle, wa
82 gpz750, 82 gs1100, 88 hawk gt, 90 gs500
ama, msf, wmrra, omrra...                   Forget what I said.
_______________________________________________________________________
From: manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes)
Subject: Re: Drinking and Riding
Organization: Manes and Associates, NYC
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Norman Hamer (maven@eskimo.com) wrote:
:  What is a general rule of thumb for sobriety and cycling? Couple hours after
: you "feel" sober? What? Or should I just work with "If I drink tonight, I
: don't ride until tomorrow"?
It depends on how badly you want to live.  The FAA says "eight hours, bottle
to throttle" for pilots but recommends twenty-four hours.  The FARs specify
a blood/alcohol level of 0.4 as legally drunk, I think, which is more than
twice as strict as DWI minimums.
BTW, alcohol metabolizes in your blood at a fixed rate -- one beer/hour will
keep your blood/alcohol level barely street-legal.  Coffee, hyperventilation
and other bar tricks won't speed it up nor will they fool Mr. Ranger.
--
Stephen Manes					   manes@magpie.linknet.com
Manes and Associates				   New York, NY, USA  =o&>o
From: todd@psgi.UUCP (Todd Doolittle)
Subject:  Fork Seals
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I'm about to undertake changing the fork seals on my '88 EX500.  My Clymer
manual says I need the following tools from Kawasaki:
57001-183  (T handle looking thing in illustration)
57001-1057 (Some type of adapter for the end of the T handle)
57001-1091 No illustration of this tool and the manual just refers to it
as "the kawasaki tool."
57001-1058 Oil seal and bearing remover.
How necessary are these tools?  Considering the dealers around here didn't
have the Clymer manual, fork seals, and a turn signal assembly in stock I
really doubt they have these tools in stock and I'd really like to get this
done this week.   Any help would be appreciated as always.
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Todd Doolittle                    |           a red-line.
Troy, MI                          | '88 EX500
DoD #0832                         |
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From: "Jae W. Chang" <jc7j+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: BMW R65 info wanted
Organization: Junior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Hi, someone is selling his bmw R65 ( I think it's an '84 ) w/ 15k
miles for $2200. He says it's in great condition and perfect shape.
It's got the 2 hard saddle bags, too.
Is this a good deal? Seems like an awesome deal. Is it - assuming that
everything he says is true ?
Thanks,
Jae
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jae@cmu.edu
From: todd@psgi.UUCP (Todd Doolittle)
Subject: Re:  Motorcycle Courier (Summer Job)
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In article <1poj23INN9k@west.West.Sun.COM> gaijin@ale.Japan.Sun.COM (John Little - Nihon Sun Repair Depot) writes:
>In article <8108.97.uupcb@compdyn.questor.org> \
>ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) writes:
>%
>% I think I've found the ultimate summer job: It's dangerous, involves
>% motorcycles, requires high speeds in traffic, and it pays well.
>%
>% So my question is as follows: Has anyone here done this sort of work?
>% What was your experience?
>%
[Stuff deleted]
>   Get a -good- "AtoZ" type indexed streetmap for all of the areas  you're
>   likely to work.   Always carry  plenty of black-plastic  bin liners  to
Check with the local fire department.  My buddy is a firefighter and they
have these small map books which are Amazing!  They are compact, easy to
use (no folding).  They even have a cross reference section in which you
match your current cross streets with the cross streets you want to go to
and it details the quickest route.  They gave me an extra they had laying
around.  But then again I know all those people I'm not really sure if they
are supposed to give/sell them. (The police may also have something
similar).
>--
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>  | John Little  - gaijin@Japan.Sun.COM  - Sun Microsystems. Atsugi, Japan |
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Todd Doolittle                    |           a red-line.
Troy, MI                          | '88 EX500
DoD #0832                         |
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From: sanjay@kin.lap.upenn.edu (Sanjay Sinha)
Subject: Help with backpack
Keywords: backpack, rucksack, knee protection
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As summer approaches, the usual preparations are being made...
Me was thinking of going for some overnite camping trips in the local
state forests. For that I was planning to get a backpack/rucksack.
The next question is how shall I carry the thing on the bike, given
the metal frame and all. I have a big backrest (approx 12" high) and
was hoping that I would be able to bungee cord the backpack to the backrest.
Any one have any experiences on such experimentation?
Taking the idea further, what would happen if the backpack was fully
loaded with a full load (40lbs). Is the load distribution going to
be very severly affected? How will the bike perform with such a load
clinging to the back rest. If I really secure it, with no shifting,
do I still increase my chances of surfing?
Collective r.m. wisdom requested.
p.s. I really can't afford leather pants. Boots and jeans are
all I can make do with. What you think of the knee protectors
which rollerbladers use - the one L.L.Bean and like sells. Is
that a Bad Idea (tm). Are there any equivalents?
--
'81 CB650 						DoD #1224
I would give my right arm to be ambidextrous!
From: gdoherty@us.oracle.com (Greg Doherty)
Subject: BMW '90 K75RT For Sale
Distribution: ca
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of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.
[this is posted for a friend, please reply to dschick@holonet.net]
1990 BMW K75RT FOR SALE
Asking 5900.00 or best offer.
This bike has a full faring and is great for touring or commuting. It has
about 30k miles and has been well cared for. The bike comes with one hard
saddle bag (the left one; the right side bag was stolen), a Harro tank bag
(the large one), and  an Ungo Box alarm. Interested? Then Please drop me a
line.
DAS
From: dean@fringe.rain.com (Dean Woodward)
Subject: Re: Drinking and Riding
Organization: Organization for Mass Confusion.
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MJMUISE@1302.watstar.uwaterloo.ca (Mike Muise) writes:
> In article <C4wKBp.B9w@eskimo.com>, maven@eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:
> >  What is a general rule of thumb for sobriety and cycling? Couple hours
> > after you "feel" sober? What? Or should I just work with "If I drink
> > tonight, I don't ride until tomorrow"?
>
> 1 hr/drink for the first 4 drinks.
> 1.5 hours/drink for the next 6 drinks.
> 2 hours/drink for the rest.
I took an alcohol server's class a few years ago.  (What the hey- my employer
paid for it...)
We were told that the 1 drink / hour rule was written with 80 proof booze
and a 195 pound person in mind.  Drinking Cuervo Gold, weighing in @ 140,
I obviously will get drunk faster than the theoretical person mentioned
above.  Worse, imagine Rum & coke made with Bacardi 151...
Mind you all, that's for getting too drunk to drive a car.  I may only
have been riding for a month or so, but I plan my evenings with a very
rigid exclusive or statement: Either don't drink, or don't ride.
Pretty simple.
>
> These are fairly cautious guidelines, and will work even if you happen to
> have a low tolerance or body mass.
> I think the cops and "Don't You Dare Drink & Drive" (tm) commercials will
> usually say 1hr/drink in general, but after about 5 drinks and 5 hrs, you
> could very well be over the legal limit.
> Watch yourself.
> -Mike
Sorry, mike, I have to believe that that policy works best as fertilizer,
even if all you plan to do is drive home nice and "safe" in your cage...
>   ________________________________________________
>  / Mike Muise / mjmuise@1302.watstar.uwaterloo.ca \ no quotes, no jokes,
>  \ Electrical Engineering, University of Waterloo / no disclaimer, no fear.
--
Dean Woodward         | "You want to step into my world?
dean@fringe.rain.com  |   It's a socio-psychotic state of Bliss..."
'82 Virago 920        |              -Guns'n'Roses, 'My World'
DoD # 0866
From: dean@fringe.rain.com (Dean Woodward)
Subject: Re: Drinking and Riding
Organization: Organization for Mass Confusion.
Lines: 36
cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes:
> In article <MJMUISE.38.733926270@1302.watstar.uwaterloo.ca> MJMUISE@1302.wats
> }I think the cops and "Don't You Dare Drink & Drive" (tm) commercials will
> }usually say 1hr/drink in general, but after about 5 drinks and 5 hrs, you
> }could very well be over the legal limit.
> }Watch yourself.
>
> Indeed, especially if you are "smart" and eat some food with your
> drink. The food coating the stomach lining (especially things like
> milk) can temporarily retard the absorption of alcohol. When the
> food is digested, the absorption will proceed, and you will
> actually be drunker (i.e., have a higher instantaneous BAC) than
> you would have been if you had drunk 1 drink/hr. on an empty stomach.
>
> Put another way, food can cause you to be less drunk than drinking on
> an empty stomach early on in those five hours, but more drunk than
> drinking on an empty stomach later in those five hours.
> --
> Curtis Jackson	   cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com	'91 Hawk GT	'81 Maxim 650
> DoD#0721 KotB  '91 Black Lab mix "Studley Doright"  '92 Collie/Golden "George
> "There is no justification for taking away individuals' freedom
>  in the guise of public safety." -- Thomas Jefferson
Again, from my alcohol server's class:
The absolute *most* that eating before drinking can do is slow the absorption
down by 15 minutes.  That gives me time to eat, slam one beer, and ride like
hell to try to make it home in the 10 minutes left after paying, donning
helmet & gloves, starting bike...
--
Dean Woodward         | "You want to step into my world?
dean@fringe.rain.com  |   It's a socio-psychotic state of Bliss..."
'82 Virago 920        |              -Guns'n'Roses, 'My World'
DoD # 0866
From: ci513@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tom Kelly)
Subject: MGNOC ADDRESS?
Article-I.D.: usenet.1prsuk$hvl
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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If anyone has the current Moto Guzzi National Owners Club
address please e-mail it to me. Thanks in advance!
T.K.
--
From: ramage@ece.scarolina.edu (Dan Ramage)
Subject: Re: Help with backpack
Keywords: backpack, rucksack, knee protection
Article-I.D.: weber.ramage.734101015
Organization: USC  Department of Computer Science
Lines: 33
sanjay@kin.lap.upenn.edu (Sanjay Sinha) writes:
>As summer approaches, the usual preparations are being made...
>Me was thinking of going for some overnite camping trips in the local
>state forests. For that I was planning to get a backpack/rucksack.
>The next question is how shall I carry the thing on the bike, given
>the metal frame and all. I have a big backrest (approx 12" high) and
>was hoping that I would be able to bungee cord the backpack to the backrest.
>Any one have any experiences on such experimentation?
>Taking the idea further, what would happen if the backpack was fully
>loaded with a full load (40lbs). Is the load distribution going to
>be very severly affected? How will the bike perform with such a load
>clinging to the back rest. If I really secure it, with no shifting,
>do I still increase my chances of surfing?
I ride my bike regularly to classes with my book bag.  I take
the shoulder straps on the bag, and hook them around the rear turn
signals.  I works fine.  You probably will want to attach it with
a bungee cord to keep it from shifting to one side or another.
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|'86 Vulcan 750			|DoD#0798			      |
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Subject: Re: New Hudson 1929 questions
From: emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca
Distribution: world
Organization: Robert Smits
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davide@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Dave Edmondson) writes:
> Dave Tharp CDS (davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com) wrote:
> : In article <kmR91B1w164w@ham.almanac.bc.ca> emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca writes:
> : >
> : >One of their main designers, Bert Le Vack, broke many records at
> : >Brooklands in the late '20's.
>
> :   In the early 20's Bert Le Vack set records on INDIANS, including
> : 107.5 MPH at Brooklands in November of 1921, on a 61 in^3 Powerplus
> : racing model.
>
> Must have been a busy lad, he was also a tuner and all round guru at JAP and
> worked with George Brough.
>
> Can someone post me details of "The illustrated Ecyclopedia of Motorcycles",
> sounds like a book I ought to have a copy of.
>
Sure, I can. The Illustrated Encyclopedia of Motorcycles, edited by Erwin
Tragatsch, was published by The Hamlyn Publishing Group Limited,
Astronaut House, Hounslow Road, Feltham, Middlesex, England.
It was first published in 1977, and mine was reprinted in 1978. Cost then
was Pounds 5.95 in the UK, though I paid 18.50 for it in Canadian
dollars. I have no idea whether it's still in print. Perhaps you could
let the net know.
Bob.
Robert Smits Ladysmith BC  | If Lucas built weapons, wars
emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca      | would never start, either.
From: ivan@erich.triumf.ca (Ivan D. Reid)
Subject: Re: This just in . . . .
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In article <1993Apr2.144102.7445@rd.hydro.on.ca>,
jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes...
>In article <1993Apr01.155407.11314@i88.isc.com>
>	jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes:
>>In article <1993Mar31.175023.18928@rchland.ibm.com>
>>	 pooder@msus1.msus.edu	 writes:
>>>>sampled recently were using unauthorized software, the Inspector General
>>>>said in a new report.
>>The Inspector General?
>>Make way, for His Excellency, The Inspector General!
>>(...Hail, hail to Brodney, to the sky...)
>Behold the Lord High Executioner...
>no, that's something else.
I've already discussed this in e-mail with Jonathan.  It's the film
"The Inspector General"  [:-)], with Danny Kaye, although I can't quote the
name of the leading lady (Because Maltin doesn't :-().  Jonathan thinks there
was an earlier Russian film; "Movies on TV" just says it was based on a Gogol
(Yes, Jonathan, I looked it up again -- only two o's) story.
Ivan Reid, Paul Scherrer Institute, CH.     			ivan@cvax.psi.ch
GSX600F, RG250WD.	SI=2.66     "You Porsche. Me pass!"	DoD #484
From: Brian.Vaughan@um.cc.umich.edu (Brian Vaughan)
Subject: FOR SALE 1988 Kawasaki EX-500 (Michigan)
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For sale 1988 Kawasaki EX-500 with 6682 miles.
Excellent condition. Kept in a garage.  Asking $2200.
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earned  my  contempt.   He  has been  given a  large brain by
mistake, since for him the  spinal cord would  fully suffice.
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From: tcora@pica.army.mil (Tom Coradeschi)
Subject: Re: "Beer" unto bicyclists
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In article <31MAR199308594057@erich.triumf.ca>, ivan@erich.triumf.ca (Ivan
D. Reid) wrote:
>
> In article <tcora-250393111517@b329-gator-1.pica.army.mil>,
> 	 tcora@pica.army.mil (Tom Coradeschi) writes...
> >mxcrew@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_DOMAIN_FILE (The MX-Crew) wrote:
> >> just an information (no flame war please): Budweiser is a beer from the
> >> old CSFR (nowadays ?Tschechien? [i just know the german word]).
>
> >Czechoslovakia. Budweiser Budwar (pronounced bud-var).
>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 	Not any more, a short while ago (Jan 1st?) it split into The Czech
> Republic and Slovakia.  Actually, I think for a couple of years its official
> name was "The Czech and Slovak Republics".  Sheesh!  Don't you guys get CNN??
CNN=YuppieTV
tom coradeschi <+> tcora@pica.army.mil
"Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea -- massive,
difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind-
boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it."
--gene spafford, 1992
From: bakalis@apollo.HP.COM (Steven Bakalis)
Subject: Re: Speeding ticket from CHP
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In article <1pqarb$fnq@gaia.ucs.orst.edu>, crucej@osshe.edu (Jerry Cruce) writes:
|> Peter Nesbitt (0005111312@mcimail.com) wrote:
|> : Riding to work last week via Hwy 12 from Suisun, to I-80, I was pulled over by
|> : a CHP black and white by the 76 Gas station by Jameson Canyon Road.  The
|> : officer stated "...it <looked> like you were going kinda fast coming down
|> : highway 12.  You <must have> been going at least 70 or 75."  I just said okay,
|> : and did not agree or disagree to anything he said.
|>
1) The next time you get stoped by a cop, never never never admit to anything.
2) Don't volunteer any information.
3) When a retoracle question is ask by the cop, like "...it <looked> like you were going kinda fast coming down highway 12.  You <must have> been going at least 70 or 75?" -- the correct reponse is to deny it. This technique is employed by police to help establish guilt, especially when (9 times out of 10) he/she is not sure who was doing the speeding. If the cop is unsure this may be the difference of him letting you off the hook or getting the tissue.
Hope this helps for next time.
Steven Bakalis
From: frahm@ucsu.colorado.edu (Joel A. Frahm)
Subject: Re: Identify this bike for me
Article-I.D.: colorado.1993Apr6.153132.27965
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In article <1993Apr6.002937.9237@adobe.com> cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes:
>In article <1993Apr5.193804.18482@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> coburnn@spot.Colorado.EDU (Nicholas S. Coburn) writes:
>}first I thought it was an 'RC31' (a Hawk modified by Two Brothers Racing),
>}but I did not think that they made this huge tank for it.  Additionally,
>
I think I've seen this bike.  Is it all white, with a sea-green stripe
and just 'HONDA' for decals, I've seen such a bike numerous times over
by Sewall hall at CU, and I thought it was a race-prepped CBR.
I didn't see it over at the EC parking lot (I buzzed over there on my
way home, all of 1/2 block off my route!)  but it was gone.
Is a single sided swingarm available for the CBR?  I would imagine so,
kinda neccisary for quick tire changes.  When I first saw it, I assumed it
was a bike repainted to cover crash damage.
Joel.
From: ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck)
Subject: Re: Help with backpack
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Sanjay Sinha (sanjay@kin.lap.upenn.edu) wrote:
: The next question is how shall I carry the thing on the bike, given
: the metal frame and all. I have a big backrest (approx 12" high) and
: was hoping that I would be able to bungee cord the backpack to the backrest.
: Any one have any experiences on such experimentation?
Put the pack on the pillion and bungee it to the backrest.
If that is not possible then you should be able to bungee it behind the
backrest, just make sure it doesn't bend or break anything like the rear
fender or turnsignals.
--
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* Bill Ranck                                          ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu *
* "Cars making a sudden U-turn are the most dangerous.  They may cut you off  *
*  entirely, blocking the whole roadway and leaving you no place to go."      *
*  pg. 21, MSF Motorcycle Operator Manual, sixth rev. 1991                    *
*******************************************************************************
From: sprattli@azores.crd.ge.com (Rod Sprattling)
Subject: Re: Kawi Zephyr? (was Re: Vision vs GpZ 550)
Article-I.D.: crdnns.C52M30.5yI
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In article <1993Apr4.135829.28141@pro-haven.cts.com>,
shadow@pro-haven.cts.com writes:
|>In <1993Apr3.094509.11448@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>
|>asphaug@lpl.arizona.edu (Erik Asphaug x2773) writes:
|>
|>% By the way, the short-lived Zephyr is essentially a GpZ 550,
|>
|>Why was the "Zephyr" discontinued?  I heard something about a problem with
|>the name, but I never did hear anything certain...
Ford had an anemic mid-sized car by that name back in the last decade.
I rented one once.  That car would ruin the name "Zephyr" for any other
use.
Rod
---
Roderick Sprattling		| No job too great, no time too small
sprattli@azores.crd.ge.com	| With feet to fire and back to wall.
From: nelson@seahunt.imat.com (Michael Nelson)
Subject: Re: Why I won't be getting my Low Rider this year
Keywords: congratz
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In article <1993Apr5.182851.23410@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers) writes:
>
>Ouch. :-)   This brings to mind one of the recommendations in the
>Hurt Study.   Because the rear of the gas tank is in close proximity
>to highly prized and easily damaged anatomy, Hurt et al recommended
>that manufacturers build the tank so as to reduce the, er, step function
>provided when the rider's body slides off of the seat and onto the
>gas tank in the unfortunate event that the bike stops suddenly and the
>rider doesn't.  I think it's really inspiring how the manufacturers
>have taken this advice to heart in their design of bikes like the
>CBR900RR and the GTS1000A.
When I'm riding my 900RR, my goodies are already up
against the tank, because the design of the Corbin seat
tends to move you forward.
Wouldn't the major danger to one's cajones be due to
accelerating into and then being stopped by the tank?  If
you're already there, there wouldn't be an impact
problem, would there?
- Michael -
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+-------------------------------------------------------------+
| Michael Nelson                                1993 CBR900RR |
| Internet: nelson@seahunt.imat.com                 Dod #0735 |
+-------------------------------------------------------------+
From: behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: Thoughts on a 1982 Yamaha Seca Turbo?
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In article <6APR93.15402582@skyfox> howp@skyfox writes:
>I was wondering if anybody knows anything about a Yamaha Seca Turbo.  I'm
>considering buying a used 1982 Seca Turbo for $1300 Canadian (~$1000 US)
>with 30,000 km on the odo.  This will be my first bike.  Any comments?
Don't just nab it, POUNCE on it.  These are fairly rare bikes, and
they are MORE than adequate for putting a big brown stripe in your shorts.
Does a 50mph power wheelie appeal to you?  I thought it would...
Only really bad things:  the stock clutch isn't up to the task.
Barnett can take care of this.  The back tire wears quickly (gee, wonder why?),
and the induction system is a bear to work on.
Later,
--
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC	  1991 ZX-11 - pending delivery
agree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.
From: lusky@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jonathan R. Lusky)
Subject: Re: Tools Tools Tools
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In article <1993Apr5.165548.21479@research.nj.nec.com> behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:
>	While we're on the subject, has anyone else noticed that the 1/2" deep
>well in Craftsman's $60 SAE deep well set is too small to fit a 1/2" bolt or
>nut?
>
>	When I took the socket in for an exchange, EVERY !#%@ one of the 1/2"
>deep well sockets on the rack had the exact same problem!!!  Looking into the
>socket, it appears that Craftsman's toolmaker attempted to imitate flank drive
>on this piece, but did not account for the extra clearance needed inside the
>socket.
Never had any problem with mine...
Are you *SURE* the nut/bolt you are trying is really a 1/2" hex?  13mm
is just slightly larger...  and a 1/2 wrench won't fit on a GM 13mm
nut (my 91 GMC pickup has several 13mm nuts on it...  really annoying, metric
threads too.  Seems that most of the body is metric, most of the engine is
SAE).
--
--=< Jonathan Lusky ----- lusky@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu >=--
\    89 Jeep Wrangler - 258/for sale!       /
\        79 Rx-7 - 12A/Holley 4bbl        /
\________67 Camaro RS - 350/4spd________/
From: arnie@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Arnie Skurow)
Subject: Re: Live Free, but Quietly, or Die
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In article <C52nnt.J3I@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Russell.P.Hughes@dartmouth.edu (R
ussell P. Hughes) writes:
>What a great day! Got back home last night from some fantastic skiing
>in Colorado, and put the battery back in the FXSTC. Cleaned the plugs,
>opened up the petcock, waited a minute, hit the starter, and bingo it
>started up like a charm! Spent a restless night anticipating the first
>ride du saison, and off I went this morning to get my state inspection
>done. Now my bike is stock (so far) except for HD slash-cut pipes, and
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Therein lies the rub.  The HD slash cut, or baloney cuts as some call
them, ARE NOT STOCK mufflers.  They're sold for "off-road use only,"
and are much louder than stock mufflers.
Arnie
From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Subject: Tracing license plates of BDI cagers?
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This morning a truck that had been within my sight (and I within
his) for about 3 miles suddenly forgot that I existed and pulled
over right on me -- my front wheel was about even with the back
edge of his front passenger door as I was accelerating past him.
It was trivial enough for me to tap the brakes and slide behind him
as he slewed over (with no signal, of course) on top of me, with
my little horn blaring (damn, I need Fiamms!), but the satisfaction
of being aware of my surroundings and thus surviving was not enough,
especially when I later pulled up alongside the bastard and he made
no apologetic wave or anything.
Is there some way that I can memorize the license plate of an
offending vehicle and get the name and address of the owner?
I'm not going to firebomb houses or anything, I'd just like to
write a consciousness-raising letter or two. I think that it would
be good for BDI cagers to know that We Know Where They Live.
Maybe they'd use 4 or 5 brain cells while driving instead of the
usual 3.
--
Curtis Jackson	   cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com	'91 Hawk GT	'81 Maxim 650
DoD#0721 KotB  '91 Black Lab mix "Studley Doright"  '92 Collie/Golden "George"
"There is no justification for taking away individuals' freedom
in the guise of public safety." -- Thomas Jefferson
From: terry@prcrs.prc.com (Terry Cunningham)
Subject: Re: CNN California MC helmet law article
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<jlp.733424226@wink>, jlp@blink.att.com (Jon Peticolas(x7058)) writes:
>
> Hey! it works. You could present the paragraph above to virtually any member
> of the non-motorcycling public and they'll buy right into it.
>
> Just about any argument you can produce in favor of banning helmetless
> riding can be used to argue in favor of banning motorcycles.
> It's just a matter of degree.
That's absurd! That statement must therefore say that any argument in favor
of seatbelts or airbags is an argument against automobiles.  Any argument
for lifeguards is an argument against swimming.  It says that any agrgument
in favor of safety precautions is an argument for banning the activity to
which the precautions apply.  Extrapolating to that degree is ridiculous,
there wouldn't be any normal human activity left to do; therefore it is
a non-seqitur.
Also, even though most people do not ride motorcycles, they do boat, sail,
jetski, climb, ski, fly parachute, hang-glide, glide, bungee-jump, bike,
skate, rollerblade, skateboard, play rugby (ouch), mow the lawn, rewire
the basement, operate heavy machinery,  and do a host of other 'dangerous'
things that would all be as valid as motorcycling as activities to ban.
Your little homily applies to all those things, and the general public
buying into banning motorcycles without realizing that their activity
would be next is unlikely.
--
| Terry Cunningham terry@rsi.prc.com | "Donuts!  Is there anything they     |
| DoD# 541   Diviner of Dreams       |  can't do? "           Homer         |
| HIFI# 2                            |                                      |
From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Subject: Re: Live Free, but Quietly, or Die
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In article <C52nnt.J3I@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Russell.P.Hughes@dartmouth.edu (Russell P. Hughes) writes:
}start her up and rev to about 3000 rpm....I FAIL cuz I register 120 DB,
}and the max allowed is 110! If I fail with these pipes, there are gonna
Next time make the numbers more believable -- this is poor flamebait.
120 DB is getting close to the sound of a jumbo jet engine at takeoff
revs from some small number of yards away. It is certainly right
around the pain threshold for humans. No way in hell the state permits
110 DB if they have any standard at all.
--
Curtis Jackson	   cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com	'91 Hawk GT	'81 Maxim 650
DoD#0721 KotB  '91 Black Lab mix "Studley Doright"  '92 Collie/Golden "George"
"There is no justification for taking away individuals' freedom
in the guise of public safety." -- Thomas Jefferson
From: elef@smarmy.Eng.Sun.COM (elaine 'beano' leffler)
Subject: Re: Kawi Zephyr? (was Re: Vision vs GpZ 550)
Keywords: Zephyr stock forks BAD.  Mushy.  Dive.
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In article 3126@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu, asphaug@lpl.arizona.edu (Erik Asphaug x2773) writes:
>By the way Bob, er Dave (sorry!), I had read a review that said the 550
>engine was pretty much identical to the GPz, but that the suspension
>and frame is more modern.
the fancy piggyback shocks on the 550 (and the 750, i think.  i don't
know about the zr1100) are very nice, 3-way adjustability.  the forks
are crappy, they dive like MAD.  i had progressive springs installed
and it made a huge difference.  cheap fix, MUCH improvement.
elef
From: davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS)
Subject: Re: How NOT to put a motor together
Article-I.D.: tekgen.2419
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In article <1993Apr6.183553.19539@tcsi.com> markk@tcs.com (Mark Kromer) writes:
>In article <65886@mimsy.umd.edu>, leavitt@cs (Mr. Bill) writes:
>
>[put pistons in bores first then lower onto bottom end deleted]
>
>>Has anybody actually carried out this procedure?  I can visualize fewer
>>problems with canting pistons in the cylinders with this method, but
>>more trouble with keeping the bores suspended (especially for the first
>>two pistons) and with working space to insert piston pins and clips
>>(especially for the last two pistons).
It is certainly possible, and quite easy in most cases, especially
on two-strokes.  It's very common to do this on bikes where the
cylinder-mounting through-studs don't prevent the cylinder from being
removed with the engine in the frame.
I did this when I assembled the top end on my Indian, which was
easier yet because it does not have through-studs.  Base flange studs,
and separate head bolts, dontchaknow.
You have to use a little foresight, rags, duct tape, etc. to keep
clips from falling in, clothespins, hoseclamps, etc. to support the
cylinder while you're inserting the pins.
(Are these called Gudgeon Pins in the UK? If so, what's a Gudgeon?)
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From: klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger)
Subject: Re: Why mod a ZX-11? (was ZX-11 #4 cylinder running HOT,)
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In <1993Apr1.212334.14870@exu.ericsson.se> lmcstst@noah.ericsson.se (Stamos Stamos) writes:
>In article <1993Apr1.173354.14424@research.nj.nec.com> behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:
>>
>Power? hmmmmmm, well I haven't got it on the dyno or jetted. (waiting for the snow
>to melt) Although I have a Factory jet kit + 4' advance,(jets are 145s, the stock
>is 140, my book says 130 Calif.-> 150 UK, strange?), I don't want to fit it unless
>there is a dyno handy.
I've heard that bikes tuned to perfection on the Dyno can be a little
too close to the edge for street use. Cold morning, bad gas, etc.
Apparently they back them of some even for track use.
You pays your money ...
__
Jorg Klinger            |       GSXR1100        | If you only new who
Arch. & Eng. Services   |"Lost Horizons"  CR500 | I think I am.
UManitoba, Man. Ca.     |"The Embalmer"   IT175 |           - anonymous
>--
>Stamos <lmcstst@lmc.ericsson.se>            ZZR11            Ellas
>Ericsson, Cellular Design
>Montreal, Canada.
From: joe@rider.cactus.org (Joe Senner)
Subject: Re: For JOHS@dhhalden.no (1)
Reply-To: joe@rider.cactus.org
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davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS) writes:
]In article <1076@rider.UUCP> joe@rider.cactus.org writes:
]>cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes:
][bozo posts GIFS to rec.moto]
]>he and his postmaster are also gonna get 500 copies of the post in their
]>mailboxes.
]
]   Hey, it's a great picture.  You can't fault his taste, only his
]technique.  Chill out and educate instead of getting your panties in a
]bunch.
ditto to you Dave. I'm using the picture as the bacground on my sun, and
I haven't sent a single message to the guy. looks like you get to keep the
panties.
--
Joe Senner -- joe@Rider.Cactus.Org                                 Austin, TX
WARNING: DO NOT LOOK INTO LASER WITH REMAINING EYE.
-- Posted in a radioactive isotope research lab (from r.h.f)
Subject: Re: Drinking and Riding
From: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca
Organization: BC Systems Corporation
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In article <C514ut.A5I@magpie.linknet.com>, manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes) writes:
{drinking & riding}
> It depends on how badly you want to live.  The FAA says "eight hours, bottle
> to throttle" for pilots but recommends twenty-four hours.  The FARs specify
> a blood/alcohol level of 0.4 as legally drunk, I think, which is more than
> twice as strict as DWI minimums.
0.20 is DWI in New York?  Here the limit is 0.08 !
--
Bruce Clarke       B.C. Environment
e-mail: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca
Subject: Re: Protective gear
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Organization: BC Systems Corporation
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In article <734055654snz@morgan.demon.co.uk>, tony@morgan.demon.co.uk (Tony Kidson) writes:
> In article <1993Apr5.151323.7183@rd.hydro.on.ca> jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca writes:
>>In article <C4wKFs.BC1@eskimo.com> maven@eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:
>>>What protective gear is the most important?
>>
>>I would go for the gloves. There's not a whole lot that you can do in life if
>>you have no skin on your hands.
>
> Yup! Ruins your sex life!
YOUR sex life, maybe....
--
Bruce Clarke       B.C. Environment
e-mail: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca
Subject: Live Free, but Quietly, or Die
From: Russell.P.Hughes@dartmouth.edu (Russell P. Hughes)
Organization: HOG HEAVEN
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What a great day! Got back home last night from some fantastic skiing
in Colorado, and put the battery back in the FXSTC. Cleaned the plugs,
opened up the petcock, waited a minute, hit the starter, and bingo it
started up like a charm! Spent a restless night anticipating the first
ride du saison, and off I went this morning to get my state inspection
done. Now my bike is stock (so far) except for HD slash-cut pipes, and
all went well with my New Hampshire State Inspection (meaning all my
lights worked OK) until the dude produces a decibel meter and tells me
about the new NH law about MC noise.....huh?  sez I....and he has me
start her up and rev to about 3000 rpm....I FAIL cuz I register 120 DB,
and the max allowed is 110! If I fail with these pipes, there are gonna
be a whole lotta seriously pissed off bikers round here when they go
for inspection.
*&%^*$%*^*%*&
But hey, its a new experience! I have never really felt like a menace
to society before! I parked, dismounted and walked in to my building
with a slight swagger to my step, and a narrow lidded look... I sensed
my faculty colleagues unease with my new intimidating status...and
women's glances seemed to linger just a little longer....or perhaps
that was my imagination.......*sigh*
Now I need to install my new BUB pipes and single fire ignition....I
wonder how I will do after that!?
Russ Hughes  '92 FXSTC  DoD# 6022(10E20)
"Love ...yeah, that's the feeling you get when you like something
as much as your motorcycle."
--Sonny Barger (as told to me by Ed Campbell,
who has an old friend who was there at the time)
From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr)
Subject: Re: insect impacts
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In article <2385@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> labrg@emory.edu (Ryan Montieth Gill) writes:
>
>	For those who have had problems with small birds what about the
>	large raptor types when they are swooping across the road after
>	smallish prey?? I had a hawk, Falcon what ever come within 5
>	feet of me, lucky for him (or me for that matter) he noticed me
>	and my, and pulled up on his/her trajectory at the last moment.
>	Scared the shit outa me...nothing like a red tailed hawk in the
>	face, Talons and all....I wonder if riding a Nighthawk has
>	anything to do with it....hmmmm?
>
>			Ryan
>			0780
I got a male Mallard duck in the chest once.
It was like being kicked by my karate instructor.
No accident, but my eyes were tearing so hard, and I was wheezing
so loudly, that it's quite remarkable that I was able to come
to a stop with the rubber side up.
The duck, BTW, lived, and seemed quite healthy, though we both
sat by the roadside and shook our heads for a few minutes.
The bruise went from my right collar bone all the way down to
my belly button.
Regards, Charles
DoD0.001
RZ350
--
Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of
separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time,
struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing
gourd. --Unknown net.person
From: wbg@festival.ed.ac.uk (W Geake)
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According to BBC Radio this morning, UK, Denmark, Portugal & a few
others have vetoed a proposal to limit EC-sold bikes to 100 BHP.  The
reason is that such a limit is not supported by accident statistics - a
rare example of governmental wisdom.  The limit has a five year
moratorium on it, and "specialist" manufacturers will be exempt anyway.
Any suspicion that this is a crafty trick to restrict that end of the
market in Europe to Triumph, Norton (who? :-)), BMW, Cagiva & Ducati is
the sort of dangerous rubbish which stalls GATT talks.
You heard it here first.
Bill @ Univ Edinburgh, replete with 12 hp and a healthy blue exhaust.
From: ewm@cbnews.cb.att.com (edward.w.mcfarland)
Subject: Re: Speeding ticket from CHP
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In article <dmatejkaC51DMB.LH6@netcom.com> dmatejka@netcom.com (Daniel Matejka) writes:
>In article <1pq4t7$k5i@agate.berkeley.edu> downey@homer.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Allen B. Downey) writes:
>>       Fight your ticket : California edition by David Brown 1st ed.
>>       Berkeley, CA : Nolo Press, 1982
>>
>>The second edition is out (but not in UCB's library).  Good luck; let
>>us know how it goes.
>>
>  Daniel Matejka writes:
>  The fourth edition is out, too.  But it's probably also not
>very high on UCB's "gotta have that" list.
>
>In article <65930405053856/0005111312NA1EM@mcimail.com> 0005111312@mcimail.com (Peter Nesbitt) writes:
>>Riding to work last week via Hwy 12 from Suisun, to I-80, I was pulled over by
>>a CHP black and white by the 76 Gas station by Jameson Canyon Road.  The
>>officer stated "...it <looked> like you were going kinda fast coming down
>>highway 12.  You <must have> been going at least 70 or 75."  I just said okay,
>>and did not agree or disagree to anything he said.
>
>  Can you beat this ticket?  Personally, I think it's your Duty As a Citizen
>to make it as much trouble as possible for them, so maybe they'll Give Up
>and Leave Us Alone Someday Soon.
Right on, it is every citizen's right and duty to FORCE government
accountability.
(anecdotes deleted)
>  I've never tried proving the cop was mistaken.  I did get to see
>some other poor biker try it.  He was mixing up various facts like
>the maximum acceleration of a (cop) car, and the distance at which
>the cop had been pacing him, and end up demonstrating that he couldn't
>possibly have been going as fast as the cop had suggested.  He'd
>brought diagrams and a calculator.  He was Prepared.  He lost.  Keep
>in mind cops do this all the time, and their word is better than yours.
Also keep in mind that cops will LIE in court to get their way! (don't get
me started by asking how I know ;) If you decide to fight you have to be ready
for this as well as devise strategy to make the cop's story doubtful in the
judge/jury's mind.
>Maybe, though, they don't guess how fast bikes are going all the time.
>Besides, this guy didn't speak English very well, and ended up absolutely
>confounding the judge, the cop, and everyone else in the room who'd been
>recently criminalized by some twit with a gun and a quota.
>  Ahem.  OK, I'm better now.  Maybe he'd have won had his presentation
>been more polished.  Maybe not.  He did get applause.
|~~~~~|
|_____|
Ed McFarland  ewm@mvuzr.att.com            (_) /|
US Marshalls #9 (corner marshals)         /| |/
The best seat in the house to watch        |_|
motorcycle roadracing!                    /   \  NO Passing on Waving Yellow
From: ivan@erich.triumf.ca (Ivan D. Reid)
Subject: Re: Carrying crutches (was Re: Living
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In article <1pqhkl$g48@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>,
ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant) writes...
>	When I got my knee rebuilt I got back on the street bike ASAP. I put
>the crutches on the rack and the passenger seat and they hung out back a
>LONG way. Just make sure they're tied down tight in front and no problemo.
^^^^
Hmm, sounds like a useful trick -- it'd keep the local cagers at least
a crutch-length off my tail-light, which is more than they give me now.  But
do I have to break a leg to use it?
(When I broke my ankle dirt-biking, I ended up strapping the crutches
to the back of the bike & riding to the lab.  It was my right ankle, but the
bike was a GT380 and started easily by hand.)
Ivan Reid, Paul Scherrer Institute, CH.     			ivan@cvax.psi.ch
GSX600F, RG250WD.     "Beware drainage ditches on firetrails"	DoD #484
From: howp@skyfox
Subject: Thoughts on a 1982 Yamaha Seca Turbo?
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
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I was wondering if anybody knows anything about a Yamaha Seca Turbo.  I'm
considering buying a used 1982 Seca Turbo for $1300 Canadian (~$1000 US)
with 30,000 km on the odo.  This will be my first bike.  Any comments?
Thanks.
Peter How
Institute of Space and Atmospheric Studies
University of Saskatchewan,
Saskatoon, Saskatchewan
CANADA
(306) 966-6452
IN::how@skisas.usask.ca
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*                      1983 clapped-out Ford Truck                   *
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From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Re: Its still cold, but...
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>>
>> One thing is certain, though, its still too cold.  After about 40
>> minutes, I had to stop and hold my muffler for a while.
Be VERY careful about this. If youre really cold the muffler will
feel fine till you leave all the charred skin on it when you peel
your hands off - I speak from experience. You can also do all
kindsa (Americanism of the day) damage to your circulation warming
hands up on something too hot. By far the best (fastest and safest)
way to do it is to shove the hands up the opposit sleeves and
stand there like a Ming emporer for a while. Five minutes should
do it.
From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: re: Its still cold, but...
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>first ride of the season.
>
One thing is certain, though, its still too cold.  After about 40
>minutes, I had to stop and hold my muffler for a while.  When I got
>home after a few hours, I kept all my gear on for about a half hour
>in the house.  40F, 100% humidity, no wind protection, and 75mph
>do not mix well.
>
Hell! This is WARM. I retired my fleece from under the Aerostich last
month when the temperature got aboce 40. Try living a couple of years
on the dole, so you cant afford any heating. You put the gear on in
October, abd you take it off again in May. Getting out on the bike
seems like a luxury in comparison cos oyur usuallu going somewhere
warm.
Its all relative.
>
>Happy cold riding.
>
Who are you trying to kid - its the pain that makes it all worthwhile.
From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Re: Freezing and Riding
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>every spec of alertness to keep from getting squished, otherwise it's not
>only dangerous, it's unpleasant. The same goes for cold and fatigue, as I
>once took a half hour nap at a gas station to insure that I would make it
Yeah, hypothermia is MUCH more detrimemtal to your judgement and reactions
than people realise. I wish I had the patience to stop when I should. One
day I'll pay for it....
If you  begin to shiver - STOP and warm up thoroughly. If you leave it
till the shivering stops, this doesnt mean you're OK again, it means
you're a danger to yourself and everyone else on the road - your brain
and body are working about as fast as a tree grows. You will not realise
this yourself till you hit something. The next stage is passing out.
This usually means falling off.
From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Re: Drinking and Riding
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>So, you can't ride the bike, but you will drive truck home? The
>judgement and motor skills needed to pilot a moto are not required in a
>cage? This scares the sh*t out of me.
>
This is a piece of psychology its essential for any long term biker to
understand. People do NOT think 'if I do this will someone else suffer?'.
They assess things purely on' if I do this will I suffer?.
This is a vital concept in bike-cage interaction.
From: Dave Dal Farra <gpz750@bnr.ca>
Subject: Re: Eating and Riding was Re: Drinking and Riding
X-Xxdate: Tue, 6 Apr 93 15:22:03 GMT
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In article <PNAKADA.93Apr5140811@pnakada.oracle.com> Paul Nakada,
pnakada@oracle.com writes:
>
>What's the feeling about eating and riding?  I went out riding this
>weekend, and got a little carried away with some pecan pie.  The whole
>ride back I felt sluggish.  I was certainly much more alert on the
>ride in.  I'm sure others have the same feeling, but the strangest
>thing is that eating is usually the turnaround point of weekend rides.
>
>From now on, a little snack will do.  I'd much rather have a get that
>full/sluggish feeling closer to home.
>
>-Paul
>--
>Paul Nakada | Oracle Corporation | pnakada@oracle.com
>DoD #7773 | '91 R100C | '90 K75S
>
To maintain my senses at their sharpest, I never eat a full meal
within 24 hrs of a ride.   I've tried Slim Fast Lite before a
ride but found that my lap times around the Parliament Buildings suffered
0.1 secs.   The resultant 70 pound weight loss over the summer
just sharpens my bike's handling and I can always look
forward to a winter of carbo-loading.
Obligatory 8:)
Dave D.F.
"It's true they say that money talks.  When mine spoke it said
'Buy me a Drink!'."
From: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker)
Subject: Re: Thoughts on a 1982 Yamaha Seca Turbo?
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In a previous article, howp@skyfox () says:
>I was wondering if anybody knows anything about a Yamaha Seca Turbo.  I'm
>considering buying a used 1982 Seca Turbo for $1300 Canadian (~$1000 US)
>with 30,000 km on the odo.  This will be my first bike.  Any comments?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Because of this I cannot in good faith recommend a Seca Turbo.  Power
delivery is too uneven for a novice.  The Official (tm) Dod newbie
bike of choice would be more appropriate because the powerband is so wide
and delivery is very smooth. Perfect for the beginner.
--
DoD #650<----------------------------------------------------------->DarkMan
The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of
thinking we were at when we created them.   - Albert Einstein
___________________The Eternal Champion_________________
From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine)
Subject: Re: insect impacts
Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division
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I feel childish.
In article <1ppvds$92a@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> egreen@East.Sun.COM writes:
>In article 7290@rd.hydro.on.ca, jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:
>>>>
>>>>how _do_ the helmetless do it?
>>>
>>>Um, the same way people do it on
>>>horseback
>>
>>not as fast, and they would probably enjoy eating bugs, anyway
>
>Every bit as fast as a dirtbike, in the right terrain.  And we eat
>flies, thank you.
Who mentioned dirtbikes? We're talking highway speeds here. If you go 70mph
on your dirtbike then feel free to contribute.
>>>jeeps
>>
>>you're *supposed* to keep the windscreen up
>
>then why does it go down?
Because it wouldn't be a Jeep if it didn't. A friend of mine just bought one
and it has more warning stickers than those little 4-wheelers (I guess that's
becuase it's a big 4 wheeler). Anyway, it's written in about ten places that
the windshield should remain up at all times, and it looks like they've made
it a pain to put it down anyway, from what he says. To be fair, I do admit
that it would be a similar matter to drive a windscreenless Jeep on the
highway as for bikers. They may participate in this discussion, but they're
probably few and far between, so I maintain that this topic is of interest
primarily to bikers.
>>>snow skis
>>
>>NO BUGS, and most poeple who go fast wear goggles
>
>So do most helmetless motorcyclists.
Notice how Ed picked on the more insignificant (the lower case part) of the
two parts of the statement. Besides, around here it is quite rare to see
bikers wear goggles on the street. It's either full face with shield, or
open face with either nothing or aviator sunglasses. My experience of
bicycling with contact lenses and sunglasses says that non-wraparound
sunglasses do almost nothing to keep the crap out of ones eyes.
>>The question still stands. How do cruiser riders with no or negligible helmets
>>stand being on the highway at 75 mph on buggy, summer evenings?
>
>helmetless != goggleless
Ok, ok, fine, whatever you say, but lets make some attmept to stick to the
point. I've been out on the road where I had to stop every half hour to clean
my shield there were so many bugs (and my jacket would be a blood-splattered
mess) and I'd see guys with shorty helmets, NO GOGGLES, long beards and tight
t-shirts merrily cruising along on bikes with no windscreens. Lets be really
specific this time, so that even Ed understands. Does anbody think that
splattering bugs with one's face is fun, or are there other reasons to do it?
Image? Laziness? To make a point about freedom of bug splattering?
I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada
From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine)
Subject: Re: Drinking and Riding (eww, gross)
Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division
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In article <MJMUISE.38.733926270@1302.watstar.uwaterloo.ca> MJMUISE@1302.watstar.uwaterloo.ca (Mike Muise) writes:
>
>1 hr/drink for the first 4 drinks.
>1.5 hours/drink for the next 6 drinks.
>2 hours/drink for the rest.
In my case it goes down after the first four, because the fifth one usually
makes me throw up the last two.
Needless to say, I don't drink very much anymore, as the last time that
happened was in the second year of my undergrad. I was a silly .edu breath,
and pretty bad breath at that.
I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada
From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine)
Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post
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In article <ls1v14INNjml@earth.cs.utexas.edu> mcguire@cs.utexas.edu (Tommy Marcus McGuire) writes:
>
>Obcountersteer:  For some reason, I've discovered that pulling on the
>wrong side of the handlebars (rather than pushing on the other wrong
>side, if you get my meaning) provides a feeling of greater control.  For
>example, rather than pushing on the right side to lean right to turn
>right (Hi, Lonny!), pulling on the left side at least until I get leaned
>over to the right feels more secure and less counter-intuitive.  Maybe
>I need psychological help.
I told a newbie friend of mine, who was having trouble from the complicated
explanations of his rider course, to think of using the handlebars to lean,
not to turn. Push the right handlebar "down" (or pull left up or whatever)
to lean right. It worked for him, he stopped steering with his tuchus.
I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada
From: andersen@me.udel.edu (Stephen Andersen)
Subject: Riding Jacket Recommendations
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My old jacket is about to bite the dust so I'm in the market for a new riding
jacket.  I'm looking for  recommendations for a suitable replacement.  I would
like to buy a full Aerostich suit but I can't afford $700 for it right now.
I'm considering two basic options:
1)  Buy the Aerostich jacket only.  Dunno how much it costs
due to recent price increases, but I'd imagine over $400.
That may be pushing my limit.  Advantages include the fact
that I can later add the pants, and that it nearly eliminates
the need for the jacket portion of a rainsuit.
2)  Buy some kind of leather jacket.  I like a few of the new
Hein-Gericke FirstGear line, however they may be a bit pricey
unless I can work some sort of deal.  Advantages of leather
are potentially slightly better protection, enhanced pose
value (we all know how important that is :-), possibly cheaper
than upper Aerostich.
Requirements for a jacket are that it must fit over a few other
layers (mainly a sizing thing), if leather i'd prefer a zip-out
lining, it MUST have some body armor similar to aerostich (elbows,
shoulders, forearms, possibly back/kidney protection, etc.), a
reasonable amount of pocket space would be nice, ventilation would
be a plus, however it must be wearable in cold weather (below
freezing) with layers or perhaps electrics.
Please fire away with suggestions, comments, etc...
Steve
--
--
Steve Andersen  DoD #0239                               andersen@me.udel.edu
(302) 832-0136                                     andersen@zr1.ccm.udel.edu
1992 Ducati 907 I.E.                                      1987 Yamaha SRX250
"Life is simply a consequence of the complexities of carbon chemistry..."
From: kurt@oddjob.uchicago.edu (Kurt Henriksen)
Subject: BRAKE ROTORS..CROSS DRILLING...1-312-702-8323
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From: speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer)
Subject: Re: insect impacts
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In article <1993Apr6.154544.28595@rd.hydro.on.ca> jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:
>In article <1ppvds$92a@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> egreen@East.Sun.COM writes:
>>In article 7290@rd.hydro.on.ca, jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:
>>Every bit as fast as a dirtbike, in the right terrain.  And we eat
>>flies, thank you.
>Who mentioned dirtbikes? We're talking highway speeds here. If you go 70mph
>on your dirtbike then feel free to contribute.
Obviously never rode a good 250 or open-class bike!
--------======= I am not paid to have an opinion! =======--------
Dr. Speed                                           Suzuki GS850G
DoD #8177
From: SRUHL@MECHANICAL.watstar.uwaterloo.ca (Stefan Ruhl)
Subject: crappy Honda CX650
Lines: 24
Organization: University of Waterloo
Hi, I just have a small question about my bike.
Being a fairly experienced BMW and MZ-Mechanic, I just don't know what to
think about my Honda.
She was using too much oil for the last 5000 km (on my trip to Daytona bike
week this spring), and all of a sudden, she trailed smoke like hell and
was running only on one cylinder.
I towed the bike home and took it apart, but everything looks in perfect
working order. No cracks in the heads or pistons, the cylinder walls look
very clean, and the wear of pistons and cylinders is not measurable. All
still within factory specs. The only thing I could find, however, was a
slightly bigger ring gap on the right cylinder (the one with the problem),
but it is still way below the wear-limit given in the Clymer-manual for
this bike.
Any syggestions??? What else could cause my problem??? Do I have to hone
the cylinder walls (make them a little rougher in a criss-cross-pattern) in
order to get better breaking in of my new rings??? Won't that increase the
wear of my pistons??
Please send comments to
sruhl@mechanical.watstar.uwaterloo.ca
Thanks in advance. Stef.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Stefan Ruhl
german exchange student.
Don't poke into my privacy !
From: sprattli@azores.crd.ge.com (Rod Sprattling)
Subject: Self-Insured (was: Should liability insurance be required?)
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In article <viking.733962547@ponderous.cc.iastate.edu>,
viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:
|>	I get annoyed at insurance.  Hence, I'm self-insured above
|>liability.  Mandating that I play their game is silly if I've a better
|>game to play and everybody is still financially secure.
What's involved in getting bonded?  Anyone know if that's an option
recognized by NYS DMV?
Rod
---
Roderick Sprattling		| No job too great, no time too small
sprattli@azores.crd.ge.com	| With feet to fire and back to wall.
From: plevine@orca.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Peter Levine)
Subject: BIKE FOR SALE ... 1986 Harley FLHTC
Organization: URI Department of Electrical Engineering
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For sale 1986 Harley FLHTC Liberty Edition.
Good condition. Many extras. Asking $7500.
Located in Rhode Island.
Peter Levine	plevine@ele.uri.edu
From: randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis)
Subject: Re: Goldwing performance
Reply-To: randy@megatek.com
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
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In article <3880206@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Graeme Harrison) writes:
|According to Peter Egan in the just released Cycle World his FLHS is a
|real dog when he pillions his 120lb wife. All that money for a dog that
|doesn't defecate much. =:-]
But, think of the *mystique* you are buying into for that extra $7k or
more!!!
Randy Davis                            Email: randy@megatek.com
ZX-11 #00072 Pilot                            {uunet!ucsd}!megatek!randy
DoD #0013
From: hesh@cup.hp.com (Chris Steinbroner)
Subject: Re: Tracing license plates of BDI cagers?
Article-I.D.: cup.C535HL.C6H
Reply-To: Chris Steinbroner <hesh@cup.hp.com>
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Curtis Jackson (cjackson@adobe.com) wrote:
: The driver had looked over at me casually a couple of times; I
: know he knew I was there.
oh, okay.  then in that case it was
attemped vehicular manslaughter.
he definitely wanted to kill you.
all cagers want to kill bikers.
that's the only explanation that
i can think of.
-- hesh
From: denis@apldbio.com (Denis Concordel)
Subject: *** For sale: 1988 Husqvarna 510TE ***
Distribution: ba,ca
Organization: Applied Biosystems, Inc
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For sale:
Model  : Husqvarna 510 TE (enduro model)
Year   : 1988
Engine : 500 cc Four Stroke
Extras : - 1992 ignition (for easy starting)
- Suspension by Aftershock
- Custom carbon fiber/Kevlar skid plate
- Quick steering geometry
- Stock (EPA legal and quiet) exhaust system
- Bark busters and hand guards
- Motion Pro clutch cable
Price  : $2200
Contact: Denis Concordel  E-Mail: denis@apldbio.com
MaBell: (415) 570 6667 (work)
(415) 494 7109 (home)
I am selling my trusty Husky... hopefully to buy a Husaberg...  This is
a very good dirt bike and has been maintained perfectly.  I never had
any problems with it.
It's a four stroke, 4 valves, liquid cooled engine. It is heavier than
a 250 2 stroke but still lighter than a Honda XR600 and has a lot better
suspension (Ohlins shock, Husky fork) than the XR. For the casual or non
competitive rider, the engine is much better than any two stroke.
You can easily lug up hills and blast through trails with minimum gear
changes.
The 1992 ignition and the carefully tuned carburation makes this bike
very easy to start (starts of first kick when cold or hot).  There is a
custom made carbon/kevlar (light 1 pound) wrap around skid plate to protect
the engine cases and the water pump.  The steering angle has been reduced
by 2 degree to increase steering quickness. This with the suspension tune-up
by Phil Douglas of Aftershock (Multiple time ISDE rider) gives it a better
ride than most bike: plush suspension, responsive steering with no head shake.
So if it is such a good bike why sell it???? Gee, I want to buy a Husaberg,
which just a husky but 25 pounds lighter... and a tad more $$$.
From: 0005111312@mcimail.com (Peter Nesbitt)
Subject: Thanks for the speeding ticket advice!
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I'd like to thank everyone who took the time to respond to my post about
fighting my ticket.
Many of you wrote to say that you have successfully fought and won your
case in court.  Others lost due to the cop outright lying to the judge
about the circumstances surrounding your ticket, while one fellow lost
because the judge just didn't appear to be in the mood for such foolishness.
Several of you suggested that I obtain a book called "Fight Your Ticket".
The general theme from those who said "go for it", was to be prepared.
I should do as much research as possible, go back and review the scene,
transcribe what happened to tape or paper, use any witnesses that may
have been around, have a list of questions to ask the cop and/or the judge,
and to be positive and assertive.  I am innocent until proven guilty! <gulp>
A few people suggested trying to get my court date changed, as this might
trip up the arresting officer, he may not show up if the date is on his day
off or if he feels/knows that he doesn't have a chance to win against you.
One individual stated that an Officer could be an Expert Witness, and if he
says I was speeding, then by damn, I was speeding.
Another says that I must have been paced or clocked with a radar gun.
Lots of good suggestions and ideas from you all.  I'll let you know what
happens after the big day!
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From: remmons@iat.holonet.net (Robert Emmons)
Subject: Re: MAIL ORDER
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>If you get good service from a shop, or they regularly have merchandise
^^^^^^^
>in stock you need, or they have a knowledgable and/or friendly sales
^^^^^^^^
>staff, or if for whatever other reason you would like to do business
>with them, which will in the aggrigate keep them in business and
>available to fill your future needs, but they charge more for an item
>than another store, you can usually purchase the item in the store of
>your choice, and pay the lowest legitimate price being offered
>elsewhere.
Sounds pretty lame to me.
Let me see if I understand now. Your "friends" charge you extra?
Just how much do you usually have to pay for a little
friendliness? Seems like you're being "serviced" by some
"friendly" sales people.
Robert Emmons                 Never hesitate to sacrifice clarity
CalcShop Inc.                 and maintainability to save precious
remmons@holonet.net           picoseconds during program execution.
From: jeff@mri.com (Jonathan Jefferies)
Subject: BMW 49'r Rally
Summary: Memorial Day Weekend Rally
Keywords: BMW, RALLY, 49'r
Article-I.D.: mri.1993Apr9.011743.1903
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PRESS RELEASE
TO::  ALL BMW RIDERS
SUBJECT:: RALLY TIME IS HERE
FROM:: BMW CLUB OF NORTHERN CALIFORNIA
BMW 49'ER RALLY, MAY 27-31  (U.S. Memorial Day Weekend)
San Francisco Bay Area - 20th annual BMW 49'er Rally, sponsored by
The BMW Club of Northern Califronia,  will be held at the Quincy,
California Fairgrounds, from May 27-31, 1993
Included in the $42 pre-registration fee, $47 at gate, are 4 Star
camping, field events and trophies, two dinners, rally pin, door prizes,
Poker Run, vendor displays, Fun Run, English Trials, and live music playing
throughout the weekend.  Plus extras like hot showers, Tours, a Concourse
D'Elegance and more.
This is first time in the 49'er Rally's 20-year history that the
event is being held in Quincy.  And according to Pat Gardner, Rally Chairman,
"The 49'er Rally's continuing growth and the need for a larger and more
complete facility led us to Quincy.  Plus we can get there on either of our
two most favrite highways- Highway 70, which goes through the Feather River
Canyon, or up from the South via the Northernmost part of the Gold Country's
Highway 49."
Day passes will not be available and non-BMW rider must be a
pre-registered guest of a BMW rider.
The Quincy Fairgrounds is located on California State Highway 70/89,
two miles South of downtown Quincy.
For pre-registration forms and additional information, write Doug
Hubbard, BMW Club of Northern California, 41236 Norman Court, Fremont, CA
94539, or telephone <US> (510) 651-2195
ADDITIONAL NOTES::
This is a not for profit event and riders DO get their monies worth.
Whether you've ever attended a rally before or not This is the one
to make.  The only problem has been that there are so
many activities that attendees have to choose one over another.
Quincy is a beautiful campground, lots of grass and little dust.
For folks who have been to previous 49'er rallies at Mariposa,
Quincy has lots of space, all of it flat so room is not a problem.
There are buildings and such available if there is a change in the weather.
Also the people of Quincy are going all out to welcome us.
Registration will begin on thursday.  Of course there are always early
arrivals who will show up monday or tuesday.  The registration fee pays
for camping Thursday through Monday (5 days).  There will be a tour Friday
with the main events beginning Saturday.  Sunday Evening will be the
awards ceremony.
For members of the various clubs, club awards will be based on
registration declaration of affilitation.  There will of course
be the usual awards for oldest male and female rider < betting 70 +
needed to win> and youngest rider ( they get cheater permits at 15>.
and greatest distance, one up & two up and all the usual things.
From: rbemben@timewarp.prime.com (Rich Bemben)
Subject: Re: Its still cold, but...
Expires: 30 Apr 93 05:00:00 GMT
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In article <1993Apr6.224037.28921@linus.mitre.org> cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes:
>I tend to keep my bedroom window open during the winter and have woken
>up to find frost on my bedspread, but I still get cold below about
>30F.  Usually on the part that sticks out of the bottom of my helmet.
>Maybe it's time to get a NOJ quiet rider.
Cool - I conjure up this image of BD in Doonesbury...so Dean, how long
have you been sleeping with your helmet on??
Rich Bemben - DoD #0044                     rbemben@timewarp.prime.com
1977 750 Triumph Bonneville                 (617) 275-1800 x 4173
"Fear not the evil men do in the name of evil, but heaven protect
us from the evil men do in the name of good"
From: irwin@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Irwin Arnstein)
Subject: Re: Recommendation on Duc
Summary: What's it worth?
Distribution: usa
Expires: Sat, 1 May 1993 05:00:00 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX
Keywords: Ducati, GTS, How much?
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I have a line on a Ducati 900GTS 1978 model with 17k on the clock.  Runs
very well, paint is the bronze/brown/orange faded out, leaks a bit of oil
and pops out of 1st with hard accel.  The shop will fix trans and oil
leak.  They sold the bike to the 1 and only owner.  They want $3495, and
I am thinking more like $3K.  Any opinions out there?  Please email me.
Thanks.  It would be a nice stable mate to the Beemer.  Then I'll get
a jap bike and call myself Axis Motors!
--
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"Tuba" (Irwin)      "I honk therefore I am"     CompuTrac-Richardson,Tx
irwin@cmptrc.lonestar.org    DoD #0826          (R75/6)
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From: rbemben@timewarp.prime.com (Rich Bemben)
Subject: Safe driving prcatices...
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In article <1993Apr9.133114.2605@news.columbia.edu> rdc8@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Robert D Castro) writes:
>In article <rbpC54D51.26n@netcom.com> rbp@netcom.com (Bob Pasker) writes:
>>cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes:
>
>>
>>my solution is *never* to ride next to a car
>
>The only thing between you and "them" is space.
>Keep as much as possible.
Take this one step further ...
Never dilly-dally in that rear 1/4 of either side of a cage - when you pass
make it as POSITIVE as possible and if you can't pass fully, at least make
sure that if you attempt it you can make the driver aware of you by at least
getting into his area of vision.
This also applies to merging into another lane after making a pass - do it
as POSITIVELY as possible ... and what I "try" to do is look in the rear view
and then over my shoulder.  And after I've done that ACCELERATE into the
lane so that you have a speed cushion should you have missed seeing a
potential BDI that's trying to do the same thing as you ... or worse (ie:
he may have been behind you, saw you made the pass successfully but YOU aren't
GOING FAST ENOUGH to suite him so he tries to go around you on the right).
Ride with four eyes...
Rich
Rich Bemben - DoD #0044                     rbemben@timewarp.prime.com
1977 750 Triumph Bonneville                 (617) 275-1800 x 4173
"Fear not the evil men do in the name of evil, but heaven protect
us from the evil men do in the name of good"
From: rbemben@timewarp.prime.com (Rich Bemben)
Subject: Re: April 1( was Re: FAQ - What is the DoD?)
Expires: 30 Apr 93 05:00:00 GMT
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In article <9901221@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> jld@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Deeney) writes:
>In rec.motorcycles, viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:
>
>> Last year, I believe it was, Jeff Deeney posted what I've since come to
>> recognize as the ultimate April Fools posting ever.  It wasn't particularly
>> nice of him, as several people were quite fooled and very worried about
>> him, but I can't fault the effectiveness.
>
>Based on numerous inputs (most of them unprintable), I deemed it time for a
>kinder, gentler, April 1.  Not that I didn't have something really sick and
>twisted ready to post :-)  Perhaps next year.
Personally, I think Jeffy-Poo was still smarting more from the third degree
burns he suffered after April 1st last year rather than the supposed burns
that he suffered in "the joke".  Granted I was one of those people that were
taken in by it and I was certainly concerned...and then pissed at him for
pulling such a thing (which I made known to him).
But then again, for an April Fool "joke" I would also go on record as saying
that it was the best orchestrated one I've ever seen and it certainly sucked
a LOT of people into believing it 8-( 8-| 8-\ 8-)...
"sick" - "twisted"??? Who in this group could ever be accused of such a thing?
I tip my twisted lid to thee Jeffy 8-).
Rich Bemben - DoD #0044                     rbemben@timewarp.prime.com
1977 750 Triumph Bonneville                 (617) 275-1800 x 4173
"Fear not the evil men do in the name of evil, but heaven protect
us from the evil men do in the name of good"
From: maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer)
Subject: Observation re: helmets
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Grf. Dropped my Shoei RF-200 off the seat of my bike while trying to rock
it onto it's centerstand, chipped the heck out of the paint on it...
So I cheerfully spent $.59 on a bottle of testor's model paint and
repainted the scratches and chips for 20 minutes.
Then, while it was drying, I realized that I was out of smokes and that my
cage is not currently running... So I "had to" take my bike down to the
store. Not wanting to mess up my paint job, I said "Well, heck. I can just
use my old helmet".... this is your standard el cheapie openface...
I didn't notice a big difference when I switched TO the shoei, but
switching back was really bad...
1) Doesn't fit worth a damn, too wide in the sides, too short front to
back...
2) With a faceplate, it's still bloody windy... with the shoei, I normally
ignore the face shield until I get up to about 30ish... with this one,
taxiing to the end of the driveway was too smegging much wind.
The question for the day is re: passenger helmets, if you don't know for
certain who's gonna ride with you (like say you meet them at a .... church
meeting, yeah, that's the ticket)... What are some guidelines? Should I just
pick up another shoei in my size to have a backup helmet (XL), or should I
maybe get an inexpensive one of a smaller size to accomodate my likely
passenger?
From: bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner)
Subject: Re: GGRRRrrr!! Cages double-parking motorcycles pisses me off!
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In article <34211@castle.ed.ac.uk> wbg@festival.ed.ac.uk (W Geake) writes:
>
>The Banana one isn't, IMHO.  Ultra sticky labels printed with your
>favourite curse are good - even our local hospitals use them instead of
>wheel clamps, putting one (about A5 size) on each window of the cage.
So what's your local hospital's favorite curse?
--
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland
bgardner@dsd.es.com
From: rdc8@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Robert D Castro)
Subject: Flashing anyone?
Keywords: flashing
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Hello all,
On my bike I have hazard lights (both front and back turn signals
flash).  Since I live in NJ and commute to NYC there are a number of
tolls one must pay on route.  Just before arriving at a toll booth I
switch the hazards on.  I do thisto warn other motorists that I will
be taking longer than the 2 1/2 seconds to make the transaction.
Taking gloves off, getting money out of coin changer/pocket, making
transaction, putting gloves back on takes a little more time than the
average cager takes to make the same transaction of paying the toll.
I also notice that when I do this cagers tend to get the message and
usually go to another booth.
My question, is this a good/bad thing to do?
Any others tend to do the same?
Just curious
o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>
Rob Castro     | email - rdc8@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu | Live for today
1983 KZ550LTD  | phone - (212) 854-7617              | For today you live!
DoD# NYC-1     | New York, New York, USA             |        RC (tm)
From: jpolito@sysgem1.encore.com (Jonathan Polito)
Subject: Re: Stolen  AARGHHHH.....
Organization: Encore Computer Corp.
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In article <1993Apr15.002222.23057@microunity.com> ericm@microunity.com (Eric Murray) writes:
Watch out.  Often when some scumbag steals the cover, that means
that they were or are looking to steal the bike.  In my case, I
had a faded cover stolen off a bmw R100RS that was stashed in an
apartment carport and not visible from the street.  They evidently
decided the beemer wasn't worth stealing, but did try the next night to
steal a Honda Hurricane 600 parked in the next apartment building.
A neighbor heard them wheeling it out and called the cops.
I know this is just setting myself up, but this is actually one of the
things that is really good about BMW bikes.  From all accounts I've
heard practically no one steals BMWs. Probably it is similar for Moto
Guzzis and other relative "exotics" since there isn't a large demand
for parts and the bike would be much easier to track down. It seems
that the most stolen bikes are Harleys and 600cc Jap sport bikes.
--
Jonathan E. Polito 		    Internet: jpolito@encore.com
Encore Computer Corp, 901 Kildaire Farm Rd, Cary, NC  27511  USA
919-481-3730/voice  				919-481-3868/FAX
From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine)
Subject: Re: bikes with big dogs
Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division
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In article <1993Apr14.212827.2277@galaxy.gov.bc.ca> bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca writes:
>In article <1993Apr14.234835.1@cua.edu>, 84wendel@cua.edu writes:
>> Has anyone ever heard of a rider giving a big dog such as a great dane a ride
>> on the back of his bike.  My dog would love it if I could ever make it work.
>
>!!! Post of the month !!!
>Actually, I've seen riders carting around a pet dog in a sidecar....
>A great Dane on the back though; sounds a bit hairy to me.
Yeah, I'm sure that our lab would love a ride (he's the type that sticks his
head out car windows) but I didn't think that he would enjoy being bungee-
corded to the gas tank, and 65 lbs or squirming beast is a bit much for a
backpack (ok who's done it....).
I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada
From: ba7116326@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg
Subject: V-max handling request
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Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
hello there
ican anyone who has handson experience on riding the Yamaha v-max, pls kindly
comment on its handling .
From: bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner)
Subject: Re: MOTORCYCLE DETAILING TIP #18
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In article <1993Apr15.000851.17731@bnr.ca> MBEAVING@BNR.CA writes:
>Don't you just hate when the speedo and tach on your
>bike start to cloud over from all that nasty sunshine?
>The detailing tip of the week is to use rubbing compound.
>
>Moisten a rag, apply some rubbing compound and work into the
>translucent, previously transparent, material. After a few
>minutes of working on the plastic face, the dial, or plastic
>face will be clear once more. Will not work for glass.
A couple of other tips.
1) Make a habit of parking the bike so that instruments are facing away
from the sun.
2) Meguiar's Mirror Glaze Plastic Polish & Plastic Cleaner. (Cue canned
product plug #2543):
roise@sumax.seattleu.edu (Linda Roise) writes:
>OK, for a novice question, is there anything that will clean a
>face-shield and also remove abrasions so that one can see through it
>better?
What you want are Meguiar's Mirror Glaze Plastic Polish and Plastic
Cleaner. They are very mild abrasives meant to remove scratches from
plastic. For fine scratches just use the Polish, for bigger ones start
with the Cleaner and finish with the Polish. The stuff is $5-8 bucks per
bottle at most auto or motorcycle parts stores. Don't choke over the
price too much, since both bottles will probably last you 10 years. The
stuff works great on plastic watch "crystals" and compact discs too.
--
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland
bgardner@dsd.es.com
From: wcd82671@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (daniel warren c)
Subject: Hard Copy --- Hot Pursuit!!!!
Summary: SHIT!!!!!!!
Keywords: Running from the Police.
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Yo, did anybody see this run of HARD COPY?
I guy on a 600 Katana got pulled over by the Police (I guess for
speeding or something).  But just as the cop was about to step
out of the car, the dude punches it down an interstate in Georgia.
Ang then, the cop gives chase.
Now this was an interesting episode because it was all videotaped!!!
Everything from the dramatic takeoff and 135mph chase to the sidestreet
battle at about 100mph.  What happened at the end?  The guy (who is
being relentless chased down box the cage with the disco lights)
slows a couple of times to taunt the cop.   After blowing a few stop
signs and making car jump to the side, he goes up a dead end street.
The Kat, although not the latest machine, is still a high performance
machine and he slams on the brakes.  Of couse, we all know that cages,
especially the ones with the disco lights, can't stop as fast as our
high performance machines.  So what happens?...  The cage plows into the
Kat.
Luckily for this dude, he was wearing a helmet and was not hurt.  But
dude, how crazy can you get!?!  Yeah, we've all went out and played
cat and mouse with our friends but, with a cop!!???!!!  How crazy can
you get!?!?!  It took just one look at a ZX-7 who tried this crap
to convince me not to try any shit like that.  (Although the dude
collided with a car head on at 140 mph, the Kawasaki team colors
still looked good!!!  Just a few scratches, like no front end....
3 inch long engine and other "minor" scratches...)
If you guys are out there, please, slow it down.  I not being
an advocate for the cages (especially the ones that make that
annoying ass noises...), but just think...  The next time you
punched it (whether you have an all mighty ZX-11 or a "I can
do it" 250 Ninja), just remember, a kid could step out at any
time.
Peace & ride (kinda) safe.
Warren -- "Have Suzuki, Will travel..."
WCD82671@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
"What's the big deal about riding one of these. I'm only going...
95!?!?!"    - Annie (Robotech)
From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: Wanted:  Advice on CB900 Custom purchase
Keywords: CB900, purchase
Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc.
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In article <1993Apr14.204821.8497@linus.mitre.org> cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes:
>In article <93Apr14.185235.31833@acs.ucalgary.ca> parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes:
>>My mechanic once commented that the 'dual range' transmission was
>>pure junk. One mans opinion...
>>
I had a friend in Pittsburgh who had a CB1000C with the dual-range
tranny on it.  He usually only used the "economy" range to get an overdrive
sixth gear out of it.  He had 59000 miles on it when it was stolen.  It was
recovered shortly after that, repaired, and, for all I know, it's still going
strong.
The CB1000C was a shaft-driven overbore version of the CB900 and was
made for exactly one year (yep, head and base gaskets are VERY expensive).
Helluva bike.
A data point,
--
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC	  1991 ZX-11 - needs a name
agree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.
From: prange@nickel.ucs.indiana.edu (Henry Prange)
Subject: Re: (tangentially) Re: Live Free, but Quietly, or Die
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In article <1993Apr15.035406.29988@rd.hydro.on.ca> jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:
impertinent stuff deleted
>
>Am I showing my Canadian University-ness here, of does anyone else know
>what I'm talking about?
>
>I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
>     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
>                         ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada
There you go again, you edu-breath poser! "University-ness" indeed!
Leave that stuff to us professionals.
Henry Prange  biker/professional edu-breath
Physiology/IU Sch. Med., Blgtn., 47405
DoD #0821; BMWMOA #11522; GSI #215
ride = '92 R100GS; '91 RX-7 conv = cage/2; '91 Explorer = cage*2
The unifying trait of our species is the relentless pursuit of folly.
Hypocrisy is the only national religion of this country.
From: fist@iscp.bellcore.com (Richard Pierson)
Subject: Re: Boom! Hubcap attack!
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In article <speedy.147@engr.latech.edu>, speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy
Mercer) writes:
|> I was attacked by a rabid hubcap once.  I was going to work on a
|> Yamaha
|> 750 Twin (A.K.A. "the vibrating tank") when I heard a wierd noise off
|> to my
|> left.  I caught a glimpse of something silver headed for my left foot
|> and
|> jerked it up about a nanosecond before my bike was hit HARD in the
|> left
|> side.  When I went to put my foot back on the peg, I found that it
|> was not
|> there!  I pulled into the nearest parking lot and discovered that I
|> had been
|> hit by a wire-wheel type hubcap from a large cage!  This hubcap
|> weighed
|> about 4-5 pounds!  The impact had bent the left peg flat against the
|> frame
|> and tweeked the shifter in the process.  Had I not heard the
|> approaching
|> cap, I feel certian that I would be sans a portion of my left foot.
|>
|> Anyone else had this sort of experience?
|>
Not with a hub cap but one of those "Lumber yard delivery
trucks" made life interesting when he hit a 'dip' in the road
and several sheets of sheetrock and a dozen 5 gallon cans of
spackle came off at 70 mph. It got real interesting for about
20 seconds or so. Had to use a wood mallet to get all the dried
spackle off Me, the Helmet and the bike when I got home. Thanks
to the bob tail Kenworth between me and the lumber truck I had
a "Path" to drive through he made with his tires (and threw up
the corresponding monsoon from those tires as he ran over
what ever cans of spackle didn't burst in impact). A car in
front of me in the right lane hit her brakes, did a 360 and
nailed a bridge abutment half way through the second 360.
The messiest time was in San Diego in 69' was on my way
back to the apartment in ocean beach on my Sportster and
had just picked up a shake, burger n fries from jack in
the box and stuffed em in my foul weather jacket when the
milk shake opened up on Nimitz blvd at 50 mph, nothing
like the smell of vanilla milk shake cooking on the
engine as it runs down your groin and legs and 15 people
waiting in back of you to make the same left turn you are.
--
##########################################################
There are only two types of ships in the NAVY; SUBMARINES
and TARGETS !!!
#1/XS1100LH	DoD #956   #2 Next raise
Richard Pierson E06584 vnet: [908] 699-6063
Internet: fist@iscp.bellcore.com,|| UUNET:uunet!bcr!fist
#include <std.disclaimer> My opinions are my own!!!
I Don't shop in malls, I BUY my jeans, jackets and ammo
in the same store.
From: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker)
Subject: Re: Boom! Hubcap attack!
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
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In a previous article, speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer) says:
>I was attacked by a rabid hubcap once.  I was going to work on a Yamaha
>750 Twin (A.K.A. "the vibrating tank") when I heard a wierd noise off to my
>left.  I caught a glimpse of something silver headed for my left foot and
>jerked it up about a nanosecond before my bike was hit HARD in the left
>side.  When I went to put my foot back on the peg, I found that it was not
>there!  I pulled into the nearest parking lot and discovered that I had been
>hit by a wire-wheel type hubcap from a large cage!  This hubcap weighed
>about 4-5 pounds!  The impact had bent the left peg flat against the frame
>and tweeked the shifter in the process.  Had I not heard the approaching
>cap, I feel certian that I would be sans a portion of my left foot.
>
Hmmmm.....I wondered where that hubcap went.
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The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of
thinking we were at when we created them.   - Albert Einstein
___________________The Eternal Champion_________________
From: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker)
Subject: Re: V-max handling request
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
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In a previous article, ba7116326@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg () says:
>hello there
>ican anyone who has handson experience on riding the Yamaha v-max, pls kindly
>comment on its handling .
You're kidding, right?  This is Flame bait in the extreme.  V-max handling?
Har har har har....
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The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of
thinking we were at when we created them.   - Albert Einstein
___________________The Eternal Champion_________________
From: rdc8@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Robert D Castro)
Subject: Contact person for boots
Keywords: combat
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Would anyone out there in DoDland be able to help me out in giving me
a contact to purchase a pair of military air-borne combat boots (9 1/2
D in size).  These boots (so I have read here on rec.moto) are calf
height boots that use only velcro for enclosure.  I have phoned around
and nobody seems to carry such an item.  I admit I have not gone into
the deepest bowels of NYC yet for the search but I have made some
calls to several of the bigger army/navy type stores with no luck.
Anyone out there know of a place that does carry such an item as well
as does mail order?  Any help would be appreciated.
o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>
Rob Castro     | email - rdc8@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu | Live for today
1983 KZ550LTD  | phone - (212) 854-7617              | For today you live!
DoD# NYC-1     | New York, New York, USA             |        RC (tm)
<o&o  <o&o  <o&o  <o&o  <o&o  <o&o  <o&o  <o&o  <o&o  <o&o  <o&o  <o&o  <o&o
From: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker)
Subject: Re: Hard Copy --- Hot Pursuit!!!!
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
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In a previous article, wcd82671@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (daniel warren c) says:
>
>Yo, did anybody see this run of HARD COPY?
No, I don't watch that Bu**Sh*t.
>The Kat, although not the latest machine, is still a high performance
>machine and he slams on the brakes.  Of couse, we all know that cages,
>especially the ones with the disco lights, can't stop as fast as our
>high performance machines.  So what happens?...  The cage plows into the
>Kat.
So, does this mean the cop is at fault for rear-ending the bike?  You know,
following too closely and reckless driving?
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DoD #650<----------------------------------------------------------->DarkMan
The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of
thinking we were at when we created them.   - Albert Einstein
___________________The Eternal Champion_________________
From: asper@calvin.uucp (Alan E. Asper)
Subject: Re: V-max handling request
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In article <1993Apr15.222224.1@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg> ba7116326@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg writes:
>hello there
>ican anyone who has handson experience on riding the Yamaha v-max, pls kindly
>comment on its handling .
I've ridden one twice. It was designed to be a monster in a straight line,
which it is. It has nothing on an FZR400 in the corners. In fact, it just
didn't handle that well at all in curves. But hey, that's not what it
was designed to do.
My two cents,
Alan
From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar)
Subject: Re: Rejetting carbs..
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Mark Kromer, on the Thu, 15 Apr 1993 00:42:46 GMT wibbled:
: In an article rtaraz@bigwpi (Ramin Taraz) wrote:
: >Does the "amount of exhaust allowed to leave the engine through the
: >exhaust pipe" make that much of a difference? the amount of air/fuel
: >mixture that a cylender sucks in (tries to suck in) depends on the
: >speed of the piston when it goes down.
: ...and the pressure in the cylinder at the end of the exhaust stroke.
: With a poor exhaust system, this pressure may be above atmospheric.
: With a pipe that scavenges well this may be substantially below
: atmospheric.  This effect will vary with rpm depending on the tune of
: the pipe; some pipes combined with large valve overlap can actually
: reverse the intake flow and blow mixture out of the carb when outside
: the pipes effective rev range.
: >Now, my question is which one provides more resistence as far as the
: >engine is conserned:
: >) resistance that the exhaust provides
: >) or the resistance that results from the bike trying to push itself and
: >  the rider
: Two completely different things.  The state of the pipe determines how
: much power the motor can make.  The load of the bike determines how
: much power the motor needs to make.
: --
: - )V(ark)<  FZR400 Pilot / ZX900 Payload / RD400 Mechanic
:                    You're welcome.
Well I, for one, am so very glad that I have fuel injection!  All those
needles and orifices and venturi and pressures... It's worse than school human
biology reproduction lessons (sex).  Always made me feel a bit queasy.
--
Nick (the Simple Minded Biker)   DoD 1069   Concise Oxford   Tube Rider
M'Lud.
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|"_"| |"_"| |"_"| |"_"|	  npet@bnr.ca  '86 BMW K100RS "Kay"
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From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: Should liability insurance be required?
Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc.
Distribution: usa
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In article <tcora-140493155620@b329-gator-3.pica.army.mil> tcora@pica.army.mil (Tom Coradeschi) writes:
>In article <1993Apr14.125209.21247@walter.bellcore.com>,
>fist@iscp.bellcore.com (Richard Pierson) wrote:
>>
>> Lets get this "No Fault" stuff straight, I lived in NJ
>> when NF started, my rates went up, ALOT. Moved to PA
>> and my rates went down ALOT, the NF came to PA and it
>> was a different story. If you are sitting in a parking
>> lot having lunch or whatever and someone wacks you guess
>> whose insurance pays for it ? give up ?  YOURS.
>
>BZZZT! If it is the other driver's fault, your insurance co pays you, less
>deductible, then recoups the total cost from the other guy/gal's company
>(there's a fancy word for it, which escapes me right now), and pays you the
>deductible. Or: you can go to the other guy/gal's company right off - just
>takes longer to get your cash (as opposed to State Farm, who cut me a check
>today, on the spot, for the damage to my wife's cage).
The word is "subrogation."  Seems to me, if you're willing to wait
for the money from scumbag's insurance, that you save having to pay the
deductible.  However, if scumbag's insurance is Scum insurance, then you may
have to pay the deductible to get your insurance co.'s pack of rabid, large-
fanged lawyers to recover the damages from Scum insurance's lawyers.
Sad, but true.  Call it job security for lawyers.
Later,
--
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC	  1991 ZX-11 - needs a name
agree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.
From: coburnn@spot.Colorado.EDU (Nicholas S. Coburn)
Subject: Re: bikes with big dogs
Nntp-Posting-Host: spot.colorado.edu
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
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In article <1993Apr14.234835.1@cua.edu> 84wendel@cua.edu writes:
>Has anyone ever heard of a rider giving a big dog such as a great dane a ride
>on the back of his bike.  My dog would love it if I could ever make it work.
>	Thanks
>			84wendel@cua.edu
>
On the back might be tricky, but here in Boulder, there is a guy
that can always be seen with his Golden Retriever in the sidecar.
Of course, the dog is always wearing WWII style goggles (no joke)
________________________________________________________________________
Nick Coburn                     DoD#6425                      AMA#679817
'88CBR1000              '89CBR600
coburnn@spot.colorado.edu
________________________________________________________________________
From: txd@ESD.3Com.COM (Tom Dietrich)
Subject: Re: Ducati 400 opinions wanted
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frankb@sad.hp.com (Frank Ball) writes:
>Godfrey DiGiorgi (ramarren@apple.com) wrote:
>&
>& The Ducati 400 model is essentially a reduced displacement 750, which
>& means it weighs the same and is the same size as the 750 with far less
>& power. It is produced specifically to meet a vehicle tax restriction
>& in certain markets which makes it commercially viable. It's not sold
>& in the US where it is unneeded and unwanted.
>&
>& As such, it's somewhat large and overweight for its motor. It will
>& still handle magnificently, it just won't be very fast. There are
>& very few other flaws to mention; the limited steering lock is the
>& annoyance noted by most testers. And the mirrors aren't perfect.
>The Ducati 750 model is essentially a reduced displacement 900, which
>means it weighs the same and is the same size as the 900 with far less
Nope, it's 24 lbs. lightrer than the 900.
>power.  And less brakes.
A single disk that is quite impressive. WIth two fingers on the lever,
much to Beth's horror I lifted the rear wheel about 8" in a fine Randy
Mamola impression. ;{>
>As such, it's somewhat large and overweight for its motor. It will
>still handle magnificently, it just won't be very fast. There are
I have a feeling that it's going to be fast enough that Beth will give
a few liter bike riders fits in the future.
>very few other flaws to mention; the limited steering lock is the
The steering locks are adjustable.
>annoyance noted by most testers. And the mirrors aren't perfect.
Beth sees fine out of them... I see 2/3 of them filled with black
leather.
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'86 Concours.....Sophisticated Lady            Tom Dietrich
'72 1000cc Sportster.....'Ol Sport-For sale      DoD # 055
'79 SR500.....Spike, the Garage Rat             AMA #524245
Queued for an M900!!                           FSSNOC #1843
Two Jousts and a Gather, *BIG fun!*            1KSPT=17.28%
Ma Bell (408) 764-5874               Cool as a rule, but sometimes...
e-mail txd@Able.MKT.3Com.COM                     (H. Lewis)
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From: cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson)
Subject: DOT Tire date codes
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I just mailed this:
I noticed a 2-3in long cut in the tread of the rear tire on my VFR.
The cut is only about as deep as the tread block, and looks like it
only scratched the rubber at the base, but the weird thing is, it's
way over on the edge where I haven't scuffed the tire in yet.
My questions are:
1. How dangerous is this, should I replace the tire right away?
and
2. If I should, since the cut is on the unscuffed portion and the
tire only has about 330 mi on it, what do you think my chances of
getting it replaced under warranty are?
To the nedod mailing list, and Jack Tavares suggested I check out
how old the tire is as one tactic for getting it replaced.  Does
anyone have the file on how to read the date codes handy?
Thanks,
Dean
--
| Dean Cookson / dcookson@mitre.org / 617 271-2714    | DoD #207  AMA #573534 |
| The MITRE Corp. Burlington Rd., Bedford, Ma. 01730  | KotNML  /  KotB       |
| "The road is my shepherd and I shall not stop"      | '92 VFR750F           |
| -Sam Eliott, Road Hogs MTV 1993                     | '88 Bianchi Limited   |
From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr)
Subject: Re: Fat Boy versus ZX-11 (new math)
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Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta
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In article <1pimfd$cre@agate.berkeley.edu> robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson) writes:
>In article <C4v3s7.MCz@ccu.umanitoba.ca> klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger) writes:
>>In <1993Apr1.130432.11009@bnr.ca> npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar) writes:
>>>Manual Velcro, on the 31 Mar 93 09:19:29 +0200 wibbled:
>>>: But 14 is greater than 11, or 180 is greater than 120, or ...
>>>No!  10 is the best of all.
>>No No No!
>>  It should be obvious that 8 is the best number by far. Last year 10
>>was hot but with the improvements to 8 this year there can be no
>>question.
>
>Hell, my Dad used to have an old 5 that would beat out today's 8 without
>breaking a sweat.
>
>(Well, in the twisties, anyway.)
>
>This year's 8 is just too cumbersome for practical use in anything other
>than repeating decimals.
>
Remember the good old days, when Hexadecimals, and even Binaries
were still legal? Sure, they smoked a little blue stuff out the
pipes, but I had a hex 7 that could slaughter any decimal 10 on
the road. Sigh, such nostalgia!
Regards, Charles
DoD0,001
RZ350
--
Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of
separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time,
struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing
gourd. --Unknown net.person
From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr)
Subject: Re: Drinking and Riding
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In article <C4wKBp.B9w@eskimo.com> maven@eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:
> What is a general rule of thumb for sobriety and cycling? Couple hours after
>you "feel" sober? What? Or should I just work with "If I drink tonight, I
>don't ride until tomorrow"?
Interesting discussion.
I limit myself to *one* 'standard serving' of alcohol if I'm
going to ride. And mostly, unless the alcohol is something
special (fine ale, good wine, or someone else's vsop), I usually
just don't drink *any*.
But then alcohol just isn't really important to me, mainly
for financial reasons...
At least one of the magazines claims to follow the
aviation guideline of "no alcohol whatsoever" within
24hrs of riding a 'company' bike.
Don't remember which mag though, it was a few years ago.
Regards, Charles (hicc.)
DoD:0.001
RZ350
--
Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of
separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time,
struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing
gourd. --Unknown net.person
From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar)
Subject: Re: For JOHS@dhhalden.no (3) - Last
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: un021432@wvnvms.wvnet.edu writes:
: >DUCATI3.UUE
: >QUUNCD Ver. 1.4, by Theodore A. Kaldis.
: >BEGIN--cut here--CUT HERE--Part 3
: >MG@NH)C1M+AV4)I;^**3NYR7,*(.H&"3V'!X12(&E+AFKIN0@APYT;C[#LI2T
This GIF was GREAT!!  I have it as the backdrop on my Apollo thingy and many
people stop by and admire it.  Of course I tell them that I did it myself....
It's far too much trouble to contact archive sites to get stuff like this, so
if anybody else has any good GIFs, please, please don't hesitate to post them.
Is the bra thing still going?
--
Nick (the Idiot Biker)   DoD 1069   Concise Oxford   No Bras
M'Lud.
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From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar)
Subject: Re: Camping question?
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Sanjay Sinha, on the 12 Apr 93 00:23:19 GMT wibbled:
: Thanks to everyone who posted in my previous quest for camping info..
: Another question.
: Well, not strictly r.m. stuff
: I am looking for a thermos/flask to keep coffee hot. I mean real
: hot! Of course it must be the unbreakable type. So far, what ever
: metal type I have wasted money on has not matched the vacuum/glass
: type.
: Any info appreciated.
: Sanjay
Back in my youth (ahem) the wiffy and moi purchased a gadget which heated up
water from a 12V source.  It was for car use but we thought we'd try it on my
RD350B.  It worked OK apart from one slight problem: we had to keep the revs
above 7000.  Any lower and the motor would die from lack of electron movement.
It made for interesting cups of coffee, anyhow.  We would plot routes that
contained straights of over three miles so that we had sufficient time to
get the water to boiling point.  This is sometimes difficult in England.
Good luck on your quest.
--
Nick (the Biker)   DoD 1069   Concise Oxford
M'Lud.
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|"_"| |"_"| |"_"| |"_"|	  npet@bnr.ca  '86 BMW K100RS "Kay"
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From: davide@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Dave Edmondson)
Subject: Re: Why are there no turbocharged motorbikes in North America?
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London
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: In article <7APR93.20040687@skyfox> howp@skyfox writes:
: >I just got to thinking:  why don't manufacturers still make bikes with
turbos?
: > etc ....
Because they add a lot of expense and complexity and make for a less reliable
and less controllable bike.
As an extreme example the CX500 Turbo cost as much as a Mike Hailwood Replica
Ducati.
--
David Edmondson                 davide@dcs.qmw.ac.uk
Queen Mary & Westfield College  DoD#0777 Guzzi Le Mans 1000
"This means the end of the horse-drawn Zeppelin."
From: gnome@pd.org (Mike Mitten)
Subject: Re: What is it with Cats and Dogs ???!
Organization: The Laughing Gnome Software Farm, Atlanta, GA, USA
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james.bessette (jimbes@cbnewsj.cb.att.com) wrote:
>In article <6130328@hplsla.hp.com> kens@hplsla.hp.com (Ken Snyder) writes:
>>ps.  I also heard from a dog breeder that the chains of bicycles and
>>motorcycles produced high frequency squeaks that dogs loved to chase.
>Ask the breeder why they also chase BMWs also.
Cam chain.
-Mike
Mike Mitten - gnome@pd.org - ...!emory!pd.org!gnome - AMA#675197 - DoD#522
Irony is the spice of life.     '90 Bianchi Backstreet  '82 Suzuki GS850GL
"The revolution will not be televised."
From: L629159@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: Boom! Hubcap attack!
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
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From: speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer)
I was attacked by a rabid hubcap once.  I was going to work on a Yamaha
750 Twin (A.K.A. "the vibrating tank") when I heard a wierd noise off to my
left.  I caught a glimpse of something silver headed for my left foot and
jerked it up about a nanosecond before my bike was hit HARD in the left...
(Rest deleted)
Anyone else had this sort of experience?
----===== DoD #8177 = Technician(Dr. Speed) .NOT. Student =====----
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Actually, hubcap attacks are fairly common, most cagers being too
incompetant to reinstall them properly after changing tires, or
to check them after collisions.  Luckily, few are as heavy as the
one that got you.
Al Moore  DoD  734
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From: davide@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Dave Edmondson)
Subject: Re: GPz900 runs like a bitch.
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London
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I tried mailing you but your domain seems not to exist, can't even get
sinet.slb.com to admit to knowing about geco, anyway here we go:
In article <1q7kq1INNjl9@griffin.orpington.sgp.slb.com> you wrote:
: Subject:GPz900 runs like a bitch.
:    Anyone have a cure for sub zero running probs on a GPz 900.
: Anything below 3000 revs and the bike wants to cut out all the time,
: the recommended cure in the bike mags seems to be to switch off the engine
: for a minute to thaw the ice,but this is obviously not mutch of a cure.
: mine has had the kawasaki heated carb mod but the problem persists,
: i've covered the rad which makes the bike run warmer and moves the problem
: down the temp scale a degree or two.
:    Has anyone tried a dynojet kit on the 900 or (getting desperate) different
: carbs or the fuel injection off the GPz 1100.
:
Have you talked to Kawasaki, maybe they did another version of the upgrade
kit.  Got to be worth a phone call.  Did you do the carb mod or did you buy it
secondhand from someone who said that it had been done.
Is that Orpington in Kent?  If so have you heard of the Ogri mailing list
which I run?  Its an email list for bikers in the UK and interested parties,
available live or as a daily digest.  Let me know if you want to subscribe.
Good luck, Dave
--
David Edmondson                 davide@dcs.qmw.ac.uk
Queen Mary & Westfield College  DoD#0777 Guzzi Le Mans 1000
"This means the end of the horse-drawn Zeppelin."
From: keith@hydra.unm.edu ()
Subject: Where can I AFFORD a Goldwing mirror?
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
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Searched without luck for a FAQ here.  I need a left 85 Aspencade
mirror and Honda wants $75 for it.  Now if this were another piece
of chrome to replace the black plastic that wings come so liberally
supplied with I might be able to see that silly price, but a mirror
is a piece of SAFETY EQUIPMENT. The fact that Honda clearly places
concern for their profits ahead of concern for my safety is enough
to convince me that this (my third) wing will likely be my last.
In the mean time, anyboby have a non-ripoff source for a mirror?
keith smith  keith@hydra.unm.edu
From: paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein)
Subject: Latest SoCal Rides -- 4/14
Nntp-Posting-Host: harley.tti.com
Organization: Black Belt Motorcyclists Association
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Southern California RideList -- 4/14/93
Please send me any updates to this ride list. Remember, only street
rides that are open to all bikers are posted.  Please inc. phone # for
further info.  Also, send me your e-mail address if you want mailed
copies of this list.
I suggest calling first to make sure that info is current.  If you
find out further info, please let me know.  I strive for accuracy but
cannot be responsible for errors.
e-mail address: paulb@harley.tti.com
---------
c&d = coffee & donuts; Mx = Live Music; f&d = food & drinks available;
* = changes since last posting; ** Address at end of posting
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Apr 15-18	11th Annual Laughlin (NV) River Run.  Rides to the run from
points all over SoCal.  Concerts, poker runs, parties,
etc., etc. This is sponsored by the Southern Calif. Harley
Dealer Assoc., but all bikes are welcome.  Reservations
are only $25 at any SoCal Harley Dealer.  River Run 24 Hr
Hotline: 800/266-6441.  Discount Room reservations or
concert tix: 909/883-0317 (Tues-Sat, 9A-noon & 1-4P).
Apr 17		2nd Annual Racing Memorabilia Show & Sale. art, prints,
photos, lithos, models, books. 310/539-8108.
Apr 17-18	SCMA Route 66 Tour. 714/680-4667.
Apr 18		SCMA/TRAC A. Gypsy Tour. 7A in Santa Monica. John
Lane @ 818/359-0414.
Apr 18		Tax Time Run for the money (ABATE #19). 200 pins, prizes,
games, f&d, raffles. $7 (free if you join). s/in 8-10A
@ V-Twin City, 565 Brea Canyon Rd, Walnut.
Manny @ 909/594-0086.
*Apr 18 	3rd Annual GWTA Loma Linda Children's Hospital Benefit Run.
free c&d @ start. hot dogs, etc. @ finish. s/in 8-11A
@ Skip Fordyce motors, 7840 Indiana Ave., Riverside.
909/679-1097.
Apr 23-25	MMA State Overnighter. Frazier Park. 805-522-6557 or
805/392-0540.
Apr 23-25	32nd Yuma Prison Run. $20 mailin/$25 gate. camping.
310/944-2180 or 805/253-3043.
Apr 23-25	Paso Robles Clean & Sober Run @ Paso Robles Fairgrounds.
805/461-1211.
Apr 25		Shamrock's 3rd Annual Scenic Byways Tour. 2 starts,
5 routes. s/in 6:30-8:30A @ Simi Valley Honda,
4346 L.A. Ave. or Cycles Parts, 473 W. Baseline,
San Bernadino. Picnic & bbq @ Lake hughes. $14.  805/584-3983.
Apr 25		MRA Chap "E" Poker Run. 8A @ American Legion, 600 South
"D" St., Peris.  Steve Hill @ 714/244-3064.
May 1		AMA Grand Nat'l Dirt Track Series race. Pomona Fairplex,
714/623-3111 or 614/891-2425.
May 1		KPFK's (90.7 FM) Centerstand Radio Show and The Car Show
will broadcast live from Autobooks, Etc., 3524 W. Magnolia
Av., Burbank.  Carshow starts @ noonb, Centerstand
@ 1:30PM.  818/845-0707.
May 1		ABATE #8 Poker Run. East end of Bucklin Park, Imperial Valley.
s/in 8-10A. $8 includes food & entertainment. Barbara
@ 619/352-7006.
May 1-2 	PMC 47th Annual Greenhorn Tour. 818/963-5480 or 909/593-9988.
May 1-2		Song Dog Ranch Spring Rally. Overnight camping at this
famousmotorcycle campground.  Mx., All you can eat or
drink bbq dinner.  sunday bkfst. $40/person. reserve by
April 26. Song Dog Ranch, Rt 33, New Cuyama (N of Ojai).
805/766-2454.  (Keep trying this number).
May 2		BSA Owner's Club Spring Ride. Castaic Landing. 805/273-7005.
May 2		Album Release Celebration ("Helmet Laws Suck" by Billy Gordon &
The Blue Rockers) @ La Vida Hot Springs (91 to 57N to
Lambert east 5 miles on left). Special Guests, Mx, raffle.
714/996-0720.
May 2		1st Annual Spring Round-Up Rodeo. (ABATE #27). Many Bike
Games. f&d, pins, raffle. s/in starts 9A. Games @ noon.
$10 ea/$18 couple (free if you join). Robbies Restaurant,
26020 Hwy 74 (btwn Perris & Lake Elsinore). George or
Susan @ 909/674-0554; Allen or Melanie @ 909/780-3743.
May 14		MC Swap Meet @ Orange County Fairgnds, Costa Mesa. $6.
714/364-0515.
May 14		LA Cnty MC Swap Meet. $8. 818/361-0205.
May 14		Christian M/C Assn. SoCal Rally. First Assembly of God
Church, 15260 Nisqually Rd, Victorville. Bob Quintard
@ 909/797-9801.
May 16		Mother's with the Most. 805/763-4614.
May 16		4th Annual MC Awareness Day. (ABATE #22). 9:30-5p @
American Legion Hall, 1340 Gardena Bl (crnr Normandie),
Gardena. Mx, Vendors, raffles, games, etc. $5 (<12 free);
($8 w/pin). f&d.  Doc or Carol @ 310/371-2348 or
Dieter @ 310/531-8942.
May 16		Blue Knights 5th Annual Benefit Ride. Starts @ Cycle Parts
West, San Diego. Harold Crosby @ 619/753-7827.
May 19 		Run For The Wall. LA to DC. Lv (8A? or) 9A from TA Truck
Stop where I10 & I15 meet in Ontario. Camping & Motels
available at each night's stop. Rides ends up at the
Vietnam Veterans Memorial Wall in Washington, DC.
100,000 bikes are expected to meet there.  Call
Rod Coffey @ 310/425-3145.  Alt Info: send $1 p/h to
John Anderson, 5920 Deer Creek Way, Paso Robles,
CA  93446 or call him @ 805/237-0790.
May 23		Long Beach MC Parts Exchange, LB Veterans Memorial Stadium.
310/323-9611.
May 28-31	US MC Jamboree. Tulare Cnty Fairgnds, Tulare. ride in
mc show, benefit poker run (sun), Mx, raffles, games.
starts noon on Friday. $23; $11 (15 & under); free for
6 & under. 918/542-5939; 502/622-4810; 805/822-8939;
310/492-9688; 909/825-3798; 602/425-6609.
May 29-31	Blazing Saddles Tour (SCMA). 818/789-9932.
May 30		Ariel Owners Club Annual Event. 3225 Greenfield Ave., LA.
Chuck Walton, 818/345-6532.
Jun 6		Fun in the Sun Ride (MMA #2). Bakersfield. 805/392-0546.
Jun 12-13	Class Act Tour
Jun 12-13	Silver Eagles Run. Palomar, San Diego. 619/569-7370.
Jun 20		Ventura Swap & Show by The Shop. @ Ventura Fairgnds.
805/656-6777.
Jun 20		3rd Annual Summer Solstice Poker Run & Pig Feed. (ABATE #9).
$15 ea/$25 couple (free if you join). Pig Roast, games,
raffles, Mx, swimming, 300 pins. s/in 8-10A @ Swallows Inn,
I5 & Ortega Hwy, San Juan Capistrano. Earl @ 714/496-3401;
Rick @ 714/548-3434.
Jun 25-27	MMA's Bike Fest '93 @ Mariposa Fairgrounds (Hwy 99
to Hwy 140E; go 38 miles). Mx, Camping Available;
trade show, f7d, games. $25 advance/$35 gate. info
& tix: 800/247-6246.
Jun 27		Hope House Benefit Run (SCMA). 805/581-3235.
Jul 4		Bike Show @ Accessories Unltd**
Jul 4		ABATE #6 Christmas in July. 619/569-7370.
Jul 11		Beach Ride 93 to benefit the Exceptional Children's
Foundation.
Jul 11		ABATE #8 Old Timers Poker Run. 714/998-5740.
Jul 16-19	4th Annual Unicoastal Ride and Joust.  Starts all over the
West Coast and goes to Pine Glen Campground (near Mammoth
Lakes) for a 2 or 3 day weekend of fun with the usenet
personalities your fond of flaming.  To get on the mail
list, contact joust-request@harley.tti.com .
Jul 18		Iron Horse Poker Run. 805/734-3401.
Jul 21		2nd Annual National Ride to Work Day.
Jul 23-25	Quaff M/C Mt. Palomar 17th Annual Overnighter @ La Jolla
Campgrounds. 714/352-0443.
Jul 25		5th Annual Summer Food Run. ABATE #19. 818/917-2243.
Jul 30		MC Swap Meet @ Orange County Fairgnds, Costa Mesa. $6.
714/364-0515.
Aug 1		Accessories Unltd** Ride
Aug 7		Hot August Nights Poker Run. 805/392-0546.
Aug 14-15	650 Tour (SCMA area B). 805/481-3482.
Aug 21-22	Song Dog Ranch Summer Rally. Overnight camping at this
famous motorcycle campground.  Classical Mx., All you can
eat or drink bbq dinner.  sunday bkfst. $40/person. reserve by
Aug 16. Song Dog Ranch, Rt 33, New Cuyama (N of Ojai).
805/766-2454.  (Keep trying this number).
Aug 22		Vets Benefit Run (TRAC A). 714/680-4667.
Aug 22		MMA Chicken Roast. Camarillo Park. 805/522-6557.
Sep 3-6		18th Annual 3 Flags Classic. Juarez, Mexico to
Southern Alberta, Canada. $110/person. received by
1/23/93. Frank Weed @ 714/879-9432. (or try 714/962-3150)
Sep 3-6		ABATE's Golden State Rendezvous. 10A Fri-noon Mon @
Mid State Fairgrounds, Paso Robles.
Sep 12		Iron Horse Rocket Run. 805/734-3401.
Sep 19		Black Gold Poker Run (Taft MC). 805/765-5085.
Sep 24-26	Redwood Run #2.
Sep 25-27	Bonanza Tour (Shamrocks).  805/272-9865.
Oct 1		MC Swap Meet @ Orange County Fairgnds, Costa Mesa. $6.
714/364-0515.
Oct 9-10	Song Dog Ranch Fall Rally. Overnight camping at this
famous motorcycle campground.  Mx., All you can
eat or drink bbq dinner.  sunday bkfst. $40/person. reserve
by Oct 4. Song Dog Ranch, Rt 33, New Cuyama (N of Ojai).
805/766-2454.  (Keep trying this number).
Oct 16-17	SCMA Grand Tour 805/269-1399.
Oct 22-24	Easyriders Motorcycle Rodeo. Antelope Valley Fairgrounds
(Hwy. 14 N. to Ave, I exit, right), Lancaster.
Oct 23-24	22nd Annual Griffith Park Sidecar Rally. Mineral Springs
area of the Park. Doug Bingham @ 818/780-5542.
Oct 24		MRA Chap "E" Ride
Nov 7		Love Ride 10 to benefit the Muscular Dystrophy Assoc.
Sponsored by Glendale H-D, 3717 San Fernando Rd,
Glendale.  818/246-5618.
Nov 14		Toy-Key Run (SCMA Area B). 805/481-3482.
Nov 14		MC Awareness Day (ABATE 1)
Nov 21		Accessories Unlimited** Posse Ride.
Dec 3		MC Swap Meet @ Orange County Fairgnds, Costa Mesa. $6.
714/364-0515.
Dec 12		Hathaway Children's Center Toy Run
-------------------- ONGOING EVENTS & NOTICES ----------------------------
HD Swap Meet & Show. Santa Fe Springs Drive-in, 13963 Alondra Blvd.
5:30-10:30P, 3rd Thurs ea mo. $5 fee. 310/944-4268.
note that in April, it was moved to 4/8.
Free seminars every Saturday @ Luftmeister, Inc., Long Beach.  310/539-6420.
Tune in Centerstand, a radio program for motorcyclists every Saturday from
1:30-2PM on KPFK, 90.7 FM
Parents w/out Partners MC Club meets 2nd Sat @ 8A at Cocos, Brea Rd & Colina
Road in Diamondbar.  909/595-3785
A new mc club for women only is forming: Diamonds and Pearls.  818/706-3164
MARC (Motorcycling Amateur Radio Club) meets 8A, 2nd Sat @ Denny's, 2314
E 17th St, Santa Ana. Net @ 8P Weds on 146.985- . Info: Ray or Bonnie
@ 714/551-1036.
------------------- ** ADDRESSES -----------------------------------------
Follows Camp -- From 210 or 10 Fwy, go North on Azusa Ave (Hwy 39) To East
Fork Rd.  Go 2.5 miles East to camp (hint: look for bridge).
Accessories Unlimited -- 24508 Lyons Ave (at I5), Newhall. 805/255-6522.
Cycle Parts West -- 13682 Beach Blvd, Westminister.
From: prahren@pb2esac.uucp (Peter Ahrens)
Subject: BMWMOA Controversy
Summary: Request for _brief_ overview
Keywords: BMWMOA Board, history of contretemps
Organization: Pacific*Bell ESAC, Oakland, CA.
Distribution: usa
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In article <1095@rider.UUCP> joe@rider.cactus.org writes:
>>vech@Ra.MsState.Edu (Craig A. Vechorik) writes:
>>...good ol boys that have been there too long.
>
> [...] while I agree with you that the current
>board is garbage, voting you in would simply be trading one form of trash
>for another...do the opponents of your selections get equal time...?
Yo' Joe, why don't you post what you really think?
If there are any rational BMWMOA folks left out there, may the rest of
us please have a brief summary of the current state of affairs in your
esteemed organization, together with an historical outline of how you
got to the above contretemps?
Points will be deducted for shouting or bulging veins in the temple area.
-Pete Ahrens
From: keithh@bnr.ca (Keith Hanlan)
Subject: Re: GGRRRrrr!! Cages double-parking motorcycles pisses me off!
Nntp-Posting-Host: bcarh10f
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa
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In article <lsp0mgINNud@cash.cs.utexas.edu> mcguire@cs.utexas.edu (Tommy Marcus McGuire) writes:
>However, this has nothing to do with motorcycling, unless you consider
>the VW a bike.
However, this has nothing to do with motorcycling, unless you consider
the Amazona a bike.
Keith Hanlan  KeithH@bnr.ca  Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada 613-765-4645
From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar)
Subject: Re: BMW battery
Nntp-Posting-Host: bmdhh299
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK
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Keith Hanlan, on the Wed, 14 Apr 1993 19:20:14 GMT wibbled:
: In article <1993Apr14.181352.6246@ra.msstate.edu> vech@Ra.MsState.Edu (Craig A. Vechorik) writes:
: >If I remember correctly, the reason that BMW's come with those expensive,
: >and relatively worthless, short lived Varda batteries, is 'cause BMW owns
: >a controling interest in that battery Manufacturer.
: What's wrong with the BMW battery? I've never had problems and I know
: numerous people that are still using the original battery in there
: 8-10 year old beemers.
Kay, my '86 K100RS still has her original battery in.  She's OK
--
Nick (the Sufficiently Well Charged Biker)   DoD 1069   Concise Oxford
M'Lud.
___	___   ___   ___
{"_"} {"_"} {"_"} {"_"}	  Nick Pettefar, Contractor@Large.
' `	` '   ' `   ` '		  Currently incarcerated at BNR,
___	___   ___   ___		  Maidenhead, The United Kingdom.
|"_"| |"_"| |"_"| |"_"|	  npet@bnr.ca  '86 BMW K100RS "Kay"
` '	' `   ` '   ' `		  Pres. PBWASOH(UK),  BS 0002
.
_ _		_  __ .
/ ~ ~~\   |  / ~~  \
|_______|    [_______|
_:_
|___|
From: jearls@tekig6.PEN.TEK.COM (Jeffrey David Earls)
Subject: Re: Why are there no turbocharged motorbikes in North America?
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.
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In article <C5J9n2.Hy0@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> davide@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Dave Edmondson) writes:
>
>As an extreme example the CX500 Turbo cost as much as a Mike Hailwood Replica
>Ducati.
So.  If I can scrounge up a good looking CX500 Turbo, will someone
trade me an MHR Duc for it?
===============================================================================
|Jeff Earls  jearls@tekig6.pen.tek.com | DoD #0530  KotTG  KotSPT   WMTC  AMA |
|'89 FJ1200 - Millennium Falcon        |   Squid Factor: 16.99                |
|'93 KLR650 - Thumpy                   | "Hit the button Chewie!"... Han Solo |
"There ain't nothin' like a 115 mph sweeper in the Idaho rockies." - me
From: davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS)
Subject: Re: uh, der, whassa deltabox?
Organization: Tektronix - Colorado Data Systems, Englewood, CO
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In article <5227@unisql.UUCP> ray@unisql.UUCP (Ray Shea) writes:
>
>Can someone tell me what a deltabox frame is, and what relation that has,
>if any, to the frame on my Hawk GT?  That way, next time some guy comes up
>to me in some parking lot and sez "hey, dude, nice bike, is that a deltabox
>frame on there?" I can say something besides "duh, er, huh?"
Deltabox (tm) is a registered trademark of Yamaha, used to describe
their aluminum perimeter frame design, used on the FZR400 and FZR1000.
In cross-section, it has a five-sided appearance, so it probably really
should be called a "Pentabox".
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| Dave Tharp                      | DoD #0751   | "You can't wear out       |
| davet@interceptor.CDS.TEK.COM   | MRA #151    |   an Indian Scout,        |
| '88 K75S  '48 Indian Chief      | AHRMA #751  |  Or its brother the Chief.|
| '75 R90S(#151) '72 TR-2B(#751)  | AMA #524737 |  They're built like rocks |
| '65 R50/2/Velorex  '57 NSU Max  |             |   to take the knocks,     |
|       1936 BMW R12              | (Compulsive | It's the Harleys that     |
| My employer has no idea.        |   Joiner)   |   give you grief."        |
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From: davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS)
Subject: Re: Motorcycle Security
Keywords: nothing will stop a really determined thief
Organization: Tektronix - Colorado Data Systems, Englewood, CO
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I saw his bike parked in front of a bar a few weeks later without the
dog, and I wandered in to find out what had happened.
He said, "Somebody stole m' damn dog!".  They left the Harley behind.
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| Dave Tharp                      | DoD #0751   | "You can't wear out       |
| davet@interceptor.CDS.TEK.COM   | MRA #151    |   an Indian Scout,        |
| '88 K75S  '48 Indian Chief      | AHRMA #751  |  Or its brother the Chief.|
| '75 R90S(#151) '72 TR-2B(#751)  | AMA #524737 |  They're built like rocks |
| '65 R50/2/Velorex  '57 NSU Max  |             |   to take the knocks,     |
|       1936 BMW R12              | (Compulsive | It's the Harleys that     |
| My employer has no idea.        |   Joiner)   |   give you grief."        |
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From: thompson@apple.com (Paul Thompson)
Subject: Tickets - advice is worth what you paid
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc., Cupertino, California
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Distribution: ca
I can't think of another subject that generates as much contradictory
advice as traffic laws and their enforcement.  Everybody's got an
opinion and is dead certain they are right.  Yet acurate information is
extremely difficult to come by.  The DMV doesn't know.  Cops don't
know.  Your traffic school instructor doesn't know.  The vehicle code
only tells part of the story.  Judges choose to interpret the laws in a
wide variety of ways.  And the public at large?  I seldom hear any
advice that doesn't disagree with something I've experienced.
If you don't believe me I suggest you get a copy of the vehicle code,
study it, and then sit in on a day or two of court and see what really
happens.  Read "Fight Your Ticket" too, but don't miss the little
section at the end where it says your chances are lousy and you're
basically screwed.
As you may have guessed, I'm pretty down on the system here in
California.  I've carefully prepared for court, bringing witnesses and
revealing serious holes in the officer's story, only to be slapped with
the maximum allowable fine (plus assessments of over 100%) - the
message clear that the judge does not appreciate John Q Public trying
his own cases.
So here's my advice when you find yourself with a ticket:  Take traffic
school if you can.  If it's a serious matter get a lawyer.  A lawyer
can present the exact same case as you, the difference is the
sentence.
--
Paul Thompson    Apple Computer
From: essbaum@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Alexander Essbaum)
Subject: Re: ++BIKE SOLD OVER NET 600 MILES AWAY!++
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
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Organization: IBM Rochester
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In article <6130331@hplsla.hp.com>, kens@hplsla.hp.com (Ken Snyder) writes:
|>
|> > Any other bikes sold long distances out there...I'd love to hear about
|> it!
|>
|> I bought my VFR750 from a guy in San Jose via the net.  That's 825 miles
|> according to my odometer!
|>
mark andy (living in pittsburgh) bought his RZ350 from a dude in
massachusetts (or was it connecticut?).
axel
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Subject: Re: Observation re: helmets
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
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Distribution: world
Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com
In article 211353@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com, maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:
>
> The question for the day is re: passenger helmets, if you don't know for
>certain who's gonna ride with you (like say you meet them at a .... church
>meeting, yeah, that's the ticket)... What are some guidelines? Should I just
>pick up another shoei in my size to have a backup helmet (XL), or should I
>maybe get an inexpensive one of a smaller size to accomodate my likely
>passenger?
If your primary concern is protecting the passenger in the event of a
crash, have him or her fitted for a helmet that is their size.  If your
primary concern is complying with stupid helmet laws, carry a real big
spare (you can put a big or small head in a big helmet, but not in a
small one).
---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
(The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
From: sturges@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Richard Sturges)
Subject: Re: DOT Tire date codes
Reply-To: sturges@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Richard Sturges)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD
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In rec.motorcycles, cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes:
>To the nedod mailing list, and Jack Tavares suggested I check out
>how old the tire is as one tactic for getting it replaced.  Does
>anyone have the file on how to read the date codes handy?
It's quite simple; the code is the week and year of manufacture.
<================================================>
/        Rich Sturges           (h) 703-536-4443   \
/    NSWC - Carderock Division   (w) 301-227-1670    \
/  "I speak for no one else, and listen to the same."  \
<========================================================>
From: cervi@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Mark Cervi)
Subject: Re: ++BIKE SOLD OVER NET 600 MILES AWAY!++
Organization: NSWC, Carderock Division, Annapolis, MD, USA
Lines: 15
In article <6130331@hplsla.hp.com> kens@hplsla.hp.com (Ken Snyder) writes:
>
>> Any other bikes sold long distances out there...I'd love to hear about
>it!
I bought my Moto Guzzi from a Univ of Va grad student in Charlottesville
last spring.
Mark Cervi, cervi@oasys.dt.navy.mil, (w) 410-267-2147
DoD #0603  MGNOC #12998  '87 Moto Guzzi SP-II
"What kinda bikes that?" A Moto Guzzi. "What's that?" Its Italian.
--
Mark Cervi, CARDEROCKDIV, NSWC Code 852, Annapolis, MD  21402
cervi@oasys.dt.navy.mil, (w) 410-267-2147
From: mmanning@icomsim.com (Michael Manning)
Subject: Re: Bikes And Contacts
Organization: Icom Simulations
Lines: 30
In article <1993Apr13.163450.1@skcla.monsanto.com>
mpmena@skcla.monsanto.com writes:
> Michael (Manning)...Must be that blockhead of yours....the gargoyles
> are the ONLY thing that work for me! ;*}
>
>
> Michael (Menard)
>
> P.S. When you showin' up at Highland House? We'll compare sunglasses...
Let's see how the weather is Saturday or Sunday. It sucks
today. What time is good?
You're welcome to give any of the ones I have a try.  As
for the gargoyles, if you want mine you can have 'em.  I
think the bridge of my nose holds them too far from my face.
Same deal for the two of my friends who tried them. For
people who use them with a full face helmet, all bets are
off. Sorry if they fit you well and took my complaint
personally. Yes the Oakleys are much more desirable squid
attire. Also the gargoyles aren't that ugly, even in my
opinion, or I wouldn't have tried them.
--
Michael Manning
mmanning@icomsim.com (NeXTMail accepted.)
`92 FLSTF FatBoy
`92 Ducati 900SS
From: mmanning@icomsim.com (Michael Manning)
Subject: Re: Bikes, Contacts Lenses & Radial Keratotomy
Organization: Icom Simulations
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In article <C5FI2H.Ew8@rice.edu>  (jcn@rice.edu) writes:
> > I was going to try radial keratotomy, but they want over $2,000 per
> > eye!
> > That's a lot of contact lenses and sunglasses!
> >
>
> And a lot of money if they make one tiny mistake ;-O
>
> Jeff Nichols
Also if they don't get it exactly right or your eyes change
again, contacts to correct for it are out of the question.
This is due to the strange conical shape your cornea takes
after the surgery.
--
Michael Manning
mmanning@icomsim.com (NeXTMail accepted.)
`92 FLSTF FatBoy
`92 Ducati 900SS
From: markb@wc.novell.com (M. Burnham)
Subject: Re: Ducati 400 opinions wanted
Organization: Novell Inc.
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In article <1qhm02$mbs@news.ysu.edu> Albion H. Bowers, ak954@yfn.ysu.edu
writes:
>Oh yeah, 12.10 at 108 mph in the quarter is such a slug.  Come on, when was
>the last time you used your 750s max power peak?  I think maybe you should
>ride one first, before passing judgement, there is a lot more than just
>maximum acceleration.
I really didn't mean to imply that my Ninja was any better than a Duc.
I have to talked to a few Duc owners (750SS owners in particular) who
say that the power is something less than overwhelming.  That said,
I would love to have a 900SS.  I guess I should have been a bit more
specific.  If you have something that weighs that same as the 750, go
for the extra cubes.
I think that fact that I own a GTV-6 shows that I don't care about maximum
power (it's no slug though) to the exclusion of everything else.  The note
and the handling are more important to me.  I just bought a Ninja because I
couldn't afford a Duc.
Didn't mean to ruffle any feathers, I'll probably be getting a 900SS next
year...
- Mark
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Alfa Romeo GTV-6                             '90 Ninja 750
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From: davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS)
Subject: Re: Rejetting carbs..
Keywords: air pump
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In article <jburney.734756216@hydra.nodc.noaa.gov> jburney@hydra.nodc.noaa.gov (Jeff Burney) writes:
>
>If we are only talking about 4-stroke (I think I can understand exhaust
>pulse affect in a 2-stroke), the intake valve is closed on the
>exhaust stroke and the gas is pushed out by the cyclinder.  I guess
>there is some gas compression that may affect the amount pushed out
>but the limiting factor seems to be the header pipe and not the
>canister.  Meaning: would gases "so far" down the line (the canister)
>really have an effect on the exhaust stroke?  Do the gases really
>compress that much?
For discussion purposes, I will ignore dynamic effects like pulses
in the exhaust pipe, and try to paint a useful mental picture.
1.  Unless an engine is supercharged, the pressure available to force
air into the intake tract is _atmospheric_.  At the time the intake
valve is opened, the pressure differential available to move air is only
the difference between the combustion chamber pressure (left over after
the exhaust stroke) and atmospheric.  As the piston decends on the
intake stroke, combustion chamber pressure is decreased, allowing
atmospheric pressure to move more air into the intake tract.  At no time
does the pressure ever become "negative", or even approach a good
vacuum.
2.  At the time of the exhaust valve closing, the pressure in the
combustion chamber is essentially the pressure of the exhaust system up
to the first major flow restriction (the muffler).  Note that the volume
of gas that must flow through the exhaust is much larger than the volume
that must flow through the intake, because of the temperature
difference and the products of combustion.
3.  In the last 6-8 years, the Japanese manufacturers have started
paying attention to exhaust and intake tuning, in pursuit of almighty
horsepower.  At this point in time, on high-performance bikes,
substitution of an aftermarket free-flow air filter will have almost
zero affect on performance, because the stock intake system flows very
well anyway.  Substitution of an aftermarket exhaust system will make
very little difference, unless (in general) the new exhaust system is
_much_ louder than the stocker.
4.  On older bikes,  exhaust back-pressure was the dominating factor.
If free-flowing air filters were substituted, very little difference
was noted, unless a free-flowing exhaust system was installed as well.
5.  In general, an engine can be visualized as an air pump.  At any
given RPM, anything that will cause the engine to pump more air, be it
on the intake or exhaust side, will cause it to produce more horsepower.
Pumping more air will require recalibration (rejetting) of the carburetor.
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| davet@interceptor.CDS.TEK.COM   | MRA #151    |   an Indian Scout,        |
| '88 K75S  '48 Indian Chief      | AHRMA #751  |  Or its brother the Chief.|
| '75 R90S(#151) '72 TR-2B(#751)  | AMA #524737 |  They're built like rocks |
| '65 R50/2/Velorex  '57 NSU Max  |             |   to take the knocks,     |
|       1936 BMW R12              | (Compulsive | It's the Harleys that     |
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From: erick@andr.UB.com (Eric A. Kilpatrick)
Subject: Re: Drinking and Riding
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Personally, I follow the no alcohol rule when I'm on a bike.  My view is that you have to be in such a high degree of control that any alcohol could be potentially hazardous to my bike!  If I get hurt it's my own fault, but I don't want to wreck my Katana.  I developed this philosophy from an impromptu *experiment*.  I had one beer at 6:00 in the evening and had volleyball practice at 7:00.  I wasn't even close to leagle intoxication, but I couldn't perform even the most basic things until 8:30!  This made
me think about how I viewed alcohol and intoxication.  You may seem fine, but your reactions may be affected such that you'll be unable to recover from hitting a rock or even just a gust of wind.  I greatly enjoy social drinking but, for me, it just doesn't mix with riding.
Max enjoyment!
Eric
From: jburnside@ll.mit.edu (jamie w burnside)
Subject: GOT MY BIKE! (was Wanted: Advice on CB900C Purchase)
Keywords: CB900C, purchase, advice
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Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
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--
Thanks to all of you who gave advice on the CB900 Custom.
As recommended, I had the bike compression tested.  Compression was
a little low, but very even across the four cylinders (+/- 5 psi).  They
said that it was tested a little cold, so that would explain the low
numbers (around 90).  Does this sound right?  Otherwise, the bike looked
great.  No signs of road rash, and no rust.  This bike looks great!
It is now in the shop getting tuned and new tires.
I am opting for the Metzler ME55 and ME33 tires (thanks to those
who posted this other thread).  This bike is _BIG_ compared to my other bikes.
( Sure is alot harder to load on a trailer than the KDX200 was. )  I should
be road legal tomorrow.  I am ignoring the afforementioned concerns about
the transmission and taking my chances.
Being a reletively new reader, I am quite impressed with all the usefull
info available on this newsgroup.  I would ask how to get my own DoD number,
but I'll probably be too busy riding ;-).
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From: meb4593@galileo.rtn.ca.boeing.com (Michael Bain)
Subject: What about No-Fault?
Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplane Group, Seattle
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Insurance companies sure seem to go for No-Fault coverage.  Since the
majority of accidents are the cagers' fault, doesn't this imply that we
would have to pay much higher rates under a No-Fault system?
With a cars-only system, it seems to make sense on the surface: take the
legal costs out of the system.  But it looks like motorcyclists would
get screwed.
--
Michael "Chuck" Bain                       meb4593@icdfs.ca.boeing.com
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"Semi-Loud Pipes Save Lives"
From: sturges@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Richard Sturges)
Subject: Re: Rejetting carbs..
Reply-To: sturges@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Richard Sturges)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD
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Now, I am jumping into the middle of this thread so I may not know
what y'all been talking about, but I have a few comments:
In rec.motorcycles, davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS) writes:
>1.  Unless an engine is supercharged, the pressure available to force
>air into the intake tract is _atmospheric_.  At the time the intake
>valve is opened, the pressure differential available to move air is only
>the difference between the combustion chamber pressure (left over after
>the exhaust stroke) and atmospheric.  As the piston decends on the
>intake stroke, combustion chamber pressure is decreased, allowing
>atmospheric pressure to move more air into the intake tract.  At no time
>does the pressure ever become "negative", or even approach a good
>vacuum.
There are a number of other factors that are very important, the three
biggest being air velocity, air momentum and shock waves.
Velocity stacks have been used for years and are now being used inside
of stock airboxes on a number of bikes.  At a tuned engine rpm, the
stacks can greatly increase the speed, and thus momentum of the air
rushing in.
Air momentum is critical in getting good air intake: the momentum of
the air stack outside the combustion chamber will force its way inside
long after the piston has begun its compressive up-stroke.
Shock waves are used to induce air intake and to prevent fresh air from
escaping out the exzhaust ports.  Shock waves are the product of expansion
chambers or any other means of presenting a 'wall' (opening or closing)
to the air in motion.  Beyond this I am lost in the mystery of how they
design for shock waves.
<================================================>
/        Rich Sturges           (h) 703-536-4443   \
/    NSWC - Carderock Division   (w) 301-227-1670    \
/  "I speak for no one else, and listen to the same."  \
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From: fist@iscp.bellcore.com (Richard Pierson)
Subject: Re: Observation re: helmets
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In article <211353@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com>,
maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:
|>
|>  Grf. Dropped my Shoei RF-200 off the seat of my bike while trying to
|> rock
|> it onto it's centerstand, chipped the heck out of the paint on it...
|>
|>  So I cheerfully spent $.59 on a bottle of testor's model paint and
|> repainted the scratches and chips for 20 minutes.
|>
|>  The question for the day is re: passenger helmets, if you don't know
|> for
|> certain who's gonna ride with you (like say you meet them at a ....
|> church
|> meeting, yeah, that's the ticket)... What are some guidelines? Should
|> I just
|> pick up another shoei in my size to have a backup helmet (XL), or
|> should I
|> maybe get an inexpensive one of a smaller size to accomodate my
|> likely
|> passenger?
My rule of thumb is "Don't give rides to people that wear
a bigger helmet than you", unless your taste runs that way,
or they are family.friends.
Gee,  reminds me of a *dancer* in Hull, just over the river
from Ottowa, that I saw a few years ago, for her I would a
bought a bigger helmet (or even her own bike) or anything
else she wanted ;->
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#include <std.disclaimer> My opinions are my own!!!
I Don't shop in malls, I BUY my jeans, jackets and ammo
in the same store.
From: fist@iscp.bellcore.com (Richard Pierson)
Subject: Re: GGRRRrrr!! Cages double-parking motorcycles pisses me off!
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In article <1993Apr15.135232.24454@dsd.es.com>, bgardner@pebbles.es.com
(Blaine Gardner) writes:
|> In article <34211@castle.ed.ac.uk> wbg@festival.ed.ac.uk (W Geake)
|> writes:
|> >
|> >The Banana one isn't, IMHO.  Ultra sticky labels printed with your
|> >favourite curse are good - even our local hospitals use them instead
|> of
|> >wheel clamps, putting one (about A5 size) on each window of the
|> cage.
|>
|> So what's your local hospital's favorite curse?
|>
"May your skin stick to a frozen bed pan"
"May your apple juice be mistakenly drawn from the urinalisys
lab"
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I Don't shop in malls, I BUY my jeans, jackets and ammo
in the same store.
From: fist@iscp.bellcore.com (Richard Pierson)
Subject: Re: Contact person for boots
Keywords: combat
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In article <1993Apr15.132316.4054@news.columbia.edu>,
rdc8@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Robert D Castro) writes:
|> Would anyone out there in DoDland be able to help me out in giving
|> me
|> a contact to purchase a pair of military air-borne combat boots (9
|> 1/2
|> D in size).  These boots (so I have read here on rec.moto) are calf
|> height boots that use only velcro for enclosure.  I have phoned
|> around
|> and nobody seems to carry such an item.  I admit I have not gone
|> into
|> the deepest bowels of NYC yet for the search but I have made some
|> calls to several of the bigger army/navy type stores with no luck.
|>
|> Anyone out there know of a place that does carry such an item as
|> well
|> as does mail order?  Any help would be appreciated.
|>
Currently there are no "Velcro" jump boots as issue in
the military, there are two other kinds. One is made my
Cochran and sell for $85.00 in either the Clothing sales
store or US Cavalry (Price match at the Cav store) the
second co is also sold but somewhat cheaper in design.
Actually they don't care what you wear as long is they
are 10 eyelets high.
There is another boot called a "Tankers boot" this has
similar construction to a wellington boot except for the
boot shape and has straps that wrap around for tightness.
Nice boots
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#include <std.disclaimer> My opinions are my own!!!
I Don't shop in malls, I BUY my jeans, jackets and ammo
in the same store.
From: fist@iscp.bellcore.com (Richard Pierson)
Subject: Re: Should liability insurance be required?
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If I have one thing to say about "No Fault" it would be
"It isn't"
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#include <std.disclaimer> My opinions are my own!!!
I Don't shop in malls, I BUY my jeans, jackets and ammo
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From: fist@iscp.bellcore.com (Richard Pierson)
Subject: Re: Motorcycle Security
Keywords: nothing will stop a really determined thief
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In article <2500@tekgen.bv.tek.com>, davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com (Dave
Tharp CDS) writes:
|> I saw his bike parked in front of a bar a few weeks later without
|> the
|> dog, and I wandered in to find out what had happened.
|>
|> He said, "Somebody stole m' damn dog!".  They left the Harley
|> behind.
|>
Animal Rights people have been know to do that to other
"Bike riding dogs.cats and Racoons.
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#include <std.disclaimer> My opinions are my own!!!
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in the same store.
From: kens@lsid.hp.com (Ken Snyder)
Subject: Re: Should I buy a VRF 750?
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Mark N Bricker (mnb4738@cs.rit.edu) wrote:
: I am in the market for a bike and have recently found a 1990
: Honda VRF 750 at a dealership. The bike has about 47,000 miles
: and is around $4500. It has had two previous owners, both employees
: of the dealership who, I have been told, took very good care of the
: bike.
: I have two questions: 1) Is this too many miles for a bike? I know this
: would not be many miles for a car but I am unfamiliar with the life
: span of bikes. 2) Is this a decent price? I am also unfamilar with
: prices for used bikes. Is there a blue book for bikes like there is
: for cars?.
: Thanks for any advice you can give.
:                             --Mark
--
Mark,
47k is not too many miles on a VFR750.  I sold my (well maintained)
'87 VFR700 with 52k miles on it and the engine was in mint condition.
All that the bike needed was steering head bearings and fork bushings
and seals.  The guy who bought it had a mechanic pull the valve covers
to look at the top end, do a compression check etc.  He confirmed it was
mint.
As for price, $4500 seems a little steep.  I bought my '90 with 12k
miles on it a year ago (and in absolutely cherry condition) for $4800.
There is a bluebook, ask your bank or credit union for the going price.
I've seen a couple of ads for VFR's in the $4500 dollar range.  They all
said low miles & mint condition but I didn't actually go look at them.
A VFR is a very sweet bike and will last you forever if you maintain
it at all.  One thing to look for, BTW, is a soft front end.  If my
VFR is any indication, at 12k miles the fork springs were totally shot.
Progressive springs ($55) fixed it right up.
Good luck,
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From: kens@lsid.hp.com (Ken Snyder)
Subject: Re: Should I buy a VRF 750?
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Mark N Bricker (mnb4738@cs.rit.edu) wrote:
: I am in the market for a bike and have recently found a 1990
: Honda VRF 750 at a dealership. The bike has about 47,000 miles
: and is around $4500. It has had two previous owners, both employees
: of the dealership who, I have been told, took very good care of the
: bike.
: I have two questions: 1) Is this too many miles for a bike? I know this
: would not be many miles for a car but I am unfamiliar with the life
: span of bikes. 2) Is this a decent price? I am also unfamilar with
: prices for used bikes. Is there a blue book for bikes like there is
: for cars?.
: Thanks for any advice you can give.
:                             --Mark
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From: kens@lsid.hp.com (Ken Snyder)
Subject: Re: GGRRRrrr!!  Cages double-parking motorcycles pisses me off!
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Reading all you folks things to do to illegally parked cars made me
wonder who's going to carry cinder blocks on a bike(?!?!?) or is
ready to do serious damage (key carvings etc.) to a cage.  Then I
had an idea--chain lube isn't just for chain's anymore!!!  It seems
more reasonable to me, no permanent damage but lots of work to get
off!  (Don't ask me how I know :)  Use it anywhere, the windshield,
the door handles, in the keyhole, etc.  What a nasty mood I'm in.
It's raining again...
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From: ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant)
Subject: Re: Bikes vs. Horses (was Re: insect impacts f
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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Reply-To: ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant)
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In a previous article, npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar) says:
>Jonathan E. Quist, on the Thu, 15 Apr 1993 14:26:42 GMT wibbled:
>: In article <txd.734810267@Able.MKT.3Com.Com> txd@ESD.3Com.COM (Tom Dietrich) writes:
>: >>In a previous article, egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) says:
>
>: [lots of things, none of which are quoted here]
>
>The nice thing about horses though, is that if they break down in the middle of
>nowhere, you can eat them.
And they're rather tasty.
>  Fuel's a bit cheaper, too.
>
Per gallon (bushel) perhaps. Unfortunately they eat the same amount
every day no matter how much you ride them. And if you don't fuel them they
die. On an annual basis, I spend much less on bike stuff than Amy the Wonder
Wife does on horse stuff. She has two horses, I've got umm, lesseee, 11 bikes.
I ride constantly, she rides four or five times a week. Even if you count
insurance and the cost of the garage I built, I'm getting off cheaper than
she is. And having more fun (IMHO).
>
>
--
Go fast. Take chances.
Mike S.
From: ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau)
Subject: Re: more DoD paraphernali
Reply-To: ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau)
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JS>From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford)
JS>In article <1pppnrINNitg@cronkite.Central.Sun.COM>,
JS>doc@webrider.central.sun.com (Steve Bunis) wrote:
JS>>
JS>> How about a decal of thicker vinyl?
JS>  How about a Geeky temporary tatoo?  I mean, why should the
JS>  RUBs be exempt from a little razzing.
That's sick! I want!
You make 'em up, I promise to order. I wannabe Badtothebone!
The cheesy "Live to Ride" eagles are sitting on my shelf, waiting for
the big ride down the coast. (It now looks like we may hit points
farther south than expected. How do I get in contact with Bay Area
Denizens? Replies to address below. Me n' Charlie will be along in early
or mid May.)
Seriously. I like the idea of temporary Geekys (Geekies? Geekae?
Geekii?). It fits the whole DoD image: it sounds bad, but it's really
worse.
Ryan Cousinetc.|1982 Yamaha Vision XZ550 -Black Pig of Inverness|Live to Ride
KotRB          |1958 AJS 500 C/S -King Rat                      |to Work to
DoD# 0863      |I'd be a squid if I could afford the bike...    |Flame to
ryan.cousineau@compdyn.questor.org  |   Vancouver, BC, Canada   |Live . . .
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From: ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau)
Subject: Re: Motorcycle Courier (S
Reply-To: ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau)
Distribution: world
Organization: Computer Dynamics-Vancouver B.C.-(604)986-9937 (604)255-9937
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JL-NS>Subject: Re: Motorcycle Courier (Summer Job)
I'd like to thank everyone who replied. I will probably start looking in
earnest after May, when I return from my trip down the Pacific Coast
(the geographical feature, not the bike).
Ryan Cousinetc.|1982 Yamaha Vision XZ550 -Black Pig of Inverness|Live to Ride
KotRB          |1958 AJS 500 C/S -King Rat                      |to Work to
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From: shz@mare.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude)
Subject: Re: Live Free, but Quietly, or Die
Organization: Office of 'Tude Licensing
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In article <1qegpf$d0i@sixgun.East.Sun.COM>, egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:
> I know it sounds ludicrous for a biker to advocate restrictions on
> biking in a biking forum,
Don't you mean "former motorcyclist?"
- Roid
From: shz@mare.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude)
Subject: Re: Riceburner Respect
Organization: Office of 'Tude Licensing
Nntp-Posting-Host: binky
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In article <1993Apr14.190210.8996@megatek.com>, randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis) writes:
> |The rider (pilot?)
>
>   I'm happy I've had such an effect on your choice of words, Seth.. :-)
:-)
T'was a time when I could get a respectable response with a posting like that.
Randy's post doesn't count 'cause he saw the dearth of responses and didn't
want me to feel ignored (thanks Randy!).
I was curious about this DoD thing.  How do I get a number?  (:-{)}
- Roid
From: shz@mare.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude)
Subject: Re: Riceburner Respect
Organization: Office of 'Tude Licensing
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In article <oXZ12B1w164w@cellar.org>, craig@cellar.org (Saint Craig) writes:
> No anyone who is a "true" rider with the real riding attitude will offer a
> wave, weather they are on a Harley or on a Honda or some other bike, inless
> they have a serious case of my bike is better than your and you're too low
> to be acknowleged. This you'll find is the case with most of the harley
> riders out here where I am, however I still give them a wave, and ride
> secure in the knowlege that I'm a better persob than they are.
Huh?
- Roid
From: rwf2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ROBERT WILLIAM FUSI)
Subject: Re: Recommendation for a front tire.
Organization: Lehigh University
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In article <C5HrxJ.ACE@unix.amherst.edu>, nrmendel@unix.amherst.edu (Nathaniel M
endell) writes:
>Ken Orr (orr@epcot.spdc.ti.com) wrote:
>: In article <C5G7Hv.Cs@unix.amherst.edu> nrmendel@unix.amherst.edu (Nathaniel
Mendell) writes:
>: >Steve Mansfield (smm@rodan.UU.NET) wrote:
>: >: Yes, my front tire is all but dead.  It has minimal tread left, so it's
>: >: time for a new one.  Any recommendations on a good tire in front?  I'm
>: >: riding on an almost brand new ME55A in back.
>: >:
>: >: Steve Mansfield       | The system we've learned says we're equal under la
w
>: >: smm@uunet.uu.net    | But the streets are reality, the weak and poor will
fall
>: >: 1983 Suzuki GS550E  | Let's tip the power balance and tear down the crown
>: >: DoD# 1718     | Educate the masses, we'll burn the White House down.
>: >: Queensryche           -       Speak the Word.
>: >
>: >The best thing is to match front and back, no? Given that the 99A ("Perfect"
?)
>: >is such a good tire, just go with that one
>: >
>:     The Me99a perfect is a rear. The match for the front is the Me33 laser.
>:
>:     DOD #306                                     K.O.
>:   AMA #615088                             Orr@epcot.spdc.ti.com
>
>Yeah, what *he* said....<:)
>
>Nathaniel
>ZX-10
>DoD 0812
>AM
>Yes, you definitely need a front tire on a motorcycle....<grin>
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From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Subject: Re: How to act in front of traffic jerks
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View
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In article <1qmvutINN3he@lynx.unm.edu> galway@chtm.eece.unm.edu (Denis McKeon) writes:
}In heavy traffic I slow down a bit, mostly so I have more buffer zone in
}front to balance the minimal buffer behind, but I also often find that the
}jerk behind will notice traffic moving faster in other lanes, switch
}into one of them, and pass me - which is fine, because then I can keep a
}better eye on the jerk from behind, while looking ahead, rather than
}from in front, while splitting my attention between ahead and the mirrors.
This is pretty damned complicated. I just make a "back off" motion with
my hand/arm, and the second or third time even the most braindead cager
backs off. If they don't back off then, I find a way to get the hell out
of there -- the cager is either psychotic, drunk, or just a complete
asshole. In any case, I don't want to be anywhere near, and especially
not in front.
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Curtis Jackson	   cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com	'91 Hawk GT	'81 Maxim 650
DoD#0721 KotB  '91 Black Lab mix "Studley Doright"  '92 Collie/Golden "George"
"There is no justification for taking away individuals' freedom
in the guise of public safety." -- Thomas Jefferson
From: bleve@hoggle2.uucp (Bennett Lee Leve)
Subject: Re: Choking Ninja Problem
In-Reply-To: starr@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu's message of 13 Apr 93 15:34:41 CST
Organization: Organized?? Surely you jest!
Lines: 22
In article <1993Apr13.153441.49118@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> starr@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>   I need help with my '85 ZX900A, I put Supertrapp slip-on's on it and
>   had the carbs re-jetted to match a set of K&N filters that replaced
>   the stock airbox.  Now I have a huge flat spot in the carburation at
>   about 5 thousand RPM in most any gear.  This is especially frustrating
>   on the highway, the bike likes to cruise at about 80mph which happens
>   to be 5,0000 RPM in sixth gear.  I've had it "tuned" and this doesn't
>   seem to help.  I am thinking about new carbs or the injection system
>   from a GPz 1100.  Does anyone have any suggestions for a fix besides
>   restoring it to stock?
>   Starr@kuhub.ukans.cc.edu	 the brain dead." -Ted Nugent
It sound like to me that your carbs are not jetted properly.
If you did it yourself, take it to a shop and get it done right.
If a shop did it, get your money back, and go to another shop.
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From: keller@hubble.ifa.hawaii.edu (Tim Keller)
Subject: airhorns on an FJ1100 review
Organization: Institute for Astronomy, Hawaii
Lines: 44
For those of you who are thinking about fiamms, you might also want to think
about airhorns. I just installed a set of Bosch air horns ordered from
Dennis Kirk (pg. 282 of the latest catalog) on my '85 FJ1100. They are rated
at 93db at 7 meters. I installed them using 10 gage wire from the battery to
the relay to the compressor to ground. My stock horn connectors fit the relay
pins just fine. I soldered the connections to the relay and compressor, and used
a crimp type battery connector and an inline 10amp fuse/connector from NAPA.
I installed the compressor just forward of the fuse box in the front
fairing by tie wrapping between the steering head frame and the black steel tube
frame used to support the front fairing. You have to remove the front fairing to
do this, but it fits outside of the frame but inside the fairing on the two
vertical supports just in front of the fuses. Depending how tight your fairing
follows the frame, you should be able to fit it somewhere in the fairing.
The compressor is about 2" in diameter and about 5" long.
The relay mounted on the front of the steering head frame (it is small
so there should be plenty of good places for it.
I found a perfect place for the horns that required only tie wraps to
mount. The horns fit inside the front fairing/frame and stick out on either side
just in front of the air scoops, but behind the turn signals. The back of the
horns point back towards the center of the bike and come real close to where
the gas tank connects to the front part of the frame. There is just enough
room to the outside to allow full lock to lock clearance, and there are nice
cut outs in the frame for the back of the horn to go into.
The short horn is even with the fairing, and the long one sticks out
about an inch or so, but it is really not that noticable unless you look
closely. They end up pointing down slightly and maybe 30 degrees from straight
ahead (perfect for those cagers trying to change lanes into you).
If you have any other questions about the mounting, email, and I can try
to explain better. If your bike is not red, then you may want to paint them
first.
How do they work you ask? They are very, very, very *LOUD*. They sound
more like a european sports car than a truck, but a vast improvement over stock.
I have used them at least daily since installing them, and the 10 amp fuse has
not blown yet (although, the duration of the horn blasts have been short).
I've repeatedly scared the shit out of my friends with them, even though
they know that I have the horns, they still jump. They are perfect for keeping
the pedestrians on the sidewalk.
The bottom line is they work, are loud enough to cause pain and suffering to
those stupid lane changing cages (as well as take a few years off their lives)
and are relatively easy to install on the FJ. YMMV.
-TJK
'85 FJ1100 with "GET OUT OF MY WAY" horns.
"That looks like a suit you'd fight a fire in" -comment about the Aerostich
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center
From: <U56673@uicvm.uic.edu>
Subject: buying advice needed
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I am looking for advice on buying a susuki GS1100E.  does anyone out there
know about any inherent flaws the bike may have or problems i should look
for?
what about insurance rates (is this bike blacklisted)?
also, as a person who has never ridden a motorcycle yet is buying a 1100
to start off with.... am I crazy?  I have been told by some people to start out
small.... and by others that i am lage enough to handle an 1100 right off from
the start (6'4" 210 pounds) because some others might be a tad bit small.
Oh yeah, one more question.  Anybody in the chicago area know of any good
instruction schools or programs where i could get aquanted before i just go
buy one and kill myself getting it home.
thanks,
brian
p.s. please email me direcly because i do not get much of a chance to read your
group...   thanks again.. :)
From: cam@castle.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm)
Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post
Organization: Edinburgh University
Lines: 36
In article <1993Apr16.175534.13478@rd.hydro.on.ca> jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:
>We all seem to be in agreement that there are two explanations for why
>one can use the handlebars to lean a moving motorcycle. The question is,
>is one of the effect dominant, and which one is it? The idea would be to
>design an experiment which would seaprate the two characteristics, and
>see which effect produces a similar result to the one with which those of
>us who have bikes are familiar.
As you point out, the experiments would be difficult. But we know
enough about the physics of the situation to do some calculations.
There are in fact three effects contributing to leaning the bike over
to begin a turn.
1. Gyro effect causing a torque which twists the bike over.
2. Contact patch having shifted to one side, causing bike to fall over.
3. Contact patch being accelerated to the side, causing a
torque which twists the bike over.
Take an average bike/rider, average bike wheel, and at speeds of 5,
15, and 50 mph (say) calculate how much twist of the bars would be
needed to produce (say) 20 degrees of lean in (say) 2 seconds by each
effect alone. My guess is that at slow speeds 2 is dominant, and at
high speeds 3 is dominant, and at all speeds 1 contributes not far off
bugger all, relatively speaking.
By the way, a similar problem is this: how does a runner who wants to
run round a corner get leaned into the corner fast? Is there a running
group where we could start "counter-footing" arguments and have them
all falling over as they tried to work out how they go round corners?
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Department of Artificial Intelligence,    Edinburgh University
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From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat)
Subject: Re: Kawasaki 440 AE for sale.
Organization: Express Access Online Communications USA
Lines: 6
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net
Included in thas  sale is a Cover  .  THe cover is not sold separately.
The trailer is not being sold.
pat
From: "Jae W. Chang" <jae+@CMU.EDU>
Subject: Info on Sport-Cruisers
Organization: Junior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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NNTP-Posting-Host: po4.andrew.cmu.edu
I'm looking for a sport-cruiser - factory installed fairings (
full/half ), hard saddle bags, 750cc and above, and all that and still
has that sporty look.
I particularly like the R100RS and K75 RT or S, or any of the K series
BMW bikes.
I was wondering if there are any other comparable type bikes being
produced by companies other than BMW.
Thanks for the info,
Jae
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From: daved@world.std.com (Dave T Dorfman)
Subject: Re: Boom! Dog attack!
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
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azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) writes:
>Better still, reverse this sequence, then hit the bugger under accelleration
>(to stabilise yourself). I hate things that attack me.
>If the dog thinks you have run away, it has established dominance over
>these funny noisy sheep things, and will attack every bike that comes
>along for the fun of it. If you can hurt the bugger, it learns that it
>is below bikes in the peck order, and you may have saved the life of a
>future biker, whose evasive action to avoid the dog might otherwise put
>him under a truck. Never avoid a dog for the dog's sake, only you're own.
I hate to  admit this but there does seem to be some sort of twisted logic
to this approach. It's the bikers against the world and the dogs are just
another worthless adversary. So remember to wear at least calf height leather
boots, ( in case the dog gets lucky and sinks his teeth into your
attacking foot) and go for the gusto, If that dog doesn't retreat from the
street with his tail between his legs next time you see it then you really
haven't done your bit for all your fellow bikers.
>This also applies in cages.
Sorry I can't go this far, A dog against and armored cage just doesn't
seem like a fair fight.
>If the dog is out of control, it is a menace to all road users, and no
>compunction should be felt if ensuring your safety means the destruction of
>it's. After all, it is forcing the game, not you.
after all it is a dog eat dog world
Dave
From: artc@world.std.com (Art Campbell)
Subject: More MOA stuff --- like the RA
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
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OK -- so we've got a hotly contested BMWOA election and some inept
leadership.
My question is the history of the BMW organization that lead to the
formation of the BMWRA. Was there something going on in the OA years
ago that precipitated the formation of two competing owner's groups?
Just to stave off flames: I'm a (relatively new) member of both groups
and besides a difference in the slickness of the magazines, it seems
the major difference is that the RA guys seem to have more fun. . .
Art
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DoD 358                                  _Real_ BMWs have just two wheels.
"... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
From: karen@angelo.amd.com (Karen Black)
Subject: Re: Happy Easter!
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Santa Clara, CA
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ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) writes:
>Nick Pettefar (npet@bnr.ca) wrote:
>: English cars:-
>
>: Rover, Reliant, Morgan, Bristol, Rolls Royce, etc.
>                  ^^^^^^
>   Talk about Harleys using old technology, these
>Morgan people *really* like to use old technology.
>I think their suspension design hasn't changed since
>they went from 3 wheels to 4 back in the '50s.  And it's
>not like they had reached the pinnacle of good design
>at that point either.
Well, if you want to pick on Morgan, why not attack its ash (wood)
frame or its hand-bent metal skin (just try and get a replacement :-)).
I thought the kingpost suspension was one of the Mog's better features.
Karen Black
From: mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (Mark Crispin)
Subject: dogs
Article-I.D.: Ikkoku-K.MS-C.735160298.1147902781.mrc
Organization: University of Washington
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I'm a biker and a dog-lover.
First and foremost, I want to mention some common sense.  If it's a choice
between injuring/killing a dog or getting yourself injured/killed, there is
only one rational decision.  Only the most insane animal rights kook would put
the dog first.
Second, it's useful to learn how to read a dog's body language.  How you react
to a dog who is chasing you because he thinks it's a game (and that you're
playing with him) is completely different from how you react to a dog which
has hostile intent.
Third, it's useful to learn how to present yourself to a dog.  Dogs are social
beasts, and recognize a domination/submission hierarchy.  To a dog, there are
two types of fellow-creatures; that which he dominates, and that which
dominate him.  You need to unambiguously represent yourself as being of the
latter class.  You are God: you are easily angered and your anger is terrible.
But God is also amused by one who properly submits to His dominance, and may
even on rare occasions dispense a kind word, a kind word, or even (oh joy oh
rapture unforeseen) A Dog Bisquit!
Now, how does that all relate to biking?  Well, first, it's a good idea to
assume that most dogs who chase motorcycles do so because they think it's a
game, and not out of overt hostility.  The MSF suggestion is a very good one;
when you see the dog coming, slow down so he determines a particular place of
interception.  Just before you (and he) reach that spot, punch the throttle so
that when he reaches it you're already long gone.  Dogs take a few seconds to
react to new input, and definitely cannot comprehend the acceleration that a
motorcycle is capable of.
With a hostile dog, or one which you repeatedly encounter, stronger measures
may be necessary.  This is the face off.  First -- and there is very important
-- make sure you NEVER face off a dog on his territory.  Face him off on the
road, not on his driveway.  If necessary, have a large stick, rolled up
newspaper, etc. (something the beast will understand is something that will
hurt him).  Stand your ground, then slowly advance.  Your mental attitude is
that you are VERY ANGRY and are going to dispense TERRIBLE PUNISHMENT.  The
larger the dog, the greater your anger.
Dogs will pick up anger, just as they can pick up fear.  And, since you and he
are not on his home territory, it may suddenly dawn on the dog that perhaps he
is on your territory, and that you are prepared to fight to the death.
Most dogs will decide that it is a good idea to retreat to their own territory
where there is at least a home advantage.  They'll also observe that you are
satisfied by that retreat (gesture of submission) and thus they have escaped
punishment.
The interesting thing about dogs is that body language communicates a great
deal to them.  The more effective you are at communicating body language, the
less you actually have to do.  After 7 years with my 93 pound beast, I've
learned a few tricks I think...
From: jyaruss@hamp.hampshire.edu
Subject: Misc./buying info. needed
Organization: Hampshire College
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NNTP-Posting-Host: hamp.hampshire.edu
Hi. I have been thinking about buying a Motorcycle or a while now and I have
some questions:
-Is there a buying guide for new/used motorcycles (that lists reliability, how
to go about the buying process, what to look for, etc...)?
-Is there a pricing guide for new/used motorcycles (Blue Book)?
Also
-Are there any books/articles on riding cross country, motorcycle camping, etc?
-Is there an idiots' guide to motorcycles?
ANY related information is helpful. Please respond directly to me.
Thanks a lot.
-Jordan
From: ljuca+@CS.CMU.EDU (Ljubomir Perkovic)
Subject: Draining battery
Nntp-Posting-Host: gs20.sp.cs.cmu.edu
Organization: Carnegie Mellon University
Lines: 12
I have a problem with the battery on my '83 Honda CB650 NightHawk.
Every week or so it is dead and I have to recharge it. I ride the bike
every day, the battery is new and the charging system was checked
thoroughly and it seems fine. My suspicion is that it is draining
somewhere.
Do you have any idea about what is causing this problem?
Please help since my mechanic and me are clueless!...
Ljubomir
From: chrispi@microsoft.com (Chris Pirih)
Subject: Re: Riceburner Respect
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Lines: 23
In rec.motorcycles klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger) writes:
;In <1993Apr15.192558.3314@icomsim.com> mmanning@icomsim.com (Michael Manning) writes:
;
;>Most people wave or return my wave when I'm on my Harley.
;>Other Harley riders seldom wave back to me when I'm on my
;>duck. Squids don't wave, or return waves ever, even to each
;>other, from what I can tell.
;
;  When we take a hand off the bars we fall down!
The problem is that Squids and BadAssBikers can't recognize
each other's waves.  When you're riding a cruiser, you "wave"
by lifting two or three fingers of the left hand, without
first removing that hand from the handlebar.  When you're
riding a crotch rocket, you lower the left hand to about
ankle level, palm forward, and call that a wave.
Generic bike riders actually seem to raise the hand entirely
off the handlebar and wave it around, so it's easy to tell
when they're waving.
---
chris
From: revco@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (John Boockholdt)
Subject: Re: Lane Sharing in CA
Organization: California State University, Sacramento
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In three years of riding in the cities of San Jose,
Santa Clara, and Sunnyvale I never came into any
conflict with the local police over my lane splitting
habits (all three of these cities were listed earlier
as being anti-splitting in one way or another).  I
can't say whether this was due to luck, police
kindness, or there not actually being any ordinances
against it in these cities, so I continue.....
RevCo
From: dean@fringe.rain.com (Dean Woodward)
Subject: Re: Boom! Dog attack!
Article-I.D.: fringe.oNV82B1w165w
Organization: Organization for Mass Confusion.
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ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau)  writes:
> My previous posting on dog attacks must have generated some bad karma or
> something. I've weathered attempted dog attacks before using the
> approved method: Slow down to screw up dog's triangulation of target,
> then take off and laugh at the dog, now far behind you. This time, it
> didn't work because I didn't have time. Riding up the hill leading to my
> house, I encountered a liver-and-white Springer Spaniel (no relation to
> the Springer Softail, or the Springer Spagthorpe, a close relation to
> the Spagthorpe Viking). Actually, the dog encountered me with intent to
> harm.
[interesting dog collision story deleted]
> What worries me about the accident is this: I don't think I could have
> prevented it except by traveling much slower than I was. This is not
> necessarily an unreasonable suggestion for a residential area, but I was
> riding around the speed limit. I worry about what would have happened if
> it had been a car instead of a dog, but I console myself with the
> thought that it would take a truly insane BDI cager to whip out of a
> blind driveway at 15-30 mph. For that matter, how many driveways are
> long enough for a car to hit 30 mph by the end?
>
> I eagerly await comment.
My driveway and about half my neighbor's driveways are long enough to
do a good 80 clicks (50mph for the velocity impaired) if we wanted to.
Granted, I live in the country, however I've seen neighbors whip out
of their driveways at the above mentioned 30 mph quite a bit- they
claim they can tell that "There's noone on the road for quite a ways."
This despite having nearly been hit myself by one of them while driving
a Chev 4x4, and twice taking my 10-speed bicycle over the hood of a
car that had pulled out, saw me, *then* stopped.  Same driver.  Same car.
About two months apart.
ObMoto:  The scary relevant part is that these people and I live on the type
of twisty two lane that we all favor for riding- and I know damn well
that they can't see me on my bike, not if they couldn't see me in
my pickup.
> Ryan Cousinetc.|1982 Yamaha Vision XZ550 -Black Pig of Inverness|Live to Ride
> KotRB          |1958 AJS 500 C/S -King Rat                      |to Work to
> DoD# 0863      |I'd be a squid if I could afford the bike...    |Flame to
> ryan.cousineau@compdyn.questor.org  |   Vancouver, BC, Canada   |Live . . .
>
>
>  * SLMR 2.1a * "He's hurt." "Dammit Jim, I'm a Doctor -- oh, right."
>
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There's nothing like the pitter-patter of little feet,
followed by the words "Hey- you're not my Daddy!"
(Sorry- I had to do it just once)
--
Dean Woodward         | "You want to step into my world?
dean@fringe.rain.com  |   It's a socio-psychotic state of Bliss..."
'82 Virago 920        |              -Guns'n'Roses, 'My World'
DoD # 0866
From: keithh@bnr.ca (Keith Hanlan)
Subject: Re: Insurance and lotsa points...
Nntp-Posting-Host: bcarh10f
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa
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In article <13386@news.duke.edu> infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante) writes:
>Well, it looks like I'm F*cked for insurance.
>
>I had a DWI in 91 and for the beemer, as a rec.
>vehicle, it'll cost me almost $1200 bucks to insure/year.
>
>Now what do I do?
Sell the bike and the car and start taking the bus. That way you can
keep drinking which seems to be where your priorities lay.
I expect that enough of us on this list have lost friends because of
driving drunks that our collective sympathy will be somewhat muted.
Showing great restraint,
Keith Hanlan  KeithH@bnr.ca  Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada 613-765-4645
From: bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner)
Subject: Re: Ducati 400 opinions wanted
Nntp-Posting-Host: 130.187.85.70
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
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In article <1qmnga$s9q@news.ysu.edu> ak954@yfn.ysu.edu (Albion H. Bowers) writes:
>In a previous article, bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner) says:
>>I guess I'm out of touch, but what exactly is the Ducati 400? A v-twin
>>desmo, or is it that half-a-v-twin with the balance weight where the 2nd
>>cylinder would go? A 12 second 1/4 for a 400 isn't bad at all.
>
>Sorry, I should have been more specific.  The 750 SS ran the quater in
>12.10 @ 108.17.  The last small V-twin Duc we got in the US (and the 400 is
>a Pantah based V-twin) was the 500SL Pantah, and it ran a creditable 13.0 @
>103.  Modern carbs and what not should put the 400 in the high 12s at 105.
>
>BTW, FZR 400s ran mid 12s, and the latest crop of Japanese 400s will out
>run that.  It's hard to remember, but but a new GOOF2 will clobber an old
>KZ1000 handily, both in top end and roll-on.  Technology stands still for
>no-one...
Not too hard to remember, I bought a GS1000 new in '78. :-) It was
3rd place in the '78 speed wars (behind the CBX & XS Eleven) with a
11.8 @ 113 1/4 mile, and 75 horses. That wouldn't even make a good 600
these days. Then again, I paid $2800 for it, so technology isn't the
only thing that's changed. Of course I'd still rather ride the old GS
across three states than any of the 600's.
I guess it's an indication of how much things have changed that a 12
second 400 didn't seem too far out of line.
--
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland
bgardner@dsd.es.com
From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: Riceburner Respect
Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc.
Lines: 14
In article <1993Apr15.141927.23722@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> shz@mare.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude) writes:
>Huh?
>
>- Roid
On a completely different tack, what was the eventual outcome of
Babe vs. the Bad-Mouthed Biker?
Later,
--
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC	  1991 ZX-11 - needs a name
agree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.
From: ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck)
Subject: Re: Happy Easter!
Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia
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Karen Black (karen@angelo.amd.com) wrote:
: ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) writes:
: >Nick Pettefar (npet@bnr.ca) wrote:
: >: English cars:-
: >
: >: Rover, Reliant, Morgan, Bristol, Rolls Royce, etc.
: >                  ^^^^^^
: >   Talk about Harleys using old technology, these
: >Morgan people *really* like to use old technology.
: Well, if you want to pick on Morgan, why not attack its ash (wood)
: frame or its hand-bent metal skin (just try and get a replacement :-)).
: I thought the kingpost suspension was one of the Mog's better features.
Hey!  I wasn't picking on Morgan.  They use old technology.  That's all
I said.  There's nothing wrong with using old technology.  People still
use shovels to dig holes even though there are lots of new powered implements
to dig holes with.
--
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* Bill Ranck             (703) 231-9503                     Bill.Ranck@vt.edu *
* Computing Center, Virginia Polytchnic Inst. & State Univ., Blacksburg, Va.  *
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From: joe@rider.cactus.org (Joe Senner)
Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this!
Reply-To: joe@rider.cactus.org
Distribution: usa
Organization: NOT
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karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr) writes:
]"Get the organization to act on it" is easy to say, but says little
]about what one really can and should do.  What the organization
]actually will do is largely determined by the president and directors,
]as far as I can see.  That's what makes it so important to vote in an
]election of officers.
if I remember right, I heard that in the last election, only 18% of the
members actually cast votes. I wonder if the current board and their
friends and relatives make up 18% of the membership :-) :-)  I certainly
plan on staying with the club long enough to vote and to see the results.
]It does strike me that the BMWMOA is a lot less politically active (in
]the state and national arenas, not infighting) than other M/C
]organizations.  Should we change this?  Or just join the other groups
]that already are in politics?
I wouldn't support the MOA becoming politically active in that sense.
the AMA already knows how to do that and I'd rather see the MOA support
the AMA in a manner that the *AMA* needs. I think that more could be
accomplished from one strong front rather than two not neccessarily
coordinated ones.
--
Joe Senner                                                joe@rider.cactus.org
Austin Area Ride Mailing List                            ride@rider.cactus.org
Texas SplatterFest Mailing List                          fest@rider.cactus.org
From: joe@rider.cactus.org (Joe Senner)
Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this!
Reply-To: joe@rider.cactus.org
Distribution: world
Organization: NOT
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vech@Ra.MsState.Edu (Craig A. Vechorik) writes:
]I wrote the slash two blues for a bit of humor which seems to be lacking
]in the MOA Owners News, when most of the stuff is "I rode the the first
]day, I saw that, I rode there the second day, I saw this"
I admit it was a surprise to find something interesting to read in
the most boring and worthless mag of all the ones I get.
]any body out there know were the sense if humor went in people?
]I though I still had mine, but I dunno...
I think most people see your intended humor, I do, I liked the article.
you seem to forget that you've stepped into the political arena. as well
intentioned as you may intend something you're walking through a china
store carrying that /2 on your head. everything you say or do says something
about how you would represent the membership on any given day. you don't
have to look far in american politics to see what a few light hearted
jokes about one segment of the population can do to someone in the limelight.
OBMoto: I did manage to squeak in a reference to a /2 ;-)
--
Joe Senner                                                joe@rider.cactus.org
Austin Area Ride Mailing List                            ride@rider.cactus.org
Texas SplatterFest Mailing List                          fest@rider.cactus.org
From: joe@rider.cactus.org (Joe Senner)
Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this!
Reply-To: joe@rider.cactus.org
Distribution: world
Organization: NOT
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cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Dances With Federal Rangers) writes:
]I'm going to buy a BMW just to cast a vote for Groucho.
I thought you were gonna buy a BMW for its superior power and handling...
--
Joe Senner                                                joe@rider.cactus.org
Austin Area Ride Mailing List                            ride@rider.cactus.org
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From: dug@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Dug Smith)
Subject: Re: Ducati 400 opinions wanted
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, CCSY Messaging Centre, UK.
Lines: 4
I spoke to a sales dweeb in 3X, a Ducati dealer here in Blighty, and he had
nothing good to say about them... it appears they are waaaay underpowered,
(basically, it's the 750/900 with a 400cc engine), and there have been some
quality problems (rusty _frame_ !!).  Save your pennies... buy the 900 :)
From: prange@nickel.ucs.indiana.edu (Henry Prange)
Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this!
Nntp-Posting-Host: nickel.ucs.indiana.edu
Organization: Indiana University
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I first heard it about academic politics but the same thought seems to
apply to the BMWMOA
"The politics is so dirty because the stakes are so small."
Who cares? I get my dues-worth from the ads and occasional technical
articles in the "News". I skip the generally drab articles about someone's
trek across Iowa. If some folks get thrilled by the power of the BMWMOA,
they deserve whatever thrills their sad lives provide.
BTW, I voted for new blood just to keep things stirred up.
Henry Prange
Physiology/IU Sch. Med., Blgtn., 47405
DoD #0821; BMWMOA #11522; GSI #215
ride = '92 R100GS; '91 RX-7 conv = cage/2; '91 Explorer = cage*2
The four tenets of all major religions:
1. I am right.
2. You are wrong.
3. Hence, you deserve to be punished.
4. By me.
From: ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck)
Subject: Re: extraordinary footpeg engineering
Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia
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exb0405@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au wrote:
: Okay DoD'ers, here's a goddamn mystery for ya !
Oh goody!  I love a puzzle.  Watson!  The games afoot!
: Today I was turning a 90 degree corner just like on any other day, but there
: was a slight difference-  a rough spot right in my path caused the suspension
: to compress in mid corner and some part of the bike hit the ground with a very
: tangible "thunk".  I pulled over at first opportunity to sus out the damage.
<stuff deleted>
: Okay all you engineering types, how the f**k do you explain this ?  How can you
: rip a tightly fitting steel thread out of a threaded hole (in alloy) without
: damaging the thread in the hole ?  Is this some sort of hi-tech design thingo
Let me guess.  You were making a left turn, correct?  The edge of the stud
contacting the road caused it to turn and unthread itself.  If you had
been making a right turn it would have tightened the stud.
--
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* Bill Ranck             (703) 231-9503                     Bill.Ranck@vt.edu *
* Computing Center, Virginia Polytchnic Inst. & State Univ., Blacksburg, Va.  *
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From: leavitt@cs.umd.edu (Mr. Bill)
Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post
Organization: The Cafe at the Edge of the Universe
Lines: 43
mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) writes:
mjs>Secondly, it is the adhesion of the
mjs>tyre on the road, the suspension geometry  and the ground clearance of the
mjs> motorcycle which dictate how quickly you can swerve to avoid obstacles, and
mjs>not the knowledge of physics between the rider's ears. Are you seriously
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
mjs>suggesting that countersteering knowledge enables you to corner faster
mjs>or more competentlY than you could manage otherwise??
egreen@east.sun.com writes:
ed>If he's not, I will.
Hey Ed, you didn't give me the chance!  Sheesh!
The answer is, absolutely!, as Ed so eloquently describes:
ed>Put two riders on identical machines.  It's the
ed>one who knows what he's doing, and why, that will be faster.  It *may*
ed>be possible to improve your technique if you have no idea what it is,
ed>through trial and error, but it is not very effective methodology.
ed>Only by understanding the technique of steering a motorcycle can one
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
ed>improve on that technique (I hold that this applies to any human
ed>endeavor).
Herein lies the key to this thread:
Kindly note the difference in the responses.  Ed (and I) are talking
about knowing riding technique, while Mike is arguing knowing the physics
behind it.  It *is* possible to be taught the technique of countersteering
(ie: push the bar on the inside of the turn to go that way) *without*
having to learn all the fizziks about gyroscopes and ice cream cones
and such as seen in the parallel thread.  That stuff is mainly of interest
to techno-motorcycle geeks like the readers of rec.motorcycles  ;^),
but doesn't need to be taught to the average student learning c-steering.
Mike doesn't seem to be able to make the distinction.  I know people
who can carve circles around me who couldn't tell you who Newton was.
On the other hand, I know very intelligent, well-educated people who
think that you steer a motorcycle by either: 1) leaning, 2) steering
a la bicycles, or 3) a combination of 1 and 2.  Knowledge of physics
doesn't get you squat - knowledge of technique does!
Mr. Bill
From: car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers)
Subject: Re: Riceburner Respect
Organization: AT&T
Summary: Subtlety, subtlety
Lines: 12
In article <oXZ12B1w164w@cellar.org>, craig@cellar.org (Saint Craig) writes:
> No anyone who is a "true" rider with the real riding attitude will offer a
> wave, weather they are on a Harley or on a Honda or some other bike, inless
> they have a serious case of my bike is better than your and you're too low
> to be acknowleged.
I may not wave:  I just wink at you with one eye.  'Course, it's hard to see
that through a shield and sunglasses, but hey, if you're a "true rider with
the real riding attitude," you'll sense it.
Chuck Rogers
car377@torreys.att.com
From: car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers)
Subject: Re: dogs
Organization: AT&T
Summary: abnormal canine psychology
Lines: 21
In article <MS-C.735160298.1147902781.mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM>, mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (Mark Crispin) writes:
>
> With a hostile dog, or one which you repeatedly encounter, stronger measures
> may be necessary.  This is the face off.  First -- and there is very important
> -- make sure you NEVER face off a dog on his territory.  Face him off on the
> road, not on his driveway.  If necessary, have a large stick, rolled up
> newspaper, etc. (something the beast will understand is something that will
> hurt him).  Stand your ground, then slowly advance.  Your mental attitude is
> that you are VERY ANGRY and are going to dispense TERRIBLE PUNISHMENT.  The
> larger the dog, the greater your anger.
This tactic depends for its effectiveness on the dog's conformance to
a "psychological norm" that may not actually apply to a particular dog.
I've tried it with some success before, but it won't work on a Charlie Manson
dog or one that's really, *really* stupid.  A large Irish Setter taught me
this in *my* yard (apparently HIS territory) one day.  I'm sure he was playing
a game with me.  The game was probably "Kill the VERY ANGRY Neighbor" Before
He Can Dispense the TERRIBLE PUNISHMENT.
Chuck Rogers
car377@torreys.att.com
From: small@tornado.seas.ucla.edu (James F. Small)
Subject: Re: Here's to the assholes
Organization: School of Engineering and Applied Sciences, UCLA
Lines: 26
In article <JROBBINS.93Apr15103031@kingston.cs.ucla.edu> you rambled on about:
)In article <9953@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU> small@thunder.seas.ucla.edu (James F. Small) writes:
)>   Here's to the 3 asshole scooter owners who TRIPLE PARKED behind my
)>    bike today.
)
)Jim calling other prople assholes, what's next?
^^^^^^
If you're going to flame, learn to spell.
)Besides, assholeism is endemic to the two-wheeled motoring community.
Why I do believe that Jason, the wise, respected (hahahha), has just made a
stereotypical remark.  How unsophisticated of you.  I'm so sorry you had to
come out of your ivory tower and stoop (as you would say), to my , obviously,
lower level.
Besides, geekism is endemic to the albino-phoosball playing community (and
those who drive volvos)
Remember ,send your flames to jrobbins@cs.ucla.edu
--
I need what a formal education can not provide.
---
DoD# 2024
From: howland@noc.arc.nasa.gov (Curt Howland)
Subject: Re: Safe driving prcatices...
Organization: NASA Science Internet Project Office
Lines: 32
In article <5028@cvbnetPrime.COM>,
rbemben@timewarp.prime.com (Rich Bemben) writes:
|> Never dilly-dally in that rear 1/4 of either side of a cage - when you pass
|> make it as POSITIVE as possible and if you can't pass fully, at least make
|> sure that if you attempt it you can make the driver aware of you by at least
|> getting into his area of vision.
This reads a lot like the philosophies of Musashi,
in the Book of Five Rings. Much of the section on
the long sword is that of being strong and decisive.
Hmmm. The more things change....
|> Ride with four eyes...
What an awfull thing to call your pillion!
|> Rich
|> "Fear not the evil men do in the name of evil, but heaven protect
|>  us from the evil men do in the name of good"
Power corrupts. Check out the explosion that the
cryptography policy from the WhiteHouse Friday
has caused....
---
Curt Howland "Ace"       DoD#0663       EFF#569
howland@nsipo.nasa.gov            '82 V45 Sabre
Meddle not in the afairs of Wizards,
for it makes them soggy and hard to re-light.
From: fields@cis.ohio-state.edu (jonathan david fields)
Subject: Misc./Buying Info. Needed
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Lines: 24
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: frigate.cis.ohio-state.edu
Hi. I have been thinking about buying a Motorcycle or a while now and I have
some questions:
-Is there a buying guide for new/used motorcycles (that lists reliability, how
to go about the buying process, what to look for, etc...)?
-Is there a pricing guide for new/used motorcycles (Blue Book)?
Also
-Are there any books/articles on riding cross country, motorcycle camping, etc?
-Is there an idiots' guide to motorcycles?
ANY related information is helpful. Please respond directly to me.
Thanks a lot.
-Jordan
Me also.
Thanks,
Jonathan D. Fields
fields@cis.ohio-state.edu
From: johnsw@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns)
Subject: Need a wheel
Originator: bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu
Keywords: '92
Organization: Washington State University
Distribution: na
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Does anyone have a rear wheel for a PD they'd like to part with?
Does anyone know where I might find one salvage?
As long as I'm getting the GIVI luggage for Brunnhilde and have
the room, I thought I'd carry a spare.
Ride Free,
Bill
___________________________________________________________________
johnsw@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu  prez=BIMC  KotV KotRR
DoD #00314  AMA #580924   SPI = 7.18   WMTC #0002  KotD #0001
Yamabeemer fj100gs1200pdr650 Special and a Volvo.  What more could anyone ask?
Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional.
From: chrispi@microsoft.com (Chris Pirih)
Subject: Re: Live Free, but Quietly, or Die
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Lines: 8
In rec.motorcycles egreen@east.sun.com writes:
;Revving the throttle requires either [dis]engaging the clutch,
;or accelerating.
Not if it's a Harley.
---
chris
From: howland@noc.arc.nasa.gov (Curt Howland)
Subject: Re: V-max handling request
Organization: NASA Science Internet Project Office
Lines: 14
In article <1993Apr15.222224.1@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg>,
ba7116326@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg writes:
|> hello there
|> ican anyone who has handson experience on riding the Yamaha v-max, pls kindly
|> comment on its handling .
I remember a commercial for some cheap, top-
heavy import cage a while back, where the
driver says while wearing a stuck-up fake
TV anouncers smile:
"It Really goes Straight!"
It fits.
From: howland@noc.arc.nasa.gov (Curt Howland)
Subject: Re: GOT MY BIKE! (was Wanted: Advice on CB900C Purchase)
Keywords: CB900C, purchase, advice
Organization: NASA Science Internet Project Office
Lines: 7
In article <1993Apr15.180644.25263@ll.mit.edu>,
jburnside@ll.mit.edu (jamie w burnside) writes:
|> Being a reletively new reader, I am quite impressed with all the usefull
|> info available on this newsgroup.
Isn't this redundent?
From: howland@noc.arc.nasa.gov (Curt Howland)
Subject: Re: dogs
Organization: NASA Science Internet Project Office
Lines: 27
In article <MS-C.735160298.1147902781.mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM>,
mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (Mark Crispin) writes:
|> I'm a biker and a dog-lover.
No wonder bikers have such a horrid reputation.
Go find a HUMAN!
|> The interesting thing about dogs is that body language communicates a great
|> deal to them.  The more effective you are at communicating body language, the
|> less you actually have to do.
I agree completely. Unfortunately, the majority
of my feelings, before I can even start to think
rationally abhout the dog that is trying to kill
me, are fear.
When there's been a moment to set up, like you
said "a bit down the road" or whatever, I've
never had a problem with dogs.
---
Curt Howland "Ace"       DoD#0663       EFF#569
howland@nsipo.nasa.gov            '82 V45 Sabre
Meddle not in the afairs of Wizards,
for it makes them soggy and hard to re-light.
From: bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner)
Subject: Re: RGV and posing!!
Nntp-Posting-Host: 130.187.85.70
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
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In article <speedy.153@engr.latech.edu> speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer) writes:
>In article <2553@spam.maths.adelaide.edu.au> amydlak@spam.maths.adelaide.edu.au (Adam Mydlak) writes:
>>[Squid deleted]
> 5.  Helment laws vary from state to state.  In my state (Louisiana) it is
>the law.  I personaly, would not go 2 feet on a bike without one law or no
>law.  A helment will save your life.
I'll go 2 feet, but I draw the line at 3.
--
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland
bgardner@dsd.es.com
From: tobias@convex.com (Allen Tobias)
Subject: Re: Comments on a 1984 Honda Interceptor 1000?
Nntp-Posting-Host: hydra.convex.com
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
not necessarily those of CONVEX.
Lines: 27
In article <19APR93.15421177@skyfox> howp@skyfox writes:
>Hi.
>     I am considering the purchase of a 1984 Honda 1000cc Interceptor for
>$2095 CDN (about $1676 US).  I don't know the mileage on this bike, but from
>the picture in the 'RV Trader' magazine, it looks to be in good shape.
>Can anybody enlighten me as to whether this is a good purchase?  Is it a
>good bike?  This will be my first bike.  (I realize that, for a beginner,
>1000cc is considered too be a bit too much bike.  I have heard from friends
>that were once beginners that if they had to start all over again that they
>would have started with a bigger bike.  One just has to be careful and not
>drive outside their skill level.)
>     I had considered (and posted about two weeks ago) the purchase of 1982
>600cc Yamaha Seca Turbo with 33000 km, but I am a little wary now about the
>prospect of having to deal with a turbo (both on the road and in the shop).  I
>may still consider this bike (the price dropped from $1300 to $1100 CDN), but
>the Honda seems to be a good bike.
>
>     Comments?
>
One word "HEAVY". It steers heavy, turns require alot of effort. Hard to get
access to the large V-4 motor. Weak/small front forks with anti-dive gizmos!
AT
From: jd@zorro.tyngsboro.ma.us (Jeff deRienzo)
Subject: bike for sale in MA, USA
Keywords: wicked-cool
Organization: ClickTech, Tyngsboro, MA
Lines: 15
I've recently become father of twins!  I don't think I can afford
to keep 2 bikes and 2 babies.  Both babies are staying, so 1 of
the Harleys is going.
1988 883 XLHD
~4000 mi.  (hey, it was my wife's bike :-)
4speed, chain secondary, laced wheels, buckhorns,
tachometer, saddlebags & supports, sissy bar, SE
high-flow air cleaner
dark candy red
$3700
---
Jeff deRienzo
jd@zorro.tyngsboro.ma.us
From: joe@rider.cactus.org (Joe Senner)
Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies
Reply-To: joe@rider.cactus.org
Distribution: rec
Organization: NOT
Lines: 9
xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu (From: xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu) writes:
]Is it possible to do a "wheelie" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive?
yes.
--
Joe Senner                                                joe@rider.cactus.org
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From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: Flashing anyone?
Keywords: flashing
Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc.
Lines: 31
In article <1993Apr15.123539.2228@news.columbia.edu> rdc8@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Robert D Castro) writes:
>Hello all,
>
>On my bike I have hazard lights (both front and back turn signals
>flash).  Since I live in NJ and commute to NYC there are a number of
>tolls one must pay on route.  Just before arriving at a toll booth I
>switch the hazards on.  I do thisto warn other motorists that I will
>be taking longer than the 2 1/2 seconds to make the transaction.
>Taking gloves off, getting money out of coin changer/pocket, making
>transaction, putting gloves back on takes a little more time than the
>average cager takes to make the same transaction of paying the toll.
>I also notice that when I do this cagers tend to get the message and
>usually go to another booth.
>
>My question, is this a good/bad thing to do?
This sounds like a VERY good thing to do.
>Any others tend to do the same?
I will now, whenever I don't have my handy-dandy automatic coin
fetcher/toll payer (Annette :-) with me.
Thanks for the tip.
Later,
--
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC	  1991 ZX-11 - needs a name
agree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.
From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Antifreeze/coolant
Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc.
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For those of you with motorcycles of the liquid-cooled persuasion,
what brand of coolant do you use and why?  I am looking for aluminum-safe
coolant, preferably phosphate-free, and preferably cheaper than $13/gallon.
(Can you believe it:  the Kaw dealer wants $4.95 a QUART for the Official
Blessed Holy Kawasaki Coolant!!!  No way I'm paying that usury...)
Thanks,
--
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC	  1991 ZX-11 - needs a name
agree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.
From: mcguire@cs.utexas.edu (Tommy Marcus McGuire)
Subject: Re: Should liability insurance be required?
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
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In article <1993Apr15.153312.4125@research.nj.nec.com> behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:
>In article <tcora-140493155620@b329-gator-3.pica.army.mil> tcora@pica.army.mil (Tom Coradeschi) writes:
>>In article <1993Apr14.125209.21247@walter.bellcore.com>,
[...]
>>BZZZT! If it is the other driver's fault, your insurance co pays you, less
>>deductible, then recoups the total cost from the other guy/gal's company
>>(there's a fancy word for it, which escapes me right now), and pays you the
>>deductible. Or: you can go to the other guy/gal's company right off - just
>>takes longer to get your cash (as opposed to State Farm, who cut me a check
>>today, on the spot, for the damage to my wife's cage).
>
>	The word is "subrogation."  Seems to me, if you're willing to wait
>for the money from scumbag's insurance, that you save having to pay the
>deductible.  However, if scumbag's insurance is Scum insurance, then you may
>have to pay the deductible to get your insurance co.'s pack of rabid, large-
>fanged lawyers to recover the damages from Scum insurance's lawyers.
>
>	Sad, but true.  Call it job security for lawyers.
>
>Later,
>--
>Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
[...]
You know, it sounds suspiciously like no fault doesn't even do what it
was advertised as doing---getting the lawyers out of the loop.
Sigh.  Another naive illusion down the toilet....
-----
Tommy McGuire
mcguire@cs.utexas.edu
mcguire@austin.ibm.com
"...I will append an appropriate disclaimer to outgoing public information,
identifying it as personal and as independent of IBM...."
From: n8643084@henson.cc.wwu.edu (owings matthew)
Subject: Re: Riceburner Respect
Article-I.D.: henson.1993Apr15.200429.21424
Organization: Western Washington University
The 250 ninja and XL 250 got ridden all winter long.  I always wave.  I
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am amazed at the number of Harley riders who ARE waving even to a lowly
baby ninja.  Let's keep up the good attitudes.  Brock Yates said in this
months Car and Driver he is ready for a war (against those who would rather
we all rode busses).  We bikers should be too.
It's a freedom that we all wanna know
and it's an obsession to some
to keep the world in your rearview mirror
while you try to run down the sun
"Wheels" by Rhestless Heart
Marty O.
87 250 ninja
73 XL 250 Motosport
From: asphaug@lpl.arizona.edu (Erik Asphaug x2773)
Subject: Re: CAMPING was Help with backpack
Organization: Lunar & Planetary Laboratory, Tucson AZ.
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In article <1993Apr14.193739.13359@rtsg.mot.com> svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) writes:
>In article <1993Apr13.152706.27518@bnr.ca> Dave Dal Farra <gpz750@bnr.ca> writes:
>|My crafty girfriend makes campfire/bbq starters a la McGiver:
>Well, heck, if you're going to make them yourself, you can buy
>candle-wax by the pound--much cheper than the candles themselves.
Hell, just save your candle stubs and bring them.  Light them up, and
dribble the wax all over the kindling wood and light _that_.  Although
I like the belly-button lint / eggshell case idea the best, if you're
feeling particularly industrious some eventful evening.  Or you can
do what I did one soggy summer: open the fuel line, drain some onto a
piece of rough or rotten wood, stick that into the middle of the soon-to-
be inferno and CAREFULLY strike a match... As Kurt Vonnegut titled one
of the latter chapters in Cat's Cradle, "Ah-Whoom!"
Works like a charm every time :-)
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|     DoD# 88888           asphaug@hindmost.lpl.arizona.edu      |
|  '90 Kawi Zephyr                  (Erik Asphaug)               |
|   '86 BMW R80GS                                                |
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From: asphaug@lpl.arizona.edu (Erik Asphaug x2773)
Subject: Re: How to act in front of traffic jerks
Organization: Lunar & Planetary Laboratory, Tucson AZ.
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In article <nielsmm-150493114522@nanna.imv.aau.dk> nielsmm@imv.aau.dk (Niels Mikkel Michelsen) writes:
>The other day, it was raining cats and dogs, therefor I was going only to
>the speed limit, on nothing more, on my bike. This guy in his BMW was
>driving 1-2 meters behind me for 7-800 meters and at the next red light I
>calmly put the bike on its leg, walked back to this car, he rolled down the
>window, and I told him he was a total idiot (and the reason why).
>
>Did I do the right thing?
>
>Yours Truly :
>
>                                  Niels Mikkel
YESSS!  You make me proud to
be an 'Merkun.  Good thing you
didn't get shot though. Don't
try that with a good'ole boy in Texas.
I once had a jeep driver south of Conroe cut me off (I was
in my car) after I had flipped him off for doing something really idiotic
and senseless.  All 280 lbs of him stretches out of his jeep; he walks
back (he is blocking all traffic between Dallas and Houston since the
freeway has been squeezed into a single lane) and says to me, "Stick that
finger out again and I'll rip it off your hand and shove it down your
sorry-ass throat."  I stared straight ahead, unblinking.  A hundred
cars were honking.  Eventually he got back into his jeep, face beet-red
with anger, and all the rest of the way back to Houston I tailed him,
waving, honking, flipping him off, yelling...  I'm glad he decided
not to shoot me.
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| '90 Kawi 550 Zephyr               (Erik Asphaug)               |
| '86 BMW R100GS						 |
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From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View
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In article <1qjn7i$d0i@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
}>On a
}>waterski bike, you turn the handlebars left to lean right, just like on
}>a motorcycle, so this supports the move-the-contact-patch-from-beneath-the
}>centre-of-mass theory on how to *lean*. This contradicts the need for
}>gyroscopic precession to have a countersteering induced *lean*.
}
}...FOR A WATERSKI BIKE.  It contradicts nothing for a motorcycle.
Not only that, but this morning I saw a TV ad for a waterski bike
(a Sea Doo, for those who care). I watched the lengthy ad very
carefully, and in every case and at every speed the riders turned
the handlebars left to go left, and right to go right. In other
words, they were *NOT* countersteering.
So perhaps it is only *some* waterski bikes on which one countersteers...
--
Curtis Jackson	   cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com	'91 Hawk GT	'81 Maxim 650
DoD#0721 KotB  '91 Black Lab mix "Studley Doright"  '92 Collie/Golden "George"
"There is no justification for taking away individuals' freedom
in the guise of public safety." -- Thomas Jefferson
From: marcl@os-d.isc-br.com (H. Marc Lewis)
Subject: European M/C Insurance
Organization: ISC-Bunker Ramo, An Olivetti Company
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Anyone in Europe got any advice for a US citizen whose going to be living
and working in Italy for a year and wants to buy a motorcycle there?  An
Italian friend just arrived here in Washington State to work for two years,
and she's finding it very very difficult to obtain car insurance.  So I
thought I'd ask...
I have a US license, with motorcycle endorsement (unlimited displacement),
and have had for 30 years.  I am also a Washington State Motorcycle Safety
instructor, if that info might help.
I will post a summary, even if it's just of my own personal experience in
buying a bike and getting it insured after I get to Italy.
--
H. Marc Lewis               | "There are two kinds of people in the world --
Olivetti North America      | those who divide everything in the world into
marcl@mail.spk.olivetti.com | two kinds of things and those who don't"
From: csk@wdl50.wdl.loral.com (Chuck Kuczaj)
Subject: Re: MOTORCYCLE DETAILING TIP #18
Organization: Loral Western Development Labs
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mbeaving@bnr.ca (Michael Beavington) writes:
>Don't you just hate when the speedo and tach on your
>bike start to cloud over from all that nasty sunshine?
>The detailing tip of the week is to use rubbing compound.
>Moisten a rag, apply some rubbing compound and work into the
>translucent, previously transparent, material. After a few
>minutes of working on the plastic face, the dial, or plastic
>face will be clear once more. Will not work for glass.
>--
>BTW.  I am not responsible for damages incurred when using
>      the above method.  Most models can use the treatment
>      safely.
>=============================================================================
>= The Beav |Mike Beavington|BellNorthernResearch Ottawa,Ont,Canada| Dod:9733=
>= Seca 400->Seca 400->RZ350->Seca750->Suzuki550->Seca650turbo->V65Sabre     =
>= (-> 1994 GTS1000 ...can't afford the '93) |  mbeaving@bnr.ca              =
>=============================================================================
McGuire's makes a plastic scratch/removing compound and a plastic
polishing compound which really work great as well.
From: manish@uclink.berkeley.edu (Manish Vij)
Subject: Shipping a bike
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: uclink.berkeley.edu
Can someone recommend how to ship a motorcycle from San Francisco
to Seattle?  And how much might it cost?
I remember a thread on shipping.  If someone saved the instructions
on bike prep, please post 'em again, or email.
Thanks,
Manish
From: jonc@joncpc.SanDiego.NCR.COM (Mike Corcoran)
Subject: Re: tire recomendation for CB400T wanted
Keywords: tires recomend CB400T
Organization: NCR E&M San Diego
Distribution: usa
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In article <1993Apr14.172716.4301@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>, asalerno@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (antonio.j.salerno..jr) writes:
|>
|> I've got a '81 CB400T with Chen-Shing (sp?) tires on it.
|> I got it with these tires on it!  The only reason I need new tires
|> is beacuse I hate (and don't feel safe on) these.
|>
|> I'd appreciate any recomendations I can get (about NEW tires!).
|>
|> Thanks,
|> Tony
I'll throw in a vote for a Metzler "economy" tire, the ME77. Good
for mid-size older bikes. Rated to 130mph. Wearing well and handles
my 12 mile ride(twisties) to work well on the SR500. Costs a bit
more than the Chengs/IRC's etc, but still less than the Sport
Metzlers for the newer bikes. Cost from Chaparral is about $60 for the
front, and $70 for the rear.
--
Jon M.(Mike) Corcoran <Mike.Corcoran@SanDiego.NCR.COM>
'78 Yamaha SR500 - '72 Honda XL250 - '70 Husky 400 Cross
From: ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck)
Subject: Re: BDI Experience
Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia
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Kent D. Polk (kent@swrinde.nde.swri.edu) wrote:
: Also watch your mirrors any time you are turning. I just had another close
: one last night. Preparing for a right turn on a two lane road. Right turn
: signals on, starting the turn, and this lady behind me hits the throttle and
: starts to pass me on the RIGHT.  This has happened to me twice before.  the
I have had this happen to me often enough that I always look for it.
On my ride to work in the morning I come to a stop light where there are
3 lanes in my direction.  One for left turns, one for straight through, and
one for right turns.  All clearly marked.  Plus there is a clearly marked
bicycle lane.  I ride into the right turn lane with my signal on and stop at
the stop line.  Looking left to see if I can make a "right turn on red" and
when I start to move discovered that some idiot has pulled into the bike
lane and is trying to pass me on the right.  GRRR.
I always do a head check on bike lanes.  Not always for bicycles. . .
--
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* Bill Ranck             (703) 231-9503                     Bill.Ranck@vt.edu *
* Computing Center, Virginia Polytchnic Inst. & State Univ., Blacksburg, Va.  *
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From: ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck)
Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this!
Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia
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As a new BMW owner I was thinking about signing up for the MOA, but
right now it is beginning to look suspiciously like throwing money
down a rathole.
When you guys sort this out let me know.
--
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* Bill Ranck             (703) 231-9503                     Bill.Ranck@vt.edu *
* Computing Center, Virginia Polytchnic Inst. & State Univ., Blacksburg, Va.  *
*******************************************************************************
From: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker)
Subject: Re: Shipping a bike
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
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In a previous article, manish@uclink.berkeley.edu (Manish Vij) says:
>
>Can someone recommend how to ship a motorcycle from San Francisco
>to Seattle?  And how much might it cost?
Hmmmmmm....put your butt in the seat and follow the road signs?
--
DoD #650<----------------------------------------------------------->DarkMan
The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of
thinking we were at when we created them.   - Albert Einstein
___________________The Eternal Champion_________________
From: pooder@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Don Fearn)
Subject: Re: Antifreeze/coolant
Reply-To: pooder@msus1.msus.edu
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
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In article <1993Apr15.193938.8569@research.nj.nec.com>, behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:
|> 	For those of you with motorcycles of the liquid-cooled persuasion,
|> what brand of coolant do you use and why?  I am looking for aluminum-safe
|> coolant, preferably phosphate-free, and preferably cheaper than $13/gallon.
|> (Can you believe it:  the Kaw dealer wants $4.95 a QUART for the Official
|> Blessed Holy Kawasaki Coolant!!!  No way I'm paying that usury...)
|>
Prestone.  I buy it at ShopKo for less
than that a _gallon_.    BMW has even more
expensive stuff than Kawasaki (must be
from grapes only grown in certain parts of
the fatherland), but BMW Dave* said "Don't
worry about it -- just change it yearly and
keep it topped off".  It's been keeping
Gretchen happy  since '87, so I guess it's OK.
Kept my Rabbit's aluminum radiator hoppy for
12 years and 130,000 miles, too, so I guess
it's aluminum safe.
*Former owner of the late lamented Rochester
BMW Motorcycles and all around good guy.
--
Pooder  -  Rochester, MN   -  DoD #591
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I share garage space with:   Gretchen - '86 K75   Harvey - '72 CB500
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<< Note the different "Reply-To:" address if you want to send me e-mail>>
From: jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton)
Subject: Re: bikes with big dogs
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
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In article <1993Apr14.234835.1@cua.edu> 84wendel@cua.edu writes:
>Has anyone ever heard of a rider giving a big dog such as a great dane a ride
>on the back of his bike.  My dog would love it if I could ever make it work.
>	Thanks
>			84wendel@cua.edu
If a large Malmute counts then yes someone has heard(and seen) such
an irresponsible childish stunt. The dog needed assistance straightening
out once on board. The owner would lift the front legs of dog and throw
them over the driver/pilots shoulders. Said dog would get shit eating
grin on its face and away they'd go. The dogs ass was firmly planted
on the seat.
My dog and this dog actively seek each other out at camping party's.
They hate each other. I think it's something personal.
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Steatopygias's 'R' Us.          doh#0000000005 That ain't no Hottentot.
Sesquipedalian's 'R' Us. ZX-10. AMA#669373 DoD#564. There ain't no more.
================================================================================
From: ramarren@apple.com (Godfrey DiGiorgi)
Subject: Re: uh, der, whassa deltabox?
Organization: Apple Computer
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>Can someone tell me what a deltabox frame is, and what relation that has,
>if any, to the frame on my Hawk GT?  That way, next time some guy comes up
>to me in some parking lot and sez "hey, dude, nice bike, is that a deltabox
>frame on there?" I can say something besides "duh, er, huh?"
The Yammie Deltabox and the Hawk frame are conceptually similar
but Yammie has a TM on the name. The Hawk is a purer 'twin spar'
frame design: investment castings at steering head and swing arm
tied together with aluminum extruded beams. The Yammie solution is
a bit more complex.
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Godfrey DiGiorgi - ramarren@apple.com  | DoD #0493      AMA#489408
Rule #1: Never sell a Ducati.         | "The street finds its own
Rule #2: Always obey Rule #1.         |  uses for things." -WG
------ Ducati Cinelli Toyota Krups Nikon Sony Apple Telebit ------
From: bowmanj@csn.org (Jerry Bowman)
Subject: Re: Should liability insurance be required?
Nntp-Posting-Host: fred.colorado.edu
Organization: University of Colorado Boulder, OCS
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In article <1qf5g8$32l@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) writes:
>Dan J. Declerck (declrckd@rtsg.mot.com) wrote:
>: In states with No-fault auto-insurance, this applies. You basically insure your
>: own vehicle, and the max you can sue for is about $400 (In MI, anyway).
>: The point to be made with no-fault, is the fact that it removes the lawyers from the
>: system, and lets people get their money faster. The removal of lawyers, reduces the
>: clogs on court system, and thus, reduces government burdens, by not requiring so
>: many judges.
>
>: does it work?? I don't know, ask the people of Michigan....
>
>No, ask the people of New Jersey where the "no-fault" hoax has been
>going on for years.  Last I heard every state that ever got no-fault
>insurance saw an increase in rates.  I know that's what happened in
>NJ because I lived there when it changed.  Just one more reason I will
>never go back to that state.
>--
>*******************************************************************************
>* Bill Ranck             (703) 231-9503                     Bill.Ranck@vt.edu *
>* Computing Center, Virginia Polytchnic Inst. & State Univ., Blacksburg, Va.  *
>*******************************************************************************
In Colorado my agent tells me that no fault only applies to
the medical coverage.
From: hesh@cup.hp.com (Chris Steinbroner)
Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this!
Reply-To: Chris Steinbroner <hesh@cup.hp.com>
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Wm. L. Ranck (ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu) wrote:
: As a new BMW owner I was thinking about signing up for the MOA, but
: right now it is beginning to look suspiciously like throwing money
: down a rathole.
i concur with this.
the politics and bickering going on has
ruined BMWMOA to me.  because of the
politics and fighting, i'm i'm going to
let my current membership lapse when it's
up for renewal.
-- hesh
p.s. BMWRA's On The Level is a far superiour
publication in my opinion.
From: ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck)
Subject: Re: Should liability insurance be required?
Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia
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Tommy Marcus McGuire (mcguire@cs.utexas.edu) wrote:
: You know, it sounds suspiciously like no fault doesn't even do what it
: was advertised as doing---getting the lawyers out of the loop.
: Sigh.  Another naive illusion down the toilet....
Since most legislators are lawyers it is very difficult to get any
law passed that would cut down on lawyers' business.  That is why
"No-fault" insurance laws always backfire.
--
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* Bill Ranck             (703) 231-9503                     Bill.Ranck@vt.edu *
* Computing Center, Virginia Polytchnic Inst. & State Univ., Blacksburg, Va.  *
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From: bradw@Newbridge.COM (Brad Warkentin)
Subject: Re: V-max handling request
Nntp-Posting-Host: thor
Organization: Newbridge Networks Corporation
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In article <1qjtr9$llb@news.ysu.edu> ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) writes:
>
>In a previous article, ba7116326@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg () says:
>
>>hello there
>>ican anyone who has handson experience on riding the Yamaha v-max, pls kindly
>>comment on its handling .
>
>You're kidding, right?  This is Flame bait in the extreme.  V-max handling?
>Har har har har....
Zero to very fast very quickly... lastest rumor is 115 hp at the rear wheel,
handles like a dream in a straight line to 80-100, and then gets a tad upset
according to a review in Cycle World... cornering, er well, you can't have
everything... Seriously, handling is probably as good as the big standards
of the early 80's but not compareable to whats state of the art these days.
All this gleemed from reviews and discussions with owners. I too lust after
this bike.
bj...bradw@Newbridge.com... no .sig no .plan no.clue  >> DoD# 255 <<
From: rmugele@oracle.com (Robert Mugele)
Subject: Re: How to act in front of traffic jerks
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Belmont, CA
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In-Reply-To: nielsmm@imv.aau.dk's message of 15 Apr 93 08:54:34 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host: oasun1.us.oracle.com
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.
In article <nielsmm-150493114522@nanna.imv.aau.dk> nielsmm@imv.aau.dk (Niels Mikkel Michelsen) writes:
>   The other day, it was raining cats and dogs, therefor I was going only to
>   the speed limit, on nothing more, on my bike. This guy in his BMW was
>   driving 1-2 meters behind me for 7-800 meters and at the next red light I
>   calmly put the bike on its leg, walked back to this car, he rolled down the
>   window, and I told him he was a total idiot (and the reason why).
>
>   Did I do the right thing?
Absolutely, unless you are in the U.S.  Then the cager will pull a gun
and blow you away.
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| Bob Mugele  (Jungle Bob)      | Email: rmugele@oracle.com      |
| Senior Computational Linguist | Phone: 214-401-5875            |
| Oracle Corp.                  | Moto: '81 GS450ES '87 Concours |
| Irving, Texas                 | DoD#: 283                      |
|    If vegetarians eat vegetables, beware of the humanitarians  |
|          --Dr. Bob                                             |
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From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: GOT MY BIKE! (was Wanted: Advice on CB900C Purchase)
Keywords: CB900C, purchase, advice
Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc.
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In article <1993Apr15.180644.25263@ll.mit.edu> jburnside@ll.mit.edu (jamie w burnside) writes:
>( Sure is alot harder to load on a trailer than the KDX200 was. )  I should
>be road legal tomorrow.  I am ignoring the afforementioned concerns about
>the transmission and taking my chances.
There should be no worries about the trans.
>Being a reletively new reader, I am quite impressed with all the usefull
>info available on this newsgroup.  I would ask how to get my own DoD number,
>but I'll probably be too busy riding ;-).
Does this count?
$ cat dod.faq | mailx -s "HAHAHHA" jburnside@ll.mit.edu (waiting to press
return...)
Later,
--
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC	  1991 ZX-11 - needs a name
agree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.
From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: What about No-Fault?
Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc.
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In article <1416@galileo.rtn.ca.boeing.com> meb4593@galileo.rtn.ca.boeing.com (Michael Bain) writes:
>
>Insurance companies sure seem to go for No-Fault coverage.  Since the
>majority of accidents are the cagers' fault, doesn't this imply that we
>would have to pay much higher rates under a No-Fault system?
>
>With a cars-only system, it seems to make sense on the surface: take the
>legal costs out of the system.  But it looks like motorcyclists would
>get screwed.
Yup.  Unfortunately, as has been pointed out, the cost of insurance
does NOT go down with No Fault.  The crappiest drivers make out like bandits
because they no longer have to bear the responsibility of paying for
insurance that they have boosted in price for themselves by being crappy
drivers.  The good drivers now pay through the nose to spread the cost of
the crappy drivers' actions, and that's not fair.
Any plan that caps rates for crappy drivers is inherently a piece of
shit, because the rest of us end up paying more.
Any plan that uses speeding tickets as a basis for raising rates is
also a piece of shit as it is based upon the lie that faster drivers are
inherently less safe than slower drivers, and the NHTSA disproved that two
years ago now.
Later,
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Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC	  1991 ZX-11 - needs a name
agree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.
From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: Observation re: helmets
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>maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:
>|>
>|>  Grf. Dropped my Shoei RF-200 off the seat of my bike while trying to
>|> rock
>|> it onto it's centerstand, chipped the heck out of the paint on it...
>|>
>|>  So I cheerfully spent $.59 on a bottle of testor's model paint and
>|> repainted the scratches and chips for 20 minutes.
>|>
>|>  The question for the day is re: passenger helmets, if you don't know
>|> for
>|> certain who's gonna ride with you (like say you meet them at a ....
>|> church
>|> meeting, yeah, that's the ticket)... What are some guidelines? Should
>|> I just
>|> pick up another shoei in my size to have a backup helmet (XL), or
>|> should I
>|> maybe get an inexpensive one of a smaller size to accomodate my
>|> likely
>|> passenger?
Do I have to be the one to say it?
DON'T BE SO STUPID AS TO LEAVE YOUR HELMET ON THE SEAT WHERE IT CAN
FALL DOWN AND GO BOOM!
That kind of fall is what the helmet is designed to protect against.
If you fall with the helmet on and you hit the same spot the helmet landed
on during the drop, the helmet may not protect your head as well as it was
intended to do.  Conservative rec.moto'ers will recommend that you replace
the helmet.  If you want to be sure that it will protect you adequately, you
should.
HELMETS GO ON THE GROUND, ON A TABLE, ON A CHAIR, ON A SHELF, OR ON
ANY OTHER SURFACE THAT IS LARGE ENOUGH TO SUPPORT THEM SO THAT THEY
WILL NOT EASILY BE KNOCKED DOWN.
Jeezus.  My new Shoei would be $340 to replace.  You think I'm going
to leave it to chance?
Cripe.
Later,
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Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC	  1991 ZX-11 - needs a name
agree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.
From: rbemben@timewarp.prime.com (Rich Bemben)
Subject: Re: Riceburner Respect
Expires: 15 May 93 05:00:00 GMT
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In article <1993Apr9.172953.12408@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> shz@mare.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude) writes:
>The rider (pilot?) of practically every riceburner I've passed recently
>has waved to me and I'm wondering if it will last.  Could they simply be
>overexuberant that their 'burners have been removed from winter moth-balls
>and the novelty will soon dissipate?  Perhaps the gray beard that sprouted
>since the last rice season makes them think I'm a friendly old fart that
>deserves a wave...
Maybe...then again did you get rid of that H/D of yorn and buy a rice rocket
of your own?  That would certainly explain the friendliness...unless you
maybe had a piece of toilet paper stuck on the bottom of your boot...8-).
Rich
Rich Bemben - DoD #0044                     rbemben@timewarp.prime.com
1977 750 Triumph Bonneville                 (617) 275-1800 x 4173
"Fear not the evil men do in the name of evil, but heaven protect
us from the evil men do in the name of good"
From: ant@palm21.cray.com (Tony Jones)
Subject: Re: MOTORCYCLE DETAILING TIP #18
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Chuck Kuczaj (csk@wdl50.wdl.loral.com) wrote:
: mbeaving@bnr.ca (Michael Beavington) writes:
:
: McGuire's makes a plastic scratch/removing compound and a plastic
: polishing compound which really work great as well.
A useful tip.
How about someone letting me know MOTORCYCLE DETAILING TIP #19 ?
The far side of my instrument panel was scuffed when the previous owner
dumped the bike. Same is true for one of the turn signals.
Both of the scuffed areas are black plastic.
I recall reading somewhere, that there was some plastic compound you could coat
the scuffed areas with, then rub it down, ending with a nice smooth shiny
finish ?
Anyone any ideas.
thanks
tony
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Tony Jones (ant@cray.com, ..!uunet!cray!ant)
CMCS Codegeneration Group, Software Division
Cray Research Inc, 655F Lone Oak Drive, Eagan, MN 55121
From: declrckd@rtsg.mot.com (Dan J. Declerck)
Subject: Re: edu breaths
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In article <1993Apr15.003749.15710@rtsg.mot.com> svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) writes:
>In article <1993Apr14.220252.14731@rtsg.mot.com> declrckd@rtsg.mot.com (Dan J. Declerck) writes:
>|
>|The difference of opinion, and difference in motorcycling between the sport-bike
>|riders and the cruiser-bike riders.
>
>That difference is only in the minds of certain closed-minded individuals.  I
>have had the very best motorcycling times with riders of "cruiser"
>bikes (hi Don, Eddie!), yet I ride anything but.
Continuously, on this forum, and on the street, you find quite a difference
between the opinions of what motorcycling is to different individuals.
Cruiser-bike riders have a different view of motorcycling than those of sport bike riders
(what they like and dislike about motorcycling). This is not closed-minded.
To NOT RECOGNIZE this, is in effect, close-minded.
>
>|A lot of it, reminded me of rec.motorcycles and the insipid flame-age thereof..
>
>If you so dislike it, my occasionally leather-clad poser pal, why read it?
I scan it for information, a lot of it is NOISE and pointless flame-age.
(it's why I used trn, instead of rn)
If you have a problem with that, I'm really sorry for you..
--
=> Dan DeClerck                        | EMAIL: declrckd@rtsg.mot.com     <=
=> Motorola Cellular APD               |                                  <=
=>"Friends don't let friends wear neon"| Phone: (708) 632-4596            <=
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From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda)
Subject: Re: edu breaths
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In article <1993Apr15.214910.5676@rtsg.mot.com> declrckd@rtsg.mot.com (Dan J. Declerck) writes:
|In article <1993Apr15.003749.15710@rtsg.mot.com> svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) writes:
|>In article <1993Apr14.220252.14731@rtsg.mot.com> declrckd@rtsg.mot.com (Dan J. Declerck) writes:
|>|
|>|The difference of opinion, and difference in motorcycling between the sport-bike
|>|riders and the cruiser-bike riders.
|>
|>That difference is only in the minds of certain closed-minded individuals.  I
|>have had the very best motorcycling times with riders of "cruiser"
|>bikes (hi Don, Eddie!), yet I ride anything but.
|
|Continuously, on this forum, and on the street, you find quite a difference
|between the opinions of what motorcycling is to different individuals.
Yes, yes, yes.  Motorcycling is slightly different to each and every one of us.  This
is the nature of people, and one of the beauties of the sport.
|Cruiser-bike riders have a different view of motorcycling than those of sport bike riders
|(what they like and dislike about motorcycling). This is not closed-minded.
And what view exactly is it that every single rider of cruiser bikes holds, a veiw
that, of course, no sport-bike rider could possibly hold?  Please quantify your
generalization for us.  Careful, now, you're trying to pigeonhole a WHOLE bunch
of people.
Dave Svoboda (svoboda@void.rtsg.mot.com)    | "I'm getting tired of
90 Concours 1000 (Mmmmmmmmmm!)              |  beating you up, Dave.
84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Woops!)              |  You never learn."
AMA 583905  DoD #0330  COG 939  (Chicago)   |  -- Beth "Bruiser" Dixon
From: pstone@well.sf.ca.us (Philip K. Stone)
Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post
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In article <1993Apr14.175856.26051@rd.hydro.on.ca> jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:
>[...] On a
>waterski bike, you turn the handlebars left to lean right, just like on
>a motorcycle,
I don't think this is the case, at least not on all jetskis.  On my
friend's jetski, bars turn left to go left.  Anyway, all you're doing
there is changing the yaw of the jets, so the relationship between
the handlbars and the rear-mounted jets is completely arbitrary
(simple linkage could make it work either way).
>so this supports the move-the-contact-patch-from-beneath-the
>centre-of-mass theory on how to *lean*. This contradicts the need for
>gyroscopic precession to have a countersteering induced *lean*.
It seems to me that jetskis are even more irrelevant to this discussion
than snow skis.  But it *has* been an amusing digression.
Hey Ed, how do you explain the fact that you pull on a horse's reins
left to go left?  :-)  Or am I confusing two threads here?
Phil Stone            NEW ADDRESS----------> pstone@well.sf.ca.us
'83 R80ST                                      "Motorcycles OK"
From: jfriedl+@RI.CMU.EDU (Jeffrey Friedl)
Subject: Re: GGRRRrrr!! Cages double-parking motorc
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egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:
|> In article 34211@castle.ed.ac.uk, wbg@festival.ed.ac.uk (W Geake) writes:
|> >Ultra sticky labels printed with your
|> >favourite curse are good - even our local hospitals use them instead of
|> >wheel clamps, putting one (about A5 size) on each window of the cage.
|>
|> An apartment complex where I used to live tried this, only they put the
|> thing over the driver's window, "so they couldn't miss it."  A friend
|> damned near wrecked on the way home one night, her vision blocked by
|> the sticker.  I suggested to the manager the ENORMOUS liability they
|> were assuming by pulling that stunt.
(not that logic has anything to do with it, but...)
I can see the liability of putting stickers on the car while it was moving,
or something, but it's the BDI that chooses to start and then drive the car
in a known unsafe condition that would (seem to be) liable. Furthermore, they
would have had the last chance to avoid an unsafe situation, which is an
additional factor in attributing "blame".
Anyway, stickers on the window are less effective... no one has any problem
taking a blade to a window to remove a stubborn sticker, but it's a different
story with that that nice paint job on the door....
*jeff*
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Jeffrey E.F. Friedl     Omron Corporation, Nagaokakyo (Kyoto), Japan
jfriedl@omron.co.jp, jfriedl@cs.cmu.edu   [ DoD##4  N8XBK  CBR250R ]
Visiting researcher to the Mach Project, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh
From: wcd82671@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (daniel warren c)
Subject: Splitfire Plugs...  Kinda Offical...
Summary: Supposed "Higher power output".
Distribution: rec.motorcycles
Keywords: Using Splitfire plugs for performance.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
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Yo, Whaz up!!!
Earlier, I was reading on the net about using Splitfire plugs.  One
guy was thinking about it and almost everybody shot him to hell.  Well,
I saw one think that someone said about "Show me a team that used Split-
fires...."  Well, here's some additional insight and some theories
about splitfire plugs and how they boost us as oppossed to cages.
Splitfires were originally made to burn fuel more efficiently and
increased power for the 4x4 cages.  Well, for these guys, splitfires
increased performance by increasing TORQUE.  They weren't focusing
on horsepower numbers.
Now how does this related to us high performance pilots?  Well, that
depends.  Do you pilot a high performance 2- or 4-cylinder machine?
In the case of 4-cylinders, splitfires would increase overall torque,
but 4's make more top end horsepower with its torque packed down low.
So for 4's, splitfires would not significantly increase power.
But what about twins?...  Many of you 4 guys laugh at some of us twins,
but many times we carry less weight which sometimes can make up for
the hp loss (see Doug Polen vs. Scott Russell, Daytona 1992).  However,
twins make more torque thoughout their powerbands.   So how does this
translate?  Increased torque should "theoretically" help twins make
more power.  Splitfire claims that there should be not extra mods
or anything made, just stick 'em in.
Now I don't know about all of this (and I'm trying to catch up with
somebody about it now), but Splitfires should help twins more than
4's.
As far as racing teams....  Ducati team "Fast by Ferraci" used
splitfires in the 1989 season (this is when they had Jamie James
running for em), but I don't know why they stopped since then.
Also, somebody check to see if they had them in 88.....
Peace.
Warren
wcd82671@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
"Have Suzuki, will travel..."
At a local "fix-er-up-er" shop, the bike repairest looked at a
dumped ZX-7.  Then he asked the guy...
"What happened..."   "I dumped the clutch..."
"How fast..."        "Pretty fast..."
"Insurance..."       "Nope."
The fixer smiled.....
"What do you know about bikes?"   "Not much....."
From: M. Burnham <markb@wc.novell.com>
Subject: Re: How to act in front of traffic jerks
X-Xxdate: Thu, 15 Apr 93 16:39:59 GMT
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In article <RMUGELE.93Apr15135857@oasun1.oracle.com> Robert Mugele,
rmugele@oracle.com writes:
>Absolutely, unless you are in the U.S.  Then the cager will pull a gun
>and blow you away.
Well, I would guess the probability of a BMW driver having a gun would
be lower than some other vehicles.  At least, I would be more likely
to say something to someone in a luxosedan, than a hopped-up pickup
truck, for example.
- Mark
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Mark S. Burnham (markb@wc.novell.com) AMA#668966  DoD#0747
Alfa Romeo GTV-6                             '90 Ninja 750
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From: bethd@netcom.com (Beth Dixon)
Subject: Re: Ed must be a Daemon Child!!
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
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In article <1993Apr14.133413.1499@research.nj.nec.com> behanna@syl.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:
>In article <bethdC5G0H6.I48@netcom.com> bethd@netcom.com (Beth Dixon) writes:
>>Bzzzzt.  It was me.  Until I discovered my SR250 Touring Bike has a
>>nifty little cache on it for things like coins or lipstick.  The
>>new Duc 750SS doesn't, so I'll have to go back to carrying my lipstick
>>in my jacket pocket.  Life is _so_ hard.  :-)
>
>	Am I the only denizen who thinks that the Natural Look is the best
>look?  The thought of kissing that waxy shit smeared all over a woman's lips
>is a definite turn-off...
So does clear lipstick/chapstick/etc. fit under the "natural look" or
the "waxy shit" category?  I wear something on my lips to keep them from
drying out.  Kissing dry, cracked, parched lips isn't too fun either.
>	Not that I'll ever be kissing Beth or Noemi... ;-)
Not if Tom has anything to say about it you won't!  Noemi speaks for
herself.
Beth
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Beth [The One True Beth] Dixon                   bethd@netcom.com
1981 Yamaha SR250 "Excitable Girl"                      DoD #0384
1979 Yamaha SR500 "Spike the Garage Rat"             FSSNOC #1843
1992 Ducati 750SS                                     AMA #631903
1963 Ducati 250 Monza -- restoration project         1KQSPT = 1.8
"I can keep a handle on anything just this side of deranged."
-- ZZ Top
=================================================================
From: kristyn@netcom.com (Kristyn Geenwood)
Subject: Re: Boom! Dog attack!
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In article <9426.97.uupcb@compdyn.questor.org> ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau)  writes:
>My previous posting on dog attacks must have generated some bad karma or
>something. I've weathered attempted dog attacks before using the
>approved method: Slow down to screw up dog's triangulation of target,
>then take off and laugh at the dog, now far behind you. This time, it
>didn't work because I didn't have time. Riding up the hill leading to my
>house, I encountered a liver-and-white Springer Spaniel (no relation to
>the Springer Softail, or the Springer Spagthorpe, a close relation to
>the Spagthorpe Viking). Actually, the dog encountered me with intent to
>harm.
>
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>
>Ryan Cousinetc.|1982 Yamaha Vision XZ550 -Black Pig of Inverness|Live to Ride
>KotRB          |1958 AJS 500 C/S -King Rat                      |to Work to
>DoD# 0863      |I'd be a squid if I could afford the bike...    |Flame to
>ryan.cousineau@compdyn.questor.org  |   Vancouver, BC, Canada   |Live . . .
>
>
I sure hope you got the cost of a replacement panel out of the owner. Here if
the owner should seem reluctant, a stop by the local SPCA (preferably with your
foot/leg all swollen up) to file a viscious dog report would do the trick.
-g.
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Glenn Schmall - astroid@armory.com   | Do not cross the oncoming lanes of
R65 from hell - beaming to cafe near | death that are californias highways.
you! Yeah I got a DOD#, so what?     | -SJ Mercury News
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From: bethd@netcom.com (Beth Dixon)
Subject: Re: Women's Jackets? (was Ed must be a Daemon Child!!)
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In article <1993Apr14.141637.20071@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jhensley@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Hensley) writes:
>Beth Dixon (bethd@netcom.com) wrote:
>: new Duc 750SS doesn't, so I'll have to go back to carrying my lipstick
>: in my jacket pocket.  Life is _so_ hard.  :-)
>
>My wife is looking for a jacket, and most of the men's styles she's tried
>don't fit too well. If they fit the shoulders and arms, they're too
>tight across the chest, or something like that. Anyone have any
>suggestions? I'm assuming that the V-Pilot, in addition to its handy
>storage facilities, is a pretty decent fit. Is there any company that
>makes a reasonable line of women's motorcycling stuff? More importantly,
>does anyone in Boulder or Denver know of a shop that bothers carrying any?
I was very lucky I found a jacket I liked that actually _fits_.
HG makes the v-pilot jackets, mine is a very similar style made
by Just Leather in San Jose. I bought one of the last two they
ever made.
Finding decent womens motorcycling gear is not easy.  There is a lot
of stuff out there that's fringed everywhere, made of fashion leather,
made to fit men, etc.  I don't know of a shop in your area.  There
are some women rider friendly places in the San Francisco/San Jose
area, but I don't recommend buying clothing mail order.  Too hard
to tell if it'll fit.  Bates custom makes leathers.  You might want
to call them (they're in L.A.) and get a cost estimate for the type
of jacket your wife is interested in.  Large manufacturers like
BMW and H.G. sell women's lines of clothing of decent quality, but
fit is iffy.
A while ago, Noemi and Lisa Sieverts were talking about starting
a business doing just this sort of thing.  Don't know what they
finally decided.
Beth
=================================================================
Beth [The One True Beth] Dixon                   bethd@netcom.com
1981 Yamaha SR250 "Excitable Girl"                      DoD #0384
1979 Yamaha SR500 "Spike the Garage Rat"             FSSNOC #1843
1992 Ducati 750SS                                     AMA #631903
1963 Ducati 250 Monza -- restoration project         1KQSPT = 1.8
"I can keep a handle on anything just this side of deranged."
-- ZZ Top
=================================================================
From: moseley@u.washington.edu (Steve L. Moseley)
Subject: Re: How to act in front of traffic jerks
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In article <nielsmm-150493114522@nanna.imv.aau.dk>
nielsmm@imv.aau.dk (Niels Mikkel Michelsen) writes:
>From: nielsmm@imv.aau.dk (Niels Mikkel Michelsen)
>Subject: How to act in front of traffic jerks
>Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 08:54:34 GMT
>The other day, it was raining cats and dogs, therefor I was going only to
>the speed limit, on nothing more, on my bike. This guy in his BMW was
>driving 1-2 meters behind me for 7-800 meters and at the next red light I
>calmly put the bike on its leg, walked back to this car, he rolled down the
>window, and I told him he was a total idiot (and the reason why).
>Did I do the right thing?
It works for me. I avoid obscenities, and try to remain calm cool and
collected, and try something like, "You almost just killed me, and I'm not
moving until you apologize." or something more or less benign like that. I
haven't been shot a single time, but I don't do it in Texas, and I do only
do it when there are plenty of witnesses around.
Steve
__________________________________________________________________________
Steve L. Moseley                                  moseley@u.washington.edu
Microbiology SC-42                                Phone: (206) 543-2820
University of Washington                          FAX:   (206) 543-8297
Seattle, WA 98195
From: na4@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Subject: KREME
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Organization: Cornell University
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Hi folks!
Recently saw one post about KREME being a *bad idea*, but that was only
one man's opinion.
Any one else have any experience with the stuff?
From: na4@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Subject: Aerostitch:  1- or 2-piece?
Distribution: rec
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Request for opinions:
Which is better - a one-piece Aerostitch or a two-piece Aerostitch?
We're looking for more than "Well, the 2-pc is more versatile, but the
1-pc is better protection,..."
Thanks in advance,
Nadine
From: moseley@u.washington.edu (Steve L. Moseley)
Subject: Re: Observation re: helmets
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In article <1qk5oi$d0i@sixgun.East.Sun.COM>
egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:
>If your primary concern is protecting the passenger in the event of a
>crash, have him or her fitted for a helmet that is their size.  If your
>primary concern is complying with stupid helmet laws, carry a real big
>spare (you can put a big or small head in a big helmet, but not in a
>small one).
So what should I carry if I want to comply with intelligent helmet laws?
(The above comment in no way implies support for any helmet law, nor should
such support be inferred. A promise is a promise.)
Steve
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Steve L. Moseley                                  moseley@u.washington.edu
Microbiology SC-42                                Phone: (206) 543-2820
University of Washington                          FAX:   (206) 543-8297
Seattle, WA 98195
From: randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis)
Subject: Re: V-max handling request
Reply-To: randy@megatek.com
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In article <1993Apr15.222224.1@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg> ba7116326@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg writes:
|hello there
|ican anyone who has handson experience on riding the Yamaha v-max, pls kindly
|comment on its handling .
Depends on in what context you want it commented on.  It handles great
compared to some bikes, not so good compared to others.  What would you like
it compared to?  (Yes, I've put a few miles on one, although I've never owned
one).
Randy Davis                            Email: randy@megatek.com
ZX-11 #00072 Pilot                            {uunet!ucsd}!megatek!randy
DoD #0013
"But, this one goes to *eleven*..." - Nigel Tufnel, _Spinal Tap_
From: randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis)
Subject: Re: Observation re: helmets
Reply-To: randy@megatek.com
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
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In article <1qk5oi$d0i@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
|In article 211353@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com, maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:
|>
|> The question for the day is re: passenger helmets, if you don't know for
|>certain who's gonna ride with you (like say you meet them at a .... church
|>meeting, yeah, that's the ticket)... What are some guidelines? Should I just
|>pick up another shoei in my size to have a backup helmet (XL), or should I
|>maybe get an inexpensive one of a smaller size to accomodate my likely
|>passenger?
|
|If your primary concern is protecting the passenger in the event of a
|crash, have him or her fitted for a helmet that is their size.  If your
|primary concern is complying with stupid helmet laws, carry a real big
|spare (you can put a big or small head in a big helmet, but not in a
|small one).
Well, you can accomplish both goals, actually, if you have a definite
physical type in mind when you go to these (cough) church meetings..  If
your tastes tend to smaller, more petite (cough) churchgoers, it is more
likely that they will have a smaller head, and you can safely get a medium
or small helmet.
This works for me, and I traded my spare large helmet with my best friend,
who, at 6'9", tends to look more for women that are over 6'0", and can't
usually fit into the medium size helmet he previously had...
Of course, if you aren't picky what size (*cough*) churchgoers you give
helpful motorcycle rides to, then Ed's advice will hopefully cover any
eventuality as far as legality is concerned, and a spare handtowel in the
tankbag makes acceptable padding so the passenger can see out of the viewport
(rather than the padding above the viewport) in the cases of extreme mismatch.
Randy Davis                            Email: randy@megatek.com
ZX-11 #00072 Pilot                            {uunet!ucsd}!megatek!randy
DoD #0013
"But, this one goes to *eleven*..." - Nigel Tufnel, _Spinal Tap_
From: bethd@netcom.com (Beth Dixon)
Subject: Re: Ducati 400 opinions wanted
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
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In article <C5I2HM.JwC@srgenprp.sr.hp.com> frankb@sad.hp.com (Frank Ball) writes:
>Godfrey DiGiorgi (ramarren@apple.com) wrote:
>&
>& The Ducati 400 model is essentially a reduced displacement 750, which
>& means it weighs the same and is the same size as the 750 with far less
>& power. It is produced specifically to meet a vehicle tax restriction
>
>The Ducati 750 model is essentially a reduced displacement 900, which
>means it weighs the same and is the same size as the 900 with far less
>power.  And less brakes.
Bzzzt.  The 750SS is 40 pounds lighter than the 900SS.  I personally,
and recently, witnessed my 750SS do a stoppie with a larger-than-
average rider aboard.  He said it took two fingers on that measely
single front disk to accomplish the task.  How much more brake do
you need?
>As such, it's somewhat large and overweight for its motor. It will
>still handle magnificently, it just won't be very fast. There are
>very few other flaws to mention; the limited steering lock is the
>annoyance noted by most testers. And the mirrors aren't perfect.
I haven't gone over 4000 rpm yet (still in break in) and haven't
had a problem with the 750SS being too slow.  The limited steering
lock can be a problem if you aren't prepared for it.  The mirrors
are very good, IMHO.  Someone forgot to tell their designer about
the "whazza behind you, she no matta" philosophy.
>Hewlett Packard             (707) 794-3844 fax,  (707) 538-3693 home
>1212 Valley House Drive     IT175, XT350, Seca 750, '62 F-100, PL510
Hmmmm.  I don't see a 400, 750 _or_ 900SS in your .sig.  Did I miss
something?
Beth
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Beth [The One True Beth] Dixon                   bethd@netcom.com
1981 Yamaha SR250 "Excitable Girl"                      DoD #0384
1979 Yamaha SR500 "Spike the Garage Rat"             FSSNOC #1843
1992 Ducati 750SS                                     AMA #631903
1963 Ducati 250 Monza -- restoration project         1KQSPT = 1.8
"I can keep a handle on anything just this side of deranged."
-- ZZ Top
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From: erika@znext.cts.com (erik astrup)
Subject: Re: Choking Ninja Problem
Organization: pnet
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
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starr@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
: I need help with my '85 ZX900A, I put Supertrapp slip-on's on it and
: had the carbs re-jetted to match a set of K&N filters that replaced
: the stock airbox.
Ahh, and just how were the carbs rejeted to "match" the changes
you made to the bike? A stage three kit from K/N or Dynojet?
: Now I have a huge flat spot in the carburation at : about 5 thousand RPM
in most any gear.
Isn't rejetting fun?
: This is especially frustrating
: on the highway, the bike likes to cruise at about 80mph which happens
: to be 5,0000 RPM in sixth gear.  I've had it "tuned" and this doesn't
: seem to help.  I am thinking about new carbs or the injection system
: from a GPz 1100.  Does anyone have any suggestions for a fix besides
: restoring it to stock?
:
New CARBS??? Why would that fix it? you still have to get the
jetting right to match what seems to be a extremely overly lean condition.
You added a more free flowing exhaust, and then higher flowing filters.
Chances are it's to lean. BUT! This may not be,that's the big fun with
carb tuning. It's _very_ tricky.
Your one and only choice (unless you want to spend many hours
fiddling with the carbs) is to take it to a guy witha  Dyno and have he
tune the carbs for your current set up. Otherwise you'll be playing
a guessing game for a long time...
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Erik Astrup                  AFM #422                              DoD #683
1993 CBR 900RR  *  1990 CBR 600  *  1990 Concours  *  1989 Ninja 250
"This one goes to eleven" - Nigel Tufnel, lead guitar, Spinal Tap
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From: erika@znext.cts.com (erik astrup)
Subject: Re: Long lasting tires for small bike.
Organization: pnet
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wsh8z@amsun29.apma.Virginia.EDU (Will Heyman) writes:
: no rear tires as small as 110/90. There are some fronts though.
So get a 120/90 instead. Is there anything that size?
: Any other recomendations?
:
Call the tire companies yourself and tell them what you have.
They can make recomendations for you. That's your best bet. Check a biker
magazine (Cycle World etc) for phone numbers.
It's possible there are no other tires available though.
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Erik Astrup                  AFM #422                              DoD #683
1993 CBR 900RR  *  1990 CBR 600  *  1990 Concours  *  1989 Ninja 250
"This one goes to eleven" - Nigel Tufnel, lead guitar, Spinal Tap
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From: declrckd@rtsg.mot.com (Dan J. Declerck)
Subject: Re: edu breaths
Nntp-Posting-Host: corolla17
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
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In article <1993Apr15.221024.5926@rtsg.mot.com> svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) writes:
>In article <1993Apr15.214910.5676@rtsg.mot.com> declrckd@rtsg.mot.com (Dan J. Declerck) writes:
>|In article <1993Apr15.003749.15710@rtsg.mot.com> svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) writes:
>|>In article <1993Apr14.220252.14731@rtsg.mot.com> declrckd@rtsg.mot.com (Dan J. Declerck) writes:
>|>|
>|>|The difference of opinion, and difference in motorcycling between the sport-bike
>|>|riders and the cruiser-bike riders.
>|>
>|>That difference is only in the minds of certain closed-minded individuals.  I
>|>have had the very best motorcycling times with riders of "cruiser"
>|>bikes (hi Don, Eddie!), yet I ride anything but.
>|
>|Continuously, on this forum, and on the street, you find quite a difference
>|between the opinions of what motorcycling is to different individuals.
>
>Yes, yes, yes.  Motorcycling is slightly different to each and every one of us.  This
>is the nature of people, and one of the beauties of the sport.
>
>|Cruiser-bike riders have a different view of motorcycling than those of sport bike riders
>|(what they like and dislike about motorcycling). This is not closed-minded.
>
>And what view exactly is it that every single rider of cruiser bikes holds, a veiw
>that, of course, no sport-bike rider could possibly hold?  Please quantify your
>generalization for us.  Careful, now, you're trying to pigeonhole a WHOLE bunch
>of people.
>
That plastic bodywork is useless. That torque, and an upright riding position is
better than a slightly or radically forward riding position combined with a high-rpm
low torque motor.
To a cruiser-motorcyclist, chrome has some importance. To sport-bike motorcyclists
chrome has very little impact on buying choice.
Unless motivated solely by price, these are the criteria each rider uses to select
the vehicle of choice.
To ignore these, as well as other criteria, would be insensitive. In other words,
no one motorcycle can fufill the requirements that a sport-bike rider and a cruiser
rider may have.(sometimes it's hard for *any* motorcycle to fufill a person's requirements)
You're fishing for flames, Dave.
This difference of opinion is analogous to the difference
between Sports-car owners, and luxury-car owners.
This is a moot conversation.
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=> Dan DeClerck                        | EMAIL: declrckd@rtsg.mot.com     <=
=> Motorola Cellular APD               |                                  <=
=>"Friends don't let friends wear neon"| Phone: (708) 632-4596            <=
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From: coburnn@spot.Colorado.EDU (Nicholas S. Coburn)
Subject: Re: Shipping a bike
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Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
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In article <1qkhrm$7go@agate.berkeley.edu> manish@uclink.berkeley.edu (Manish Vij) writes:
>
>Can someone recommend how to ship a motorcycle from San Francisco
>to Seattle?  And how much might it cost?
>
>I remember a thread on shipping.  If someone saved the instructions
>on bike prep, please post 'em again, or email.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Manish
Step 1) Join the AMA (American Motorcycling Association).  Call 1-800-AMA-JOIN.
Step 2) After you become a member, they will ship your bike, UNCRATED to
just about anywhere across the fruited plain for a few hundred bucks.
I have used this service and have been continually pleased.  They usually
only take a few days for the whole thing, and you do not have to prepare
the bike in any way (other than draining the gas).  Not to mention that
it is about 25% of the normal shipping costs (by the time you crate a bike
and ship it with another company, you can pay around $1000)
________________________________________________________________________
Nick Coburn                     DoD#6425                      AMA#679817
'88CBR1000              '89CBR600
coburnn@spot.colorado.edu
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From: karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr)
Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this!
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
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In article <C5Joz9.HLn@cup.hp.com> Chris Steinbroner <hesh@cup.hp.com> writes:
>Wm. L. Ranck (ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu) wrote:
>: As a new BMW owner I was thinking about signing up for the MOA, but
>: right now it is beginning to look suspiciously like throwing money
>: down a rathole.
>
>[...] i'm going to
>let my current membership lapse when it's
>up for renewal.
>
>-- hesh
In my case that's not for another 3+ years, so I'd appreciate any
hints on what will keep the organization in business that long.  (And
preferably longer, of course, and worth being part of.)
-- David Karr (karr@cs.cornell.edu)
From: jamesf@apple.com (Jim Franklin)
Subject: Re: Tracing license plates of BDI cagers?
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
Lines: 19
In article <1993Apr8.202746.12159@adobe.com>, cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis
Jackson) wrote:
>
> Good advice, of course. Thanks, Hesh. Time to go back for a Zen
> refresher course.
>
> "Imagine you are a lily, gently floating in a still, darkened pool."
And some BDC in a Volvo comes careening off the freeway and lands on top of
you in said pool. You can't win.
jim
*   Jim Franklin * jamesf@apple.com        Jim Bob & Sons                 *
* 1987 Cagiva Alazzurra 650         |    .signature remodling       *
* 1969 Triumph 650 (slalom champ) |     Low price$ Quality workman-     *
* DoD #469               KotP(un) |               ship       *
Call today for free estimit
From: jbourgui@ucs.indiana.edu (Opso Lopso)
Subject: need help getting saddle bags!!
Nntp-Posting-Host: jh224-695078.ucs.indiana.edu
Organization: Indiana University
Lines: 15
hey... I'm pretty new to the wonderful world of motorcycles... I just
bought
a used 81 Kaw KZ650 CSR from a friend.... I was just wondering what kind of
saddle bags I could get for it (since I know nothing about them)  are there
bags for the gas tank?  how much would some cost, and how much do they
hold?
thanks for your advice!!!  I may be new to riding, but I love it
already!!!!
:)
-----
jbourgui@ucs.indiana.edu
(DoD #55,555)
From: montasmm@ntmtv.com (Medi Montaseri)
Subject: Saddle bags and helmets for sale...
Originator: montasmm@nmtvs299
Nntp-Posting-Host: nmtvs299
Reply-To: montasmm@ntmtv.com (Medi Montaseri)
Organization: Northern Telecom Inc, Mountain View, CA
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I'm selling the following items...
- a pair of hard saddle bags
- easy installation
- snap release feature with lock
- black
- brand is Krusures
- two oshi full face helmets
take all for $275
These are comming off of my bike that I'm selling, maybe
you could use the whole thing, bike and accessories.
1983 Yamaha, vision 550
call Medi @ work (415) 940-2306
home (408) 744-1169
Thanks
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| Medi Montaseri	montasmm@ntmtv.com 		|
| 			...{ames.mcdcup}!ntmtv!montasmm	|
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Subject: Re: Observation re: helmets
From: dev2@inform.co.nz (Michael Seales)
Organization: InForm Group Ltd.
Lines: 23
In article <211353@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com>, maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:
>
>  Grf. Dropped my Shoei RF-200 off the seat of my bike while trying to rock
> it onto it's centerstand, chipped the heck out of the paint on it...
CONGRAULATIONS !!!! Your helmet just passed the Snell Test.
>  So I cheerfully spent $.59 on a bottle of testor's model paint and
> repainted the scratches and chips for 20 minutes.
Oh well, as least it looks ok now. Still, it may not save your head as well
as before you dropped it.
Mike
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# Inform Group Ltd.     DoD #0793                 #
# Level 8 DB Tower                                #
# 111 The Terrace    Email: homer@inform.co.nz    #
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From: gunning@cco.caltech.edu (Kevin J. Gunning)
Subject: stolen CBR900RR
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: alumni.caltech.edu
Summary: see above
Stolen from Pasadena between 4:30 and 6:30 pm on 4/15.
Blue and white Honda CBR900RR california plate KG CBR.   Serial number
JH2SC281XPM100187, engine number 2101240.
No turn signals or mirrors, lights taped over for track riders session
at Willow Springs tomorrow.  Guess I'll miss it.  :-(((
Help me find my baby!!!
kjg
From: mellon@ncd.com (Ted Lemon)
Subject: Re: Shipping a bike
Organization: Network Computing Devices, Inc.
Lines: 14
NNTP-Posting-Host: pepper.ncd.com
In-reply-to: manish@uclink.berkeley.edu's message of 15 Apr 93 20:51:02 GMT
>Can someone recommend how to ship a motorcycle from San Francisco
>to Seattle?  And how much might it cost?
I'd recommend that you hop on the back of it and cruise - that's a
really nice ride, if you choose your route with any care at all.
Shouldn't cost more than about $30 in gas, and maybe a night's motel
bill...
_MelloN_
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mellon@ncd.com						uunet!lupine!mellon
Member of the League for Programming Freedom.   To find out how software
patents may cost you your right to program, contact lpf@uunet.uu.net
From: cbrooks@ms.uky.edu (Clayton Brooks)
Subject: Re: V-max handling request
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Lines: 13
bradw@Newbridge.COM (Brad Warkentin) writes:
>............. Seriously, handling is probably as good as the big standards
>of the early 80's but not compareable to whats state of the art these days.
I think you have to go a little further back.
This opinion comes from riding CB750's GS1000's KZ1300's and a V-Max.
I find no enjoyment in riding a V-Max fast on a twisty road.
--
Clayton T. Brooks       _,,-^`--.   From the heart          cbrooks@ms.uky.edu
722 POT U o'Ky    .__,-'    *    \   of the blue           cbrooks@ukma.bitnet
Lex. KY 40506   _/              ,/    grass and   {rutgers,uunet}!ukma!cbrooks
606-257-6807   (__,-----------''   bourbon country    AMA NMA MAA AMS ACBL DoD
From: Mark Crispin <mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU>
Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this!
Organization: University of Washington
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Can I resign BMW MOA and get the remainder of my 5-year membership refunded?
From: mmanning@icomsim.com (Michael Manning)
Subject: Re: Riceburner Respect
Organization: Icom Simulations
Lines: 27
In article <oXZ12B1w164w@cellar.org> craig@cellar.org (Saint Craig)
writes:
> shz@mare.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude) writes:
>
>  No anyone who is a "true" rider with the real riding
>  attitude will offer a wave, weather they are on a Harley
>  or on a Honda or some other bike, inless they have a
>  serious case of my bike is better than your and you're
>  too low to be acknowleged. This you'll find is the case
>  with most of the harley riders out here where I am,
>  however I still give them a wave, and ride secure in the
>  knowlege that I'm a better persob than they are.
^^^^^^
perSOB, I kinda like that
Most people wave or return my wave when I'm on my Harley.
Other Harley riders seldom wave back to me when I'm on my
duck. Squids don't wave, or return waves ever, even to each
other, from what I can tell.
--
Michael Manning
mmanning@icomsim.com (NeXTMail accepted.)
`92 FLSTF FatBoy
`92 Ducati 900SS
From: jamesf@apple.com (Jim Franklin)
Subject: Re: Tracing license plates of BDI cagers?
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
Lines: 30
In article <1993Apr09.182821.28779@i88.isc.com>, jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan
E. Quist) wrote:
>
> You could file a complaint for dangerous operation of a motor vehicle,
> and sign it.  Be willing to show up in court if it comes to it.
No... you can do this? Really? The other morning I went to do a lane change
on the freeway and looked in my mirror, theer was a car there, but far
enough behind. I looked again about 3-5 seconds later, car still in same
position, i.e. not accelerating. I triple check with a head turn and decide
I have plenty of room, so I do it, accelerating. I travel about 1/4 mile
staying ~200
feet off teh bumper of the car ahead, and I do a casual mirror check. This
guy is RIGHT on my tail, I mean you couldn't stick a hair between my tire &
his fender. I keep looking in the mirror at him a,d slowly let off teh
throttle. He stays there until I had lost about 15mph and then comes around
me and cuts me off big time. I follow him for about 10 miles and finally
get bored and turn back into work.
I can file a complaint about this? And actually have the chance to have
something done? How? Who? Where?
jim
*   Jim Franklin * jamesf@apple.com        Jim Bob & Sons                 *
* 1987 Cagiva Alazzurra 650         |    .signature remodling       *
* 1969 Triumph 650 (slalom champ) |     Low price$ Quality workman-     *
* DoD #469               KotP(un) |               ship       *
Call today for free estimit
From: jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu (JACK ROGERS WATERS)
Subject: Re: GOT MY BIKE! (was Wanted: Advice on CB900C Purchase)
Keywords: CB900C, purchase, advice
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Lines: 33
In article <1993Apr15.215428.11116@research.nj.nec.com> behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:
>In article <1993Apr15.180644.25263@ll.mit.edu> jburnside@ll.mit.edu (jamie w burnside) writes:
>>( Sure is alot harder to load on a trailer than the KDX200 was. )  I should
>>be road legal tomorrow.  I am ignoring the afforementioned concerns about
>>the transmission and taking my chances.
>
>	There should be no worries about the trans.
>
>>Being a reletively new reader, I am quite impressed with all the usefull
>>info available on this newsgroup.  I would ask how to get my own DoD number,
>>but I'll probably be too busy riding ;-).
>
>	Does this count?
Yes.  He thought about it.
>
>$ cat dod.faq | mailx -s "HAHAHHA" jburnside@ll.mit.edu (waiting to press
>							 return...)
>
>Later,
>--
>Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
>behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
>Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC	  1991 ZX-11 - needs a name
>agree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.
Jack Waters II
DoD#1919
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~ afternoon, when I'm still asleep, that I worry about.                ~
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From: howard@netcom.com (Howard Berkey)
Subject: Re: Shipping a bike
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Lines: 23
In article <MELLON.93Apr15183059@pepper.ncd.com> mellon@ncd.com (Ted Lemon) writes:
>
>>Can someone recommend how to ship a motorcycle from San Francisco
>>to Seattle?  And how much might it cost?
>
>I'd recommend that you hop on the back of it and cruise - that's a
>really nice ride, if you choose your route with any care at all.
>Shouldn't cost more than about $30 in gas, and maybe a night's motel
>bill...
>
Yes!  Up the coast, over to Portland, then up I-5.  Really nice most
of the way, and I'm sure there's even better ways.
Watch the weather, though... I got about as good a drenching as
possible in the Oregon coast range once...
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Help!
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From: jet@netcom.Netcom.COM (J. Eric Townsend)
Subject: Re: Stolen  AARGHHHH.....
In-Reply-To: dam9543@ritvax.isc.rit.edu's message of Wed, 14 Apr 1993 21:53:17 GMT
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Service
Lines: 17
"dam9543" == dam9543  <dam9543@ritvax.isc.rit.edu> writes:
dam9543> 	I get back drom work today, look at me bike before
dam9543> proceding in-side.  I nearly shit, my new DRY RIDER cover is
dam9543> gone!  Barely two weeks old, and already gone, GOD-AM
Somebody stole my trashed old Honda red/white/blue cover off a
KZ440LTD in residential Palo Alto a couple of weeks ago.  The cover
had *holes* burnt in it around the exhaust, etc etc.  I figured it was
just kids, but maybe not...
--
jet@netcom.com -- J. Eric Townsend -- '92 R100R, DoD# (hafta kill you...)
This is my fun account -- work email goes to jet@nas.nasa.gov
"You got to put down the ducky if you wanna play saxophone."
Skate UNIX or die, boyo.
From: cbrooks@ms.uky.edu (Clayton Brooks)
Subject: Changing sprocket ratios (79 Honda CB750)
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Lines: 10
Do any Honda gurus know if I can replace the
the front sprocket on my 1979 Honda CB750K with a slightly larger one?
(I see this as being preferable to reducing the size of the rear one)
Just wanting ride at a more relaxed RPM.
--
Clayton T. Brooks       _,,-^`--.   From the heart          cbrooks@ms.uky.edu
722 POT U o'Ky    .__,-'    *    \   of the blue           cbrooks@ukma.bitnet
Lex. KY 40506   _/              ,/    grass and   {rutgers,uunet}!ukma!cbrooks
606-257-6807   (__,-----------''   bourbon country    AMA NMA MAA AMS ACBL DoD
From: static@iat.holonet.net (Joe Ehrlich)
Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this!
Organization: HoloNet National Internet Access System: 510-704-1058/modem
Lines: 19
Oh boy, a little K-bike versus /2 scuffling? Grow up! And that goes for
the both of you!
I do hope that the "dump dempster" campaign works however.
I think that he is a crook, and I am suprised that it has taken this long
for anything to be done (though obviously, it ain't over yet)
On the other hand,
I'm not sure that I want to be in bed with ANY of the wackos running.
Throwing $20.oo down a rathole might be more effective than sending it in
to the club. You wouldn't get anything, but you don't get anything now.
The magazine you say? Ever since the MOA politburo installed Don it has
lacked any sort of panache it may have had.
Ah, but what would I know? I own a /6 AND a K-bike
static
MOA 20297
From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine)
Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post
Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division
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In article <1993Apr15.200857.10631@adobe.com> cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes:
>
>So perhaps it is only *some* waterski bikes on which one countersteers...
A Sea Doo is a boat. It turns by changing the angle of the duct behind the
propeller. A waterski bike looks like a motorcycle but has a ski where each
wheel should be. Its handlebars are connected through a familiar looking
steering head to the front ski. It handles like a motorcycle.
I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada
From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: Ed must be a Daemon Child!!
Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc.
Distribution: usa
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In article <bethdC5JuL2.L9@netcom.com> bethd@netcom.com (Beth Dixon) writes:
>In article <1993Apr14.133413.1499@research.nj.nec.com> behanna@syl.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:
>>In article <bethdC5G0H6.I48@netcom.com> bethd@netcom.com (Beth Dixon) writes:
>>>Bzzzzt.  It was me.  Until I discovered my SR250 Touring Bike has a
>>>nifty little cache on it for things like coins or lipstick.  The
>>>new Duc 750SS doesn't, so I'll have to go back to carrying my lipstick
>>>in my jacket pocket.  Life is _so_ hard.  :-)
>>
>>	Am I the only denizen who thinks that the Natural Look is the best
>>look?  The thought of kissing that waxy shit smeared all over a woman's lips
>>is a definite turn-off...
>So does clear lipstick/chapstick/etc. fit under the "natural look" or
>the "waxy shit" category?  I wear something on my lips to keep them from
>drying out.  Kissing dry, cracked, parched lips isn't too fun either.
Agreed, but, yes, chapstick fits under the "waxy shit" category,
although I've noticed that stealing Annette's chapstick (after she's
applied it :-) kept my lips from cracking this past winter like they have
in all previous winters.  Sigh...the price I must pay...
>>	Not that I'll ever be kissing Beth or Noemi... ;-)
>Not if Tom has anything to say about it you won't!  Noemi speaks for
>herself.
So does my darling Annette (okay, I guess you can ready the
barf bags now :-)
Later,
--
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC	  1991 ZX-11 - needs a name
agree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.
From: garym@cycle.mentorg.com (Gary Myron)
Subject: Re: Shipping a bike
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> Can someone recommend how to ship a motorcycle from San Francisco
> to Seattle?  And how much might it cost?
I shipped my K75S from Portland Oregon to Daytona for this years
bike week (I rode it back!).  The company I used is The Federal Co's.
You can reach them at 1-800-747-4100 ex 214.  You either have to be
a AMA member, or maybe it is just a discount for AMA, not sure.
(Call 1-800-AMA-JOIN to become an AMA member)
The shipping cost is based on the number of miles.  It cost me about $500
for Portland to Orlando.  $80 of that was insurance.  All I had to do is
ride it to the shipping dock and siphon the gas out.  I think they can
also pick up the bike from any business.  The bike arrived on-time at
Orlando.  All I had to do was adjust the mirrors and add gas.  The bike
was in perfect shape!
--Gary
Subject: Re: Bikes vs. Horses (was Re: insect impac
From: emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca
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Organization: Robert Smits
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cooper@mprgate.mpr.ca (Greg Cooper) writes:
> In article <1qeftj$d0i@sixgun.East.Sun.COM>, egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green -
> >In article sda@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu, ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturde
> >>
> >>	Only exceptional ones like me. Average ones like you can barely fart
> >>by themselves.
> >
> >Fuck you very much, Mike.
> >
>
> Gentlemen _please_.
> --
Greg's obviously confused. There aren't many (any) gentlemen on this
newsgroup. Well, maybe. One or two.
Robert Smits Ladysmith BC  | If Lucas built weapons, wars
emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca      | would never start, either.
From: C70A000 <C70A@UNB.CA>
Subject: RE: Recommendation for a front tire.
Lines: 15
Organization: The University of New Brunswick
In article <1qfkqhINN1s7@rodan.UU.NET> smm@rodan.UU.NET (Steve Mansfield) writes:
>Yes, my front tire is all but dead.  It has minimal tread left, so it's
>time for a new one.  Any recommendations on a good tire in front?  I'm
>riding on an almost brand new ME55A in back.
Stick an ME33 on the front.  I've got a Laser on the front of my GPz,
and it has been a fantastic tire.  Best front tire I've ever had.
+------------------------------------------------------------------+
|      Graeme Weir   DoD #9191   Fido 1:255/14.4  C70A@UNB.CA      |
|       University of New Brunswick, Fredericton, NB, Canada       |
|             Damn the box jockeys!  FULL SPEED AHEAD!             |
|                  Live to Flame -- Flame to Live                  |
|      '84 GPz 1100, '76 KZ900, '76 KZ750, '91 Trek 8000 MTB       |
+------------------------------------------------------------------+
From: infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante)
Subject: Re: LONG TRIPS
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In article <18859.1076.uupcb@freddy.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> mark.harrison@freddy.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Mark Harrison) writes:
>I am new to motorcycliing (i.e. Don't even have a bike yet) and will be
>going on a long trip from Edmonton to Vancouver. Any tips on bare
>essentials for the trip? Tools, clothing, emergency repairs...?
Er, without a bike (Ed, maybe you ought to respond to this...), how
you gonna get there?
If yer going by cage, what's this got to do with r.m?
>
>I am also in the market for a used cycle. Any tips on what to look for
>so I don't get burnt?
>
>Much appreciated
>Mark
>
Maybe somebody oughta gang-tool-FAQ this guy, hmmm?
--
Andy Infante  | You can listen to what everybody says, but the fact remains   |
'71 BMW R60/5 | that you've got to get out there and do the thing yourself.   |
DoD #2426     |                             -- Joan Sutherland                |
==============| My opinions, dammit, have nothing to do with anyone else!!!   |
From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Re: How to act in front of traffic jerks
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
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nielsmm@imv.aau.dk (Niels Mikkel Michelsen) writes:
>Did I do the right thing?
Denmark, eh?  Should have taken a short sword and cleaved his car
in half.  Since I assume you didn't have a short sword on you,
I certainly have no problems with your choice of substitute action.
< Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu >
<  ISU only censors what I read, not what I say.  Don't blame them.  >
<     USENET: Post to exotic, distant machines.  Meet exciting,      >
<                 unusual people.  And flame them.                   >
From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Re: Boom! Dog attack!
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
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ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau)  writes:
>Riding up the hill leading to my
>house, I encountered a liver-and-white Springer Spaniel (no relation to
>the Springer Softail, or the Springer Spagthorpe, a close relation to
>the Spagthorpe Viking).
I must have missed the article on the Spagthorpe Viking.  Was
that the one with the little illuminated Dragon's Head on the front
fender, a style later copied by Indian, and the round side covers?
[accident deleted]
>What worries me about the accident is this: I don't think I could have
>prevented it except by traveling much slower than I was. This is not
>necessarily an unreasonable suggestion for a residential area, but I was
>riding around the speed limit.
You can forget this line of reasoning.  When an animal
decides to take you, there's nothing you can do about it.  It has
something to do with their genetics.  I was putting along at a
mere 20mph or so, gravel road with few loose rocks on it (as in,
just like bad concrete), and 2200lbs of swinging beef jumped a
fence, came out of the ditch, and rammed me!  When I saw her jump
the fence I went for the gas, since she was about 20 feet ahead
of me but a good forty to the side.  Damn cow literally chased me
down and nailed me.  No damage to cow, a bent case guard and a
severely annoyed rider were the only casualties.  If I had my
shotgun I'd still be eating steak.  Nope, if 2200lbs of cow
can hit me when I'm actively evading, forget a much more
manueverable dog.  Just run them over.
< Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu >
<  ISU only censors what I read, not what I say.  Don't blame them.  >
<     USENET: Post to exotic, distant machines.  Meet exciting,      >
<                 unusual people.  And flame them.                   >
From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Re: Flashing anyone?
Keywords: flashing
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
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behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:
>>Just before arriving at a toll booth I
>>switch the hazards on.  I do thisto warn other motorists that I will
>>be taking longer than the 2 1/2 seconds to make the transaction.
>>My question, is this a good/bad thing to do?
>	This sounds like a VERY good thing to do.
I'll second that.  In addition, I find my hazards to be more
often used than my horn.  At speeds below 40mph on the interstates,
quite common in mountains with trucks, some states require flashers.
In rural areas, flashers let the guy behind you know there is a tractor
with a rather large implement behind it in the way.  Use them whenever
you need to communicate that things will deviate from the norm.
>--
>Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
>behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
>Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC	  1991 ZX-11 - needs a name
Is that ZX-11 painted green?  Since the green Triumph 650 that
a friend owned was sold off, her name is now free for adoption.  How
does the name "Thunderpickle" grab you?
< Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu >
<  ISU only censors what I read, not what I say.  Don't blame them.  >
<     USENET: Post to exotic, distant machines.  Meet exciting,      >
<                 unusual people.  And flame them.                   >
From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Re: V-max handling request
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
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In <1993Apr15.222224.1@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg> ba7116326@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg writes:
>ican anyone who has handson experience on riding the Yamaha v-max, pls kindly
>comment on its handling .
The V-max goes in a strait line like shit shrough a goose.
In the corners, I'd rather ride a Honda 305 Dream.
< Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu >
<  ISU only censors what I read, not what I say.  Don't blame them.  >
<     USENET: Post to exotic, distant machines.  Meet exciting,      >
<                 unusual people.  And flame them.                   >
From: jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: Bikes vs. Horses (was Re: insect impacts f
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In article <txd.734810267@Able.MKT.3Com.Com> txd@ESD.3Com.COM (Tom Dietrich) writes:
>>In a previous article, egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) says:
[lots of things, none of which are quoted here]
>>>In article rgu@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu, ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant) writes:
>>>  You think your *average* dirt biker can jump
>>>a 3 foot log?
>
>How about an 18" log that is suspended about 18" off of the ground?
>For that matter, how about a 4" log that is suspended 2.5' off of the
>ground?
Oh, ye of little imagination.
You don't jump over those - that's where you lay the bike down and slide under!
--
Jonathan E. Quist        jeq@lachman.com       Lachman Technology, Incorporated
DoD #094, KotPP, KotCF '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep"                 Naperville, IL
__       There's nothing quite like the pitter-patter of little feet,
\/                   followed by the words "Daddy!  Yay!"
From: robert@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Robert Kennedy)
Subject: Battery storage -- why not charge and store dry?
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
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So it looks like I'm going to have to put a couple of bikes in storage
for a few months, starting several months from now, and I'm already
contemplating how to do it so they're as easy to get going again as
possible. I have everything under control, I think, besides the
batteries. I know that if I buy a $50.00 Battery Tender for each one
and leave them plugged in the whole time the bikes are in storage,
they'll be fine. But I'm not sure that's necessary. I've never heard
anyone discussing this idea, so maybe there's some reason why it isn't
so great. But maybe someone can tell me.
Would it be a mistake to fully charge the batteries, drain the
electrolyte into separate containers (one for each battery), seal the
container, close up the batteries, and leave them that way? Then it
would seem that when the bikes come out of storage, I could put the
electrolyte back in the batteries and they should still be fully
charged. What's wrong with this?
On a related, but different note for you Bay Area Denizens, wasn't
there someone who had a bunch of spare EDTA a few months back? Who was
it? Is there still any of it left?
Thanks for any and all help!
-- Robert
From: jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: Should liability insurance be required?
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In article <1993Apr14.215154.20143@Newbridge.COM> bradw@Newbridge.COM (Brad Warkentin) writes:
>In article <1993Apr14.144151.11137@rtsg.mot.com> svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) writes:
>>(Sorry, I lost the attributions.
>>|In most areas, drivers are required to show proof of financial
>>|responsibility, which usually means insurance.
>>
>>Required how?  When they get pulled over?  Most drivers, bellyaching on the
>>net aside, don't get pulled over and checked.  The laws are enforceable
>>only after the fact, in which case often somebody is out a lot of money.
>
>Don't you have any requirement for yearly plate stickers in the US???? In
>Ontario and Manitoba for sure and the other provinces (i think) you have
>to show proof of insurnace when you renew your plate (ie get a new sticker).
Yes.  Unfortunately, there is also the concept that the owner of a car
is not responsible for the actions of any (authorized) user of the car.
That's one of the biggest arguments against photo-radar ticketing
systems.
>You also get to pay all outstanding tickets. They even have cross province
>agreements (at least between Ontario and Quebec) so that unpaid tickets in
>the other province are on record. No having an up to date sticker is a) bad
Trouble with that is, you then have no recourse if a mis-issued ticket
or a clerical error on a computer follow you around.  The City of Chicago
(the informal motto of which being "The City the Works") issues dozens
of parking tickets each year to people who have never set foot (or tire)
in the city.
--
Jonathan E. Quist        jeq@lachman.com       Lachman Technology, Incorporated
DoD #094, KotPP, KotCF '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep"                 Naperville, IL
__       There's nothing quite like the pitter-patter of little feet,
\/                   followed by the words "Daddy!  Yay!"
From: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca
Subject: Fortune-guzzler barred from bars!
Organization: BC Systems Corporation
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Saw this in today's newspaper:
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FORTUNE-GUZZLER BARRED FROM BARS
--------------------------------
Barnstaple, England/Reuter
A motorcyclist said to have drunk away a $290,000 insurance payment in
less than 10 years was banned Wednesday from every pub in England and Wales.
David Roberts, 29, had been awarded the cash in compensation for
losing a leg in a motorcycle accident. He spent virtually all of it on cider, a
court in Barnstaple in southwest England was told.
Judge Malcolm Coterill banned Roberts from all bars in England and
Wales for 12 months and put on two years' probation after he started a brawl in
a pub.
--
Bruce Clarke       B.C. Environment
e-mail: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca
From: robert@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Robert Kennedy)
Subject: Solar battery chargers -- any good?
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Lines: 12
I've seen solar battery boosters, and they seem to come without any
guarantee. On the other hand, I've heard that some people use them
with success, although I have yet to communicate directly with such a
person. Have you tried one? What was your experience? How did you use
it (occasional charging, long-term leave-it-for-weeks, etc.)?
-- Robert Kennedy
Robert Kennedy					(415) 723-4532 (office)
robert@cs.stanford.edu				(415) 322-7367 (home voice)
Computer Science Dept., Stanford University	(415) 322-7329 (home tty)
From: jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: Please Gentlemen
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In article <5036@cvbnetPrime.COM> tjohnson@tazmanian.prime.com (Tod Johnson (617) 275-1800 x2317) writes:
>In article <18843.1076.uupcb@freddy.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> grant.barkwell@freddy.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Grant Barkwell) writes:
>>
>>CP>Too my certain knowledge, simply posessing a motorcycle
>>CP>can get you "laid".
>>
>>True! Oh so very thankfully true!
>
>Gentlemen;
>
>	Please do us all a rather appropriate favor and excuse the
>comments about your sexual fortunes on the net. It is hardly an
Tod, I think you've misspoke.  If they're banking on owning a motorcycle
to get them laid, then I doubt they have sexual fortunes.  Quite the
reverse...
--
Jonathan E. Quist        jeq@lachman.com       Lachman Technology, Incorporated
DoD #094, KotPP, KotCF '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep"                 Naperville, IL
__       There's nothing quite like the pitter-patter of little feet,
\/                   followed by the words "Daddy!  Yay!"
From: jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: Happy Easter!
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In article <1993Apr15.071740.17850@hasler.ascom.ch> kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch writes:
>BA were trying to sell RR to BMW - even tested a BMW V16 in a Corniche!! I
>think it will remain British for the time being - until BA get hard up
>anyway!
Rolls-Royce owned by a non-British firm?
Ye Gods, that would be the end of civilization as we know it.
--
Jonathan E. Quist        jeq@lachman.com       Lachman Technology, Incorporated
DoD #094, KotPP, KotCF '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep"                 Naperville, IL
__       There's nothing quite like the pitter-patter of little feet,
\/                   followed by the words "Daddy!  Yay!"
From: tjohnson@tazmanian.prime.com (Tod Johnson (617) 275-1800 x2317)
Subject: Re: Live Free, but Quietly, or Die
Distribution: The entire Nugent family
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In article <1qc2fu$c1r@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
>Loud pipes are a biligerent exercise in ego projection,
No arguements following, just the facts.
I was able to avoid an accident by revving my engine and having my
*stock* Harley pipes make enough noise to draw someones attention.
I instinctively revved my engine before I went for my horn. Don't know
why, but I did it and it worked. Thats rather important.
I am not saying "the louder the pipes the better". My Harley is loud
and it gets me noticed on the road for that reason. I personally do
not feel it is to loud. If you do, well thats to bad; welcome to
America - "Home of the Free, Land of the Atlanta Braves".
If you really want a fine tuned machine like our federal government
to get involved and pass Db restrictions; it should be generous
enough so that a move like revving your engine will get you noticed.
Sure there are horns but my hand is already on the throttle. Should we
get into how many feet a bike going 55mph goes in .30 seconds; or
how long it would take me to push my horn button??
And aren't you the guy that doesn't even have a bike???
Tod J. Johnson
DoD #883
"Go Slow, Take Geritol"
From: infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante)
Subject: Re: Should liability insurance be required?
Distribution: usa
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.
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In article <1993Apr14.125209.21247@walter.bellcore.com> fist@iscp.bellcore.com (Richard Pierson) writes:
>Lets get this "No Fault" stuff straight, I lived in NJ
>when NF started, my rates went up, ALOT. Moved to PA
>and my rates went down ALOT, the NF came to PA and it
>was a different story. If you are sitting in a parking
>lot having lunch or whatever and someone wacks you guess
>whose insurance pays for it ? give up ?  YOURS.
Only if you have a weeny insurance company. Unless it's
some stupid PA law.  I know that if some jerk hits me while
I'm in a parking lot, if my insruance company doesn't sue
his (or his doesn't immediately say, 'Yes, it's his fault')
I'll sure him myself and tell my insurance company to go to
hell if they raise my rates.
--
Andy Infante  | You can listen to what everybody says, but the fact remains   |
'71 BMW R60/5 | that you've got to get out there and do the thing yourself.   |
DoD #2426     |                             -- Joan Sutherland                |
==============| My opinions, dammit, have nothing to do with anyone else!!!   |
From: jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: GGRRRrrr!! Cages double-parking motorc
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In article <1qjmf6$d0i@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
>In article 34211@castle.ed.ac.uk, wbg@festival.ed.ac.uk (W Geake) writes:
>>
>>Ultra sticky labels printed with your
>>favourite curse are good - even our local hospitals use them instead of
>>wheel clamps, putting one (about A5 size) on each window of the cage.
>
>An apartment complex where I used to live tried this, only they put the
>thing over the driver's window, "so they couldn't miss it."  A friend
>damned near wrecked on the way home one night, her vision blocked by
>the sticker.  I suggested to the manager the ENORMOUS liability they
>were assuming by pulling that stunt.  She claimed it was the driver who
>was at fault for illegally parking in the first place.  That would
>probably be good for a laugh or two in court, before they found her
>liable for $Serious.
>
>Be careful about putting stickers on cages' windows.
Yeah, make darn sure you cover all the glass, so the driver can't
reasonably expect to be able to drive with the things on the car.
--
Jonathan E. Quist        jeq@lachman.com       Lachman Technology, Incorporated
DoD #094, KotPP, KotCF '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep"                 Naperville, IL
__       There's nothing quite like the pitter-patter of little feet,
\/                   followed by the words "Daddy!  Yay!"
From: mblock@reed.edu (Matt Block)
Subject: Re: Fortune-guzzler barred from bars!
Article-I.D.: reed.1993Apr16.104158.27890
Organization: Reed College, Portland, Oregon
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bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca writes:
>Saw this in today's newspaper:
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>FORTUNE-GUZZLER BARRED FROM BARS
>--------------------------------
>Barnstaple, England/Reuter
>
>	A motorcyclist said to have drunk away a $290,000 insurance payment in
>less than 10 years was banned Wednesday from every pub in England and Wales.
>
>	David Roberts, 29, had been awarded the cash in compensation for
>losing a leg in a motorcycle accident. He spent virtually all of it on cider, a
>court in Barnstaple in southwest England was told.
>
>	Judge Malcolm Coterill banned Roberts from all bars in England and
>Wales for 12 months and put on two years' probation after he started a brawl in
>a pub.
Is there no JUSTICE?!
If I lost my leg when I was 19, and had to give up motorcycling
(assuming David didn't know that it can be done one-legged,) I too would want
to get swamped.... maybe even for ten years!  I'll admit, I'd probably prefer
homebrew to pubbrew, but still...
Judge Coterill is in some serious trouble, I can tell you that.  Any
chance you can get to him and convince him his ruling was backward, Nick?
Perhaps the lad deserved something for starting a brawl (bad form...
horribly bad form,) but for getting drunk?  That, I thought, was ones natural
born right!  And for spending his own money?  My goodness, who cares what one
does with one's own moolah, even if one spends it recklessly?
I'm ashamed of humanity.
Matt Block                  &         Koch
DoD#      #007			1980 Honda CB650
From: cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Dances With Federal Rangers)
Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this!
Organization: University of Virginia
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In article <1993Apr15.065731.23557@cs.cornell.edu> karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr) writes:
[riveting BMWMOA election soap-opera details deleted]
>Well, there doesn't seem to be any shortage of alternative candidates.
>Obviously you're not voting for Mr. Vechorik, but what about the
>others?
I'm going to buy a BMW just to cast a vote for Groucho.
Ride safe,
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|        Cliff Weston           DoD# 0598          '92 Seca II (Tem)       |
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|               This bike is in excellent condition.                       |
|               I've done all the work on it myself.                       |
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|                     -- Glen "CRASH" Stone                                |
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From: kirjy@strix.udac.uu.se (Jonathan Yuen)
Subject: Re: European M/C Insurance
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I moved to Sweden and I have to take all the tests again (written and
road) even though I had a valid US license for 12 some years...
Of course I became a resident, and could drive on my US license until
I became resident.  Don't know about Italy, it's different in the EEC.
From: rogerc@discovery.uk.sun.com (Roger Collier)
Subject: Re: Camping question?
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In article 10823@bnr.ca,  npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar) writes:
>
>Back in my youth (ahem) the wiffy and moi purchased a gadget which heated up
>water from a 12V source.  It was for car use but we thought we'd try it on my
>RD350B.  It worked OK apart from one slight problem: we had to keep the revs
>above 7000.  Any lower and the motor would die from lack of electron movement.
On my LC (RZ to any ex-colonists) I replaced the bolt at the bottom of the barrel
with a tap. When I wanted a coffee I could just rev the engine until boiling
and pour out a cup of hot water.
I used ethylene glycol as antifreeze rather than methanol as it tastes sweeter.
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From: jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu (JACK ROGERS WATERS)
Subject: Re: Aerostitch:  1- or 2-piece?
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
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In article <1993Apr14.144015.18175@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> na4@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
>Request for opinions:
>
>Which is better - a one-piece Aerostitch or a two-piece Aerostitch?
>
>
>We're looking for more than "Well, the 2-pc is more versatile, but the
>1-pc is better protection,..."
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Nadine
I would be scared of trying to fit the one piece.  When I got my
two piece, I got the jacket in 42 and the pants in 40 (just due
to my manly-man of an athletic build, kind of thing)  No laughing,
please.  Seriously, I'm not trim and the 42 pants would have
been way too big.  Also, I don't think the 1 piece does provide
better protection.  If I'm wrong, I'll be swiftly if ever so gently
correct by the net.pansies.of.knowledge (as they like to call themselves).
Regards
Jack Waters II
DoD#1919
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~ I don't fear the thief in the night.  Its the one that comes in the  ~
~ afternoon, when I'm still asleep, that I worry about.                ~
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From: mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith)
Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post
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leavitt@cs.umd.edu (Mr. Bill) writes:
>mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) writes:
>mjs>Also, IMHO, telling newbies about countersteering is, er, counter-productive
>mjs>cos it just confuses them. I rode around quite happily for 10 years
>mjs>knowing nothing about countersteering. I cannot say I ride any differently
>mjs>now that I know about it.
>I interpret this to mean that you're representative of every other
>motorcyclist in the world, eh Mike?  Rather presumptive of you!
IMHO = in my humble opinion!!
>leavitt@cs.umd.edu (Mr. Bill) writes:
>leavitt>The time to learn countersteering techniques is when you are first
>leavitt>starting to learn, before you develop any bad habits.  I rode for
>leavitt>five years before taking my first course (MSF ERC) and learning
>leavitt>about how to countersteer.  It's now eight years later, and I *still*
>leavitt>have to consciously tell myself "Don't steer, COUNTERsteer!"  Old
>leavitt>habits die hard, and bad habits even harder.
>mjs>Sorry Bill, but this is complete bollocks. You learned how to countersteer
>mjs>the first time you rode the bike, it's natural and intuitive.
>Sorry Mike, I'm not going to kick over the "can you _not_ countersteer
>over 5mph?" stone.  That one's been kicked around enough.  For the sake of
>argument, I'll concede that it's countersteering (sake of argument only).
>mjs>MSF did not teach you *how* to countersteer, it only told you what
>mjs>you were already doing.
>And there's no value in that?
I didn't say there was no value - all I said was that it is very confusing
to newbies.
> There's a BIG difference in: 1) knowing
>what's happening and how to make it do it, especially in the extreme
>case of an emergency swerve, and: 2) just letting the bike do whatever
>it does to make itself turn.  Once I knew precisely what was happening
>and how to make it do it abruptly and on command, my emergency avoidance
>abilities improved tenfold, not to mention a big improvement in my normal
>cornering ability.  I am much more proficient "knowing" how to countersteer
>the motorcycle rather than letting the motorcycle steer itself.  That is,
>when I *remember* to take cognitive command of the bike rather than letting
>it run itself through the corners.  Whereupon I return to my original
>comment - better to learn what's happening right from the start and how
>to take charge of it, rather than developing the bad habit of merely going
>along for the ride.
Bill, you are kidding yourself here. Firstly, motorcycles do not steer
themselves - only the rider can do that. Secondly, it is the adhesion of the
tyre on the road, the suspension geometry  and the ground clearance of the
motorcycle which dictate how quickly you can swerve to avoid obstacles, and
not the knowledge of physics between the rider's ears. Are you seriously
suggesting that countersteering knowledge enables you to corner faster
or more competentlY than you could manage otherwise??
>Mike, I'm extremely gratified for you that you have such a natural
>affinity and prowess for motorcycling that formal training was a total
>waste of time for you (assuming your total "training" hasn't come from
>simply from reading rec.motorcycles).  However, 90%+ of the motorcyclists
>I've discussed formal rider education with have regarded the experience
>as overwhelmingly positive.  This regardless of the amount of experience
>they brought into the course (ranging from 10 minutes to 10+ years).
Formal training in this country (as far as I am aware) does not include
countersteering theory.  I found out about countersteering about six years ago,
from a physics lecturer who was also a motorcyclist. I didn't believe him
at first when he said I steered my bike to the right to make it turn left,
but I went out and analysed closely what I was doing, and realized he was
right! It's an interesting bit of knowledge, and I've had a lot of fun since
then telling others about it, who were at first as sceptical as I was. But
that's all it is - an interesting bit of knowledge, and to claim that
it is essential for all bikers to know it, or that you can corner faster
or better as a result, is absurd.
Formal training is in my view absolutely essential if you're going to
be able to ride a bike properly and safely. But by including countersteering
theory in newbie courses we are confusing people unnecessarily, right at
the time when there are *far* more important matters for them to learn.
And that was my original point.
Mike
From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar)
Subject: Re: Drinking and Riding
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>Norman Hamer (maven@eskimo.com) wrote:
> What is a general rule of thumb for sobriety and cycling?  A couple of hours
> after you "feel" sober, or what?  Should I just work with "If I drink
> tonight, I don't ride until tomorrow"?
I generally find that after two or three decent hits of nitrous, my riding
improves enormously.  Drinking is silly, your breath smells, it costs lots
of money and the pigs can detect it with their machines.  NO2 works for me,
try it.
Nick (the like wow, um, far out, er, Biker)   DoD 1069   Concise um errr....
M'like um, er Lud.
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From: charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith)
Subject: Re: Where's The Oil on my K75 Going?
Organization: Why do you suspect that?
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In article <C5DLvo.6J@skates.gsfc.nasa.gov> tim@intrepid.gsfc.nasa.gov (Tim Seiss) writes:
>
>  After both oil changes, the oil level was at the top mark in the
>window on the lower right side of the motor, but I've been noticing
>that the oil level seen in the window gradually decreases over the
>miles.  I'm always checking the window with the bike on level ground
>and after it has sat idle for awhile, so the oil has a chance to drain
>back into the pan.  The bike isn't leaking oil any place, and I don't
>see any smoke coming out of the exhaust.
>
>  My owner's manual says the amount of oil corresponding to the
>high and low marks in the oil level window is approx. .5 quart.  It
>looks like my bike has been using about .25 quarts/1000 miles.  The
>owner's manual also gives a figure for max. oil consumption of about
>.08oz/mile or .15L/100km.
>
>  My question is whether the degree of "oil consumption" I'm seeing on
>my bike is normal?  Have any other K75 owners seen their oil level
>gradually and consistently go down?  Should I take the bike in for
>work?  I'm asking local guys also, to get as many data points as I
>can.
It's normal for the BMW K bikes to use a little oil in the first few thousand
miles.  I don't know why.  I've had three new K bikes, and all three used a
bit of oil when new - max maybe .4 quart in first 1000 miles; this soon quits
and by the time I had 10,000 miles on them the oil consumption was about zero.
I've been told that the harder you run the bike (within reason) the sooner
it stops using any oil.
Charlie Smith   charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org  KotdohL  KotWitDoDL  1KSPI=22.85
DoD #0709   doh #0000000004  &  AMA, MOA, RA, Buckey Beemers, BK Ohio V
BMW K1100-LT,  R80-GS/PD,  R27,  Triumph TR6
Columbus, Ohio USA
From: charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith)
Subject: Re: Internet Discussion List
Organization: Why do you suspect that?
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In article <1qc5f0$3ad@moe.ksu.ksu.edu> bparker@uafhp..uark.edu (Brian Parker) writes:
>  Hello world of Motorcyles lovers/soon-to-be-lovers!
>I have started a discussion list on the internet for people interested in
>talking Bikes!  We discuss anything and everything.  If you are interested in
>joining, drop me a line.  Since it really isn't a 'list', what we do is if you
>have a post, you send it to me and I distribute it to everyone.  C'mon...join
>and enjoy!
Huh?    Did this guy just invent wreck.motorcycles?
Curious minds want to know.
Charlie Smith   charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org  KotdohL  KotWitDoDL  1KSPI=22.85
DoD #0709   doh #0000000004  &  AMA, MOA, RA, Buckey Beemers, BK Ohio V
BMW K1100-LT,  R80-GS/PD,  R27,  Triumph TR6
Columbus, Ohio USA
From: charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith)
Subject: Re: Internet Discussion List
Organization: Why do you suspect that?
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In article <1qc5f0$3ad@moe.ksu.ksu.edu> bparker@uafhp..uark.edu (Brian Parker) writes:
>  Hello world of Motorcyles lovers/soon-to-be-lovers!
>I have started a discussion list on the internet for people interested in
>talking Bikes!  We discuss anything and everything.  If you are interested in
>joining, drop me a line.  Since it really isn't a 'list', what we do is if you
>have a post, you send it to me and I distribute it to everyone.  C'mon...join
>and enjoy!
On second thought, maybe he didn't invent wreck.moto -
he's trying a round about way to figure out the DoD theme song.
One FAQ, coming right up!
Charlie Smith,  DoD #0709,  doh #0000000004,  1KSPT=22.85
o--------------------------------------------------------------o
There's nothing quite like the pitter-patter of little feet,
followed by the words "Daddy!  Why am I locked outside?"
o--------------------------------------------------------------o
From: charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith)
Subject: Re: Bikes And Contacts
Organization: Why do you suspect that?
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In article <1993Apr12.042749.2557@news.columbia.edu> scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears) writes:
>In article <1993Apr12.022233.17927@linus.mitre.org> cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes:
>>In article <C5CKp9.C5D@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cs225a82@dcl-nxt19.cso.uiuc.edu (cs225 student) writes:
>>>
>>>I have a quick question.  I recently got a bike and drive it often, but my
>>>one problem is the wind messing with my contacts.  I have gas permeable
>>How about a full face helmet with the face sheild down.  Works for me.
>
>	Actually, this doesn't always work for me either. I have wind that
>	blows around inside my RF200 some, and it'll dry my eyes out / get dust
>	in them eventually unless I'm also wearing sunglasses inside my
>	helmet.
I too, usually wear sunglasses inside my full face helmet to keep dirt & wind
out of my contacts.  Mumble, mumble, mumble ...
Charlie Smith,  DoD #0709,  doh #0000000004,  1KSPT=22.85
From: charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith)
Subject: Re: looking for a maintenance manual for Honda CB 360
Organization: Why do you suspect that?
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In article <1993Apr12.132410.19470@wam.umd.edu> buffalo@wam.umd.edu (Duncan D. Sterling) writes:
>If anyone thinks that touring on a CB 360 is pushing the envelope, try
>a 175 twin.  My local Honda dealer says that my 1969 Honda Dream 175
>was commonly referred to as a "serious touring bike" when it first
>came out?!?!?!  (maybe there IS something in the water around here).
What's the problem here?  Back in 1958 I rode a Puch 175 from Paris to
Barcelona and back.  That was a two stroke, and back then it was representative
of the size of bikes on the road.  A 350 was considered a big bike, and the
superbikes of the day were 500cc or 600cc.  Anything bigger was real rare.
Charlie Smith,  DoD #0709,  doh #0000000004,  1KSPT=22.85
Nothing in the water!
Mais, voulez vous un peu du melange ?
From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar)
Subject: Re: GGRRRrrr!!  Cages double-parking motorcycles pisses me off!
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Evelyn Wells, on the 12 Apr 1993 11:43 CST wibbled:
: Once again, this morning I pulled up to the designated motorcycle
: parking area, only to find a cage pulled up behind the bikes.
: If people don't double-park cars, why do they do it to motorcycles?
: Never mind that rhetorical question, I know *why* they do it.
: What I want to know is, what can I do about it?  Carry pieces of
: paper that say "Don't park your car in the motorcycle area!!" ?
: Call the cops?  Wait until they emerge from the building and berate
: them until they beg forgiveness?
: Does anyone else have this problem, and what do you do about it?
: Evie
I don't know if you have a local branch where you are, but the preferred method
over here is to 'phone the IRA and tell them about the car and that it
belongs to an MP who is on a Northern Ireland Government Committee.  An hour
or so later, and the car is no longer a problem.  It's best not to park too
close to it, though.
--
Nick (the Vengeful Biker)   DoD 1069   Concise Oxford   Plastic
M'Lud.
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From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar)
Subject: Re: Bikes vs. Horses (was Re: insect impacts f
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Jonathan E. Quist, on the Thu, 15 Apr 1993 14:26:42 GMT wibbled:
: In article <txd.734810267@Able.MKT.3Com.Com> txd@ESD.3Com.COM (Tom Dietrich) writes:
: >>In a previous article, egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) says:
: [lots of things, none of which are quoted here]
: >>>In article rgu@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu, ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant) writes:
: >>>  You think your *average* dirt biker can jump
: >>>a 3 foot log?
: >
: >How about an 18" log that is suspended about 18" off of the ground?
: >For that matter, how about a 4" log that is suspended 2.5' off of the
: >ground?
: Oh, ye of little imagination.
:You don't jump over those -that's where you lay the bike down and slide under!
: --
: Jonathan E. Quist
The nice thing about horses though, is that if they break down in the middle of
nowhere, you can eat them.  Fuel's a bit cheaper, too.
--
Nick (the 90 HP Biker)   DoD 1069   Concise Oxford   Giddy-Up!
M'Lud.
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From: bloom@inland.com
Subject: Re: extraordinary footpeg engineering
Organization: Inland Steel Company; East Chicago, IN
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In article <1993Apr15.001813.3907@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au>, exb0405@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au writes:
> Okay DoD'ers, here's a goddamn mystery for ya !
>
>
> The stud on the side of the bike that clunked when I turned was absent.  I'm
> fairly sure it was there before the event.  In fact, the thread in
> the hole in the footpeg was perfectly intact, with no evidence of something
> having been forcefully ripped out of it only moments previously.
>
> Okay all you engineering types, how the f**k do you explain this ?  How can you
> rip a tightly fitting steel thread out of a threaded hole (in alloy) without
> damaging the thread in the hole ?
You can't knock a threaded stud out from its hole without destroying
the threads.  Also part of the stud would still be in the hole.
Therefore the stud was *not* in the hole before you touched something
down on that side of the bike.
....Dr. Doom
From: mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith)
Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post
Organization: University of East Anglia
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egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:
>In article 735207403@zen.sys.uea.ac.uk, mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) writes:
>>egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:
>>
>1.  All of us that argue about gyroscopes, etc., throughly understand
>the technique of countersteering.
Including all the ones who think that they countersteer all the way
through a corner??
>The underlying physics are a
>different matter, and need not be taught to beginners.
Agreed!
>Countersteering
>(the technique), should be taught, for only with understanding of the
>technique can one develop maximally effective emergency avoidance
>manuvers.
This is really the only thing we disagree on. Maybe we should agree to
disagree?? I still think  that telling newbies to steer left to turn
to the right is unnecessarily confusing, when they'll do it anyway if they
just get on the bike and ride the damn thing.
>2. *I* know exactly what's happening.  It's those *other* gits that
>haven't a clue!  :^)
Me too!!
:-)
>>Understanding the physics of traction is fine - but I cannot see how
>>detailed theory like that has any place in a motorcyle training course.
>>All you need to know is that maximum traction is obtained with the tyre
>>*just* beginning to slide against the road.
>Then we are in violent disagreement.  While what you state is true, it
>is insufficient to form a traction management policy.  Available
>traction increases with applied normal force, ie, traction available to
>the front wheel increases as weight shifts under braking forces, and
>correspondingly decreases at the rear.  Thus, a *technique* of applying
>both brakes, and easing off the rear and increasing pressure on the
>front, can best be learned with an understanding of weight shift and
>available traction.
Jeez, Ed, when you started talking about traction management policies I
thought you were making some weird reference to looking after railway
locomotives...
The official line here (though I do have my doubts about it) is that the
front brake is applied first, followed by the rear brake, the idea being
that you avoid locking up the rear after weight transfer takes place. In
practice I suspect most people do what you describe.
>Saying, "brake until the tire just begins to slide" is next to useless
>advice to a newbie.  He has to go out and slide the tire to find out
>where that is!  It also gives him zero information from which to
>develop a braking technique that changes as the braking and
>corresponding weight shift develop.
If you don't slide the tyre, you have no way of knowing whether you've
achieved maximum braking or not. I'm not suggesting that you should always
aim to brake as hard as you possibly can - but if you want to find the
limits of the machine, you have to go beyond them.
In any case, for maximum braking, if (as I suggested) you aim to keep
both wheels just on the point of sliding, then you'll be doing
exactly as *you* suggest!!
From: asper@calvin.uucp (Alan E. Asper)
Subject: Re: New to Motorcycles...
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In article <1993Apr20.131800.16136@alw.nih.gov> gregh@niagara.dcrt.nih.gov (Gregory Humphreys) writes:
>2)  What is buying a bike going to do to my insurance?  I turn 18 in
>about a month so my parents have been taking care of my insurance up
>till now, and I need a comprehensive list of costs that buying a
>motorcycle is going to insure (I live in Washington DC if that makes
>a difference)
It depends on the bike. Once you've found a bike you're interested in, call
some insurance companies for rates. Some bikes are much cheaper to insure than
you might think (my EX-500 only costs me $127/year in St. Louis; I'm 27)
>
>3)  Any recommendations on what I should buy/where I should look for it?
For a first bike, I recommend 500cc's or less. And a bike short enough to get
both feet on the ground when you stop.
The one piece of advice EVERYONE will give you is to take a Motorcycle Safety
Foundation Rider's Course. See a dealer for details. In some states, completion
of such a course can give you a break on insurance. It will also teach you
to ride properly from the beginning, so you won't learn any bad habits.
Good luck. Riding a motorcycle is the most fun you can have, naked or otherwise.
Alan
From: ant@palm21.cray.com (Tony Jones)
Subject: Re: Insurance discount
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Erik Asphaug x2773 (asphaug@lpl.arizona.edu) wrote:
: Unless... some insurance agent offers a multi-vehicle discount.  They
: do this all the time for cars, assuming that you're only capable of
Progressive offers multi-vehicle discounts.
Good prices too IMHO.
tony
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CMCS Codegeneration Group, Software Division
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From: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca
Subject: Re: First Bike??
Organization: BC Systems Corporation
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In article <0forqFa00iUzMATnMz@andrew.cmu.edu>, James Leo Belliveau <jbc9+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>     I am a serious motorcycle enthusiast without a motorcycle, and to
> put it bluntly, it sucks.  I really would like some advice on what would
Oh! For a second I thought this was a posting by Ed Green!
--
Bruce Clarke       B.C. Environment
e-mail: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca
From: gruncie@cs.strath.ac.uk (Gillian E Runcie CS92)
Subject: Re: Fortune-guzzler barred from bars!
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that's okay, he's perfectly welcome to come to Scotland you know ;-)
From: blaisec@sr.hp.com (Blaise Cirelli)
Subject: Re: New to Motorcycles...
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Gregory Humphreys (gregh@niagara.dcrt.nih.gov) wrote:
Greg,
I'm very new to motorcycles. Haven't even bought one yet. I was in the same
position about you. How do you learn if you've never ridden.
I took a class put on by a group called the Motorcycle Safety Foundation
in California. They might have something similar in Washington.
Try calling a motorcycle dealer in your area and asking. It's a good first
start on how to ride a motorcycle correctly.
Subject: Re: Traffic morons
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford)
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In article <10326.97.uupcb@compdyn.questor.org>,
ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) wrote:
>
> NMM>From: nielsmm@imv.aau.dk (Niels Mikkel Michelsen)
> NMM>Subject: How to act in front of traffic jerks
>
> NMM>The other day, it was raining cats and dogs, therefor I was going only to
> NMM>the speed limit, on nothing more, on my bike. This guy in his BMW was
> NMM>driving 1-2 meters behind me for 7-800 meters and at the next red light I
> NMM>calmly put the bike on its leg, walked back to this car, he rolled down the
> NMM>window, and I told him he was a total idiot (and the reason why).
>
> NMM>Did I do the right thing?
imho, you did the wrong thing.  You could have been shot
or he could have run over your bike or just beat the shit
out of you.  Consider that the person is foolish enough
to drive like a fool and may very well _act_ like one, too.
Just get the heck away from the idiot.
IF the driver does something clearly illegal, you _can_
file a citizens arrest and drag that person into court.
It's a hassle for you but a major hassle for the perp.
====================================================
John Stafford   Minnesota State University @ Winona
All standard disclaimers apply.
From: tony@morgan.demon.co.uk (Tony Kidson)
Subject: Re: Insurance and lotsa points...
Distribution: world
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In article <1993Apr19.211340.12407@adobe.com> cjackson@adobe.com writes:
>I am very glad to know that none of you judgemental little shits has
Hey Pal!  Who're you calling litte?
Tony
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Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford)
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>>>>> On 19 Apr 93 21:48:42 GMT, xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu said:
>  Is it possible to do a "wheelie" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive?
Yes, but the _rear_ wheel comes off the ground, not the front.
See, it just HOPS into the air!  Figure.
====================================================
John Stafford   Minnesota State University @ Winona
All standard disclaimers apply.
From: ahatcher@athena.cs.uga.edu (Allan Hatcher)
Subject: Re: Traffic morons
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
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In article <Stafford-200493102833@stafford.winona.msus.edu> Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford) writes:
>In article <10326.97.uupcb@compdyn.questor.org>,
>ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) wrote:
>>
>> NMM>From: nielsmm@imv.aau.dk (Niels Mikkel Michelsen)
>> NMM>Subject: How to act in front of traffic jerks
>>
>> NMM>The other day, it was raining cats and dogs, therefor I was going only to
>> NMM>the speed limit, on nothing more, on my bike. This guy in his BMW was
>> NMM>driving 1-2 meters behind me for 7-800 meters and at the next red light I
>> NMM>calmly put the bike on its leg, walked back to this car, he rolled down the
>> NMM>window, and I told him he was a total idiot (and the reason why).
>>
>> NMM>Did I do the right thing?
>
>	imho, you did the wrong thing.  You could have been shot
> or he could have run over your bike or just beat the shit
> out of you.  Consider that the person is foolish enough
> to drive like a fool and may very well _act_ like one, too.
>
> Just get the heck away from the idiot.
>
> IF the driver does something clearly illegal, you _can_
> file a citizens arrest and drag that person into court.
> It's a hassle for you but a major hassle for the perp.
>
>====================================================
>John Stafford   Minnesota State University @ Winona
You can't make a Citizens arrest on anything but a felony.
.
>
>                    All standard disclaimers apply.
From: mikej@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_GATEWAY_FILE (Mike Johnson)
Subject: Re: Paris-Dakar BMW touring???
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From: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker)
Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies
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In a previous article, xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu () says:
Mike Terry asks:
>Is it possible to do a "wheelie" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive?
>
No Mike.  It is imposible due to the shaft effect.  The centripital effects
of the rotating shaft counteract any tendency for the front wheel to lift
off the ground.
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The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of
thinking we were at when we created them.   - Albert Einstein
___________________The Eternal Champion_________________
From: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker)
Subject: Re: First Bike?? and Wheelies
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In a previous article, jbc9+@andrew.cmu.edu (James Leo Belliveau) says:
> Anyone,
>
>    I am a serious motorcycle enthusiast without a motorcycle, and to
>put it bluntly, it sucks.  I really would like some advice on what would
>be a good starter bike for me.  I do know one thing however, I need to
>make my first bike a good one, because buying a second any time soon is
>out of the question.  I am specifically interested in racing bikes, (CBR
>600 F2, GSX-R 750).  I know that this may sound kind of crazy
>considering that I've never had a bike before, but I am responsible, a
>fast learner, and in love.  Please give me any advice that you think
>would help me in my search, including places to look or even specific
>bikes that you want to sell me.
>
>    Thanks  :-)
The answer is obvious: ZX-11 D.
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DoD #650<----------------------------------------------------------->DarkMan
The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of
thinking we were at when we created them.   - Albert Einstein
___________________The Eternal Champion_________________
From: txd@ESD.3Com.COM (Tom Dietrich)
Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies
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xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
>Is it possible to do a "wheelie" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive?
No, it's not possible to countersteer either.
(for the humor impared :{P PPhhhhhtttttt!)
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From: maxg@microsoft.com (Max Gilpin)
Subject: HONDA CBR600 For Sale
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Keywords: CBR Hurricane
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For Sale 1988 Honda CBR600 (Hurricane).  I bought the bike at the end of
last summer and although I love it, the bills are forcing me to part with
it.  The bike has a little more than 6000 miles on it and runs very strong.
It is in nead of a tune-up and possibly break pads but the rubber is good.
I am also tossing in a TankBag and a KIWI Helmet.  Asking $3000.00 or best
offer.  Add hits newspaper 04-20-93 and Micronews 04-23-93.  Interested
parties can call 206-635-2006 during the day and 889-1510 in the evenings
no later than 11:00PM.
From: klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger)
Subject: Re: Traffic morons
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In <10326.97.uupcb@compdyn.questor.org> ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau)  writes:
>NMM>From: nielsmm@imv.aau.dk (Niels Mikkel Michelsen)
>NMM>Subject: How to act in front of traffic jerks
>I've found that an effective strategy is to flash my brake light by
>pumping the pedal. You will, obviously need a bit of free play in your
>brake pedal to do this. It seems that even the most brain dead idiot can
>usually discern that a flashing red light directly in front of
>him/her/it may mean that something is wrong.
I see one thing wrong with your strategy.
The boy who cried wolf.
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Jorg Klinger            |       GSXR1100        | If you only new who
Arch. & Eng. Services   |"Lost Horizons"  CR500 | I think I am.
UManitoba, Man. Ca.     |"The Embalmer"   IT175 |           - anonymous
--Squidonk--
From: Dave Dal Farra <gpz750@bnr.ca>
Subject: Re: CB750 C with flames out the exhaust!!!!---->>>
X-Xxdate: Tue, 20 Apr 93 14:15:17 GMT
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In article <1993Apr20.045032.9199@research.nj.nec.com> Chris BeHanna,
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com writes:
>In article <1993Apr19.204159.17534@bnr.ca> Dave Dal Farra <gpz750@bnr.ca>
writes:
>>Reminds me of a great editorial by Bruce Reeve a couple months ago
>>in Cycle Canada.
>>
>>He was so pissed off with cops pulling over speeders in dangerous
>>spots (and often blind corners) that one day he decided to get
>>revenge.
>>
>>Cruising on a factory loaner ZZR1100 test bike, he noticed a cop
>>had pulled over a motorist on an on or off ramp with almost no
>>shoulder.  Being a bright lad, he hit his bike's kill switch
>>just before passing the cop, who happened to be bending towards
>>the offending motorist there-by exposing his glutes to the
>>passing world.
>>
>>With his ignition system now dead, he pumped his throtle two
>>or three times to fill his exhaust canister's with volatile raw fuel.
>>
>>All it took was a stab at the kill switch to re-light the ignition
>>and send a 10' flame in Sargeant Swell's direction.
>>
>>I wonder if any cycle cops read Cycle Canada?
>
>	Although I agree with the spirit of the action, I do hope that
>the rider ponied up the $800 or so it takes to replace the exhaust system
>he just destroyed.  The owner's manual explicitly warns against such
>behavior for exactly that reason:  you can destroy your muflers that way.
>
>Later,
>--
>Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
>behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
>Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC	  1991 ZX-11 - needs a name
>agree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.
Ya, Fat Chance.  The "offending" rider was a moto journalist.  Those
guys can sell hundreds of bikes with one stroke of the pen and
as such get away with murder when it comes to test bikes.
One way or the other, it was probably worth the early expiration of
one mufler to see a bone head get his butt baked.
Dave D.F.
"It's true they say that money talks.  When mine spoke it said
'Buy me a Drink!'."
From: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca
Subject: How to buy a first bike, etc.
Organization: BC Systems Corporation
Lines: 8
There have been a *lot* of posts lately about "I wanna buy my first bike - is a
GSXR/ZX/CBR/FZR a good bike to learn on?" etc.
I think I'm going to put together a FAQ on buying a new bike. Ravi used to post
one all the time.
--
Bruce Clarke       B.C. Environment
e-mail: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca
From: grw@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Gary Wasserman)
Subject: Stuff For Sale is GONE!!!
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Thanks to all who responded.   The three items (electric vest,
Aerostitch Suit, and Scarf) are all spoken for.
-Gary
--
Gary Wasserman      "A completely irrational attraction to BMW bikes"
Interleaf, Inc.      Prospect Place, 9 Hillside Ave, Waltham, MA 02154
grw@ileaf.com        617-290-4990x3423 FAX 617-290-4970       DoD#0216
From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Subject: Re: New to Motorcycles...
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View
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In article <1993Apr20.131800.16136@alw.nih.gov> gregh@niagara.dcrt.nih.gov (Gregory Humphreys) writes:
}1)  I only have about $1200-1300 to work with, so that would have
}to cover everything (bike, helmet, anything else that I'm too
}ignorant to know I need to buy)
The following numbers are approximate, and will no doubt get me flamed:
Helmet (new, but cheap)					$100
Jacket (used or very cheap)				$100
Gloves (nothing special)				$ 20
Motorcycle Safety Foundation riding course (a must!)	$140
That leaves you between $900 and $1000 (depending on the accuracy
of my numbers) to buy a used bike, get it registered, get it
insured, and get it running properly. I'd say you're cutting
it close. Perhaps if your parents are reasonable, and you indicated
your wish to learn to ride safely, you could get them to pick up
the cost of the MSF course and some of the safety gear. Early
holiday presents or whatever. Those are one-time (well, long-term
anyway) investments, and you could spend your money on the actual
bike, insurance, registration, and maintenance.
--
Curtis Jackson	   cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com	'91 Hawk GT	'81 Maxim 650
DoD#0721 KotB  '91 Black Lab mix "Studley Doright"  '92 Collie/Golden "George"
"There is no justification for taking away individuals' freedom
in the guise of public safety." -- Thomas Jefferson
From: karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr)
Subject: Re: Fortune-guzzler barred from bars!
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
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In article <C5qtvL.M73@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Russell.P.Hughes@dartmouth.edu (Knicker Twister) writes:
>In article <1993Apr19.141959.4057@bnr.ca>
>npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar) writes:
>
>> With regards to the pub brawl, he might have a history of such things.
>> Just because he was a biker doesn't make him out to be a reasonable
>> person.  Even the DoD might object to him joining, who knows?
If he had a history of such things, why was it not mentioned in the
article, and why did they present the irrelevant detail of where he
got his drinking money from?
I can't say exactly who is at fault here, but from where I sit is
looks like we're seeing the results either of the law going way out
of hand or of shoddy journalism.
If the law wants to attach strings to how you spend a settlement, they
should put the money in trust.  They don't, so I would assume it's
perfectly legitimate to drink it away, though I wouldn't spend it that
way myself.
-- David Karr (karr@cs.cornell.edu)
From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar)
Subject: Re: Fortune-guzzler barred from bars!
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David Karr, on the Tue, 20 Apr 1993 01:01:01 GMT wibbled:
: In article <C5qtvL.M73@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Russell.P.Hughes@dartmouth.edu (Knicker Twister) writes:
: >In article <1993Apr19.141959.4057@bnr.ca>
: >npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar) writes:
: >
: >> With regards to the pub brawl, he might have a history of such things.
: >> Just because he was a biker doesn't make him out to be a reasonable
: >> person.  Even the DoD might object to him joining, who knows?
: If he had a history of such things, why was it not mentioned in the
: article, and why did they present the irrelevant detail of where he
: got his drinking money from?
: I can't say exactly who is at fault here, but from where I sit is
: looks like we're seeing the results either of the law going way out
: of hand or of shoddy journalism.
: If the law wants to attach strings to how you spend a settlement, they
: should put the money in trust.  They don't, so I would assume it's
: perfectly legitimate to drink it away, though I wouldn't spend it that
: way myself.
: -- David Karr (karr@cs.cornell.edu)
We heard about this from a newspaper article.  Journalists and editors
always pick out the most interesting and sensational "facts" for our
delectation.  As the editor of the Sun once said: "We never let the
facts get in the way of a good story".  You must have noticed how
motorcyclists get treated by the press.  They thrive on hysteria,
ignorance, sensationalism and one-upmanship.  Unfortunately there's
not enough salt to keep taking a pinch of.
--
Nick (the Cynical Old Biker)   DoD 1069   Concise Oxford   Leaky New Gearbox
M'Lud.
Nick Pettefar, Contractor@Large.  /~~~\   "Teneo tuus intervallum"
Cuurrently incarcerated at BNR,  {-O^O-}   npet@bnr.ca  '86 BMW K100RS "Kay"
Maidenhead, The United Kingdom.   \ o /    Pres. PBWASOH(UK),  BS 0002
(-)
"Ask not for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for you.  It's time to get up
From: joe@rider.cactus.org (Joe Senner)
Subject: Re: So That's Where the Oil in my K75 Went
Reply-To: joe@rider.cactus.org
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tim@intrepid.gsfc.nasa.gov (Tim Seiss) writes:
]Just wanted to say "Thanks" to everyone who sent me e-mail or
]posted a reply to my question on the oil consumption in my K75S
so what did _you_ decide?
--
Joe Senner                                                joe@rider.cactus.org
Austin Area Ride Mailing List                            ride@rider.cactus.org
Texas SplatterFest Mailing List                          fest@rider.cactus.org
From: paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein)
Subject: The best of times, the worst of times
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(note: this is not about the L.A. or NY Times)
A few times a year, a funny thing happens: the bike engine runs
perfectly.  Completely smooth.  Not that it runs poorly normally, but
on these days, it is exceptional.  My theory is that the air density
and moisture content of the air are such that I get complete
combustion.  Needless to say, it puts me in a great mood.
The mood lasted for about 20 miles.  Heading north on the 405
freeway, about a mile or two south of the 10, my throttle stopped
responding.... and I was between lanes.  Nothing to do but make
my way over 4 lanes to the shoulder... initially by gliding, then
by pushing.  At least traffic was heavy enough so that cars did
not mind stopping for me.
Turned out to be a screw unscrewed inside my Mikuni HS40
carb.  I keep hearing that one should keep all of the screws
tight on a bike, but I never thought that I had to do that
on the screws inside of a carb.  At least it was roadside
fixable and I was on my way in hardly any time.
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KD6LAA, MARC, ARRL, Platypus #240, QRP-ARPCI, NASWA, LWCA, RCMA (CALA905)
Transaction Technology, Inc., Santa Monica, CA
From: frankb@sad.hp.com (Frank Ball)
Subject: Re: Type spesifications (CB, VFR, GT, etc.)
Organization: HewlettPackardSantaRosaSystmsDiv,RohnertParkCA
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VIDAR OLAF SOLBERG (vidaros@dhhalden.no) wrote:
& Can somebody tell me what all the letter spesifications on motorcycle models
& really mean.
& Example: What means the C, the B and the R in Honda CBR. - Or the V, S, G, L
& and P in Suzuki VS750GLP
Honda:  a "V" designates a V engine street bike. "VF" for V-4, "VT" for V-twin.
"CB" is a street bike with an parallel twin or inline 4-cylinder engine.
"R" used to mean race bike, but is now also used to mean sport bike.
"CL" was for the old steet scramblers-street bikes with high pipes
"CM" was a "custom" street bike
"CR" is dirt only two strokes
"XL" is dual purpose bike
"XR" was dirt only four stroke, but now can be a dual purpose bike if it has
an "L" as a suffix.
"GL" is a touring bike
--
Frank Ball   1UR-M          frankb@sad.hp.com    (707) 794-4168 work,
Hewlett Packard             (707) 794-3844 fax,  (707) 538-3693 home
1212 Valley House Drive     IT175, XT350, Seca 750, '62 F-100, PL510
Rohnert Park CA 94928-4999  KC6WUG, LAW, AMA, Dod #7566, I'm the NRA.
From: klf@druwa.ATT.COM (FranklinKL)
Subject: Re: Hell-mets.
Summary: Visual damage is NOT an indicator.
Lines: 50
In article <1993Apr18.035125.29930@freenet.carleton.ca>, aa963@Freenet.carleton.ca (Lloyd Carr) writes:
>
> In a previous article, maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) says:
>
> >
> >
> > If I don't end up replacing it in the real near future, would I do better
> >to wear my (totally nondamaged) 3/4 face DOT-RATED cheapie which doesn't fit
> >as well or keep out the wind as well, or wearing the Shoei RF-200 which is a
> >LOT more comfortable, keeps the wind out better, is quieter... but might
> >have some minor damage?
>
> == Wear the RF200.  Even after a few drops & paint chips, it is FAR better
> than no helmet or a poorly fitting one.  I've had many scratches & bangs
> which have been repaired plus I'm still confident of the protection the
> helmet will continue to give me.  Only when you actually see depressions
> or actual cracks (using a magnifying glass) should you consider replacement.
> --
This is not good advice.  A couple of years I was involved in a low-speed
getoff in which I landed on my back on the pavement.  My head (helmeted)
hit the pavement with a "clunk", leaving a couple of dings and chips in the
paint at the point of impact, but no other visible damage.  I called the
helmet manufacturer and inquired about damage.  They said that the way a
fiberglass shell works is to first give, then delaminate, then crack.
This is the way fiberglass serves to spread the force of the impact over a
wider area.  After the fiberglass has done its thing, the crushable foam
liner takes care of absorbing (hopefully) the remaining impact force.
They told me that the second stage of fiberglass functionality (delamination
of the glass/resin layers) can occur with NO visible signs, either inside or
outside of the helmet.  They suggested that I send them the helmet and they
would inspect it (including X-raying).  I did so.  They sent back the helmet
with a letter stating that that they could find no damage that would
compromise the ability of the helmet to provide maximum protection.
(I suspect that this letter would eliminate their being able to claim
prior damage to the helmet in the event I were to sue them.)
The bottom line, though, is that it appears that a helmets integrity
can be compromised with no visible signs.  The only way to know for sure
is to send it back and have it inspected.  Note that some helmet
manufacturers provide inspections services and some do not.  Another point
to consider when purchasing a lid.
--
Ken Franklin 	They say there's a heaven for people who wait
AMA     	And some say it's better but I say it ain't
GWRRA           I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints
DoD #0126       The sinners are lots more fun, Y'know only the good die young
From: speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer)
Subject: Re: Ok, So I was a little hasty...
Organization: Louisiana Tech University
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In article <1993Apr20.010734.18225@megatek.com> randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis) writes:
>In article <speedy.155@engr.latech.edu> speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer) writes:
>|In article <jnmoyne-190493111630@moustic.lbl.gov> jnmoyne@lbl.gov (Jean-Noel Moyne) writes:
>|>       What does "DWI" stand for ? I thought it was "DUI" for Driving Under
>|>Influence, so here what does W stand for ?
>|
>|Driving While Intoxicated.
>  Actually, I beleive "DWI" normally means "Driving While Impaired" rather
>than "Intoxicated", at least it does in the states I've lived in...
>|This was changed here in Louisiana when a girl went to court and won her
>|case by claiming to be stoned on pot, NOT intoxicated on liquor!
>  One can be imparied without necessarily being impaired by liquor - drugs,
>not enough sleep, being a total moron :-), all can impair someone etc...  I'm
>surprised this got her off the hook...  Perhaps DWI in Lousiana *is* confined
>to liquor?
Lets just say it is DUI here now!
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From: essbaum@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Alexander Essbaum)
Subject: header paint
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it seems the 200 miles of trailering in the rain has rusted my bike's headers.
the metal underneath is solid, but i need to sand off the rust coating and
repaint the pipes black.  any recommendations for paint and application
of said paint?
thanks!
axel
From: drinckes@tssc.wlg.nec.co.jp (Doug Rinckes)
Subject: Re: RGV and posing!!
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In article 25444@dsd.es.com, bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner) writes:
>In article <speedy.153@engr.latech.edu> speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer) writes:
>>In article <2553@spam.maths.adelaide.edu.au> amydlak@spam.maths.adelaide.edu.au (Adam Mydlak) writes:
>
>>>[Squid deleted]
>
>> 5.  Helment laws vary from state to state.  In my state (Louisiana) it is
>>the law.  I personaly, would not go 2 feet on a bike without one law or no
>>law.  A helment will save your life.
>
>I'll go 2 feet, but I draw the line at 3.
I'll see your 3 and raise you 4.
Doug Rinckes   drinckes@tssc.wlg.nec.co.jp   New Zealand TSSC Ltd
1976 BMW R100S           1960 BMW R60            1940 Indian 741A
From: vidaros@dhhalden.no (VIDAR OLAF SOLBERG)
Subject: Type spesifications (CB, VFR, GT, etc.)
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Organization: Ostfold College
Can somebody tell me what all the letter spesifications on motorcycle models
really mean.
Example: What means the C, the B and the R in Honda CBR. - Or the V, S, G, L
and P in Suzuki VS750GLP
I wanna distribute this in our club magazine. I want lists of all types, but
I already knows about Harley.
Thanks in advance!
Vidar
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From: schultz@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (David Schultz)
Subject: Re: Honda CB400F For Sale
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
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I wanted to let people know that this motorcycle has been sold.
Thanks for your inquiries.
--Dave Schultz
From: gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Graeme Harrison)
Subject: Re: Boom! Dog attack!
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
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Several years ago, while driving a cage, a dog darted out at a quiet
intersection right in front of me but there was enough distance
between us so I didn't have to slow down. However, a 2nd dog
suddenly appeared and collided with my right front bumper and
the force of the impact was enough to kill that Scottish Terrier.
Apparently, it was following the 1st dog. Henceforth, if a dog
decides to cross the street, keep an eye out for a 2nd dog as
many dogs like to travel in pairs or packs.
I've yet to experience a dog chasing me on my black GL1200I which
has a pretty loud OEM horn (not as good as Fiamms, but good enuff)
but the bike is large and heavy enough to run right over one of
the smaller nippers while the larger ones would have trouble
getting my leg between the saddlebags and engine guards. I'd
def feel more vulnerable on my '68 Trump as that'd be easier
leg chewing target for those mongrels.
If there's a persistent dog running after bikers despite
complaints to the owner I wouldn't be adverse to running
over it with my truck as a dogs life isn't worth much IMHO
compared to a child riding a bike who gets knocked to the
ground by said dog and dies from a head injury.
Any dog in the neighborhood that's vicious or a public menace
running about unleashed is fair game as road kill candidate.
Graeme Harrison
(gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com) DoD#649
From: bean@ra.cgd.ucar.edu (Gregory Bean)
Subject: Help!  Which bikes are short?
Organization: Climate and Global Dynamics Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO
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Help!  I've got a friend shopping for her first motorcycle.  This is great!
Unfortunately, she needs at most a 28" seat.  This is not great.  So far,
the only thing we've found was an old and unhappy-looking KZ440.
So, it's time to tap the collective memory of all the denizens out there.
Anybody know of models (old models and used bikes are not a problem)
with a 28" or lower seat?  And, since she has to make this difficult ( 8-) ),
she would prefer not to end up with a cruiser.  So there's bonus points
for listing tiny standards.
I seem to remember a thread with a point similar to this passing through
several months ago.  Did anybody keep that list?
Thanks!
--
Gregory Bean                                                           DoD #580
bean@ncar.ucar.edu         "In fact, everything's got that big reverb sound..."
From: tafi3@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Ian Deeley)
Subject: Re: CB750 C with flames out the exhaust!!!!---->>>
Organization: University of Sussex
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From article <C5quw0.Btq@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, by mikeh@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Mike Hollyman):
> Hi, I have an 82 CB750 Custom that I just replaced the cylinder head gasket
> on.  Now when I put it back together again, it wouldn't idle at all.  It was
> only running on 2-3 cylinders and it would backfire and spit flames out the
> exhaust on the right side.  The exhaust is 4-2 MAC.  I bought new plugs
> today and it runs very rough and still won't idle.  I am quite sure the fine
> tune knobs on the carbs are messed up.  I checked the timing, it was fine, so
> I advanced it a little and that didn't help.
>
> I assume the carbs need to be synched.  Can I buy a kit and do this myself?
> If so, what kit is the best for the price.
>
> Any other suggestions?
>
I dont think its the carbs that are out, I would suspect that
the cam timing is out, & as you say that you had the head off, that
would make sense to me,
Ian.
Just my 0.02 emu's worth.
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School of Engineering	   | |		insignificant, but its very
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From: mmaser@engr.UVic.CA (Michael  Maser)
Subject: Re: extraordinary footpeg engineering
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--In a previous article, exb0405@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au () says:
--
-->Okay DoD'ers, here's a goddamn mystery for ya !
-->
-->Today I was turning a 90 degree corner just like on any other day, but there
-->was a slight difference-  a rough spot right in my path caused the suspension
-->to compress in mid corner and some part of the bike hit the ground with a very
-->tangible "thunk".  I pulled over at first opportunity to sus out the damage.
--== some deleted
-->
-->Barry Manor DoD# 620 confused accidental peg-scraper
-->
-->
--Check the bottom of your pipes Barry -- suspect that is what may
--have hit.  I did the same a few years past & thought it was the
--peg but found the bottom of my pipe has made contact & showed a
--good sized dent & scratch.
-- Believe you'd feel the suddent change on your foot if the peg
--had bumped.  As for the piece missing -- contribute that to
--vibration loss.
Yep, the same thing happened to me on my old Honda 200 Twinstar.
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From: randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis)
Subject: Re: Ok, So I was a little hasty...
Reply-To: randy@megatek.com
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In article <speedy.155@engr.latech.edu> speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer) writes:
|In article <jnmoyne-190493111630@moustic.lbl.gov> jnmoyne@lbl.gov (Jean-Noel Moyne) writes:
|>       What does "DWI" stand for ? I thought it was "DUI" for Driving Under
|>Influence, so here what does W stand for ?
|
|Driving While Intoxicated.
Actually, I beleive "DWI" normally means "Driving While Impaired" rather
than "Intoxicated", at least it does in the states I've lived in...
|This was changed here in Louisiana when a girl went to court and won her
|case by claiming to be stoned on pot, NOT intoxicated on liquor!
One can be imparied without necessarily being impaired by liquor - drugs,
not enough sleep, being a total moron :-), all can impair someone etc...  I'm
surprised this got her off the hook...  Perhaps DWI in Lousiana *is* confined
to liquor?
Randy Davis                            Email: randy@megatek.com
ZX-11 #00072 Pilot                            {uunet!ucsd}!megatek!randy
DoD #0013
"But, this one goes to *eleven*..." - Nigel Tufnel, _Spinal Tap_
From: csundh30@ursa.calvin.edu (Charles Sundheim)
Subject: Looking for MOVIES w/ BIKES
Summary: Bike movies
Keywords: movies
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Folks,
I am assembling info for a Film Criticism class final project.
Essentially I need any/all movies that use motos in any substantial
capacity (IE; Fallen Angles, T2, H-D & the Marlboro Man,
Raising Arizona, etc).
Any help you fellow r.m'ers could give me would be much `preciated.
(BTW, a summary of bike(s) or plot is helpful but not necessary)
Thanx
-Erc.
_______________________________________________________________________________
C Eric Sundheim        csundh30@ursa.Calvin.edu
GrandRapids, MI, USA
`90 Hondo VFR750f
DoD# 1138
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From: ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau)
Subject: Traffic morons
Reply-To: ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau)
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NMM>From: nielsmm@imv.aau.dk (Niels Mikkel Michelsen)
NMM>Subject: How to act in front of traffic jerks
NMM>The other day, it was raining cats and dogs, therefor I was going only to
NMM>the speed limit, on nothing more, on my bike. This guy in his BMW was
NMM>driving 1-2 meters behind me for 7-800 meters and at the next red light I
NMM>calmly put the bike on its leg, walked back to this car, he rolled down the
NMM>window, and I told him he was a total idiot (and the reason why).
NMM>Did I do the right thing?
NMM>Yours Truly :
NMM>                                  Niels Mikkel
Well, sounds great to me! When I have a real BDI cager tailgating me,
I've found that an effective strategy is to flash my brake light by
pumping the pedal. You will, obviously need a bit of free play in your
brake pedal to do this. It seems that even the most brain dead idiot can
usually discern that a flashing red light directly in front of
him/her/it may mean that something is wrong.
The two problems I'd see with your strategy is that the red light may
change before you can get anything meaningful out of your mouth, or the
occupant(s) may take exception to your opinions and demonstrate such
physically (on you or your now-parked bike). Admittedly, the latter is a
slim chance, but it would be enough to give me pause.
* SLMR 2.1a * sometimes you get to be the windshield, sometimes the bug
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From: gregh@niagara.dcrt.nih.gov (Gregory Humphreys)
Subject: New to Motorcycles...
Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda, MD
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Hello everyone.  I'm new to motorcycles so no flames please.  I don't
have my bike yet so I need a few pieces of information:
1)  I only have about $1200-1300 to work with, so that would have
to cover everything (bike, helmet, anything else that I'm too
ignorant to know I need to buy)
2)  What is buying a bike going to do to my insurance?  I turn 18 in
about a month so my parents have been taking care of my insurance up
till now, and I need a comprehensive list of costs that buying a
motorcycle is going to insure (I live in Washington DC if that makes
a difference)
3)  Any recommendations on what I should buy/where I should look for it?
4)  In DC, as I imagine it is in every other state (OK, OK, we're not a
state - we're not bitter ;)), you take the written test first and then
get a learners permit.  However, I'm wondering how one goes about
learning to ride the bike proficiently enough so as to a) get a liscence
and b) not kill oneself.  I don't know anyone with a bike who could
teach me, and the most advice I've heard is either "do you live near a
field" or "do you have a friend with a pickup truck", the answers to both
of which are NO.  Do I just ride around my neighborhood and hope for
the best?  I kind of live in a residential area but it's not suburbs.
It's still the big city and I'm about a mile from downtown so that
doesn't seem too viable.  Any stories on how you all learned?
Thanks for any replies in advance.
-Greg Humphreys
:wq
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Meant to do that.  (Damn autoindent)
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From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda)
Subject: Re: Happy Easter!
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In article <1qt0jo$2fj@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) writes:
|
|Hey!  I wasn't picking on Morgan.  They use old technology.  That's all
|I said.  There's nothing wrong with using old technology.  People still
|use shovels to dig holes
Well, you really can't dig a hole with a stock Shovel; you at least need some
performance mods like stroking and cams.  Besides, it's REAL bad on the
rear tire.
Dave Svoboda (svoboda@void.rtsg.mot.com)    | "I'm getting tired of
90 Concours 1000 (Mmmmmmmmmm!)              |  beating you up, Dave.
84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Woops!)              |  You never learn."
AMA 583905  DoD #0330  COG 939  (Chicago)   |  -- Beth "Bruiser" Dixon
From: kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch (kevinh)
Subject: Re: Happy Easter!
Originator: kevinh@nath
Reply-To: kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch
Organization: Ascom Hasler AG
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In article <1993Apr19.154020.24818@i88.isc.com>, jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes:
|> In article <2514@tekgen.bv.tek.com> davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS) writes:
|> >In article <1993Apr15.171757.10890@i88.isc.com> jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes:
|> >>Rolls-Royce owned by a non-British firm?
|> >>
|> >>Ye Gods, that would be the end of civilization as we know it.
|> >
|> >  Why not?  Ford owns Aston-Martin and Jaguar, General Motors owns Lotus
|> >and Vauxhall.  Rover is only owned 20% by Honda.
|>
|> Yes, it's a minor blasphemy that U.S. companies would on the likes of A.M.,
|> Jaguar, or (sob) Lotus.  It's outright sacrilege for RR to have non-British
|> ownership.  It's a fundamental thing
I think there is a legal clause in the RR name, regardless of who owns it
it must be a British company/owner - i.e. BA can sell the company but not
the name.
kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch
From: asalerno@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (antonio.j.salerno..jr)
Subject: DoD Books
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Lines: 18
Anyone around here read this yet?
Does Anita have a number?
>>   Title: Software measurement for DoD systems : recommendations for initial
>>          core measures / Anita D. Carleton, ... [et al.].
>> Subject: Software engineering.; Computer programming management.
>>  Author: Carleton, Anita D.
>>  Author: Carnegie-Mellon University. Software Engineering Institute.
>>    Publ: Pittsburgh, Pa. : Carnegie Mellon University, Software Engineering
>>          Institute, 1992. 53 p.
Tony
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From: speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer)
Subject: Re: MOTORCYCLE DETAILING TIP #18
Organization: Louisiana Tech University
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In article <1993Apr15.164644.7348@hemlock.cray.com> ant@palm21.cray.com (Tony Jones) writes:
A note to users of Plexi-Fairings:
If the light hits some of these just right, they become a giant magnifing
glass and will melt a hole in your guage pod!
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From:         Brad Thone <C09615BT@WUVMD>
To:           NETNEWS@WUVMD
Subject:      Re: GGRRRrrr!! Cages double-parking motorc
Lines: 25
>An apartment complex where I used to live tried this, only they put the
>thing over the driver's window, "so they couldn't miss it."  A friend
>damned near wrecked on the way home one night, her vision blocked by
>the sticker.  I suggested to the manager the ENORMOUS liability they
>were assuming by pulling that stunt.  She claimed it was the driver who
>was at fault for illegally parking in the first place.  That would
>probably be good for a laugh or two in court, before they found her
>liable for $Serious.
Seems to me that the driver was driving the vehicle visually impaired.
Isn't that like not scraping ice and snow off your windshield and such?
Say, that's another thing that bugs me.  Why don't people scrape their
damn windows?  I've seen people driving cars with *barely* the driver's
half of the windshield cleared.  Nothing else cleared.  This seems
pretty stupid and isn't there something (probably varies state to state)
that says a certain percentage of the glass must be clear?  Oh, well.
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Systems Consultant
Systems Service Enterprises
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c09615bt @ wuvmd.bitnet
From: speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer)
Subject: Re: Fortune-guzzler barred from bars!
Organization: Louisiana Tech University
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In article <1993Apr16.104158.27890@reed.edu> mblock@reed.edu (Matt Block) writes:
>(assuming David didn't know that it can be done one-legged,) I too would
In New Orleans, LA, there was a company making motorcycles for WHEELCHAIR
bound people!  The rig consists of a flat-bed sidecar rig that the
wheelchair can be clamped to.  The car has a set of hand controls mounted on
conventional handlebars!  Looks wierd as hell to see this legless guy
driving the rig from the car while his girlfriend sits on the bike as a
passenger!
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From: staal@idt.unit.no (Staal Amund Vinterbo)
Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post
Reply-To: staal@idt.unit.no (Staal Amund Vinterbo)
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology
Lines: 33
In article <mjs.734954875@zen.sys.uea.ac.uk>, mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) writes:
|>
|> Formal training is in my view absolutely essential if you're going to
|> be able to ride a bike properly and safely. But by including countersteering
|> theory in newbie courses we are confusing people unnecessarily, right at
|> the time when there are *far* more important matters for them to learn.
|> And that was my original point.
|>
|> Mike
While I agree with you on that formal training is essential for safe riding,
I disagree strongly with your original point. The point of formal training
must be to prepare riders for the road. Preparedness is in my opinion
to know as much as possible. So, to exclude some aspects of riding a bike
in a course is wrong IMHO. Now to countersteering in particular.
Countersteering is something that must be trained. A common reaction among
new bikers (or bicycle riders) in an emergency situation, is to steer the
motorcycle like a bicycle. As we know this makes the motorcycle go in the
direction opposite to what was intended. Needless to say, this is dangerous.
I have a specific example: A rider in a left turn. The rider thinks he/she
is to close to the right shoulder of the road, and tries to steer the
motorcycle to the left by pulling the left handle and pushing the right
handle. The motorcycle straightens up and goes off the road.
A worse scenario: The same rider, same turn. In the middle of the turn
the rider sees a truck coming towards him/her. The panicking rider tries
to steer the motorcycle away from the truck and crashes right into it.
The main function of a riding course is to teach how to avoid emergency
situations, AND what to do if in one. Thus, the knowledge (and training) of
countersteering is IMHO a must in any riding course.
--
staal@idt.unit.no
From: sturges@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Richard Sturges)
Subject: Re: Help!  Which bikes are short?
Reply-To: sturges@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Richard Sturges)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD
Lines: 23
In rec.motorcycles, bean@ra.cgd.ucar.edu (Gregory Bean) writes:
>Help!  I've got a friend shopping for her first motorcycle.  This is great!
>Unfortunately, she needs at most a 28" seat.  This is not great.  So far,
>the only thing we've found was an old and unhappy-looking KZ440.
I had a kz440 and thought it was the best $100 bike I've ever
ridden.  And mind you, I've ridden many bikes.
>I seem to remember a thread with a point similar to this passing through
>several months ago.  Did anybody keep that list?
You must be mistaken. No thread in this group has ever had a point.
Seriously, there are many 'short' bikes out there.  What style bike
and how much money does she have.  My SO is 5'3" and rides her CB1
or my hawk GT with ease.  Most cruisers are low slung.  YSR50's are
real short too.
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From: jet@netcom.Netcom.COM (J. Eric Townsend)
Subject: Re: Insurance and lotsa points...
In-Reply-To: cjackson@adobe.com's message of Mon, 19 Apr 1993 21:13:40 GMT
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Service
<1993Apr19.211340.12407@adobe.com>
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"cjackson" == Curtis Jackson <cjackson@adobe.com> writes:
cjackson> I am very glad to know that none of you judgemental little shits has
cjackson> ridden/driven when too tired, sleepy, hungover, angry, or distracted
cjackson> in the last 3 years. Why, if you had then you might be just as guilty
Some of us not-so judgmental little shits don't drive/ride when we're
impaired.  I stopped doing that sort of thing when a good friend of
mine got killed by a drunk driver who failed to stop for a red and
drove through the side of her volvo in his '72 caddy.
Then again, I suspect most of the responsible adults on the net don't
bother posting in flame wars on rec.moto.
cjackson> "There is no justification for taking away individuals' freedom
cjackson>  in the guise of public safety." -- Thomas Jefferson
He also owned slaves, kept some as forced concubines, and had enough
resources to do what he wanted without fear of reprisal.  Then again,
he also smoked dope.
--
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This is my fun account -- work email goes to jet@nas.nasa.gov
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Skate UNIX or die, boyo.
From: xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Subject: Shaft-drives and Wheelies
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cornell University
Lines: 4
Is it possible to do a "wheelie" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive?
Mike Terry
'82 Virago
From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Subject: Re: Type spesifications (CB, VFR, GT, etc.)
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View
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In article <C5sK1D.C1p@srgenprp.sr.hp.com> frankb@sad.hp.com (Frank Ball) writes:
}Honda:  a "V" designates a V engine street bike. "VF" for V-4, "VT" for V-twin.
So how about my Honda Hawk (NT 650)? It's a twin, but not called a VT.
--
Curtis Jackson	   cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com	'91 Hawk GT	'81 Maxim 650
DoD#0721 KotB  '91 Black Lab mix "Studley Doright"  '92 Collie/Golden "George"
"There is no justification for taking away individuals' freedom
in the guise of public safety." -- Thomas Jefferson
From: vech@Ra.MsState.Edu (Craig A. Vechorik)
Subject: Re: More MOA stuff --- like the RA
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From what I've seen in my 17 years as an MOA member, most of the folks
in the RA are also in the MOA... I guess it's called covering all the
bases to get some idea of what is really happening.. How else does one
think the RA gets all the juicey news about what's happen' inside the
MOA?
Nihilism isn't for everyone, not that it really matters!
Craig Vechorik
BMW MOA Ambassador  (and ya, I finally sent my bucks into the RA too)
"REAL BMW's have TWO wheels"  <--- politically correct statement
DOD #843
From: maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer)
Subject: Electricty
X-AltNet-ID: 222833
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Sigha.
1) Trying to figure out a way to put a halogen beam on my CB360T... Are
there any easy ways to do this (i.e. a "slip-in" bulb replacement)?
2) Was told by a guy at the bike shop that my "not damn near bright enough"
incandescent beam might be caused by a perma-low battery. So I went and
picked up this cheapo "Motorcycle battery and charging system tester"...
Hook it up to the battery, it's got 3 lights on "Very good charge"... Start
the engine (to test the charging system), and it doesn't even REGISTER. It's
supposed to light 5 or 6 lights if everything is OK, but it stays down at
the same point as just the battery.
My question here is, if indeed my charging system is just plain messed up,
how the HECK is the battery staying fully charged? I'd think it would be
darned near dead from supporting my lights, etc...
Do the '75 CB360T's have a problem with their charging system? Are they
just generally slower charging than what is normal for bigger bikes?
Is there an easy fix for this?
3) Happy noise: Put 300 miles on my bike this weekend, finally got myass an
endorsement.... which is REALLY GOOD, because my cage just quit running
worth a damn and I won't have money to repair it until the first... ;) And
the weatherman says "Bright and Sunny all week, 20% chance of rain on
friday"...
<big grin, bugs in teeth>
From: maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer)
Subject: Good Reasons to Wave at each other
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One of those "morning, just getting the coffee in me" thoughts:
Waving at other bikers makes more sense than just "Hey, how's it going,
nice to meet you on the road, have a good ride"
1) If you're watching for other bikes to wave to, it means your attention
is on the road, where it should be, and you're more likely to see cages.
2) It keeps you in the habit of watching really carefully for bikes when
you're IN a cage. This is a Good Thing.
From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar)
Subject: Re: Happy Easter!
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kevinh, on the Tue, 20 Apr 1993 13:23:01 GMT wibbled:
: In article <1993Apr19.154020.24818@i88.isc.com>, jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes:
: |> In article <2514@tekgen.bv.tek.com> davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS) writes:
: |> >In article <1993Apr15.171757.10890@i88.isc.com> jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes:
: |> >>Rolls-Royce owned by a non-British firm?
: |> >>
: |> >>Ye Gods, that would be the end of civilization as we know it.
: |> >
: |> >  Why not?  Ford owns Aston-Martin and Jaguar, General Motors owns Lotus
: |> >and Vauxhall.  Rover is only owned 20% by Honda.
: |>
: |> Yes, it's a minor blasphemy that U.S. companies would ?? on the likes of A.M.,
: |> Jaguar, or (sob) Lotus.  It's outright sacrilege for RR to have non-British
: |> ownership.  It's a fundamental thing
: I think there is a legal clause in the RR name, regardless of who owns it
: it must be a British company/owner - i.e. BA can sell the company but not
: the name.
: kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch
I don't believe that BA have anything to do with RR.  It's a seperate
company from the RR Aero-Engine company.  I think that the government
own a stake.  Unfortunately they owned a stake of Jaguar too, until
they decided to make a quick buck and sold it to Ford.  Bastards.
This is definitely the ultimate Arthur-Daley government.
--
Nick (the Cynical Biker)   DoD 1069   Concise Oxford   Leaky Gearbox
M'Lud.
Nick Pettefar, Contractor@Large.  /~~~\   "Teneo tuus intervallum"
Cuurrently incarcerated at BNR,  {-O^O-}   npet@bnr.ca  '86 BMW K100RS "Kay"
Maidenhead, The United Kingdom.   \ o /    Pres. PBWASOH(UK),  BS 0002
From: mtrost@convex.com (Matthew Trost)
Subject: Re: The best of times, the worst of times
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In <1993Apr20.161357.20354@ttinews.tti.com> paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein) writes:
>(note: this is not about the L.A. or NY Times)
>Turned out to be a screw unscrewed inside my Mikuni HS40
>carb.  I keep hearing that one should keep all of the screws
>tight on a bike, but I never thought that I had to do that
>on the screws inside of a carb.  At least it was roadside
>fixable and I was on my way in hardly any time.
You better check all the screws in that carb before you suck
one into a jug and munge a piston, or valve. I've seen it
happen before.
Matthew
From: doc@webrider.central.sun.com (Steve Bunis SE Southwest Chicago)
Subject: Cobra Locks
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I was posting to Alt.locksmithing about the best methods for securing
a motorcycle.  I got several responses referring to the Cobra Lock
(described below).  Has anyone come across a store carrying this lock
in the Chicago area?
Any other feedback from someone who has used this?
Thanks for any info.,
Steve
In article 1r1534INNraj@shelley.u.washington.edu, basiji@stein.u.washington.edu (David Basiji) writes:
>
> Incidentally, the best lock I've found for bikes is the Cobra Lock.
> It's a cable which is shrouded by an articulated, hardened steel sleeve.
> The lock itself is cylindrical and the locking pawl engages the joints
> at the articulation points so the chain can be adjusted (like handcuffs).
> You can't get any leverage on the lock to break it open and the cylinder
> is well-protected.  I wouldn't want to cut one of these without a torch
> and/or a vice and heavy duty cutting wheel.
>
---
Steve Bunis,  Sun Microsystems     ***DoD #0795***	93-ST1100
Itasca, IL	  ***AMA #682049***	78-KZ650
From: jrlaf@sgi502.msd.lmsc.lockheed.com (J. R. Laferriere)
Subject:   So, do any XXXX, I mean police officers read this stuff?
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
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I was just wondering if there were any law officers that read this.  I have
several questions I would like to ask pertaining to motorcycles and cops.
And please don't say get a vehicle code, go to your local station, or obvious
things like that.  My questions would not be found in those places nor
answered face to face with a real, live in the flesh, cop.
If your brother had a friend who had a cousin whos father was a cop, etc.
don't bother writing in.  Thanks.
From: speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer)
Subject: Re: Looking for MOVIES w/ BIKES
Organization: Louisiana Tech University
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Summary: Bike movies
Keywords: movies
In article <csundh30.735325668@ursa> csundh30@ursa.calvin.edu (Charles Sundheim) writes:
>Folks,
>I am assembling info for a Film Criticism class final project.
>Essentially I need any/all movies that use motos in any substantial
>capacity (IE; Fallen Angles, T2, H-D & the Marlboro Man,
>Raising Arizona, etc).
>Any help you fellow r.m'ers could give me would be much `preciated.
>(BTW, a summary of bike(s) or plot is helpful but not necessary)
Easy Rider (harleys, drugs, rednecks, New Orleans), Mad Max (violence, DoD
wanna-be's), Time Rider (Honda Thumper, Time travel), On Any Sunday
(Documentary about dirtbike racers, GREAT!), The (Great?) Escape (Steve
Mcqueen, Nazis), Rebel Without a Cause (James Dean, future DoD'ers).  I
think the last two are right, they are OLD movies I haven't seen in YEARS.
----===== DoD #8177 = Technician(Dr. Speed) .NOT. Student =====----
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From: speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer)
Subject: Re: So, do any XXXX, I mean police officers read this stuff?
Organization: Louisiana Tech University
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In article <1993Apr20.163629.29153@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> jrlaf@sgi502.msd.lmsc.lockheed.com (J. R. Laferriere) writes:
>I was just wondering if there were any law officers that read this.  I have
>several questions I would like to ask pertaining to motorcycles and cops.
>And please don't say get a vehicle code, go to your local station, or obvious
>things like that.  My questions would not be found in those places nor
>answered face to face with a real, live in the flesh, cop.
>If your brother had a friend who had a cousin whos father was a cop, etc.
>don't bother writing in.  Thanks.
I just gotta ask... What ARE these questions you want to ask an active cop?
Working on your DoD qualfications? B-)
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From: mdc2@pyuxe.cc.bellcore.com (corrado,mitchell)
Subject: Re: Route Suggestions?
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: usa
Summary: New York, heh?
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In article <1qmm5dINNnlg@cronkite.Central.Sun.COM>, doc@webrider.central.sun.com (Steve Bunis - Chicago) writes:
> 55E -> I-81/I-66E.  After this point the route is presently undetermined
> into Pennsylvania, New York?, and back to Chicago (by 6/6).  Suggestions
If you do make it into New York state, the Palisades Interstate Parkway is a
pleasant ride (beautiful scenery, good road surface, minimal traffic).  You
may also want to take a sidetrip along Seven Lakes Drive just off the parkway
for the same reasons plus the road sweeps up and down along the hills with
sweeping turns under old forest canopy.
'\                          Mitch Corrado
_\______           Bell Communications Research
/   DEC  \======== mdc2@panther.tnds.bellcore.com
____|___WRECK__\_____            (908)699-4128
/ ___________________ \
\/ _===============_ \/               MAD VAX
"-===============-"          -The "Code" Warrior-
From: karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr)
Subject: Re: New to Motorcycles...
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
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In article <1993Apr20.131800.16136@alw.nih.gov> gregh@niagara.dcrt.nih.gov (Gregory Humphreys) writes:
>Hello everyone.  I'm new to motorcycles so no flames please.  I don't
>have my bike yet so I need a few pieces of information:
>
>[...]  Any stories on how you all learned?
I'll tell you my story as an example of what *not* to do.
Early in 1984 I took some riding lessons from my college roommate on
his old Honda CB360T.  He had taken the MSF beginner's course, so I
actually learned *some* of what I needed to know to ride.
I proceeded to buy a beat-up Honda CL350 for $400 and a $12 helmet and
rode around wearing this and a cotton windbreaker.  Then I decided to
invest in a full-face helmet (first smart move).  Sometime around then
I also passed my road test.
On May 4, 1984, I got caught in a rainstorm on my way home from a
4-mile trip.  Entering the town where I lived (a rather urban suburb),
I had to stop suddenly for a red light that I noticed too late,
skidded the rear tire out, and was ejected face upward into the
oncoming lane of traffic.  Fortunately for me the oncoming traffic was
also stopped for the same red light, otherwise I might have slid under
a car and been killed.
Now this is anecdotal evidence, to be sure, but I later took the
Experienced Rider Course from the MSF and saw that earlier training
could have helped me greatly.  In your case the need is even greater
since you have nobody to help you practice even the most basic stuff
as I did.
So my advice is to take the MSF beginner's course first thing.  I
wouldn't even buy a bike until you've taken the course, unless you
happen to pick up a real good deal and can store it someplace until
you're ready to use it.
>1)  I only have about $1200-1300 to work with, so that would have
>to cover everything (bike, helmet, anything else that I'm too
>ignorant to know I need to buy)
While you're waiting to take the course (it might take a few weeks in
DC, as I recall there were always waiting lists in Boston), could you
save up some more money to start out right?  Say $300 for riding gear,
plus the cost bike, plus maybe $100 (guess) to a mechanic to make sure
the machine is safe (assuming you economize by buying some old beat-up
machine from a private individual), plus insurance, plus registration
and licensing fees, plus the course, you're looking at maybe $600 not
including the bike itself and a reserve for ongoing maintenance.
>2)  What is buying a bike going to do to my insurance?  I turn 18 in
>about a month so my parents have been taking care of my insurance up
>till now, and I need a comprehensive list of costs that buying a
>motorcycle is going to insure (I live in Washington DC if that makes
>a difference)
I pay about $100 insurance now (upstate NY) but it was closer to $200
in Boston (more urban) for decent insurance including substantial
coverage for liability, which you want unless you plan always to be
poor.  I'd guess DC is more like Boston than like a rural area, ergo
more expensive.
>3)  Any recommendations on what I should buy/where I should look for it?
There used to be annual buyer's guides in the usual motorcycle
magazines; I found those helpful in getting an idea of what new or
recent models might be available.  You could probably look through
past issues to size up what used bikes might be available.  (My first
bike was 13 years old when I bought it so I went on my friend's advice
instead.)  Also look at the bikes that you see people riding or that
are parked on the street.  I basically settled on my present bike by
noticing that there were a lot of high-mileage BMW's running around
and they were generally set up the way I wanted.
Nothing wrong with talking to various dealers in your area or visiting
showrooms.  Dealers in the Boston area, at least when I was shopping,
were very nice about letting you look around their showrooms and
quoting prices for bikes that weren't the latest models (hence
cheaper), although I ended up buying both bikes in private sales.
-- David Karr (karr@cs.cornell.edu)
-- '80 BMW R65   DoD #0969   also BMWMOA, NRA, ACLU, et al.
From: karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr)
Subject: Re: Help!  Which bikes are short?
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
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In article <1993Apr20.170445.18331@ncar.ucar.edu> bean@ra.cgd.ucar.edu (Gregory Bean) writes:
>Help!  I've got a friend shopping for her first motorcycle.  This is great!
>Unfortunately, she needs at most a 28" seat.  This is not great.  So far,
>the only thing we've found was an old and unhappy-looking KZ440.
Look for a happier-looking KZ440?
Suzuki used to have an L designation, for example my former boss had a
GS850L which had a seat a couple inches lower than the "regular"
GS850, but it was certainly no cruiser.
-- David Karr (karr@cs.cornell.edu)
-- '80 BMW R65   DoD #0969   also BMWMOA, NRA, ACLU, et al.
From: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears)
Subject: Re: bike for sale in MA, USA
Keywords: wicked-sexist
Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
Reply-To: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears)
Organization: Columbia University
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In article <1993Apr19.194630.102@zorro.tyngsboro.ma.us> jd@zorro.tyngsboro.ma.us (Jeff deRienzo) writes:
>I've recently become father of twins!  I don't think I can afford
> to keep 2 bikes and 2 babies.  Both babies are staying, so 1 of
> the Harleys is going.
>
>	1988 883 XLHD
>	~4000 mi.  (hey, it was my wife's bike :-)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Well that was pretty uncalled for. (No smile)
Is our Harley manhood feeling challenged?
> Jeff deRienzo
-------
"This is where I wanna sit and buy you a drink someday." - Temple of the Dog
Sea-Bass Sears --> scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu --> DoD#516 <-- |Stanley, ID.|
'79 Yamaha XS750F -- '77 BMW R100S -- '85 Toyota 4Runner --   |  NYC, NY.  |
From: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears)
Subject: MSF Program where?
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Reply-To: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears)
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Could someone mail me the archive location of the MSF Program (for
an IBM, right?)?
Thanks,
-------
"This is where I wanna sit and buy you a drink someday." - Temple of the Dog
Sea-Bass Sears --> scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu --> DoD#516 <-- |Stanley, ID.|
'79 Yamaha XS750F -- '77 BMW R100S -- '85 Toyota 4Runner --   |  NYC, NY.  |
From: lynn@pacesetter.com (Lynn E. Hall)
Subject: Re: story
Keywords: PARTY!!!!
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Organization: Siemens Pacesetter, Inc.
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>lynn@pacesetter.com (Lynn E. Hall) writes:
>
>>allowed (yes, there is a God). No open containers on the street was the
>>signs in the bars. Yeah, RIGHT! The 20 or so cops on hand for the couple of
>>thousand of bikers in a 1 block main street were not citing anyone. The
>>street was filled with empty cans at least 2 feet deep in the gutter. The
>>crowd was raisin' hell - tittie shows everywhere. Can you say PARTY?
>
>
>And still we wonder why they stereotype us...
>
>-Erc.
Whacha mean 'we'...ifin they (whom ever 'they' are) want to stereotype me
as one that likes to drink beer and watch lovely ladies display their
beautiful bodies - I like that stereotype.
If you were refering 'stereotype' to infer a negative - you noticed we
didn't rape, pillage, or burn down the town. We also left mucho bucks as in
MONEY with the town. Me thinks the town LIKES us. Least they said so.
Lynn Hall - NOS Bros
Subject: Re: Traffic morons
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford)
Distribution: world
Organization: Winona State University
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In article <C5sHD0.LH6@athena.cs.uga.edu>, ahatcher@athena.cs.uga.edu
(Allan Hatcher) wrote:
>
> You can't make a Citizens arrest on anything but a felony.
I'm not sure that's true.  Let me rephrase; "You can file a complaint
which will bring the person into court."  As I understand it, a
"citizens arrest" does not have to be the physical detention of
the person.
Better now?
====================================================
John Stafford   Minnesota State University @ Winona
All standard disclaimers apply.
From: frog@sarvax.cmhnet.org (Jeff 'Frog' Campbell)
Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this!
Organization: Comp3, Inc.
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From article <C5px3n.Kw0@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, by cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Dances With Federal Rangers):
> In article <1098@rider.UUCP> joe@rider.cactus.org writes:
>>cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Dances With Federal Rangers) writes:
>
>>]I'm going to buy a BMW just to cast a vote for Groucho.
>
>>I thought you were gonna buy a BMW for its superior power and handling...
>
> Yes, but the 535i was just a tad out of my price range...
>
>
> ObMotoWashing: Is it just me, or does everyone cut their finger(s) on the
> Evil Cotterpin (tm), lurking somewhere in the dark recesses of the back end
> of the bike, when giving the prized moto a bath?  I seem to slice the pinkie
> of one hand or the other *every* time (*both* of them this time!).
>
> Ride safe, send me your old MOA rags, y'all,
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> |        Cliff Weston           DoD# 0598          '92 Seca II             |
> |                                                                          |
> |  I thought it might be cool to have the whole bike done in powder coat,  |
> |      like maybe a black undercoat with neon splatter, or something.      |
> |                           -- Brian W Simmons                             |
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
It's you. Beemers have no EC (tm).
--
***  Jeff Campbell  N8WXS  '76 R75/6  70010,160  frog@sarvax.cmhnet.org  ***
Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford)
Distribution: world
Organization: Winona State University
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In article <1r16ja$dpa@news.ysu.edu>, ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker)
wrote:
>
>
> In a previous article, xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu () says:
>
> Mike Terry asks:
>
> >Is it possible to do a "wheelie" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive?
> >
> No Mike.  It is imposible due to the shaft effect.  The centripital effects
> of the rotating shaft counteract any tendency for the front wheel to lift
> off the ground.
This is true as evinced by the popularity of shaft-drive drag bikes.
====================================================
John Stafford   Minnesota State University @ Winona
All standard disclaimers apply.
From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: Cobra Locks
Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc.
Distribution: usa
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In article <1r1b3rINNale@cronkite.Central.Sun.COM> doc@webrider.central.sun.com writes:
>I was posting to Alt.locksmithing about the best methods for securing
>a motorcycle.  I got several responses referring to the Cobra Lock
>(described below).  Has anyone come across a store carrying this lock
>in the Chicago area?
It is available through some dealerships, who in turn have to back
order it from the manufacturer directly.  Each one is made to order, at least
if you get a nonstandard length (standard is 5', I believe).
>Any other feedback from someone who has used this?
See below
>In article 1r1534INNraj@shelley.u.washington.edu, basiji@stein.u.washington.edu (David Basiji) writes:
>>
>> Incidentally, the best lock I've found for bikes is the Cobra Lock.
>> It's a cable which is shrouded by an articulated, hardened steel sleeve.
>> The lock itself is cylindrical and the locking pawl engages the joints
>> at the articulation points so the chain can be adjusted (like handcuffs).
>> You can't get any leverage on the lock to break it open and the cylinder
>> is well-protected.  I wouldn't want to cut one of these without a torch
>> and/or a vice and heavy duty cutting wheel.
I have a 6' long CobraLinks lock that I used to use for my Harley (she
doesn't get out much anymore, so I don't use the lock that often anymore).  It
is made of 3/4" articulated steel shells covering seven strands of steel cable.
It is probably enough to stop all the joyriders, but, unfortunately,
professionals can open it rather easily:
1) Freeze a link.
2) Break frozen link with your favorite method (hammers work well).
3) Snip through the steel cables (which, I have on authority, are
frightfully thin) with a set of boltcutters.
For the same money, you can get a Kryptonite cable lock, which is
anywhere from 1/2" to 7/8" thick steel cable (looks like steel rope), shielded
in a flexible covering to protect your bike's finish, and has a barrel-type
locking mechanism.  I don't know if it's adjustable, but my source says it's
more difficult to pick than most locks, and the cable tends to squish flat
in bolt-cutter jaws rather than shear (5/8" model).
All bets are off if the thief has a die grinder with a cutoff wheel.
Even the most durable locks tested yield to this tool in less than one minute.
FYI, I'll be getting a Krypto cable next paycheck.
Later,
--
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC	  1991 ZX-11 - needs a name
agree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.
From: paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein)
Subject: Re: A Point for Helmet Law is a Point for MC B
Nntp-Posting-Host: harley.tti.com
Organization: Black Belt Motorcyclists Association
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In article <5967@prcrs.prc.com> terry@prcrs.prc.com (Terry Cunningham) writes:
+
+I know of no law, either on the books or proposed, that bans motorcycles
+from any place that i want to go to.
Many private places ban bikes.  For example, the famous 17 mile
drive at the Monterrey Peninsula.  And I have stayed at resorts
that sported a "No motorcycles allowed" sign at the entrance.
And there have been public places.  Call the AMA and ask for
Jim Bensberg (sp?) or any one else in their Legislative Office.
They will recound the many public places that they had to bring
to court to reverse their ban on bikes.  That includes everything
from public parks to full cities.  There are probably a few fights
on their books as we now speak.  That is another good reason to
donate to their legislative fund.
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From: sproulx@bmtlh204.BNR.CA (Stephane Proulx)
Subject: Re: Cobra Locks
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You may find it useful.
(This is a repost. The original sender is at the bottom.)
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From: eeharvey@cybaswan.UUCP (i t harvey)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Best way to lock a bike ?
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Date: 15 Jul 92 09:47:10 GMT
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These are the figures from the Performance Bikes lock test, taken without
permission of course. The price is for comparison. All the cable locks
have some sort of armour, the chain locks are padlock and chain. Each
lock was tested for a maximum of ten minutes (600 secs) for each test:
BJ	Bottle jack
CD	Cutting disc
BC	Bolt croppers
GAS	Gas flame
The table should really be split into immoblisers (for-a-while) and
lock-to-somethings (for-a-short-while) to make comparisons.
Type	Weight	BJ	CD	BC	GAS	Total	Price
(kg)	(sec)	(sec)	(sec)	(sec)	(sec)	(Pounds)
========================================================================
=========
3-arm		Folding	.8	53	5	13	18	89	26
Cyclelok	bar
Abus Steel-o-	Cable	1.4	103	4	20	26	153	54
flex
Oxford		Cable	2.0	360	4	32	82	478	38
Revolver
Abus Diskus	Chain	2.8	600	7	40	26	675	77
6-arm		Folding	1.8	44	10	600	22	676	51
Cyclelok	bar
Abus Extra	U-lock	1.2	600	10	120	52	782	44
Cobra		Cable	6.0(!)	382	10	600	22	1014	150
(6ft)
Abus closed	Chain	4.0	600	11	600	33	1244	100
shackle
Kryptonite	U-lock	2.5	600	22	600	27	1249	100
K10
Oxford		U-lock	2.0	600	7	600	49	1256	38
Magnum
Disclock	Disc	.7	n/a	44	n/a	38	1282	43
lock
Abus 58HB	U-lock	2.5	600	26	600	64	1290	100
Mini Block	Disc	.65	n/a	51	n/a	84	1335	50
lock
========================================================================
=========
Pretty depressing reading. I think a good lock and some common sense about
where and when you park your bike is the only answer. I've spent all my
spare time over the last two weeks landscaping (trashing) the garden of
my (and two friends with bikes) new house to accommodate our three bikes in
relative security (never underestimate how much room a bike requires to
manouver in a walled area :( ). Anyway, since the weekend there are only two
bikes :( and no, he didn't use his Abus closed shackle lock, it was too much
hassle to take with him when visiting his parents. A minimum wait of 8
weeks (if they don't decide to investigate) for the insurance company
to make an offer and for the real haggling to begin.
Abus are a German company and it would seem not well represented in the US
but very common in the UK. The UK distributor, given in the above article
is:
Michael Brandon Ltd,
15/17 Oliver Crescent,
Hawick,
Roxburgh TD9 9BJ.
Tel. 0450 73333
The UK distributors for the other locks can also given if required.
Don't lose it
Ian
--
_______________________________________________________________________
Ian Harvey, University College Swansea         Too old to rock'n'roll
eeharvey@uk.ac.swan.pyr                              Too young to die
'79 GS750E
From: Clarke@bdrc.bd.com (Richard Clarke)
Subject: Countersteering sans Hands
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So how do I steer when my hands aren't on the bars? (Open Budweiser in left
hand, Camel cigarette in the right, no feet allowed.) If I lean, and the
bike turns, am I countersteering? Is countersteering like benchracing only
with a taller seat, so your feet aren't on the floor?
-Rick
From: pstone@well.sf.ca.us (Philip K. Stone)
Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies
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In article <1993Apr19.164842.18206@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
>Is it possible to do a "wheelie" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive?
>
>Mike Terry
No.
At least, that's what I told the NASA rent-a-cop that stopped me
because he swore I was "lifting it up."
He didn't completely buy the part about water in the carbs, either.
Phil Stone                  NEW ADDRESS----------> pstone@well.sf.ca.us
'83 R80ST                                           "Motorcycles OK"
From: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears)
Subject: Re: Route Suggestions?
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In article <1993Apr20.173413.29301@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> mdc2@pyuxe.cc.bellcore.com (corrado,mitchell) writes:
>In article <1qmm5dINNnlg@cronkite.Central.Sun.COM>, doc@webrider.central.sun.com (Steve Bunis - Chicago) writes:
>> 55E -> I-81/I-66E.  After this point the route is presently undetermined
>> into Pennsylvania, New York?, and back to Chicago (by 6/6).  Suggestions
>
>If you do make it into New York state, the Palisades Interstate Parkway is a
>pleasant ride (beautiful scenery, good road surface, minimal traffic).  You
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Been a while since you hit the PIP? The pavement (at least until around
exit 9) is for sh*t these days. I think it must have taken a beating
this winter, because I don't remember it being this bad. It's all
breaking apart, and there are some serious potholes now. Of course
there are also the storm drains that are *in* your lane as opposed
to on the side of the road (talk about annoying cost saving measures).
As for traffic, don't try it around 5:15 - 6:30 on weekdays (outbound,
rush hour happens inbound too) as there are many BDC's...
<...> <...>
>               '\                          Mitch Corrado
>               /   DEC  \======== mdc2@panther.tnds.bellcore.com
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Sea-Bass Sears --> scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu --> DoD#516 <-- |Stanley, ID.|
'79 Yamaha XS750F -- '77 BMW R100S -- '85 Toyota 4Runner --   |  NYC, NY.  |
From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr)
Subject: Re: Hell-mets.
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In article <217766@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com> maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:
>
>
> Having talked to a couple people about helmets & dropping, I'm getting
>about 20% "Don't sweat it", 78% "You might think about replacing it" and the
>other 2% "DON'T RIDE WITH IT! GO WITHOUT A HELMET FIRST!"
>
> Is there any way to tell if a helmet is damaged structurally? I dropped it
>about 2 1/2 feet to cement off my seat, chipped the paint. Didn't seem to
>screw up the actual shell.
I'd bet the price of the helmet that it's okay...From 6 feet
or higher, maybe not.
> If I don't end up replacing it in the real near future, would I do better
>to wear my (totally nondamaged) 3/4 face DOT-RATED cheapie which doesn't fit
>as well or keep out the wind as well, or wearing the Shoei RF-200 which is a
>LOT more comfortable, keeps the wind out better, is quieter... but might
>have some minor damage?
I'd wear the full facer, but then, I'd be *way* more worried
about wind blast in the face, and inability to hear police
sirens, than the helmet being a little damaged.
> Also, what would you all reccomend as far as good helmets? I'm slightly
>disappointed by how badly the shoei has scratched & etc from not being
>bloody careful about it, and how little impact it took to chip the paint
>(and arguably mess it up, period)... Looking at a really good full-face with
>good venting & wind protection... I like the Shoei style, kinda like the
>Norton one I saw awhile back too... But suspect I'm going to have to get a
>much more expensive helmet if I want to not replace it every time I'm not
>being careful where I set it down.
Well, my next helmet will be, subject to it fitting well, an AGV
sukhoi. That's just because I like the looks. My current one is
a Shoei task5, and it's getting a little old, and I crashed in
it once a couple of years ago (no hard impact to head...My hip
took care of that.). If price was a consideration I'd get
a Kiwi k21, I hear they are both good and cheap.
> Christ, I don't treat my HEAD as carefully as I treated the shoei as far as
>tossing it down, and I don't have any bruises on it.
Be *mildly* mildly paranoid about the helmet, but don't get
carried away. There are people on the net (like those 2% you
mentioned) that do not consistently live on our planet...
Regards, Charles
DoD0.001
RZ350
--
Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of
separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time,
struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing
gourd. --Unknown net.person
From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine)
Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post
Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division
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In article <1993Apr19.155551.227@cs.cornell.edu> karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr) writes:
>In article <mjs.735230272@zen.sys.uea.ac.uk> mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) writes:
>>
>>No No No No!! All I am saying is that you don't even need to tell people the
>>technique of countersteering, cos they will do it intuitively the first
>>time they try to go round a corner.
Some will, and others will steer with their tuchuses. I don't know how much
the teaching of countersteering in the beginner course really helps the
tuchus steerers. I was one, I guess that I always steered a bicycle that way,
and I only got the hang of countersteering in normal riding *after* the course.
I could do the countersteering swerves in the course no problem, but I only
started using it in my normal riding when I decided that my turning at speed
(off-ramps and the like) was a lot more difficult that it should have been.
I knew how it works (although that's currently up for debate) definitely knew
*that* it works, as I could do it in swerves, but only figured it out later
in my normal riding. Just a data point. I think that it's not a bad idea to
bring the idea up, but it's best to let everyone tuchus-steer for the first
lesson or two, so they can learn to shift gears before they have to worry
about proper handlebar technique.
>countersteering.  In fact, my Experienced Rider Course instructors
>claimed that they could get on behind a new rider and make the bike
>turn to whichever side they wanted just by shifting their weight
>around, even when the operator was trying to turn in the opposite
>direction.  (I admit I've never actually seen this.)
I have. In our beginner course we had passenger training. Sometime during
the lesson the instructor would hop on the back of the bike, and the student
would take him for a ride. If the student did not give the instructor the
"you are a sack of potatoes" passenger speech, the instructor would steer
the bike and make a general nuisance of himself. It was amusing to watch,
I'm just happy that it didn't happen to me.
I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada
From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine)
Subject: Re: Question about helmets
Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division
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In article <1qmnp8INN31v@mojo.eng.umd.edu> oconnor@eng.umd.edu (Mark O'Connor) writes:
>
>On the other side of the fence, I owned a Bieffe off-road helmet.
>Took what I would consider a minor fall, and had visible damage
>to the shell.  Yes, the helmet did its job.  But the damage/impact
>ratio was scary.  I own Bell Moto-5 now, have taken impacts on
>order of twice the Bieffe impact (we do this frequently in MX),
>and don't even have a scratch on it after two seasons.  My
>recommendation is to buy _high_ quality gear.  YMMV.
When your helmetted nogin hits an immoveabe object, there are only four things
to dissipate the energy: the immoveable object, the helmet shell, the helmet
liner, the rider's head, the rider's ego (ok, five). Assuming that the helmet/
head assembly takes the same impact, if the shell cracks in one case, then in
the other the liner must be dented, or the head gets jiggled. If it's the
the liner that's dented, the helmet is just as toast as if the shell were
cracked, it won't absorb energy form an impact in that area. If it's the head
that's getting jiggled, maybe the new gear isn't of as high quality after all?
I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada
From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine)
Subject: Re: Ok, So I was a little hasty...
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In article <speedy.155@engr.latech.edu> speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer) writes:
>In article <jnmoyne-190493111630@moustic.lbl.gov> jnmoyne@lbl.gov (Jean-Noel Moyne) writes:
>>       Ok, hold on a second and clarify something for me:
>
>>       What does "DWI" stand for ? I thought it was "DUI" for Driving Under
>>Influence, so here what does W stand for ?
>
>Driving While Intoxicated.
>
>This was changed here in Louisiana when a girl went to court and won her
>case by claiming to be stoned on pot, NOT intoxicated on liquor!
Here it's driving while impaired. That about covers everything.
I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada
From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine)
Subject: Re: Wanted: Advice for New Cylist
Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division
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In article <C5r7Ey.7Mq@srgenprp.sr.hp.com> blaisec@sr.hp.com (Blaise Cirelli) writes:
>
>I'm thinking of buying a motorcycle. Whenever I tell people
>this I usually get an answer like "Why do you want to do that
>My brother, sister, cousin knows somebody who had a motorcycle
>and now they are brain dead as a result of an accident?"
>
>So the question I have is "HOW DANGEROUS IS RIDING"?
It's exactly as dangerous as it looks. You're hard to see and have little
protection. Keeping out of trouble means knowing your limits, keeping your
machine in good shape and being able to predict and make up for every stupid
move that drivers make out there. We deal with it because it's fun, but
staying alive takes a conscious effort.
I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada
From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr)
Subject: Re: Insurance and lotsa points...
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In article <1993Apr18.230531.11329@bcars6a8.bnr.ca> keithh@bnr.ca (Keith Hanlan) writes:
>In article <13386@news.duke.edu> infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante) writes:
>>Well, it looks like I'm F*cked for insurance.
>>
>>I had a DWI in 91 and for the beemer, as a rec.
>>vehicle, it'll cost me almost $1200 bucks to insure/year.
>>
>>Now what do I do?
>
>Sell the bike and the car and start taking the bus. That way you can
>keep drinking which seems to be where your priorities lay.
>
>I expect that enough of us on this list have lost friends because of
>driving drunks that our collective sympathy will be somewhat muted.
Look, guy, I doubt anyone here approves of Drunk Driving, but if
he's been caught and convicted and punished maybe you ought to
lighten up? I mean, it isn't like most of us haven't had a few
and then ridden or driven home. *We* just didn't get caught.
And I can speak for myself and say it will *never* happen again,
but that is beside the point.
In answer to the original poster: I'd insure whatever vehicle
is cheapest, and can get you to and from work, and suffer
through it for a few years, til your rates drop.
And *don't* drink and drive. I had one friend killed by a
drunk, and I was rear ended by one, totaling my bike (bent
frame), and only failing to kill me because I had an eye
on my mirror while I waited at the stoplight.
Regards, Charles
DoD0.001
RZ350
--
Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of
separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time,
struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing
gourd. --Unknown net.person
From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr)
Subject: Re: dogs
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In article <C5pntM.8Co@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers) writes:
>This tactic depends for its effectiveness on the dog's conformance to
>a "psychological norm" that may not actually apply to a particular dog.
>I've tried it with some success before, but it won't work on a Charlie Manson
>dog or one that's really, *really* stupid.  A large Irish Setter taught me
>this in *my* yard (apparently HIS territory) one day.  I'm sure he was playing
>a game with me.  The game was probably "Kill the VERY ANGRY Neighbor" Before
>He Can Dispense the TERRIBLE PUNISHMENT.
What, a dog weighs 150lb maybe, at max? You can't handle it?
You have, I presume, thumbs? Grapple with it and tear it's head
off!
Sheesh, even a trained attack dog is no match for a human,
we have *all* the advantages.
Regards, Charles
DoD0.001
RZ350
--
Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of
separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time,
struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing
gourd. --Unknown net.person
From: brown@venus.iucf.indiana.edu (Robert J. Brown)
Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies
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In article <Stafford-200493103434@stafford.winona.msus.edu>, Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford) writes...
>>>>>> On 19 Apr 93 21:48:42 GMT, xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu said:
>>  Is it possible to do a "wheelie" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive?
>
>	Yes, but the _rear_ wheel comes off the ground, not the front.
> See, it just HOPS into the air!  Figure.
>John Stafford
Sure you can do wheelies with a shaft drive bike. I had a BMW R100RS
that was a wheelie monster! Of course it didn't have the initial power
burst to just twist it into the air - I had to pop the clutch. I also
had to replace front fork seals a few times as well. The fairing is a
bit heavy to be slamming down onto those little stantion tubes all the
time. But let me give you fair warning: I trashed the ring/pinion gear
in the final drive of my K75 (I assume) doing wheelies. And this was
NO cheap fix either!! There is some kind of "slip" device in the shaft
to prevent IT from breaking. Unfortunately, it didn't save the gears!
On the topic of wheelies, the other day I saw a kid on a big Hurricane
do a "stoppy"(?), or rear wheelie. Man, he had the rear end on this bike
up about 2 feet off the ground at a traffic light. I don't recommend these
activities anymore (now that I'm an "old guy" with kids of my own) but
it looked damn impressive!!
If you can't keep both tires on the ground, at least have 'em pointed
in that direction! :-)
Cheers,
B**2
From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda)
Subject: Re: Insurance and lotsa points...
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In article <1993Apr19.152527.23658@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> jrlaf@sgi502.msd.lmsc.lockheed.com (J. R. Laferriere) writes:
|
|Now now Keith, just calm down.  What are you some prohibitionist prick?  The
|point of Andrew Infante's posting was obvious to solicit suggestions pertaining
|to the cost of insurance and the like.  I don't care if you are MADD or SADD or
|whatever; keep it to yourself, we'd all appreciate that.
Well, simply put, drinking is irrelavent.  Driving drunk is indefensable and
unforgivable.  There is a large differnece.
But, then, with an attitude like yours, I expect you'll be dead soon.  I just
hope you don't take a human being out with you.
Dave Svoboda (svoboda@void.rtsg.mot.com)    | "I'm getting tired of
90 Concours 1000 (Mmmmmmmmmm!)              |  beating you up, Dave.
84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Woops!)              |  You never learn."
AMA 583905  DoD #0330  COG 939  (Chicago)   |  -- Beth "Bruiser" Dixon
From: alanf@eng.tridom.com (Alan Fleming)
Subject: Re: New to Motorcycles...
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In article <1993Apr20.163315.8876@adobe.com>, cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes:
|> In article <1993Apr20.131800.16136@alw.nih.gov> gregh@niagara.dcrt.nih.gov (Gregory Humphreys) writes:
> }1)  I only have about $1200-1300 to work with, so that would have
> }to cover everything (bike, helmet, anything else that I'm too
> }ignorant to know I need to buy)
>
> The following numbers are approximate, and will no doubt get me flamed:
>
> Helmet (new, but cheap)					$100
> Jacket (used or very cheap)				$100
> Gloves (nothing special)				$ 20
> Motorcycle Safety Foundation riding course (a must!)	$140
^^^
Wow!  Courses in Georgia are much cheaper.  $85 for both.
>
The list looks good, but I'd also add:
Heavy Boots (work, hiking, combat, or similar)         $45
Think Peace.
-- Alan (alanf@eng.tridom.com)
KotBBBB (1988 GSXR1100J)  AMA# 634578  DOD# 4210  PGP key available
From: Christine Hogan <ch3c+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Strange Experience
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Hi
I t was very nice out yesterday in the 'burgh, so i rode my bike
to my gynecologist appointment. When he came in to do the exam,
he noticed my helmet sitting on a chair. He got excited and picked it up
and started asking all sorts of questions about bikes and dealers in the
area and the MSF course. Apparently he rode a friends 125 for a
while years ago and recently the bug to ride caught him again.
Needless to say, I had never before talked about bikes so much in
such a position, if ya know what I mean :->
|Chris Hogan	ch3c+@andrew.cmu.edu |CB-1|
|         1127                 |
| Soft as the massacre of Suns |
| By Evening's Sabres slain    |
|             emily dickinson  |
From: mbeaving@bnr.ca (Michael Beavington)
Subject: Re: Good Reasons to Wave at each other
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In article <222834@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com>, maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:
|>
|>  One of those "morning, just getting the coffee in me" thoughts:
|>
|>  Waving at other bikers makes more sense than just "Hey, how's it going,
|> nice to meet you on the road, have a good ride"
|>
|>  1) If you're watching for other bikes to wave to, it means your attention
|> is on the road, where it should be, and you're more likely to see cages.
|>
|>  2) It keeps you in the habit of watching really carefully for bikes when
|> you're IN a cage. This is a Good Thing.
The down side is that when I'm in my cage, I have on numerous occasions
slammed my hand into the rolled up window in an effort to wave at
a passing biker.  Ow.
--
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= The Beav |Mike Beavington|BellNorthernResearch Ottawa,Ont,Canada| Dod:9733=
= Seca 400->Seca 400->RZ350->Seca750->Suzuki550->Seca650turbo->V65Sabre     =
= (-> 1994 GTS1000 ...can't afford the '93) |  mbeaving@bnr.ca              =
= Parking spaces? We don't need no steenkin' parking spaces!                =
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From: harley-request@thinkage.on.ca (Harley Mailing List Digest)
Subject: Harley-Davidson Mailing List -- an Email taste sensation!
Summary: a sort of bi-monthly not really automated announcement
Originator: hogreq@hog.thinkage.on.ca
Keywords: digests, lists, harley-davidson, hogaholics
Supersedes: <93mar09-hog-announce@hog.thinkage.on.ca>
Organization: Thinkage Ltd.
Expires: Fri, 30 Apr 1993 11:00:00 GMT
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Anyone interesting in a mailing list for Harley-Davidson bikes, lifestyle,
politics, H.O.G. and whatever over 310 members from 14 countries make it,
may subscribe by sending a request to:
harley-request@thinkage.on.ca
or  uunet.ca!thinkage!harley-request
***
* Your request to join should have a signature or something giving your full
* Email address.  Do not RELY on the header "From:" field being useful to me.
*
* This is not an automated "listserv" facility. Do not expect instant
* gratification.
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The list is a digest format scheduled for twice a day.
Members of the harley list may obtain back-issues and subject-index
listings, pictures, etc. via an Email archive server.
Server access is restricted to list subscribers only.
FTP access "real soon".
Other motorcycle related lists i've heard of (not run by me),
these addresses may or may not be current:
2-stroke:     2strokes-request@microunity.com
Dirt:         dirt-request@zygot.ati.com
European:     listserv@frigg.isc-br.com
Racing:       race-request@formula1.corp.sun.com
digest-request@formula1.corp.sun.com
Short Riding: short-request@smarmy.sun.com
Wet Leather:  listserv@frigg.isc-br.com
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It climbs the hills like a Matchless 'cause my Honda's built really light...
-Brian Wilson (Honda Honda)
From: heathman@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Michael Heathman)
Subject: Re: dogs
Originator: heathman@troon.ncsa.uiuc.edu
Organization: Nat'l Ctr for Supercomp App (NCSA) @ University of Illinois
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In article <93Apr20.193958.30419@acs.ucalgary.ca> parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes:
>
>What, a dog weighs 150lb maybe, at max? You can't handle it?
>
>You have, I presume, thumbs? Grapple with it and tear it's head
>off!
>
>Sheesh, even a trained attack dog is no match for a human,
>we have *all* the advantages.
>
>Regards, Charles
>DoD0.001
>RZ350
>--
Professionals who train guard dogs, when polled, gave themselves a
1 in 4 chance of survival tackling a trained dog unarmed.  A trained guard
dog is not to be trifled with.  An untrained mutt may be another story.
ObMoto:  A local dog used to chase me all the time.  Really annoying.  I
finally started stopping every time he'd chase me.  He didn't know what to do
then and would usually just slink off the road.  After a couple weeks of this
he stopped chasing me altogether.  He would still chase cars or other bikes,
though.  I think he recognized me when I went by ;-).
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-  Lilly Research           T500 - Titan (Awaiting Resurrection)             -
-  Indianapolis, IN        "Where am I to go, now that I've gone too far?    -
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From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown)
Subject: Need parts/info for 1963 Maicoletta scooter
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
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NNTP-Posting-Host: slack
Posted for a friend:
Looking for tires, dimensions 14" x 3.25" or 3.35"
Also looking for brakes or info on relining existing shoes.
Also any other Maicoletta owners anywhere to have contact with.
Call Scott at 801-583-1354 or email me.
--
I saw fops by the thousand sew themselves together round the Lloyds building.
DISCLAIMER: My writings have NOTHING to do with my employer.  Keep it that way.
Pete Ashdown          pashdown@slack.sim.es.com            Salt Lake City, Utah
From: delilah@next18pg2.wam.umd.edu (Romeo DeVerona)
Subject: Re: New to Motorcycles...
Nntp-Posting-Host: next18pg2.wam.umd.edu
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
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> > Motorcycle Safety Foundation riding course (a must!)	$140
>                                                          ^^^
> Wow!  Courses in Georgia are much cheaper.  $85 for both.
> >
>
in maryland, they were $25 each when i learned to ride 3 years ago. now,
it's $125 (!) for the beginner riders' course and $60 for the experienced
riders' course (which, admittedly, takes only about half the time ).
-D-
From: dab@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (David A. Braun)
Subject: Wrecked BMW
Originator: dab@necs
Nntp-Posting-Host: necs
Organization: Vanderbilt University School of Engineering, Nashville, TN, USA
Distribution: na
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Do you or does anyone you know have a wrecked 1981 or later R80(anything)
or R100(anything) that they are interested in getting rid of?  I need
a motor, but will buy a whole bike.
email replies to:	David.Braun@FtCollinsCO.NCR.com
or:		dab@vuse.vanderbilt.edu
or phone:	303/223-5100 x9487 (voice mail)
303/229-0952	   (home)
From: dana@lando.la.locus.com (Dana H. Myers)
Subject: What is a squid? (was Re: Riceburner Respect)
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
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In article <C5qqxp.IE1@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com> hartzler@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (Jerry Hartzler - CATS) writes:
>In article <1993Apr15.192558.3314@icomsim.com> mmanning@icomsim.com (Michael Manning) writes:
>
>>duck. Squids don't wave, or return waves ever, even to each
>       ^^^^^^
>    excuse me for being an ignoramus, but what are these.
Squids are everybody but me and you.  Chris Behanna is especially a squid.
--
* Dana H. Myers KK6JQ 		| Views expressed here are	*
* (310) 337-5136 		| mine and do not necessarily	*
* dana@locus.com  DoD #466 	| reflect those of my employer	*
* This Extra supports the abolition of the 13 and 20 WPM tests *
From: ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau)
Subject: where to put your helmet
Reply-To: ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau)
Distribution: world
Organization: Computer Dynamics-Vancouver B.C.-(604)986-9937 (604)255-9937
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CB>From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
CB>>maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:
CB>>|>
CB>>|>  Grf. Dropped my Shoei RF-200 off the seat of my bike while trying to
CB>>|> rock
CB>>|> it onto it's centerstand, chipped the heck out of the paint on it...
CB>        Do I have to be the one to say it?
CB>        DON'T BE SO STUPID AS TO LEAVE YOUR HELMET ON THE SEAT WHERE IT CAN
CB>        FALL DOWN AND GO BOOM!
CB>        HELMETS GO ON THE GROUND, ON A TABLE, ON A CHAIR, ON A SHELF, OR ON
CB>        ANY OTHER SURFACE THAT IS LARGE ENOUGH TO SUPPORT THEM SO THAT THEY
CB>        WILL NOT EASILY BE KNOCKED DOWN.
Another good place for your helmet is your mirror (!). I kid you not. If
you own a typical standard or other bike with fairly average mirrors
that screw into your handlebars, your helmet should fit over your mirror
and be fairly stable. I doubt I have to mention it, but this trick isn't
quite so smart on a GoldWing, CBR600, any GSXR, or any bike with
fairing-mounted mirrors.
I was a little surprised, though, to find that you had your helmet on
your seat while you were centerstanding your bike. I usually leave my
helmet on until my bike is parked, if for no other reason than I
wouldn't want my helmet to be on any surface that I was about to start
tilting and jerking . . .
Ryan Cousinetc.|1982 Yamaha Vision XZ550 -Black Pig of Inverness|Live to Ride
KotRB          |1958 AJS 500 C/S -King Rat                      |to Work to
DoD# 0863      |I'd be a squid if I could afford the bike...    |Flame to
ryan.cousineau@compdyn.questor.org  |   Vancouver, BC, Canada   |Live . . .
I saw the quote below on a pair of Nankai race-replica leathers. I think
this sort of phrase is typically known as "Japlish."
* SLMR 2.1a * "Drive Agressively  Rash Magnificently" -Nankai Leathers
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From: ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau)
Subject: Spagthorpe Viking
Reply-To: ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau)
Distribution: world
Organization: Computer Dynamics-Vancouver B.C.-(604)986-9937 (604)255-9937
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DS>From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
DS>ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau)  writes:
DS>>Riding up the hill leading to my
DS>>house, I encountered a liver-and-white Springer Spaniel (no relation to
DS>>the Springer Softail, or the Springer Spagthorpe, a close relation to
DS>>the Spagthorpe Viking).
DS>        I must have missed the article on the Spagthorpe Viking.  Was
DS>that the one with the little illuminated Dragon's Head on the front
DS>fender, a style later copied by Indian, and the round side covers?
No. Not at all. The Viking was a trick little unit made way back when
(forties? fifties?) when Spag was trying to make a go of it in racing.
The first iteration (the Springer) was a boxer twin, very similar to Max
Friz's famous design, but with an overhead "point cam" (see below for
more on the valvetrain). The problem was that the thing had no ground
clearance whatsoever. The solution was to curve the cylinder bores, so
that the ground clearance was substantially increased:
==@==   <-Springer motor (front)
Viking motor (front) ->   \=@=/
This is roughly the idea, except that the bores were gradually curved
around a radius, as the pistons were loath to make a sharp-angled turn
in the middle of their stroke. The engine also had curved connecting
rods to accomodate the stroke.
The engine stuck out so far because of its revolutionary (and still
unique) overhead cam system. Through the use of clever valve timing and
and extrordinarily trick valve linkage, only a single cam lobe was
required to drive both overhead valves.
Just as revolutionary was the hydraulic valve actuation, which used a
pressurized stream of oil to power the "waterwheel" which kept the lobe
spinning over. One side effect that required some rather brutal
engineering fixes was that until the engine's oil pressure came up to
normal, the engine's valve timing would be more or less random,
resulting in some impressive start-up valve damage. The solution was a
little hand crank that pressurized the cases before you started the
beast, remarkably similar to the system used in new Porsches to
pressurize the oil system before the car is started (the cage, however,
uses an electric oil pump. Wimps).
Despite this fix, the engine had a nasty propensity for explosively
firing its valves into the pistons when a cylinder would temporarily
lose a bit of oil pressure in a corner. The solution was to run even
higher oil pressures and change the gaskets and seals regularly. This
was feasible because it was a racing engine.
With just a single overhead lobe, and no pushrod/shaft/chain towers
because of the hydraulic system, the head of the engine came to an
almost perfect point:
/\
/()\   <-lobe
/ XX \  <-complex linkage (not shown due to
valvestems ->   / \  / \    complexity)
|  |   | |
|  |===| |
=0=  <---piston
|
Note that the tip was not truly vertical
(it was at about a 70 degree angle to the
ground, and this drawing doesn't show the
curvature because there was none in the
head itself. The bore curve would start
about where the cylinder bore disappears in
this diagram
The effect of the pointy heads on top of a pair of gently (pundits of
the day even said sensuously) curved cylinders was much like a pair of
finned Viking horns poking out from beneath the gas tank. Thus, the
name.
The Vik was a moderately successful racer, lightning fast when it
worked, but plagued by problems relating to its revolutionary
technology. Eventually, it was dumped when Spag finally realized that
racing was not where the Spagthorpe name would be made. The machines
were raced for another year or two by privateers, and their fate
(approximately six Vikings were made, plus one or possibly two
Springers. Confusing the issue is one old Spag staffer who swears up and
down that this machine was tooled for production, and that as many as
twenty or thirty machines may have come off the line. However, no modern
record of a production Viking has survived, and most motorcycle
historians discount this story.
Ryan Cousinetc.|1982 Yamaha Vision XZ550 -Black Pig of Inverness|Live to Ride
KotRB          |1958 AJS 500 C/S -King Rat                      |to Work to
DoD# 0863      |I'd be a squid if I could afford the bike...    |Flame to
ryan.cousineau@compdyn.questor.org  |   Vancouver, BC, Canada   |Live . . .
* SLMR 2.1a * If you aren't sliding, you aren't riding.
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From: robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson)
Subject: Krypto cables (was Re: Cobra Locks)
Organization: Institute of Cognitive Studies, U.C. Berkeley
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Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: cogsci.berkeley.edu
In article <1993Apr20.184432.21485@research.nj.nec.com> behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:
>	For the same money, you can get a Kryptonite cable lock, which is
>anywhere from 1/2" to 7/8" thick steel cable (looks like steel rope), shielded
>in a flexible covering to protect your bike's finish, and has a barrel-type
>locking mechanism.  I don't know if it's adjustable, but my source says it's
>more difficult to pick than most locks, and the cable tends to squish flat
>in bolt-cutter jaws rather than shear (5/8" model).
>
>	FYI, I'll be getting a Krypto cable next paycheck.
A word of warning, though:  Kryptonite also sells almost useless cable
locks under the Kryptonite name.
When I obtained my second motorcycle, I migrated one of my Kryptonite
U-locks from my bicycle to the new bike.  I then went out shopping for
a new lock for the bicycle.
For about the same money ($20) I had the choice of a Kryptonite cable lock
(advantages: lock front and back wheels on bicycle and keep them both,
Kryptonite name) or a cheesy no-name U-lock (advantages: real steel).
I chose the Kryptonite cable.  After less than a week, I took it back in
disgust and exchanged it for the cheesy no-name U-lock.
First, the Krypto cable I bought is not made by Kryptonite, is not covered by
the Kryptonite guarantee, and doesn't even approach Kryptonite standards of
quality and quality assurance.  It is just some generic made-in-Taiwan cable
lock with the Kryptonite name on it.
Secondly, the latch engagement mechanism is something of a joke.  I
don't know if mine was a particularly poor example, but it was often
quite frustrating to get the latch to positively engage, and sometimes
it would seem to engage, only to fall open when I went to unlock it.
Thirdly, the lock has a little plastic door on the keyway which serves
the sole purpose of frustrating any attempt to insert the key in the
dark.  I didn't try it (obviously), but I have my doubts that the
lock mechanism would stand up to an "insert screwdriver and TORQUE"
attack.
Fourthly, the cable was not, in my opinion, of sufficient thickness to
deter theft (for my piece of crap bicycle, that is).  All cables suffer the
weakness that they can be cut a few strands at a time.  If you are patient
you can cut cables with fingernail clippers.  Aviation snips would go
through the cable in well under a minute.
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INTERNET: robinson@cogsci.berkeley.edu
From: pky@fmg.bt.co.uk (Pete Young)
Subject: Re: For JOHS@dhhalden.no (3) - Last
Organization: British Telecom
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
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Nick Pettefar (npet@bnr.ca) wrote:
: Tsk, tsk, tsk.  Another newbie bites the dust, eh?  They'll learn.
Newbie. Sorry to disappoint you, but as far as the Internet goes I was
in Baghdad while you were still in your dads bag.
Most of the people who made this group interesting 3 or 4 years ago
are no longer around and I only have time to make a random sweep
once a week or so. Hence I missed most of this thread.
Based on your previous postings, apparently devoid of humour, sarcasm,
wit, or the apparent capacity to walk and chew gum at the same time, I
assumed you were serious. Mea culpa.
Still, it's nice to see that BNR are doing so well that they can afford
to overpay some contractors to sit and read news all day.
--
____________________________________________________________________
Pete Young        	  pky@fmg.bt.co.uk        Phone +44 473 227151
"Most people prefer entertaining nonsense to unexciting reality"
From: laszlo@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu (Laszlo Nemeth)
Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this!
Nntp-Posting-Host: eclipse.cs.colorado.edu
Organization: University of Colorado Boulder, Pizza Disposal Group
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In article <1993Apr19.193331.11327@sarvax.cmhnet.org>, frog@sarvax.cmhnet.org (Jeff 'Frog' Campbell) writes:
|> From article <C5px3n.Kw0@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, by cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Dances With Federal Rangers):
|> >
|> > ObMotoWashing: Is it just me, or does everyone cut their finger(s) on the
|> > Evil Cotterpin (tm), lurking somewhere in the dark recesses of the back end
|> > of the bike, when giving the prized moto a bath?  I seem to slice the pinkie
|> > of one hand or the other *every* time (*both* of them this time!).
|>
|> It's you. Beemers have no EC (tm).
OH yes they do! but considering i never wash my BMW (unless i need
to work on it) i never get cuts untill the tools come out.....
altho the best scar (now faded) was from the exhaust piper,
while try to change the oil, after overheating the engine (watch
out for idiot drivers that won't let you pass in the mountains
when you have a rider, case of oil (it was on sale), and case of
beer), with a drain bolt that decided to seize.
just how does everyone else clean out the area under the transmission
on a BMW R bike? they only way i have found is to remove the
engine and transmission. that and the clutch arm are impossible to
clean (which is wear one of the EC (s&m) are located).
laz
Ps anyone know where i can get the heads polished and ported
cheap. also how much should that run.
From: fields@cis.ohio-state.edu (jonathan david fields)
Subject: Question????
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
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Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: frigate.cis.ohio-state.edu
This is probably a stupid question but as I am new to the motorcycle scene
I don't really know anything about it. What is DoD?
Thanks,
Jonathan D. Fields
fields@cis.ohio-state.edu
From: jjb@dtc.hp.com (Jim Brewer)
Subject: Re: uh, der, whassa deltabox?
Nntp-Posting-Host: moosehead.dtc.hp.com
Organization: HP Design Technology Center, Santa Clara, CA
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In article <C5KxAL.IzC@ccu.umanitoba.ca> klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger) writes:
>  I beleive it's called the "Dentabox" frame.
>
>Nothing some putty and paint won't fix.
This from someone riding a GSXR?  Gutsy.
From: rwert@well.sf.ca.us (Bob Wert)
Subject: Need advice for riding with someone on pillion
Summary: Advice wanted for when I take someone on the back of the moto.
Keywords: advice, pillion, help!
Nntp-Posting-Host: well.sf.ca.us
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I need some advice on having someone ride pillion with me on my 750 Ninja.
This will be the the first time I've taken anyone for an extended ride
(read: farther than around the block  :-).  We'll be riding some twisty,
fairly bumpy roads (the Mines Road-Mt.Hamilton Loop for you SF Bay Areans).
This person is <100 lbs. and fairly small, so I don't see weight as too much
of a problem, but what sort of of advice should I give her before we go?
I want her to hold onto me  :-)   rather than the grab rail out back, and
I've heard that she should look over my shoulder in the direction we're
turning so she leans *with* me, but what else?  Are there traditional
signals for SLOW DOWN!! or GO FASTER!! or I HAFTA GO PEE!! etc.???
I really want this to be a positive experience for us both, mainly so that
she'll want to go with me again, so any help will be appreciated...
Thanks,
-Bob-
--
Bob Wert        rmw@genie.gene.com        rwert@well.sf.ca.us
DoD#0302        AMA#510680      '90 Ninja 750R        '89 Mustang 5.0LX
...Seven turns on the highway, Seven rivers to cross,
Sometimes you feel like you can fly away, Sometimes you get lost...
From: nuet_ke@pts.mot.com (KEITH NUETZMAN X3153 P7625)
Subject: Yamaha vs Honda opinions
Nntp-Posting-Host: 145.4.54.110
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Organization: Paging and Wireless Data Group
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I am in hte market for a new bike (been without for a few years).
The two main bikes I'm looking at seriously are
The Yamaha Virago 535 and the Honda Shadow VLX 583.
I am leaning towards the Yamaha for its shaft drive, the Honda is Chain.
Insurance in Fla. is more costly than I thought, so I am staying in this
power range. Thanks in advance for any opinions and or experiences
From: mbeaving@bnr.ca (Michael Beavington)
Subject: Re: Your opinion and what it means to me.
Nntp-Posting-Host: bmerh824
Reply-To: MBEAVING@BNR.CA
Organization: BNR
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|>
|> So, Take you own advice and wuit you whining about
|> flames.
|>
No brains and he can't spell either.
.edu?? I hope you're not a student at Duke...
you would be wasting your tuition.
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= The Beav |Mike Beavington| Dod:9733             =
= V65Sabre     mbeaving@bnr.ca                    =
= My employer has no idea what I'm talking about! =
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From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda)
Subject: Re: Your opinion and what it means to me.
Nntp-Posting-Host: corolla18
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
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In article <13516@news.duke.edu> infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante) writes:
|Well, as a few of you so aptly put it,
|get off the road, jerk, we don't wanna hear your
|whining.
|
|Fine.
|
|Fuck off too.
|
|If you noticed, it was in 91, more than two years ago,
|and YES, I've learned, and it's cost me.
|
|And yes, I've known people (friends and relatives) who've
|been involved in drunk-related accidents (not them, they were hit)
|and my cousin is still recovering.
|
|No, I can't take back what happened.
|
|Yes, it was stupid.
|
|But, by reminding me about it all the time, you're
|neither helping me or yourself, so stuff your opinion.
Hey, man, you brought it up.  I agree completely, driving drunk is really
stupid, and I understand and appreciate that you feel bad about it.  But
DWI is endemic in our society.  It is a REAL problem.  And we, as
motorcyclists, can be in the worst of vulnerable positions around a drunk
driver.  (Alert readers might remember that last year I witnessed a DWI
accident (right bloody in front of me), and was unable to save the life
of one of the participants, as I reported here.)  Also, drunk driving by
motorcyclists is a prime cause of their injury and death, which raises the
insurance rates, forces stupidly restrictive laws, and turns the public
against those of us who ride responsibly.
In my view, drunk driving should carry a mandatory prison sentence.
It is one of the traffic offenses which is NOT a public funds issue,
but a genuine safety issue.  So if YOU bring up the subject on rec.moto,
admitting having been caught DWI, and looking for sympathy over the
consequences, don't expect people to respond with warm wishes.
Dave Svoboda (svoboda@void.rtsg.mot.com)    | "I'm getting tired of
90 Concours 1000 (Mmmmmmmmmm!)              |  beating you up, Dave.
84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Woops!)              |  You never learn."
AMA 583905  DoD #0330  COG 939  (Chicago)   |  -- Beth "Bruiser" Dixon
From: stefan@prague (Stefan Fielding-Isaacs)
Subject: Racelist: WHO WHAT WHERE
Distribution: rec
Organization: Gain Technology, Palo Alto, CA.
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Nntp-Posting-Host: prague.gain.com
Greetings fellow motorcycle roadracing enthusiasts!
BACKGROUND
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The racing listserver (boogie.EBay.sun.com) contains discussions
devoted to racing and racing-related topics. This is a pretty broad
interest group. Individuals have a variety of backgrounds: motojournalism,
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The size of the list grows weekly. We are currently at a little
over one hundred and eighty-five members, with contributors from
New Zealand, Australia, Germany, France, England, Canada
Finland, Switzerland, and the United States.
The list was formed (October 1991) in response to a perceived need
to both provide technical discussion of riding at the edge of
performance (roadracing) and to improve on the very low signal-to-noise
ratio found in rec.motorcycles. Anyone is free to join.
Discussion is necessarily limited by the rules of the list to
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From: groh@nu.cs.fsu.edu (Jim Groh)
Subject: Re: KREME
Organization: Florida State University Computer Science Department
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In article <1993Apr14.143716.18174@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> na4@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
>Hi folks!
>
>Recently saw one post about KREME being a *bad idea*, but that was only
>one man's opinion.
>
>Any one else have any experience with the stuff?
>
>
On my 59 sporty I had some pinhole leaks open up on the back seam.  I kreme
it about a year ago and have had no problems at all.  Be real careful as
the cleaning part of the solution is hell on paint.
-Jim
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Jim Groh     groh@sig.cs.fsu.edu  | DoD #0356  |   Hog# 0437643 |new  improved
1959 XLH 900  **  1982 FXR  **  1989 XLH 883  **  1990 XLH 1200 | smaller sig
From: klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger)
Subject: Re: Riceburner Respect
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In <1993Apr15.192558.3314@icomsim.com> mmanning@icomsim.com (Michael Manning) writes:
>In article <oXZ12B1w164w@cellar.org> craig@cellar.org (Saint Craig)
>writes:
>> shz@mare.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude) writes:
>>
>Most people wave or return my wave when I'm on my Harley.
>Other Harley riders seldom wave back to me when I'm on my
>duck. Squids don't wave, or return waves ever, even to each
>other, from what I can tell.
When we take a hand off the bars we fall down!
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Jorg Klinger            |       GSXR1100        | If you only new who
Arch. & Eng. Services   |"Lost Horizons"  CR500 | I think I am.
UManitoba, Man. Ca.     |"The Embalmer"   IT175 |           - anonymous
--Squidonk--
From: klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger)
Subject: Re: uh, der, whassa deltabox?
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In <ramarren-150493134758@kops.apple.com> ramarren@apple.com (Godfrey DiGiorgi) writes:
>>Can someone tell me what a deltabox frame is, and what relation that has,
>>if any, to the frame on my Hawk GT?  That way, next time some guy comes up
>>to me in some parking lot and sez "hey, dude, nice bike, is that a deltabox
>>frame on there?" I can say something besides "duh, er, huh?"
I beleive it's called the "Dentabox" frame.
Nothing some putty and paint won't fix.
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Jorg Klinger            |       GSXR1100        | If you only new who
Arch. & Eng. Services   |"Lost Horizons"  CR500 | I think I am.
UManitoba, Man. Ca.     |"The Embalmer"   IT175 |           - anonymous
--Squidonk--
From: vwelch@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Von Welch)
Subject: Re: MOTORCYCLE DETAILING TIP #18
Organization: Nat'l Ctr for Supercomp App (NCSA) @ University of Illinois
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In article <1993Apr15.164644.7348@hemlock.cray.com>, ant@palm21.cray.com (Tony Jones) writes:
|>
|> How about someone letting me know MOTORCYCLE DETAILING TIP #19 ?
|>
|> The far side of my instrument panel was scuffed when the previous owner
|> dumped the bike. Same is true for one of the turn signals.
|>
|> Both of the scuffed areas are black plastic.
|>
|> I recall reading somewhere, that there was some plastic compound you could coat
|> the scuffed areas with, then rub it down, ending with a nice smooth shiny
|> finish ?
|>
In the May '93 Motorcyclist (pg 15-16), someone writes in and recomends using
rubberized undercoating for this.
--
Von Welch (vwelch@ncsa.uiuc.edu)	NCSA Networking Development Group
'93 CBR600F2			'78 KZ650		'83 Subaru GL 4WD
- I speak only for myself and those who think exactly like me -
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post
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In article L2A@well.sf.ca.us, pstone@well.sf.ca.us (Philip K. Stone) writes:
>
>Hey Ed, how do you explain the fact that you pull on a horse's reins
>left to go left?  :-)  Or am I confusing two threads here?
Three, actually.  I believe I discussed countersteering a horse
before.
Basically, there are two ways to steer a horse, plow-rein and
neck-rein.  Plow-reining steers him by keeping the reins separate, and
you pull in the direction you wish to go.  Neck-reining steers a horse
by holding the reins together in one hand, and pulling against the
horse's neck in the direction you wish to go.  When training a
plow-steering horse to neck-rein, one technique is to cross the reins
under his necks.  Thus, when neck-reining to the left, the right rein
pulls against the right side of the neck, but the left side of the bit
(which the horse is used to from his plow-reining days).
Are you sorry you asked yet?
---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
(The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Subject: Re: Observation re: helmets
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In article 734919391@u.washington.edu, moseley@u.washington.edu (Steve L. Moseley) writes:
>
>So what should I carry if I want to comply with intelligent helmet laws?
Take up residence in a fantasy world.
---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
(The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
From: fist@iscp.bellcore.com (Richard Pierson)
Subject: Moving On
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Well, it's been fun. This is my last day at Bellcore and
It will be a while before I have net access again (taking
time off and scheduling Military Schools for the summer
on joint operations, and anything else that looks good).
I have had a blast reading, responding and commenting on
things posted here. My final say is 9mm's are inferior
to .45's errr oh wrong news group. Hopefully I'll be back.
I guess "internet withdrawl" starts around 1pm or so and
considering I never knew inet existed 2 years ago I am
really going to miss it.
OH yea, to the guy who called me this morning about the
"Military issue" boots, good luck, I think you will be
happy with the tankers boots.
--
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and TARGETS !!!
#1/XS1100LH	DoD #956   #2 Next raise
Richard Pierson E06584 vnet: [908] 699-6063
Internet: fist@iscp.bellcore.com,|| UUNET:uunet!bcr!fist
#include <std.disclaimer> My opinions are my own!!!
I Don't shop in malls, I BUY my jeans, jackets and ammo
in the same store.
From: jpolito@sysgem1.encore.com (Jonathan Polito)
Subject: Re: Aerostitch:  1- or 2-piece?
Organization: Encore Computer Corp.
Distribution: rec
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In article <1993Apr14.144015.18175@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> na4@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
Request for opinions:
Which is better - a one-piece Aerostitch or a two-piece Aerostitch?
We're looking for more than "Well, the 2-pc is more versatile, but the
1-pc is better protection,..."
Thanks in advance,
Nadine
What is best? Books have been written on that! But in regard to
AeroStich it really depends on your particular size, shape and needs.
If you upper and lower body are not proportional (according to aero
dimensions) then it probably is going to be better mixing and matching
the 2 piece suit. I have the 2 piece suit and I am very happy with it.
Having my life quota of scars from crashing off road, I am very
concerned with good protection and I believe that the difference in
protection between the 1 and 2 piece suits is almost negligible. I
think the optional hip pads and back protector make much more of a
difference. One thing that is nice about the 2 piece is if you go
somewhere and then want to walk around for a while (still with jacket)
you can just detach and stow the pants.
One thing to note is that Goldfine has problems getting a good fit for
many women (with standard suits). Supposedly for smaller women (and
petite men for that matter) the 1 piece will fit better.
Another recommendation is to pay for mods if you need them. I wish I
got 2-3 inches added to my pant legs. I find the Long suits are not
really that long (I can't imagine how short the standard suits must
be).
--
Jonathan E. Polito 		    Internet: jpolito@encore.com
Encore Computer Corp, 901 Kildaire Farm Rd, Cary, NC  27511  USA
919-481-3730/voice  				919-481-3868/FAX
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Subject: Re: GGRRRrrr!! Cages double-parking motorc
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In article 1@cs.cmu.edu, jfriedl+@RI.CMU.EDU (Jeffrey Friedl) writes:
>egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:
>|>
>|> An apartment complex where I used to live tried this, only they put the
>|> thing over the driver's window, "so they couldn't miss it."
>
>I can see the liability of putting stickers on the car while it was moving,
>or something, but it's the BDI that chooses to start and then drive the car
>in a known unsafe condition that would (seem to be) liable.
An effort was made to remove the sticker.  It came to pieces, leaving
most of it firmly attached to the window.  It was dark, and around
10:00 pm.  The sticker (before being mangled in an ineffective attempt
to be torn off) warned the car would be towed if not removed.  A
"reasonable person" would arguably have driven the car.  Had an
accident occured, I don't think my friend's attorney would have much
trouble fixing blame on the apartment mangement.
As a practical matter, even without a conviction, the cost and
inconvenience of defending against the suit would be considerable.
As a moral matter, it was a pretty fucking stupid thing to do for so
paltry a violation as parking without an authorization sticker (BTW, it
wasn't "somebody's" spot, it was resident-only, but unassigned,
parking).
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Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
(The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Subject: Re: Tracing license plates of BDI cagers?
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In article 150493174345@17.127.11.85, jamesf@apple.com (Jim Franklin) writes:
>
>I can file a complaint about this? And actually have the chance to have
>something done? How? Who? Where?
A traffic citation is an accusation of having committed a crime.
That's why they have to go through the motions of having a trial if you
want one, you are still innocent until proven guilty.  Cops are not the
only ones who can accuse people of committing crimes, anyone who
witnesses a crime can do so.
Go to the Highway Patrol and explain the situation, give them a
description of the car and the license number, and tell them the
specific violation of the law which you witnessed and wish to prosecute
(ie, search the Vehicle Code and have the section number handy).  Fill
out the ticket and sign it.  It will go through the same system any
ticket a cop writes goes through.  If contested, you will have to
appear in court to prosecute.  Your word will not carry the same weight
as a cop's.
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Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
(The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
From: michaelb@compnews.co.uk (Michael Burton)
Subject: Performance Bike Frenzy at Cadwell
Organization: Computer Newspaper Services, Howden, UK.
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Is anyone going to the P.B frenzy at Cadwell park in May.
I am going, but only to watch.
--
When asked what would I most want to try before doing it,
I said Death.
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Subject: Re: Live Free, but Quietly, or Die
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In article 5049@cvbnetPrime.COM, tjohnson@tazmanian.prime.com (Tod Johnson (617) 275-1800 x2317) writes:
>
>I was able to avoid an accident by revving my engine and having my
>*stock* Harley pipes make enough noise to draw someones attention.
>
>Sure there are horns but my hand is already on the throttle. Should we
>get into how many feet a bike going 55mph goes in .30 seconds; or
>how long it would take me to push my horn button??
If we do, I think you'd loose.  Sure, you're hand's already on the
throttle.  And your thumb is already near the horn button.  Pushing the
horn button is one simple move.  Revving the throttle requires either
engaging the clutch, or accelerating.  The first is a more complex
manuver than a simple horn button push, and the second ain't too bright
when there is a potential hazard ahead.  Besides, the unique sound of a
horn is more effective in attracting the attention of BDI cagers than
is the sound of an engine, which is what they expect to hear (you are
on the road!).
As is usually the case, a single anecdote hardly constitutes sound
safety procedure.
The answer is 161.33 feet.
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Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
(The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
From: Brian.Vaughan@um.cc.umich.edu (Brian Vaughan)
Subject: For Sale: Kawasaki EX500 (Michigan)
Organization: University of Michigan
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* FOR SALE *
From Ann Arbor, Michigan
1988 Kawasaki EX-500
6682 miles
Cherry Red
Excellent condition
Asking $2300
Contact Brian at (313) 747-1604 (days)
(313) 434-7284 (evenings & weekends)
or e-mail at vaughan@umich.edu...or reply to this post.
From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar)
Subject: Re: BDI Experience
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Sebastian C Sears, on the Tue, 13 Apr 1993 02:32:13 GMT wibbled:
:                  ... Came around a right hand sweeper (going around
: 	45 mph) only to find a cager going around 30 mph, calmly driving
:       along, with no other traffic around, in *my* lane. Not crossing
:       the line, not swerving, fully and totally within the south-bound
:       lane of 9W (one lane each direction).
And I haven't even got there yet.  Must have been some other Brit...
--
Nick (the English Biker)   DoD 1069   Concise Oxford   Left is Right
M'Lud.
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' `	` '   ' `   ` '		  Currently incarcerated at BNR,
___	___   ___   ___		  Maidenhead, The United Kingdom.
|"_"| |"_"| |"_"| |"_"|	  npet@bnr.ca  '86 BMW K100RS "Kay"
` '	' `   ` '   ' `		  Pres. PBWASOH(UK),  BS 0002
.
_ _		_  __ .
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|_______|    [_______|
_:_
|___|
From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar)
Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post
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Mike Sixsmith, on the 16 Apr 93 10:07:55 GMT wibbled:
[ very interesting (yawn) stuff deleted, because I'm like that... ]
: Formal training is in my view absolutely essential if you're going to
: be able to ride a bike properly and safely. But by including countersteering
: theory in newbie courses we are confusing people unnecessarily, right at
: the time when there are *far* more important matters for them to learn.
: And that was my original point.
: Mike
I am in complete concordance with you there, Mike.  I was a Silver StarRider
instructor, for a while.  I learn't about countersteering last year
and I have been riding bikes since 1976.  We were never told about
countersteering when being taught to instruct.  It doesn't seem to have
affected me or my friends or pupils.  We just rode in blissful ignorance.
--
Nick (the Biker)   DoD 1069   Concise Oxford
M'Lud.
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{"_"} {"_"} {"_"} {"_"}	  Nick Pettefar, Contractor@Large.
' `	` '   ' `   ` '		  Currently incarcerated at BNR,
___	___   ___   ___		  Maidenhead, The United Kingdom.
|"_"| |"_"| |"_"| |"_"|	  npet@bnr.ca  '86 BMW K100RS "Kay"
` '	' `   ` '   ' `		  Pres. PBWASOH(UK),  BS 0002
.
_ _		_  __ .
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|_______|    [_______|
_:_
|___|
From: rwalls@twg.com (Roger Walls)
Subject: Re: Boom! Dog attack!
Organization: The Wollongong Group, Palo Alto, CA
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In article <viking.734937529@ponderous.cc.iastate.edu> viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:
>ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau)  writes:
>
>mere 20mph or so, gravel road with few loose rocks on it (as in,
>just like bad concrete), and 2200lbs of swinging beef jumped a
>fence, came out of the ditch, and rammed me!  When I saw her jump
>the fence I went for the gas, since she was about 20 feet ahead
>of me but a good forty to the side.  Damn cow literally chased me
>down and nailed me.  No damage to cow, a bent case guard and a
>severely annoyed rider were the only casualties.  If I had my
>shotgun I'd still be eating steak.  Nope, if 2200lbs of cow
>can hit me when I'm actively evading, forget a much more
>manueverable dog.  Just run them over.
>
One day out riding, my friend and i were passing a field of goats and
noticed 2 out on the road. As we slowed to pass the ram made a dash at
my friend just missing him and then tangling it self up in the barb wire
fence. Being good samaritains and generally nice guys we turned around to
untrangle the goat from the barbed wire. As I pulled up next to him
(seeing him still tangled up), stopped the bike and got off the Goat had
vanished (into the field I guess).
Jolly Roger
From: jburnside@ll.mit.edu (jamie w burnside)
Subject: Re: GOT MY BIKE! (was Wanted: Advice on CB900C Purchase)
Keywords: CB900C, purchase, advice
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Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
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--
In article <1993Apr16.005131.29830@ncsu.edu>, jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu
(JACK ROGERS WATERS) writes:
|>>
|>>>Being a reletively new reader, I am quite impressed with all the usefull
|>>>info available on this newsgroup.  I would ask how to get my own DoD number,
|>>>but I'll probably be too busy riding ;-).
|>>
|>>	Does this count?
|>
|>Yes.  He thought about it.
|>>
|>>$ cat dod.faq | mailx -s "HAHAHHA" jburnside@ll.mit.edu (waiting to press
|>>							 return...)
Hey, c'mon guys (and gals), I chose my words very carefully and even
tried to get my FAQ's straight.  Don't holler BOHICA at me!
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|     |      |     /                   \                             |
|     |      |    /  Jamie W. Burnside  \     1980 CB900 Custom      |
|     | (o)(o)   (  jburnside@ll.mit.edu )    1985 KDX200 (SOLD!)    |
|     C      _) / \_____________________/     1978 CB400 (for sale)  |
|      | ,___| /                                                     |
|      |    /                                                        |
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From: fist@iscp.bellcore.com (Richard Pierson)
Subject: Anti Freeze
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Anti Freeze
I was wrong, still had the issue of "Street Rodder" in
my last pile. In the February 1991 issue on page 24 there
is an advirtisement for anti freeze.
AND IT MAKES A GREAT PARTY MIXER
The Neo Synthetic Oil Company has a reputation for
developing overkill priducts the protect and extend
the life of mechinical things, and here is there latest
development. Propylene Glycol, probably the finest radiator
coolant available. After 100,000 miles of testing, they find
it has a boiling point of 365 degrees (much higher than
conventional coolants)- which helps elminate detonation and
pinging, it allows the use of smaller radiators in race cars,
it will not damage aluminum blocks or heads, and it is
environmentally safe. Yep, this is the good stuff.
Baker Precision Products
Dept SRM
2865 Gundry Ave
Long Beach Ca 90806
[213] 427-2375
I neither endorse or unendorse the above product, I only
copied the advert blurb for others info, YMMV
--
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There are only two types of ships in the NAVY; SUBMARINES
and TARGETS !!!
#1/XS1100LH	DoD #956   #2 Next raise
Richard Pierson E06584 vnet: [908] 699-6063
Internet: fist@iscp.bellcore.com,|| UUNET:uunet!bcr!fist
#include <std.disclaimer> My opinions are my own!!!
I Don't shop in malls, I BUY my jeans, jackets and ammo
in the same store.
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post
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In article 734954875@zen.sys.uea.ac.uk, mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) writes:
>
>Secondly, it is the adhesion of the
>tyre on the road, the suspension geometry  and the ground clearance of the
> motorcycle which dictate how quickly you can swerve to avoid obstacles, and
>not the knowledge of physics between the rider's ears. Are you seriously
>suggesting that countersteering knowledge enables you to corner faster
>or more competentlY than you could manage otherwise??
If he's not, I will.  Put two riders on identical machines.  It's the
one who knows what he's doing, and why, that will be faster.  It *may*
be possible to improve your technique if you have no idea what it is,
through trial and error, but it is not very effective methodology.
Only by understanding the technique of steering a motorcycle can one
improve on that technique (I hold that this applies to any human
endeavor).
>that's all it is - an interesting bit of knowledge, and to claim that
>it is essential for all bikers to know it, or that you can corner faster
>or better as a result, is absurd.
Do you consider an understanding of the physics of traction absurd?
Are you seriously suggesting that one can form a traction management
policy without understanding what it is or what factors increase or
decrease available traction?  Braking?
It is highly unlikely that any biker is going to develop his maximum
swerving ability without any knowledge of turning techniques.  For most
of his riding life this may not be a problem, but in an emergency
situation it is very definately placing him at a disadvantage.
>But by including countersteering
>theory in newbie courses we are confusing people unnecessarily, right at
>the time when there are *far* more important matters for them to learn.
I disagree.  The existance and immense success of riding courses which
teach the technique indicate that the concept can be taught in a manner
that is neither confusing, nor detracts from any other aspects of the
course.
>And that was my original point.
Perhaps, but in the ensuing discussion, you strayed far from that
point, to claim that knowledge of steering technique is irrelevant to a
rider's ability.  I find this assertion ludicrous.
---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
(The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
From: nak@cbnews.cb.att.com (neil.a.kirby)
Subject: Re: BMW battery
Organization: AT&T
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: In article <1993Apr14.181352.6246@ra.msstate.edu> vech@Ra.MsState.Edu (Craig A. Vechorik) writes:
: >If I remember correctly, the reason that BMW's come with those expensive,
: >and relatively worthless, short lived Varda batteries, is 'cause BMW owns
: >a controling interest in that battery Manufacturer.
: What's wrong with the BMW battery? I've never had problems and I know
: numerous people that are still using the original battery in there
: 8-10 year old beemers.
THe original battery in an 8-10 year old BMW may be fine.  Mine lasted many
years.  The replacement 30AH battery from BMW was a disaster.  The mechanic
from Comp. Acc. told me that CA would warantee replace the bad one with a
new one of the same evil bad batteries and tell the customer if they have
problems to bring it back and they'd do it again.  It seems that many of
those 30AH batteries were DOA, near-DOA, and always unlikely to be going
strong by the end of the warantee period on them.  THere was a big batch of
bad ones, and they replaced them with -you guessed it - more bad ones.  BMW
switched to a 25AH battery that has more cold cranking amps, even if it has
less total juice.
I switched to a YUASA that has even more cold cranking amps and cost one
third fewer dollars.
Neil Kirby      DoD #0783       nak@archie.cbusa.att.com
AT&T Bell Labs  Columbus OH     USA (614) 860-5304
If you think I speak for AT&T you might have more lawyers than sense.
From: Russell.P.Hughes@dartmouth.edu (RPH)
Subject: Power Arc II Ignition, Super E Carb
X-Posted-From: InterNews 1.0b14@dartmouth.edu
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Now the bike is off warranty, I finally replaced the stock items on my
Softail Custom with the title ones. Installation was pretty easy in
both cases, even for a fairly non-mechanical chemist type dude like me!
I discovered the limitations of my tool collection, but had fun buying
and making the requisite tools!
MC Ignitions Power Arc II Single Fire Ignition: easy to install, but
read the wiring diagram carefully!  Setting the static timing was a
piece of cake.  Once installed, I have found easier starting, smoother
idle, and more power, plus a more satisfying (to me) bass note in the
exhaust register...a lovely whompa-whompa-whompa idle  :-)
The folks at MC Ignitions were great in answering my dumb questions on
the phone..... a very helpful bunch of guys with a great product.
S&S Super E Carb: installation easy, once I hacked down an Allen wrench
to a small anough reach to get at the intake manifold bolts. Tunes like
a dream, just like they say!  The stock carb (non-adjustable) was so
lean that it was gasping and spluttering for gas sometimes, and even
backfiring into the intake manifold. The Super E is terrific, no
hesitation in any gear, and my plugs are a lovely tan color with no
need to rejet from the factory settings!
I know this may not seem like much to you grizzled veteran wrenchers
out there, but I had my bike in so many pieces this weekend I began to
get worried. But it all went back together again, and runs like a
dream, so I am feeling pretty happy.
Now all I have to do is install my BUB pipes and try to pass the NH
Noise Gestapo Test!
Russ Hughes  '92 FXSTC  DoD# 6022(10E20)
"Love ...yeah, that's the feeling you get when you like something
as much as your motorcycle."
--Sonny Barger
From: vech@Ra.MsState.Edu (Craig A. Vechorik)
Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this!
Nntp-Posting-Host: ra.msstate.edu
Organization: Mississippi State University
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In regards ot some of the posts concerning bias in articles of k bikes
versis /2's or boxers of a later date or whatever.. Jeezzz, Lighten up!
I wrote the slash two blues for a bit of humor which seems to be lacking
in the MOA Owners News, when most of the stuff is "I rode the the first
day, I saw that, I rode there the second day, I saw this"
any body out there know were the sense if humor went in people?
I though I still had mine, but I dunno...
Regards
Craig Vechorik
BMW MOA Ambassador #9462
DOD #843
And hey, I just want ya'll to vote.. O.K.? for SOMEBODY instead of throwing
it in the trash...
From: mcguire@cs.utexas.edu (Tommy Marcus McGuire)
Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
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In article <1qmetg$g2n@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
[...]
>horse's neck in the direction you wish to go.  When training a
>plow-steering horse to neck-rein, one technique is to cross the reins
>under his necks.  Thus, when neck-reining to the left, the right rein
^^^^^
[...]
>Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
[...]
Given my desire to stay as far away as possible from farming and ranching
equipment, I really hate to jump into this thread.  I'm going to anyway,
but I really hate it.
Ed, exactly what kind of mutant horse-like entity do you ride, anyway?
Does countersteering work on the normal, garden-variety, one-necked horse?
Obmoto:  I was flipping through the March (I think) issue of Rider, and I
saw a small pseudo-ad for a book on hand signals appropriate to motorcycling.
It mentioned something about a signal for "Your passenger is on fire."  Any
body know the title and author of this book, and where I could get a copy?
This should not be understood as implying that I have grown sociable enough
to ride with anyone, but the book sounded cute.
-----
Tommy McGuire
mcguire@cs.utexas.edu
mcguire@austin.ibm.com
"...I will append an appropriate disclaimer to outgoing public information,
identifying it as personal and as independent of IBM...."
From: nrmendel@unix.amherst.edu (Nathaniel Mendell)
Subject: Re: Recommendation for a front tire.
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
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Hey folks--
I've got a pair of Dunlop sportmax radials of my ZX-10, and they've been
very sticky (ie no slides yet), but all this talk about the Metzelers has
me wondering if my next set should be a Lazer comp K and a radial Metzeler
rear...for hard sport-touring, how do the choices stack up?
Nathaniel
ZX-10
DoD 0812
AMA
From: ak954@yfn.ysu.edu (Albion H. Bowers)
Subject: Re: Ducati 400 opinions wanted
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
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NNTP-Posting-Host: yfn.ysu.edu
In a previous article, bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner) says:
>In article <1qhm02$mbs@news.ysu.edu> ak954@yfn.ysu.edu (Albion H. Bowers) writes:
>>In a previous article, markb@wc.novell.com (M. Burnham) says:
>>>Ducati 400's are REALLY slow.  They don't sell them over here in US,
>>>but considering that the 750SS is not too powerful, the 400 is gonna'
>>>be a dog.
>>Oh yeah, 12.10 at 108 mph in the quarter is such a slug.  Come on, when was
>>the last time you used your 750s max power peak?  I think maybe you should
>>ride one first, before passing judgement, there is a lot more than just
>>maximum acceleration.
>I guess I'm out of touch, but what exactly is the Ducati 400? A v-twin
>desmo, or is it that half-a-v-twin with the balance weight where the 2nd
>cylinder would go? A 12 second 1/4 for a 400 isn't bad at all.
Sorry, I should have been more specific.  The 750 SS ran the quater in
12.10 @ 108.17.  The last small V-twin Duc we got in the US (and the 400 is
a Pantah based V-twin) was the 500SL Pantah, and it ran a creditable 13.0 @
103.  Modern carbs and what not should put the 400 in the high 12s at 105.
BTW, FZR 400s ran mid 12s, and the latest crop of Japanese 400s will out
run that.  It's hard to remember, but but a new GOOF2 will clobber an old
KZ1000 handily, both in top end and roll-on.  Technology stands still for
no-one...
--
Al Bowers  DOD #900  Alfa  Ducati  Hobie  Kottke  'blad  Iaido  NASA
"Well goodness sakes...don't you know that girls can't play guitar?"
-Mary Chapin-Carpenter
From: mcguire@cs.utexas.edu (Tommy Marcus McGuire)
Subject: Re: Live Free, but Quietly, or Die
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
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In article <1qmi34$g2n@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
>In article 5049@cvbnetPrime.COM, tjohnson@tazmanian.prime.com (Tod Johnson (617) 275-1800 x2317) writes:
[...]
>>Sure there are horns but my hand is already on the throttle. Should we
>>get into how many feet a bike going 55mph goes in .30 seconds; or
>>how long it would take me to push my horn button??
>
[...]
>
>The answer is 161.33 feet.
>
>---
>Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
[...]
Try something like 24.2 feet.
EdGetACalculator
-----
Tommy McGuire
mcguire@cs.utexas.edu
mcguire@austin.ibm.com
"...I will append an appropriate disclaimer to outgoing public information,
identifying it as personal and as independent of IBM...."
From: craig@cellar.org (Saint Craig)
Subject: Re: Changing sprocket ratios (79 Honda CB750)
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system
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cbrooks@ms.uky.edu (Clayton Brooks) writes:
> Do any Honda gurus know if I can replace the
> the front sprocket on my 1979 Honda CB750K with a slightly larger one?
> (I see this as being preferable to reducing the size of the rear one)
>
> Just wanting ride at a more relaxed RPM.
It can be done, contact Chaparell cycle supply, they ought to have
the sprocket you need/want for cheap, well much cheaper than your average
dealership. Hey they even had sprockets for my VF1000R which is hard to find
accesssories for.
-Craig.
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From: csundh30@ursa.calvin.edu (Charles Sundheim)
Subject: Re: Boom! Dog attack!
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ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau)  writes:
>blind driveway at 15-30 mph. For that matter, how many driveways are
>long enough for a car to hit 30 mph by the end?
>I eagerly await comment.
Well, my driveway is... Just keep an eye out for the blue GLH Turbo that
utilizes the "hit-the-ground-running" merging technique.
At least I don't have a dog that you need worry about.
Last week while entering a sand/gravel covered intersection in the country,
I caught something unkosher out of the corner of my eye (you know that
disgusting sensation when great, as-of-yet unidentified, evil is about to
intimately acquaint itself with you-- kind of like knowing that that darkening
shadow around you just cannot possibly be anything even remotely good, because
it probably has something to do with a Boeing 747 behaving, gravitationally
speaking, much like a brick).  Negotiating my way into this intersection that
somehow reminded me of Daytona beach (sans H2O, sun, & babes) I manage to get a
glance at my impending destiny.  Lucifer's own DOG.  Hell's secret blend
of canine-- Doberman and Rottweiler (it moved with the grace of a Doberman,
yet had the hulk and jowels of the Rottweiler-- a creature with a definite
*wrong* end to be at).  The picture in my mirrors was fuzzy, but there was no
mistaking the fangs and saliva trail.
To shorten a verbose tale, my burly gaurdian-angels once again performed above
and beyond the call of duty, carried the bike through the sand-trap (I honestlyhave no idea how), and left the minion of Beelzebub with a face that
suspiciously resembles a Metzler tread.  No blood, though-- Rats.
Moral: I'm not really sure, but more and more I believe that bikers ought
to be allowed to carry handguns.
-Erc.
_______________________________________________________________________________
C Eric Sundheim
GrandRapids, MI, USA
`90 Hondo VFR750f
DoD# 1138
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From: DEHP@calvin.edu (Phil de Haan)
Subject: Re: European M/C Insurance
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Organization: Calvin College
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>--
>H. Marc Lewis               | "There are two kinds of people in the world --
>Olivetti North America      | those who divide everything in the world into
>marcl@mail.spk.olivetti.com | two kinds of things and those who don't"
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I thought it was:  "There are two kinds of people in the world.  Those who
think there are two kinds of people and those who don't."
And then there's:  "There are three kinds of people in the world.  Those who
like math and those who don't."
Obmoto:  Michigan weather forecast for Saturday:  high in the low 40s,
chance of snow flurries, showers possible.  Enjoy the weather where you
are.  Have a ride on me.
Phil de Haan (DoD #0578) Why yes.  That is my 1974 Honda CL360.
=============================================================================
"That's the nature of being an executive in America.  You have to rely on
other people to do something you used to do yourself." -- Donald Fehr,
executive director, Major League Baseball Players Association.
=============================================================================
From: doc@webrider.central.sun.com (Steve Bunis - Chicago)
Subject: Route Suggestions?
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
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As I won't be able to make the Joust this summer (Job related time
conflict :'^{   ), I plan instead on going to the Rider Rally in
Knoxville.
I'll be leaving from Chicago. and generally plan on going down along
the Indiana/Illinois border into Kentucky and then Tennessee.  I would
be very interested in hearing suggestions of roads/routes/areas that
you would consider "must ride" while on the way to Knoxville.
I can leave as early as 5/22 and need to arrive in Knoxville by 6PM
on 5/25.  That leaves me a pretty good stretch of time to explore on
the way.
By the way if anyone else is going, and would like to partner for the
ride down, let me know.  I'll be heading east afterward to visit family,
but sure don't mind company on the ride down to the Rally.  Depending on
weather et al. my plan is motelling/tenting thru the trip.
From the Rally I'll be heading up the Blue Ridge Parkway, then jogging
into West Va (I-77) to run up 219 -> Marlington, 28 -> Petersburg,
55E -> I-81/I-66E.  After this point the route is presently undetermined
into Pennsylvania, New York?, and back to Chicago (by 6/6).  Suggestions
for these areas would be of great interest also.
Many thanks for your ideas,
Enjoy,
---
Steve Bunis,  Sun Microsystems     ***DoD #0795***	93-ST1100
Itasca, IL	  ***AMA #682049***	78-KZ650
(ARE YOU SURE THIS IS APRIL??????  B^|  )
From: lotto@laura.harvard.edu (Jerry Lotto)
Subject: Re: where to put your helmet
Organization: Chemistry Dept., Harvard University
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In-reply-to: ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org's message of 19 Apr 93 18:25:00 GMT
>>>>> On 19 Apr 93 18:25:00 GMT, ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau)  said:
CB>        DON'T BE SO STUPID AS TO LEAVE YOUR HELMET ON THE SEAT WHERE IT CAN
CB>        FALL DOWN AND GO BOOM!
Ryan> Another good place for your helmet is your mirror (!). I kid you not.
This is very bad advice.  Helmets have two major impact absorbing
layers... a hard outer shell and a closed-cell foam impact layer.
Most helmets lose their protective properties because the inner liner
compacts over time, long before the outer shell is damaged or
delaminates from age.  Dr. Hurt tested helmets for many years
following his landmark study and has estimated that a helmet can lose
up to 80% of it's effectiveness from inner liner compression.  I have
a video he produced that discusses this phenomenon in detail.
Puncture compression of the type caused by mirrors, sissy bars, and
other relatively sharp objects is the worst offender.  Even when the
comfort liner is unaffected, dents and holes in the foam can seriously
degrade the effectiveness of a helmet.  If you are in the habit of
"parking your lid" on the mirrors, I suggest you look under the
comfort liner at the condition of the foam.  If it is significantly
damaged (or missing :-), replace the helmet.
--
Jerry Lotto <lotto@lhasa.harvard.edu>         MSFCI, HOGSSC, BCSO, AMA, DoD #18
Chemistry Dept., Harvard Univ.  "It's my Harley, and I'll ride if I want to..."
From: dagibbs@quantum.qnx.com (David Gibbs)
Subject: Re: Wanted: Advice for New Cylist
Organization: QNX Software Systems, Ltd.
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In article <C5r7Ey.7Mq@srgenprp.sr.hp.com> blaisec@sr.hp.com (Blaise Cirelli) writes:
>
>So the question I have is "HOW DANGEROUS IS RIDING"?
Tough question -- more dangerous than driving a car, and far more
dangerous if you don't apply a modicum of intelligence to the
activity.  Basically, stupidity will get you hurt/killed a lot
faster on a motorcycle than in a car.  But with care, it is
not unreasonably dangerous.  Also, buying good protective
clothing is helpful, that way if something does go wrong,
you are likely to be less severely injured.
First thing, if possible take a (MSF) driver training course,
this will get you started on the right foot -- they teach
control of the vehicle and safe riding practices.
Second, buy protective gear.  At minimum a good helmet
and a pair of leather gloves are a must.  A good sturdy
piece of footgear is also very helpful, though leather hiking
boots, a pair of old army boots, or something similar works fine
for this purpose as long as you make sure the laces stay
tied.  After those, a leather jacket and leather pants or chaps
are nice as well; but these are also expensive items.  For the
pants, many people consider a good pair of jeans to be reasonable,
preferably recent and of a fairly heavy weight.  Similarly for
a jacket, a good jean jacket is a reasonable compromise, though
more people tend to have leather jackets around than pants.  Another
thing to do is drop in on garage sales looking for a second-hand
leather jacket.  Look for a fairly thick leather in these items.
Third don't do anything stupid -- don't ride after
drinking, even one drink can noticeably affect you judgement
and balance; don't ride in the snow, or when conditions
are such that black ice is likely; be very careful riding
in the rain -- slow way down, take corners gingerly,
brake early and gently;  try not to ride if you are sick,
tired, taking any medication with drowsiness warnings, or
otherwise not in average shape.
With care, you should be ok.
>The next question I have is what bike would you recommend for
>a first time rider. I don't want to race; nor do I want to
>ride cross country; nor do I want to ride on dirt trails. I'll
>probably drive it on back roads with occasional rides on city
>streets and freeways. The maximum I can spend is about $2500 so
>I'll be looking at a used bike.
I would suggest mid to late 80's japanese mid-sized standard.
Something in 400-650 cc range would probably be reasonable.  If
you are shorter/lighter than average, you might want to go as
low as a 300-400 cc bike.
Possible models:
The Suzuki GS### series (eg. GS500, GS650, etc.).  These are generally
inline 4 bikes, generally dependable except for a tendency to
weakness in the charging system.  (Stator and/or Regulator/Rectifier
problems.)  My first bike was a (about '82) GS650, it server me well.
The Honda Nighthawk series (this may also be known as the CB### series
I think).  eg. Honda CB450, CB650, etc.  This is another series of
standard motorcycles.  Also fairly dependable.
Kawasaki and Yamaha probably have similar bikes, but I don't know
them as well.
For mid to late '80s models of the above, you should be able to
buy the bike for under $2000, leaving you money for protective
clothing and insurance and licensing costs.
Hope this helps,
-David
(dagibbs@qnx.com)
From: raible@nas.nasa.gov (Eric Raible)
Subject: Re: Need advice for riding with someone on pillion
In-Reply-To: rwert@well.sf.ca.us's message of 21 Apr 93 01:07:56 GMT
Organization: Applied Research Office, NASA Ames Research Center
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In article <C5t759.DsC@well.sf.ca.us> rwert@well.sf.ca.us (Bob Wert) writes:
I need some advice on having someone ride pillion with me on my 750 Ninja.
This will be the the first time I've taken anyone for an extended ride
(read: farther than around the block  :-).  We'll be riding some twisty,
fairly bumpy roads (the Mines Road-Mt.Hamilton Loop for you SF Bay Areans).
I'd say this is a very bad idea - you should start out with something
much mellower so that neither one of you get in over your head.
That particular road requires full concentration - not the sort of
thing you want to take a passenger on for the first time.
Once you both decide that you like riding together, and want to do
something longer and more challenging, *then* go for a hard core road
like Mines-Mt. Hamilton.
In any case, it's *your* (moral) responsibility to make sure that she
has proper gear that fits - especially if you're going sport
riding.
- Eric
From: sanjay@kin.lap.upenn.edu (Sanjay Sinha)
Subject: Re: New to Motorcycles...
Organization: University of Pennsylvania, Language Analysis Center
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In article <13612@news.duke.edu> infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante) writes:
:>Curtis JAckson pens...
:>
:>"MSF course...$140"
:
:Shyah!
:
:The one here only costs $35!
:
:(Izzat a deal or what?! :)
They are free in Philadelphia....   :-)
--
'81 CB650 						DoD #1224
I would give my right arm to be ambidextrous!
From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: What is a squid? (was Re: Riceburner Respect)
Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc.
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In article <1993Apr20.195116.123380@locus.com> dana@lando.la.locus.com (Dana H. Myers) writes:
>In article <C5qqxp.IE1@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com> hartzler@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (Jerry Hartzler - CATS) writes:
>>In article <1993Apr15.192558.3314@icomsim.com> mmanning@icomsim.com (Michael Manning) writes:
>>
>>>duck. Squids don't wave, or return waves ever, even to each
>>       ^^^^^^
>>    excuse me for being an ignoramus, but what are these.
>
>
>Squids are everybody but me and you.  Chris Behanna is especially a squid.
Hey, Dana!  Long time, no read.  I'm afraid the squid rating has
gone up slightly since getting the Ninja, but I'm trying very hard to restrain
myself--the bodywork is just too damned expensive (knock, knock).
At least it's quiet...
Later,
--
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC	  1991 ZX-11 - needs a name
agree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.
From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda)
Subject: Re: Ok, So I was a little hasty...
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In article <speedy.155@engr.latech.edu> speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer) writes:
|
|This was changed here in Louisiana when a girl went to court and won her
|case by claiming to be stoned on pot, NOT intoxicated on liquor!
Geez, what happened?  She got a ticket for driving too slow???
| ----===== DoD #8177 = Technician(Dr. Speed) .NOT. Student =====----
Oh, are you saying you're not an edu.breath, then?  Okay.
Dave Svoboda (svoboda@void.rtsg.mot.com)    | "I'm getting tired of
90 Concours 1000 (Mmmmmmmmmm!)              |  beating you up, Dave.
84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Woops!)              |  You never learn."
AMA 583905  DoD #0330  COG 939  (Chicago)   |  -- Beth "Bruiser" Dixon
From: frank@marvin.contex.com (Frank Perdicaro)
Subject: ST1100 ride
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Lines: 95
Sixteen days I had put off test driving the Honda ST1100.  Finally,
the 17th was a Saturday without much rain.  In fact it cleared up,
became warm and sunny, and the wind died.  About three weeks ago, I
took a long cool ride on the Hawk down to Cycles! 128 for a test ride.
They had sold, and delivered, the demo ST1100 about fifteen hours
before I arrived.  And the demo VFR was bike-locked in the showroom --
surrounded by 150 other bikes, and not likely to move soon.
Today was different.  There were even more bikes.  50 used dirt bikes,
50 used street bikes, 35 cars, and a big tent full of Outlandishly Fat
Touring Bikes With Trailers were all squeezed in the parking lot.
Some sort of fat bike convention.  Shelly and Dave were running one
MSF course each, at the same time.  One in the classroom and one on
the back lot.  Plus, there was the usuall free cookout food that
Cycles! gives away every weekend in the summer.  Hmmm, it seemed like
a big moto party.
After about ten minutes of looking for Rob C, cheif of sales slime,
and another 5 minutes reading and signing a long disclosure/libility/
pray-to-god form I helped JT push the ST out into the mess in the
parking lot.  We went over the the controls, I put the tank bag from
the Hawk into the right saddlebag, and my wife put everything else
into the left saddlebag.  ( Thats nice.... )  Having helped push the
ST out to the lot, I thought it best to have JT move it to the edge of
the road, away from the 100+ bikes and 100+ people.  He rode it like a
bicycle!  'It cant be that heavy' I thought.
Well I was wrong.  As I sat on the ST, both feet down, all I could
think was "big".  Then I put one foot up.  "Heavy" came to mind very
quickly.  With Cindy on the back -- was she on the back?  Hard to
tell with seat three times as large as a Hawk seat -- the bike seemed
nearly out of control just idling on the side of the road.
By 3000 rpm in second gear, all the weight seemed to dissappear.  Even
on bike with 4.1 miles on the odometer, slippery new tires, and pads that
did not yet bite the disks, things seems smooth and sure.  Cycles! is
on a section of 128 that few folks ever ride.  About 30 miles north
of the computer concentration, about five miles north of where I95
splits away, 128 is a lighly travelled, two lane limited access
highway.  It goes through heavily forested sections of Hamilton,
Manchester-by-the-Sea and Newbury on its way to Gloucester.
On its way there, it meets 133, a road that winds from the sea about
30 miles inland to Andover.  On its way it goes through many
thoroughly New England spots.  Perfect, if slow, sport touring sections.
Cindy has no difficulty with speed.  3rd gear, 4th gear, purring along
in top gear.  This thing has less low rpm grunt that my Hawk.  Lane
changes were a new experience.  A big heft is required to move this
thing.  Responds well though.   No wallowing or complaint.  Behind the
fairing it was fairly quiet, but the helmet buffeting was
non-trivial.  Top gear car passing at 85mph was nearly effortless.
Smooth, smooth, smooth.   Not sure what the v4 sound reminds me of,
but it is pleasant.  If only the bars were not transmitting an endless
buzz.
The jump on to 133 caused me to be less than impressed with the
brakes.  Its a down hill, reversing camber, twice-reversing radius,
decreasing radius turn.  A real squeeze is needed on the front binder.
The section of 133 we were on was tight, but too urban.  The ST works ok
in this section, but it shows its weight.  We went by the clam shack
oft featured in "Spencer for Hire" -- a place where you could really
find "Spencer", his house was about 15 miles down 133.  After putting
through traffic for a while, we turned and went back to 128.
About half way through the onramp, I yanked Cindy's wrist, our singal
for "hold on tight".  Head check left,  time to find redline.  Second
gear gives a good shove.  Third too.  Fourth sees DoD speed with a
short shift into top.  On the way to 133 we saw no cops and very light
traffic.  Did not cross into DoD zone because the bike was too new.
Well, now it had 25 miles on it, so it was ok.  Tried some high effort
lane changes, some wide sweeping turns.  Time to wick it up?  I went
until the buffeting was threating to pull us off the seat.  And stayed
there.  When I was comfortable with the wind and the steering,
I looked down to find an indicated 135mph.  Not bad for 2-up touring.
Beverly comes fast at more than twice the posted limit.  At the "get
off in a mile" sign, I rolled off the throttle and coasted.  I wanted
to re-adjust to the coming slowness.  It was a good idea:  there were
several manhole-sized patches of sand on the exit ramp.  Back to the
slow and heavy behavior.  Cycles! is about a mile from 128.  I could
see even more cars stacked up outside right when I got off.  I managed
to thread the ST through the cars to the edge of the concrete pad
out front.  Heavy.  It took way too much effort for Cindy and I to put
the thing on the center stand.  I am sure that if I used the side
stand the ST would have been on its side within a minute.
My demo opinion?  Heavy.  Put it on a diet.  Smooth, comfortable,
hardly notices the DoD speed.   I'd buy on for about $3000 less than
list, just like it is.  Too much $ for the bike as it is.
--
Frank Evan Perdicaro 				Xyvision Color Systems
Legalize guns, drugs and cash...today.		101 Edgewater Drive
inhouse: frank@marvin, x5572				Wakefield MA
outhouse: frank@contex.com, 617-245-4100x5572		018801285
From: sanjay@kin.lap.upenn.edu (Sanjay Sinha)
Subject: Battery Charger
Keywords: battery charger
Organization: University of Pennsylvania, Language Analysis Center
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I just noticed that my halogen table lamp runs off 12 Volts.
The big thinngy that plugs into the wall says 12 Volts DC,  20mA
The question is: Can I trickle charge the battery on my CB650
with it?
I don't know the rating of the battery, but it is a factory
intalled one.
Thanks,
Sanjay
--
'81 CB650 						DoD #1224
I would give my right arm to be ambidextrous!
From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: Question????
Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc.
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In article <1r25ldINN9rp@frigate.cis.ohio-state.edu> fields@cis.ohio-state.edu (jonathan david fields) writes:
>This is probably a stupid question but as I am new to the motorcycle scene
>I don't really know anything about it. What is DoD?
This has to be a setup.  Lookit--same site as Arnie Skurow.
Later,
--
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC	  1991 ZX-11 - needs a name
agree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.
From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: Need advice for riding with someone on pillion
Keywords: advice, pillion, help!
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In article <C5t759.DsC@well.sf.ca.us> rwert@well.sf.ca.us (Bob Wert) writes:
>I need some advice on having someone ride pillion with me on my 750 Ninja.
>This will be the the first time I've taken anyone for an extended ride
>(read: farther than around the block  :-).  We'll be riding some twisty,
>fairly bumpy roads (the Mines Road-Mt.Hamilton Loop for you SF Bay Areans).
You sonuvabitch.  Rub it in, why don't you?  "We have great weather
and great roads here, unlike the rest of you putzes in the U.S.  Nyah, nyah,
nyah."
:-) for the severely humor-impaired.
>This person is <100 lbs. and fairly small, so I don't see weight as too much
>of a problem, but what sort of of advice should I give her before we go?
>I want her to hold onto me  :-)   rather than the grab rail out back, and
>I've heard that she should look over my shoulder in the direction we're
>turning so she leans *with* me, but what else?  Are there traditional
>signals for SLOW DOWN!! or GO FASTER!! or I HAFTA GO PEE!! etc.???
You'll likely not notice her weight too much.  A piece of advice
for you:  don't be abrupt with the throttle.  No wheelies, accelerate a
wee bit more slowly than usual.  Consciously worry about spitting her off
the back.  It's as much your job to keep her on the pillion as it is hers,
and I guarantee she'll be put off by the bike ripping out from under her
when you whack it open.  Keep the lean angles pretty tame the first time
out too.  You and her need to learn each other's body English.  She needs
to learn what your idea is about how to take the turn, and you need to
learn her idea of "shit!  Don't crash now!" so you don't work at cross
purposes while leaned over.  You can work up to more aggressive riding over
time.
A very important thing:  tell her to put her hand against the tank
when you brake--this could save you some severely crushed cookies.
Have fun,
--
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC	  1991 ZX-11 - needs a name
agree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.
From: bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner)
Subject: Re: FJ1100/1200 Owners: Tankbag Suggestions Wanted
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In article <1993Apr20.195116.10738@ncsu.edu> martenm@chess.ncsu.edu (Mark Marten) writes:
>
>I am looking for a new tank bag now, and I wondered if you, as follow
>FJ1100/1200 owners, could make some suggestions as to what has, and has
>not worked for you. If there is already a file on this I apologize for
>asking and will gladly accept any flames that are blown my way!
With the FJ's large, flat gas tank, I'd imagine that almost anything
would work. Personally, I'm quite happy with my Eclipse standard tank
bag.
--
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland
bgardner@dsd.es.com
From: nrmendel@unix.amherst.edu (Nathaniel Mendell)
Subject: Re: OPINIONS WANTED -- HELP
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What size dirtbikes did you ride? and for how long? You might be able to
slip into a 500cc bike. Like I keep telling people, though, buy an older,
cheaper bike and ride that for a while first...you might like a 500 Interceptor
as an example
Nathaniel
ZX-10
DoD 0812
AMA
From: nrmendel@unix.amherst.edu (Nathaniel Mendell)
Subject: Re: Maxima Chain wax
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Tom Dietrich (txd@ESD.3Com.COM) wrote:
: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes:
:
: >I bought it, I tried it:
:
: >It is, truly, the miracle spooge.
:
: >My chain is lubed, my wheel is clean, after 1000km.
:
: Good, glad to hear it, I'm still studying it.
:
: >I think life is now complete...The shaft drive weenies now
: >have no comeback when I discuss shaft effect.
:
: Sure I do, even though I don't consider myself a weenie...
---------------- rip! pithy "I'm afraid to work on my bike" stuff deleted ---
: There is also damn little if any shaft effect
: with a Concours. So there! :{P PPPpppphhhhhttttttt!!!
:
Heh, heh...that's pretty funny. So what do you call it instead of shaft
effect?
Nathaniel
ZX-10  <--- damn little if any shaft effect
DoD 0812
AMA
p.s. okay, so it's flame bait, so what
Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies
From: lotto@laura.harvard.edu (Jerry Lotto)
Distribution: rec
Organization: Chemistry Dept., Harvard University
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In-reply-to: xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu's message of 19 Apr 93 21:48:42 GMT
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>>>>> On 19 Apr 93 21:48:42 GMT, xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu said:
Mike> Is it possible to do a "wheelie" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive?
Sure.  In fact, you can do a wheelie on a shaft-drive motorcycle
without even moving.  Just don't try countersteering.
:-)
--
Jerry Lotto <lotto@lhasa.harvard.edu>         MSFCI, HOGSSC, BCSO, AMA, DoD #18
Chemistry Dept., Harvard Univ.  "It's my Harley, and I'll ride if I want to..."
From: jld@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Deeney)
Subject: Re: Re: Inverted Fork needed
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
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In rec.motorcycles, Matthew Mark Mueller <mm7k+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> Help!
>
> I need the left side inverted fork for a 92' GSX-R 750 so I can go to
> track practice at Nelson Ledges next weekend.
Hey, what do we look like, a parts store?  Has it ever occurred to you to
visit your dealer and fork out the bucks for a new one?  What are the
chances of someone happening to have a '92 part laying around, much less
one in working condition?  Sheesh, some edu's.
Besides, I only have the right side inverted GSX-R fork.  It's already been
converted into a floor lamp.
-Jeff Deeney-  DoD#0498    NCTR                '88 XR600-Shamu
jld@hpfcla.fc.hp.com       AMA#540813  COHVCO  '81 CB750F-Llamaha
It's too bad that whole families have to be torn apart by something as
simple as wild dogs.          -Jack Handey
From: nbetz@csi.compuserve.com (Nathan Betz)
Subject: First bike: Honda Ascot?
Organization: CompuServe Incorporated
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Hi folks.
I'm going to be buying my first bike and I'm considering an 82
Honda Ascot FT500 with less than 5K miles. Does this sound like a
reasonable choice? Is there anything special I need to know?
Thanks.
-Nathan
From: gaijin@ale.Japan.Sun.COM (John Little - Nihon Sun Repair Depot)
Subject: Re: So, do any police ossifers read this stuff?
Organization: Nihon Sun Microsystems - Atsugi Technical Centre - JAPAN.
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(J. R. Laferriere) writes:
%
% I was just wondering if there were any law officers that read this.  I have
% several questions I would like to ask pertaining to motorcycles and cops.
%
What happened to Charlie Lear??  He used to have "connections",  didn't
he?
(Hey, this is cyberspace mister...  you wanna 'stateside cop, ya gotta'
specify!)
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| John Little  - gaijin@Japan.Sun.COM  - Sun Microsystems. Atsugi, Japan |
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From: deeds@vulcan1.edsg.hac.com ( Dean Deeds)
Subject: GS1100E (was Re: buying advice needed)
Reply-To: deeds@vulcan1.UUCP ( Dean Deeds)
Organization: Hughes Aircraft Co., El Segundo, CA
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In article <Afoi=te00j_jAnvopV@cs.cmu.edu> Dale.James@cs.cmu.edu writes:
>GS1100E.  It's a great bike, but you'd better be damn careful!
>I got a 1983 as my third motorcycle,
[...deleta...]
>The bike is light for it's size (I think it's 415 pounds); but heavy for a
>beginner bike.
Heavy for a beginner bike it is; 415 pounds it isn't, except maybe in
some adman's dream.  With a full tank, it's in the area of 550 lbs,
depending on year etc.
>You're 6'4" -- you should have no problem physically managing
>it.  The seat is roughly akin to a plastic-coated 2by6.  Very firm to very
>painful, depending upon time in the saddle.
The 1980 and '81 versions had a much better seat, IMO.
>The bike suffers from the infamous Suzuki regulator problem.  I have so far
>avoided forking out the roughly $150 for the Suzuki part by kludging in
>different Honda regulator/rectifier units from junkyards.  The charging system
>consistently overcharges the battery.  I have to refill it nearly weekly.
>This in itself is not so bad, but battery access is gained only after removing
>the seat, the tank, and the airbox.
My regulator lasted over 100,000 miles, and didn't overcharge the battery.
The wiring connectors in the charging path did get toasty though,
tending to melt their insulation.  I suspect they were underspecified;
it didn't help that they were well removed from cool air.
Battery access on the earlier bikes doesn't require tank removal.
After you learn the drill, it's pretty straightforward.
[...]
>replacement parts, like all Suzuki parts, are outrageously expensive.
Having bought replacement parts for several brands of motorcycles,
I'll offer a grain of salt to be taken with Dale's assessment.
[...]
>Good luck, and be careful!
>--Dale
Sentiments I can't argue with...or won't...
-- Dean Deeds
deeds@vulcan1.edsg.hac.com
From: howland@noc2.arc.nasa.gov (Curt Howland)
Subject: Re: Newbie
Organization: NASA Science Internet Project Office
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In article <C5swox.GwI@mailer.cc.fsu.edu>, os048@xi.cs.fsu.edu () writes:
|>  hey there,
|>     Yea, thats what I am....a newbie. I have never owned a motorcycle,
This makes 5! It IS SPRING!
|> Matt
|> PS I am not really sure what the purpose of this article was but...oh well
Neither were we. Read for a few days, then try again.
---
Curt Howland "Ace"       DoD#0663       EFF#569
howland@nsipo.nasa.gov            '82 V45 Sabre
Meddle not in the afairs of Wizards,
for it makes them soggy and hard to re-light.
From: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears)
Subject: Re: Need advice for riding with someone on pillion
Keywords: advice, pillion, help!
Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
Reply-To: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears)
Organization: Columbia University
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In article <C5t759.DsC@well.sf.ca.us> rwert@well.sf.ca.us (Bob Wert) writes:
<...>	<...>
>This person is <100 lbs. and fairly small, so I don't see weight as too much
>of a problem, but what sort of of advice should I give her before we go?
>I want her to hold onto me  :-)   rather than the grab rail out back, and
>I've heard that she should look over my shoulder in the direction we're
>turning so she leans *with* me, but what else?  Are there traditional
>signals for SLOW DOWN!! or GO FASTER!! or I HAFTA GO PEE!! etc.???
I've never liked my passengers to try and shift their weight with the
turns at all... I find the weight shift can be very sudden and
unnerving. It's one thing if they're just getting comfortable or
decide to look over your other shoulder, but I don't recommend having
him/her shift her weight with each turn... too violent.
Also (I think someone already said this) make sure your passenger
wears good gear. I sometimes choose to ride without a helmet or
lacking other safety gear (depends on how squidly I feel) but I
won't let passengers do it. What I do to myself I can handle, but
I wouldn't want to hurt anyone else, so I don't let them on without
gloves, jacket, (at least) jeans, heavy boots, and a helmet that *fits*
>I really want this to be a positive experience for us both, mainly so that
>she'll want to go with me again, so any help will be appreciated...
Go *real* easy. It's amazing how solid a grip you have on the
handle bars that your passenger does not. Don't make her feel like
she's going to slide off the back, and "snappy" turns for you are
sickening lurches for her. In general, it feels much less controlled
and smooth as a passenger. I can't stand being on the back of my
brother's bike, and I ride aggressively when i ride and I know he's
a good pilot... still, everything feels very unsteady when you're
a passenger.
>Thanks,
>        -Bob-
Show off by not showing off the first time out...
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"This is where I wanna sit and buy you a drink someday." - Temple of the Dog
Sea-Bass Sears --> scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu --> DoD#516 <-- |Stanley, ID.|
'79 Yamaha XS750F -- '77 BMW R100S -- '85 Toyota 4Runner --   |  NYC, NY.  |
From: mbeaving@bnr.ca (The Beav)
Subject: DoD Confessional
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I can't help myself.
I've tried to be rational,
to look the other way,
but everytime it happens,
its uncontrollable.
I hate pre'80s motorcycles.
At first I thought it was a phase.  I though I would
get used to them.  It didn't happen.  I tried gazing
at CB750s and 900 customs, but each time I sadistically
pictured them being hurled off of large precipice
(I also picture a swarm of german tourists cheering and
taking holiday snaps, but I can't figure that part out).
What am I to do?  Everytime I read a .sig containing
some spoked wheel wonder, I shudder and feel pity that
the poor soul has suffered enough.  I imagine the owner
scrapping out his (or her) living in a discarded Maytag
refridgerator box, tucked in next to their CX500.
I'm hoping for some deliverance.  I had in the past loathed
the Milwaukee machine, but I can actually begin to understand
some of the preaching.  There must be hope.
--
===================================================
= The Beav |Mike Beavington| Dod:9733             =
= V65Sabre     mbeaving@bnr.ca                    =
= My employer has no idea what I'm talking about! =
===================================================
From: jon@bigdog (Jon Wright)
Subject: Anybody tape Daytona?
Organization: Pages Software Inc.
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In article <C5L5Fy.GH9@acsu.buffalo.edu> v060j5kb@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Mark W
Olszowy) writes:
> I haven't seen anything about it yet, but if it's already been mentioned I'm
> sorry for the repost.  Anyways, TNN is showing Daytona on Sunday April 18
> at 7:00pm to 8:30pm (EST).  Don't miss it.  It's got a hell of a finish!
Well, I looked for it and didn't manage to find it in my listings for TNN.  Has
anybody taped it VHS, and could they be persuaded to lend it to me after they
watch it?  I would be most greatful.
--
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Jon Wright              "Now how the hell did              Pages Software Inc.
DoD #0823              THAT come outa my mouth?"                  '86 VFR700f2
From: jon@bigdog (Jon Wright)
Subject: Re: Women's Jackets? (was Ed must be a Daemon Child!!)
Organization: Pages Software Inc.
Distribution: usa
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In article <1993Apr16.171211.5772@colorado.edu> bowmanj@csn.org (Jerry Bowman)
writes:
> In article <bethdC5Juzw.18F@netcom.com> bethd@netcom.com (Beth Dixon) writes:
> >In article <1993Apr14.141637.20071@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
jhensley@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Hensley) writes:
> >>Beth Dixon (bethd@netcom.com) wrote:
> >>: new Duc 750SS doesn't, so I'll have to go back to carrying my lipstick
> >>: in my jacket pocket.  Life is _so_ hard.  :-)
> >>
> >>My wife is looking for a jacket, and most of the men's styles she's tried
> >>don't fit too well. If they fit the shoulders and arms, they're too
> >>tight across the chest, or something like that. Anyone have any
> >>suggestions? I'm assuming that the V-Pilot, in addition to its handy
> >>storage facilities, is a pretty decent fit. Is there any company that
> >>makes a reasonable line of women's motorcycling stuff? More importantly,
> >>does anyone in Boulder or Denver know of a shop that bothers carrying any?
There's an article in Motorcycling a couple of months back specifically on
women's attire for serious and not-so-serious riding.  They do mention who
makes stuff specific for women's dimensions, and what also works OK enough as
well.  Bates will make custom jackets and leathers for a reasonable charge.
--
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Jon Wright              "Now how the hell did              Pages Software Inc.
DoD #0823              THAT come outa my mouth?"                  '86 VFR700f2
From: thompson@apple.com (Paul Thompson)
Subject: Re: Wanted: Advice for New Cylist
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc., Cupertino, California
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blaisec@sr.hp.com (Blaise Cirelli) writes:
>So the question I have is "HOW DANGEROUS IS RIDING"?
sorta.
>The next question I have is what bike would you recommend for
>a first time rider.
'88 Honda Hawk
YMMV.
--
Paul Thompson    Apple Computer
From: jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu (JACK ROGERS WATERS)
Subject: Re: Your opinion and what it means to me.
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
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In article <1993Apr20.204831.19788@rtsg.mot.com> svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) writes:
>In article <13516@news.duke.edu> infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante) writes:
>|Well, as a few of you so aptly put it,
>|get off the road, jerk, we don't wanna hear your
>|whining.
>|
>|Fine.
>|
>|Fuck off too.
>|
>|If you noticed, it was in 91, more than two years ago,
>|and YES, I've learned, and it's cost me.
>|
>|And yes, I've known people (friends and relatives) who've
>|been involved in drunk-related accidents (not them, they were hit)
>|and my cousin is still recovering.
>|
>|No, I can't take back what happened.
>|
>|Yes, it was stupid.
>|
>|But, by reminding me about it all the time, you're
>|neither helping me or yourself, so stuff your opinion.
>
>Hey, man, you brought it up.  I agree completely, driving drunk is really
>stupid, and I understand and appreciate that you feel bad about it.  But
>DWI is endemic in our society.  It is a REAL problem.  And we, as
>motorcyclists, can be in the worst of vulnerable positions around a drunk
>driver.  (Alert readers might remember that last year I witnessed a DWI
>accident (right bloody in front of me), and was unable to save the life
>of one of the participants, as I reported here.)  Also, drunk driving by
>motorcyclists is a prime cause of their injury and death, which raises the
>insurance rates, forces stupidly restrictive laws, and turns the public
>against those of us who ride responsibly.
>
>In my view, drunk driving should carry a mandatory prison sentence.
>It is one of the traffic offenses which is NOT a public funds issue,
>but a genuine safety issue.  So if YOU bring up the subject on rec.moto,
>admitting having been caught DWI, and looking for sympathy over the
>consequences, don't expect people to respond with warm wishes.
>
>Dave Svoboda (svoboda@void.rtsg.mot.com)    | "I'm getting tired of
You and the Beav should lighten up (esp the Beav).  I agree that
DUI/DWI is serious.  We should have reasonable laws, strict
enforcement, and tough sentences.  But, Andrew did not
post "looking for sympathy over the consequences."  He posted
asking for advice because he had an extremely high quote.  His
post was obviously valid because he later found insurance for LESS.
He noted why he was in his predicament but did not defend in
any way drunk driving (and has renounced drunk driving).  There
are too many repeat offenders to worry about and other BDC.
Why try to make this person who is no longer part of the problem
an outcast?  He has paid his debt to society.  Step off the high
horse.  We have all been irresponsible in the past.
With that said, I'm guilty of the same type of hostility towards
rapists.  I think it comes because I feel the punishment is not
severe enough.  The same may be true of DWI/DUI. If that is the
case, then it is our stinkin' gubment we need to change.  If
we had a reasonable law about DWI/DUI with a stiff penalty
then fewer people would do it.
At any rate, Andrew as paid his debt as defined by the law.
If you think that debt is actually greater than the law mandates,
tell your 'representatives'.
Jack Waters II
DoD#1919
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~ I don't fear the thief in the night.  Its the one that comes in the  ~
~ afternoon, when I'm still asleep, that I worry about.                ~
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From: nelson@seahunt.imat.com (Michael Nelson)
Subject: Re: extraordinary footpeg engineering
Nntp-Posting-Host: seahunt.imat.com
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In article <1qt19d$2fj@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) writes:
>exb0405@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au wrote:
>
>Let me guess.  You were making a left turn, correct?  The edge of the stud
>contacting the road caused it to turn and unthread itself.  If you had
>been making a right turn it would have tightened the stud.
Bzzzt! Thanks for playing.  If he'd been making a right
turn, the sucker would have been a couple feet off the
ground.
Michael
--
+-------------------------------------------------------------+
| Michael Nelson                                1993 CBR900RR |
| Internet: nelson@seahunt.imat.com                 Dod #0735 |
+-------------------------------------------------------------+
From: mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith)
Subject: Re: FJ1100/1200 Owners: Tankbag Suggestions Wanted
Organization: University of East Anglia
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martenm@chess.ncsu.edu (Mark Marten) writes:
>I am looking for a new tank bag now, and I wondered if you, as follow
>FJ1100/1200 owners, could make some suggestions as to what has, and has
>not worked for you. If there is already a file on this I apologize for
>asking and will gladly accept any flames that are blown my way!
I've got a Belstaff tankbag on my FJ1100, and it ain't too good. It's
difficult to fix it securely cos of the the tank/fairing/sidepanel layout,
and also with the bars on full lock the bag touches the handlebar switches,
so you get the horn on full left lock and the starter motor on full right!!
If I was buying another I think I'd go for a magnetic one.
From: nuet_ke@pts.mot.com (KEITH NUETZMAN X3153 P7625)
Subject: Re: Help!  Which bikes are short?
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I'm not sure on the older bikes, but the Yamaha Virago 535 has spec'd
seat height of 27.6 in. and the Honda Shadow 27.2 in.
From: CGKarras@world.std.com (Christopher G Karras)
Subject: Need Maintenance tips
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
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After reading the service manual for my bike (Suzuki GS500E--1990) I have
a couple of questions I hope you can answer:
When checking the oil level with the dip stick built into the oil fill
cap, does one check it with the cap screwed in or not?  I am more used to
the dip stick for a cage where the stick is extracted fully, wiped clean
and reinserted fully, then withdrawn and read.  The dip stick on my bike
is part of the oil filler cap and has about 1/2 inch of threads on it.  Do
I remove the cap, wipe the stick clean and reinsert it with/without
screwing it down before reading?
The service manual calls for the application of Suzuki Bond No. 1207B on
the head cover.  I guess this is some sort of liquid gasket material.  do
you know of a generic (cheaper) substitute?
My headlight is a Halogen 60/55 W bulb.  Is there an easy, brighter
replacement bulb available?  Where should I look for one?
As always, I very much appreciate your help.  The weather in Philadelphia
has finally turned WARM.  This weekend I saw lotsa bikes, and the riders
ALL waved.  A nice change of tone from what Philadelphia can be like. . . .
Chris
--
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Christopher G. Karras
Internet:    CGKarras@world.std.com
From: bss2p@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Brent S. Stone)
Subject: Wanted: Advice for New Cylist  (Ditto)
Organization: University of Virginia
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In article <C5r7Ey.7Mq@srgenprp.sr.hp.com> blaisec@sr.hp.com (Blaise Cirelli) writes:
>
I'm thinking about becoming a bike owner this year
w/o any bike experience thus far.  I figure that getting a
decent used bike for under $1K the thing would pay for itself
while I'm at grad school (car permits are $$$ where I'm going
and who want's to ride a bus).  I'm looking for advice
on a first bike - best models/years.  I'm NOT looking for
an old loud roaring thing that sounds like a monster.  The
quit whirring of newer engines is more to my liking.
Apprec any advice.
Thanks,
BS
From: leavitt@cs.umd.edu (Mr. Bill)
Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post
Organization: The Cafe at the Edge of the Universe
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mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) writes:
mjs>Well, there are just as many courses here and elsewhere that do *not*
mjs>teach the technique, yet seem to be rather successful...
Sure.  You don't miss what you never had.  Those poor sods don't know
what they're missing.  I guess ignorance is bliss, eh Mike?
Mr. Bill
--
+ Bill Leavitt, #224 +   '82 CBX "White Lightning", '82 GS850G "Suzibago"   +
+ leavitt@cs.umd.edu + '76 CJ360 "Little Honda", '68 Lone Star "Sick Leave" +
+  DoD AMA ICOA NIA  + '69 Impala convertible "The Incredible Hulk", others +
+ "Hmmm, I thought bore and stroke *was* the technique!" Michael Bain, #757 +
From: csundh30@ursa.calvin.edu (Charles Sundheim)
Subject: Re: story
Keywords: PARTY!!!!
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lynn@pacesetter.com (Lynn E. Hall) writes:
>allowed (yes, there is a God). No open containers on the street was the
>signs in the bars. Yeah, RIGHT! The 20 or so cops on hand for the couple of
>thousand of bikers in a 1 block main street were not citing anyone. The
>street was filled with empty cans at least 2 feet deep in the gutter. The
>crowd was raisin' hell - tittie shows everywhere. Can you say PARTY?
And still we wonder why they stereotype us...
-Erc.
From: gruncie@cs.strath.ac.uk (Gillian E Runcie CS92)
Subject: Re: How to act in front of traffic jerks
Organization: Comp. Sci. Dept., Strathclyde Univ., Glasgow, Scotland.
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being a mere female, I have often found I can't really take the big offensive line with asshole car drivers, so I found a more subtle and nastly
ooops I mean nasty way to get back at them. If somebody cuts you up, just wait till they have pulled out past you, and then gently lean over and
bend their aerial, every time I have done that it has eventually snapped
off near the base - which tends to go undetected for a while and is a bummer to replace.
gillian
From: leavitt@cs.umd.edu (Mr. Bill)
Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post
Organization: The Cafe at the Edge of the Universe
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mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) writes:
mjs>No No No No!! All I am saying is that you don't even need to tell people
mjs>the technique of countersteering, cos they will do it intuitively the first
mjs>time they try to go round a corner.
karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr) writes:
karr>Are you sure?  Remember that you *can* get around corners without
karr>countersteering.  In fact, my Experienced Rider Course instructors
karr>claimed that they could get on behind a new rider and make the bike
karr>turn to whichever side they wanted just by shifting their weight
karr>around, even when the operator was trying to turn in the opposite
karr>direction.  (I admit I've never actually seen this.)
I've experienced this, back when I was young(er) and (more) foolish...
My first bike used to track extremely true.  Going down the highway,
I would set the throttle tension screw up enough to hold the gas
steady, slide back on the seat and lean against the backrest, riding
without any hands.  If I needed to turn, I'd shift my weight into the
turn, and lo and behold, the bike would turn, sans touching the bars!
Granted, it wouldn't turn very fast, but it proves that you can turn
a bike without countersteering, at least not in terms of the input
to the bar normally associated with countersteering.
As I've said, I know many people who think all you do is lean, and any
input they're giving to the bar is totally unconscious.  Whereas that
may be sufficient to get you down the road under normal circumstances,
possibly for years at a stretch, I can't think of anybody who'd argue
that this is preferable to properly knowing how to manipulate the bar
in a turn, regardless of what you want to call it.
Except maybe for Mr. Sixsmith...  ;^)
Mr. Bill
--
+ Bill Leavitt, #224 +   '82 CBX "White Lightning", '82 GS850G "Suzibago"   +
+ leavitt@cs.umd.edu + '76 CJ360 "Little Honda", '68 Lone Star "Sick Leave" +
+  DoD AMA ICOA NIA  + '69 Impala convertible "The Incredible Hulk", others +
+ "Hmmm, I thought bore and stroke *was* the technique!" Michael Bain, #757 +
From: asphaug@lpl.arizona.edu (Erik Asphaug x2773)
Subject: Insurance discount
Summary: Two or more vehicles... discount?
Organization: Lunar & Planetary Laboratory, Tucson AZ.
Lines: 26
Hola amigos,
Quiero... I need an answer to a pressing question.  I now own two
bikes and would love to keep them both.  One is a capable and
smooth street bike, low and lightweight with wide power and great
brakes; the other is a Beemer G/S, kind of rough for the city but
great on the long road and backroad.  A good start at a stable, but
I don't think it's going to work.  Unfortunately, insurance is going
to pluck me by the short hairs.
Unless... some insurance agent offers a multi-vehicle discount.  They
do this all the time for cars, assuming that you're only capable of
driving one of the things at a time.  I don't think I'll ever manage
to straddle both bikes and ride them tandem down the street. (Turn left...
accelerate the Zephyr; turn right... accelerate the Beemer.)  Does
anybody know of an agency that makes use of this simple fact to
discount your rates?  State Farm doesn't.
By the way, I'm moving to the Bay area so I'll be insuring the bikes
there, and registering them.  To ease me of the shock, can somebody
guesstimate the cost of insuring a ZR550 and a R800GS?  Here in Tucson
they only cost me $320 (full) and $200 (liability only) for the two,
per annum.
Muchas gracias,
Enrique
From: zowie@daedalus.stanford.edu (Craig "Powderkeg" DeForest)
Subject: Re: Need advice for riding with someone on pillion
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In-reply-to: raible@nas.nasa.gov's message of 20 Apr 93 19:32:39
In article <C5t759.DsC@well.sf.ca.us> rwert@well.sf.ca.us (Bob Wert) writes:
I need some advice on having someone ride pillion with me on my 750 Ninja.
This will be the the first time I've taken anyone for an extended ride
(read: farther than around the block  :-).  We'll be riding some twisty,
fairly bumpy roads (the Mines Road-Mt.Hamilton Loop for you SF Bay Areans).
Communication:  work out your own system.  Or just slow down and holler
back every once in a while.  At reasonable speeds, even on my under-muffled
Magna, we can hear each other.  It's only above, say, 45 MPH that you
can't really communicate.
Balance: New passengers are a real pain, because you never know how
they're going to react to steering.  Some people catch on immediately
and lean with me.  Others are completely skittish about the leaning
thing, and keep their bodies perpendicular to the horizon.  This is a
pain while turning, but manageable.  The WORST are the passengers who stay
perpendicular to the horizon, then REMEMBER in the middle of a turn
and WHIP AROUND until they're in the `correct' position.  This always
screws up the line I've picked out.
Here's my personal checklist of things to tell passengers:
- attire: helmet, long pants, boots/heavy shoes, jacket.
- Keep feet on pegs at all times, unless I say otherwise.  Do not
get on/off unless I say you can.  (I've had people try to dismount
in traffic, just as I'm pulling in to a parking space!)
- Muffler gets HOT! ('Nuff said)
- We get *GOOD* traction.  We're not going to fall over.  (Many
first-time riders are surprised by how tightly you can turn!)
- Turn dynamics:  sit so that you feel like you're sitting upright and
we're going straight.  Trust your butt, not your eyes -- if you're
confused, close your eyes for a couple of turns to get the feel
of it.  Or just hug me tight.
- Please, no sudden moves -- shift your weight as desired, but be
gradual, so I can compensate.
- Your faceplate is yours to open/close as desired.
- Trust is essential.  Trust the driver (me) to do the right
thing -- I've driven many miles on this thing, and know how
to operate it.  Enjoy the ride.  (This is important to
stress.  For example, one of my first-time passwngers seemed to
watch the speedo like a hawk:  I drove her to the beach down 84,
and whever we topped 35 mph, she'd holler, "SLOW DOWN! I'M SCARED"
I humored her for a while, then simply covered the speedometer with
the spare piece of duct tape I keep stuck to the top of the cluster.
Problem solved:  she watched the scenery instead of the
instruments, and had a much better time.  Based on her
experience driving a Lincoln Continental, she was unwilling to
trust my ability to choose a safe speed for the bike.)
Usually I'll point out the controls, engine, transmission, brakes,
tires, etc. and discuss motorcycle physics a bit too for first-timers.
Helps calm their nerves, and gives the bike a chance to warm up.
Watch out for gravel on the Mt. Hamilton road:  there were lots of little
mudslides after the last big rain; by now, many of the blind corners will
be nicely covered with a carpet of little, round, nearly invisible stones.
It doesn't help build trust when you slide out on a blind corner, on the
first trip!
Good luck -- have fun!
--
DON'T DRINK SOAP! DILUTE DILUTE! OK!
From: bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner)
Subject: Re: IT AIN'T FOR ME!
Keywords: FAQ, FUBAR, ISIFU
Nntp-Posting-Host: 130.187.85.70
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
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In article <speedy.156@engr.latech.edu> speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer) writes:
>I am confused (like THAT'S a surprise!), someone asked ME for a copy of the
>FAQ via E-Mail.  As I am not the KotFAQ, I was wondering what the proper
>responce is?
Our panel of judges has deliberated the question, and the answer is:
Send the requester one copy, and then gang-FAQ yourself.
--
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland
bgardner@dsd.es.com
From: mbeaving@bnr.ca (Michael Beavington)
Subject: Re: Your opinion and what it means to me.
Nntp-Posting-Host: bmerh824
Reply-To: MBEAVING@BNR.CA
Organization: BNR Ottawa, DMS Software Design
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In article <13516@news.duke.edu>, infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante) writes:
|> Well, as a few of you so aptly put it,
|> get off the road, jerk, we don't wanna hear your
|> whining.
|>
|> Fine.
|>
|> Fuck off too.
Well it still looks like you've got an attitude problem
Mr. Muttonhead.  You should take the comments with more
sensitivity.  I still despise most people who belittle
drinking and driving since my first girlfriend was killed
by such an asshole back in '85.  Learn to take the verbal
abuse.
If you can't take the flames,
and you can't use your brains,
stay out of the newsgroup.
=============================================================================
= The Beav |Mike Beavington|BellNorthernResearch Ottawa,Ont,Canada| Dod:9733=
= Seca 400->Seca 400->RZ350->Seca750->Suzuki550->Seca650turbo->V65Sabre     =
= (-> 1994 GTS1000 ...can't afford the '93) |  mbeaving@bnr.ca              =
= This company has no idea what I am talking about!                         =
=============================================================================
From: James Leo Belliveau <jbc9+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: First Bike??
Organization: Freshman, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Anyone,
I am a serious motorcycle enthusiast without a motorcycle, and to
put it bluntly, it sucks.  I really would like some advice on what would
be a good starter bike for me.  I do know one thing however, I need to
make my first bike a good one, because buying a second any time soon is
out of the question.  I am specifically interested in racing bikes, (CBR
600 F2, GSX-R 750).  I know that this may sound kind of crazy
considering that I've never had a bike before, but I am responsible, a
fast learner, and in love.  Please give me any advice that you think
would help me in my search, including places to look or even specific
bikes that you want to sell me.
Thanks  :-)
Jamie Belliveau (jbc9@andrew.cmu.edu)
From: James Leo Belliveau <jbc9+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: First Bike??
Organization: Freshman, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Lines: 17
NNTP-Posting-Host: andrew.cmu.edu
Anyone,
I am a serious motorcycle enthusiast without a motorcycle, and to
put it bluntly, it sucks.  I really would like some advice on what would
be a good starter bike for me.  I do know one thing however, I need to
make my first bike a good one, because buying a second any time soon is
out of the question.  I am specifically interested in racing bikes, (CBR
600 F2, GSX-R 750).  I know that this may sound kind of crazy
considering that I've never had a bike before, but I am responsible, a
fast learner, and in love.  Please give me any advice that you think
would help me in my search, including places to look or even specific
bikes that you want to sell me.
Thanks  :-)
Jamie Belliveau (jbc9@andrew.cmu.edu)
From: dean@fringe.rain.com (Dean Woodward)
Subject: Re: Comments on a 1984 Honda Interceptor 1000?
Organization: Organization for Mass Confusion.
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jearls@tekig6.PEN.TEK.COM (Jeffrey David Earls) writes:
> In article <19APR93.15421177@skyfox> howp@skyfox writes:
> >Hi.
> >     I am considering the purchase of a 1984 Honda 1000cc Interceptor for
> >$2095 CDN (about $1676 US).  I don't know the mileage on this bike, but from
> >the picture in the 'RV Trader' magazine, it looks to be in good shape.
> >Can anybody enlighten me as to whether this is a good purchase?
>
>    Oog.  I hate to jump in on this type of thread but ....
>
>       pass on the VF1000.  It's big, top heavy, and carries lots of
>       expensive parts.
What he said.  Most of my friends refer to them as "ground magnets."  One
> =============================================================================
> |Jeff Earls  jearls@tekig6.pen.tek.com | DoD #0530  KotTG  KotSPT   WMTC  AMA
> |'89 FJ1200 - Millennium Falcon        |   Squid Factor: 16.99
> |'93 KLR650 - Thumpy                   | "Hit the button Chewie!"... Han Solo
>
>     "There ain't nothin' like a 115 mph sweeper in the Idaho rockies." - me
--
Dean Woodward         | "You want to step into my world?
dean@fringe.rain.com  |   It's a socio-psychotic state of Bliss..."
'82 Virago 920        |              -Guns'n'Roses, 'My World'
DoD # 0866
From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Subject: Re: dogs
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View
Lines: 35
In article <93Apr20.193958.30419@acs.ucalgary.ca> parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes:
}Sheesh, even a trained attack dog is no match for a human,
}we have *all* the advantages.
I agree with this 100%. After all, when you grab under his chin and
are careful to keep your hands away from his twisting head, what is
he going to do -- tailwag you to death? I even had one occasion where
I was unexpectedly jumped by a 130 lb. German Shepherd and grabbed
his upper jaw in one hand and his lower jaw in the other. Now I'm
holding his mouth open (no way is he strong enough to clamp down)
and he can do nothing.
HOWEVER, all this macho shit aside, the fact is that when you are
riding a bike and a dog is arrowing to intercept, it may be unwise
for you to stop and try to deal with the dog, for the simple fact
that it might be through your leathers and working on your jeans
before you can dismount and deal with it properly.
By all means, if you do kick the dog or otherwise get its attention,
STOP and STAY there. If you kick the dog and ride away, that is a
victory for the dog -- it drove you out of its territory. It is not
even a qualified victory, it is a victory. If you kick it and STOP,
and sit there, 99% of dogs will say, "Oh, shit! This guy's serious!"
and back off. Now you have established your dominance over the dog,
and it probably will not bother you again.
Llamas, however, are a different story. If you stop near a llama,
it will just hop on and insist on a ride. And that's if you're
lucky; if it doesn't like you it'll barf you off the bike and
steal it!
--
Curtis Jackson	   cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com	'91 Hawk GT	'81 Maxim 650
DoD#0721 KotB  '91 Black Lab mix "Studley Doright"  '92 Collie/Golden "George"
"There is no justification for taking away individuals' freedom
in the guise of public safety." -- Thomas Jefferson
From: oconnor@eng.umd.edu (Mark O'Connor)
Subject: Re: Question about helmets
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park, MD
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On the other side of the fence, I owned a Bieffe off-road helmet.
Took what I would consider a minor fall, and had visible damage
to the shell.  Yes, the helmet did its job.  But the damage/impact
ratio was scary.  I own Bell Moto-5 now, have taken impacts on
order of twice the Bieffe impact (we do this frequently in MX),
and don't even have a scratch on it after two seasons.  My
recommendation is to buy _high_ quality gear.  YMMV.
-mark
From: bowmanj@csn.org (Jerry Bowman)
Subject: Re: Women's Jackets? (was Ed must be a Daemon Child!!)
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In article <bethdC5Juzw.18F@netcom.com> bethd@netcom.com (Beth Dixon) writes:
>In article <1993Apr14.141637.20071@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jhensley@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Hensley) writes:
>>Beth Dixon (bethd@netcom.com) wrote:
>>: new Duc 750SS doesn't, so I'll have to go back to carrying my lipstick
>>: in my jacket pocket.  Life is _so_ hard.  :-)
>>
>>My wife is looking for a jacket, and most of the men's styles she's tried
>>don't fit too well. If they fit the shoulders and arms, they're too
>>tight across the chest, or something like that. Anyone have any
>>suggestions? I'm assuming that the V-Pilot, in addition to its handy
>>storage facilities, is a pretty decent fit. Is there any company that
>>makes a reasonable line of women's motorcycling stuff? More importantly,
>>does anyone in Boulder or Denver know of a shop that bothers carrying any?
>
>I was very lucky I found a jacket I liked that actually _fits_.
>HG makes the v-pilot jackets, mine is a very similar style made
>by Just Leather in San Jose. I bought one of the last two they
>ever made.
>
>Finding decent womens motorcycling gear is not easy.  There is a lot
>of stuff out there that's fringed everywhere, made of fashion leather,
>made to fit men, etc.  I don't know of a shop in your area.  There
>are some women rider friendly places in the San Francisco/San Jose
>area, but I don't recommend buying clothing mail order.  Too hard
>to tell if it'll fit.  Bates custom makes leathers.  You might want
>to call them (they're in L.A.) and get a cost estimate for the type
>of jacket your wife is interested in.  Large manufacturers like
>BMW and H.G. sell women's lines of clothing of decent quality, but
>fit is iffy.
>
>A while ago, Noemi and Lisa Sieverts were talking about starting
>a business doing just this sort of thing.  Don't know what they
>finally decided.
>
>Beth
Seems to me that Johns H.D. in Ft Collins used to carry some
honest to god womens garb.>
>=================================================================
>Beth [The One True Beth] Dixon                   bethd@netcom.com
>1981 Yamaha SR250 "Excitable Girl"                      DoD #0384
>1979 Yamaha SR500 "Spike the Garage Rat"             FSSNOC #1843
>1992 Ducati 750SS                                     AMA #631903
>1963 Ducati 250 Monza -- restoration project         1KQSPT = 1.8
>"I can keep a handle on anything just this side of deranged."
>                                                        -- ZZ Top
>=================================================================
From: randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis)
Subject: Re: V-max handling request
Reply-To: randy@megatek.com
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Lines: 22
In article <1993Apr15.232009.8534@Newbridge.COM> bradw@Newbridge.COM (Brad Warkentin) writes:
|Zero to very fast very quickly... lastest rumor is 115 hp at the rear wheel,
|handles like a dream in a straight line to 80-100, and then gets a tad upset
|according to a review in Cycle World... cornering, er well, you can't have
|everything...
Sure you can have everything, if by "everything" you mean fast straight line
performance AND handling - present day liter sport bikes have more horsepower
and have faster 0-60 and 1/4 mile times than the V-max...  Plus, they corner
just a bit better...
| Seriously, handling is probably as good as the big standards
|of the early 80's but not compareable to whats state of the art these days.
Very true.
Randy Davis                            Email: randy@megatek.com
ZX-11 #00072 Pilot                            {uunet!ucsd}!megatek!randy
DoD #0013
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From: arnie@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Arnie Skurow)
Subject: Re: Solar battery chargers -- any good?
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In article <1993Apr16.061736.8785@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> robert@Xenon.Stanf
ord.EDU (Robert Kennedy) writes:
>I've seen solar battery boosters, and they seem to come without any
>guarantee. On the other hand, I've heard that some people use them
>with success, although I have yet to communicate directly with such a
>person. Have you tried one? What was your experience? How did you use
>it (occasional charging, long-term leave-it-for-weeks, etc.)?
>
>    -- Robert Kennedy
I have a cheap solar charger that I keep in my car.  I purchased it via
some mail order catalog when the 4 year old battery in my Oldsmobile would
run down during Summer when I was riding my bike more than driving my car.
Knowing I'd be selling the car in a year or so, I purchased the charger.
Believe it or not, the thing worked.  The battery held a charge and
energetically started the car, many times after 4 or 5 weeks of just
sitting.
Eventually I had to purchase a new battery anyway because the Winter sun
wasn't strong enough due to its low angle.
I think I paid $29 or $30 for the charger.  There are more powerful, more
expensive ones, but I purchased the cheapest one I could find.
I've never used it on the bike because I have an E-Z Charger on it and
keep it plugged in all the time the bike is garaged.
Arnie Skurow
From: tony@morgan.demon.co.uk (Tony Kidson)
Subject: Re: What is it with Cats and Dogs ???!
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In article <1qk3mqINN72e@emory.mathcs.emory.edu> gnome@pd.org writes:
>james.bessette (jimbes@cbnewsj.cb.att.com) wrote:
>>In article <6130328@hplsla.hp.com> kens@hplsla.hp.com (Ken Snyder) writes:
>>Ask the breeder why they also chase BMWs also.
>
>Cam chain.
>
In that case why do they chase ST1100s & Goldwings?
Tony
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From: sdun@isma.demon.co.uk (Stephen Dunne)
Subject: Re: GGRRRrrr!! Cages double-parking motorc
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In <1qjmf6$d0i@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:
>In article 34211@castle.ed.ac.uk, wbg@festival.ed.ac.uk (W Geake) writes:
>An apartment complex where I used to live tried this, only they put the
>thing over the driver's window, "so they couldn't miss it."  A friend
>damned near wrecked on the way home one night, her vision blocked by
>the sticker.  I suggested to the manager the ENORMOUS liability they
>Be careful about putting stickers on cages' windows.
Hmmm.. The LDDC security guards over here in Docklands only place parking
stickers on the drivers SIDE windows.. But on reflection that could still
cause an accident.. Suppose it's because people aren't as litigious over
here as in the states :-)
Stephen
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From: speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer)
Subject: Re: Boom! Dog attack!
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In article <csundh30.734975106@ursa> csundh30@ursa.calvin.edu (Charles Sundheim) writes:
<tale of bike-eating-devil-dog deleted>
>Moral: I'm not really sure, but more and more I believe that bikers ought
>       to be allowed to carry handguns.
Come to Louisiana where it is LEGAL to carry concealed weapons on a bike!
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From: moseley@u.washington.edu (Steve L. Moseley)
Subject: Re: neck reining -was- Countersteering_FAQ please post
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In article <1qmetg$g2n@sixgun.East.Sun.COM>
egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:
>Basically, there are two ways to steer a horse, plow-rein and
>neck-rein.  Plow-reining steers him by keeping the reins separate, and
>you pull in the direction you wish to go.  Neck-reining steers a horse
>by holding the reins together in one hand, and pulling against the
>horse's neck in the direction you wish to go.  When training a
>plow-steering horse to neck-rein, one technique is to cross the reins
>under his necks.  Thus, when neck-reining to the left, the right rein
>pulls against the right side of the neck, but the left side of the bit
>(which the horse is used to from his plow-reining days).
I learned when riding bareback as a kid to "palm-reign", by just
pushing on the right side of the horse's neck with your right palm to turn
left - a lot like countersteering. So that came pretty easy to me in the
transition to motorcycles. It took a while however to break my habit of
kicking the rear fender with my heels to go faster.
Steve
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From: karish@gondwana.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish)
Subject: Re: Changing sprocket ratios (79 Honda CB750)
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In article <C5K5BM.BtB@ms.uky.edu> cbrooks@ms.uky.edu (Clayton Brooks) writes:
>Do any Honda gurus know if I can replace the
>the front sprocket on my 1979 Honda CB750K with a slightly larger one?
>(I see this as being preferable to reducing the size of the rear one)
That's a twin-cam, right?  There's a steel guard right next to
the sprocket to keep a broken chain from punching a hole in the
engine cases, and it's needed.  There's probably not enough room
to fit a bigger sprocket.
I'd be inclined to take two teeth off the rear for a 5% ratio
change rather than adding one to the front for about 7%.  If you
raise the overall gear ratio too much you'll impair the bike's
rideability, because the gears will be far enough apart that
there will be only one gear that provides adequate response at
any given speed.  Honda 750s don't have the widest of power
bands.
--
Chuck Karish          karish@mindcraft.com
(415) 323-9000 x117   karish@pangea.stanford.edu
From: ak954@yfn.ysu.edu (Albion H. Bowers)
Subject: Re: ++BIKE SOLD OVER NET 600 MILES AWAY!++
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In a previous article, essbaum@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Alexander Essbaum) says:
>In article <6130331@hplsla.hp.com>, kens@hplsla.hp.com (Ken Snyder) writes:
>|> > Any other bikes sold long distances out there...I'd love to hear about
>|> it!
>|> I bought my VFR750 from a guy in San Jose via the net.  That's 825 miles
>|> according to my odometer!
>mark andy (living in pittsburgh) bought his RZ350 from a dude in
>massachusetts (or was it connecticut?).
I sold a bike via the net to a young lady who lived in Salt Lake City.  I
live near Lost Angeles.  It turned out we had mutual aquaintances at UCLA
as well.
--
Al Bowers  DOD #900  Alfa  Ducati  Hobie  Kottke  'blad  Iaido  NASA
"Well goodness sakes...don't you know that girls can't play guitar?"
-Mary Chapin-Carpenter
From: kjk3@po.CWRU.Edu (Kathleen J. Kelly)
Subject: Re: Protective gear
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I second the boots... oil spots from cars are particularly
slippery when parking the bikes, and  good boots help here as
well.
--
Squid
Subject: Re: Changing sprocket ratios (79 Honda CB750)
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford)
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In article <3aX42B1w164w@cellar.org>, craig@cellar.org (Saint Craig) wrote:
>
> 	It can be done, contact Chaparell cycle supply, [...] Hey they even
>  had sprockets for my VF1000R which is hard to find accesssories for.
I second that.  They even had sprockets for my R100rs - _very_ hard
to find.
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John Stafford   Minnesota State University @ Winona
All standard disclaimers apply.
From: harmons@.WV.TEK.COM (Harmon Sommer)
Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this!
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>>: As a new BMW owner I was thinking about signing up for the MOA, but
>>: right now it is beginning to look suspiciously like throwing money
>>: down a rathole.
>>let my current membership lapse when it's
>>up for renewal.
>In my case that's not for another 3+ years, so I'd appreciate any
>hints on what will keep the organization in business that long.  (And
>preferably longer, of course, and worth being part of.)
Become an activist: campaign for an MC insurance program; for universal
driver/rider training before licensing. Pick a topic dear to your heart
and get the organization to act on it. Barnacles don't move ships.
From: harmons@.WV.TEK.COM (Harmon Sommer)
Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post
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>Hey Ed, how do you explain the fact that you pull on a horse's reins
>left to go left?  :-)  Or am I confusing two threads here?
Unless they have been taught to "neck rein". Then the left rein is brought
to bear on the left side of horse's neck to go right.
Equestrian counter steering?
From: mlj@af3.mlb.semi.harris.com (Marvin Jaster )
Subject: FOR SALE
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I am selling my Sportster to make room for a new FLHTCU.
This scoot is in excellent condition and has never been wrecked or abused.
Always garaged.
1990 Sportster 883 Standard (blue)
factory 1200cc conversion kit
less than 8000 miles
Branch ported and polished big valve heads
Screamin Eagle carb
Screamin Eagle cam
adjustable pushrods
Harley performance mufflers
tachometer
new Metzeler tires front and rear
Progressive front fork springs
Harley King and Queen seat and sissy bar
everything chromed
O-ring chain
fork brace
oil cooler and thermostat
new Die-Hard battery
bike cover
price: $7000.00
phone: hm 407/254-1398
wk 407/724-7137
Melbourne, Florida
From: infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante)
Subject: Insurance and lotsa points...
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Well, it looks like I'm F*cked for insurance.
I had a DWI in 91 and for the beemer, as a rec.
vehicle, it'll cost me almost $1200 bucks to insure/year.
Now what do I do?
(I could probably just sell the bike and return my DoD number,...
)
--
Andy Infante  | You can listen to what everybody says, but the fact remains   |
'71 BMW R60/5 | that you've got to get out there and do the thing yourself.   |
DoD #2426     |                             -- Joan Sutherland                |
==============| My opinions, dammit, have nothing to do with anyone else!!!   |
From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine)
Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post
Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division
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In article <1qjn7i$d0i@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
>In article 26051@rd.hydro.on.ca, jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:
>>In article <1qc529$c1r@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
>
>>>Single-track snow vehicles with front skis, and snow skis attached to
>>>skiers' legs, deform the surface of the snow, creating their own bank.
>>>Ice skates alter the phase of the ice, and also "carve" out their own
>>>tracks.
>>So what?
>
>So they have bugger all to do with motorcycles.  Hence, any apparent
>similarity in handling characteristics may, or may *not* be analagous
>in its underlying physics to that behind motorcycle handling
>characteristics.
OK, as one last attempt, I'll take a different tack.
We all seem to be in agreement that there are two explanations for why
one can use the handlebars to lean a moving motorcycle. The question is,
is one of the effect dominant, and which one is it? The idea would be to
design an experiment which would seaprate the two characteristics, and
see which effect produces a similar result to the one with which those of
us who have bikes are familiar.
Let's look at the one that, so far, has sparked no controversy on its
own, gyroscopic precession. To examine this alone, we would have to
get rid of the contact patch effect, by not allowing the contact patches
to transmit any force. The wheels and steering mechanism would have to
remain, and be attached to a vehicle with about the same weight as a bike,
through suspension (so that the wheels transmit forces to the bike the
same way) similar to a bikes. An experiment would be to ride a bike along
a dry road to get moving and to get the wheels spinning, then change
surfaces to something that won't transmit forces through the contact
patches, and try a steering manoeuvre to see if the bike leans. It
probably would, since some of us know how easy it is to fall down on ice,
but we wouldn't get a good idea of how well or what it feels like
because, without the contact patches, we can't turn.  Maybe there's a
better way. Besides, even ice doesn't get rid of the contact patch
forces altogether, so we'd have to find a really frictionless surface.
You'd have to try it again with the wheels locked to really know if it
was the rotation that did it.
Looking at the contact-patch effect only, however, is fairly simple.
Now we have to find a vehicle that gets the about the same magnitude and
direction of cantact patch forces as a motorcycle, and transmits them
about the same way to the vehicle, but without rotating wheels.
How it gets the contact patch forces is irrelevant, we're just looking
for something that has contact patches that can go straight and not
sideways, and skis or skates would do fine. I don't know of any snow-ski
or skate bikes, but up here we have the Suzuki Wetbike that is arranged
like a motorcycle but has fat water skis where there should be wheels.
I think the propellor is in front of the rear ski, or something like
that, but we could try it at a coast to get rid of most of its effect.
Now I admit that this is second hand info (although I'd love to try
one of these), but the review in the local cycle rag and a guy in
a bike shop that sells them both say that this machine handles very
much like a motorcycle, in that you countersteer it to turn.
So we have contact patches that transmit similar forces to a bike's,
a similar suspension arrangement, and no gyroscopes, but we do have
countersteering.
Conclusion: you don't need gyroscopes to countersteer vehicles that have
motorcycle-like contact patch arrangements. We still don't know what
real effect the gyroscopes have when they're there, but from my observations
of how handlebar angle, force, etc. relate to steering in general, I'm
willing to bet that they're not the dominant factor in countersteering.
If you don't like this conclusion, then don't accept it, but my motorcycle's
behaviour is consistent with it. If someone can prove otherwise, go ahead.
I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada
From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine)
Subject: Re: Observation re: helmets
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In article <1993Apr15.220511.11311@research.nj.nec.com> behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:
>	Do I have to be the one to say it?
>
>	DON'T BE SO STUPID AS TO LEAVE YOUR HELMET ON THE SEAT WHERE IT CAN
>	FALL DOWN AND GO BOOM!
True enough. I put it on the ground if it's free of spooge, or directly
on my head otherwise.
>	That kind of fall is what the helmet is designed to protect against.
Not exactly. The helmet has a lot less energy if your head isn't in it, and
there's no lump inside to compress the liner against the shell. Is a drop
off the seat enough to crack the shell? I doubt it, but you can always
send it to be inspected.
I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada
From: galway@chtm.eece.unm.edu (Denis McKeon)
Subject: Re: How to act in front of traffic jerks
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In article <nielsmm-150493114522@nanna.imv.aau.dk> nielsmm@imv.aau.dk (Niels Mikkel Michelsen) writes:
>The other day, it was raining cats and dogs, therefor I was going only to
>the speed limit, on nothing more, on my bike. This guy in his BMW was
>driving 1-2 meters behind me for 7-800 meters and at the next red light I
>calmly put the bike on its leg, walked back to this car, he rolled down the
>window, and I told him he was a total idiot (and the reason why).
>
>Did I do the right thing?
Well, I used to get mad, and either try to communicate my anger to jerks,
or to, uhm, educate them in how to improve their manners in traffic.
Now I just try to get them off my tail.
In heavy traffic I slow down a bit, mostly so I have more buffer zone in
front to balance the minimal buffer behind, but I also often find that the
jerk behind will notice traffic moving faster in other lanes, switch
into one of them, and pass me - which is fine, because then I can keep a
better eye on the jerk from behind, while looking ahead, rather than
from in front, while splitting my attention between ahead and the mirrors.
In traffic so heavy that there is no way for the jerk to pass,
I might pull over, as if to look for a street number or name,
(still ignoring the jerk) just to get the jerk off my tail.
If this all sounds, well, wimpy or un-Denizenly or pessimistic, or perhaps
(for any psych types) passive-aggressive, consider that I prefer to get
my adrenaline jollies from riding, rather than from yelling at jerks.
A ride can improve my whole day, while yelling at a jerk is likely (for
me) to ruin my ride or my day with my own anger.  In the worst case,
yelling at the jerk could ruin my life - since even a tiny jerk in a
cage behind me is better armed (with the cage) than I am on a bike.
On the other hand, you might try subtly arranging to be the last
vehicle to legally cross one or more intersections, leaving the jerk
waiting for cross traffic (and thus off your tail), or crossing
illegally (hopefully in front of the waiting police).
Like almost everything here, your choices and mileage will vary.
--
Denis McKeon
galway@chtm.eece.unm.edu
From: karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr)
Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this!
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In article <3102@shaman.wv.tek.com> harmons@.WV.TEK.COM (Harmon Sommer) writes:
>>>> As a new BMW owner I was thinking about signing up for the MOA, but [...]
>>>let my current membership lapse when it's up for renewal.
>>[...] hints on what will keep the organization in business that long.
>
>Become an activist: campaign for an MC insurance program; for universal
>driver/rider training before licensing. Pick a topic dear to your heart
>and get the organization to act on it. Barnacles don't move ships.
You're obviously not referring to any of the three above-quoted
individuals, because barnacles don't each send $20 to the crew of the
ship to keep it moving.
"Get the organization to act on it" is easy to say, but says little
about what one really can and should do.  What the organization
actually will do is largely determined by the president and directors,
as far as I can see.  That's what makes it so important to vote in an
election of officers.
It does strike me that the BMWMOA is a lot less politically active (in
the state and national arenas, not infighting) than other M/C
organizations.  Should we change this?  Or just join the other groups
that already are in politics?
(Incidentally, the political hazards to motorcycle riders in the US at
the moment don't compare to the problems of some other groups like gun
owners.  Just try to take up target pistol shooting in the Northeast
or California, and I bet you'll wish you only had to worry about
wearing a helmet.  (Why does every thread on rec.moto eventually come
around to guns?))
-- David Karr (karr@cs.cornell.edu)
From: kendall@adobe.com (Janice Kendall)
Subject: Looking for Women's Motorcycle Helmet
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I'm looking to buy a used motorcycle helmet.  I'm interested in a full
face shield, but not necessarily a helmet with the piece around the chin.
Please email me directly.
Janice Kendall    kendall@adobe.com    ...!{decwrl|sun}!adobe!kendall
ONWARD; THRU THE FOG!  (TM)
- Oat Willie's (TM)
From: davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS)
Subject: Re: V-max handling request
Organization: Tektronix - Colorado Data Systems, Englewood, CO
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In article <1993Apr15.222224.1@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg> ba7116326@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg writes:
>hello there
>ican anyone who has handson experience on riding the Yamaha v-max, pls kindly
>comment on its handling .
From _Cycle_World_ magazine (5/93) (who usually never says _anything_
bad about any motorcycle):
"The Max certainly has motor, but there are some things it is short of.
It is short of chassis.  It loves straight lines; aimed in one, it is
nicely stable.  But it is not overfond of corners.  Forced into one, it
protests, shaking its head, chattering its front tire, grinding its
footpegs, and generally making known its preference for straight
pavement.  Bumps?  It doesn't like them either.  Its fork isn't too bad,
though it is soft enough that it can be bottomed under hard braking.
The shocks, though which work on that short-travel, shaft-drive
swingarm, are firm to the point of harshness."
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| davet@interceptor.CDS.TEK.COM   | MRA #151    |   an Indian Scout,        |
| '88 K75S  '48 Indian Chief      | AHRMA #751  |  Or its brother the Chief.|
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From: infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante)
Subject: Ok, So I was a little hasty...
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Apparently that last post was a little hasy, since I
called around to more places and got quotes for less
than 600 and 425.  Liability only, of course.
Plus, one palced will give me C7C for my car + liab on the bike for
only 1350 total, which ain't bad at all.
So I won't go with the first place I called, that's
fer sure.
--
Andy Infante  | You can listen to what everybody says, but the fact remains   |
'71 BMW R60/5 | that you've got to get out there and do the thing yourself.   |
DoD #2426     |                             -- Joan Sutherland                |
==============| My opinions, dammit, have nothing to do with anyone else!!!   |
From: der10@cus.cam.ac.uk (David Rourke)
Subject: xs1100 timing
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Could some kind soul tell me the advance timing/revs for a 1981 xs1100 special
(bought in Canada).
thanks.
From: mlj@af3.mlb.semi.harris.com (Marvin Jaster )
Subject: FOR SALE
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I am selling my Sportster to make room for a new FLHTCU.
This scoot is in excellent condition and has never been wrecked or abused.
Always garaged.
1990 Sportster 883 Standard (blue)
factory 1200cc conversion kit
less than 8000 miles
Branch ported and polished big valve heads
Screamin Eagle carb
Screamin Eagle cam
adjustable pushrods
Harley performance mufflers
tachometer
new Metzeler tires front and rear
Progressive front fork springs
Harley King and Queen seat and sissy bar
everything chromed
O-ring chain
fork brace
oil cooler and thermostat
new Die-Hard battery
bike cover
price: $7000.00
phone: hm 407/254-1398
wk 407/724-7137
Melbourne, Florida
From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: Stolen  AARGHHHH.....
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
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In article <JPOLITO.93Apr15095753@sysgem1.encore.com> jpolito@sysgem1.encore.com (Jonathan Polito) writes:
>
>In article <1993Apr15.002222.23057@microunity.com> ericm@microunity.com (Eric Murray) writes:
>
>   Watch out.  Often when some scumbag steals the cover, that means
>   that they were or are looking to steal the bike.  In my case, I
>   had a faded cover stolen off a bmw R100RS that was stashed in an
>   apartment carport and not visible from the street.  They evidently
>   decided the beemer wasn't worth stealing, but did try the next night to
>   steal a Honda Hurricane 600 parked in the next apartment building.
>   A neighbor heard them wheeling it out and called the cops.
>
>
>I know this is just setting myself up, but this is actually one of the
>things that is really good about BMW bikes.  From all accounts I've
>heard practically no one steals BMWs. Probably it is similar for Moto
>Guzzis and other relative "exotics" since there isn't a large demand
>for parts and the bike would be much easier to track down. It seems
>that the most stolen bikes are Harleys and 600cc Jap sport bikes.
Well, I'd say you're mostly right, but for different reasons. (BTW, as of a
couple years ago, the most stolen bikes in Orange County and SF were 750
GSX's and Ninjas). Probably the biggest reason BMWs aren't ripped off is that
most people who buy BMWs will only deal with the actual BMW dealer, or mail-
order types. Most of these can have their inventory checked fairly easily
by law-enforcement types, and their mark-up is usually sufficient to keep
them honest about acquiring parts.
For Harleys and rice-rockets, you've got 2 different situations. There is a
HUGE aftermarket in Harley parts, so a bike can be parted out fairly easily.
Ditto the non-sport Japanese bikes, but the prices on the parts for these are
not as high, comparatively. For the 'rockets', anytime a bike goes down, the
plastic is usually cracked, and is expensive to replace. It's fairly easy,
then, for a disreputable shop to take a fairing from a stolen bike, slap it
on a bike in for repair, repaint it, and make a tidy profit. The other parts,
more traceable, can be used, or discarded if they are too traceable.
Mike
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From: robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson)
Subject: Passenger helmet sizing
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In article <1qk5oi$d0i@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
>In article 211353@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com, maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:
>>
>> The question for the day is re: passenger helmets, if you don't know for
>>certain who's gonna ride with you (like say you meet them at a .... church
>>meeting, yeah, that's the ticket)... What are some guidelines? Should I just
>>pick up another shoei in my size to have a backup helmet (XL), or should I
>>maybe get an inexpensive one of a smaller size to accomodate my likely
>>passenger?
>
>If your primary concern is protecting the passenger in the event of a
>crash, have him or her fitted for a helmet that is their size.  If your
>primary concern is complying with stupid helmet laws, carry a real big
>spare (you can put a big or small head in a big helmet, but not in a
>small one).
While shopping for a passenger helmet, I noticed that in many cases the
external dimensions of the helmets were the same from S through XL.  The
difference was the amount of inside padding.
My solution was to buy a large helmet, and construct a removable liner
from a sheet of .5" closed-cell foam and some satin (glued to the inside
surface).  The result is a reasonably snug fit on my smallest-headed pillion
with the liner in, and a comfortable fit on my largest-headed pillion with
the liner out.  Everyone else gets linered or not by best fit.
--
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From: tim@intrepid.gsfc.nasa.gov (Tim Seiss)
Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this!
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD USA
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Bill Ranck writes:
>As a new BMW owner I was thinking about signing up for the MOA, but
>right now it is beginning to look suspiciously like throwing money
>down a rathole.
>   When you guys sort this out let me know.
>
><--
>*******************************************************************************
>* Bill Ranck             (703) 231-9503                     Bill.Ranck@vt.edu *
>* Computing Center, Virginia Polytchnic Inst. & State Univ., Blacksburg, Va.  *
>*******************************************************************************
Ditto for me..
-Tim Seiss
'92K75S
'89KX250
From: gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Graeme Harrison)
Subject: Re: Used Bikes, East vs. West Coasts
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
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/ hpcc01:rec.motorcycles / groverc@gold.gvg.tek.com (Grover Cleveland) /  9:07 am  Apr 14, 1993 /
Shop for your bike in Sacramento - the Bay area prices are
always much higher than elsewhere in the state.
GC
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Affirmative! Check Sacramento Bee, Fresno Bee, Modesto, Stockton,
Bakersfield and other newspapers for prices of motos in the
classifieds...a large main public library ought to have a
number of out-of-town papers.
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Graeme Harrison, Hewlett-Packard Co., Communications Components Division,
350 W Trimble Rd, San Jose, CA 95131 (gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com) DoD#649
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From: lisa@alex.com (Lisa Rowlands)
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Subject: Paint jobs in the UK
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Can anyone recommend a good place for reasonably priced bike paint jobs, preferably but not essentially in the London area.
Thanks
Lisa Rowlands
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Fax: 	+44 (0)81 566 2308	LONDON
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From: davide@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Dave Edmondson)
Subject: Re: Happy Easter!
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London
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Nick Pettefar (npet@bnr.ca) wrote:
: kevinh, on the Tue, 20 Apr 1993 13:23:01 GMT wibbled:
Jonathan Quist bemoaned:
: : |> Yes, it's a minor blasphemy that U.S. companies would ?? on the likes
of A.M.,
: : |> Jaguar, or (sob) Lotus.  It's outright sacrilege for RR to have
non-British
: : |> ownership.  It's a fundamental thing
Lotus looks set for a management buyout. GM weren't happy that the Elan was
late and too pricey.  If they can write off the Elan development costs the may
be able to sell them for a sensible price.
: : I think there is a legal clause in the RR name, regardless of who owns it
: : it must be a British company/owner - i.e. BA can sell the company but not
: : the name.
: : kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch
: I don't believe that BA have anything to do with RR.  It's a seperate
: company from the RR Aero-Engine company.
It's Vickers who own Rolls Royce cars.
And yes Kevin it is posts, Morgan use a sliding pillar front suspension.
Ob Bike (at long bleeding last): When will that Pettefar bloke get a mail
address so we can bung him on the Ogri list?
dave
--
David Edmondson                 davide@dcs.qmw.ac.uk
Queen Mary & Westfield College  DoD#0777 Guzzi Le Mans 1000
"This means the end of the horse-drawn Zeppelin."
From: tcora@pica.army.mil (Tom Coradeschi)
Subject: Re: Observation re: helmets
Organization: Elect Armts Div, US Army Armt RDE Ctr, Picatinny Arsenal, NJ
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maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) wrote:
>
>  Grf. Dropped my Shoei RF-200 off the seat of my bike while trying to rock
> it onto it's centerstand, chipped the heck out of the paint on it...
Gravity. It'll never let you down, er up, er...
Lesson: Put your helmet on the ground or your head. If you put it on the
ground, it isn't gonna fall down _to_ the ground. If you put it on your
head, well...
tom coradeschi <+> tcora@pica.army.mil
"Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea -- massive,
difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind-
boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it."
--gene spafford, 1992
From: tcora@pica.army.mil (Tom Coradeschi)
Subject: Re: Live Free, but Quietly, or Die
Organization: Elect Armts Div, US Army Armt RDE Ctr, Picatinny Arsenal, NJ
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mcguire@cs.utexas.edu (Tommy Marcus McGuire) wrote:
>
> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
> >tjohnson@tazmanian.prime.com (Tod Johnson (617) 275-1800 x2317) writes:
> [...]
> >>Sure there are horns but my hand is already on the throttle. Should we
> >>get into how many feet a bike going 55mph goes in .30 seconds; or
> >>how long it would take me to push my horn button??
> [...]
> >The answer is 161.33 feet.
> [...]
>
> Try something like 24.2 feet.
>
> EdGetACalculator
Right. ROM numbers (easy to remember) 100 mph ~= 150 ft/sec.
tom coradeschi <+> tcora@pica.army.mil
"Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea -- massive,
difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind-
boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it."
--gene spafford, 1992
From: tcora@pica.army.mil (Tom Coradeschi)
Subject: Re: More MOA stuff --- like the RA
Organization: Elect Armts Div, US Army Armt RDE Ctr, Picatinny Arsenal, NJ
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In article <C5p26B.A3x@world.std.com>, artc@world.std.com (Art Campbell)
wrote:
>
> OK -- so we've got a hotly contested BMWOA election and some inept
> leadership.
>
> My question is the history of the BMW organization that lead to the
> formation of the BMWRA. Was there something going on in the OA years
> ago that precipitated the formation of two competing owner's groups?
Yep. Both were started (nominally) simultaneously. Splitsville from the
start (ie, if my sources are correct, one guy was involved in the start of
both groups. true?)
tom coradeschi <+> tcora@pica.army.mil
"Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea -- massive,
difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind-
boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it."
--gene spafford, 1992
From: cds7k@Virginia.EDU (Christopher Douglas Saady)
Subject: Re: Bikes And Contacts
Organization: University of Virginia
Lines: 5
The best thing to do is to get a full face, even if it is a
cheap brain bucket.  I didn't think a full face was important
until I took a gnarly spill and ended up sliding 20 feet on my
face.  Plus with the visor down, you also have no worries about
your contacts.
From: cds7k@Virginia.EDU (Christopher Douglas Saady)
Subject: Re: Looking for MOVIES w/ BIKES
Organization: University of Virginia
Lines: 4
There's also Billy Jack, The Wild One, Smokey and the Bandit
(Where Jerry Reed runs his truck over Motorcycle Gangs Bikes),
and a video tape documentary on the Hell's Angels I
found in a rental store once
From: mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith)
Subject: Re: Wanted: Advice for New Cylist
Organization: University of East Anglia
Lines: 9
The Angel Levine writes:
>It's exactly as dangerous as it looks.
Did you have anyone in particular in mind there Jody?
:-)
From: mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith)
Subject: Re: Countersteering, to know or not to know - what is the question?
Organization: University of East Anglia
Distribution: net
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lotto@husc4.harvard.edu (Jerry Lotto) writes:
>There has been a running thread on the need to understand
>countersteering.  I have seen a lot of opinion, but not much of it has
>any basis in fact or study.  The bottom line is:
>The understanding and ability to swerve was essentially absent among
>the accident-involved riders in the Hurt study.
>The "average rider" does not identify that countersteering alone
>provides the primary input to effect motorcycle lean by themselves,
>even after many years of practice.
I would agree entirely with these three paragraphs. But did the Hurt
study make any distinction between an *ability* to swerve and a *failure*
to swerve? In most of the accidents and near accidents that I've seen, riders
will almost always stand on the brakes as hard as they dare, simply because
the instinct to brake in the face of danger is so strong that it over-rides
everything else. Hard braking and swerving tend to be mutually exclusive
manouvres - did Hurt draw any conclusions on which one is generally preferable?
From: mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith)
Subject: Re: Looking for Women's Motorcycle Helmet
Organization: University of East Anglia
Distribution: ba
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lisa@alex.com (Lisa Rowlands) writes:
>Hi Janice
>I don't know if I'm being unduly cautious, but I wouldn't buy a used helmet, not for normal road use anyway. You never really know what's happened to them in their past life !
>Have fun,
>Lisa Rowlands
I'll second that!! I saw a list somewhere of all the stuff that it was
unwise to buy secondhand - stuff like parachutes, toilet paper, condoms
and motorcycle helmets...
Seriously though, why take the risk? You are extremely unlikely to get
a good-fitting secondhand helmet, cos life just doesn't work like that!
And as Lisa says, you never know where it's been before...
From: Wayne.Orwig@AtlantaGA.NCR.COM  (Wayne Orwig)
Subject: Re: CB750 C with flames out the exhaust!!!!---->>>
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In Article <C5quw0.Btq@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> "mikeh@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Mike Hollyman)" says:
> Hi, I have an 82 CB750 Custom that I just replaced the cylinder head gasket
> on.  Now when I put it back together again, it wouldn't idle at all.  It was
> only running on 2-3 cylinders and it would backfire and spit flames out the
> exhaust on the right side.  The exhaust is 4-2 MAC.  I bought new plugs
> today and it runs very rough and still won't idle.  I am quite sure the fine
> tune knobs on the carbs are messed up.  I checked the timing, it was fine, so
> I advanced it a little and that didn't help.
>
> I assume the carbs need to be synched.  Can I buy a kit and do this myself?
> If so, what kit is the best for the price.
>
> Any other suggestions?
>
> Thanks in advance.
> Mike Hollyman
>
It sounds like you got the cam timing off..........
From: Wayne.Orwig@AtlantaGA.NCR.COM  (Wayne Orwig)
Subject: Re: Antifreeze/coolant
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In Article <1993Apr15.193938.8569@research.nj.nec.com> "behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)" says:
> 	For those of you with motorcycles of the liquid-cooled persuasion,
> what brand of coolant do you use and why?  I am looking for aluminum-safe
> coolant, preferably phosphate-free, and preferably cheaper than $13/gallon.
> (Can you believe it:  the Kaw dealer wants $4.95 a QUART for the Official
> Blessed Holy Kawasaki Coolant!!!  No way I'm paying that usury...)
>
> Thanks,
> --
> Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
> behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
> Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC	  1991 ZX-11 - needs a name
> agree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.
>
I thought that all coolants were aluminum safe any more. But I would
like to know more since I must tear down my Kawasaki (again I must add).
From: bandy@catnip.berkeley.ca.us (Andrew Scott Beals -- KC6SSS)
Subject: Re: Your opinion and what it means to me.
Organization: The San Jose, California, Home for Perverted Hackers
Lines: 10
infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante) writes:
>Since the occurance, I've paid many
>dollars in renumerance, taken the drunk class,
>and, yes, listened to all the self-righteous
>assholes like yourself that think your SO above the
>rest of the world because you've never had your
>own little DD suaree.
"The devil made me do it!"
From: lotto@laura.harvard.edu (Jerry Lotto)
Subject: Re: Countersteering, to know or not to know - what is the question?
Organization: Chemistry Dept., Harvard University
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In-reply-to: mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk's message of Wed, 21 Apr 1993 12:30:30 GMT
>>>>> On Wed, 21 Apr 1993 12:30:30 GMT, mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) said:
Mike> lotto@husc4.harvard.edu (Jerry Lotto) writes:
Me> The understanding and ability to swerve was essentially absent among
Me> the accident-involved riders in the Hurt study.
Mike> I would agree entirely with these three paragraphs. But did the Hurt
Mike> study make any distinction between an *ability* to swerve and a *failure*
Mike> to swerve?
Yes, it was specifically the *ability* or understanding of the
technique which was absent.  We have made a lot of progress between
rider education and responsibility over the last ten-twenty years...
but I am still amazed anytime I teach an ERC how many people of many
year riding experience "discover" countersteering for cornering or
swerving.
Mike> everything else. Hard braking and swerving tend to be mutually exclusive
Mike> manouvres - did Hurt draw any conclusions on which one is generally
Mike> preferable?
The specific recommandation cited in the Hurt study was that a formal
"street strategy", like SIPDE for example, was the most important
component of any rider education curriculum.  The specific skills of
emergency braking, cornering and swerving must be taught and practiced
as well, but more significant was that 35% of rider did NOTHING
confronted with a potential accident, and another third collided or
fell over as a result of rider error.  The choice of specific maneuver
is much less significant to the outcome than early detection and
the proper execution of ANY effective countermeasure.
--
Jerry Lotto <lotto@lhasa.harvard.edu>         MSFCI, HOGSSC, BCSO, AMA, DoD #18
Chemistry Dept., Harvard Univ.  "It's my Harley, and I'll ride if I want to..."
From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar)
Subject: Re: For JOHS@dhhalden.no (3) - Last
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Pete Young, on the Tue, 20 Apr 93 08:29:21 GMT wibbled:
: Nick Pettefar (npet@bnr.ca) wrote:
: : Tsk, tsk, tsk.  Another newbie bites the dust, eh?  They'll learn.
: Newbie. Sorry to disappoint you, but as far as the Internet goes I was
: in Baghdad while you were still in your dads bag.
Is this bit funny?
: Most of the people who made this group interesting 3 or 4 years ago
: are no longer around and I only have time to make a random sweep
: once a week or so. Hence I missed most of this thread.
I'm terribly sorry.
: Based on your previous postings, apparently devoid of humour, sarcasm,
: wit, or the apparent capacity to walk and chew gum at the same time, I
: assumed you were serious. Mea culpa.
I know, I know. Subtlety is sort of, you know, subtle, isn't it.
: Still, it's nice to see that BNR are doing so well that they can afford
: to overpay some contractors to sit and read news all day.
That's foreign firms for you.
..and a touchy newbie, at that.
What's the matter, too much starch in the undies?
--
Nick (the Considerate Biker)   DoD 1069   Concise Oxford   None Gum-Chewer
M'Lud.
Nick Pettefar, Contractor@Large.  /~~~\   "Teneo tuus intervallum"
Cuurrently incarcerated at BNR,  {-O^O-}   npet@bnr.ca  '86 BMW K100RS "Kay"
Maidenhead, The United Kingdom.   \ o /    Pres. PBWASOH(UK),  BS 0002
(-
From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar)
Subject: Re: Fortune-guzzler barred from bars!
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Charles Parr, on the Tue, 20 Apr 93 21:25:10 GMT wibbled:
: In article <1993Apr19.141959.4057@bnr.ca> npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar) writes:
: >If Satan rode a bike (CB1000?) would you stop to help him?
: Of course! We riders have to stick together, you know...Besides,
: he'd stop for me.
: Satan, by the way, rides a Vincent. So does God.
: Jesus rides an RZ350, the Angels get Ariels, and the demons
: all ride Matchless 500s.
: I know, because they talk to me through the fillings in my teeth.
: Regards, Charles
: DoD0.001
: RZ350
: --
: Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of
: separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time,
: struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing
: gourd. --Unknown net.person
I think that the Vincent is the wrong sort of bike for Satan to ride.
Honda have just brought out the CB1000 (look in BIKE Magazine) which
looks so evil that Satan would not hesitate to ride it.  17-hole DMs,
Levi 501s and a black bomber jacket.  I'm not sure about the helmet,
oh, I know, one of those Darth Vader ones.  There you go.  Satan.
Anybody seen him lately?  Just a cruisin'?
God would ride a Vincent White Lightning with rightous injection.
He'd wear a one-piece leather suit with matching boots, helmet and gloves.
--
Nick (the Righteous Biker)  DoD 1069  Concise Oxford  New (non-leaky) gearbox
M'Lud.
Nick Pettefar, Contractor@Large.  /~~~\   "Teneo tuus intervallum"
Cuurrently incarcerated at BNR,  {-O^O-}   npet@bnr.ca  '86 BMW K100RS "Kay"
Maidenhead, The United Kingdom.   \ o /    Pres. PBWASOH(UK),  BS 0002
(-
From: wrs@wslack.UUCP (Bill Slack)
Subject: Re:  Shaft-drives and Wheelies
Distribution: world
Organization: W. R. Slack
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Various posts about shafties can't do wheelies:
>: > No Mike.  It is imposible due to the shaft effect.  The centripital effects
>: > of the rotating shaft counteract any tendency for the front wheel to lift
>: > off the ground
>
>Good point John...a buddy of mine told me that same thing when I had my
>BMW R80GS; I dumped the clutch at 5,000rpm (hey, ito nly revved to 7 or so) and
>you know what? He was right!
Uh, folks, the shaft doesn't have diddleysquatpoop to do with it. I can get
the front wheel off the ground on my /5, ferchrissake!
Bill
__
wrs@gozer.mv.com (Bill Slack) DoD #430
But her tears were shed in vain and her every word was lost
In the rumble of his engine and the smoke from his exhaust! Oo..o&o
From: Wayne.Orwig@AtlantaGA.NCR.COM  (Wayne Orwig)
Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies
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In Article <1r16ja$dpa@news.ysu.edu> "ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker)" says:
>
> In a previous article, xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu () says:
>
> Mike Terry asks:
>
> >Is it possible to do a "wheelie" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive?
> >
> No Mike.  It is imposible due to the shaft effect.  The centripital effects
> of the rotating shaft counteract any tendency for the front wheel to lift
> off the ground.
> --
> DoD #650<----------------------------------------------------------->DarkMan
Well my last two motorcycles have been shaft driven and they will wheelie.
The rear gear does climb the ring gear and lift the rear which gives an
odd feel, but it still wheelies.
From: asphaug@lpl.arizona.edu (Erik Asphaug x2773)
Subject: FOR SALE: 550 ZEPHYR
Summary: Tucson Area, moving to Bay Area
Organization: Lunar & Planetary Laboratory, Tucson AZ.
Lines: 24
Hi boys and girls.  I just bought a Beemer R80GS and realized abruptly that
I am a grad student.  I first sold my truck yesterday but I need to sell my
Zephyr too.
If I can sell it this month, great ... insurance and tags both run out in
a couple of weeks.  Otherwise I'll tag and insure it and see what happens.
It's a very sweet bike.  6100 miles, almost all highway (AZ-WY-CO last summer,
plus some great rides between here and the Border.  Purchased new exactly
one year ago (Apr '92), it's a '90 model.  It has a good fairing and a
luggage rack.  Red; very clean.  Perfect maintenance, no bullshit.   I'll spare
any further details other than to say (1) I want to keep it, and (2) somebody
5'7" +/- 5" will fit it like a charm.  Not a bike for big people, but not a
small bike.  Standard, upright positioning and good-looking.  Smooth power,
great brakes, good Karma.
- Erik
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| '90 Kawi 550 Zephyr               (Erik Asphaug)               |
| '86 BMW R80GS                                                  |
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From: Clarke@bdrc.bd.com (Richard Clarke)
Subject: Re: Boom! Dog attack!
Organization: Becton Dickinson Research Center R.T.P. NC USA
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>I eagerly await comment.
The ice princess next door makes a habit of flooring her cage out of the
driveway when she sees me coming. Probably only hits 25mph, or so. (I made
the mistake of waving to a neighbor. She has some sort of grudge, now.)
I was riding downhill at ~60mph on a local backroad when a brown dobie came
flashing through the brush at well over 30mph, on an intercept course with
my front wheel. The dog had started out at the top of the hill when it heard
me and still had a lead when it hit the road. The dog was approaching from
my left, and was running full tilt to get to my bike on the other side of
the road before I went by. Rover was looking back at me to calculate the
final trajectory. Too bad it didn't notice the car approaching at 50+mph
from the other direction.
I got a closeup view of the our poor canine friend's noggin careening off
the front bumper, smacking the asphalt, and getting runover by the front
tire. It managed a pretty good yelp, just before impact. (peripheral
imminent doom?) I guess the driver didn't see me or they probably would have
swerved into my lane. The squeegeed pup actually got up and headed back
home, but I haven't seen it since.
Sniff.
Sometimes Fate sees you and smiles.
-Rick
From: SHICKLEY@VM.TEMPLE.EDU
Subject: For Sale (sigh)
Organization: Temple University
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X-Newsreader: NNR/VM S_1.3.2
FOR SALE (RELUCTANTLY)
---- Classic Bike -----
1972 YAMAHA XS-2 650 TWIN
<6000 Original miles. Always stored inside. 1979 front end with
aftermarket tapered steering head bearings. Racer's supply rear
bronze swingarm bushings, Tsubaki chain, Pirrhana 1/4 fairing
with headlight cutout, one-up Carrera racing seat, superbike bars,
velo stacks on twin carbs. Also have original seat. Tank is original
cherry/white paint with no scratches, dents or dings. Needs a
new exhaust as original finally rusted through and was discarded.
I was in process of making Kenney Roberts TT replica/ cafe racer
when graduate school, marriage, child precluded further effort.
Wife would love me to unload it. It does need re-assembly, but
I think everything is there. I'll also throw in manuals, receipts,
and a collection of XS650 Society newsletters and relevant mag
articles. Great fun, CLASSIC bike with over 2K invested. Will
consider reasonable offers.
___________________________________________________________________________
Timothy J. Shickley, Ph.D.   Director, Neurourology
Departments of Urology and Anatomy/Cell Biology
Temple University School of Medicine
3400 North Broad St.
Philadelphia, PA 19140
(voice/data) 215-221-8966; (voice) 21-221-4567; (fax) 21-221-4565
INTERNET: shickley@vm.temple.edu     BITNET: shickley@templevm.bitnet
ICBM: 39 57 08N
75 09 51W
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From: nelson@seahunt.imat.com (Michael Nelson)
Subject: Re: Boom! Dog attack!
Nntp-Posting-Host: seahunt.imat.com
Organization: SeaHunt, San Francisco CA
Lines: 15
In article <9426.97.uupcb@compdyn.questor.org> ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau)  writes:
>
>Interestingly, the one thing that never happened was that the bike never
>moved off course.
Unfortunately, I am one of the "negative-impaired".  The
above sentence says (I believe), that the bike DID move
off course.  Of course.
;-)  Michael
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| Michael Nelson                                1993 CBR900RR |
| Internet: nelson@seahunt.imat.com                 Dod #0735 |
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From: ant@palm21.cray.com (Tony Jones)
Subject: Re: Cobra Locks
Lines: 18
Nntp-Posting-Host: palm21
Organization: Cray Research Inc, Eagan, MN
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Distribution: usa
Steve Bunis SE Southwest Chicago (doc@webrider.central.sun.com) wrote:
: I was posting to Alt.locksmithing about the best methods for securing
: a motorcycle.  I got several responses referring to the Cobra Lock
: (described below).  Has anyone come across a store carrying this lock
: in the Chicago area?
:
: Any other feedback from someone who has used this?
What about the new Yamaha "Cyclelok" ?
From the photo in Motorcyclist, it looks the same hardened steel as a
Kryptonite U lock, except it folds in five places.
It seems to extend out far enough to lock the rear tire to the tube of
a parking sign or similar.
Anyone had any experience with them, how easy is it to attack the lock
at the jointed sections ?
tony
From: davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS)
Subject: Re: Happy Easter!
Organization: Tektronix - Colorado Data Systems, Englewood, CO
Lines: 17
In article <1993Apr15.171757.10890@i88.isc.com> jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes:
>Rolls-Royce owned by a non-British firm?
>
>Ye Gods, that would be the end of civilization as we know it.
Why not?  Ford owns Aston-Martin and Jaguar, General Motors owns Lotus
and Vauxhall.  Rover is only owned 20% by Honda.
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| Dave Tharp                      | DoD #0751   | "You can't wear out       |
| davet@interceptor.CDS.TEK.COM   | MRA #151    |   an Indian Scout,        |
| '88 K75S  '48 Indian Chief      | AHRMA #751  |  Or its brother the Chief.|
| '75 R90S(#151) '72 TR-2B(#751)  | AMA #524737 |  They're built like rocks |
| '65 R50/2/Velorex  '57 NSU Max  |             |   to take the knocks,     |
|       1936 BMW R12              | (Compulsive | It's the Harleys that     |
| My employer has no idea.        |   Joiner)   |   give you grief."        |
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From: rwf2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ROBERT WILLIAM FUSI)
Subject: Bike advice
Organization: Lehigh University
Lines: 11
I have an '89 Kawasaki KX 80.  It is in mint condition and starts on the first
kick EVERY time.  I have outgrown the bike, and am considering selling it.  I
was told I should ask around $900.  Does that sound right or should it be
higher/lower?
Also, I am looking for a used ZX-7.  How much do I have to spend, and what
year should I look for to get a bike without paying an arm and a leg????
Thanks for the help!
Rob Fusi
rwf2@lehigh.edu
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From: irwin@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Irwin Arnstein)
Subject: Re: BMWMOA Controversy
Distribution: usa
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX
Keywords: BMWMOA Board, history of contretemps
Lines: 24
In article <1993Apr15.163043.12770@pb2esac.uucp> prahren@pb2esac.uucp (Peter Ahrens) writes:
>In article <1095@rider.UUCP> joe@rider.cactus.org writes:
>>>vech@Ra.MsState.Edu (Craig A. Vechorik) writes:
>>>...good ol boys that have been there too long.
>>
>> [...] while I agree with you that the current
>>board is garbage, voting you in would simply be trading one form of trash
>>for another...do the opponents of your selections get equal time...?
>
>Yo' Joe, why don't you post what you really think?
>
>If there are any rational BMWMOA folks left out there, may the rest of
>us please have a brief summary of the current state of affairs in your
>esteemed organization, together with an historical outline of how you
>got to the above contretemps?
>
Now you know why I am just a DOD member.  I like bikes and clubs but
the politics and other b*llsh*t is a real turn-off.
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irwin@cmptrc.lonestar.org    DoD #0826          (R75/6)
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From: nuet_ke@pts.mot.com (KEITH NUETZMAN X3153 P7625)
Subject: test
Nntp-Posting-Host: 145.4.54.110
Reply-To: nuet_ke@pts.mot.com
Organization: Paging and Wireless Data Group
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test
From: ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau)
Subject: Re: Bat-helmet.
Reply-To: ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau)
Distribution: world
Organization: Computer Dynamics-Vancouver B.C.-(604)986-9937 (604)255-9937
Lines: 49
CBD>From: Christopher Bradley Devlin <cd1i+@andrew.cmu.edu>
CBD>>but it's nothing compared to the (ahem) unique helmet
CBD>>design seen in the new Animated Series: it has a huge opening for his
CBD>>mouth, topped by the world's tiniest eyeslits above the enormous mouth
CBD>>opening. Batman's helmet probably cuts you down to about 12 degrees of
CBD>>unrestricted vision. With a helmet like this, he might just be better
CBD>>off with the leather cap/mask thingy.
CBD>C'mon, Batman doesn't need to SEE.  He's Batman.
CBD>Did you notice he only takes the bike out in the snow or rain?
So let's see what we have on the Batdude so far: He has a weird helmet.
He drags his knee in corners (thanks, Cookson, but how does he do it?
Hidden Bat-pucks?), and he only takes the bike out in the snow or rain.
Also, he lets Robin ride! I think I could have used a Bat-mom. Would
have made getting my license a lot easier!
There's a trend here: Stylish helmet, Stylish knee-dragging, rides only
in Stylish cartoon precipitation. Hmm . . . Could it be that we're
dealing with a veritable airborne mammalian poseur? Dare I say it, a
BAT-SQUID?? (huh? Bat-Squid?) It all adds up now . . .
Let's make the B-man an honorary DoD DuDe. All he needs is a DoD
sticker.
Actually, anyone have an address for Batman's current artists, both
comic book and animated series? We'll write and ask if Batman would like
to become an honorary Denizen! Yeah!
Special To The KoTL: Is there a precedent for inducting an imaginary
member with an imaginary motorcycle? Having seen the computers in the
Bat-Cave, I think we can safely assume that he also has imaginary
Internet access.
Ryan Cousinetc.|1982 Yamaha Vision XZ550 -Black Pig of Inverness|Live to Ride
KotRB          |1958 AJS 500 C/S -King Rat                      |to Work to
DoD# 0863      |I'd be a squid if I could afford the bike...    |Flame to
ryan.cousineau@compdyn.questor.org  |   Vancouver, BC, Canada   |Live . . .
* SLMR 2.1a * My (virtual) reality check just bounced.
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From: ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau)
Subject: Boom! Dog attack!
Reply-To: ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau)
Distribution: world
Organization: Computer Dynamics-Vancouver B.C.-(604)986-9937 (604)255-9937
Lines: 59
My previous posting on dog attacks must have generated some bad karma or
something. I've weathered attempted dog attacks before using the
approved method: Slow down to screw up dog's triangulation of target,
then take off and laugh at the dog, now far behind you. This time, it
didn't work because I didn't have time. Riding up the hill leading to my
house, I encountered a liver-and-white Springer Spaniel (no relation to
the Springer Softail, or the Springer Spagthorpe, a close relation to
the Spagthorpe Viking). Actually, the dog encountered me with intent to
harm.
But I digress: I was riding near the (unpainted) centerline of the
roughly 30-foot wide road, doing between forty and sixty clicks (30 mph
for the velocity-impaired). The dog shot at me from behind bushes on the
left side of the road at an impossibly high speed. I later learned he
had been accelerating from the front porch, about thirty feet away,
heading down the very gently sloped approach to the side of the road. I
saw the dog, and before you could say SIPDE, he was on me. Boom! I took
the dog in the left leg, and from the marks on the bike my leg was
driven up the side of the bike with considerable force, making permanent
marks on the plastic parts of the bike, and cracking one panel. I think
I saw the dog spin around when I looked back, but my memory of this
moment is hazy.
I next turned around, and picked the most likely looking house. The
apologetic woman explained that the dog was not seriously hurt (cut
mouth) and hoped I was not hurt either. I could feel the pain in my
shin, and expected a cool purple welt to form soon. Sadly, it has not.
So I'm left with a tender shin, and no cool battle scars!
Interestingly, the one thing that never happened was that the bike never
moved off course. The not inconsiderable impact did not push the bike
off course, nor did it cause me to put the bike out of control from some
gut reaction to the sudden impact. Delayed pain may have helped me
here, as I didn't feel a sudden sharp pain that I can remember.
What worries me about the accident is this: I don't think I could have
prevented it except by traveling much slower than I was. This is not
necessarily an unreasonable suggestion for a residential area, but I was
riding around the speed limit. I worry about what would have happened if
it had been a car instead of a dog, but I console myself with the
thought that it would take a truly insane BDI cager to whip out of a
blind driveway at 15-30 mph. For that matter, how many driveways are
long enough for a car to hit 30 mph by the end?
I eagerly await comment.
Ryan Cousinetc.|1982 Yamaha Vision XZ550 -Black Pig of Inverness|Live to Ride
KotRB          |1958 AJS 500 C/S -King Rat                      |to Work to
DoD# 0863      |I'd be a squid if I could afford the bike...    |Flame to
ryan.cousineau@compdyn.questor.org  |   Vancouver, BC, Canada   |Live . . .
* SLMR 2.1a * "He's hurt." "Dammit Jim, I'm a Doctor -- oh, right."
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From: ray@unisql.UUCP (Ray Shea)
Subject: Re: What is it with Cats and Dogs ???!
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA
Lines: 17
In article <1993Apr14.200933.15362@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> jimbes@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (james.bessette) writes:
>In article <6130328@hplsla.hp.com> kens@hplsla.hp.com (Ken Snyder) writes:
>>ps.  I also heard from a dog breeder that the chains of bicycles and
>>motorcycles produced high frequency squeaks that dogs loved to chase.
>
>Ask the breeder why they also chase BMWs also.
Squeaky BMW riders.
--
Ray Shea    		 "they wound like a very effective method."
UniSQL, Inc.		                                 --Leah
unisql!ray@cs.utexas.edu                   some days i miss d. boon real bad.
DoD #0372 : Team Twinkie : '88 Hawk GT
From: jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu (JACK ROGERS WATERS)
Subject: Re: GOT MY BIKE! (was Wanted: Advice on CB900C Purchase)
Keywords: CB900C, purchase, advice
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Lines: 33
In article <1993Apr16.142831.13635@ll.mit.edu> jburnside@ll.mit.edu (jamie w burnside) writes:
>--
>In article <1993Apr16.005131.29830@ncsu.edu>, jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu
>(JACK ROGERS WATERS) writes:
>|>>
>|>>>Being a reletively new reader, I am quite impressed with all the usefull
>|>>>info available on this newsgroup.  I would ask how to get my own DoD number,
>|>>>but I'll probably be too busy riding ;-).
>|>>
>|>>	Does this count?
>|>
>|>Yes.  He thought about it.
>|>>
>|>>$ cat dod.faq | mailx -s "HAHAHHA" jburnside@ll.mit.edu (waiting to press
>|>>							 return...)
>
>Hey, c'mon guys (and gals), I chose my words very carefully and even
>tried to get my FAQ's straight.  Don't holler BOHICA at me!
>
Around here, even mentioning the DoD without a number in your .sig
can get you soundly FAQed.  Notice, however, that I myself did
not FAQ the careful monk.  He was, after all, waiting to press return.
Jack Waters II
DoD#1919
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~ I don't fear the thief in the night.  Its the one that comes in the  ~
~ afternoon, when I'm still asleep, that I worry about.                ~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: mdennie@xerox.com (Matt Dennie)
Subject: Re: Flashing anyone?
Keywords: flashing
Organization: Xerox
In <1993Apr15.123539.2228@news.columbia.edu> rdc8@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Robert D Castro) writes:
>Hello all,
>On my bike I have hazard lights (both front and back turn signals
>flash).  Since I live in NJ and commute to NYC there are a number of
>tolls one must pay on route.  Just before arriving at a toll booth I
>switch the hazards on.  I do thisto warn other motorists that I will
>be taking longer than the 2 1/2 seconds to make the transaction.
>Taking gloves off, getting money out of coin changer/pocket, making
>transaction, putting gloves back on takes a little more time than the
>average cager takes to make the same transaction of paying the toll.
>I also notice that when I do this cagers tend to get the message and
>usually go to another booth.
>My question, is this a good/bad thing to do?
>Any others tend to do the same?
>Just curious
>o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>
>    Rob Castro     | email - rdc8@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu | Live for today
>    1983 KZ550LTD  | phone - (212) 854-7617              | For today you live!
>    DoD# NYC-1     | New York, New York, USA             |        RC (tm)
Beleive it or not:  NY state once considered eliminating tolls for motor-
cycles based simply on the fact that motos clog up toll booths.  But then
Mario realized the foolishness of trading a few hundred K $`s a year for
some relief in traffic congestion.
Too bad he won`t take that Sumpreme Court Justice job - I thought we might
be rid of him forever.
--
--Matt Dennie                              Internet: mmd.wbst207v@xerox.com
Xerox Corporation, Rochester, NY (USA)
"Reaching consensus in a group often
is confused with finding the right answer."  -- Norman Maier
From: edw@boi.hp.com (Edward Walsh)
Subject: Guzzi 850-T tires, plus fairing question
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Lines: 59
I have a question about tires for my Guzzi. It is a '75 850-T. The tires that
were on it when I just bought it are old and cracked. I do not have an
owners manual for it (yet), but the tires listed in the Haynes manual are:
Front, 3,50 H 18 ; Rear 4.10 H 18, and pressures recommended are 26 front and
33 rear. Oddly, the pressure for the same tire on the T-3 is listed at 29 psi
instead. Anyone know the reason? As I know though, the pressure I should run
at is that recommended by the manufacturer of the new tires I purchase.
The real question I have is this. The old tires that are on the bike are for
the front, a Metzler Touring Special, 4.10 H 18, and for the rear an Avon
Roadrunner 4.70 H 18, (120/90) H 18 as marked on each tire. Both are larger
than that listed in the Haynes Manual. What does the owners manual recommend,
and was it common to go up one size for this bike? Also, this will be my first
motorcycle with innertubes. Any comments on the various manufacturers inner
tube qualities?
The above sizes are inches (except for the additional mark on the current
rear tire). What is the best metric match? The local BMW dealer thought
100/90 H 18 on the front and 120/90 H 18 on the back. He also happens to be
very good at getting close to matching mail order prices.
I am thinking of going with a Metzler ME33 Laser (possibly Comp K) on the
front and ME88 on the back, both in MBS variety if possible (the longer
lasting belting system). I already use the ME33 on both the Vision and
FJ for the front, and like it, and I thought that with the shaft drive
behavior and torque from the Guzzi that the ME88 might give more predictable
back end control and sliding behavior than a ME55 might, as well as giving
much better tire milage life. Any comments?
A friend told me he thought that my bike had Boranni rims which are very
good, but are relatively soft and have delicate sidewalls. I do not wish to
mount the tires myself this first time, so aside from warning the shop to be
careful, any other comments I should make? I havn't looked at the rim to
check out the make yet, if it is marked. He just told me late yesterday and
I havn't had a chance to check the rim type.
On another note. I will remove the ugly (but in good shape....anyone want it?)
Vetter fairing, and I will run without a windscreen for a while, but eventually
I would like a simple rounded cafe' style quarter fairing for it. It could be
fork/handlebar mounted. Any suggestions? Is there such a thing as a frame
mounted quarter fairing of the cafe' style for this bike? How about lower
bars/clip-ons for it? I would like to restore the bike into a good condition
runner with a few modern updates, but while not being historically exactly
accurate still have it reflect relatively well a representation of the cafe'
style. (Yes I know to be picky, that period really predates this bike....it is
just that this bike has such potential for _that_ look.)
-----------------------------Edward Walsh----Hewlett-Packard Company-------
edw@boi.hp.com  Disk Memory Division, MS475
(208)323-2174   P.O. Box 15  Boise,Idaho 83707
89FJ1200;82XZ550RJ(Vision);75Guzzi850-T;DoD#98
-----------------------------Edward Walsh----Hewlett-Packard Company-------
edw@boi.hp.com  Disk Memory Division, MS475
(208)396-2174   P.O. Box 15  Boise,Idaho 83707
89FJ1200;82XZ550RJ(Vision);75Guzzi850-T;DoD#98
From: dwarner@sceng.ub.com (Dave Warner)
Subject: Sabbatical (and future flames)
Summary: I'm outta here
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Nntp-Posting-Host: 128.203.2.156
Organization: Ungermann-Bass SSE
So, I begin my 6 week sabbatical in about 15 minutes.  Six wonderful weeks
of riding, and no phones or email.
I won't have any way to check mail (or setup a vacation agent, no sh*t!),
though I can dial in and get newsfeed, (dont ask), so if there are any
outstanding CFC's or such things,please try my compuserve address:
72517.3356@compuserve.com
Anybody wants to do some WEEKDAY rides around the BA, send me a mail
to above or post here.
I'll be thinking about all of you stuck if front of your
terminals......"Sheeyaahhh, and monkeys might fly out of my butt..."
ride safe,
dave
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Sense AIN'T common....
Dave Warner                          Opinions unlikely to be shared
AMA 687955/HOG 0588773/DoD 870	     by my employer or anyone else
dwarner@sceng.ub.com                 _Signature on file_
dwarner@milo.ub.com                  72517.3356@compuserve.com
'93 FXSTS                            '71 T120 (Stolen)
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From: mbeaving@bnr.ca (Michael Beavington)
Subject: Re: Boom! Dog attack!
Nntp-Posting-Host: bmerh824
Reply-To: MBEAVING@BNR.CA
Organization: BNR Ottawa, DMS Software Design
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In article <Clarke.5.734991574@bdrc.bd.com>, Clarke@bdrc.bd.com (Richard Clarke) writes:
|> final trajectory. Too bad it didn't notice the car approaching at 50+mph
....
|> from the other direction.
|>
|> I got a closeup view of the our poor canine friend's noggin careening off
|> the front bumper, smacking the asphalt, and getting runover by the front
|> tire. It managed a pretty good yelp, just before impact. (peripheral
|> imminent doom?) I guess the driver didn't see me or they probably would have
|> swerved into my lane. The squeegeed pup actually got up and headed back
|> home, but I haven't seen it since.
|>
Same thing to me.  Everyday the same dog would chase my bicycle.
The owners thought it was cute.  Even after I got the moto,
the stupid dog would do the same thing.  Then one day, I was
coming home in the opposite lane...the fluff with teeth ran to
get me and played momentum sharing with a 73 Dodge pick.
The owners tried to blame me for driving down street when I did.
I lived in a wierd town.
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= The Beav |Mike Beavington|BellNorthernResearch Ottawa,Ont,Canada| Dod:9733=
= Seca 400->Seca 400->RZ350->Seca750->Suzuki550->Seca650turbo->V65Sabre     =
= (-> 1994 GTS1000 ...can't afford the '93) |  mbeaving@bnr.ca              =
= Parking spaces? We don't need no steenkin' parking spaces!                =
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From: mbeaving@bnr.ca (M Beavington)
Subject: Re: Insurance and lotsa points...
Nntp-Posting-Host: bmerh824
Reply-To: MBEAVING@BNR.CA
Organization: BNR Ottawa, DMS Software Design
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In article <13386@news.duke.edu>, infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante) writes:
|> Well, it looks like I'm F*cked for insurance.
|>
|> I had a DWI in 91 and for the beemer, as a rec.
|> vehicle, it'll cost me almost $1200 bucks to insure/year.
|>
|> Now what do I do?
|>
Go bikeless.  You drink and drive, you pay. No smiley.
Mike Beavington
mbeaving@bnr.ca
*opinions are my own and not my companies'.
From: mbeaving@bnr.ca (Michael Beavington)
Subject: Re: Ok, So I was a little hasty...
Nntp-Posting-Host: bmerh824
Reply-To: MBEAVING@BNR.CA
Organization: BNR Ottawa, DMS Software Design
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In article <13394@news.duke.edu>, infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante) writes:
|> Apparently that last post was a little hasy, since I
|> called around to more places and got quotes for less
|> than 600 and 425.  Liability only, of course.
|>
|> Plus, one palced will give me C7C for my car + liab on the bike for
|> only 1350 total, which ain't bad at all.
|>
|> So I won't go with the first place I called, that's
|> fer sure.
|>
Nevertheless, DWI is F*ckin serious.  Hope you've got some
brains now.
Mike Beavington
mbeaving@bnr.ca
* these opinions are my own and not my companies'.
From: ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant)
Subject: Re: Bikes vs. Horses (was Re: insect impac
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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Reply-To: ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant)
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In a previous article, egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) says:
>In article sda@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu, ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant) writes:
>  The only people who train for years to jump a horse 2 feet
>are equistrian posers who wear velvet tails and useless helmets.
>
Which, as it turns out, is just about everybody that's serious about
horses. What a bunch of weenie fashion nerds. And the helmets suck. I'm wearing
my Shoei mountain bike helmet - fuck em.>>>
>>	Or I'm permanently injured.
>
>Oops.  too late.
>
Nah, I can still walk unaided.
--
Go fast. Take chances.
Mike S.
From: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard)
Subject: Do Splitfires Help Spagthorpe Diesels ?
Keywords: Using Splitfire plugs for performance.
Distribution: rec.motorcycles
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX
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In article <C5JF22.DJr@news.cso.uiuc.edu> wcd82671@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (daniel warren c) writes:
>Earlier, I was reading on the net about using Splitfire plugs.  One
>guy was thinking about it and almost everybody shot him to hell.  Well,
>I saw one think that someone said about "Show me a team that used Split-
>fires...."  Well, here's some additional insight and some theories
>about splitfire plugs and how they boost us as oppossed to cages.
>
>Splitfires were originally made to burn fuel more efficiently and
>increased power for the 4x4 cages.  Well, for these guys, splitfires
>
>Now I don't know about all of this (and I'm trying to catch up with
>somebody about it now), but Splitfires should help twins more than
Splitfires work mainly by providing a more-or-less unshrouded spark to the
combustion chamber. If an engine's cylinder head design can benefit from this,
then the splitfires will yield a slight performance increase, most noticeably
in lower rpm range torque. Splitfires didn't do diddly-squat for my 1992 GMC
pickup (4.3l V6) but do give a noticeable performance boost in my 1991 Harley
Sportster 1200 and my best friend's 1986 Sportster 883. Folks I know who've
tried them in 1340 Evo motors can't tell any performance boost over plain
plugs (which is interesting since the XLH and big twin EVO combustion chambers
are pretty much the same shape, just different sizes). Two of my friends who
have shovelhead Harleys swear by the splitfires but if I had a shovelhead,
I'd dual-plug it instead since they respond well enough to dual plugs to make
the machine work and extra ignition system worth the expense (plus they look
really cool with a spark plug on each side of each head)
--
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Neal Howard   '91 XLH-1200      DoD #686      CompuTrac, Inc (Richardson, TX)
doh #0000001200   |355o33|      neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org
Std disclaimer: My opinions are mine, not CompuTrac's.
"Let us learn to dream, gentlemen, and then perhaps
we shall learn the truth." -- August Kekule' (1890)
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From: infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante)
Subject: Re: Definition of "two up"?
Distribution: usa
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>   So following that logic could you describe "Two down"
>as the transition period between "Two Up" and "coming to
>rest after a High or low side" ? Otherwise it sounds pretty
>good. :-)
>--
>Richard Pierson E06584 vnet: [908] 699-6063
Or perhaps it's referring to the wife and child sitting
in the sidecar next to the one-up on the
moto?
:)
Anyone ever heard of a game called oneup-onedown?
(it's a drinking game, for all you older folx...:)
--
Andy Infante  | You can listen to what everybody says, but the fact remains   |
'71 BMW R60/5 | that you've got to get out there and do the thing yourself.   |
DoD #2426     |                             -- Joan Sutherland                |
==============| My opinions, dammit, have nothing to do with anyone else!!!   |
From: infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante)
Subject: Re: RIM NEEDED
Keywords: Either do it, or keep you opinions to yourself.
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In article <1993Apr14.210922.20916@news.columbia.edu> twang@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Tony Wang) writes:
>In article <13177@news.duke.edu> infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew Infante)writes:
>>In article <1993Apr13.122643.3180@walter.bellcore.com> pgoudas@gomer.bellcore.com (Paul Goudas) writes:
>>>	Also, is there a law or something that requires NYC to keep it's
>>			 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>street empty of potholes greater than a certain depth?  I (rather my bike)
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>>HAHAHAHAHAAHAHHA WHAHwuhuhahuah!!!!
>>
>>That's a good one!!  Really, stop!  I can't breathe!!
>
>	Bite your tongue. Those of us who ACTUALLY RIDE in NYC on a
>daily basis could not live without those Potholes. It'll ruin the
>flavor. It's not enough just to dodge taxis, buses, pedistrians,
>bicycle messengers, and BDI's on a block by block basis. Those
>potholes always makes for that sudden randomness that makes it all so
>much fun. Besides, where else can you think of that allows you to
>constantly test your panic braking, shocks, and dirt-riding abilities
>all on city streets. You smooth asphalt canyon carvers don't know what
>you're missing.
>
>8-)........
>
I was laughing about the law part.
I've driven thru SOHO...manahattan, _I_ know what' you're talking 'bout...
:^)
Not that Durham, NC is any better...
(well, maybe a little bit anyway, but the NC DOT takes more
money from road taxes and puts it in their own pockets and
into the pockets of the guys building the large condos that
need their own roads than they do back into fixing roads, but
hey, the local paper did a report of this last summer, and
boy, am I glad I don't work for the DOT, 'cause they got SHAT
on, bigtime....wonder who lost their jobs?  ED?  Got any idea?)
--
Andy Infante  | You can listen to what everybody says, but the fact remains   |
'71 BMW R60/5 | that you've got to get out there and do the thing yourself.   |
DoD #2426     |                             -- Joan Sutherland                |
==============| My opinions, dammit, have nothing to do with anyone else!!!   |
From: wallich@NCD.COM (Ken Wallich)
Subject: Re: Aerostitch:  1- or 2-piece?
Distribution: rec
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In article <1993Apr14.144015.18175@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> na4@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
%
%   Request for opinions:
%
%   Which is better - a one-piece Aerostitch or a two-piece Aerostitch?
%
Like most everyone else, I ended up getting two different sizes for
the top and bottom.  My top is a 46L and the bottom is a 48L.  For the
bottom, the waist is far too large, but the thighs fit just right (the
46 had a better waist, but cut off the circulation in my legs, I have
large, muscular thighs, and no, I didn't use the thighmaster to get
them :-).  The jacket fits me ok in the chest, slightly snug at the
waist, and too small in the arms.  I can't imagine finding a one-piece
size that would have fit correctly, as even the 2 piece has it's
problems (strange, since my V-Pilot jacket fits great all over, and
when I tried the matching pants, they fit like a glove as well).
I can only assume the models Aero Design uses to design its suits are
in some way different from us real folks.
Also, even though it's related to convienience, you look pretty damn
wierd walking around with the tops and bottoms while running errands.
I've gotten some really suspicious looks, and sweated a lot while in a
store wearing the whole suit, since you can't fit the top and bottom
in any motorcycle storage device yet devised (except the trunk in my
sidecar rig :-).  With the two piece, I unzip the pants (I generally
leave the two pieces zipped together, primarily because the pants fall
down unless I pull the cheesy elastic belt-type band real tight),
stuff them in one of my spacious BMW saddlebags (the pants just fit),
and run errands just wearing the jacket.  Actually, if I know I'll be
running errands, I just wear my V-Pilot jacket, but that's just me...
As far as crash protection, I'd say that both suits are probably
equal.  It seems that for weather protection, if anything the 2 piece
provides a little more because of the jacket overlapping the pants by
3 inches.  The 2 piece is probably a little less comfortable around
the waist, just because of the extra layer of stuff, but maybe not.
So I'd have to vote for the two piece.  Despite the slightly odd fit,
I still find the suit the most versatile piece of riding clothing I
own.  Wouldn't go long distance without it.
Ken Wallich <wallich@ncd.com>
ken@wallich.com ~ kmw@al.org ~ [...]decwrl!vixie!amber!ken
--
Ken Wallich <wallich@ncd.com>
ken@wallich.com ~ kmw@al.org ~ [...]decwrl!vixie!amber!ken
From: cbrooks@ms.uky.edu (Clayton Brooks)
Subject: Re: Changing sprocket ratios (79 Honda CB750)
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
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karish@gondwana.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish) writes:
>That's a twin-cam, right?
Yep...I think it's the only CB750 with a 630 chain.
After 14 years, it's finally stretching into the "replace" zone.
>Honda 750s don't have the widest of power bands.
<Sigh> I know .... I know.
--
Clayton T. Brooks       _,,-^`--.   From the heart          cbrooks@ms.uky.edu
722 POT U o'Ky    .__,-'    *    \   of the blue           cbrooks@ukma.bitnet
Lex. KY 40506   _/              ,/    grass and   {rutgers,uunet}!ukma!cbrooks
606-257-6807   (__,-----------''   bourbon country    AMA NMA MAA AMS ACBL DoD
From: nrmendel@unix.amherst.edu (Nathaniel Mendell)
Subject: Re: Bike advice
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
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Ummm...did you have any bikes other than that KX80? If not, I'd suggest you
look for an '89 ZX-7, since they only have about 90 horsepower, whereas the
'90 has over 100 and might be a bit much for you...
Sincerely,
Nathaniel
ZX-10
DoD 0812
AMA
From: shz@mare.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude)
Subject: Re: Riceburner Respect
Organization: Office of 'Tude Licensing
Nntp-Posting-Host: binky
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In article <1993Apr19.013752.22843@research.nj.nec.com>, behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:
>         On a completely different tack, what was the eventual outcome of
> Babe vs. the Bad-Mouthed Biker?
I thought I posted this last year.
The women came to court with three witnesses; the two women that were in
the car and one neighbor that heard me shouting.  My lawyer didn't like
the odds since there were multiple complaints both ways and the judge had
a history of finding everyone guilty of at least something, so he convinced
us (she came without a lawyer) to drop everything.  The net result was
a $500 laywer bill for me and $35 court costs for her.
The only consolation was that she had trouble scraping together the $35
while $500 is not quite one week's beer money for me...
- Roid
From: shz@mare.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude)
Subject: Re: Riceburner Respect
Organization: Office of 'Tude Licensing
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In article <C5qqxp.IE1@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com>, hartzler@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (Jerry Hartzler - CATS) writes:
> >duck. Squids don't wave, or return waves ever, even to each
>        ^^^^^^
>     excuse me for being an ignoramus, but what are these.
edu-breaths with more riceburner than brain...
- Roid
From: ron@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ron Miller)
Subject: Re: MOTORCYCLE DETAILING TIP #18
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
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Re: Rubbing Compound....
You mean Meguire's* didn't work?
* THE DOD magic elixir of choice for plastic stuff
Ron Miller
DoD 693
Organization: Ryerson Polytechnical Institute
From: Mike Mychalkiw <ACAD8059@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca>
Subject: Re: Cobra Locks
Distribution: usa
Lines: 33
Greetings netters,
Steve writes ... <about Cobra Locks>
Well I have the mother of all locks. On Friday the 16th of April I took
possesion of a 12' Cobra Links lock, 1" diameter. This was a special order.
I weighs a lot. I had to carry it home and it was digging into my shoulder
after about two blocks.
I have currently a Kryptonite Rock Lock through the front wheel, a HD
padlock for the steering lock, a Master padlock to lock the cover to two
front spokes, and the Cobra Links through the rear swing arm and around a
post in an underground parking garage.
Next Friday the 30th I have an appointment to have an alarm installed on
me bike.
When I travel the Cobra Links and the cover and padlock stay at home.
By the way. I also removed the plastic mesh that is on the Cobra Links
and encased the lock from end to end using bicycle inner tubes (two of
them) I got the from bicycle dealer that sold me the Cobra Links. The
guys were really great and didn't mark up the price of the lock much
and the inner tubes were free.
Later.
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1992 FXSTC                            Rock 'N Roll Mike Mychalkiw
HOG                                   Ryerson Polytechnical Institute -
DoD #665 Just THIS side of HELL.      Academic Computing Information Centre
doh #0000000667 Just the OTHER side.  EMAIL : ACAD8059@RYEVM.RYERSON.CA
From: exb0405@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
Subject: extraordinary footpeg engineering
Article-I.D.: csdvax.1993Apr15.001813.3907
Organization: University of New South Wales
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Okay DoD'ers, here's a goddamn mystery for ya !
Today I was turning a 90 degree corner just like on any other day, but there
was a slight difference-  a rough spot right in my path caused the suspension
to compress in mid corner and some part of the bike hit the ground with a very
tangible "thunk".  I pulled over at first opportunity to sus out the damage.
My bike is a Kawasaki GPX250R with footpegs that are hinged and sprung such
that they fold upward and backward on contact with ground etc., and on the
lower extreme corner of each peg there is mounted a "bank-follower", or a
little stud that theoretically is the first bit to hit the ground in a
100%-banked turn.  The stud is mounted on the footpeg by a threaded bit about 7
mm long, which screws into a threaded hole in the footpeg.  Now for the
mystery.
The stud on the side of the bike that clunked when I turned was absent.  I'm
fairly sure it was there before the event.  There was no damage to the end of
the footpeg where the stud would ordinarily have been.  In fact, the thread in
the hole in the footpeg was perfectly intact, with no evidence of something
having been forcefully ripped out of it only moments previously.
Okay all you engineering types, how the f**k do you explain this ?  How can you
rip a tightly fitting steel thread out of a threaded hole (in alloy) without
damaging the thread in the hole ?  Is this some sort of hi-tech design thingo
that Kawasaki never mentioned, like that the end of the footpeg suddenly
changes phase on impact, to let the stud rip out, then changes back to a solid
?  I'm quite amazed at how this could have happened.  In the meantime, life
goes on, without a left-hand bank-follower.
Barry Manor DoD# 620 confused accidental peg-scraper
From: s851708@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU (John Edmond Auckett)
Subject: Re: Dogs vs. Bikes
Article-I.D.: escargot.1qogjaINN41f
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Dogs will chase anything that moves. I have two dogs and they love
chasing me when I ride off. They will also chase any car that passes
, running along the footpath/sidewalk at up to 60kph. They don't
seem to go after trucks though, the size difference must be a factor.
It also works in my favour though, I can exercise them quite easily
by riding 1/2 mile up the road and back a few times.
JA (s851708@minyos.rmit.oz.au)
From: lusky@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jonathan R. Lusky)
Subject: Kawasaki ZX-6 engine needed
Reply-To: lusky@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jonathan R. Lusky)
Distribution: usa
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Originator: lusky@sylvester.cc.utexas.edu
I'm looking for a 1990-91 Kawasaki ZX-6 engine.  Just the engine,
no intake, exhaust, ignition, etc.  Preferably in the central texas
area, but we haven't had much luck around here so we'll take whatever we
can get.  Please reply via mail or call (512) 471-5399 if you have one
(or more...  really need a spare).
Thanx
--
--=< Jonathan Lusky ----- lusky@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu >=--
\ "Turbos are nice, but I'd rather be blown!" /
\    89 Jeep Wrangler - 258/for sale!       /
\        79 Rx-7 - 12A/Holley 4bbl        /
\________67 Camaro RS - 350/4spd________/
From: santac@aix.rpi.edu (Christopher James Santarcangelo)
Subject: FORSALE:  1982 Yamaha Seca 650 Turbo
Keywords: forsale seca turbo
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I don't want to do this, but I need money for school.  This is
a very snappy bike.  It needs a little work and I don't have the
money for it.  Some details:
~19000 miles
Mitsubishi turbo
not asthetically beautiful, but very fast!
One of the few factory turboed bikes... not a kit!
Must see and ride to appreciate how fun this bike is!
I am asking $700 or best offer.  The bike can be seen in
Bennington, Vermont.  E-mail for more info!
Thanks,
Chris
santac@rpi.edu
From: manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes)
Subject: 1988 BMW K75S For Sale
Organization: Manes and Associates, NYC
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]
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3500 miles, black leather tank bra, tank bag, Corbin seat, Metzler 'B'
tires.  Garaged and pampered.  I can't afford to continue paying NYC garage
fees for two bikes so one of 'em has to go.
Best offer above $4500 takes it.
--
Stephen Manes					   manes@magpie.linknet.com
Manes and Associates				   New York, NY, USA  =o&>o
From: tony@morgan.demon.co.uk (Tony Kidson)
Subject: Re: Info on Sport-Cruisers
Distribution: world
Organization: The Modem Palace
Reply-To: tony@morgan.demon.co.uk
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In article <4foNhvm00WB4E5hUxB@andrew.cmu.edu> jae+@CMU.EDU writes:
>I'm looking for a sport-cruiser - factory installed fairings (
>full/half ), hard saddle bags, 750cc and above, and all that and still
>has that sporty look.
>
>I particularly like the R100RS and K75 RT or S, or any of the K series
>BMW bikes.
>
>I was wondering if there are any other comparable type bikes being
>produced by companies other than BMW.
The Honda ST1100 was designed by Honda in Germany, originally for the
European market, as competition for the BMW 'K' series.  Check it out.
Tony
+---------------+------------------------------+-------------------------+
|Tony Kidson    | ** PGP 2.2 Key by request ** |Voice +44 81 466 5127    |
|Morgan Towers, |  The Cat has had to move now |E-Mail(in order)         |
|Morgan Road,   |  as I've had to take the top |tony@morgan.demon.co.uk  |
|Bromley,       |  off of the machine.         |tny@cix.compulink.co.uk  |
|England BR1 3QE|Honda ST1100 -=<*>=- DoD# 0801|100024.301@compuserve.com|
+---------------+------------------------------+-------------------------+
From: cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Dances With Federal Rangers)
Subject: Re: Misc./buying info. needed
Organization: University of Virginia
Lines: 28
In article <1993Apr18.160449.1@hamp.hampshire.edu> jyaruss@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:
>Is there a buying guide for new/used motorcycles (that lists reliability, how
>to go about the buying process, what to look for, etc...)?
_Cycle World_ puts one out, but I'm sure it's not very objective.  Try talking
with dealers and the people that hang out there, as well as us.  We love to
give advice.
>Is there a pricing guide for new/used motorcycles (Blue Book)?
Most of the bigger banks have a blue book which includes motos -- ask for the
one with RVs in it.
>Are there any books/articles on riding cross country, motorcycle camping, etc?
Couldn't help you here.
>Is there an idiots' guide to motorcycles?
You're reading it.
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|                                                                          |
|   "the female body is a beautiful work of art, while the male body       |
|    is lumpy and hairy and should not be seen by the light of day."       |
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From: ivan@erich.triumf.ca (Ivan D. Reid)
Subject: Re: Accident report
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41
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In article <1992Jun25.132424.20760@prl.philips.nl>, mcardle@prl.philips.nl (Owen McArdle) writes...
>In article <ranck.253@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu> ranck@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) writes:
>--In article <1992Jun23.214330.18592@bcrka451.bnr.ca> whitton@bnr.ca (Mark Whitton) writes:
>--
>-->It turns out that the trailer lights were not hooked up
>-->to the truck.
>--
>--Yep, basic rule: *Never* expect or believe turn signals completely.
>--Around here, and many other places, people just don't signal at all.
>--And, sometimes the signals aren't working.  Sometimes they get left on.
>
>	The scary bit about this is the is the non-availability of rear-
>lights at all. Now living in the Netherlands I've learned that the only
>reliable indicators are those red ones which go on at both sides at once -
>some people call them brake lights. Once they light up, expect ANYTHING
>to occur in front of you :-). (It's not just the Dutch though)
>
>	However I never realised how much I relied on this until I got
>caught a few times behind someone whose lights didn't work AT ALL. Once
>I'd sussed it out it wasn't so bad (knowing it is half the battle), but
>it's a great way to find out that you've been following someone too
>closely :-). Now I try to check for lights all the time, 'cos that split
>second can make all the difference (though it shouldn't be necessary, I
>know),
>
>Owen.
What used to peeve me in Canada was the cars with bloody _red_ rear
indicators.  You'd see a single red light come on and think, "Now, is he
stopping but one brake-lamp is not working, or does he have those dumb bloody
_red_ rear indicators?"  This being Survival 101, you have to assume he's
braking and take the appropriate actions, until such time as the light goes
out and on again, after which you can be reasonably certain it's a bloody _red_
rear indicator.
Ivan Reid, Paul Scherrer Institute, CH.     			ivan@cvax.psi.ch
GSX600F, RG250WD.	SI=2.66     "You Porsche. Me pass!"	DoD #484
From: admiral@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Steve C Liu)
Subject: spring records
Organization: Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA
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Summary: Earl Weaver Commandments
The Orioles' pitching staff again is having a fine exhibition season.
Four shutouts, low team ERA, (Well, I haven't gotten any baseball news since
March 14 but anyways) Could they contend, yes. Could they win it all?  Maybe.
But for all those fans of teams with bad spring records, remember Earl
Weaver's first law of baseball (From his book on managing)
No one gives a damn in July if you lost a game in March. :)
BTW, anyone have any idea on the contenders for the O's fifth starter?
It's pretty much set that Sutcliffe, Mussina, McDonald and Rhodes are the
first four in the rotation.
Here at Johns Hopkins University where the mascot is the Blue Jay :(,
their baseball team logo was the Toronto club's logo. Now it's a
anatomically correct blue jay. God, can't they think of an original idea?
It's even in the same pose as the baltimore oriole on the O's hats.
How many people realize that the bird is really called a baltimore oriole?
__________________________________________________________________________
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Subject: Re: Eck vs Rickey (was Re: Rickey's whining again)
From: smith@ms.uky.edu (Brian Smith)
Expires: Sat, 1 May 1993 04:00:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
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In article <6998@blue.cis.pitt.edu> genetic+@pitt.edu (David M. Tate) writes:
>I've read all of the followups to this, but I thought I'd go back to the
>original article to make specific comments about the method:
>
>
>jao@megatest.com (John Oswalt) said:
>>
>>He has obtained the play by play records, in computer readable
>>form, for every major league baseball game for the past several years.
>>He devised an algorithm which I call "sum-over-situations", and wrote
>>a computer program to calculate every major league players contribution
>>using it.  It works like this:
>>
>>Look at every "situation" in every game in a baseball season.  A
>>situation is determined by inning, score, where the baserunners are,
>>and how many outs there are.  For each situation, count how many
>>times the team eventually won the game that the situation occured in,
>>and divide by the number of times the situation came up, to come up with
>>a "value" for that situation.
>
>This was first done by George Lindsey in the late '50s/early '60s, and
>reported in
>
>	Article:	An Investigation of Strategies in Baseball
>	Author:		George R. Lindsey
>	Journal:	Operations Research
>	Issue:		Volume 11 #4, July-August 1963, pp. 477-501
>
>Later, Pete Palmer did the same thing using simulated seasons to generate
>a larger set of data to avoid the kind of small-sample anomalies that other
>people have worried about.  He reported this in _The_Hidden_Game_of_Baseball_
>(with John Thorn).  Gary Skoog modified the method a bit and did some work
>on what he called a "Value Added" measure based on these situational values.
>His were based directly on marginal runs, though, not on win probabilities.
>These results, as applied to the 198? season, were reported in one of the
>Bill James Baseball Abstract books (1987?  Help me out here, somebody...)
>
>>For example, a situation might be inning 3, score 2-0, runner on second
>>and no outs.  There were 4212 regular season major league games last
>>year.  (With the Rockies and Marlins, there will be more this year.)
>>Say this situation came up in 100 of those, and the team ahead won
>>75 of them.  Then the value of this situation is 0.75.
>
>[Description of method: look at change in win probability based on the at bat
> plus any baserunning, and credit/debit the player by that amount each time
> he gets a plate appearance.]
>
>>Now, for each player, sum up all his at-bat and base-running values
>>for the season to obtain an overall value for that player.  Obviously
>>the sum of all players' values for each game, and for the season as a
>>whole, will be 0.
>
>That's only because you always credit +x to the batter and -x to the pitcher;
>there's no validation involved.
>
>OK, there's a very big problem here that nobody has yet commented on: you're
>adding *probabilities*, and probabilities don't add.  Runs you can add; the
>total team runs breaks down into how many runs Joe contributed plus how many
>runs Fred contributed, etc.  But probabilities don't work that way.  If Bob
>increases his team's chance of winning by 1% in each of 400 PAs, that does
>not mean that Bob increased his team's chance of winning by 400%.  In fact,
>it doesn't mean *anything*, because the units are screwy.
I agree and disagree.  John is saying that the batters efforts will result
in 4 more wins then losses.  While you are probably correct that 400%
does not mean 4 more wins then losses, it means something.  I would
rather have a player who increased my teams chances of winning by 1% in
each of 400 PAs then I would a player who increased my chances of winning
by .5% in each of 400 PAs.  Thus, there appears to me to be an obvious
positive association between John's statistic and winning games.  Thus,
before you disregard this stat, it appears to me that further study must
go into what sort of relationship there is.
>Consider an example:  Bob hits a 2-out solo HR in the bottom of the first;
>about .12 on your scale.  He does the same thing again in the fourth, with
>the score tied, for another .14.  And again, in the seventh, with the score
>tied, for another .22.  And, finally, in the ninth to win the game by a score
>of 7-6, for a value of 0.5.  Bob hit 4 solo HR in 4 plate appearances, and
>was credited by your method with .12 + .14 + .22 + .5 = .98.  But what does
>that mean?  Was Bob 98% responsible for the win?  Certainly not; the defense
>is *always* 50% responsible (if you include pitching in that), and Bob wasn't
>pitching.  In fact, Bob was only 4/7 of the offense (which is a lot, but not
>even close to 100%).  Furthermore, what about the other 3 team runs?  Say
>they all came on solo HR by Fred; then Fred was hitting HR to tie up the game,
>which are just as valuable as HR to take the lead (see Lindsey), and Fred will
>himself have accrued a good .4 rating or so.  So Fred and Bob combined have
>amassed 138% of a win IN ONE GAME.  There's clearly a problem here.
The only problem here is an insistance that these number mean exactly
how many wins the team has.  First, we are using averages over many
seasons and applying them to one game.  Second, remember some players
performance take away from the chance of you winning.  That is a
player who gets an out gets a "negative probability" in most cases.
Thus, I'm not sure in any given game when you add up all the numbers
for a team who won that they will add up to 1 in that game.  Sometimes,
they will add up to more then one sometime, less than one.  Also,
the pitchers' bad performances (giving up 6 runs) may have given
them a large negative percentage for that game.  Also, any batter that
pulled an 0-4 night would give large negatives.
>>Greg thinking about the right things, but his intuition is off the
>>mark.  Closers are enormously important.  The total number of runs
>>value is outweighed by when they come, or are prevented from comming.
>>The doubling which Greg allows is not enough.
>
>In another article, I proposed a test of this.  We can predict a team's
>won/lost record quite accurately by looking at how many runs *total* they
>score and allow, without regard to when those runs score in the game.  If
>late runs are really more important than early runs, then looking only at
>late runs should lead to a *better* predictor, right?
No, but really only because you have a smaller sample size.  I would
think however, that the number of runs you score in the first inning
would be just as good as a prediction as how many runs you score
in the last inning.  And, realize something else a closer usually
comes in in a close situation, not a blow out.  It is hard to argue
that any runs that a closer gives up in a game have equal importance
to those given up in the first inning.  Look, a closer giving up runs
often means a team will lose many games.  On, the other hand a starter
who gives up runs often still leaves his team a chance to win.  The
offence has many more outs to do something about.  But, I am not
saying all late inning situations are equally important either.  If
I am down 8 runs in the ninth, it really does not matter how many
runs my pitcher gives up in the ninth.
>Here's another thought experiment: apply this method to basketball.  What
>you find is that points scored in the first *half* of the game have almost
>exactly no value, because no lead is safe with an entire half yet to play.
>Furthermore, the sub in off the bench who sinks the winning free throws with
>no time on the clock gets a +1.0 for the game, while the star forward who
>scored 27 points in the first half before spraining his ankle gets a zero.
>
>Does this make sense?
No, but why would you assume that the teams probability of winning would
be 0 before the possesion in which the free throws were made.  Look,
if you are down 1 point with 5 seconds left, there is a fairly high
probability that you will win the game if you are in possesion of the
ball.  And, do not forget that somebody elses missed shots, turnovers,
fouls, bad defense, etc. caused a "negative chance" that the team
would win.
From reading all of the discussion on this statistic, I feel that those
who critisize it to a certain extent are doing so out of an agenda.
At first look this statistic valadates clutchness.  But, it really
does not.  Cluthness revolves around the idea that certain players
in crucial situation elevate their performance and others performance
goes down.  I've never seen convincing proof that this really happens.
So, if you assume there is no clutchness, then that means that except
for a lot of noice, this statistic has a positive association to
player performance.  There is a way to get rid of the noice if you
do not believe in clutchness.  Certainly, we could find out what
the average value of a home run is for example.  We may find for
instance, that a home run increases your chance of winning by 15%
on average while a strikeout decreases your chance of winning by 5%.
I bet if this were done we would find that this statistic was just
as good as other statistics we have for predicting wins and losses.
How do we evaluate relief pitchers?  Say John and Sam have the
exact same pitching statistics (runs, earned runs, K's, BB's,
etc.)  Both had exceptional numbers.  John, however only pitched
in closer situations, while Sam was a Mop up man.  Who was more
valuble to their team?  Probably John.  Who was the better
pitcher?  They were probably about the same.
Brian Smith
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Subject: Re: NO JOKE: ROCKIES HAVE ATTENDANCE RECORD!!!!
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Summary: OPCY is just too small...
Hell, the Orioles' Opening Day game could easily be the largest in history
if we had a stadium with 80,000 seats. But unfortunely the Yards (a
definitely excellent ballpark) only holds like 45,000 with 275 SRO spots.
Ticket sales for the entire year is moving fast. Bleacher seats are almost
gone for every game this year. It's a extremely likelyhood that the O's
could sell out every game this year (especially if we lead the division for
most of the year like '89).
On another front, the sale of the Orioles to anyone is likely to be
forced upon Eli Jacobs who is major debt apparently. Maybe we can get an
owner willing to spend on a proven rightfielder free agent in the winter.
Fernando has made the O's as the fifth starter. The O's pitching
staff looks pretty good. Sutcliffe, Mussina, McDonald, Rhodes, and Fernando.
Baltimore is my pick for the victors in a very competitive AL East.
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Second to last day of the season - Gregg (The True Wild Thing) Olson
uncorks a wild pitch allowing the Blue Jays to tie. Blue Jays win in the
11th and ends the Baby Birds' miracle season of '89.
From: thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Players Overpaid?
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There's a lot of whining about how much players are overpaid.  I thought
I'd put together an underpaid team that could win a pennant.  I splurged
and let four of the players earn as much as half a million dollars; the
highest-paid player is Frank Thomas, at $900K.  I cut some players, like
Kenny Lofton, Chris Hoiles, Keith Mitchell, Tim Wakefield, and a bunch
of pitchers, all of whom could have arguably made the team better at a
cost of $1 million for the lot of them.  The total team salary is
$7,781,500, averaging slightly over $300K a player.  If that's too steep,
you can dump Thomas and Bagwell, replacing them with Paul Sorrento and
a minimum wager to save a bit over a million dollars, and still have one
of the best teams in the majors.
p, Juan Guzman, 500
p, Mussina,	400
p, Castillo,    250
p, Eldred,      175
p, Rhodes,	155
p, Militello,   118
rp, Rojas,	300
rp, Beck,	250
rp, Melendez,   235
rp, Hernandez,	185
rp, Nied,	150
c, Rodriguez,	275
c, Piazza,      126
1b, Thomas,	900
1b, Bagwell,    655
2b, Knoblauch,	500
2b, Barberie,	190
3b, Gomez,	312.5
3b, Palmer,	250
ss, Listach,	350
ss, Pena,	170
lf, Gonzalez,	525
cf, Lankford,	290
rf, R.Sanders,	275
of, Plantier,	245
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From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Subject: Re: Rickey Henderson
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In article <1993Apr5.173500.26383@ra.msstate.edu> js1@Isis.MsState.Edu (Jiann-ming Su) writes:
>I say buy out Henderson's contract and let him go bag groceries.  Next
>season, you'll be able to sign him for nothing.  That goes for any bitching
>ball player.
I doubt Henderson would clear waivers.  And if he did, he would
instantly be signed for the major league minimum, with Oakland picking
up the remaining $3 million tab.
Some GMs value on-field performance too...
-Valentine
Subject: Giants Win The Pennant!!!!
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Giants Win the Pennant!!  Giants Win the Pennant !! Gi... OOOPS
I guess I'm a little early here...
See you in October...
From: thornley@milli.cs.umn.edu (David H. Thornley)
Subject: Re: Minnesota Pitching
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In article <snelson3.8.0@uwsuper.edu> snelson3@uwsuper.edu (SCOTT R. NELSON) writes:
>The rotation has changed due to a "strange" injury to Scott Erickson.  He
>developed a twinge in the stomach area and has been taken out of the
>rotation.  New rotation (to the best of my mind's knowledge) is:
>Kevin Tapani, Jim Deshais, Pat Mahomes, Willie Banks.
>
Add Mike Trombley in there somewhere, since they need five people.  Mark
Guthrie will remain in the bullpen as the long lefty.
>As to SS and 3B:
>Short will be played by Scott Leius who played short for much of his career
>before the Twins.  At third Mike Pagliarulo and Jeff Reboulet will platoon.
>
Pags and Terry Jorgenson will platoon at third, with Reboulet as the
backup infielder.  Pags looked pretty miserable yesterday for a guy who
lead the league in DA in 1991, muffing what should be routine grounders
(heck, muffing a grounder *I* would probably have gotten to).  Jorgenson
did nothing exceptional that I noticed.  Leius missed a ball I *think*
Gagne would have reached; we will certainly miss Gag's glove this season.